Lots of rain warnings

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Including amber for part of the south.

bureni Tue 20-Nov-12 22:08:23

Rain is pretty common in the U.K,nothing to worry about really.

Flooding is pretty common too.

heronsfly Tue 20-Nov-12 22:12:03

Oh no, Im fed up with wind and rain and fog, I want it to get cold and SNOW AND SNOW and SNOW grin, Then I will be unable to get to work and can spend all day on the lovely snow treads on mn.

bureni Tue 20-Nov-12 22:14:00

The Met office has given no major rain warnings for tomorrow, perhaps a little bit in the south west and Cornwall direction but no warnings at all for the rest of the U.K.

No to snow. Rain is better but definitely no to flooding.

bureni Tue 20-Nov-12 22:20:13

Hate flooding especially with a high tide since I am right on the sea with my house about 1 foot below sea level though I have not been flooded yet thankfully.

There is a pub locally that got very badly flooded in the bad rain a couple of months ago and has been closed for refurb ever since. It re-opens on 23rd. <fingers crossed>

Not just today, but tomorrow when once again the parts of the north west and western scotland are getting a warning. That area has had several bouts of heavy rain with accompanying yellow warnings recently.

There are 72 floodwarnings and alerts for the sw

Actually, the NW are just outside the warning area this time smile but poor soggy western Scotland gets another round.

Sarahbeanieslawyer Wed 21-Nov-12 07:48:11

Thank you Kitten, much appreciated as ever smile

You are welcome beanie smile

Sarahbeanieslawyer Wed 21-Nov-12 07:49:15

bureni, it depends where you live as to whether it is a cause for worry surely? Huge concern for many.

Just looked at the wind gusts for tomorrow, close to 70mph near Plymouth tomorrow afternoon and 50-60mph quite widely along the south coast. Enough to bring down some weakened trees, especially where the ground is very soggy.
Pretty wind in East Anglia and eastern coastal counties for a time too.

Worcestershire calling. Torrential rain and very dark. Horrendous school run. sad

Namechangeforapropertythread Wed 21-Nov-12 08:47:12

Oh no. I want to go to longleat Friday. Please tell me it will be ok!

GloriaSmud Wed 21-Nov-12 10:35:09

Leicestershire signing in ~ just 'orrible out there; really, really 'orrible! Weather station says it's 8.9C and we've had 14.7mm of rain in the last 24hrs. We seemed to have gained an extra couple of ponds as well in the back garden!

GloriaSmud Wed 21-Nov-12 12:08:26

Can't believe how much the temperature's dropped in the last 1 1/2hrs ~ now down to 7.1C. And we're up to 19.5mm rain!

DameMargotFountain Wed 21-Nov-12 12:13:09

think am pretty near to you then Gloria

am just dried out from the school run, and it's raining heavier now

Standing water here on all the fields. A very soggy school run <wrings out spaniel from his wee break>

Rather a sharp edge to the cold front, with some very gusty winds. Could get some thunder and lightning and possibly tornadoes, though I see torro haven't issued a watch.

GloriaSmud Wed 21-Nov-12 12:49:15

DameMargot ~ I'm not far from the M69/M1 junction so more Leicester city rather than Leicestershire!
Temperature now down to 6.5C!

Chickens ~ poor spaniel! Pets do not like extremes of weather!

Fri looks quite wet early in the morning round longleat way but hopefully will dry up before the day starts properly.

Rain has stopped now. Everywhere flooded. sad

lubeybooby Wed 21-Nov-12 13:39:43

The other Leicestershire weather nut signing in. I can confirm it is indeed 'orrible. SO dark! rain rain rain rain. Still, I prefer this to being too hot. <hides>

DameMargotFountain Wed 21-Nov-12 14:05:58

the 1st two junctions of the a14 from Catthorpe are closed due to flooding now - east and west bound

eyeing up the canoe for the school run shock

The sun is now shining. confused

GloriaSmud Wed 21-Nov-12 14:15:44

Rain might be tailing off a bit now and it looks a bit brighter looking out to the west. Current measurements ~ 6.1C and 23.1mm rain.
Some film of water coming off a railway bridge and pictures of the flooding in Scotland from the BBC website.

Updated warnings for the next few days.

DameMargotFountain Wed 21-Nov-12 14:23:31

they've closed a school due the access road flooding in town, not easing here at all

Miserable here this morning, cold, dark and wet, but it dried up by mid mornnig and has been grey the rest of the day.

No wet play! grin

drmelons Wed 21-Nov-12 14:40:02

Our house has just flooded for the second time in 2 months. Am devastated :-(

EdithWeston Wed 21-Nov-12 14:50:28

Dark and heavy rain here too. Hope it lifts a bit as it's nearly school run time.

< big hugs and emergency choccie to the flooded>

DameMargotFountain Wed 21-Nov-12 14:57:29

drmelons

is there anything we can do to help? are you ok?

drmelons Wed 21-Nov-12 15:25:15

Thanks dame, we are ok. Nothing really we can do at the moment, we will just have to wait until the water goes and then reassess.

Tissues would be good- enough to soak up the flood water please. We could really test just how thirsty those bloody thirst pockets are!

DameMargotFountain Wed 21-Nov-12 15:41:14

<passes tissues over>

hope it's not too bad for you - will make a nice brew and drink it for you too smile

drmelons. How rubbish sad I hope that the damage isnt too bad and that you have helpful insurance. Do shout up if there is anything mners can help with.

Namechangeforapropertythread Wed 21-Nov-12 16:46:48

Thanks ohyou. It opens at 11 so we might be ok? . . .

Thankyou :-)

drmelons, that's awful. I hope you get it all sorted with the insurers.

at the moment I reckon you are good to go for friday smile

I love Longleat! Watch the tigers when its very quiet - one bit our bumper of our car and left teeth marks. I was very proud cos not many people in this country drive a car that has been mauled by a tiger!

Namechangeforapropertythread Wed 21-Nov-12 16:54:52

Ooh good. Will probably be a bit quieter too if the weather's been bad.

My husband won't let me drive through so I think we're doing the bus. (well he said we could drive and not do monkeys or go on bus)There's lots of fairly recent bits in the middle too you can walk through too my daughter likes. I'm impressed you have a tiger bite!

I'm all excited again now :-)

the meerkats are very very cute!

Theres no way I'd take my car through the monkeys. I swear they are fully trained mechanics!

Namechangeforapropertythread Wed 21-Nov-12 17:38:28

You're not helping my cause! I love the monkeys. They have removed the strip of rubber from the top of the car 3times now. And a windscreen wiper blade. And a mirror part. . . . But but but!

drmelons Wed 21-Nov-12 23:13:32

Had just had the last insurance payment through, fairly ironic that it came on the day we flooded again!

updated warnings

Couple of amber areas, including much of sw England and sw Scotland. Watch out too for the very strong winds, wide spread gusts in the south 50-60mph, some coastal areas reaching 70mph. This is enough to bring down some trees in the already saturated ground.

Could get some thunder and lightning too and possibly some weak tornadoes spin up.

Drmelons - I do hope you are going to be ok today.

Going to keep this bumped as long as i can as its going to be dire for many. I don't like the fact that some of the peak winds in the south will coincide with the afternoon school run.

Ahh, just spotted TORRO convective discussion warning of the possibility for tornadoes, torrential rain gusts to 70 mph and c-g lightning for all of England and Wales.

If any of you fb, TORRO put their alerts on their fb page. Very handy!

For those of you who radar watch, keep an eye on the radar today, a sharp line demarcating rain and dry is something you should look out for, (also look out for little breaks in the line)
Unfortunately I'm going to be working til 3pm today, so I need you all to keep an eye out for me!

Radar this morning is already looking 'fierce' but as of yet still unorganised.

I have never been so relieved that DS1 is ill. blush There were tales of the coaches taking 2 hours to get home through the floods last night. I am not sure if he was able to go in I would get him back this afternoon. sad The school nearest the bus stop was closed yesterday because nobody could get to it.

And there was me saying rain fine and no to snow. hmm

LostInWales Thu 22-Nov-12 08:06:35

Signing in from the West coast of Wales. The gusts of wind are shock and confused levels already. I was actually quite tempted to keep the boys home but then I remembered that they would fight, need feeding and hog my computer so DS1 has already gone off into the wilds on his school bus!

Oops sparkling! I really would avoid travelling in the worst of this later.
By 3pm line will be roughly Bournemouth to newcastle. By 6pm the Isle of Wight to the Wash.

Ok, got to go, made myself late shock

Shinyshoes1 Thu 22-Nov-12 08:33:31

Looks like Essex misses this severe weather

Stay safe people and be cautious

GloriaSmud Thu 22-Nov-12 09:53:28

Signing in once again from Leicester where it's nice and sunny at the moment but with a gusty wind.
Raintoday.co.uk is a good site for seeing where the rain is atm.

the wind is getting up.......

