Hurricane sandy

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OhYouBigBadBeast Fri 26-Oct-12 22:09:18

Looking potentially very serious indeed for the eastern seaboard of the US, perhaps including NYC if some models are correct. The storm will probably be extra tropical but nevertheless if it interacts with a trough modelled off the east coast that could bring down arctic air then the result could be approaching catastrophic, with utterly torrential rain, severe blizzards, hurricane force winds and severe storm surges all being possible.

I think people will be getting very worried about this. Mon tues weds are the days to be watching. Lets hope the storm turns east away from the us coast.

OhYouBigBadBeast Fri 26-Oct-12 22:20:51
MoreBeta Fri 26-Oct-12 22:25:06

Wall Street might be closed on Monday - that could be an interesting time for the Worlds financial markets. All the trading will happen in London long into the night - problem is the banking system needs US Dollars.

OhYouBigBadBeast Fri 26-Oct-12 22:34:00

Very true morebeta.

jalopy Sat 27-Oct-12 18:32:20

Kitten, does that mean we are likely to get referred 'backlash' weather in a week's time or so?

vixcyn Sat 27-Oct-12 18:35:21

Much of my family live in Boston. They have been hearing about this storm for a week. Two of my brothers are State Policeman, they have added extra shifts, and had some time off canceled already.

OhYouBigBadBeast Sat 27-Oct-12 18:43:10

Not really jalopy in that the storm turns north west. but a seperate low pressure system does look to perhaps cause us some trouble towards the end of the week, with lots of rain and fairly strong winds particularly for more northern areas showing on GFS.

Vixcyn, would be really interested in any thoughts and updates you get from them.

vixcyn Sat 27-Oct-12 18:46:57

I surely will. Both brothers are scheduled to work Monday and Tuesday, so will find out what is going on.

OhYouBigBadBeast Sat 27-Oct-12 18:53:06

Thank you smile

clam Sat 27-Oct-12 19:09:09

Dsis and family are renting a beach house just south of Charleston at the moment. They've had the decking steps washed away this morning and bil was interviewed on the news. Not sure whether they're evacuating or not - don't think the main hub is close to shore that far south - will be trouble further north I think.

MooncupGoddess Sat 27-Oct-12 19:11:32

Gosh, I do feel for them. I was in the area for work this time last year - there had just been an unseasonal snowstorm and masses of people lost power for days. The trees were still in leaf so the weight of snow brought many of them crashing down.

clam Sat 27-Oct-12 19:18:42

Well, they all seem to have access to FaceBook at the moment!

OhYouBigBadBeast Sat 27-Oct-12 19:34:51

That's right mooncup, and they had hurricane Irene in aug 2011.
There's already an impact with some parts of NYC being ordered to evacuate tomorrow and it looks like they will shut the transportation system down.

google cancel android event will upset quite a few manufacturers I think.

Waswondering Sat 27-Oct-12 19:38:48

When does the storm hit in relation to the elections? Could it be an interesting conjunction, preventing or limiting people from voting?

winnybella Sat 27-Oct-12 19:41:14

I'll be watching it closely as have friends in NYC. Hope it won't be a repeat of the 1991 storm.

Waswondering Sat 27-Oct-12 19:41:33

(oops - read the link! A week out ...)

OhYouBigBadBeast Sat 27-Oct-12 19:43:14

It's a week after and yes it could have some large ramifications is there is lots of damage or prolonged power cuts. Those NE states are traditionally democrat.

OhYouBigBadBeast Sat 27-Oct-12 19:48:11

Winnybella, me too, I've been reading up on it though the set up is rather different, there are a few similarities.

hootiemcboob Sat 27-Oct-12 19:57:00

Clam - I'm in Charleston (inland though). It's rainy and windy, but no calls for evacuation.

clam Sun 28-Oct-12 00:23:10

Yeah, have just heard they're staying put.

NatashaBee Sun 28-Oct-12 00:49:12

DSD's mother lives in MD and DSD is visiting her at the moment - waiting to hear whether they send her home early as it sounds like all airports in the affected areas are shutting down on Monday. Sounds like DSD's family are going to be fairly hit and expecting property damage.

NapOfTheDamned Sun 28-Oct-12 01:15:36

Just popped this on the other thread.

Dr Jeff Masters weather expert blog.

Worth tracking in hurricane season; he is a legend here in the Caribbean
www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/show.html

(the comments are not to be taken too seriously usually, lots of doom-casting weather nerds and storm chasers getting excited but in this case it's serious)

vixcyn Sun 28-Oct-12 01:37:21

Gov. Patrick issued a state of emergency in Massachusetts. Looks like many people will get to stay home on Monday. My brothers will be on call round the clock starting tomorrow..

OhYouBigBadBeast Sun 28-Oct-12 07:58:25

Very good blog Nap.

MoreBeta Sun 28-Oct-12 08:45:54

I read elsewhere that it is not so much the wind that is going to do the damage but a possibility of 10 inches of rain hitting central New York City in one day.

OhYouBigBadBeast Sun 28-Oct-12 09:20:40

And the storm surge morebeta. The wind isn't going to help but it's not the worst factor.

Waswondering Sun 28-Oct-12 14:01:23

Dh is tracking this storm (as you do!) and pointed out that the storm surge and the NYC subway system might not be a good combination ....

OhYouBigBadBeast Sun 28-Oct-12 15:16:06

It may well flood waswondering. They are doing a phased shut down from 7pm
here

MrsjREwing Sun 28-Oct-12 15:22:06

I just saw a BBC news report on this, marking my place.

MrsjREwing Sun 28-Oct-12 15:28:27

NY Mayor ordering partial evacuation.

OhYouBigBadBeast Sun 28-Oct-12 15:29:48

breaking records for the largest hurricane/tropical storm ever recorded with a 12 ft high seas a thousand miles in diameter.
N. carolina has exprienced 12-15ft waves on top of the storm surge.
That blog is well worth a read.

OhYouBigBadBeast Sun 28-Oct-12 16:20:31

guardian are doing a live blog on it.

Waswondering Sun 28-Oct-12 18:04:31

(Ohyou - you and my dh are clearly on the same websites!!!! grin)

(Note to self: thankful not currently out there on the sea ... urgh)

OhYouBigBadBeast Sun 28-Oct-12 19:02:31

grin

PrincessOfChina Sun 28-Oct-12 20:04:19

My little brother and his GF are in NYC now on a holiday they've planned for a year. He says it's not too bad right now (they're actually at the NY Jets NFL game right now) but expecting to spend tomorrow in the hotel.

Any ideas on whether they'll get any sight seeing done the rest of the week? How long do these things last?

vixcyn Sun 28-Oct-12 20:42:16

From my brothers in Boston. Rain has been pissing down most of the day. Stores were doing a very brisk business. Some schools have begun being cancelled for Monday in Massachusetts. My brothers(Stae Troopers) hope everyone stays the hell off the road tomorrow.

OhYouBigBadBeast Sun 28-Oct-12 21:12:28

Princess, impossible to say, two days of bad weather, but then it's whether there is power and if there was damage to the transport infrastructure.
They are certainly going to have a holiday to talk about!

Thanks for the update vixcyn. It sounds like people are taking it seriously and preparing.

I've found this webcam in North Carolina here

Waswondering Sun 28-Oct-12 21:21:07

Cool webcam msl - given that it's still miles out to sea!!

HairyMaclary Sun 28-Oct-12 21:21:27

Oops, I'm taking my DB and sil to the airport tomorrow as they are due to fly in to NYC for six months of internships. I guess I'd better get them to check their flight before I pick them up. Do you have any news of the air travel situation?

It just cut out mid transmission - not a surprise really.

Waswondering Sun 28-Oct-12 21:23:54

Hairy - have you checked the online departures from their airport?

PrincessOfChina Sun 28-Oct-12 21:24:10

Thank you!

I suspect he'll be proposing at some point too so it'll certainly be a memorable one if he does that too!

HairyMaclary Sun 28-Oct-12 21:26:03

I don't really know their flight details, will make sure that they are checked though before we set off. All I know is I'm taking them to Heathrow for 4pm. I guess there will be some idea of the impact by then but it will be cutting it a bit fine!

OhYouBigBadBeast Sun 28-Oct-12 21:29:02

Wonder what any prospective child might be called grin

Waswondering Sun 28-Oct-12 21:30:25
Erebus Sun 28-Oct-12 21:30:34

As others have said, providing your house/apartment isn't actually on the beach (storm surge etc) the problem could be the rain that follows.

A category 1 hurricane isn't that big-a deal, tbh (considering they go up to 5!)

25 years ago I spend a boring Xmas with a boyfriend in a motel in Cairns, Australia, as Cyclone Joy, a Category 5, bore down on the town. It sat off shore for days, but the power was cut (trees down on power lines) and the water was cut (pumps at the dams failing due to electric shortage and debris in the turbines). We had a battery radio that was updating us- they put out a loud 'jingle' every time there's something new to report so you listen. We'd filled the bath tub and criss-crossed the motel windows with masking tape and worked out how to get the mattress into the bathroom (strongest part of a house). We knew where our evacuation station was an' all! Luckily, though the staff left, the owner didn't so all us guests, together, raided the fridges and made pot luck meals on the gas burners, then swam among the submerged pool furniture in the pool (you sling it in to stop it becoming a projectile). We knew how to entertain ourselves... but we weren't that worried as northern Queensland houses are built to withstand category 5 cyclones.

Eventually it drifted south, still at sea, and crossed the coast as a Category 1 halfway down Queensland.

The big problem was then the rain and getting out. There were no planes left as, having learned their lesson during cyclone Tracey (Darwin, 1974?5?) the airlines flew them all out; the flooding cut the N/S railway line and the Bruce Highway that circles Australia was washed out!

Took me 10 days to leave back to Brisbane in the end (on a train that went 200 miles inland to avoid the central coats flooding!), having cancelled my dive trip as the ocean was full of debris and silt.... and small cuts on my feet festered as the were constantly wet as the streets of Cairns were still awash.

I very much hope this is hype not reality for the poor Americans!

OhYouBigBadBeast Sun 28-Oct-12 21:31:10

Hairy, there's discussion here about ny flights. Not looking so good I'm afraid.

OhYouBigBadBeast Sun 28-Oct-12 21:34:17

Erebus, part of the problem is that it is going to be fed by cold air and crash into a winter storm coming from the west. So it's not an ordinary cat 1 storm. I'm also a bit interested in how the winds will funnel around the skyscrapers, though they aren't predicted to be too terrible.

OhYouBigBadBeast Sun 28-Oct-12 21:41:53

Also it looks like the surge may well coincide with the full moon high tide.

LadyEvilBeagle Sun 28-Oct-12 21:45:18

It's all sounding very Day After Tomorrow isn't it?

OhYouBigBadBeast Sun 28-Oct-12 21:54:40

It certainly does sound like its out of a movie! Especially with the elections in a week and the way it suddenly turns and aims at NYC.

Add in today's 7.7 mag earthquake off western Canada and the tsunami warnings for Hawaii that turned out to be a false alarm.....

vixcyn Sun 28-Oct-12 21:55:44

From Boston..the governor of Massachusetts has requested all schools in the state be closed for tomorrow. He has asked that all employers allow their employees to work at home tomorrow.
From my brother on shift with MSP..he has called to for petrol stations to break up fights at the pumps..

vixcyn Sun 28-Oct-12 21:56:43

Should have been..he has been called to four petrol stations for disturbances..

OhYouBigBadBeast Sun 28-Oct-12 21:57:31

I don't envy your brother vixcyn.

vixcyn Sun 28-Oct-12 22:02:16

Me neither, OYBBB..all my brothers are police or medics...I worry constantly..

The big problem for most people outside of New York City (we live an hour away in NJ, think living in Kent, commuter-wise) is that powerlines are overhead, not underground. I'm not (thankfully) living on a NJ flood plain (though a friend that IS, is also 3 days overdue with her second baby. NOT fun for her!) but if the winds blow down a lot of trees, which they will, and a few trees bring down the lines bringing power to our houses... well, as well as potentially flooded basements, we'll have no electricity for at minimum the duration of the storm (48 hours, they're saying around here) and quite possibly a few days after that.
We were lucky during Irene - had power the whole time, and so just enjoyed a few days off (I was actually in England visiting family with DS, so DH and the dog 'ate ice cream and played xbox together' - apparently!) but the next street over from us had no power for 6 days. Which is quite a long time, really, specially if you have little children, and/or work online from home (us!).

All the supermarkets nearby have sold out of bottled water. I've filled a few bottles and tupperware bits with clean water in case of the worst, but am not actually ready for being cut off for days and days. My work and DH's work have said they're not opening tomorrow, so I expect we'll just have a relatively cooped up and fractious toddler to entertain for a rainy, windy day, rather than anything worse. It's more fun when we get time off for terrible snow storms, at least then we all enjoy playing out in it!

vix that must be very hard to cope with - I'm such a worrier, I couldn't manage it! We're just taking everyone's advice not to travel, apart from a couple of pissing wet dog walks and letting DS run riot in the back garden, I don't think we'll be doing much adventuring tomorrow. I've got heaps of sorting-the-house-before-the-baby-comes that I want to do, so I might deputize DH into shifting some stuff around in the loft smile

Cybbo Sun 28-Oct-12 22:31:56

My daughter on an art trip to New York at the moment. Has been told to stay in her hotel and has bought rations! Was supposed to fly home Monday overnight but flight cancelled, they're lo

Cybbo Sun 28-Oct-12 22:32:25

Looking at tues late or Wednesday now . She's hacked off!

skyebluezombie Sun 28-Oct-12 22:32:42

blackcurrants - hope everybody is ok xx

OhYouBigBadBeast Sun 28-Oct-12 22:35:07

Am off to bed, but thinking of those of you preparing for tomorrow.

vixcyn Sun 28-Oct-12 22:37:00

My entire family is filled with police,medics and military, Blackcurrants. I pray lots and text like mad!
Please be careful. I remember what those storm days were like in the US.

HairyMaclary Sun 28-Oct-12 22:46:25

Their flight has just been cancelled, now I need to drop them off at my parents house! Oh well, at least they know. Am a bit gutted for them though, the was the start of a very well planned career break, I hope they get to fly in soon and the storm blows past as uneventfully as possible.

ScarePhyllis Sun 28-Oct-12 23:24:50

Thinking of those of you on the coast. I am in Central NY, in the bit wot got flooded after Lee last year. Also worried about power and flooding as I live next to a creek. My university says its going to be operating as normal, but has told everyone to put fuel in their cars and charge all computers and phones etc. and get cash in case ATMs are out. I went shopping this morning, so am good for a week.

Someone said to me this evening that the supermarket parking lot is already flooded hmm.

vixcyn Sun 28-Oct-12 23:27:34

Please be safe ScarePhyllis...flooding is so frightening..

We're lucky, the most we are really at risk from is inconvenience , no power, and maybe a falling tree branch. I hope everyone else stays safe!

Want2bSupermum Mon 29-Oct-12 01:07:57

Bit worried about the trees and power outages as wires are overhead. I picked DH up from the airport this evening and it is great he is back home. We waited for him at Ikea and there were many more flights landing than taking off. The roads were clear too which is unusual for a Sunday afternoon.

School is cancelled tomorrow and daycare is shut. I was scheduled to sit a part of my CPA exam on Tuesday but paid the $60 to reschedule it since a spot opened up for Friday. They have closed the testing center tomorrow so those people will be rescheduled tomorrow and take up the open slots that are remaining. Better to get in ahead of them as the testing center is in the middle of a flood zone so will probably be closed on Tuesday as well.

