Why are baby jars of food bad?

(160 Posts)
WeeSooty Sat 30-Mar-13 22:44:29

I'm just about to start weaning my DD. Planning to do home cooked meals ect. However I have been given free samples of baby rice, a purée baby jar of food and a purée pouch of fruit. One of my friends in particular is horrified by this but can't seem to properly explain why other that not good for baby apparently. Are they really that bad and why are they so bad?

Thanks!

lyndie Sat 30-Mar-13 22:47:55

Have you tasted them? They are disgusting, bland, textureless......

LastOrdersAtTheBra Sat 30-Mar-13 22:49:12

I bought a jar of baby food for DS1, it was some sort of bean casserole and contained pineapple purée. They're generally made artificially sweet using 'natural' ingredients (so they can claim to have no artificial additives), but all the savoury ones I looked at contained fruit purée sweetener.

I don't think a few jars every now and again are going to do any harm, but it seems very obvious why children raised entirely on jars won't eat real meals which don't have the sweet flavour.

agnesf Sat 30-Mar-13 22:49:40

Guess its like the difference between you eating a plate of fresh salad and home cooked veg and a tin of peas/ potatoes. The tinned stuff issn't really bad for you but not as good as the fresh stuff

girliefriend Sat 30-Mar-13 22:49:57

I think people are very quick to judge and be snobby about baby food in jars, they are not that bad and as long as they are not all your baby is eating then I don't think they are a problem.

nannyof3 Sat 30-Mar-13 22:50:04

Try ella's pouches.. They are great!!!

sittinginthesun Sat 30-Mar-13 22:50:20

I don't think they're "bad", but they're pretty tasteless. If your baby gets a taste for them, you may struggle with real food later. It would be like eating ready meals every meal.

I made my own meals, but used the odd organic jar on long journeys etc. the puddings were handy sometimes.

Blessyou Sat 30-Mar-13 22:51:49
agnesf Sat 30-Mar-13 22:52:12

Disagree with last poster. Having pureed like mad for DD she only ever wanted to eat one particular brand/ flavour of baby food but now is happy to gobble down home made everything including chilli beans and veg curry

yellowhousewithareddoor Sat 30-Mar-13 22:52:13

I'm not sure why people think the pouches are any better than jars? You get it a lot in naice circles where people of course wouldn't use jars - but still use a pouch as if that's better. What's the difference?

jkklpu Sat 30-Mar-13 22:52:19

I think there is a spectrum of quality. The standard jars of orange goo taste pretty minging, once you get beyond plain fruit and veg, and quite samey; it's also pretty texture-free. Anything preserved needs additives to stop it from going off, so you need to consider that. Fresh stuff (or fresh stuff that you've frozen yourself) tastes better and has nothing extra in it, so you can be more confident of what you're putting inside your child. All that said, the odd jar/pouch here and there isn't going to harm your child and can be helpful during long journeys and other occasions when you're not near your freezer/a kitchen.

ceeveebee Sat 30-Mar-13 22:52:20

They are not "bad for baby" but are seen as the height of laziness by some mothers (and yes I am being sexist but I've never come across a father who held any opinion on this). Agree they taste of nothing nice though, and may be a risk that baby gets too used to the texture / peculiar processed taste and refuses proper food later on

I never used jars myself but did and still do use fruit pouches (twins are 16 months), very easy way of getting babies to self feed.

diddlediddledumpling Sat 30-Mar-13 22:52:20

They're not bad. They don't fit in with blw, but they're perfectly fine and nutritious. (Maybe not the baby rice, which seems to be just powdered starch with some vits and minerals added. But you can add some to a fruit or veg purée to make it more substantial).
It's interesting that your friend can't tell you what's wrong with them. Has she maybe just adopted someone else's opinion on them without thinking it through for herself?

WeeSooty Sat 30-Mar-13 22:54:03

Haven't tasted the stuff myself although I will and wouldn't feed her it if I wouldn't eat it myself.

I just wondered what was so wrong with them as all the stuff that came with them, designed by the company so obviously biased, makes them sound great!

I'm happy to make my own food for DD but just overwhelmed at the moment by the other baby food items out there! Is the Ella's kitchen stuff better? Or is it just expensively packaged but really just the same as the others?

agnesf Sat 30-Mar-13 22:55:07

Agree with the cost thing

WeeSooty Sat 30-Mar-13 22:57:57

Oops millions of cross posts there.