LostInWales Thu 22-Nov-12 11:22:58

Jeepers, signing back in from a part of west Wales that is nearly under water. I haven't seen so much rain. Just dug out the gully at the front of the house as I'm worried the water coming down the road will come in the front garden. The little stream that occasionally floods after a lot of rain is already going over the road and that's a bit of a worry as this isn't due to stop any time soon. I am going to calm myself by making a vat of veg soup for when my boys get home.

sad Lost. I guess it's on it's way (Worcestershire here). Is it still blowing a gale too?

It's getting quite dark here......

LostInWales Thu 22-Nov-12 11:29:07

Very, very windy since first thing. I was seriously worried about letting the children go to school, there are lots of branches on the roads etc and DS1 is right out in the sticks. Just going out to check the stream as well because it floods properties and I know one of my friends is at work. I'd batten down the hatches sparkling, turn on the heating and have a cup of tea!

That where the rain is website is brill, worrying though, it looks like there's so much more to come shock

I'm in south derbyshire. A bit breezy here but dry at the moment. Are we likely to cop it, do you reckon? <eyes wet weather gear, still saturated from yesterday>

I think you are right Lost. Ds1 is home ill, and safe and doesn't have a coach journey and I don't have to drive 6 miles to fetch him from the bus stop. DS2 goes half a mile to school on his bike so he will be ok on the cycle paths later. Phew.

LostInWales Thu 22-Nov-12 11:44:35

It's a bit wet Don't know if you can see this but if you can it 's the road near my house shock and it is still pouring.

Yikes Lost. sad

Have had a notification that if Ds1 had gone to school today it is shutting an hour early to get the children home by coach before the deluge presumably. Some roads are already flooded.

DameMargotFountain Thu 22-Nov-12 12:00:13

just picked up and Environment Agency warning that homes at Billing Aquadrome are being evacuated, with around 1000 people affected, and the Nene in that area of Northants is on flood alert due to more rain being forecast for this evening.

a pretty hairy weekend ahead it seems sad

how's today for you drmelons?

GloriaSmud Thu 22-Nov-12 12:03:06

Lost ~ looking at the metoffice, it does look like Wales will have more rain and it'll last for most of the day as well sad
Here in Leicester, the wind's definitely got up and it keeps going dark but then brightens up again. Think I'm going to check everything's weighted down in the garden.

Popping in briefly! (cant keep me away!)
some signs of organisation I think on the latest radar. I think that perhaps it looks a little slower in the SW but I'm pushed for time and can't be sure.

squall line appearing off the sw coast now.

bit of a heads up for Saturday evening for the south - potential for a severe wind event. I will post more later (hopefully!)

Ok, stay safe and dry folk! Catch up with you later!

DameMargotFountain Thu 22-Nov-12 12:41:25

tyvm for the info kitten

GloriaSmud Thu 22-Nov-12 12:46:29

Have a good afternoon, OYBBK.

You can see that squall line moving in on that 'rain today' website.
Metoffice warnings for Saturday and Sunday. DD1's supposed to be going to London with a school club on Saturday, by train from Leicester station. If she even makes it down there, she's going to get drenched!

Startail Thu 22-Nov-12 12:47:17

>95% chance of heavy rain
=100% chance of having to go the long way tonight as the river was over yesterday and there are huge puddles in the fields.

Grrrr I spend enough on petrol as it is

DameMargotFountain Thu 22-Nov-12 12:57:21

it's that sort of thing we need this extra information for, isn't it, Start?

with fuel costing so much, it's hard to keep reserves in the tank 'just in case'

OneWaySystemBlues Thu 22-Nov-12 13:18:11

I'm in Leicestershire. It's very windy and my garden fence has just blown over. We had flooding on our estate yesterday too.

Startail Thu 22-Nov-12 13:32:53

I tend to have a fairly full tank as I fill it when I'm somewhere cheaper.
I live in the sort of place where you drive everywhere.

I was just annoyed yesterday, that hadn't realised it had rain so much that both back roads would be flooded.

If I had, I'd have turned the other way from my house and saved a whole lot of going round in circles.

Fields are really wet and wind thinking about blowing harder.

Will not be nice tonight

Ou

LostInWales Thu 22-Nov-12 13:59:46

Bloody hell!!!!! We have just had so much rain in the space of 5 minutes that all the drain covers popped off and the water coming down the hill was literaly a wave, went past my house and then poured down next door steps, through their cellar and out into their (now very wet) back garden. Never seen anything like it in my life. I now have sandbags on my front door shock

LostInWales Thu 22-Nov-12 14:00:48

We aren't even in an amber warning area, I hope people don't have it worse than this, you wouldn't be able to breathe outside!

TequilaMockingMagpie Thu 22-Nov-12 14:54:00

Sounds grim out there , I hope you are ok Lost , that must have been scary shock

Good gracious Lost! that's sounds rather scary! Still to arrive here, we are under the cloud edges as so to speak (I know there is a technical term and its gone!)

I'm taking a bit of a break from my work stuff, to have a look round the weather sites before I need to get on. damn real life!

Wind now very high in South Derbyshire, and the rain is lashing. Just in time for the school run. Lovely <tethers self to spaniel>

Timings seem slower than I posted earlier for those in the south - perhaps by as much as two hours, not reaching weymouth until 5pm, so those along the south coast east of there have it yet to come despite the deteriorating conditions.

still keeping an eye on Saturday nights storm but unfortunately its one of those little ones where depth and position make a massive difference to the areas that will be affected (and by how much) - but it looks to be a southern affair

I'm in the North West and It's very very windy here, I could barely open my back door earlier. Only a bit of rain so far. Hope everyone down south is ok.

lubeybooby Thu 22-Nov-12 15:24:25

Very windy here today. metal railing between mine and neighbours front yards fell down and I've rescued their bins from the road eleventy million times. Thankfully back garden with large fences is really sheltered.

SantasStrapOn Thu 22-Nov-12 15:36:33

No, I'm not in the amber, or yellow areas, and the weather is hideous. Lots of debris flying about, trees thrashing, and about 100m from me the road is flooded right across for about 8m. Right over the kerb and pavements.

Don't even want to think about what it's like in the amber areas, if it's like this in the 'nothing to worry about' bits. sad

Gales here but no very heavy rain yet. Schools closed early.

mateysmum Thu 22-Nov-12 16:17:50

I think the whole of Somerset is about to float away. It's terrible here in Taunton. The river was incredible yesterday and is set to break it's banks again tonight. There are lots of sandbags out and the police are preventing access to anywhere near the river. Yesterday the water was inches from flooding the town which hasn't happened for 50 years and there are more defences now. The wind is really getting up and it feels quite scary out there. So glad DS is home from school and we can batten down the hatches. So to the person at the top of the thread who thinks rain is nothing to worry about, come down here and bring you wellies and a mop. I might need it - I'm only 200m from the river!

It's been windy here all day, in Greater Manchester, but dry.

About 10 minutes ago it started raining heavily, and we have just had really heavy hail.

Car alarms going off in the street!

oh matey sad I'm sorry that is being so worrying for you.

I'm only measuring gusts to around 30mph at the moment, but thats not bad for a home sited anemometer. Locally we are gusting to 45mph but I think that will rise quite significantly as the squall line reaches us, which wont be for a few hours yet. This thing is moving slooowly!

manky, that sounds rather exciting!

lubey - you are doing your community service!

I don't understand the map blush

Weather is very crappy here though, lots of gales and rain (Birningham)

Chubfuddler Thu 22-Nov-12 17:30:10

Very windy here in Wiltshire. The massive beech tree I have feared for years that's on our route home has partially come down - fortunately no one hurt and the local estate forestry workers were on the scene when I left school. Had to go long way round.

River in Chippenham has burst it's banks, never known it do that.

amillionyears Thu 22-Nov-12 17:38:17

I think we have been through the worst of it.
Wish I had posted earlier on this thread.
We had a very mini landslide round our way. Would advise people to be alert.

amillionyears Thu 22-Nov-12 17:39:56

bureni, for the record I consider OYBBK's forecasts to be more accurate than the BBC Weather forecasts.

drmelons Thu 22-Nov-12 18:09:26

So far so good today. Workmen have been incredible and have our living room floor dug up (again!) already! We have been on a flood warning all day, and there was no rain so was feeling pretty good about things. Rain has just started and I can tell just by the sound of it on the windows that we will flood again tonight.

So it's back into temp accommodation for us again :-( life has been pretty full on recently even without the flood and the pull to be able to just come home and relax us strong, but I guess it is a way off yet.

