Manufactured Baby Food - not a surprise

(55 Posts)
FrauMoose Tue 10-Sep-13 07:15:51
mrsmartin1984 Tue 10-Sep-13 09:52:39

I felt so smug for not using them when I read this. Totally validates why I do BLWing

LittleBearPad Tue 10-Sep-13 09:57:11

Good for you mrsmartin. Always good to be able to feel smug so early in the morning

And I did BLW too

FrauMoose Tue 10-Sep-13 10:07:08

I was skint when my daughter was a baby. And I remembered how high a proportion of the jar got wasted from when my little brother was fed the jars. So making baby food ourselves seemed the obvious thing to do.

Mashing up bananas, carrots etc etc really didn't seem that hard.

Maybe if you don't cook for the adults/older children but just heat up processed stuff doing food for a baby seems difficult?

Sleepybunny Tue 10-Sep-13 10:17:51

Good god, I think if I read another article or comment on the benefits of BLW, milk the main source of nutrition until 1yr, breast is best, I think my head will actually explode. grin

I breast feed, do BLW but as I have given a couple of formula bottles, spoon fed a few times and used a Ella's pouches I feel so incredibly guilty! Think I have to get of mn for a while confused

FrauMoose Tue 10-Sep-13 10:31:00

I'm assuming BLW is breast-led weaning. When my daughter was a baby the six month thing wasn't the big deal it is now - four months seemed the standard, and as my daughter was permanently voraciously hungry the health visitor said it was no big deal if I offered her a bit of baby rice when she was about 15 weeks.

So I'm not a breast-feeding only evangelist. More of a foodie who dislikes the way we're pressured into buying overpriced junk under the pretence that it's good for us.

FrauMoose Tue 10-Sep-13 10:41:09

No it must be 'baby led weaning'...

OneLittleToddleTerror Tue 10-Sep-13 12:24:42

I don't think the article is saying BLW is best. It's saying that manufactured food is a lot less nutrient dense than homemade food. And that they have less calories per weight then formula. It is a useful thing to know, especially for those parents who are contemplating using solids from jars/pouch to fill up their LO in the hope of making them to sleep through.

Homemade food is very clearly purees in the study.

And that they also use infant formula for comparison.

OneLittleToddleTerror Tue 10-Sep-13 12:25:05

It's on the BBC too btw, www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-24013437

bigkidsdidit Tue 10-Sep-13 12:28:10

It's talking about Home made food not blw.

mrsmartin1984 Tue 10-Sep-13 12:43:51

I know it's not talking about BLWing. But BLWed babies wouldn't use that stuff.

LeBFG Tue 10-Sep-13 12:51:51

BLW babies can eat junk too - rusks, biscuits, cakes, crisps...

Manchesterhistorygirl Tue 10-Sep-13 12:56:39

I did blw (with ds1 it was called letting him help himself) with both of mine, but I also used the pouches when out and about and not able to stop and give a proper meal. This article is a bit "and in other news pope is catholic". It tells us nothing we didn't already know and quite frankly it must be a slow news day. Why can't we also just raise our children in our way? Why does everything have to have a bloody label?

TheContrastofWhiteonWhite Tue 10-Sep-13 13:03:39

It's not really a shock is it? I mean, it isn't a good idea for pre-prepared and processed food to form your whole diet as an adult or child. A baby isn't likely to be much different.

What I take from this is the fairly obvious 'handy for out and about and when you are in a big hurry but best not to always feed your child from pouches/jars'. TBH, I'd have thought that was true solely from a cost perspective anyway.

bigkidsdidit Tue 10-Sep-13 13:04:49

I saw a blw thread once where someone said Ella's kitchen pouches were ok of the baby held and sucked them -grin

Anyway. I did spoon feedig and finger foods and used maybe three pouches a month when out. Very useful to have one in the change bag. That they're worse js no surprise is it, but you can't cart freshly prepared food out with you all the time.

I don't understand why people don't know this already. Commonsense I'd have thought.

OneLittleToddleTerror Tue 10-Sep-13 13:13:15

I don't know if it's common sense actually. I've seen people on here defending that Ella pouches are just as good as homemade. They have some very clever marketing.

A friend of mine also gave me advice when I was weaning DD to use tinned fruit. Apparently they are in fruit juices so as good as the real thing. I didn't contradict her but just smile and nod.