My storm prep has been to buy milk for DD so we have enough until Wednesday, fill the tank of the car and park the cars away from where trees can fall on them. Don't understand the rush on the supermarkets. We will be eating frozen food if the power goes out. On Friday I called our public works and had them pick up the leaves I bagged as I can't lift them myself and we are close to a drain. Tomorrow morning DH will pull the leaves back from the curb before work and drain to make sure there are no blockages and drainage is as quick as possible.

Princess Tell your brother to buy a case of water. If there is flooding don't drink the tap water. CVS, dwane reade or Walgreens should have water. A case will cost about $5.

vixcyn Mon 29-Oct-12 01:15:30

Want2be, my brother said the shelves were cleared of water at Walmarts in Boston, area. Supposed to get more in early tomorrow..

ScarePhyllis Mon 29-Oct-12 01:22:46

Just looking at the local news and apparently all the water and generators have sold out in my town ... think I might try early tomorrow morning.

expatinscotland Mon 29-Oct-12 01:24:14

It is looking frightening. I have two first cousins, one in NJ and the other in NY.

expatinscotland Mon 29-Oct-12 01:27:40

It's so late in the year.

Being from Texas, I have been through hurricanes. Thankfully the worst of it was no power during very hot weather which meant no air con and mosquitos.

My sister lives in Galveston County and they bought generators years ago .

They stayed for Hurricane Ike and were able to use the generators to run enough and for wall unit a/c in one room.

This thing is supposed to hit a nor'easter it's pretty scary.

Viperidae Mon 29-Oct-12 01:31:30

My DS and girlfriend are in NYC, flight home was Sunday and was cancelled. Hard for them as they will be in a hotel so can't be prepared as you would at home.

We are just praying that they and everybody out there will be safe.

expatinscotland Mon 29-Oct-12 01:31:36

It's those live wires and all that water that's frightening for those in the hurricane, and tornadoes for those farther inland.

Stuff just slices power lines and there's live wires in the street and flood waters.

One time, during Hurricane Alicia, our ignorant idiot neighbour in back had a swimming pool enclosed with cheap awning while he waited for permission to enclose it properly.

A piece of that awning broke off and spliced the power lines. I'll never forget seeing our backyard as an electrical storm from the window when some of those lines touched down and our yard was full of standing water.

No power for a week, either, thanks to his being such a fool.

In Texas horrid things like fire ants and water mocassins get in the flood water, too.

wentshopping Mon 29-Oct-12 01:35:04

I agree (from here in Houston) with expat about the worst but being without power afterwards. The storm itself can be pretty noisy (sounds like a train?) - we stayed put for Hurricane Ike, and we were 11 days without power. At least it was not too hot for the first few days. Tap water not safe to drink as the water plants were not working. We went to the grocery store every day and ate so much pasta helper cooked outside on a camping stove. Our local Baskin Robbins was open before we got power back, so used to go there and cool off and eat ice cream obviously.
Battery operated radio a good idea as you can listen for updates about power and water.
Good luck to all on east coast and those hoping to travel in/out.

vixcyn Mon 29-Oct-12 01:38:15

I am in awe of you that have been through hurricanes. I grew up in Boston, we have had our share of storms, but those hurricanes are EVIL!

expatinscotland Mon 29-Oct-12 01:45:06

Oh, the worst is how muggy and hot it can get, vix. And you can't go outside for all those damn mosquitos.

And no water. If you haven't done a lot of camping or outdoor stuff, you will soon realise how much water you get through. Not being able to shower when it's bloody 100 degrees out with 99% humidity is gross.

VERY noisy, yes. And the damn things always seem to make landfall at night. So you're up all night.

We had an eye pass over us once and it was the weirdest thing in the world! I wondered where all the birds went. You could have heard a pin drop out there.

Then it started back up again.

It's the tornadoes that are dire, though.

vixcyn Mon 29-Oct-12 01:49:24

I imagine that was terrorfying! If you had children it must have been worse.
Tornados also scare me. We had warnings in MA when I lived there, but no actual touchdowns. The US really does have its share of harsh weather...

expatinscotland Mon 29-Oct-12 01:51:39

I'm far more fearful of tornadoes than hurricanes, tbh. I lived in Colorado for years and tornado warnings scarred the daylights out of me because if there's a warning funnel clouds have already been identified.

And where the hell do you go if you're living on limestone or bedrock?

There's far less time than with a hurricane.

SoggyMoggy Mon 29-Oct-12 02:03:35

For those w/o much spare water. We always fill the bathtub(s) before hurricanes. That way if flooding does force you to go under a boil order/whatever, you have a bit more to work with.

vixcyn Mon 29-Oct-12 02:07:40

Expat, we were always told to go to the innermost room in the house...well, I would spent ages trying to figure out exactly what constituted the innermost room..

Wheresmypopcorn Mon 29-Oct-12 02:21:28

Have landed up at a random hotel with DH while we wait to see if we can get out of here tomorrow. Will just have to see tomorrow morning as no - one is really sure how bad it's going to be.

SoggyMoggy Mon 29-Oct-12 02:27:25

Much to the yes of tornadoes being worse. Hurricanes have a season, and there's warning. Tornadoes just drop from the sky like nature's way of suggesting you should never get too comfortable. One afternoon, when I was all of ten, I was home alone for a few minutes while my mother went to pick up my father and siblings. A tornado popped up out of pretty much nowhere and tore the roof off our house. I heard the sirens in time and hid in the bathroom with my dog, scared out of my mind. Scared the hell out of me, but I think it scared my parents a hell of a lot worse. Not. Fun.

Earlybird Mon 29-Oct-12 02:48:40

I read a good tip: make ice and store in the freezer in sealed plastic bags. it will keep food cold once power goes. Can then use melted ice for drinking/cooking etc.

ellargh Mon 29-Oct-12 03:08:53

Signing in. I'm not in the US but my friends parents and siblings will be in NY next week as they were doing a charity climb of the statue of liberty. They're currently in Colorado.

mathanxiety Mon 29-Oct-12 04:35:32

DD1 is in DC at the mo, living and working. The day she arrived the big derecho hit and now this. Hopefully we will be able to stay in phone contact. I'm not sure if DD1 could figure out how to use a can opener if she ran out of refrigerated or frozen food, so hoping her roomies are domestic types smile

Helena1964 Mon 29-Oct-12 05:07:53

I'm in the affected area. We did our grocery shopping on Thursday, and the market was a madhouse, even though the storm was still 4 days away. Now everyone is just hunkering down.
I have a very bad feeling about this storm. I'm almost 48, and have been through several hurricanes, without being scared, but this one is somehow different. The way they're talking about this one is frightening.
During past hurricanes, low-lying neighborhoods in our town ( fortunately for us, at the opposite end of town ) had voluntary evacuations. For the first time in my memory, the evacuation is mandatory. The police don't have the manpower to force people to evacuate if they absolutely refuse, but refusers have been warned that, if they need emergency aid during the storm, none may be forthcoming.
We even received an automated Emergency Communications Warning over the phone at 9 p.m..That's also a first for us. It's almost 1 a.m. , but I don't think there'll be much sleeping here tonight. Since a State of Emergency has been declared, there will be no work or school anyway.
Stay safe, fellow East Coast US Mumsnetters ! Will be keeping everyone ( and their worried out-of-area loved ones ) in my thoughts.

Helena1964 Mon 29-Oct-12 05:11:35

Meant to say, Stay Safe, fellow East Coast US Mumsnetters AND Family !

Helena1964 Mon 29-Oct-12 05:15:12

Meant AND FAMILIES, not Family. My mind is really not functioning at the moment. blush

Bramblesinafield Mon 29-Oct-12 09:09:28

Stay safe, y'all.

SoggyMoggy Mon 29-Oct-12 09:27:57

My BiL has officially been up too long. He's got a webcam set up in the window of his place in Delaware, and now he's enacting Playmobil hurricane pageants on the window ledge, complete with a Lego generator and a plant mister in lieu of rain.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 09:45:32

Your BIL sounds fab! but I hope he got some sleepy otherwise hell be do-lally by the end of tomorrow!

lots to catch up on in the thread and news!

wishiwasonholiday Mon 29-Oct-12 09:50:20

My uncle is in conneticut all their street have evacuated except them, his wife says the waves are going over the sea walls. They must be mad staying not sure I'd be that brave!

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 09:52:38

From what I've read at least this hurricane shouldnt generate too many tornadoes. The only small positive I can really find at the moment.

Expat, I'm in awe of your description of your garden turning into an electrical storm. I'm hoping that everyone over there is catching some sleep at the moment. Wildwood NJ seems to be already flooded according to a fb picture I've seen posted.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 09:55:39

wishi, I think its actually a brave decision when you do evacuate as you are leaving all your property to goodness knows what without being able to keep an eye on it, though of course life and safety is absolutely the most important thing, it takes a leap of faith to trust the experts when they say it will be bad, you need to get out of there.

I hope that they stay ok.

SoggyMoggy Mon 29-Oct-12 10:00:07

I think he was do-lally when this started. ;) But yeah, he and his partner are taking turns at sleeping, so that at least one technically rational adult is awake to keep an eye on things.

mumblechum1 Mon 29-Oct-12 10:03:56

DS flew out to Washington on Friday on a school trip, was due to drive to NYC today. I haven't heard from him since he left so called his hotel just now and they said there's rain there but they're not expecting the storm to hit until later today.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 10:10:43

It will be at its peak overnight mumblechum. Has he water and food supplies?

PinkPussyCat Mon 29-Oct-12 10:15:29

Marking place, DH currently in NY, in a Times Sq hotel on the 25th floor sad. Desperately want him home, so worried.

SoggyMoggy Mon 29-Oct-12 10:18:20

Given that one big risk associated with this storm is flooding, PinkPussyCat, at least he's up well high! The main issue in Times Sq is likely to be power outage, and how long it lasts. A hotel that size probably has a generator, one hopes.

mumblechum1 Mon 29-Oct-12 10:20:17

OYBBB, I'm assuming that the hotel/the trip organisers have sorted out water etc. The receptionist at the hotel sounded remarkably laid back.

PinkPussyCat Mon 29-Oct-12 10:21:44

You're right soggy. But don't much like the ideas of him waving about in the wind up high either. Rock and a hard place eh?

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 10:25:03

I'm sure you are right mumble - he will be well looked after smile (and have a story to dine out on for the rest of his life grin )

PPC, as soggy says, hes not going to get flooded smile and the hotel will be very mindful of keeping their guests safe.

SoggyMoggy Mon 29-Oct-12 10:25:52

Yeah, I can understand that. Waiting and watching from afar is rough.

PinkPussyCat Mon 29-Oct-12 10:29:06

Aw it's lovely to hear reassuring comments. Got lots of "oh you must be so worried" type comments at the school gate, I wasn't too worried up until that point!
Thanks MNers smile

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 10:32:28

PPC, if it does start to rock a little (and thats not a worrying thing, its supposed to do that!) he can move down to lower levels to feel better. They have dampers and things in the very tall skyscrapers (how tall is his building?) which help to damp out the motion.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 10:33:52

school gate people arent always helpful in these things grin they imagine themselves in your shoes rather than being able to stand back and look at the situation more practically.

SoggyMoggy Mon 29-Oct-12 10:35:51

Just as an update. The Playmobil reporter for CNN has taken control of Sandy the oscillating fan's plant mister and is using it to keep Captain Jack Harkness (representing The Weather Channel) and Father Christmas from interviewing the small squeaky duck.

THe outer banks webcam is back up and running - incredible footage, here

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 10:43:56

grin soggy

thanks manky smile quite a good view considering as its dark!

It is - I am surprised power is still on though.

I'm also waiting for sunrise at the Coney Island and Statue of Liberty webcams.

The Coney Island webccam is quite well lit at the moment. here

PinkPussyCat Mon 29-Oct-12 10:54:08

OYBBB - wow, I didn't know any of that! Dampers and stuff, all very technical <impressed> Not sure how tall the building is overall though.
Loving Soggy's updates smile

MrsJamin Mon 29-Oct-12 11:00:54

I'm stuck in manhattan with DH, flights were cancelled yesterday sad. We should be safe at accommodation, not in flooding areas. Really scared though. Just feel sick and can't eat.

mumblechum1 Mon 29-Oct-12 11:05:46

Mrs Jamin, what do you see when you look out the window; is it just a normal rainy day so far?

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 11:18:53

Hugs MrsJamin. Do try and eat if you can, I know its an old fashioned thing to say but you need to keep your strength up. They are prepared really well for this and you can bet that with the election next week they are going to move heaven and earth to sort out things as soon as they possibly can. Try and get a good breakfast.

I take it you arent in a hotel from your term 'accommodation' There are a few things you can do to help yourselves. Make sure that you have water, if you cant get bottled, fill some containers, sink etc. Its only that if theres flooding the water can get contaminated. I'm sure you know about torches etc. If there are chairs and stuff outside, obviously bring them in. clear gutters out. Later on, close curtains and move beds away from windows. Apologies if the above seems obvious or doesnt apply.

You know though, I think that if you are away from the flooding then the reality will be that tonight will be very noisy and seem long but actually you'll both be ok.

spamm Mon 29-Oct-12 11:32:25

It is 7.30 am in Northern Virginia, but am still lying in bed listening to the rain and planning to get up in a sec. No school for ds, but he wants to go to day camp at Taekwondo and they are planning to go bowling to keep the kids busy. The office is closed so I will be working from home. It looks like it will worsen during the day and peak between 8pm and 4am.

We have all the supplies we need, so there is nothing we can do but sit it out. I am just worried about making our flight to California on Friday - we are going for a short vacation to the Yosemite National Park.

spamm Mon 29-Oct-12 11:33:11

Good luck to all US MNers and families of MNers!

ScarePhyllis Mon 29-Oct-12 11:35:12

Embarrassing - realized a short while ago that my storm windows were still open from the summer. Leapt out of bed and closed them!

spamm Mon 29-Oct-12 11:37:45

Mrs Jamin - I am sure you will be fine. The flooding is the biggest risk, so stay away from flood prone areas and maybe try and see a movie or something. Things get noisy and loud, but it will be over in no time. NYers take no nonsense, as soon as it is out of the way, they will get it all back to normal very fast! OYBBB talks lts of sense, get a nice breakfast and try and relax a little. You are not alone, there are lots of MNers here - we can keep each other virtual company!

TessCorpseDissect Mon 29-Oct-12 11:40:10

Stay safe everybody who is likely to be affected. x

mumblechum1 Mon 29-Oct-12 11:42:02

Would I be PFB to phone DS's teacher to check everything's ok and what the plan is (after 9am Washington time) or shall I assume no news is good news?

SoggyMoggy Mon 29-Oct-12 11:44:03

Calling to ask about the plan seems reasonable enough to me. I imagine you won't be the only one!

MrsJamin Mon 29-Oct-12 11:53:21

Thank you OYBBB, we are in a private flat with the nice landlady living next door so we're not alone and someone is looking out for us. Had a bagel for breakfast and we will be ploughing through copious amounts of tea. It's just such an unknown thing, I just don't know how it's going to pan out and whether we will keep power. We have lots of food, lights, water and we will fill the bath too just in case.

ScarePhyllis Mon 29-Oct-12 11:54:15

MrsJamin You will be fine - just get out and try to do something this morning. I was in NYC for Snowpocalypse 2009 when flights were shut down and it was weird and scary at night but by the morning everyone was over it.