Thanks everyone smile the friend in particular is so confident with everything baby related I often feel a bit insecure around her! But from
What you are all saying so far nothing shockingly terrible with the baby things, just not great for very single day.

O and yes to the person who said pouches are seen as much more acceptable than jars, very strange!

RC1234 Sat 30-Mar-13 23:01:30

When we started weaning I tried making purees of normal food that tasted very nice until I put them into the blender and then they tasted bitter and yuck. DD hated everthing I made and I can't blame her. I was so keen I made huge batches of everything in advance. I suggest you look for a baby puree cook book before even attempting to go down that route - there is definately an art. I was too demoralised for a while so I can't give any tips on purees.

However once she got to being able to eat mashed food (bye bye blender) - home cooking was back on the menu and she loved my cooking.

The health visitor said that jars were bad because baby would get used to something always tasting the same and not like variety. I got round that by not using one type of jar more than twice a week.

WeeSooty Sat 30-Mar-13 23:04:14

Blessyou that article is eye opening! And really interesting, thank you.

tilder Sat 30-Mar-13 23:04:27

There is a whole load of judginess that comes with weaning. Whatever you do someone will be horrified. Seriously, their tastes change all the time and so many children eat anything at 2, 3 or 4 and then just get fussy.

Pouches and jars aren't the height of culinary delight, but the odd one or more is really not going to turn your child into a junk food addict.

FWIW. Ds1 was full on home made organic pureed. Very healthy and varied. Now is happy to eat protein, carbs, the occasional veg and no fruit. Ds2 had a lot of jars and now eats pretty much anything and I have to limit his fruit intake. Dd is blw and so fussy its unbelievable.

They are all different, if some jars or pouches work then great.

Posterofapombear Sat 30-Mar-13 23:06:13

I don't eat ready meals. They taste funny and they have stuff I can't pronounce in them.

I didn't feed DD jars or pouches because they taste funny and have stuff in I can't pronounce.

If you are happy with processed factory food then feed the same to your baby. It really is horses for courses.

Coconutty Sat 30-Mar-13 23:08:19

Mine had loads of jars didn't have pouches in those days.

agnesf Sat 30-Mar-13 23:08:49

Axtually the things that DD did like that weren't from jars were not pureed. She liked things like bits of bread or chewing on a bit of cooked carrot. When DS was a baby the advice was to wean at 4 months but for DD it was 6 months and honestly think when they are a bit older they enjoy solids more.

The nutritional value of all that pureed stuff must be almost nil. I would hold off if you can - after all what did mums do before belnders and jars?

pinkpudding Sat 30-Mar-13 23:12:32

my friend has weaned 3 children exclusively on jars. i thought she was mad as i have always spent hours making annabel karmel batches for mine. but her kids eat anything and everything and love exploring different flavours. maybe all the blandness gave them the incentive to discover better stuff.

YellowandGreenandRedandBlue Sat 30-Mar-13 23:17:18

That article was very interesting! It's the idea of a jar having such a long shelf life that seems most wrong to me, can hardly be the most nutritious.

Plus the cost!

Blessyou Sat 30-Mar-13 23:25:38

I did a combo of mostly home made but some jars for DC 1, then BLW for DC2.
I didn't see much wrong with the occasional jar either, but having read that article I wouldn't want to use even 1 jar or pouch for ghe third child I won't be having

WeeSooty Sat 30-Mar-13 23:28:50

Yeah I must admit that article is making me look at the free samples in a whole new, and not very good, light! Ah well it also came with a free spoon, least I can use that! grin

Blessyou Sat 30-Mar-13 23:36:08

The worst bit for me was the 'acceptable levels of contamination'. 15 fly eggs or 1 maggot are allowed etc [boak]

ariane5 Sat 30-Mar-13 23:37:58

Ds2 11months has a mixture of homecooked food and jars, he usually has porridge for breakfast, a jar for lunch and whatever we are having mashed up for dinner.

He seems to enjoy the jars/pouches as much as homecooked although he doesn't tend to like the fruit jars.

Viviennemary Sat 30-Mar-13 23:42:00

I believe in making life easy. I can't see the harm in jars and home cooked food. Why do women want to be martyrs. If they want to grow their own veg cook it, keep chickens then fine. But don't expect everyone else to do it. Life's too short. Nothing wrong with jars.