OneLittleToddleTerror Tue 10-Sep-13 13:13:15

I don't know if it's common sense actually. I've seen people on here defending that Ella pouches are just as good as homemade. They have some very clever marketing.

A friend of mine also gave me advice when I was weaning DD to use tinned fruit. Apparently they are in fruit juices so as good as the real thing. I didn't contradict her but just smile and nod.

flatmum Tue 10-Sep-13 13:20:58

personally I am grateful to Ella's kitchen, my children wouldn't have survived without those pouches! think it would have done them more harm being stuck indoors with me all day cooking than getting out and about in the fresh air (I get very stressed when cooped up in the house with a small baby).

as long as their breakfast and dinner are good quality homemade meals I am afraid I can't get worked up about a few fruit pouches a week.

Everything in moderation and all that

GingerBeerAndTinnedPeaches Tue 10-Sep-13 13:21:17

It's only true if the person preparing the food knows how to cook and create a balanced diet. Manufactured baby food is better than a crap diet of homecooked rubbish.

I did everything homecooked for DD1, and DD2 gets some manufactured stuff as well as the homecooked stuff, due to lack of time and energy. I trust myself to do what is best, and these articles aren't actually helpful.

I weaned traditionally for both (purees and finger foods).

OneLittleToddleTerror Tue 10-Sep-13 13:28:19

No one is saying a bit of pouch is bad. No one says you can't exist on a diet of pouches Even. it is simply about being informed. Just like adults have takeaways, microwave dinners and eating out. Why does everyone have to go so defensive about this? I know chips are bad and DD had chips from she started solids. But I won't fool myself think fruit shoot is just as good as an orange. Or that that chicke stew in a pouch really is as good as a pot of real chicke stew.

schmee Tue 10-Sep-13 13:36:01

onelittletoddlerterror Tinned fruit can actually be more nutritious than fresh fruit as it is canned nearer the source and loses less of the nutrients (unlike vegetables btw which tend to lose nutrients when tinned). So less good than an apple picked straight from your tree, but better than strawberries from New Zealand that have sat in your fridge for a week.

schmee Tue 10-Sep-13 13:38:51

And actually I think the BLW thing is a complete red herring. My BLW DD had a far inferior diet to my partially spoonfed DSs. Not for want of trying, but she just spat out or ignored the good stuff.

OneLittleToddleTerror Tue 10-Sep-13 13:53:54

schmee if you are referring to that study from
well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/27/really-the-claim-fresh-produce-has-more-nutrients-than-canned/

Then the caveat being "Nutrient density measures were based on 6 nutrients. Based on Dietary Guidelines to Americans, vegetables are important sources of fiber, potassium, magnesium, and vitamins A, C, and K in the American diet" and also "the nutrient density score used here focuses solely on nutrients to encourage, and does not account for fat, sugar or sodium."

They are all very interesting scientific study for sure.

Andcake Tue 10-Sep-13 14:55:31

Ella's are really sweet - and it is common sense that packaged food is not as nutritious as homemade its the same for adults.

I think its all about just making sure you give your baby a balanced diet and the occasional pouch won't do any harm but check the ingredients and nutritional value on the pack. Some of ella's savory ones are mostly fruit (thats why babies love them so much) but its not great for them. other brands seem to be more balanced although the study compared some of those too i think.

AnythingNotEverything Tue 10-Sep-13 15:06:23

I basically want to repeat every ManchesterHistoryGirl said.

This article isn't about BLW, it's about pre-prepared food out of boxes not being as nutritious as homemade food. (Let's assume we mean healthy homemade food, with no salt added etc, just for argument's sake).

No shit Sherlock.

AnythingNotEverything Tue 10-Sep-13 15:06:24

I basically want to repeat every ManchesterHistoryGirl said.

This article isn't about BLW, it's about pre-prepared food out of boxes not being as nutritious as homemade food. (Let's assume we mean healthy homemade food, with no salt added etc, just for argument's sake).

No shit Sherlock.

AnythingNotEverything Tue 10-Sep-13 15:06:24

I basically want to repeat every ManchesterHistoryGirl said.

This article isn't about BLW, it's about pre-prepared food out of boxes not being as nutritious as homemade food. (Let's assume we mean healthy homemade food, with no salt added etc, just for argument's sake).

No shit Sherlock.

AnythingNotEverything Tue 10-Sep-13 15:06:26

I basically want to repeat every ManchesterHistoryGirl said.