In NYC it is really only people in parts of Brooklyn, Queens, Lower Manhattan and Staten Island who need to worry. Anyone who is in Midtown will be fine.

Erebus Mon 29-Oct-12 11:58:42

Just looked at the NC beach webcam...! I admit that when I see travel brochure images of luxury resorts with small thatched roof luxury huts on stilts out into the sea, connected with boardwalks, I always think 'hurricane'!

mumblechum1 Mon 29-Oct-12 11:58:55

ScarePhyllis, you sound like you know what you're talking about. DS is headed for 41st street (Hotel Excelsior). Would that count as lower Manhatten?

ScarePhyllis Mon 29-Oct-12 12:03:39

41st St is Midtown - prime safe touristy area. That is where the vast majority of British tourists will be, I reckon. He will probably just hear a lot of wind and possibly have power cuts.

MrsJamin Mon 29-Oct-12 12:05:18

41st is midtown, so he will be fine there. We are in the east village, 7th street, 2nd ave. DH says that the hurricane should hit south of NYC more than the city.

mumblechum1 Mon 29-Oct-12 12:06:18

Great, thanks for reassurance.

SoggyMoggy Mon 29-Oct-12 12:07:17

Yep, it's heading more for Delaware last they updated the trajectory on CNN.

ScarePhyllis Mon 29-Oct-12 12:07:21

Yeah I think it's New Jersey and anywhere inland that is a flood plain that are going to get it bad.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 12:08:42

Phyllis - well remembered about the storm windows grin

MrsJamin, you sound well set up smile tea is absolutely the way forward!

Spamm, good that they are doing stuff to keep the kids busy, are you going to let him go?

dannyboyle Mon 29-Oct-12 12:12:17

My DH is near Baltimore, flew in yesterday morning. He seems pretty relaxed but I'm fairly nervous!

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 12:12:54

Sandy has now turned NW right on track.

ScarePhyllis Mon 29-Oct-12 12:15:52

Baltimore may well be significantly safer than usual because nobody will be going outside!

SoggyMoggy Mon 29-Oct-12 12:19:29

Hah! Too true, ScarePhyllis. As long as he's not in Inner Harbor, Balmur's probably fairly safe. Again, the power outages are the thing, there.

Well it's 8:30am and central NJ is a howling Gale, lying rain, and generally foul.weather. DH had to drag the dog out, she didn't fancy walking at all! We still have power and I'm doing excellent parenting by letting DS watch heaps of bloody Barney educational programming, thereby saving all the books, puzzles, trains etc for when we really need them!
In the time it's taken me to type this, it's got noticably nastier out there. I was toying with.taking DS for a wet walk but I am worried about flying branches, plus the rain has increased. the biggest difference is that when I went to bed most trees had about half their leaves still on, now they're all bare.

kingbeat23 Mon 29-Oct-12 12:40:27

Found a link to evacuation areas in NYC but can't work out how to paste a link in here (am on iPhone!) it's on WNYC website or put in evacuation areas NYC into google and it should come up.

My DB is in BedStuy and its not an evacuation area but has a shelter. Even so, haven't heard from him so am slightly worried sad

abitcoldupnorth Mon 29-Oct-12 12:43:44

Sounds like you need to stay put and watch lots of Barney, blackcurrants. Flying branches are def. dangerous, as I know from a pretty average gale here a few weeks ago.

Hope you hear from your DB soon kingbeat

wishiwasonholiday Mon 29-Oct-12 12:46:07

Kingbest I think you put [[ link ]]

wishiwasonholiday Mon 29-Oct-12 12:46:27

Kingbeat sorry iPhone autocorrect!

SoggyMoggy Mon 29-Oct-12 12:50:00

A lot of folks are sleeping in, kingbeat, given the day off. Maybe your DBs doing that? It's not quite 9am yet. The worst of the storm is supposed to be at midnightish.

clam Mon 29-Oct-12 12:51:53

I had saved a webcam on the Statue of Liberty in my favourites to see how it was all looking from up there. Needless to say, it's out of action!

mumblechum1 Mon 29-Oct-12 12:54:28

DSs school have finally just sent an email to all parents to say that they're staying put in their Washington hotel until it's safe to move on to NYC. smile

Yep - most people are treating it like a bank holiday monday, given that going outside is unadvisable, nearly everyone is reading the papers on their smartphone in bed, I'll bet!

winnybella Mon 29-Oct-12 12:57:40

Pressure in the eye 946 mb shock
Water already rising close to Irene levels in NYC and storm still over 250 miles out to sea.

clam, try loading again, I just got through on it. The NC webcam at the beach is down again though.

clam Mon 29-Oct-12 13:11:34

Ah, OK, it's back up. Bit wobbly though! Those gusts are catching it. All looks pretty miserable and the hurricane hasn't even arrived yet.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Mon 29-Oct-12 13:12:33

Stay safe Phyllis, blackcurrants and all other MNers and family.

SoggyMoggy Mon 29-Oct-12 13:26:01

Update from my BiL's windowsill in Bear, Delaware. The squeaky duck has escaped Captain Jack Harkness (Weather Channel) and Father Christmas (Now working for CNN) and was last seen being swept away in the wake of a giant cocker spaniel that our meteorologists completely failed to predict. Clearly a fault in our modeling data, there. Sandy the oscillating fan has been switched on to medium, but our staunch weather reporters seem unimpressed so far. No floodwaters are in sight, but a casserole dish full of sand has appeared, so there's no telling what the future holds.

And yes, Thanksgiving dinner with my in laws is very, very weird. How did you guess?

TheCatInTheHairnet Mon 29-Oct-12 13:29:21

Blackcurrants, I just took the dog for a walk while I still could. Hadn't really thought how the wind would be for a 10lb dog! Poor little man ran all the way home!!

MrsJamin, US news LOVE this kind of stuff. They get very dramatic at any weather. If you really are very scared, keep the tv off!

Consils Mon 29-Oct-12 13:30:34

SoggyMoggy grin

SoggyMoggy Mon 29-Oct-12 13:34:59

TheCatInTheHairnet isn't even kidding. I remember Floyd in 1999, the news made it sound like the apocalypse was nigh, and though our parking lot flooded and three local news crews waded into it to do reports, we never even lost power.

SoggyMoggy Mon 29-Oct-12 13:36:46

And then there's Jim Cantore, harbinger of doom - - The Storm God.

kingbeat23 Mon 29-Oct-12 13:46:16

www.wnyc.org/blogs/wnyc-news-blog/2011/aug/26/look-evacuation-map/ ah ha!!! Have just learnt to paste on iPhone!!

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 13:51:59

glad you got an update mumble smile

poor dog TheCat! still, it could be a long time for him to cross his legs!

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 13:57:18

buoy data
closest buoy is showing wave heights of 30ft. (clearly it will be different onshore!)

My old dog won't go out in any rain - she just doesn't approve, and does a Norah Batty- type expression at the thought of it. So we DRAG her out and make her at least walk to the corner of the street, where she does the world's quickest wee and drags us back, making us look like cruel cruel owners smile

Basically, we're fine here, but our dog doesn't approve of having wet toes. Heh. No US weather news service wants to hear that update smile

MooncupGoddess Mon 29-Oct-12 14:02:34

Come come blackcurrants, surely you can provide more drama than that?

Here's some amazing footage of the 1938 New England hurricane:

www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/10/29/the_great_new_england_hurricane_of_1938_video_watch_watch_nyc_s_last_frankenstorm.html

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 14:05:17

Thats amazing mooncup!

SoggyMoggy Mon 29-Oct-12 14:08:41

Or if not blackcurrants, you could just pretend!
Do you own a canoe? (Eventually, yes, the anchors mock her hard for this.) ;)

MrsJamin Mon 29-Oct-12 14:10:12

The TV is firmly off! It makes me more worried every time I switch it on! They are interrupting normal programming with it so you can't just switch off from thinking about it. We are trying to see it as an extra bit of holiday, no kids, listening to music, reading up on the net, sleeping when we like! I think the rest of NYC is doing the same.

helpyourself Mon 29-Oct-12 14:56:00

Morning all! DD and I are in a hotel on the upper west, so far a little blowy out, but it's not even very wet. There are a few shops open locally, so we're about to venture out...

SoSoMamanBebe Mon 29-Oct-12 15:03:49

I was at Battery Park with my friend who lives there last Tuesday. Madness. She has a corner apartment that looks out onto Statue of Liberty and the whole area has been evacuated. The appt is tiny and there was no way way you'd want to be in it with brittle windows. No where to hide at all.

peedoffbird Mon 29-Oct-12 15:04:04

I have been watching Fox News and one thing strikes me. Where was all this aid and hype when the hurricane hit New Orleans? Interesting. However this is New York.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 15:06:20

peedoff, I very much remember all of the coverage in advance of Katrina - I was glued to it. Perhaps it wasnt so covered in the States though?

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 15:09:29

Jeff Masters has updated his blog.

Sandy is intensifying and is now very close to Cat 2 strength.

MrsCantSayAnything Mon 29-Oct-12 15:10:31

What a worry it is. sad I have friends with small DC in NY too...they must be stressed.

MrsJamin Mon 29-Oct-12 15:14:26

Is cat 1 more or less than cat 2? Did you used to be called Bad Kitten?

Cat2 is more powerful that Cat 1 MrsJamin

KnockKnockPenny Mon 29-Oct-12 15:45:30

The storm hasnt even hit yet, and Atlantic City is already under water sad

LadyEvilBeagle Mon 29-Oct-12 15:45:36

Just watching the Press conference live on Sky.
I hope the people that are living in Zone A leave without putting people's lives at risk.
I worry about the homeless and the elderly who may not be getting the message.

Well we've experimented with a trip to the playpark at the end of our block - DS and dog both.going a bit mad with cabin fever! Got about 20 minutes running around time before it started raining hard again and I dragged DS home (dog dragged us both!). Friends in Manhattan say it's not nice outside but okay unless you're in the lowest parts. our old town Hoboken has done more serious evactuating, and things. It's a former Dutch settlement and right on the Hudson, I am glad we're not there.

We lost power for a minute or so, just enough to need to reset everything but thankfully nothing worse.

KnockKnockPenny Mon 29-Oct-12 15:51:59

You can watch the US Weather Channel live here www.wherever.tv/tv-channels/Weather-Channel.jsf

winnybella Mon 29-Oct-12 16:31:49

MrsJamin Did you say you were staying on the 2nd ave and 7th st? What are you worrying about? confused I mean, don't go outside later in the day as there may be debris flying etc but nothing will happen to you where you are. I used to live 3 blocks up, btw [nostalgic]

MrsJamin Mon 29-Oct-12 16:36:41

I am worrying because we're near a hurricane and people are saying its unprecedented - ie its not totally clear what impact on flooding there will be. We may lose power for days and our flight may not leave on weds evening. We will have been away from our boys for a week in total and I miss them awfully sad

MrsJamin Mon 29-Oct-12 16:39:21

This google.org/crisismap/2012-sandy is giving me hope that it won't be too bad here. I just want to go home though. At least we are not stuck at the airport though.

winnybella Mon 29-Oct-12 16:49:06

Oh, ok, sorry, I thought you were scared that the building will collapse or something grin. Hopefully it won't be too bad, I would think flights will resume by Wednesday. Also water won't reach 2nd ave, I don't think. Have fun, I would switch places with you in a heartbeat!
And how's the weather so far?

Viperidae Mon 29-Oct-12 16:54:41

DS is in Manhattan, just got into a hotel on Lexington nr East 51st Street. We're concerned about him and girlfriend as they were supposed to fly yesterday and, by the time they didn't, stores were closing or sold out of most supplies so they don't have much. Hopefully they won't need it.

Have just advised them to not use lifts, keep phones and computers charged, get some cash and sit tight. Have told them to write down important numbers in case phones die and know where nearest shelter is just in case but, hopefully, hotel will look after them.

spamm Mon 29-Oct-12 17:03:17

OK - so ds is at Taekwondo day camp. DH and I are at home watching Foxnews reporting and I am trying to concentrate a do some work.

MrsJamin - I can confirm that the US news channels do make a big deal about ANY weather. We never have a bit of rain, we have Thunderstorms, we never have snow, we have Blizzards. However, I also have to say that the weather can be quite spectacular. However - I worry because I am a homeowner - I worry about the trees, about the basement flooding, about power going out and having to hand pump the basement sump. You do not need to worry anywhere near as much - you will be FINE!

spamm Mon 29-Oct-12 17:04:25

MrsJamin - I missed that part about missing your boys! You poor thing - I can understand that. But you will be home very soon, I am sure!

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 17:08:19

I am badkitten smile tis my halloween name - though its astonishingly appropriate given the circumstances.

cnn blog

Try not to worry about flights yet MrsJ, one day at a time at the moment. You are well prepared. I know you must miss your boys, youll be back home soon and I'm sure they are having a great time. In the mean time, for as long as you can post we can hold your hand and if you lose power and lose contact we'll all be thinking about you, until you can come back online.

Viperdae, very sound advice. the hotel will look after them well. They are very resilient and practical in NY.

MrsJamin Mon 29-Oct-12 17:27:12

Viperidae- your DS will be fine in midtown. Smaller convenience stores are open.

lisad123 Mon 29-Oct-12 17:32:04

My best friends and kids are in New York and we are worried sick sad
Had update earlier today they didn't leave and now are holed up in hotel and waiting out the storm.
My friend really really didn't want to go and I told her she would be ok, that chances of anything happening was unlikely and to go and enjoy herself.
We are just praying they get home safe at some point sad

kingbeat23 Mon 29-Oct-12 17:46:26

Have finally had contact with DB who assures us that it won't be so bad maybe loss of power for a few days. Still worried for him, but what else can you do??

MrsJ and all the others out there hope you're safe xx

vixcyn Mon 29-Oct-12 17:52:33

From my brother in Boston..steady wind and rain. Some trees down, some localised power outages. Things appear a bit worse on Cape Cod,Plum Island..a limitless apprehension for 8p high tide..

vixcyn Mon 29-Oct-12 17:53:00

Ummm..should have been a little apprehension..

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 17:55:28

Good that you heard from him kingbeat.

lisad, it would have been very hard for her to cancel, insurance companies wont pay out because of people being worried. They will get home safe I'm sure.

thanks vixcyn smile

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 17:56:21

limitless apprehension sounded like a good phrase for being very very worried, so I'm glad theres just a little worry1

vixcyn Mon 29-Oct-12 17:59:14

I laughed after I read that...think that shall be new motto for my life!

lisad123 Mon 29-Oct-12 18:01:03

They flew out last week, were due to home on Wednesday. I was hoping they might have got out of NY but guess maybe they thought best to stay put

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 18:57:58

oh ok, understood lisad. What rotten luck.

helpyourself Mon 29-Oct-12 18:58:24

Breaking news on all the channels is a collapsed crane with no casualties. Wetish and blowyish out, but the storms not here yet.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 19:00:28

oh dear helpyourself. Glad there were no casualties.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 19:02:06

first picture
what do I always say in severe wind weather.....? tether those trampolines!

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 19:02:37

scary pic of broken crane too.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 19:14:06

If any one is worried that they cant get through to friends/family, there are power outtages already.

click on the map to see around the NY area.
They may also cut power temporarily to lower manhattan according to some news sources to protect the power equipment as a lot of it is in basements and vulnerable to floods.

ScarePhyllis Mon 29-Oct-12 19:16:05

It's just very grey and wet here at the moment. We're not supposed to get anything dramatic until tonight.

soggymoggy is that your usual name or is in honour of the occasion?