It may sound a bit trite, but it's not as bad as it sounds, at the end of the day it's all just stuff. We are all fine, and are a close loving family. Its one of those things life throws at you, and the insurance company has been great so lovely shopping trips ahead!

You are brilliant drmelons - I hope you know that!

disruption across the uk
police are asking people not to travel in north wales. 5 inches of rain has fallen in some places (according to r4) and lots of wind and rain damage.

And its still not started here yet!

We're in the south west and the weather is abysmal, winds are strong and we had one hell of a lashing of rain earlier, lower parts of the town will be flooded again and no doubt the sea will be taking over the seafront roads.

I'm lucky as I'm on a hillside overlooking the sea and it looks really choppy, there's a lot of boats sheltering for safety tonight, it's really unusual for there to be so many!

RustyBear Thu 22-Nov-12 18:35:40

We travelled from Wokingham to South Devon today - had to come because it's my Dad's funeral in Plymouth tomorrow. It was wet and windy on the M4/M5 but not too bad till we got to Kingsbridge - the estuary is normally calm as a lake, today there were actual waves and the water was pouring through the bridge.

The real rain didn't hit till about 5.45, though - even my sister and BIL said it was bad, and they have lived in Thailand and Indonesia, so they know what rain is like!

Now trying to figure out how to get DS and DD down here - they were planning to come by train tomorrow morning, but the line was flooded between Taunton and Exeter this morning and I don't suppose it's got any better since!

QuiteQuiet Thu 22-Nov-12 18:38:34

Badkitten The man who gave me my house said this winter is going to be -18 in Scottishland, is this true? if yes, when please, I have to agree this rain is dire.... my DC came in resembling puddles, it's also bloody cold!

Chubfuddler Thu 22-Nov-12 18:40:28

It is lashing it down here in Wiltshire now. This is our first winter in this house and I don't know its noises yet iykwim. I keep thinking the roof is going to take off.

pinkkoala Thu 22-Nov-12 18:52:41

I am in northampton and its pretty rough here with the wind at the mo, we had bit flooding yesterday, the m1 yesterday was bad. We dont seem to of had rain tonite yet, are we due for some.

Zummerzetzider Thu 22-Nov-12 18:54:49

Another in Taunton. Its still raining, windy generally horrid. Some schools are shut through staff unable to get through the floods. Trees have come down along with at least one power line. Its grim in the SW at the moment sad
Matey fingers are crossed for you, I assume your somewhere near the weir.

Quitequiet, certainly possible but similar temps occurred in the Highland Glens in winter 2009/2010. Im afraid I dont like to attempt to get into specific forecasts in advance like that as I'd just be making it up!

chub, if its an old house it is likely to have survived worse, though I bet it sounds really scary.

RustyBear They're advising people not to travel as the line's flooded and IIRC they couldn't get enough coaches to transfer people. Maybe National Express will be running? Sorry to hear about your dad sad

pinkkoala, yes you certainly are! Maybe around 8:30ish.

I'm still waiting for mine too!

rustybear - i'm sorry to hear about your Dad.

drmelons Thu 22-Nov-12 19:02:25

Oh thank you bad kitten, what a lovely thing to say. You made me smile in the middle of a shitty day :-)

PseudoBadger Thu 22-Nov-12 19:04:26

Very windy here in London

Meglet Thu 22-Nov-12 19:07:45

The wind is so strong in North Hampshire. I'm half expecting something to come crashing down in my garden.

There is rain coming through my back door hmm not enough to worry me but I've out a towel down to soak it up. My wheelie bin is blowing around the front garden (the green empty one luckily, I don't fancy having to go out and round up all ds' dirty nappies from the blue one) and its pitch black, tried using the light on my phone to see how deep the water is out the back but no use. I live in a hollow though so in a dip which is probably why the water is collecting in my garden.

I'm sorry for your loss RustyBear

redwellybluewelly Thu 22-Nov-12 19:13:03

In central Norfolk and it is bloody windy and miserable outdoors. Have just instructed DH to get a taxi home rather than cycle

pinkkoala Thu 22-Nov-12 19:17:32

Thanks kitten, whereabouts are you, as you havent had rain yet. My dh still out, hgv driver. Who knows when he will be in. Does the wind get worse when it rains. Aint had no thunder either, any due.

I'm central southern England! The wind will probably get worse as the heavy rain arrives I think. There has been some lightning in Dumfries and Galloway - caused a powercut but I dont know whether there will be more I'm afraid - there doesnt seem to be any on live storm data

Bit concerned about Saturday nights low - some of the models are really developing it now. Look at the [[ ttp://www.weatheronline.co.uk/cgi-bin/expertcharts?LANG=en&MENU=0000000000&CONT=ukuk&MODELL=nae&MODELLTYP=1&BASE=-&VAR=pslv&HH=48&ZOOM=0&ARCHIV=0&RES=0&WMO=&PERIOD= NAE]] Unsure as to whether to start a new thread....

sugar.
NAE

Will wait until tomorrow I think and see how things pan out as the models are rather varying in their development.

I hate to be thick but I don't understand the model. Can I have a 'for dummies' explanation please blush

pepperrabbit Thu 22-Nov-12 19:32:40

meglet I'm north Hampshire too, my very precarious fence is currently listing at about 45 degrees hmm

thenightsky Thu 22-Nov-12 19:33:01

Oh wow... the heavens have opened here and it's bucketing down (North Lincolnshire)

I'm in cumbria and we've had loads of road closures cos of really bad flooding, took my partner 4 hours to do a 20 min journey to work this afternoon. We live on an island as well so the wind is horrendous.

dinosaurs - on the surface pressure chart think of those contours you can see a bit like height contours on a map - the closer they are, the more rapid the change. The contours are pressure (joining areas of equal pressure with lines) and you can see that its quite a deep storm at 988 (and I think still developing, but I could be wrong).

Where you have lots of contours close together that means its going to be very windy - wind moves from high pressure to low pressure. Because of spin the wind ends up going around a low pressure anticlockwise (and also towards the centre). (which means that you can tell where you are relative to a low pressure by the given direction of the wind, but thats not for now!)

on the precipitation charts you can see that this also could be a good rainmaker - its a pity the charts dont go beyond 48 hours! (that was a good gust of wind up to 30mph again!)

dont bother with all the other bits, they get rather complicated!

TricksyLaBOOshh Thu 22-Nov-12 19:43:54

Can anyone tell me if this has anything to do with Superstorm Sandy?

That may be a daft question, sorry!

eatyourveg Thu 22-Nov-12 19:44:12

Dry and quiet here at the moment (West Kent) I assume it'll arrive overnight

tricksy - not a daft question but no it's not. Its an active cold front being driven by a deep low to the NW. You can see it here on the surface pressure charts.

eatyourveg - I think around midnight for you.

Thank you. I'm impressed that you can understand all the data, it makes no sense at all to me. Do you do this as a job? You should!

oo 35mph now. I think that might be close to my record measurement (had the super duper weather station for just over a year. I want to watch masterchef but I also want to watch this real time on my display and they are in different rooms.
oh and a gust of 33 followed by something crashing over. I expect the real wind speeds are gusting up to 50mph but im getting all confused with all my tabs open now.

Might be my wheely bin - ought to go and check!

dinosaurs, I would love to! its my favourite thing to do and real life keeps interfering! Its just a obsession hobby.

Going to check my bin!

It was our bin. All over the road grin

I Like this weather grin

(I dont like it for others though for who its being horrible and destructive for.)

pinkkoala Thu 22-Nov-12 20:05:23

Wow you are good kitten, it is now raining in northampton, any good with lottery numbers.

alcibiades Thu 22-Nov-12 20:06:23

While I was attempting to write an explanation for you Dinosaurs, along came Kitten with something much better than I could. I think one of the problems with understanding the weather is that most of what gets presented to us is two-dimensional, just like a map of the land is. But just as the land isn't flat, neither is the weather. I kind of do a visualisation of low pressure areas as bowls, and high pressure areas as domes, which gives me some idea of the ups-and-downs of weather systems in the air above us. That is simplistic and not always helpful, but it gives me a starting point. (But please don't ask me about troughs - I'm still struggling to understand those. grin)

Here in southern Hampshire, we've just had fairly strong winds so far. That line on the rainfall radar really has been moving very slowly, but I think that by now it's not very far away from us.

There have been some amazing/worrying photos on the Daily Mail website. That newspaper might not be to everyone's liking, for all manner of reasons, but they do get lots of photos and videos sent in to them which tell the story somewhat better than the text. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2235946/Great-Western-Canal-runs-DRY-embankment-collapses-torrential-rain-fierce-winds.html Some of those photos show how damaging this weather system is, especially in areas that are already waterlogged.