This article isn't about BLW, it's about pre-prepared food out of boxes not being as nutritious as homemade food. (Let's assume we mean healthy homemade food, with no salt added etc, just for argument's sake).

No shit Sherlock.

AnythingNotEverything Tue 10-Sep-13 15:06:40

I basically want to repeat every ManchesterHistoryGirl said.

This article isn't about BLW, it's about pre-prepared food out of boxes not being as nutritious as homemade food. (Let's assume we mean healthy homemade food, with no salt added etc, just for argument's sake).

No shit Sherlock.

The only surprise about this new report is that packaged baby food has half the nutrition of home-made. That's pretty appalling. I mean, if it was just as calorie-dense but with lower vitamins, I wouldn't have been surprised, but they say that babies need to eat twice as much from a jar as from home-made to get the same protein and energy.

Or, to put it another way, you need to buy two jars/pouches for the equivalent nutrition of a few tablespoons of home-made.

They show that ounce for ounce, packaged baby food has only the same nutrition levels as breastmilk (formula is 6kcal/100ml denser IIRC) but you'd never give a 6mo nearly half a pint of baby food, as that would be three or four jars!

Thurlow Tue 10-Sep-13 16:07:56

There is some very, very clever advertising going on with the pouches v jars - we weaned just a year ago and most people were using pouches and believing they were just the same as homemade food, whereas jars were evil.

Of course homemade food is going to be healthier, unless it's cooked a la MIL with two cartons of salt in every dish...

We actually did use quite a lot of jars in the early stages for various reasons. Not ideal of course, but that was the way it worked out. But then we had a baby who should have been born in the 1970s who also thought that baby-led weaning was the devil's work and only ate the smoothest purees, hand fed to her as if she was a Roman emperor grin

OneLittleToddleTerror Tue 10-Sep-13 16:12:33

@thurlow There is some very, very clever advertising going on with the pouches v jars - we weaned just a year ago and most people were using pouches and believing they were just the same as homemade food, whereas jars were evil.

That is exactly what I don't like about the pouches. There are many out that who believed they are just as good as homemade. (I don't understand why jar is worse either). I'm equally appalled about advertising on fruit juices and smoothies (like innocent). But I do drink them knowing they are no way one of my 5 a day. They are really tasty grin. But I also love a can of coke too! And a chocolate bar.

gamerchick Tue 10-Sep-13 16:16:10

Heh, I would have loved to see how this thread would have gone if it was an article about formula rather than babyfood grin

ouryve Tue 10-Sep-13 16:16:51

I think this study is really aimed at the people who think that if a 3 or 4 month old (or younger) baby is wanting lots of milk, they must be "hungry", so let's spoon some heinz chocolate pudding down it, rather than give it more milk or a higher protein formula.

AnythingNotEverything Tue 10-Sep-13 16:18:53

Wowzers - serious multiple post fail. Sorry folks wink

mrsmartin1984 Tue 10-Sep-13 17:28:04

I think it is shocking. Although it wasn't about BLW but because I chose to do that it gives me control of what I am giving my DD without going to the effort of having to make her own food and purree them up. This was the other option. But I always thought those jars looked disguising and I wouldn't give my child anything to eat that I wouldn't eat myself. And yes I know I can give my child crap to eat but I know they are crap. So I don't. These companies on the other hand were advertising these horrible little jars as "organic", "homemade" and "mum's own recipe". Which is misguided

I had loads of other Mum's laugh at me at one of the baby groups I go to. Because I didn't want to feed my 3/4month old these jars. And was planning to wait until she was ready and could eat properly. It just validates what I have done

LittleBearPad Tue 10-Sep-13 18:31:33

It's not shocking that the jars/pouches aren't as good as homemade. As other posters have said, no shit Sherlock.

They aren't as nutrient rich but they serve a purpose and they aren't full of crap. Checking the ingredient list shows this.

HavantGuard Tue 10-Sep-13 18:36:04

I'm not surprised about the huge gap in nutrition. I think it's because they make a small amount of ingredients go further by adding water and then thickening agents, so there's actually less fruit, veg or meat per 100g than in homemade.

HavantGuard Tue 10-Sep-13 18:37:17

They use apple juice as a sweetener. It looks fine on the ingredients list but it's still adding sugar.

HavantGuard Wed 11-Sep-13 00:33:12

This one is a good example.