The wind and rain.are.worse. DH and I are eating sweeties and playing Xbox together while DS naps. I could be ironing or doing paperwork but this is so much more fun! Good energy busting ideas for a toddler who can't go outside? So far I am planning a blanket fort and a dance-off. .

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 19:34:42

A 'dont touch the ground' obstacle course.
hide and seek
ermm...
visiting the zoo where the toys are the animals and you can make a map and binoculars.
mo point in doing paperwork. Extra strong gust and it might all blow away and then it would be wasted effort.

That's what I thought smile our neighbour downstairs is an emergency responder, his truck has just driven off. DS is having a supersonic nap.and I am going to watch some dvds. my FB page is full of people posting the view from their window.and satirizing the news sensationalism. It.genuinely is nasty out there, but people who stay inside are pretty.safe.

Annunziata Mon 29-Oct-12 19:59:13

We have family in New Jersey sad

Hope everyone gets through okay.

spamm Mon 29-Oct-12 19:59:57

Dh has just taken the dog for his evening walk - I hope he does not blow away! The dog is not going to like it - at all! It is getting windy and school has been cancelled for tomorrow as well. DH or I walk through the house every hour or so, just checking windows and things. All fine for now. I have filled some saucepans with water and I am running the dishwasher now, so we do not try and do it later.

Facebook friends are talking about sleeping in bathtubs - but we are just thinking of sleeping in the basement - I hope that is good enough, that is where we hid during the Derecho. When DH gets back I am going to make him get the camping lanterns out so we have them ready. Uuugh - this is not fun!

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 20:00:05

Some possibly good news, I've read that the storm is perhaps coming in faster than expected. If that is true then hopefully the surge won't coincide with peak tide.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 20:02:03

Sleeping in the bath tub would be very uncomfy and I don't think the wind speeds are going to get that bad? Though I know they are very high.

VivaLeBeaver Mon 29-Oct-12 20:07:52

Atlantic city

Hurricane webcam here but you can't see much!

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 20:08:33

Tis only 55 miles off shore, I'm sure that's earlier than expected smile I am cautiously optimistic that this might mean that the flooding may not be as bad as feared in NY.

lubeybooby Mon 29-Oct-12 20:11:37

It does seem to have sped up. At one point I noticed it was moving at 10mph, last I saw it had increased to 28mph. I do hope that works out a bit better than expected then.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 20:12:15

If I'm correct and I may well not be!!!!! peak storm surge should hit two hours before high tide in ny.

peedoffbird Mon 29-Oct-12 20:14:49

I have family in New Jersey and also Connecticut. My cousin is always on FB but no sign of him. Worrying.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 20:16:27

Peedoff, might he have lost power already?

OYBBK, that seems to be what friends on the ground are being told too.

lisad123 Mon 29-Oct-12 20:19:41

I'm hoping that they moved friends lower down in hotel, think they were floor 80!
Hoping its not as bad as predicted and all are ok and safe x

lisad123 Mon 29-Oct-12 20:20:18

Power will go first, so don't panic yet.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 20:20:54

Half a million people are without power already according to CBS.

CMOTDibbler Mon 29-Oct-12 20:29:44

I'm in Boston atm - it is vv windy and raining, but the power is fine. No buses running, and taxis have stopped too.
The hotel is full of people from the conference I am at (sessions stopped at 1 so people could get back to their hotels) getting riotously drunk grin

vixcyn Mon 29-Oct-12 20:30:21

My brother has lost half his roof..and he is on a 16 hour shift sad...I am so sad...his his is over 150 yrs..

vixcyn Mon 29-Oct-12 20:30:49

I should say his home is just outside of Boston..

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 20:32:14

Oh crumbs vixcyn sad

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 20:32:47

Cmot, should we all get drunk in solidarity?

vixcyn Mon 29-Oct-12 20:37:22

Oh Big Bad, I am so upset and helpless..he is worried for his dogs...if safe the neighbours are going to get them...off to cry..and have a nip...

YoureAboutToBeBittenByMe Mon 29-Oct-12 20:41:22

I hope everyone stays safe. Never been to the US, am watching some scary weather on the live webcams.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 20:47:15

Oh vixcyn sad I'm sorry, (feel bad for my flippant comment) I'm sure the neighbours will be able to get to the dogs and dogs are very resilient anyway. It's awful for your brother but everyone will rally round and look after him.

Thank you as always OYBBK for this thread. I was just looking for one.
I can't imagine what these poor people must be feeling, knowing and planning for such a terrible event.

Special hand hold for vixcyn and cutmyownthroatDIBBLER

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 20:48:50

You are very welcome norks. It's awful that the models were so accurate this time.

vixcyn Mon 29-Oct-12 20:49:18

Thank you all..my other brother and BIL are going to get dogs, secure house and remove valuables. Traveling is tough though I guess.

So.sorry about your brother's roof, vixcyn - that is.very sad.

TalkinPeace2 Mon 29-Oct-12 20:50:11

I have family in NYC whose windows face the evacuation zone, even though the door to the building is in Zone B.
During Irene they lost four windows....

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 20:50:40

Good. I hope they can get there quickly and safely.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 20:53:02

Talkinpeace, I hope they stay secure this time. Do they have internal rooms they can move to?

TalkinPeace2 Mon 29-Oct-12 20:54:34

No. Its a small apartment.
He would normally decamp to a friend's house - but cannot take the cat ....

vixcyn Mon 29-Oct-12 20:55:09

I hate being so far from my brothers at times like this. Probably, better as I am very emotional, and they are STOIC!

MoreBeta Mon 29-Oct-12 20:56:45

The danger hours are between 7 and 10 tonight NYK time at high tide when the storm is going to simultaneoulsy hit the shore.

It is said the storm surge will be 10 -12 feet and the defences are only 5 feet. Some of the NYK subway will likely flood. Con Ed the local electric company say there will be huge electric outages and 6500 buildings in NYK out of power.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 20:59:03

Talkin, if it got very bad perhaps he could go in the stairwell?
Pets do complicate things, I've been wondering what I'd do with my menagerie if we had to evacuate like that.

Vixcyn. Understood. They do sound like people who will cope very well with this.

TalkinPeace2 Mon 29-Oct-12 21:00:09

vixcyn My dad's pretty stoic too ... then again he was on Wall Street in 2001. You are more use to your family as a calm sounding board ....

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 21:04:10

Morebeta, is that new info because it does look like the storm is going to reach the shores a couple of hours earlier than expected (I think)

vixcyn Mon 29-Oct-12 21:05:19

Indeed..I am having tea, and posting on the board.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 21:06:21

Tea is always useful I find.

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Mon 29-Oct-12 21:07:18

Another brother in NYC here. He just updated Facebook "Where I come from, we call this summer".

Cocky fecker!

vixcyn Mon 29-Oct-12 21:10:02

Ohhhh...HoldMe!! Too funny!

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 21:10:10

Lol holdme!

Atlantic city is flooded now ( telegraph renamed it Atlantis)

vixcyn Mon 29-Oct-12 21:10:53

I want to thank OYBBB, for starting this thread and being ringmaster...

PipinJo Mon 29-Oct-12 21:14:11

Does anyone know if New Jersey is effected?
I have second cousins their and my mum wanted to know if they were evacuated too?

Hope everyone one here remain safe and dry. It looks terrifying!

vixcyn Mon 29-Oct-12 21:16:59

I think NJ might be one of the hardest hit...I am only receiving news out of Massachusetts, though..

TalkinPeace2 Mon 29-Oct-12 21:17:45
vixcyn Mon 29-Oct-12 21:17:52

I think I can say without reservation...SANDY IS A BITCH!

spamm Mon 29-Oct-12 21:18:04

Vixcyn - sorry to hear about your brother - I hope his dogs and family are safe. Everything else is replaceable - I keep on telling myself that, just in case something happens tonight!

Anyway, taking advantage of having very little to actually do by cleaning my washing machine. I cannot tell people that on facebook - they will think that I am completely nuts, and they know me. It has got noticeably worse here in Northern Virginia - strong wings and heavy rain. I have not got the news channel on, as ds is watching tv and I want to keep him distracted. I picked him up from day camp and he was the only kid left - so had a private Taekwondo lesson with the Master from Korea and said :" That was the best day ever!"

Driving home, I detoured round the neighborhood and all the creeks are filling up - and we have not had half the rain yet! Yikes!

Stay safe!

YoureAboutToBeBittenByMe Mon 29-Oct-12 21:18:54

I have been watching this webcam for the last hour. Over which it has got noticeably worse. It's terrifying to watch and there are still people occasionally walking past! - although the police have just been and gone presumably to tell them not to be so stoopid!

pointyfangs Mon 29-Oct-12 21:20:01

DH has family in NJ and Philadelphia, and a friend in Maine. We are worried (though none of them are near the sea).

PrincessOfChina Mon 29-Oct-12 21:20:36

My brother is holed up in the hotel bar by all accounts. They've been for a blustery wander earlier today but will ride it out indoors now.

My mum is worried sick and just asked me why they didn't cancel all the flights so he couldn't go. I did point out that was ridiculous and a bit nanny state esque! I've managed to convince her the Empire State Building is unlikely to fall on his head.

In fact, I inspect the biggest problem he'll have tomorrow is the size of his hangover!

Oh hold on...he just text me...wants to know the football score!

kaumana Mon 29-Oct-12 21:22:06

I've cousins and friends in NJ. Those in Tom's River were evacuated. Hoboken has warnings re evacuating ground levels.

PipinJo Mon 29-Oct-12 21:29:09

Thank you vixcyn, I hope they have left NJ.
Sorry about your brother and I hope they get back safe with the dogs soon. (((vixcyn)))
My mum's friend's child is in NY with school and cant get home due to no flights (was due home this morning).

TessOfTheBurbervilles Mon 29-Oct-12 21:32:50

I've got family on Long Island (New York), they were in the evacuation zone, and are in an evacuation centre.

The last time I heard anything, my cousin had said she had seen a picture on the news of their home town, and the water is already higher then it was after Hurricane Irene had done her worst. In my cousin's words, "if this is how bad the water is before the storm has hit land, then there is no doubt our house will flood."

The house is built on raised foundations, but it only withstands flooding up to a certain level, and the water is already almost at that level.

I feel so desperately sad for them, and all of those who will suffer.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 21:33:07

Not a problem vixcyn.

Talkin, that's not so great.

TalkinPeace2 Mon 29-Oct-12 21:37:10

I just wonder when the Climate Change deniers will wake up and realise that unless they act NOW, this will be a monthly occurrence ....
The sea level IS rising, the weather systems ARE getting more energetic.
Parts of the Eastern Seaboard could be rendered uninhabitable OR require multi multi billion dollar flood defences....

It will also be interesting to see who makes what political capital out of this misery.
And whether Mitt Romney will stick with his plans of wanting to reduce the funding of FEMA.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 21:38:31

I wonder how close the subways are now to flooding. Apparently Irene was within a foot of flooding them, and if this is already higher, it doesn't bode so well. Going to be a real nuisance if it does.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 21:41:18

There have been concerns certainly that sea levels are rising faster than expected rates around the eastern seaboard.

TalkinPeace2 Mon 29-Oct-12 21:41:49

Subways should be OK. That is why they shut them early to get sand bags and boards across all the entrances ....

helpyourself Mon 29-Oct-12 21:42:01

News just said that it's worse than hurricane Irene; definitely getting worse outside. Not sure about the subway- its been closed since 6pm yesterday.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 21:42:16

Talkin re FEMA, I guess it depends on how they cope over the next week!

TalkinPeace2 Mon 29-Oct-12 21:43:47

It will be worse than Irene - it coincides with full moon high tide AND a storm from the North east that has piled up water against the coast
therefore the water would be five or six feet higher even if the hurricane was identical to Irene
but the ambient water temperature is higher so the winds will keep their speed for longer

I just spoke to my aunt in Toms River kaumana, and she has not been evacuated, so thats odd. Her son lives nearer the beach at Point Pleasant, and they lost electricity many hours ago. My aunt said she went to the store on the corner very early this am her time and thought she would never get back with the wind - and thats 8 hours before it even hits.

Another cousin is apparently in his boarded up house on Long Island in the basement!

I would hate to be there thats for sure.

lisad123 Mon 29-Oct-12 21:46:07

The news is saying the storm is about to hit. No one can now leave and there is no one coming to help people leave either sad
Prayers and thoughts for all those there and those with families and friends there sad

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 21:46:10

And it's also being fed a cold feed from the north giving it extra oomph. Really and truly a hybrid monster.

It will be interesting to see how Obama deals with this - the week before the election. Apparently the plans for evacuation etc have been very well organised. No one could possibly fuck it up like Bush did with Katrina though could they?

StripyShoes Mon 29-Oct-12 21:50:08

Michael Bloomberg is on the weather channel doing a live update. He is reminding people that trees with leaves hold water and are therefore heavier. Really? Do people need telling this? Isnt it obvious? People are apparently calling the wrong number for downed trees and flooding which is clogging the 911 switchboard sad

TalkinPeace2 Mon 29-Oct-12 21:50:38

The evacuation systems in New York are absolutely clear.
ConEd have hundreds of trucks on high ground ready to roll.
The subways were shut and sandbagged before the water rose
FEMA learned their lesson and Bloomberg is a decisive person.

StripyShoes Mon 29-Oct-12 21:54:00

NO, He seemed good. I was just shocked that he was telling people the basics. I would have thought common sens would have guided them to stay in side, stay away from tress etc. They seem to be very well prepared.

MoreBeta Mon 29-Oct-12 21:55:06

Mayor Bloomberg is doing a very good job.

PipinJo Mon 29-Oct-12 21:55:22

kaumana thanks, I don't know know name only closest NJ part to NY. But sounds bad what ever part.

TalkinPeace2 Mon 29-Oct-12 21:55:26

"Common sense" Hmmm. If it was the UK, how many twits would be out on the sea walls trying to get pictures ....
Some of the pictures of people wading through surging floodwaters .....

helpyourself Mon 29-Oct-12 21:57:51

I predict it'll be falling branches and power outages that cause the biggest problems, but that's based on a tourist's view. There have been evacuations around the broken crane near the wtc site and around Battery Park at the bottom of Manhattan.
badkitten they said the eye of the storm has disappeared- is that bad?

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 21:57:51

Stripy, I think people just need to hear reassuring stuff that they've already thought of. No point in advising them of something that they can't possibly fix in the height of the storm.

I think high tide at The Battery isn't for another 3 hours and its is at almost 9ft already.

yeah apparently there were idiots at Point Pleasant beach this morning trying to surf! they were arrested

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 21:59:17

Helpyourself, it means its transitioning to an extra-tropical storm, so now it's probably not technically a hurricane. Doesn't mean it's any weaker though and indeed is likely to be even a bit stronger for a while.

StripyShoes Mon 29-Oct-12 22:01:01

sad I wasnt having a go at Bloomberg! I was just surprised. but yes, OYBBK I think that is probably right.

HoldMeCloserTonyDanza Mon 29-Oct-12 22:12:53

Somebody asked about New Jersey - I also have family there. They still have power but are expecting it to go very shortly. Hopefully only for 24 hours or so.

alcibiades Mon 29-Oct-12 22:13:09

I hope people don't get confused by the fact that it's no longer a hurricane and think it's all over. It is still a huge storm system.