Creameggkr Sat 30-Mar-13 23:42:40

If my dd is teething or off colour there are one or two varieties of baby food that she will always eat.
If she hasn't eaten well for a few days I'm always really pleased to see her wolf down a dish of baby food.
I've always done mix of my food with the odd jar thrown in for convenience.
My five are all good adventures eaters

YellowandGreenandRedandBlue Sat 30-Mar-13 23:45:29

Not sure what keeping chickens has to do with anything? Strange remark.

Viviennemary Sat 30-Mar-13 23:51:07

You're right Yellow. It doesn't really. I got a bit carried away on my rant. grin

beanandspud Sat 30-Mar-13 23:52:43

Don't know whether this helps but DS had a lot of jars of baby food - they were convenient at the time and although I would have preferred to have weaned him on home-cooked meals it didn't quite work like that.

Fast-forward and at 5yrs old he eats everything - we go out for Chinese, Indian, Italian... He loves eating and having jars of baby food did him no harm whatsoever...

Please don't worry if you choose to use jars, it isn't necessarily an indicator of how your DC will eat in later life.

rainbowsprite1 Sat 30-Mar-13 23:55:35

I did BLW with both of mine but if they looked hungry they got mush. one of my DD's was bottlefed & got top notch organic mush. the other was breastfed & hated my fresh orgainic veg mush, but loved jars.... the end result... they are 5 & 6 and no one can tell me who was fed what as a baby.. my child who has eczema & allergy issues was breastfed, the child who has no issues & is totally fine is bottlefed & is my "sensitive" daughter...

Angelico Sat 30-Mar-13 23:57:23

We are using the little Ella's Kitchen pouches because DD (6 months) is having such tiny amounts of food at the minute. They are organic and don't appear to contain any nasties - which is more than can be said for the non-organic stuff we eat confused Once she's eating more textured stuff she'll just have what we're having - for now it's some Ella's fruit / veg purees and some finger food to gnaw on. She's loving it grin

DD loved Ella's pouches, but they struck me as being a bit low in protein (which it the most expensive ingredient generally). We were given some jars which included salt as an ingredient, obviously they didn't go near DD. I think they are variable in quality, so it is worth looking at them individually rather than as a whole and the protein thing would put me off over relying on them.

scottishmummy Sun 31-Mar-13 00:11:12

They're not bad,and can be useful back up.but homemade is way cheaper
I made purees and froze them as ice cubes,really easy to home cook
But no harm in jar or pouches at all

Weightlessbaby Sun 31-Mar-13 00:16:42

DD has a jar every now and then when we're out and about. I buy jars rather than pouches purely because of cost. IMO the jars seem to all have the same base orangey/tomatoey sauce with the other ingredients added; then the preserving processes that mean they all taste the same.

I happily eat this off a spoon to demonstrate to DD how lovely it is when she tries to feed me! I have eaten far worse in my student days, on various 'basic' holidays and don't see the problem with this kind of food from time to time.

At home we have freshly prepared food every night; the leftovers are mashed and frozen for the majority of DD's meals. We didn't do BLW but started DD on baby rice at 4 months, gradually introduced veg/fruit puress and started on finger foods at 6 months. She's 13 months now and eats everything (except milk now- she's never liked that!)

I think it depends how sensitive you are to food processing issuies. Would you eat the baby food? Would you eat processeed foods yourself? You don't sound like the sort of person who's going to end up with a child subsisting solely on junk so I wouldn't worry too much! (says the woman who was given disapproving stares in Maccy D's yesterday by parents of an Ella's pouch ehthusiast baby, as her DD munched on chips!)

Twentytotwo Sun 31-Mar-13 00:27:13

That article is really shocking. 'Beef' casserole that only has to have 10% beef in to meet legal requirements, water being the main ingredient followed by bulking agents and the use of trans fats. So basically watery, starchy mush with much less nutritional value than any home cooked version.

notcitrus Sun 31-Mar-13 00:36:04

Dc2 has eaten more ready made food than I'd like - but there is a difference with the pouches - firstly most do actually taste of something quite nice - there's a purple berry one you could put over a dessert in a fine restaurant, whereas many of the jars are more carb, carrot and tomato. Secondly pouches are lighter to carry, can be easily fed via finger on a crowded bus, and can't smash into fragments on your kitchen floor causing nightmare clearup while fractious baby waits!