TricksyLaBOOshh Thu 22-Nov-12 20:07:39

Thanks OYBK.

We are in South Somerset and its seems to be easing a bit here now. Not before the wind blew over fences and power lines, and the flooding is pretty bad too.

I see the maps the same way alci smile

yay pinkkoala! if I were good with lottery numbers Id be doing this full time!

gust to 39mph now. Waiting for local met office station to update with their highest gust.

amazing pictures!

tricksy you are now towards the back of it.

CMOTDibbler Thu 22-Nov-12 20:12:09

Lots of flooding here - the river hasn't been over so badly in our town since 2007, though they've done a lot of flood defence work since then so house should be safe.

Power lines down in nearby town, and loads of roads closed

redwellybluewelly Thu 22-Nov-12 20:13:10

ok I'm upgrading that to "bat shit crazy weather" <- just saw it of a friends FB and thought it worked well as a description.

alcibiades Thu 22-Nov-12 20:21:08

CMOT - I think that a lot of councils have done flood defence work over the last few years, which has worked well in protecting homes. But this time of year is difficult for councils because a lot of drains can get clogged up with leaves.

"Bat shit crazy weather" - that's a good description. I'm feeling a bit on edge, even though I'm not in a flood-prone area, because I can see from the nearest online weather station that the temperature has been pretty constant ever since around 10 a.m. today, which surely isn't normal for this time of year. The calm before the storm, I think.

CMOTDibbler Thu 22-Nov-12 20:25:21

The trouble for our town is that the river wraps round it, so places got directly flooded from the river (4.5 m above normal at last update). We've got wetlands established on one side to help water sink into the watermeadows, and a bank on the other to keep it in the fields, but the leisure centre may get wet again.

Flash flooding is a real issue, and prob will continue to be this winter as theres just nowhere for the rainfall to go as everything is sodden. I know the insurers are really worried about ut

redwellybluewelly Thu 22-Nov-12 20:25:28

Also - without wishing to give away my profession - the way that our landscape deals with flash floods and heavy downpours is hampered by the way in which we have over decades managed stormwater. We need to take a good hard look at ways to enable floodplains to deal with er, whats the word, floods. yup thats right.

Back to that DM link I have watched the canal bursting so many times, always wondered how the canals hold their banks but how the walkers who filmed it kept their nerve to keep filming I do not know, I would have been running like a banshee as fast as my wee legs could carry me.

It astonishes me how houses are still built in flood prone areas, with ridiculous mitigation such as 'residents should sign up to the EA flood warning system' as a planning provision!

Helenagrace Thu 22-Nov-12 20:35:34

Sorry to hear about your flood drmelons. Hope your temporary accommodation gets sorted quickly.

EA warnings for those worried and don't forget there is flood line.

RumBaaBaa Thu 22-Nov-12 20:41:46

Worst of it has passed from south east Cornwall now. Very glad because there are only two roads out of our coastal village, one goes through a river valley and is flooded out and the other is blocked by fallen trees and power lines. We seem to have power at the moment though which is a bonus.

kitten if you were my aging PILs, would you attempt to drive from Surrey to Cornwall tomorrow having never done it before? They seem quite confident but I want them to be safe...

Weather wise I wouldn't be worried other than residual flooding tomorrow looks to be a good clear up day. I'd make the most of it.

RumBaaBaa Thu 22-Nov-12 20:45:56

Oh phew, thank you

smile you are welcome!

alcibiades Thu 22-Nov-12 20:47:35

CMOT and redwelly - I agree, it is about managing the versus the weather in a much better way than in the past. Where I live, the river is at the bottom of town along a fairly narrow swath of land, where there are water meadows and channels for water mills. But from thereon up, there's a lot of up, so over a large area of land there's a heck of lot of rain that goes down the roads at quite a rate. Keeping the stormwater drains freely running is quite a headache.

There's a lot of chalk around this area, which does help in absorbing rainfall, so we're quite lucky in that respect. It's much more a problem for people on clay soils.

redwelly - Much as I appreciated the video of the canal bursting its banks, because that does show the effect of the rainfall, I did think that those people standing so close were being numpties.

alcibiades Thu 22-Nov-12 20:48:56

managing the land versus the weather - was what I meant blush

redwellybluewelly Thu 22-Nov-12 20:53:49

really about to out oneself its also about the way that the up land is managed, so to reduce the flashiness of valleys, holding water back using natural storage, reducing runoff down easy routes such as roads, rivers which should meander to reduce the energy in floodwater surges, lots of different elements which when brought together can reduce the risks. Ultimately though rivers flood, a river's natural function is to spill onto its floodplain every 1-3 years.

I do however sincerely hope that as few people are flooded as possible, and I'm genuinely sorry for those who have to deal with this type of event regularly.

Wind becoming more constant here. I'll be in bed by the time the rain arrives!

Oooooh though I could go to bed with the iPad, turn off the lights and have the curtains open and the window a bit with a baileys and a heated wheat bag.

That sounds lovely

oricella Thu 22-Nov-12 21:10:29

Just catching up on it all; been remarkably quiet up north today. I think these days flash floods can happen just about anywhere - even outside flood zones as councils have lost track of all the underground culverts and maintenance suffers from funding cuts bitter experience Our systems simply can't cope with such intense weather. Completely agree with redwellybluewelly about managing upstream, but not convinced that people are ready to hear that message just yet...

General tip to anyone - don't keep your photoalbums on the bottom shelf of your bookcase

alcibiades Thu 22-Nov-12 21:13:48

redwelly - I agree, it is about how the up land is managed. But one of the problems in my locale is the government requirement for extra housing. To avoid building a huge estate on a greenfield site, the council has permitted a lot of infill housing. There's a very long road that goes horizontally part-way up the up, which in the past had large houses on huge gardens. Infilling has meant that most of those gardens have been sold off to developers and now have hundreds of new houses. So that buffer has been lost forever. (And the greenfield site is now going to built on anyway.)

Rain has just reached us here and temperature is starting to drop.

LostInWales Thu 22-Nov-12 21:17:14

Hope everyone out there is safe and dry, or at least in their temporary accommodation (sad drmelons, please tell me that's insurance paying for a hotel not a camp bed in a village hall). It is calm and dry here, so it will be better for you lot eventually, I can't believe there could be any rain left in the sky after all of it here, weather is proper amazing grin. OYBBK I've been in and out all day watching the rain and the floods, it is totaly fascinating when it's not doing anyone harm.

OYBBK does the weather ever go East-West instead, it seems to always hit us first.

bureni Thu 22-Nov-12 21:17:56

Surely it would be in the best interests of everyone especially the insurers to try to prevent flooding rather than just accept that it is going to happen several times a year and usually in the same places, it is not rocket science to fit waterproof barriers around doors in the event of a bad weather warning as I do, I simply slot in a sheet of white plastic 1 metre high into fitted watertight slots at each side of the doors I wonder why insurance companies do not provided these simple devices in the usual high risk areas and save everyone a lot less hassle and money.

LadyStark Thu 22-Nov-12 21:24:17

I'm in Surrey and it is very windy and just starting to rain. Glad I'm inside!

Lostinwales - sometimes! But you are right the prevailing winds are from the west.

Bureni, things like that could help with well designed houses. We have suspended timber floors and have had issues with our air bricks being a source of water ingress, so I do sand bag them when I'm concerned (use carrier bags and play sand-works well enough. Of course you need to make sure that people can get out, and I expect legislation is careful to protect elderly and disabled people as they could struggle with your system. However, we do need to find more intelligent solutions to help if we are going to insist on building in flood prone areas.

Oricella, agree with you.

nemno Thu 22-Nov-12 21:35:58

OYbbK I really enjoy your weather enthusiasm, I like a good bit of weather too smile .

We flooded in 2003. We had sealed our doors etc beautifully, not a drop came in that way. It came in through the concrete floor. We subsequently found out that it depends on the geology of the area. With us it was not the river spilling over it was the ground water level rising beneath us.

Everyone who has/is facing floods I really feel for you.

thekidsrule Thu 22-Nov-12 21:42:52

kitten

did you say there was maybe a storm in the south of the UK over the weekend??

sorry if im diverting from todays weather

Crickey nemno, I guess once the water table is saturated it can just come up.

Thekidsrule, yes and it may not turn out to be much or it may turn out to be really nasty. Whenever I see storms coming up from that direction I dread the uncertainty! It doesn't take much at all to alter the impact and so often it feels like crying wolf, but sometimes they do deliver and some of the models show that.