There's an indication as to its size on the BBC site: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20123703 - scroll down to see what it looks like superimposed on Europe.

happychappy Mon 29-Oct-12 22:17:46

All so worrying on so many levels. Not a religious person but I won't sleep well tonight thinking about it all and have made a prayer that it's not as bad as it all looks right now.

kingbeat23 Mon 29-Oct-12 22:20:59

Another update from DB, humour this time and with friends so a bit happier, but not much xx

lisad123 Mon 29-Oct-12 22:23:15

Text from other best friends who are now in charge of updating all the friends and relatives of our friends.
They are in their hotel, safe and waiting for storm to come and hope its over by morning. Bags packed just in case sad

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 22:23:21

Water has apparently reached 10.5ft at The Battery, which I think is now at the point where it will be breached and risk flooding the subway. Still more water to come too.

CointreauVersial Mon 29-Oct-12 22:24:38

Poor old Ocean City, Maryland; I lived and worked there for a few months. The whole place is basically a sand spit; I can't imagine what a storm surge will do to the place.

To those of you affected - hope you are OK.

whatchagonna Mon 29-Oct-12 22:25:45

We're in central Brooklyn and there are some trees down and a few power outages, but nothing too serious here yet. Meant to get worse overnight though and the wind has definitely strengthened over the course of the afternoon.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 22:29:26

You can look at the graph of the rising water here

helpyourself Mon 29-Oct-12 22:32:17

Just spoke to a friend half an hour north of Manhattan and they've lost power.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 22:33:39

Hope they get it back soon helpyourself.

SoggyMoggy Mon 29-Oct-12 22:40:26

Just got back from work. OBiL in DE says he's surprised as they still have power, but they've had a couple of power flickers. The sump pump is soldiering on, though they've cleared the basement.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 22:42:42

Sounds like a sensible precaution!

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Mon 29-Oct-12 22:43:49

Vixcyn sorry about your brother's roof.

Hassled Mon 29-Oct-12 22:45:47

DB in Manhattan - he's fine, well stocked. Says it's insanely windy already, and storm centre still a couple hundred miles away. The BBC pictures of the crane at 5th and W57th were scary.

SoggyMoggy Mon 29-Oct-12 22:46:10

Oh, and they've had a tree go down. Apparently the dog really, really wanted to try and fetch the tree into the house and is sulking because this was physically impossible not allowed.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 22:50:54

I think that what was the eye has reached the coast now? If you look at this you can see the pressure just starting to rise.
Water still rising unfortunately.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 22:53:40

The Battery now at 10.7 ft.

SoggyMoggy Mon 29-Oct-12 22:57:53

A Weather Channel reporter has just cautioned people against standing on the beach and taking pictures ... while standing on the beach taking pictures.

ProcrastinationStation Mon 29-Oct-12 22:59:48

FDNY twitter feed has just reported a collapsed multi dwelling building at 8th Ave shock

lisad123 Mon 29-Oct-12 23:00:24

Please no sad

Hassled Mon 29-Oct-12 23:00:57

Bloody hell.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 23:02:18

Oh hell. I hope that's not true.

ProcrastinationStation Mon 29-Oct-12 23:03:04

it has come up on the bbc news live text feed sadbbc (hopefully this is the right link)

lisad123 Mon 29-Oct-12 23:03:11

They have found one of the missing crew but she is unresponsive sad

ProcrastinationStation Mon 29-Oct-12 23:03:46

it is right at the top of the text feed

The storm has arrived, it's loud now and we've had some brief powercuts. DH and I just rummaged for torches, led lamps.and candles (less good.because of climbing toddler) and have turned the house heat up and the fridge and freezer temps down! As long as we don't. loose power for more than.12 hours we.shouldn't have to Chuck everything in the freezer.
Our dog is clingy and nervous, our son totally happy and oblivious! Hope.everyone else is ok.

winnybella Mon 29-Oct-12 23:06:19

WHAT???

m0nkeynuts Mon 29-Oct-12 23:09:13

According to BBC site now:
1907: New York fire officials have told the BBC that the building collapse reported on its Twitter feed was in fact "partial facade damage" to the building, and not a full collapse. Nobody was injured in the incident.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 23:10:05

Bbc24 talk such rubbish, I wish they were actually keeping up with events. Retiring to bed with iPad.

lisad123 Mon 29-Oct-12 23:10:56

Thank goodness for that. It's weird they keep talking about eye of the storm, but I always thought the eye, while the centre, is the calmest part. Surely then the edge of storm is most dangerous?

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 23:10:58

X-post, I didn't mean about the building collapse, I meant about where and when the worst weather will be.

lisad123 Mon 29-Oct-12 23:12:44

Fox News staying four story apartment has caught fire and collapsed sad

VivaLeBeaver Mon 29-Oct-12 23:13:24

Flight radar website looks odd with no planes on the eastern seaboard.

stretch Mon 29-Oct-12 23:13:53

Good god, just watched the weather channel and the reporter in Stonington shock what the hell was he doing?? Surely you can't stay upright in that? Not sure what time it was.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 23:14:04

Exactly Lisad- not the outer edges but closer in around the eye wall. Also the rain bands tend to be areas of more severe weather.

lisad123 Mon 29-Oct-12 23:14:09

Pictures on news show apartment with front missing and roof in, but doesn't look too bad confused

SoggyMoggy Mon 29-Oct-12 23:17:06

Stretch, did you notice his hat? It was still on. I was kind of stunned.

stretch Mon 29-Oct-12 23:22:06

It froze half way through, so I hope he's ok. God knows how his hat stayed on. He could barely stand {confused]

MoreBeta Mon 29-Oct-12 23:23:21

Con Ed just cut power to parts of Lower Manhatten so people are now in darkness - hopefully none in a lift.

lisad123 Mon 29-Oct-12 23:25:46

Why can I see people on the webcam, out on beach filming with mobile!! Madness

LineRunner Mon 29-Oct-12 23:25:58

Viva, I just looked on Flight Radar with DS. Not a sight we thought we'd ever see - a flightless eastern seaboard.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 23:31:23

The Battery is now at 11.9ft. I believe that is over a ft above the record in 1960.

winnybella Mon 29-Oct-12 23:31:35

Which webacam, lisa123? I can't seem to get any of them to load.

BuntyPenfold Mon 29-Oct-12 23:31:57

The Times Square webcams show people wandering about as usual. Two little girls just gave a display of Irish dancing for the webcam.

winnybella Mon 29-Oct-12 23:32:22

BBC say the record was 11.2 in 1821.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 23:32:45

Apparently all time record was 11.2ft in 1821 according to bbc.

SoggyMoggy Mon 29-Oct-12 23:34:03

Okay, it's official, this must be serious ... They closed the WaWas.

lisad123 Mon 29-Oct-12 23:35:42

here but cuts in and out. Police came and moved them on.

lighthousekeeping Mon 29-Oct-12 23:35:51

My friends are there for the weekend. Can't get intouch with them. The last I heard they were been evacuated from their hotel. Can't see that much on the ordinary news channels.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 23:37:49

They may be out of power lighthouse.
Sandy now officially extra tropical. I think that the worst of the winds may still be to come for NY.

lisad123 Mon 29-Oct-12 23:38:24

Manhattan is flooding and water levels at 11 ft sad

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 23:38:40

Soggy ??

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 23:39:27

Lol winny, just saw our xpost!

ScarePhyllis Mon 29-Oct-12 23:40:53

The county next door to mine has declared a state of emergency hmm. My county is doing sod all. NYSEG is showing 58,000 customers without power in NY, mostly along the Southern Tier bordering PA. But they do have a reassuring picture of a man in an orange uniform on their website, so that is OK then.

Just dark, soggy and gusting so far up here in the Southern Tier.

"Police came and moved them on."

People are so selfish aren't they? sad

SoggyMoggy Mon 29-Oct-12 23:45:48

Sorry, I guess that made limited sense. WaWa is a convenience store chain in the region. It tends to be the last thing to shut down. As in most were still officially open up until fifteen minutes ago.

In the South East we use Waffle Houses. The Federal Emergency Management Agency even keeps track of which waffle Houses are open or closed to indicate the severity of a situation.

winnybella Mon 29-Oct-12 23:48:49

Water up by a foot in last 30 minutes at Battery and still got about a foot with a high tide and they don't think th storm surge is over yet.

OhYouBigBadBeast Mon 29-Oct-12 23:48:49

smile soggy.

Over 3 million without power now. The battery up to 12.5 ft.

winnybella Mon 29-Oct-12 23:49:09

still got a foot to go with the tide, I mean

winnybella Mon 29-Oct-12 23:50:44

So you think there's more wind to come to NY, OYBBK? On webcams Midtown Manhattan looks calm (ish).

SoggyMoggy Mon 29-Oct-12 23:51:58

By way of comparison, neither Floyd nor Irene triggered a generalized WaWa shutdown.

lisad123 Mon 29-Oct-12 23:54:37

Not wanting to go to bed for fear of what I might wake too

LineRunner Mon 29-Oct-12 23:59:45

Will this affect the presidential election?

lisad123 Tue 30-Oct-12 00:02:58

Sandy has landed in NJ and 3 foot of water sad

SoggyMoggy Tue 30-Oct-12 00:04:08

Possibly, LineRunner. It's definitely being politicized.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 00:04:25

I do winny. Unfortunately..

Line runner, I expect so but in what way only time will tell.
Tide site slowing down but last height 12.93

ScarePhyllis Tue 30-Oct-12 00:04:49

Not sure as I don't vote, but don't a lot of places use those electronic machines for voting? If power is out in lots of places that could affect things. Plus people being displaced etc.

PipinJo Tue 30-Oct-12 00:06:58

With the amount of evacuation and 94MH winds in Long Island...why is it a cat 1? Should it not be higher?
The lady keeps saying on CNN 'all the Starbucks are shut' They must be everywhere sounds odd to me! Fair enough if it was the hospitals!

LineRunner Tue 30-Oct-12 00:07:06

I'm also thinking about the logistics of voting. How do you run polling stations in areas of such huge disruption and the inevitable aftermath?

ScarePhyllis Tue 30-Oct-12 00:10:21

I don't know if the election date has ever been postponed due to an emergency. Possibly not.

Anyway, some analysis here.

SoggyMoggy Tue 30-Oct-12 00:10:26

Of the states effected, Virginia and New Hampshire are battleground states.

PipinJo Tue 30-Oct-12 00:11:00

millions without power...are the elections this week? They will have to cancel surely!

ScarePhyllis Tue 30-Oct-12 00:17:13

The chances of Romney saying something idiotic about the storm and looking like a complete plank right before the election are high, TBH. He's so politically tone-deaf. And in the meantime Obama can do stuff and look presidential. Which would suit me fine.

winny, I'm in midtown and it doesn't feel very calm her smile

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 00:18:35

Pipinjo, a hurricane has certain characteristics like a defined eye etc. it doesn't meet those anymore but a storm doesn't have to be a hurricane to be deadly and I think it may have intensified as it lost its hurricane status.

SoggyMoggy Tue 30-Oct-12 00:19:03

Next week, and overall cancellation or postponement is highly unlikely on the wider scale. Technically, individual states have very limited power to delay election if the entire state is without the ability to hold an election. But that will be individual states, not the country as a whole. And any delay is likely to be met with significant challenges in court.

It's kind of surreal.

lisad123 Tue 30-Oct-12 00:20:19

I'm having to go to bed and hope your all safe tonight and please keep updates coming. X

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 00:21:17

I don't think they will postphone the elections. They have early voting so in the states where theres still an issue if there is an issue, they will go with the votes already cast.

LineRunner Tue 30-Oct-12 00:21:47

This is Obama's test. I hope he succeeds. Good luck everybody.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 00:22:10

The battery up to 13.26

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 00:23:06

That's my take on the election anyway, could well be wrong!

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 00:23:32

Goodnight Lisad.

PipinJo Tue 30-Oct-12 00:25:44

Ohyoubig...it should be a new 10! Its longer than the UK and effecting more people than actually live in UK! That is just frightening..is this down to global warming?

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 00:31:43

You can't put any individual event down to climate change but I believe that models do suggest that bigger storms may happen more often

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 00:32:43

US contingent very quiet this evening, perhaps due to power cuts in part??

SoggyMoggy Tue 30-Oct-12 00:36:10

Crazy BiL Update: BiL and his neighbor have used a chainsaw to cut up chunks of the fallen tree where it was threatening to block important anti-flood drainage. The dog has been allowed to drag a chunk of the tree into the house. Dog is vv smug.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 00:37:57

Flooding in one of the tunnels now.

Glad dog is happy!

PipinJo Tue 30-Oct-12 00:39:02

Where are you to OhYouBig? Are you safe? Hope everyone is and power and tide goes out soon. Is Battery 13 inches? Hope vixcyn brother and BIL got out from house ok?

helpyourself Tue 30-Oct-12 00:44:36

pipin I think Battery is 13 feet inland from its normal shore.
grin at happy dog!

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 00:49:53

Pipin, I am tucked up in bed in the south of England, so pretty much safe smile

Battery water height 13.54 ft

spamm Tue 30-Oct-12 00:50:30

As part of the East Coast US contingent, I am quite quiet because I find ths scary, so am hiding in the basement with Ds watching Spy Kids number 437. We still have power, but have camping lanterns at the ready and wine for emergencies.

PipinJo Tue 30-Oct-12 00:50:50

Oh I see eek! So sea level has raised 13 feet already thanks help.
How long do the hospitals generators last for re power cut off in these areas? This is worrying for seriously ill in hospital too that need powered machines.

How are people going to get to hospitals to work to take over to care for the sick and injured etc? Same with police/firefighters

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 00:50:53

I'm going to have to give in and sleep I'm afraid.
Thinking of those of you out there. Stay safe.

helpyourself Tue 30-Oct-12 00:51:34

What does that mean badkitten that it's 13 feet higher than normal, or 13 feet inshore?

spamm Tue 30-Oct-12 00:53:47

Oh - and my pre storm preparations were quite good, except for forgetting the microwave popcorn.

And you know things are serious when they close the gym. The gym opens at 4.30am and is open til late - but closed at 4pm today. Nowhere for the posers and testosterone to go!

vixcyn Tue 30-Oct-12 00:54:06

Just wanted to say, my brother's dogs are happily in bed with my other brother and SIL. His house will need attention. Many many trees down, power outages, schools in Massachusetts called off for Tuesday..

SoggyMoggy Tue 30-Oct-12 00:54:35

The generators last as long as the gasoline lasts, generally. Most hospitals in the area have significant fuel reserves.

PipinJo Tue 30-Oct-12 00:55:23

oh good sorry I thought you were in NJ OhYouBig? Glad your not....spamm the wine reserves a must! Have you filled your bath with tap water? That is a good idea just incase! I know what you mean the 'calm' before the storm..hope it isnt and goes straight back out into the sea.

PipinJo Tue 30-Oct-12 00:57:51

vixcyn so glad to hear your brother,BIL and dog safe!
Soggy that is good to hear as in UK I reckon they have 4 hours reserve and possibly dont run on gasoline it is good to know they are well prepared!

SoggyMoggy Tue 30-Oct-12 00:58:30

BiL's power is out. He has crank generator for iphone and pedal gen for sump pump, and plenty of firewood.

vixcyn Tue 30-Oct-12 00:59:47

Thanks Pipinjo...I worry so much.

mathanxiety Tue 30-Oct-12 01:05:44

DD1 reported it's like a really bad thunderstorm in DC. They are expecting power cuts and she and the roomies have bought (scented) candles biscuit and matches, plus gallons of water, bread and cans of tuna and candy (shops full of candy coming up to Hallowe'en...) and [good thinking] a can opener.