Some are sweet - Apple juice is basically marketer speak for sugar, but others aren't bad at all.

orangebuccaneer Sun 31-Mar-13 00:37:19

That article is truly shocking.

Having been very ill myself a few years ago (cancer) I try to treat my body with respect, and that includes putting as few chemicals and junk into it as possible. I follow that same reasoning with my children: their bodies are so delicate. Why increase the risk of disease if you don't have to??

Similar argument to BF vs FF in a lot of ways: the health benefits of BF are too overwhelming for me not to... (not wishing to start that debate!).

I did BLW with #1 and will do so again with #2: that way a snack is a piece of banana or carrot, which is just as easy as a pouch, as well as much more nutritious and cheaper.

zippey Sun 31-Mar-13 00:38:13

We have a 2 year old and she eats mainly jars of food. She seems to like limitied varieties though. They are yummy and nutricious and can be cheap. Offer in Asda for 12 jars for £6. Better than making food for baby and then wasting it when baby doesnt eat.

Id start off with the jars and then by a certain age they will be eating the same as you.

scottishmummy Sun 31-Mar-13 00:42:48

Zippy I can assure you homemade with premium ingredients will make more than 12dinners for £6
Feed your child jars if you want but it's not more cost effective at all
If you batch cook you will get way more than 12dinners for£6

Mine always just ate what we did, mashed of course. I don't use salt on cooking so was fine for a baby. They both eat everything now. I just don't know why you'd bother?
Zippey is your 2 yo really still on jars?

scottishmummy Sun 31-Mar-13 00:49:43

Why is 2yo eating jars?is there a physiological reason or is it preference/habit
By 2yo should eat big range foods- not jars
Cook salt free that's main thing

Wowserz129 Sun 31-Mar-13 02:00:05

Pouches are no better than jars. Not sure why people buy into that idea!

The odd jar is fine but not jars day in, day out. They are bland, disgusting and full of crap!

JourneyThroughLife Sun 31-Mar-13 02:04:24

I used baby jars with both my children. Yes, they are far more expensive but I felt the money worth paying because it "bought" me time as well, as I wasn't spending hours and hours cooking and pureeing stuff especially for the babies. Jars were quick and easy, especially at the point where the babies neded to be introduced to solids but couldn't take "lumps" without choking. But they were just a stage, later I introduced our own stuff and have have no problems with either child over choosing varied foods, different tastes, no fussiness.... I really think it doesn't matter, the only problem is cost if you have to watch the budget.

zippey Sun 31-Mar-13 02:08:19

When I say 12 jars for £6, she eats about half a jar per meal, so in effect it works out around 24 meals.

Yes its not jars every meal of course, and we try and vary the jars, as well as a variation to non-jarred normal meals, and she doesnt have a jar for lunch. Variation is the key I think. When I say 2, I mean about 21 months.

scottishmummy Sun 31-Mar-13 02:09:56

I never spent hours and hours cooking.literally cooked every 4-6wk froze meals
Making own food isn't onerous you cook for yourself?steam extra for baby at sametime

kickassangel Sun 31-Mar-13 02:12:58

Depending on the make, the jars can have quite a lot of water and other cheap ingredients to bulk them out, without enough protein. They almost all have apple in, even the savory ones, and if you have a child that reacts to each new food (not unusual) they can have things in you wouldn't expect, so hard to track what they are reacting to. They're also very bland and smooth, whereas real food is more textured and encourages chewing more. Jars also cost a load more, and require a lot of packaging, if those things bother you.

Having said all that, they won't really harm your child.

Dd reacted to apple, though, so I couldn't give her any of them, and used to be up til midnight purée ing pears as the only guaranteed safe food. I'm not resentful at all, oh no.

scottishmummy Sun 31-Mar-13 02:13:37

Zippy I can assure you the math on jars doesn't stack up home food way cheaper
When you cook your food,steam some for child.get in habit cook for child,freeze it
21month should Eat food you eat,no salt though

Angelico Sun 31-Mar-13 02:14:49

The Ella's pouches are v nice! I always taste them first and they really do just taste of fruit and veg. But as Journey says they are a stage (in this case stage 1). It would cost me far more in both money and time to go and buy weird and wonderful veg, wash them, peel them, cook them, puree them, freeze them etc etc than just squeeze a blob into pot and serve! It also doesn't seem to stop DD trying bits of mash from our plates and bits of toast, bagel, banana etc. Once she is eating more they would get too expensive but for now the pouches are pricey but will do her for 4 meals.

scottishmummy Sun 31-Mar-13 02:22:07

I really do not agree some punnet fruit mashed more pricy than pouch
It's not a faff,it's not weirdy,it's quite straightforward

yellowhousewithareddoor Sun 31-Mar-13 04:57:06

I think it must be psychological (clever marketing) that makes people think pouches are better than jars. Reassuringly expensive?