The highest % ingredient in the food is 'cooking water.' So, water. It's listed before the veg so we know it makes up more than 36% of the contents. So over a third of that jar of food is added water. The corn starch and tapioca starch are thickeners. So it doesn't look like the jar is over a third water. It is called Sweet Potato and beef, but just over a quarter of the jar is sweet potato (27%) and only 8% is beef.

If you made it at home and weren't looking at profit margins, you would never use that much cooking water when you blended it. As a result you wouldn't need to thicken it because you hadn't made it too watery to begin with. If you filled the jar with homemade food it would have a much higher nutritional value because it wouldn't lose a third of the jar space to water and thickener.

Chunderella Wed 11-Sep-13 10:10:50

It was worth making that point multiple times AnythingNotEverything, this has literally nothing to do with BLW. The fact is that there are plenty of us who did neither BLW nor commercially prepared baby foods. If you think spoonfeeding must equal manufactured food or even purees at all, you need to learn things. Equally, there are people who have used pouches and preloaded spoons of stuff from baby jars for BLW. Which I'd imagine must get very expensive!

What are "baby grade" vegetables?

OneLittleToddleTerror Wed 11-Sep-13 10:20:09

You can feed a BLW baby with rice cakes and those Organix puff snacks. DD loves all of them. She's a BLW baby and I did buy here the Organix stuff when out and about. When she's a bit older, she loves the Organix oat bars too.

HavantGuard Wed 11-Sep-13 11:19:56

Baby grade vegetables are misshapen, bruised stuff that isn't considered good enough for supermarket shelves.

Going by the state if the veg in some shops I dread to think. Animal feed basically then

Chunderella Wed 11-Sep-13 11:27:18

To be fair, a lot of the veg in shops is selected due to appearance rather than actual taste or quality. It wouldn't especially surprise me if 'baby grade' referred to the fruit and veg that isn't symmetrical enough, or is amusingly shaped like body parts. I've never used a jar or pouch for DD so have no reason to be defensive, but one certainly shouldn't assume that produce the supermarkets won't take is necessarily defective.

HavantGuard Wed 11-Sep-13 11:58:04

If it was just appearance I would agree that it's not a big deal. They use fruit that's bruised and battered too, because you can't tell in a purée. It's way down at the bottom of things I'd be concerned about in bought baby food. The top would be the bulking out with water and thickener and the sweeteners (apple juice) that often aren't declared on the labels.

HavantGuard Wed 11-Sep-13 11:58:47

Fruit and veg

Chunderella Wed 11-Sep-13 12:10:36

Bruised fruit and veg is no great problem either, though, especially when you're cooking it. The same would be true if you're making it yourself- sure, you need to cut rotten bits off, but it's perfectly fine to eat produce that is slightly battered. So I agree that it shouldn't be a particular concern. The bulking out is what would piss me off too, and the fact that they charge so much.

HavantGuard Wed 11-Sep-13 12:50:38

Particularly as this stuff is aimed at small babies from 4 months. Filling them up with expensive thickened water is robbing them of the calories and nutrition the need to grow.

LittleBearPad Fri 13-Sep-13 17:07:21

I take your point Havant Guard but guidelines are to wait until 6 months another way the baby food industry is massively cynical. But babies get most of their nuitrition from milk until they are one or at least close to it. They will not grow much on any puréed carrot whether its Heinz, Ellas or puréed in mummy's magimix.
I confess clutched my pearls and hoicked judgy pants at a Facebook friends eleven week old trying his first solids, but my concern was far more about his age than him getting a ready made pouch.

Chunderella Fri 13-Sep-13 20:04:42

Regarding the 4 months, my understanding is that it has to be allowed to be advertised as such because of EU law. If it's permissible to advertise as 4 months in one EU country, it has to be permissible in the others. Sweden recommends weaning from 4-5 months now, so that's at least one. With that in mind, I doubt we'll see an end to baby food being marketed as 4 months plus any time soon. Any attempts to discourage early weaning will need a different approach.

GingerDoodle Sat 14-Sep-13 09:32:27

O goody another article to make mums feel bad but stating the obvious.

Home cooked food is obviously going to be better than ready made; in much the same way as it is better than ready meals.

As others have said its its just important to have a balanced diet!

burberryqueen Sat 14-Sep-13 09:37:06

onelittletoddleterror
tinned fruit is fine, have u never wondered why your 'good' fresh apples are so shiny and perfect ?

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