Her bf's family are in NJ and I hope they are ok. Thinking of everyone on the east coast..

PipinJo Tue 30-Oct-12 01:06:39

(((vixcyn))) you must be so proud of your brother esp times like this as tough job! The worry must have been unbearable try and relax and have a wine
Soggy your BIL sounds like a scientist and can survive anything!

SoggyMoggy Tue 30-Oct-12 01:08:07

Hah! Can opener is indeed a good idea. Sounds like good buys all around.

vixcyn Tue 30-Oct-12 01:08:36

Oh, I have been gulping tea all night! I expect I shall be in and out of the loo until dawn!

PipinJo Tue 30-Oct-12 01:08:47

math sorry grin re scented candles

SoggyMoggy Tue 30-Oct-12 01:10:29

PipinJo: Yep, he's an engineer. And he used to live in Florida, solidly in the heart of hurricane country. So he and his partner have experience with this kind of thing.

mathanxiety Tue 30-Oct-12 01:10:40

Expecting big storm surge on Chicago's Lake Michigan shoreline as the wind will be at 50 mph all day Tuesday across the lake. Waves will be 18 to 23 feet.

TanteRose Tue 30-Oct-12 01:12:32

just keeping an eye on this thread.

Hope everyone is OK

math glad your DD and her friends have got supplies smile

we have strong typhoons here in Japan (same weather phenomenon as a hurricane but they call them typhoons if they are in the Pacific) - scary stuff.

When the eye passes over, it is quite extraordinary - during the day, the wind suddenly drops to nothing, and the sun comes out for about a minute and a half (depending on the speed of the typhoon) and then, whoosh, the wind and rain start up again with avengeance

although from what OYBBK was saying, Sandy now has no defined eye so it will be relentless sad

mathanxiety Tue 30-Oct-12 01:13:11

PipinJo -- I LOL'd too -- they reckon they will use them again when the storm blows over. Plus why bother with cheapo tallow candles when you can spend your first real money on a dozen big Yankee Candles and enjoy the hurricane in style...

mamas12 Tue 30-Oct-12 01:13:20

I can't stop watching the news. Ds is there stuck with a school trip in hotel on 8th Avenue. sigh no news is good news eh

PipinJo Tue 30-Oct-12 01:17:11

vixcyn where are you? Are you in US? I guess you wont sleep knowing your brother has to go out in this weather...keep the teapot warm.
Soggy are you in US too? So this is a light breeze kinda for your BIL!
Math hope your dd is safe and she has good food very sensible!

TanteRose Tue 30-Oct-12 01:17:45

shock at waves on a lake being 18 to 23 feet high - bloody hell! (I know Lake Michigan is huge, but still...)

SoggyMoggy Tue 30-Oct-12 01:18:53

Those Yankee Candles are actually ideal, I swear. They don't knock over easily or drip wax everywhere. Plus, they last ages and ages and cast a pretty decent amount of light.

There is a significant downside though. iif the storm is really prolonged it's easy to end up associating the smell with the memory. I can't smell cookies baking anymore without thinking of Katrina. grin

vixcyn Tue 30-Oct-12 01:19:12

Pipinjo..my brothers and most family are in Boston..sadly, I am the one far away! I am always up v late though..

LineRunner Tue 30-Oct-12 01:21:08

Hey, mamas12, your DS will a heck of a story to tell when he comes home.

SoggyMoggy Tue 30-Oct-12 01:21:44

Yep, I'm in the US. But I'm in Texas at the moment. The weather here is just fine. But yeah, BiL's used to this sort of mess.

NapOfTheDamned Tue 30-Oct-12 01:23:13

Top tips from hurricane and powercut island over here:

Turn the fridge freezer up to max now and fill it with bottles of water so it is full. It will keep it colder longer, and you can drink the water.

Tape the fridge freezer up you dont open it absentmindedly and it stays cooler longer.

If your house floods, inside dishwasher and washing machine can be good place to store documents in ziplock bags, double bagged and taped. Then use further duct tape on appliance seal.

Why? Well,they are heavy and waterproof. So stuff inside is likely to stay dry.

Thoughts with everyone in the dark...

PipinJo Tue 30-Oct-12 01:28:12

(((mamas12))) they will stay safe in hotel until it is all over, not that is stopping you being worried naturally. Lots of people walking round NY (Times Square?) still on news so that is good? Seems to be lots of trips of schools from UK to NY this week esp being half term? Thought they would do it on school week? My mum's friend's dd was due home this morning from NY school trip too. Hope you hear from your ds soon.

NapOfTheDamned Tue 30-Oct-12 01:30:30

Bit late now but here's the definitive hurricane preparedness thing I always check when the Caribbean storm season kicks off. One more month to go here.
We were lucky, as Sandy missed us by 160 miles. Still got 9 foot waves though.

Blog on how to prep for a hurricane...

PipinJo Tue 30-Oct-12 01:40:19

Soggy so this is your BIL's fault the weather is following him grin

Vixcyn/Soggy/mama12/Math it is hard as you can't just go and help so frustrating too but massive (((HUGS))) whilst you all wait for communication again with your loved ones and this all to wash back out v v soon.

SoggyMoggy Tue 30-Oct-12 01:42:45

Hah! That's it, he's cursed!

SoggyMoggy Tue 30-Oct-12 01:53:18

Okay, more craziness to share. Neighbor lady came to borrow a flashlight from OBil, v embarrassed. Power went out, and she went to the drawer to get out the flashlight, gave a twist and it went BRRRRRRRRRR. Turns out what she thought was a flashlight was a sex toy, and she needed to borrow OBiL's light to search for the actual flashlight.

PipinJo Tue 30-Oct-12 01:58:02

I have just spat mouth full of coffee all over keyboard LOL I can imagine she is not the only lady to that tonight wink

PipinJo Tue 30-Oct-12 02:13:00

Just re read that NOT ME!!!

I meant the women in the power cuts blush

News said waters are starting to drop Yipppeeee!

SoggyMoggy Tue 30-Oct-12 02:24:57

Yay dropping waters!

PipinJo Tue 30-Oct-12 02:30:32

I can go to bed now! phewie!
Soggy you can breathe out now with relief!
Night all still stay safe and dry.

SoggyMoggy Tue 30-Oct-12 03:04:52

NYU Hospital generator had a fault. They're reportedly manually bagging pediatric ventilator patients. sad

ElaineBenes Tue 30-Oct-12 03:47:10

I'm in NYC. All ok here where we are, even have electricity although lights are flickering so not sure itll last and we have a fallen tree blocking our road. I think we've been through the worst. It did get a bit scary a couple of hours ago but it's calmed down now.

They've evacuated the nyu hospital patients to other hospitals.

GloriaSmud Tue 30-Oct-12 06:25:25

Hope everyone has managed to keep safe and to those waiting for news of loved ones, hope they make contact with them very soon.

GloriaSmud Tue 30-Oct-12 06:30:04

The BBC has some pictures on their website.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Tue 30-Oct-12 06:38:14

Gloria I only just got your name
blush

VintageRainBoots Tue 30-Oct-12 06:43:03

My father evacuated yesterday, but we still have lots of friends and family on the East Coast.

VintageRainBoots Tue 30-Oct-12 06:45:11

Soggy, I heard that, too. I hope they were able to move the babies to other hospitals.

Thinking of everyone on the NE coast of America. It looks horrendous. sad

lisad123 Tue 30-Oct-12 07:21:26

No news from friends yet but hoping they are ok as looks like floods are worst thing in NY, and they are in hotel.
Seen there has been some deaths and a massive fire in queens which involves 15 houses!

mamas12 Tue 30-Oct-12 07:24:55

Thanks pippinjo and linerunner
I slept in the end. Well have had no actual communicaation but a bill from itunes has shown up in my email inbox so he's entertaining himself anyway. smile
Hopefylly he will phone later .

Soggy !!! haha

VikingVagine Tue 30-Oct-12 07:56:44

Some of my close family are in Easton, haven't had any news yet, but looking at local news there mainly just seems to be power cuts.

yourheadonastick Tue 30-Oct-12 08:15:58

Looks a terrible storm. Hope everyone in the area is ok.

BartimaeusNeedsMoreSleep Tue 30-Oct-12 08:24:34

Our friends live in Manhattan and she gave birth last week so we're concerned about her, as she had complications after the birth and had to stay in hospital, but in theory was being let out on Sunday...
We're crossing our fingers for some good news from them - and I hope they're well stocked in nappies etc as I suspect they'll be hard to get hold of! smile

Scary pictures on the news today.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 08:27:04

Morning all,
Just catching up with the news. It looks devastating in parts, the storm surge in NY was higher than predicted and reports of the subways and tunnels being flooded. It could take a long time to clear those up.

mumblechum1 Tue 30-Oct-12 08:53:34

Still haven't had a txt or call from ds but just saw a photo of him and the rest of the students snuggled in sleeping bags in the ballroom of their hotel smile Looked like they were watching a movie

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 09:10:31

aww mumble smile thats nice. He might be sleeping.

Did I hear it right on TWC? A fifty building fire?? awfully scary. 7 subways flooded apparently.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 09:16:39

Both LaGuardia and JFK runways ended up under water, so some patience may be needed before they can open them up I'm afraid.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 09:18:41

sad the 50 building fire is confirmed by other sources - it turns out they are homes that flooded. Those poor poor people.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 09:22:09

Apparently LaGuardia is closed but JFK is open.

Yogagirl17 Tue 30-Oct-12 09:31:47

Morning, haven't really caught up on the earlier thread but just checking in as I'm awaiting news from family in NY, including some who live in the Zone A evacuation zone, FDR Drive, lower east side. sad.

fledtoscotland Tue 30-Oct-12 09:32:37

Supposed to be flying out Thursday (my best friends 40th birthday present). Air lingus flight still showing although prob delayed.

Can't imagine what it must be like in Virginia and New Jersey

Yogagirl17 Tue 30-Oct-12 09:36:00

Was it bad in Virginia as well? Shit, family there too.

Coney Island webcam, here

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 09:46:45

I think Va caught a glancing blow - heavy rain and gale force winds. W. Va are having a lot of snow and parts are under a blizzard warning.

Which airport are you going to fled??

I think for those coming home, inevitably theres going to be a backlog of people to get through.

I really hope you hear from them soon yogagirl.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 09:47:20

manky - its turned into a water park!!

PipinJo Tue 30-Oct-12 10:00:40

Mama12 thats a great way for your ds to show he is fine and being kept entertained smile
Soggy I was worried about the hospital generators last night and they should have evacuated before storm hit tbh....moving very sick in those conditions could prove fatalsad

News says the Leeve has broken in NJ area and area has been submerged in 45 FEET of water! Lord keep those people safe. The after marth is far more dangerous!

They are going to have to build greater dams etc as those coastal have proven are extremely vulnerable! Esp if this could be the start of weather's to come in the East Coast!

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 10:06:17

oh hell pipin sad
Residents in Nassau asked not to drink the water.
Some thunderstorms likely today in New England, possibly bringing severe gusts with them.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 10:10:53

youtube mixture of horrifying and a little amusing. It must have been a terrifying moment.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 10:13:50

3 towns flooded by the levee break sad reuters

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 10:41:31

Thinking of all those mners who are either over there or have family and friends there. Theres a few people who posted before the storm got rough who havent posted back. I hope they are doing ok and are catching some sleep now.

TunipTheHollowVegemalLantern Tue 30-Oct-12 10:45:45

4 to 5 feet, not 45 feet, I think.
Still bad enough though.

Triggles Tue 30-Oct-12 10:56:35

We have family in W Virginia, as well as coastal Maine. Those in W Virginia are okay at this point, but still waiting to see how Maine is going to be hit.

Hope everyone who is there and who has family/friends there is safe.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 11:08:43

yup 4-5ft!

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 11:14:55

Starting to get light now by the looks of it.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 11:17:27

looks like some very high tides again this evening. Not as high as last night but higher than the water tht Irene bought.

helpyourself Tue 30-Oct-12 11:26:59

Morning smile
It looks like we didn't even lose power overnight. I can hear sweeping outside and the occasional distant siren.

spamm Tue 30-Oct-12 11:32:58

Hello all from Northern Virginia, where we have more than 400,000 homes without power according to our electricity company. We did not loose power but it was not a nice night. Wind was bad until 3am at least - not sure, as I finally could not stay awake. But it is still raining and they estimate we have had over 6 inches so far. Looking at the weather map, it could rain all day and we might get snow.

DH and I will venture out later to walk the dog and see what the neighborhood looks like. No school or work today.

NYC certainly looks like it bore the brunt of it. Hope all the MNers there are ok!

Yogagirl17 Tue 30-Oct-12 11:40:08

Well family near Boston has checked in to say wild storm but all ok and they didn't even lose power. That's one down. More worried about the New Yorkers - think my folks may be without power.

TalkinPeace2 Tue 30-Oct-12 11:52:40

yogagirl
Zone A evacuation was done really thoroughly - as with Irene - every house checked, everybody allocated a space in a shelter in Zone B
they will not be in their house
and the shelters have genertors

for those in the first building in Zone B its probably been a long night. Hope he's OK

What non natives forget is that New York is actually pretty steep up towards the middle and midtown - so its ONLY the edges and below 1st street that are really at risk.

PipinJo Tue 30-Oct-12 11:57:55

thought lady said fourTyFive feet! NOT Four TO Five Feet ...not used to the accent, sorry! Still high! I'd drown in that as can't swim.

TheDeathAndGories Tue 30-Oct-12 12:04:04

Been following this all night on and off

Really good to 'hear' people checking in
Hope all your families are safe

Yogagirl17 Tue 30-Oct-12 12:05:36

Family north of NYC have no power, and may be without for a week, but otherwise fine. Still waiting to hear about those from the lower east side -am sure they will have gone somewhere safe but will be nice to hear.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 12:36:10

Morning spamm and helpsyourself smile good to see you both back posting

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 12:38:18

Hope you hear soon yogagirl

Yogagirl17 Tue 30-Oct-12 13:11:41

Everyone safe but some without power. Hope all on here are ok.

TalkinPeace2 Tue 30-Oct-12 13:12:35

not heard from mine yet.... yoga is the cellphone network up in manhattan do you know

Yogagirl17 Tue 30-Oct-12 13:14:44

sorry talkin I don't know - I've just had emails from folks outside of the city. Lots of power going to be out for a while though.

ScarePhyllis Tue 30-Oct-12 13:17:43

Good morning from the Southern Tier of NY. We almost totally escaped Sandy - no flooding like last year - the main problem is power outages and the roads are clear because the police picked up all the branches in the night. Sadly a young boy in PA nearby was killed by a branch falling on him outside his home. Awful.

Don't know if this has been mentioned but apparently the construction pit at the WTC is full of seawater.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 13:19:45

Morning Phyllis smile
Hadn't heard that about the WTC. Awfully sad about the boy.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 13:20:32

Talkinpeace, try not to worry. Perhaps their phones are out of battery?

TalkinPeace2 Tue 30-Oct-12 13:21:01

scare
www.guardian.co.uk/world/gallery/2012/oct/30/superstorm-sandy-new-york-in-pictures
so are quite a few underground car parks
the pictures of the PATH at Hoboken are quite something too.

Do you know if cellphones work on Manhattan yet?
Not going to try the landline yet (had that nail chewing after 9/11)

Yogagirl17 Tue 30-Oct-12 13:22:42

Will try and find out about the cell phone thing. I'll post if i hear anything.