LostInWales Thu 22-Nov-12 22:05:48

I spent 5 minutes trying to move a big bag of builders sand so that the water could go down a drain not into my neighbours property until I realised there was water running out of the drain into my neighbours as well as the stuff coming down the hill. I think the water table here is about 1mm below ground level. I am not even going to look at the natural spring in our cellar. Still, coming up through the concrete is pretty special.

thekidsrule Thu 22-Nov-12 22:10:55

thanks kitten im about 2 miles from the coast and about as farsouth as you can get

will watch weather with interest

love this section on mn and you do a fab job with all the info thanks

I would say that your ground is pretty much full up lost!

Thank you thekidsrule smile

I have heavy rain. Not yet torrential and gusting wind and i am tucked up in my warm bed with a baileys. <bliss>

LostInWales Thu 22-Nov-12 22:22:33

Oh bed, baileys and listening to bad weather, my perfect evening grin

I finished my baileys shock and the squall line is here. As we have new fences and new guttering installed I can relax and enjoy it tries to forget a out leaking garage

It's ever so rainy out there!

LostInWales Thu 22-Nov-12 22:33:42

I'm almost sad it's dark for you OYBBK you can't see how little you can see, IYSWIM wink <tucks OYBBK in and gets her another Baileys>

Even rainier now!

Well I hope that everyone manages a peaceful night with out too much disturbance. Back tomorrow with an update on Saturday nights potential.

Awwwwww Lost, I feel all cosy! It is quite sad that after all of this I only get to hear it and I need my sleep at the moment. Gnight!

gallicgirl Thu 22-Nov-12 22:47:01

It's getting VERY windy in Essex but no main as yet. Hope everyone has a safe night.

thekidsrule Thu 22-Nov-12 22:56:26

mark my place for tomorrow

Startail Fri 23-Nov-12 00:30:33

I think it's stopped at last, Herefordshire/ Worcester boarder was vile, back roads underwater, main roads nearly under water, just yuck.

Morning all. I am up stressing about whether I can get DS1 to the bus and whether the bus can get him to school.

Council website is still showing yesterday's info re weather, road closures and school buses. hmm

LostInWales Fri 23-Nov-12 07:45:14

Morning, I hope everyone got through the night safe and dry.

thats not very helpful of them Sparkling!

Very briefly as I need to leave early this morning. UKMO has what to me looks like slightly worrying developments for tomorrow nights storm. It really develops it quite quickly and although the worst of the winds look to be perhaps towards northern France, thats only at a quick glance of my inexpert eyes. The low travels from the SW across southern England and out through the Wash. lots of rain and wind if this comes off.

GFS hardly develops the storm!

Other models are mixed too. So, still no clear answers!

met office warnings covering all of England and Wales, watch out for refinement and perhaps some ambers going up later.

back this evening. Have a good day!

LostInWales Fri 23-Nov-12 07:53:41

Well, from a lovely clear sky it is now hailing, dark and even the pre teen is acquiescing to wearing his coat shock.

Helenagrace Fri 23-Nov-12 08:07:12

lostinwales pre-teens wearing coats is a most worrying sign!!!

OYBBK can I ask how you learnt all this amazing stuff? You're so good at this. Did you do a course or are you self-taught? I lurk on your threads all the time!

RumBaaBaa Fri 23-Nov-12 09:24:04

It is a dreamy, hazy, sunny morning here on the coast in South East Cornwall. There are swathes of wispy mackerel-ish looking sky and the sea is a deep steely colour. It most certainly looks like the calm between two storms.

Off for a quick run on the beach then out to stock up on wine and food before the next storm comes in. It will probably hit us first, so I can update when it's here tomorrow if you like.

RumBaaBaa Fri 23-Nov-12 09:24:53

sky should read cloud! Mackerel-ish looking cloud.

alcibiades Fri 23-Nov-12 10:36:38

In southern Hampshire we've got mackeral-ish looking cloud as well, moving east to west, so presumably I'm seeing now what you saw earlier on, RumBaaBaa. Yes, please, update us when the next system comes along.

Apparently we got 19mm of rain overnight. No trees down as far as I know, but that was probably because most of the leaves had already dropped.

The Met Office surface pressure charts are useful to look at, to get some idea of upcoming weather systems. I prefer the old version:
www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/surface_pressure.html
because I find that easier to interpret than the new version:
www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/surface-pressure/.

Startail Fri 23-Nov-12 12:54:17

Sun, blue sky and sungrin

Been out and haven't had to turn back or splash through floods. A few wet edges and a broken drain, but generally bliss after the last two nights.

Rain again Sat-Sun and standing water in the fields and high river levels, so I'm not expecting it to remain pleasant.

Startail Fri 23-Nov-12 13:00:15

DD2 has taken her proper raincoathmm
It must have been wet.

mateysmum Fri 23-Nov-12 13:56:50

Hi Zumerzetzider. Sorry to only have just seen your message. Yes I'm near the weir, but hopefully far enough and high enough that we'll be OK. I went out on Staplegrove Rd last night clearing leaves from the drains as the bow waves were ridiculous. Then the flood cleared in no time. Longrun Meadow was pretty interesting this morning.

Helenagrace Fri 23-Nov-12 14:37:06

Beautiful day here in the north west. Three days of yellow weather warnings to follow though.

We're moving to Sussex a week on Monday. I really hope it's going to be drier than here!!

rumbaa, that will be superb!

amber warnings out I'm afraid for tomorrows rain wind warnings for some too over Sat night. I'll have a look at the models properly in a bit to see if they are converging on a solution.

Helena - a bit of a mixture grin I've done the basic OU 'understanding the weather course' highly recommended! and MetEd have a fab collection of courses (though they use US weather for all the examples]]. I go to lectures too and lurk around weather forums

There is still modelling difference with tomorrow nights storm with UKMO taking the storm further north and deeper than GFS. I think at this range I would go with the UKMO model and prepare!

In any case, a lot more rain to come I'm afraid and with it arriving on saturated ground further flooding is highly likely. If UKMO is correct then the South East corner could also expect some disruption due to falling trees.

ambercat Fri 23-Nov-12 17:48:45

I walked the dog on longrun this morning mateysmum he had a whale of a time, I got soggy cold feet as the water went over the top of my wellys!

NAE model is still developing the low and shows significant gales in the early hours of Sunday for the SE and perhaps East Anglia too.

Oh no sad my mum is heading to us from London tomorrow and back home Sunday sad, I really hope it's not going to be as bad as they're forecasting.

LostInWales Fri 23-Nov-12 19:29:21

OYBBK, if the forecasters knew how much rain was going to fall yesterday on west Wales do you think they would have issued us an amber warning instead? I'm trying to decide between taking the boys to cycle club up the coast and staying safe and defending my house against more floods.

I didn't realise OU did a weather course as well. At this rate I've got about the next decades study sorted out grin

MooncupGoddess Fri 23-Nov-12 19:32:26

I am going to Reclaim the Night in London tomorrow evening - lots of marching, singing, etc. London had a yellow warning for tomorrow earlier, but is now out of the zone - will it still be seriously wet, though, do you think?

Lost, yes, I think that the rain you received more than warranted an amber warning.

Mooncup, yes, it will be seriously wet!

MooncupGoddess Fri 23-Nov-12 20:26:12

Thanks OYBBK - I will take my hip flask!

Christmas lights switch in in our town tomorrow. It will be a washout by the looks of it. The pub that got flooded last time was due to reopen tonight but has put a message on their website 'Closed until Further Notice'. How crap. sad

CanIHaveAPetGiraffePlease Fri 23-Nov-12 20:41:53

Longleat. Lovely today thankyou :-)

That's great giraffe smile

Sparkling - those poor pub owners sad

I know OYBBK they were taking bookings for Christmas and everything. sad Lovely little country pub in the middle of nowhere. The owners must be beside themselves.

redwellybluewelly Fri 23-Nov-12 22:08:16

Oh I hope the rail networks are not affected on Sunday, DH leaves for a very important meeting <- his emphasis not mine and I can't imagine the fallout if hos train is messed up, bad enough already on a Sunday.

Weather has been very cold here today but beautiful skies. I never knew the weather site was here on mn!

Watching on the news about the flooding in Devon.

You've missed all the snow threads here in the past redwelly? It gets very lively in here then!

Latest run of GFS is coming into line with UKMO, so I'm afraid tomorrow nights storm is looking increasingly likely to be nasty wind wise. Still lots of rain forecast for the next 48 hours.
Am off to bed, will catch up when I can tomorrow. Worth keeping an eye on met office warnings, in case the warnings change. (I think they are under doing the rain for some)

upgraded warnings from the met office. Amber for a lot of the west due to heavy rainfall falling onto already saturated ground.