MyShoofly Sun 31-Mar-13 05:17:04

I did not find making my kids food hard or expensive - just steam veg, blend/mash and batch freeze in ice cube trays. Shred whatever meat we were having with small cheese grater. Easy.

It may be judgey but I don't get jars of banana, avocado etc. How hard is it to peel and mash a banana? for me jars just don't seem to have much in common with what real food looks like, tastes like, feels like and so forth.

sleepywombat Sun 31-Mar-13 05:19:44

My ds2 has allergies & food aversions, so I spend hours boiling, pureeing organic meat & veg for him. He has never had a jar/pouch.

Ds1, almost 3, still has the odd organic fruit pouch as a snack or pudding. He loves them & begs for them. For me it is a tonne cheaper than buying a range fruit. We are in Australia & fruit (& veg) is not cheap. Things like berries are not available here out of season & even in season are eyewateringly expensive.

saycheeeeeese Sun 31-Mar-13 05:49:11

I used fruit pouches and tried DD with the toddler meals but stopped because her nappies were really bad!
She got what we were having, I had to mush it down because unfortunately she just didn't do BLW despite my best efforts(wouldn't eat just choked).
She's 18 mo and I wouldn't even consider a jar or pouch now, that article is shocking!

vvviola Sun 31-Mar-13 07:18:14

DD2 eats pretty much what we eat (more than her sister did at similar ages) partly because I had a bit more time, a lot more confidence and then partly because she has food allergies so finding option without dairy or egg was tricky.

But, I still (at 19 months) buy the occasional jar. One lives in her nappy bag for those days we end up going for a meal unplanned and they can't accommodate her allergies. I also usually have a few pouches in the cupboard - they work quite well as a basic pasta sauce when seriously pressed for time or when we're travelling.

Honestly don't see a thing wrong with them except they're expensive and maybe a bit blander than I'd like. Hasn't harmed either DD as far as I can tell. DD1 will eat anything and DD2 isn't far behind although if anyone can tell me why she refused a sausage roll the other evening before begging for, and devouring, a leaf of lettuce, I'd be very grateful. Odd child

Fairylea Sun 31-Mar-13 07:36:11

You can't compare ready meals to baby jars. At all. If you read the ingredients in a jar or pouch of baby food there is nothing bad in them whatsoever.

Personally I use a lot of pouches as I think ds eats healthier eating them than eating what I eat!

Do whatever suits you and don't worry about all the anti jar propaganda out there, a lot of it is led by baby led weaning experts and not necessarily true. Most parents do a mixture of puree and finger food. It's fine to do both.

YellowandGreenandRedandBlue Sun 31-Mar-13 07:47:48

Fairylea there is loads of crap in jars.

I didn't think about it but when I read that article, it pointed out some of the food has a shelf life of years! That is not going to be healthy food.

ChasedByBees Sun 31-Mar-13 07:58:16

There's nothing wrong per se, as long as they're not used exclusively. The flavours tend towards the sweeter end of the spectrum so you might get your baby used to sweet foods. Also they are very mono-textured so it can be harder to introduce lumps.

I just found it easier to share what we were eating and do BLW. The odd Ella's pouch was quite useful but I was shocked to find one which was called chicken something only had 8% chicken. Once DD's tiny appetite was taken into consideration, the amount of protein she had was virtually homeopathic.

That article is so biased, not all patents who buy jars or pouches are gullible. It's a matter of convenience.
We would save a few portions of whatever we were having if it was suitable and substitute any other meals with a jar. But FWIW we started on the chunkier jars because we know so many fussy children who don't like textures. I'd say DS ate 4-5 jars a week and now (20mo) demolishes anything we give him.
Although I'm not smug enough to not realise that this will probably change. grin

Oh and just to add DS loves strong flavours especially garlic. That might be because, as someone up thread said, the blandness of the jars has made him crave food that is more exciting.