Yogagirl17 Tue 30-Oct-12 13:24:38

Just had FB replies from a bunch of friends saying cellphone networks in NYC seem to be working but of course the phones themselves may be out of charge.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 13:24:38

Do you twitter talkin? You could ask on there. I don't Tis a bit unfathomable to me.

Yogagirl17 Tue 30-Oct-12 13:25:01

I've been getting info through Facebook

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 13:26:21

Does look like cell phones might be out. daily mail sorry about the source!!

TalkinPeace2 Tue 30-Oct-12 13:26:45

:-)
it also depends where in NYC - BBC reporters seem to forget that Manhattan goes north of Central Park!
He lives near the 14th street substation that blew up ....
)))twitter(( but have an account I can use to check!!

lisad123 Tue 30-Oct-12 13:30:59

Friends are safe although destruction everywhere sad they will be home ASAP once airports are open

mathanxiety Tue 30-Oct-12 14:05:16

DD1 enjoying her day off in DC and still has power. Her BF's grandparents in NJ are near a river and by last night it had reached their back door so hopefully they have upped sticks.

fledtoscotland Tue 30-Oct-12 14:24:25

Anyone any idea when will start to get flights in and out of JFK

TalkinPeace2 Tue 30-Oct-12 14:27:22

not for a few days yet - they have to get the bridges, tunnels and subways off Long Island sorted first !

mathanxiety Tue 30-Oct-12 14:43:16

Planes are grounded all over the US. Passengers are camped in airports. Hotels are packed. Getting everything moving again will be a priority.

cheapandchic Tue 30-Oct-12 14:47:52

Friends and family are safe, but trees have destroyed a friends house and floods have destroyed cars and basements. (both in ny and nj)

Now that I know people are ok....I cant help but worry about the election. My husbands absentee ballot has not arrived, the offices to call and send another one are closed. How will he get one sent and sent back in time? I cant help but thinking there are other people in this situation.

And with the race being so close this year....ummm every vote matters!

TalkinPeace2 Tue 30-Oct-12 14:49:31

cheap - if you are in the US he'll have to turn up and vote on the day.
My UK one arrived in early september - I sent it back weeks ago

Yogagirl17 Tue 30-Oct-12 14:51:21

cheap I received and returned my absentee ballot by email.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 15:13:16

Very nice to hear all the positive reports of people being ok, if rather shaken and shocked.

I think LaGuardia is still closed. JFK seems to be technically open and indeed one or two flights seem to be arriving
live arrivals

cheapandchic Tue 30-Oct-12 15:15:42

no we are in uk. this is why I am concerned.

cheapandchic Tue 30-Oct-12 15:17:09

yoga- not sure if it varies state to state....but i am pretty sure we cannot vote by email

TalkinPeace2 Tue 30-Oct-12 15:18:54

cheap - there is no way it will get there now
the guidance that came out with mine (NYC, funnily enough) said to have it back by mid October

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 15:25:15

FAA link to the status of the areas airports. I seem to be wrong about JFK, except their arrivals board contradicts the closed statement. Confusing.

Xiaoxiong Tue 30-Oct-12 15:26:11

The sun's out in NYC now and cellphones are working, according to my cousin in Queens - aunts and uncles in DUMBO, Battery Park, Jersey and uptown all have power, all say everything is fine in the city itself, it's just a bit wet and untidy apparently.

Yogagirl17 Tue 30-Oct-12 15:26:27

cheap you may be right - what state?

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 15:29:04

The FAA link is misleading. It reports no issues with Dulles. But most of their flights are cancelled

TalkinPeace2 Tue 30-Oct-12 15:29:31

Xiao - what about downtown - in the area of the 14th street substation?

sunshine will help though..

We're fine, no power uuntil Monday. according to power company(!) Hoping. the water in our tank lasts that long or life will get a lot less fun very quickly. trees down everywhere and lots of loose live power cables whipping around, it's a bit nerve wracking !

CestTout Tue 30-Oct-12 15:31:15

I'm staying with friends in Philly at the moment and we really escaped the worst where we are. Very lucky. Got good friends in Hoboken who sound like they are having a nightmare.

Drizzly rain here in NJ.and intermittent mobile phone. and internet.access.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 15:33:09

Good to hear that the city is ok (but that doesnt include the subways and tunnels does it?) nor places like Queens with their huge fire and zone a in general.

Very good indeed though that your family is ok Xiaoxiong smile

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 15:34:35

hey blackcurrants - good to see you posting again smile bummer about the power and it sounds rather dodgy out and about. Is the wind still up a bit?

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 15:35:43

Who else are we waiting for to check in? MrsJ for sure....

fledtoscotland Tue 30-Oct-12 15:36:08

Good to see the live arrivals board at JFK! It's just saying in Bloomberg that it will operating "as normal" tomorrow

Viperidae Tue 30-Oct-12 15:38:04

BA are telling me there are no flights out of New York for a full week as everything is fully booked. Don't know whether to hope for cancellations sooner or book it.

spamm Tue 30-Oct-12 15:42:00

They are saying it will take 4 days to restore power and the system to the subway in NY, maybe more to some parts of the rail system as tracks are either underwater or washed away.

Dulles airport should be fine - it is only 7 miles away from me and we now only have rain and some light winds. They keep emphazising dangerous winds in the area, at least until 2pm today, but I do not see it now. The problem is going to be getting aircraft back to the right places and getting staff in.

We still have over 100,000 people without power in our area, but the only people I know without power right now are in NJ.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 15:44:32

fled - that would be good news indeed smile

viperidae. Tricky. I'd either book it or look to whether they can travel to another airport to come home sooner. I wouldnt count on cancellations because even if it does reopen tomorrow, there is going to be such a huge queue of people waiting for cancellations.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 15:47:19

I guess so many flights at dulles are cancelled today purely because at some point they had to make a decision on what to do?

spamm Tue 30-Oct-12 15:51:38

OK - I take that back. A friend in West Virginia has no power and a foot of snow. At least she does not neet to throw any food out - she is just emptying the freezer into boxes in the snow for now.

She has posted a photo on FB and it looks gorgeous to me - will be less gorgeous in a few hours when she is trying to feed the farm animals in snow later. But they are fine.

Also, DH checked on an older couple we have "adopted", who live about 15 miles away. Their power is back on and no damage to their property. All good.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 15:53:51

Feel very sorry for those in W. Virginia and no power! must be very brrrrrrrr.....

Eliza22 Tue 30-Oct-12 16:22:09

Oh Lord, we visited last week, for my 50th. Good job half-term wasn't THIS WEEK.

Feel so sorry for them. It looks devastating and very, very scary.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 17:03:01

close call for you Eliza! (Half term is this week round here. )

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 17:54:50

I just saw the Battery tunnel on <spits> Fox news. shock i hadnt quite appreciated that it is flooded to the gunnels. Going to take an awful lot of pumping.
According to a power company 62% of New Jersey is without power. this map from one electrical company says it all in terms of power really. Huge area affected.

LadyEvilBeagle Tue 30-Oct-12 18:10:37

Is it just me that would find a storm like this absolutely awe inspiring?
The loss of life is tragic, but I kind of wanted to be in NY nice and safe in a fancy apartment and watch from my window.

Viperidae Tue 30-Oct-12 18:33:51

Lady We live on the coast in NW England and often get high winds here. DS said the hurricane wasn't that bad for them as he'd had years of training here! When we get heavy rain with it there is something a bit exciting/scary about it.

I think with this it was the combination of wind, rain, tide and storm surge that has made it so big

spamm Tue 30-Oct-12 18:35:32

Some amazing pics I had not seen here

LadyEvilBeagle - I know what you mean, but it was not awe inspiring to me, we all react differently. I remember being a teenager and going down to Southsea to watch the most amazing storm at night with friends. We stood on the wall and got soaked by waves - but I was young and had no responsibilities, except me.

I am older and feel more vulnerable, I have a child to protect and I am a homeowner and cannot envisage the heartbreak of losing my home. So it was scary and stressed me out. The big storms always do. My dh does not react the same way at all - he is stoic and just deals with it as it comes, so I irritate the hell out of him.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 18:47:02

I wouldnt want my property to be destroyed or friends and family put at risk. But yes, if a storm has to happen, then if I'm utterly honest I would like to witness it I think.

Mind you I have been in a couple of scary weather situations which made me think 'never again'!

Triggles Tue 30-Oct-12 19:07:59

We lived in Missouri for a few years when I was a child - a couple tornadoes spent down in the basement, along with regular tornado drills at school - that cured any desire to see a big storm.

spamm Tue 30-Oct-12 19:09:39

The thing is, since we moved to the US 3 years ago, we have had: Snow storm (2 days), Snowmageddon (5 days and about 3.5 feet of snow), Hurricane Irene (yuk), Tropical Storm Flooding (wading through knee-high water to leave the office), the Earthquake, the famous Derecho (the MOST scary, because it was so fast and we had very little warning), and now Sandy.

I can cope with the snow - that I am fine with - and the only scary thing about the Earthquake was being on the 14th floor - I am still getting used to being in very tall buildings, I work on the 20th floor right now. But I hate the vulnerable feeling of the wind/rain storms. I never liked them in the UK (down south), and they are so much more wild here.

I am still trying to get used to this. I try and not do the weird panic shopping, and be reasonable - but I feel that I should at least prepare some stuff - not just ignore it. So this morning I had to empty out two big saucepans of water, and do the walk of shame in front of dh to put the bottled water away.

Triggles Tue 30-Oct-12 19:15:20

walk of shame?? whyever would it be the walk of shame?

Only an idiot would not at least make basic preparations for this type of thing! You are right to make preparations just in case. There's a difference between panic buying and simply using common sense and being prepared.

TalkinPeace2 Tue 30-Oct-12 19:19:33

the walk of shame is having to go round to a neighbours house to get water because you did not.

Being prepared is sensible : tie up your camel, THEN trust in Allah

LadyEvilBeagle Tue 30-Oct-12 19:34:27

What situations OhYouBad?
We get a lot of gales up here but there's very little structural damage, there being not much structure in the first place.
(North West Highlands).
We did have a huge fire a couple of years ago which spread across the hills, like, well wildfire I suppose grin.
It lasted a couple of days and was scary when it got really close to the house, but the mountains on fire at night looked magnificent, like a volcano.

spamm Tue 30-Oct-12 19:50:58

Triggles and Talking - You are both right, and that is why I bought the water, because I decided that DH's teasing was no issue, compared to being without water.

It is one of those couple things - when others witness it, it probably looks terrible, but between us it is a sort of in-joke. I insist on buying bottled water each time, because "you never know". And we are still drinking the bottles from Irene last year. I resisted buying water this time, until I was at Home Depot looking for a gas can on Saturday morning, and I broke when I saw EVERY SINGLE PERSON buying water. I could not fight the urge, and I bought water as well - only one case. I have now added it to Irene water pile - we will drink it...eventually.

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 20:15:21

Camping in gales on top of a cliff in the pitch black, a thunderstorm starting and our tent beginning to collapse on top of us springs to mind grin was convinced that we would either blow out to sea or by struck by lightning.

The other one was in a severe storm in Florida, severe by their standards, it was all over the news for a couple of days. Lots of c-g lightning, high winds, trying to find a motel in the torrential rain and then a tornado (which I heard and recognised but didn't see) touched down a block away and took out some houses. It did cure my of my storm fascination for a little bit.

Spamm, it was sensible, Nassau county have been warned not to drink the water.

( I tend to be a bit of a hoarder of pasta, loo roll and little camping gas cylinders blush

The derecho would have been terrifying.

TalkinPeace2 Tue 30-Oct-12 22:19:41

Just tried to call Manhattan - got a message saying that landlines and cell networks are not functioning in that area.
THe pictures of 14th street and FDR Drive in the news kinda show why

OhYouBigBadBeast Tue 30-Oct-12 22:22:41

It must be very frustrating for you talkin. You are right though, the pictures do show the reality of the situation. I hope you get to speak to them soon.

LadyEvilBeagle Tue 30-Oct-12 22:27:21

I've just watched the ITV news. Is there a reason that they sent their correspondent to stand on a bridge in the height of the storm? The poor bugger could hardly stand.
Didn't the Emergency Services have enough on their plates rather than to look out for the media from all over the world putting themselves in precarious positions to get a good story?

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Tue 30-Oct-12 22:34:11

Spamm I got tins in for the bird flu epidemic that never was. Luckily in our house that was DH's idea.

LadyEvilBeagle Tue 30-Oct-12 22:48:31

The news also had a report of babies in incubators being moved after the emergency generator went off, which brought on one of my worse fears.
Having had operations in the past it always scared me to death that the power would go off half way through.
And now I know that it can happen.
Wibble, and vows never ever to go to a hospital again.

ElaineBenes Wed 31-Oct-12 00:28:43

We have family arriving into JFK tomorrow, flight is going as scheduled so far.

The babies at nyu were on battery operated respirators. Absolutely critical equipment has battery as the last back up.

OhYouBigBadBeast Wed 31-Oct-12 08:13:54

I hope they make it in ok Elaine.

OhYouBigBadBeast Wed 31-Oct-12 08:16:16

It does look like some flights will be moving through JFK today smile the beginning of some good news I hope!

fledtoscotland Wed 31-Oct-12 08:24:08

Fingers crossed Elaine!

OhYouBigBadBeast Wed 31-Oct-12 08:31:19

JFK expected to reopen at 12 EDT

fledtoscotland Wed 31-Oct-12 09:20:01

That info ties in with the latest from air Lingus that this afternoons flights are restarting

cheapandchic Wed 31-Oct-12 11:53:18

everyone I know in NJ still has no power. they are cold and bored!

ElaineBenes Wed 31-Oct-12 12:04:51

All my nj friends are without power as well, cheap.

So far so good with the flight. Looks like it might even be early!

But still no subway and my workplace is still shut and no school either. Buses are running now though so that's a good sign.

fledtoscotland Wed 31-Oct-12 13:06:57

Elaine - who are ur family flying with? Air lingus have said no envisaged problems grin

ElaineBenes Wed 31-Oct-12 13:34:08

El Al. I can't believe they were so lucky. It's the first flight without delays or cancellations. I know it's really minor in comparison to what others are going through but my kids are so looking forward to seeing their baby cousin who they haven't met yet!

TalkinPeace2 Wed 31-Oct-12 15:23:57

No power or hot water due where my Dad lives till Friday at the earliest
and the landline phone system is down too ...
joy

mumblechum1 Wed 31-Oct-12 15:38:45

Well, although ds was hoping the school trip would take them to NY today so they'd at least have 24 hours there, they're definitely not going now.

aargh. Took ages to save up the money, it was a bloody expensive trip and they've spent the last 2 days in the hotel basement in Washington. sad.

TalkinPeace2 Wed 31-Oct-12 16:00:04

if they go round all of the Smithsonian's they'll have a fab and memorable trip

to go from DC to NY they have to go through NJ - look at the pictures of Hoboken to see why they are not ....

mumblechum1 Wed 31-Oct-12 16:27:49

Thanks Talkin. I've just called the tour organisers (the school have been crap at letting us know what's happening). Today they're visiting Gettysburg, having dinner in a nice restaurant in DC and then tomorrow visiting Mt Vernon on the way to JFK. They're catching the redeye tomorrow night (hopefully).

TalkinPeace2 Wed 31-Oct-12 16:36:59

Mt Vernon is FAB - went there as a kid
They should be OK to get through to JFK - the bridges are opening, if not the tunnels

TBH what has happened has never happened to a tour group before so the fact that they are a bit flummoxed is no great surprise.