Take care those travelling in that area today, don't forget to check your local travel conditions.

shock just saw the met office forecast for wind along the SE coast-78mph!
Going to start a new thread to catch people there.

thread about the severe gales sadly not got time to look closely at specifics, off out for the morning <groan>
Lots of keen weather watchers on this thread. Please can you keep the other thread bumped while I'm away. It's properly nasty.

Of course before then there's the whole flooding thing for the West Country and parts of Wales. sad

RumBaaBaa Sat 24-Nov-12 07:41:22

Thanks for the updates kitten. Just waking up in SE Cornwall. All quiet. Looking out to sea I reckon we could have wind and rain starting late morning. Will update later.

Still loads of run off coming down from the fields so when the rain starts I expect there will be quite a bit of flooding.

Thank you OYbbK. It's raining here in south Devon, but it feels very still out. DH is working today so he'll probably be knee-deep in water for most of it. At least the wind isn't looking too bad here thankfully.

Logged in on phone. Dh driving. Very bumpy! Just went past a sand bagged property. Very sobering as they must be dreading this.

And its tipping down already even though its foggy.

HappyTurquoise Sat 24-Nov-12 09:14:49
HappyTurquoise Sat 24-Nov-12 09:16:05

If you need someone else to put in a town/postcode for you because you're on a phone, please post.

RumBaaBaa Sat 24-Nov-12 09:42:15

About to head out for a run on the beach so will survey the horizon and report back. Very grey out but no wind or rain here in SE Cornwall. Also very mild.

RumBaaBaa Sat 24-Nov-12 11:07:25

Rainy! Not really windy yet. Grey...

Very wet on south coast. Back in bumpy car. Roads flooding, pedestrians brains clearly going soggy as they keep hurtling themselves under the car.... Or at least trying to. Dh got cross.

Been dry, cold and grey here today.

A non weather day really.

Hope everyone further south and west stays safe tonight.

Thanks for doing that turquoise!

If you are having trouble viewing the met office warnings met office old style warnings work Much better.

Storm track and depth is still uncertain!!!! Different models go for different solutions still!

After this storm, we unfortunately have another low arriving Sunday night/Monday sad wind not an issue, rain def an issue. Again. Sorry all.

I have been out. It is horrible. sad heavy rain, really dark. was glad to get home.

Startail Sat 24-Nov-12 16:45:59

South West Midlands is only fit for ducks,

I have been to see the Christmas lights switched on in town. Grim, with a very wet fair and it's pouring down still. sad

CMOTDibbler Sat 24-Nov-12 17:16:28

Def Startail - it started raining again at 11, and has just got heavier and heavier. Big diversions for us as both the bridge over the Avon in our town, and the next are closed due to flooding. In several places roads will be flooded if the rivers get much higher.

DH got the 4 week flood risk models today - not looking good sad

sad CMOT. They shut the high school early on Thursday to get everyone home. I am now worrying about what next few weeks will bring.

What I'd give to see those CMOT! Very worrying though, I agree. Sparkling, I really feel for those who put so much effort into an event like that and then the poxy weather just ruins it.

Yes OYBBK soggy Father Christmas on his sleigh with an umbrella isn't really the same. sad

sad sparkling.

Have updated the wind warning thread

drmelons Sat 24-Nov-12 19:21:57

A flood free day so far for us, apparently it's going to get bad in the early hours so who knows!!

We have now been flooded 3 times in the last couple of months, to be honest if it floods again tonight it can make no difference!! The anticipation of it happening the first time was the worst bit!

There was some discussion about floodboard defences earlier up the thread. We had these, provided by the EA, and they were an utter waste of time. The water just came round the sides and underneath. Second time we flooded the water breeched them again, but this time it was coming up through the floor as the water table was so high anyway. There were over 30 properties near us which flooded, all of which had the supposed floodboard protection. What really stunk was the letter we received from the EA about a week after the first flood saying that they had every confidence in the boards and that where they failed it was due to poor maintenance or having been improperly fitted. They completely ignored the fact that they failed for absolutely everybody!!! It still makes me so cross, an admission that they didn't work and plan of action would have been so much better to hear. We now feel that even the EA aren't here to help!

Ok so rant over! Someone also asked earlier about where we are now- well we are warm and cosy in a holiday chalet. It's not perfect and it's certainly not home but we have everything we need and are safe.

To all those worrying about themselves and property tonight (and over the next few days :-( ) I hope all will be well, please keep safe. One poor man was killed in our village, which puts all else into perspective.

Wet on south Devon but not very windy yet, is it going to miss us?

That's very sad DrMelons sad awful too that the EA refuse to accept that their so called help was no help at all.

Saintlyjimjams, it will get pretty blowy later on tonight.

An awful lot of rain on the radar for the SW and Wales showing for the next few hours.

alcibiades Sat 24-Nov-12 20:22:58

DrMelons, you really have had a bad time lately. But it does illustrate that although we rarely get very severe weather, we do get repeats of severe weather systems that often just hit the same places over and over again.

It's good that you're somewhere safe and warm, but the attitude of the EA isn't at all helpful. I wonder what the insurance companies will say about that.

You can see the 3 day flood risk map here only issue is, I don't speak Welsh!!!

alcibiades Sat 24-Nov-12 20:32:22

Via Google Translate:

"The continuous heavy rain, which is ready for much of Wales, southern and central England, will continue to move northeast overnight and into Sunday morning, but cleared of north-east England later morning Sunday. Very strong winds are expected to accompany the rain, and can increase the risk of flooding. Another area expected to spread heavy rain across Wales and western and northern England later on Sunday and during Monday. With heavy rain falling on saturated ground, and river levels continue to be high, there will be further disruption is likely. A significant impairment, as further interventions to travel and flooding affecting property and parts of communities, are possible in each county shaded yellow on the map below. A MEDIUM risk of flooding in the counties shaded amber and LOW risk of flooding in the counties highlighted in yellow."

Thank you alci smile
I wonder how their coloured in counties is decided because I know for a fact there are rivers in some of the green counties that are on flood alert.

alcibiades Sat 24-Nov-12 20:51:36

I have no idea, Kitten. But I wonder if there's a difference between rivers that are on high alert but have a means of safely transferring the extra water, and rivers where there's nowhere for the water to go. The river local to me is the Itchen, and although the river is running high and there might be some localised flooding in a few areas, most of the increase should just end up in the Itchen Navigation and thereon into the Solent.

Perhaps..... Would be nice if they would make it clear.

Oh we have musical drips in both front bedrooms now (and a lot of buckets - new roof can't come fast enough.... )

Nightmare!!

LadyStark Sat 24-Nov-12 22:11:24

How is Eastbourne way looking OYBBK? Have a holiday home nearby and will check in with neighbours in the morning if it looks bad.

RumBaaBaa Sat 24-Nov-12 22:11:40

Polperro is now on severe flood alert, with danger to life. Only a few miles down the coast from us. Thinking of everyone there. Cornwall Council advising nobody goes out. It's still very very rainy here and the winds are now gusting furiously. Off to bed in a minute. Stay safe everyone x

Wind picking up a bit here in south devon as well. We face out to sea - can see it from the window although about a mile away (we're on a hill) - so we tend to feel the wind as it picks up.

Cornwall looks dreadful.

RumBaaBaa Sat 24-Nov-12 22:18:26

Cornwall is struggling. Just heard another village a few miles further down the peninsula, Millbrook, has been evacuated. The low lying villages are having a really bad time. We are on a hill too so we are safe but get very buffeted by the wind!

ChippingInLovesAutumn Sat 24-Nov-12 22:19:15

I went to our local 'lights and carols' this afternoon - I took my umbrella, I should have taken a row boat grin

Sorry to hear about those of you who have been affected by the downpours & of course, very sorry to hear about the man who died sad

My friend has hardly slept and has worried endlessly since this bout of rain started. They were flooded a few years ago and their insurance has sky rocketed, she fears that if they flood again they wont be able to sell their house or afford the insurance premiums sad

drmelons - I hope you get back into your home soon.

Chanatan Sat 24-Nov-12 22:22:20

Just posted on the other thread,we are now cut off,only access road is impassable by car or our medium size 4wd,and ds has to be at work at 7 am tomorrow so hopefully bil,s landrover will get through,if not he has a 4 mile walk.

Eastbourne looks pretty windy but cos the wind is coming from the SW it looks to be sheltered from the worst of it.

Crumbs chanatan I don't envy your ds. Is there a safe route through for him walking?

RumBaaBaa Sat 24-Nov-12 22:25:49

We are now cut off too. River flooded on one side of the village, roads impassable with falling trees on the other!