I just saw a guy on FB ask how deep the water in the garage where he stores his car was
and it took him a few posts to realise that 'to the roof' meant exactly that ....

MrsJamin Wed 31-Oct-12 19:10:14

We're ok, having a nightmare getting flights back - DH might not be back until next week sad. I fly out tomorrow. We have no power, heating or hot water at our apartment and this is set to be for the next week. We are part of the daily migration uptown to charge phones and get wifi. It's all very depressing but at least we are safe and will return soon hopefully.

TalkinPeace2 Wed 31-Oct-12 19:26:56

MrsJAmin
by the sound of it you live between 14th and 23rd too!

ElaineBenes Wed 31-Oct-12 19:34:49

It's going to take AGES going from Manhattan to Queens. We're in QUeens and I know it took people 3-4 hours!! The tunnels are closed, there's no subway so traffic is bumper to bumper across the bridges

MrsJamin Wed 31-Oct-12 19:35:09

We're staying on 7th.

TalkinPeace2 Wed 31-Oct-12 19:43:59

Funny how you don't notice the hill to midtown till you have to walk up it :-)
good luck on getting your flights

there are lots of comments on the NYT website that cars with less than 4 people in should be barred from the bridges !

OhYouBigBadBeast Wed 31-Oct-12 20:49:28

MrsJamin great to see you back on here smile it sounds rough and exhausting but I'm glad that fundamentally you are ok. Was it as bad as you feared?

OhYouBigBadBeast Wed 31-Oct-12 21:01:05

Really really interesting blog by Jeff Masters discussing the unusual path that sandy took. Includes interesting speculation about the possible link with the record low sea ice.

PrincessSymbian Thu 01-Nov-12 01:15:15

Only problem with that blog, he appears to have forgotten about Irene last August.

TheCatInTheHairnet Thu 01-Nov-12 02:00:35

I'm going to be honest, it's shit here. Earliest estimate of power back on..10 days. Endless beautiful streets looking like war zones. Huge 100+ year old trees just ripped up by their roots. Only one working petrol station in quite a large radius.

And we got lucky.

PrincessSymbian Thu 01-Nov-12 02:01:47

Where are you cat?

helpyourself Thu 01-Nov-12 02:25:42

We're still here!grin
We've been so lucky; on upper Manhattan, but no power outages, and although we had 2 shut days, we're now stranded here until Sunday! Originally due to fly back yesterday -such a lot of extra holiday!
We went out to see friends off Manhattan for Halloween, no power, schools shut, trees down everywhere.

TheCatInTheHairnet Thu 01-Nov-12 02:49:46

Princess, Nj. But not on the coast. Which is why we're lucky!

PrincessSymbian Thu 01-Nov-12 07:31:56

Which bit of NJ? I have some family holed up in Hunterdon county with no power etc.
Luckily this time they have a generator, unlike during Irene and the water is still working.

TalkinPeace2 Thu 01-Nov-12 09:26:13
OhYouBigBadBeast Thu 01-Nov-12 09:39:08

Glad you came through it ok helpyourself! smile

Cat, that sounds really rubbish. Any signs of help from outside agencies?

OhYouBigBadBeast Thu 01-Nov-12 09:48:07

Jeff Masters has covered hurricane Irene extensively in his other blogs the one I've linked to in this post talks about the impact it had and touches a little on its path and theorises on the impact that climate change may have on the path of hurricanes, without coming to any real conclusion.

Hurricane Irene's path was somewhat different as you know, instead of suddenly hooking left, she grazed the us coast before gradually turning right.

OhYouBigBadBeast Thu 01-Nov-12 09:53:57

Cool video talkin, I love the way the clouds suddenly change direction.

PrincessSymbian Thu 01-Nov-12 10:22:15

I know I am being terribly pedantic but in that article discussing Sandy's path and the why's and wherefores, he days that the only other hurricane to have hit NJ Was the 1903 Vagabond hurricane. But no mention of Irene!
Which is probably just an oversight but it grated on me slightly.

PrincessSymbian Thu 01-Nov-12 10:22:38

He says!

That is rather a big oversight!

alcibiades Thu 01-Nov-12 11:36:16

There are some pictures here: www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2012/10/hurricane-sandy-after-landfall/100396/ that I haven't seen before.

Some of those have made me fight back tears, they show the reality of the suffering that the storm brought.

TalkinPeace2 Thu 01-Nov-12 17:20:10

www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/10/28/nyregion/hurricane-sandy.html#sha=2dce2cfc8

its ongoing.
cross your fingers that the weather does not turn cold as millions are without heat and light

A very sobering read talkin.

TalkinPeace2 Thu 01-Nov-12 18:53:34

still waiting to hear if my Dad is OK .....

Oh that must be a worry sad
Are there any mners over there who can help with that somehow? (Posting on fb or twitter or something)

TalkinPeace2 Thu 01-Nov-12 20:46:34

There is no power in New York south of 40th street
no traffic lights
no electric
no cellphones
no landlines
no heat
and failing gas ...

Its OK - I'm in touch with his residents association
BUT
lots of people are walking to where there is light and food but may not have taken dead phones - or for those over 75, do not own such a thing.

it will take weeks to find out if everybody is OK - and this is New York
Imagine what its like for those whose family are in countries without wifi hotspots

I hope you can talk to him soon.

For those in other countries, it must be desperate.

alcibiades Thu 01-Nov-12 22:01:21

I think one of the advantages of the internet is that not only do we get access to shedloads of info, we can also get to hear the voices of people who have a direct experience of these severe events. This event has dropped from being headline news, which might give the impression to a lot of people that it's all over and done with. And in my younger days (very much pre-internet) I might have assumed the same thing.

But hearing from people here, especially TalkinPeace2, has made me realise that it isn't over, and it's not likely to be for some time to come.

Eliza22 Thu 01-Nov-12 22:13:38

Talkinpeace2, I hope you hear something soon.

TalkinPeace2 Thu 01-Nov-12 22:21:31

nyti.ms/SfwDDN
no chance of power and phones till Saturday now for my Dad. Will hopefully be able to contact him by the end of the weekend - assuming he's OK.
but watch the video
no traffic lights - no elevators to 17th floor apartments ....

TheCatInTheHairnet Fri 02-Nov-12 03:58:15

It's getting crazier by the second. Still no power, loooong lines to get gas, and now reports of a winter storm heading our way. Power still not expected to come back for at least another week. I haven't even seen any electricity companies in our neighbourhood.

And we're in the areas that are "just inconvenienced". The powers that be are only going to be able to sell us that line for a couple more days. People are getting more and more irritated and distressed. It's a bit scary, tbh.

What more do you think could be done Cat?

Thanks for the link Talkin, it must make it very hard for emergency services to reach people in need in apartment blocks. Very very difficult for disabled people too.

mumblechum1 Fri 02-Nov-12 13:53:39

DS just got back from JFK this morning. Said as they drove through NJ from Washington it was pretty dire. They glimpsed the Manhattan skyline late afternoon but from where they were (George Washington Bridge Ithink) a lot of it was still in darkness.

I'm glad he's home safe and sound. He's still my baby even though he's 6 foot 3 with stubble

mumblechum1 Fri 02-Nov-12 13:54:34

$6 dollars for a small bottle of water in the shop he went into on the way thru' NJ.

ElaineBenes Fri 02-Nov-12 13:57:43

He should report that store if he remembers the name. Price gouging is illegal in NJ.

TalkinPeace2 Fri 02-Nov-12 16:08:21

$10 for a flashlight in lower Manhattan.

Worrying about niceties like ramping up prices is the LEAST of the worries to old folks like my Dad, stuck in their apartment buildings with no light, heat, water, gas, phone, fresh food.
And none likely for several days yet.

At least I assume he's in his apartment because I have no way of finding out.

We don't have power in Westfield, nj, and it is starting to worry me how to keep the flat warm. DS is only 2 and we all have colds. We really were ready for 3-4 hours without power or heat but who can prepare for 7-10 days without buying a generator and stockpiling fuel?! Our library is now open and so we are going there during the day to play in the warm and charge all our phones. We are lucky, we have 2 cars and each have nearly a quarter of a tank of petrol. We are biking evefywhere but it's getting too cold to do that with DS!

TunipTheHollowVegemalLantern Fri 02-Nov-12 16:57:09

Keep smiling Blackcurrants. Hope things improve soon x

TalkinPeace2 Fri 02-Nov-12 17:02:48

(Blackcurrants)
Do you have somebody you can houseshare with - camp in their spare room? Somebody who has an open fire ideally! Are there evacuation centres in your area - as the ones in Manhattan are still going.

ElaineBenes Fri 02-Nov-12 17:14:27

Blackcurrants

Hang in there - I have friends in Highland Park, Lawrenceville, Trenton and Princeton who have all just got their power back today and yesterday! Hopefully it won't be too long for you.

ElaineBenes Fri 02-Nov-12 17:15:42

And you're welcome to come to us in Queens to shower, do laundry etc if you'd like to - although with the traffic and the petrol situation it might not be such a great idea!!

fledtoscotland Fri 02-Nov-12 23:19:29

Siting in a restaurant in Times Square right now. No obvious evidence of sandy but a few trees down. Lower manhattan still affected but about 34th st up is business as normal

TalkinPeace2 Sat 03-Nov-12 12:11:29

Lower manhattan still affected
too right it is
still no lights, heat, elevators, phones
garages still flooded
fridges full of rotting food
and still no idea if my Dad is OK

ElaineBenes Sat 03-Nov-12 12:59:55

Power is coming back to lower manhattan. It's already back in the les, TriBeCa, soho and Murray hill. Should all be back today so you will be able to contact your dad. Staten island and long island are still a mess with no power.

TalkinPeace2 Sat 03-Nov-12 16:23:14

Have spoken to my Dad.
He's OK. Cold, dark, bored of eating what little food he has left, but OK.
His building will have no heat and hot water before Thanksgiving though .....
His power comes from the 14th street substation so is still limited - lights but no sockets in the buildings so far.

No heat before thanksgiving? That's going to be very hard. Is there anywhere local to him offering at least a day time refuge?

TalkinPeace2 Sat 03-Nov-12 17:19:02

Don't know yet.
About 5,000 of the people in the apartment complex are in the same situation.
Once the power is on he can use electric heaters but the main heating and the hot water is from the ConEd steam pipes that were badly damaged by flooding.
No hot water in bathrooms for another month.
VERY hard on families.

Crikey! It just shows the difficulty of the task doesn't it. I do not envy those people at all.

TheCatInTheHairnet Sat 03-Nov-12 18:58:06

TP2, are you not in NY yourself? Did I get that right. I'm in the Burbs, but if he needs anything, happy to help out. It will distract me from my own freezing, dark home!! wink

MrsJamin Sat 03-Nov-12 20:16:15

We finally got home yesterday, 5 days after our original flight! So happy to have warmth, light and connectivity to the outside world! Still feeling bad for those who are still there in lower manhattan. It just felt very bleak, even the mood in midtown was subdued. I am glad they cancelled the marathon but they should have made the decision days ago- I feel sorry for all those who have already arrived in NYC only to be bitterly disappointed and out of pocket. Is it true, badkitten, that there is a storm due next week?

TheCatInTheHairnet Sat 03-Nov-12 20:20:31

Yes, there is a nor'easter coming in.

Blackcurrants, we just got our power back so another offer for hot showers etc here.

mathanxiety Sat 03-Nov-12 20:27:51

Glad you are ok MrsJamin. You have had quite a time of it.

I have to say I do not know what goes through the minds of people who seriously expected they would be running in the NYC marathon. How could anyone have expected it to go ahead? I know the mayor was a bit ostrichlike about it, but even looking at news reports I would think runners themselves would have had second thoughts. Surely some of them would have been staying in hotels without power yet, and how did they expect to run on Staten Island, which was really socked?

mathanxiety Sat 03-Nov-12 20:30:13

And how would they expect security and public order personnel to leave the search and aid missions to be present at the race?

From what I've read it does look quite likely that there will be a nor'easter coming in mid week the exact path isn't known. Doesn't look like snow for the NY / NJ areas but the wind and rain could cause additional issues.

Welcome back MrsJ smile

Bit concerned about the wind aspect tbh.

MrsJamin Sat 03-Nov-12 20:57:13

Mathanxiety- it's not been great but it's nothing compared to people who have had their property ruined or lost loved ones. BA are being royal bastards though, and are saying they are not covering our extra accommodation due to sandy. We are writing a stern letter otherwise we will be severely out of pocket and will be having times of severe austerity in the next month or two sad. It really does put you off travelling altogether.

mathanxiety Sat 03-Nov-12 21:31:14

How hard nosed of them. This is a case where a call to a radio station or letter to your MP might be in order.

MrsJ will your insurance company not cover it?

MrsJamin Sun 04-Nov-12 10:03:54

Not all of it, badkitten, they are passing the buck to the airline under the EU legislation. We could easily just be caught in the middle with neither company paying out. I am just so glad that we weren't in a £300+ per night hotel - like some of the other brits who we met. Some of the hotels even put up the price every extra night they stayed- this should be illegal to people who are stranded! We paid £130ish a night as we were in a private apartment - so very lucky in that respect. If you count in having to buy an american SIM, food for 4 extra days, etc, it really mounts up.

I seem to vaguely remember that the airline should cover you, but of course they are going to fight it as its going to cost them hugely. I'll see if I can dig anything out.

this looks like it applies as you are returning to an eu country. Looks pretty helpful.

It has a pro forma letter that others in a similar situation may find useful too.

TalkinPeace2 Sun 04-Nov-12 12:38:08

((Hairnet))
Thankyou for the offer. I am indeed in the UK. His complex is big and well organised and he'll be fine - in that stubborn way old men are.
Friends in New Canaan had their power back on last night.
You'll be able to get warm soon.

It sounds like, despite the early headlines, the real devastation has been in Staten Island.

MrsJasmin Big article in yesterday's Gruaniad about it - covering what you are and are not covered for ....

helpyourself Sun 04-Nov-12 17:32:11

Finally leaving, just waiting airport transport. I'm going lalala I can't hear you about refunds. Might be baked beans for months when we get back.
Really can't com

helpyourself Sun 04-Nov-12 17:32:58

Finally leaving, just waiting airport transport. I'm going lalala I can't hear you about refunds. Might be baked beans for months when we get back.
Really can't complain though- we've been safe, warm and really l

helpyourself Sun 04-Nov-12 17:35:22

Grr..
Really looked after although there's real disruption quite close. I think it'll be a while before I dare ask for family babysitting though.

Oh well done helpyourself. Have a safe journey!

Spower and heat restored at around 4pm today - after 6days in the cold and dark I could snog an electrician about now, and I think DH would be right behind me! Now all I need is petrol and we can return to normal. DH's work is closed tommorrow, mine is open but I can't get there as no fuel!

skyebluesapphire Sun 04-Nov-12 23:48:39

excellent news blackcurrants. enjoy another day off work

mathanxiety Mon 05-Nov-12 00:21:45

So glad to hear your good news Blackcurrants. I hope you'll have gas soon, especially if you're coming close to your due date. 6 days is a long time to be essentially camping.
DD1's bf's parents and both sets of GPs are in NJ, in Monmouth County; so far no really bad news from DD1 about them so I hope they are ok too.

TheDoctrineOfSnatch Mon 05-Nov-12 08:10:29

Glad you are ok blackcurrants

still eeping a watchful eye still on Wednesdays storm, which could bring a small storm surge, heavy rain and gale force winds with it to the areas hit by Sandy. Snow possible inland. No doubt those over there will have a clearer forecast than that!

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