Chanatan Sat 24-Nov-12 22:30:28

OhYouBadBadKitten,thanks for your concern ,yes there is a safe way,we live near a dual carraigeway,if he uses the footbridge over that,he is on pavements all the way but it will be a slog for him,the perils of living semi rural,however we have borrowed the landrover off bil tonight(he has a farm next door),he reckons that should go through unless the water is deep enough to come over the exhaust pipe,so here,s hoping.

Blimey rumbaa, do we need to send in an mn rescue team to you?

3 severe flood warnings out

updated warnings wind warnings now cover almost all of the south and east Anglia. That's an upgrade.

ChippingInLovesAutumn Sat 24-Nov-12 22:49:04

Chanatan - can he not just call work and say he can't make it? He might get there and not be able to get home again - is it really worth it?

RumBaaBaa - I'll be thinking of them all sad

Apologies to all you flooded people for moaning about soggy Santa earlier. sad

RumBaaBaa Sat 24-Nov-12 22:53:50

We are tucked up in bed and safe. Our village is in no danger of flooding but it would be interesting if you needed to leave in a hurry. There is now no road access so it would be air ambulance only. I am a bit nervous because my youngest has seizures which mean we are in hospital a lot, otherwise I don't think I would be bothered. Thinking of the low lying villages near us though. Millbrook has 5ft of water.

Rain has just cleared, after 15hours straight of torrential rain which I guess is now moving up country. Wind picking up a bit more now.

Startail Sat 24-Nov-12 23:03:32

Hoping DSIL isn't working, she's in Cornwall and her house will be fine, but work may not be. Record levels being reported for the river Hayle.

Can't ring if she isn't on call she'll be asleep.

East Anglia is now included in the severe weather warnings for gales, with a comment that it may be worst affected. You can see why t15

DH managed to write off the car. sad
He drove through a puddle, went a bit further, saw an impassable flood, turned around and drove back through what had been a puddle 10 minutes earlier. It wasn't and the car is now dead and gone.

He was safe and Green Flag came out quickly, he waded through the flood and sat on a stile until they got there. It was quite shocking how quickly the water rose up.

Thanks as always to OYBBK for this thread thanks

TheMysteryCat Sat 24-Nov-12 23:10:43

I'm atop a big hill on the far sw coast and the storm is insane!

No chance of flooding, but bins flying down the road and the noise is incredible.

How it passes soon

Oh norks sad I'm glad your dh was safe though, that's the important thing.

TMC, Tis so odd, here it is still dead calm....... It's what I expect but it's not many hours now til it hits here (shouldn't be too bad here). It sounds like it has quite a high mean speed, is the wind quite continuous?

LadyStark Sat 24-Nov-12 23:26:56

Thank you, it's very close to sea (as in the end of the garden turns into beach) so hope it remains sheltered.

Sounds scary out there, sorry to hear about your car Norks but glad DH is ok.

Stay safe everyone.

TheMysteryCat Sat 24-Nov-12 23:28:30

Oybbk,

I'm up on the north coast of Cornwall. The wind is constantly gusting and whipping round anti- clockwise, at least that's what it sounds like as a pattern round the house! Hope that makes sense. It's chucking it down too. There are flood warnings in all the villages as lots of rivers here and they had already bust their banks earlier in the week.

It's a weeny bit scary!

It does make sense tmc and considering Cornwall isn't even in a wind warning area....

Am off to bed for a bit of shut eye.. Night all, stay safe.

RumBaaBaa Sat 24-Nov-12 23:34:41

Night night x

TheMysteryCat Sat 24-Nov-12 23:36:38

Night oybbg

Norks- that must have been quite scary for your DH!

Wind is awful here in south Devon, there's an old evergreen tree in a neighbours garden that is dying, its really moving atm and Im worried as if it fell towards us it will land on our bedroom. sad

The coastal roads here are closed as the sea is breaching the walls and all the fishing boats are safely moored up, so it must be getting bad.

Hope everyone is safe.

Thanks all, DH was scared, but mostly very very sad sad
We have all been in mourning for the car and have been wearing black.

Hope everyone stays warm, dry and safe.
I hope all trees stay upright and all rivers stay in their beds

drmelons Sat 24-Nov-12 23:45:56

There is another similar thread going tonight where people are posting advice to those worried a out flooding. The thread is called something like 'help I'm scared my house is going to flood' lots of people have said some very sensible things, for what it's worth my two pennies worth is as follows....

I would start to move anything of monetary or sentimental value upstairs tonight, it's a pita but it would be one less thing to do in a hurry. Also find something large and heavy (logs are ideal) and move them inside to use to prop up large pieces of furniture on. We flooded over a metre the first time but the last couple of times something like this would have been a life saver! It may also sound obvious but organise child or pet care 'just in case' for tomorrow (again its one less thing to worry about.)

Also have bottles of water a bag packed in case you have to get out quickly and make sure all documents are somewhere safe.

It is also worthwhile checking your insurance policies, e.g. Who would pay for temp accommodation if you had to move out for a while etc.

One of the low points we had was trying to find somewhere else to live. Holiday houses are best as they are fully equipped (we lost all kitchen equipment, sofas, washing machines etc) we lost Internet access due to our flooding so trying to find somewhere was awful. Maybe having a list to hand compiled before would help?

Some very good points there DrMelons. (Am in bed now! Just need to close iPad!) obv charging phones is also sensible.

ChippingInLovesAutumn Sat 24-Nov-12 23:58:16

OYBBK - what time do you think it will hit us - still very dry & quiet here!

mumat39 Sun 25-Nov-12 00:10:47

Bbc news 24 covering flooding in Cornwall. Stay safe everyone.

Morning all! As I said on t'other thread, I'm knackered after finally falling asleep around 3 hours ago.
Why did thr wind make my bedroom radiator rattle? Most puzzling.

How did everyone fare?

Morning OYBBK. Worcestershire here. Well it has stopped raining <fanfare>. The wind in the night was very noisy but everything seems to be where it was.

beachyhead Sun 25-Nov-12 08:52:17

It's a beautiful sunny morning on the coast in West Sussex.... It was wild and scary last night, but very still and bright now.. Lovely

Morning smile

So looking at tonight and tomorrow:

Once again we have a low pressure traversing our shores, arriving in the sw this evening. Early met office warnings are out. Wind not a feature this time. Once again Wales and the SW will be hit the hardest I'm afraid.

Tuesday could still be showery, but not adding to the total burden of rain in the rivers really, then the risk of showers tends to be more towards he east and northeast which isn't so bad. Showers could become more wintry, especially over the NE by next weekend.

Don't forget to keep tuned into the EA if you are at risk of flooding. Also, many of you will know that the risking of flooding for some will linger after the rain has cleared as rivers continue to rise due to run off from hills.

Cup of tea time!

Chanatan Sun 25-Nov-12 09:17:22

Morning,it has stopped raining at last.The flood waters had gone down considerably this morning so ds was able to drive himself to work this morning.Land Rover is on standby incase it starts raining again and he cant get home.

Loads of road closures even the M50. Luckily I have nowhere I need to be. One unexpected bonus in all this is all the junior footy has been off. grin

Raining again (south Devon)

Chanatan Sun 25-Nov-12 09:30:48

saintlyjimjams,I,m south devon too.

TheMysteryCat Sun 25-Nov-12 09:35:37

The rain stopped for all of half hour in north cornwall and has just started again! At least the wind has died down. Looks like most local roads are closed or flooded in places and certainly the big main roads have got serious problems. So glad I'm up high. Hope everyone down in the villages are ok.

TMC, there is a bit of a cluster of showers in your area, hopefully it will dry out again for a little bit.

Chanatan, that is good news smile

Startail Sun 25-Nov-12 09:37:39

M50 again it was shut on Wed as well.

They spend their lives digging it up, I thought some of that was to stop it flooding.

Watching flood gages as need to go to Gloucester. Seven lags local flooding as water runs of the Welsh hills. High tide also joins in. So it can be a bright sunny day, all our lanes can be dry and the road into Gloucester can be shut, some times only for an hour at peek tide.

Hands brolly to chanatan

I have no idea what to do with ds1 today. Don't want to risk Bigbury - if it rains I might get stuck there, don't think I should head to Dartmoor.....

Good luck startail. Severn is running very high isn't it. Looks like it will peak between Tewkesbury and Gloucester tomorrow afternoon.

TheMysteryCat Sun 25-Nov-12 09:46:23

Thanks oybbk.

I'm getting supplies from the village and then straight back home! Saintly, not sure I'll be going anywhere near dart moor either! It looks horrid atm.

Dartmoor wouldn't be my choice of place to visit today. Even thought it shouldn't be too wet during the day.

Startail Sun 25-Nov-12 10:00:42

Thanks for the good wishes, what are the odds that that is exactly when the car is fixed?

No, especially as we would go through low bits. I am stumped, bigbury & Dartmoor is what we do. Hmmm

Watching it on the news this morning. Not great.

Some concern about the eastern side of the Pennines tomorrow and as such the met office have a new [[http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/warnings/ warning area.

thekidsrule Sun 25-Nov-12 12:02:27

down in the south,said it wasnt going to rain this morning,it has been raining on and of all morning

Hammering down in south Devon. Was good to head to our local beach changed my mind on the way here Am now sat in the car waiting for it to ease off so I can chuck a ball around for the dog. Have ds1 with me who unimpressed but needs to go out as well.

The sun came out! It really did. It has gone back in now though. sad

RumBaaBaa Sun 25-Nov-12 14:49:50

Tipping it down here again in SE Cornwall and constant strong wind. Was still this morning but v quickly got nasty again which wasn't forecast. It's biblical out there now. Water in the next village is at waist height. Worst it's ever been apparently. Battening down the hatches again and having a cuppa x

This next system has come in very quickly rumbaa sad not given people a chance to get themselves sorted a bit. Lots of showers between the two systems as well.

CMOTDibbler Sun 25-Nov-12 16:02:16

Severn is amazingly high at Worcester - the flood plain is doing its job well, but it doesn't have to get much higher for a lot of damage to be done.
DS delighted to see a house on the flood plain (house itself is well above the water, but its access road is not) being accessed by boat - we have previously seen the people who live there walking in in waders.

pepperrabbit Sun 25-Nov-12 16:56:05

We had a noisy night here (NE Hampshire) - awake with the wind mostly, 2 fence panels down and shored up in the brief sunshine this morning. Bottom of the garden under about an inch of standing water. No real risk of flooding and I've seen more water in the garden previously, it's just so grim outside at the moment. Getting me down a bit (I also have had pneumonia and still recovering so damp weather is pretty crap healthwise!).
I feel so sorry for the awful stories on here and people on the news with feet of water coming up through the floor sad
Luckily it's just started raining again hmm

I am wondering if I will get DS to the coach and then the coach to school CMOT. He had 3 days off sick last week and really needs to go back in.

Helenagrace Sun 25-Nov-12 17:02:13

CMOT we used to live in Worcester. I remember the town bridge being closed quite often and having to go to Ombersley to cross the river. We have friends in Kempsey but they are OK.

We have family in Exeter too but they are also OK.

The road from here to Ombersley was closed this morning Helena. sad

RumBaaBaa Sun 25-Nov-12 17:43:55

Rain is now heavier than I have ever seen it in SE Cornwall. This seems like a new front coming in. It's so loud on the windows and the wind is slamming the rain into the house. None of the forecasts I looked at predicted this to be so dramatic or so early in the evening.

I guess this is what will move up and across the country overnight. Anyone in a flood area be prepared for serious serious rain. It's so heavy and loud it's unreal.

Rum that sounds horrible. sad We are going to get another load from 7pm onwards according to the forecast. It's never ending isn't it?

RumBaaBaa Sun 25-Nov-12 17:50:07

Certainly feels like it Sparkling! My inlaws chose this weekend to visit us in Cornwall for the first time. Has been a nightmare as we haven't been able to go anywhere, and the tiniest bit of rain leaves them running for the sofa anyhow. They've insisted on cranking the heating right up and are generally driving me mad. Can only hope the weather has been so offputting they might not come back for a while grin

Sparkling - I came through the town centre at lunchtime and the canal & river were really high! Not onto the road though but it probably won't take much to spill over.

I think the road down by the bus bay at the High School is flooded as usual droitwich. sad It's horrible isn't it?

pepperrabbit Sun 25-Nov-12 17:56:41

rum that sounds awful sad
Will your inlaws be able to get home? shock

Yes Rum can they go home or not? grin

RumBaaBaa Sun 25-Nov-12 18:01:02

Nope, there is currently no way out of the village shock unless you fancy wading at waist height then running the gauntlet of a wooden valley in gale force winds.

I am going to go out and do a little sun dance later and pray for the rain to stop. If it does, then one route out of the village will be passable by morning at least <please mother nature, I hope you're listening, as I'm running out of wine and going slowly mad> grin

Rum maybe just one more night of being very hot and drinking wine then. smile I may do a sun dance too. Enough is enough and everyone is having a crap time.

pepperrabbit Sun 25-Nov-12 18:08:05

Rum Perhaps you need a new thread?
"AIBU to make my ILS swim home? (They are annoying)"
Could spark a lively debate grin

RumBaaBaa Sun 25-Nov-12 18:09:02

It is rubbish isn't it. There is real suffering happening with flooded homes and businesses and the whole country must be getting cabin fever. I know I am. What a total crapathon. It really is time for the rain to bugger right off.

RumBaaBaa Sun 25-Nov-12 18:09:45

Oh I love it [pepper]. I may do just that grin...

RumBaaBaa Sun 25-Nov-12 18:10:10

sorry I meant pepper!

Do you have DC that need to get to school in the morning Rum?

RumBaaBaa Sun 25-Nov-12 18:12:12

Mine are 3 and 1. My eldest goes to pre-school in the village, 25 meters from the house. Not sure how the older kids in the village will get to school though, there is usually a community bus that runs to Looe and Torpoint to the high schools but I'm pretty sure it won't be running. Could be a lot of bored teenagers at home tomorrow!

That's good then you haven't got to worry about school runs. When does your food run out though?

RumBaaBaa Sun 25-Nov-12 18:14:45

The interesting food will run out at some point tomorrow. Thereafter it will be pasta meals all round... We do have a great village shop but not sure supplies will get through. Hoping they will still have some lovely Cornish Camembert in stock and some of those frozen baguette thingies you can stick in the oven. That'll do. And some wine grin.

Sounds good to me. Wine with bread and cheese. grin

Bread cheese and wine for you. Pasta and water for IL's!

amber warnings now for further north. Very soggy, esp e. of the pennines with up to 3 inches of rain.

RumBaa, the good news is that you should (hopefully) get some drier interludes tomorrow, having got the bulk of the worst of it over with today.

Up thread a little was said about the Environment Agency

bbc report about new defences which are said to have failed.

Saltire Sun 25-Nov-12 20:12:08

I am in the amber area of Yorkshire for tomorrows warnings.

Other than being a thoroughly miserable day saltire, is it going to cause you major issues?

Yes OYBBK that's in Kempsey not far from me. They thought they were safe but the pumps failed. sad Just astonishing really.

Poor souls. It sounds like it was really frightening.

To be flooded before, then have the defences put in place and feel all safe then it happens again. shock really.

JenaiMathis Sun 25-Nov-12 20:26:32

This is my nearest measuring thing. It seems higher tho.

We're on the hill, thankfully. Don't think anyone will actually get flooded.

www.environment-agency.gov.uk/homeandleisure/floods/riverlevels/120718.aspx?stationId=3041

LostInWales Mon 26-Nov-12 10:30:50

I have nothing helpful to add re flooding or rain but how cool it that environment agency water measurement thing. I am going to have a great time now just looking at different river levels. (This is probably the only place I can admit to wanting to do that!)

Hope everyone stays safe and dry, my parents are in the amber area with you Saltire. Looks like north Wales is going to get it today, on the forecast it looks like the rain cloud has got stuck on Snowdon, hope Llanberis is prepared after last weeks flooding sad.

JenaiMathis Mon 26-Nov-12 10:42:32

I was rather too impressed by it too, Lost grin

Saltire Mon 26-Nov-12 10:43:08

It might. Last time it happened all the roads flooded (smal village in middle of nowhere) and all the major couriers (except tesco) said they couldn't or wouldn't get through.

redwellybluewelly Mon 26-Nov-12 10:49:07

I have an issue with that water level thingy - I work with rivers (in as much as I spend a lot of time talking about way to manage flow, manage land use, canoe them and photograph them) and I know the height of my local river and how fast it can change. In the summer the river burst its banks, spillways activated, no houses flooded but it was spectacular, the EA river gauge thingy on the weir by our bridge didn't even say it was in flood.

Wow! Just saw that parts of northern Wales could see 90mm from this. That's a lot of rain.

LostInWales Mon 26-Nov-12 13:59:31

Bloody hell shock and there's no where for it to soak in either. Poor people, I hope they are all prepared and no one tries to be clever. We were up in Llanberis over half term and it was such a lovely place, to see the water rushing through there on the news last week was awful. Hard to believe we got off lightly here when it seemed like the apocalypse at the time.

redwelly <shhhhh> don't spoil our fun! If I want to know how high the river is here I just look out of the window, don't want facts just nice graphs!

Channel 5 re going to be doing a flooding special at 6:30

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