Flisspaps Sun 31-Mar-13 08:05:57

They're not bad, I just didn't bother with purée or mashed food - I'm too lazy to spoonfeed anything especially as my two (and pretty much any baby of weaning age) could feed themselves grin

ClairesTravellingCircus Sun 31-Mar-13 08:14:07

Ithat article is truly shocking, I have never been too keen on jars/pouches, and the article confirms what I kind of sudpected, only worseshock

I don't think there's any harm in the occasional jar, as long as they get lots of fresh food. They still have lots of growing to do, they need all the nutrients they can get!

Pureeing food is not necessarily a hard job, we eat lots of veggies/soups so babies' meals often came from that, when I cooked specifically for them, I'd make loads so I could freeze it.

I definitely agree also with someone further up who said that jars are too puréed have you tried to get food like that?! You have to cook it for ages!
Fliss as soon as my DS could comfortable feed himself it was bliss, grin he was around a year I think.
He's so territorial with his food now I'm always surprised he doesn't growl at me like a dog when I try to help or take his plate away!

FamiliesShareGerms Sun 31-Mar-13 08:14:50

Nothing wrong with jars (people fretting about the shelf life need to go and look through their cupboards at how long you can keep a tin of baked beans, for example). But they are too expensive for one thing to use every day, as well as limiting your options for introducing new tastes and flavours.

I found the pudding ones the most useful, before the DC moved on to yogurts.

I agree with the poster who likened this to the BF / FF debate - whilst one method is "better", the other isn't "bad". But a bit shock at a 21 month old still eating jars on a regular basis (sorry)

AuntLucyInPeru Sun 31-Mar-13 08:20:59

The hipp jars seemed to have in them exactly the same stuff as I was painstakingly steaming and pureeing, and DS liked them (unlike my food, which he mostly spat out hmm). And the Ella's pouches were great 'on the go' at weekends - lightweight and easy to pack. Other times they just had a mashed up bit of what we were having. All of it was organic and additive-free. Not that I would have bothered me unduly if it wasn't. There are bigger parenting-fails then allowing a tablespoon of non-organic meat to pass your toddlers lips <shrug>

Mooshbag Sun 31-Mar-13 08:21:02

For me it was mainly the taste and a bit of PFBitis. DD never really took to purées...I don't think she liked the texture.

Is there any evidence to show that jar fed children have problems eating when older?

MakeHayNotStraw Sun 31-Mar-13 08:32:01

I never used a single pouch or jar for either of my two, and having read that article I am very pleased. It wasn't really for any particular reason (although I prefer to cook from scratch rather than ready meals), so I wouldn't recoil in horror from a friend using one.
However, I just don't get the spending hours steaming/mashing/pureeing - BLW is soooo much easier! Never pureed a thing! <Lazy>

Fairylea Sun 31-Mar-13 08:32:35

Dd is 10 years old, was fed largely on jars until 9 months old and now eats anything and everything and mostly fresh cooked meals, including lots of fruit and vegetables. Never had any issues with food. Ds is the same. I use mainly pouches with him as he prefers them to the jars. I just don't have time or the inclination to cook a proper lunch for him for example and we all eat at different times to him so rather than give him some of my egg sandwich / soup full of salt / pasta in sauce from a jar etc I give him a baby pouch. If I can save him someo what we have for a main mealgl then I will. He does have fresh fruit, egg etc.

That article is scaremongering. Yes there may be fillers and such like in baby jars but they are ok as part of a balanced diet with baby milk and fruit as well. No one bats an eyelid giving older toddlers cows milk and legally that is allowed to contain a certain percentage of pus (I used to be strict vegan and did a lot of research into the food industry).. so allowing the odd well cooked maggot in something isn't going to do any harm at all. In fact in lots of societies they are considered good sources of protein. Controversial? Yes.

People are so upset about jars and pouches for babies and yet once they become.toddlers it all seems to go out of the window and they don't even have the breast milk or formula milk to supplement the diet a lot of the time.

Blessyou Sun 31-Mar-13 08:34:53

throughgrittedteeth what is the other side of the debate that the article is not balanced with? Genuinely interested, because it really shocked me.

I don't consider myself gullible at all, but there's a lot in there that I didn't realise.

Mooshbag Sun 31-Mar-13 08:38:22

I'm pleased I read the article because I fell for the AK biscuits (even though I think her recipes are bonkers). I work in marketing so I should know better!

Blessyou Sun 31-Mar-13 08:43:09

Xposted fairylea

I think most people are under the impression , like I was, that jars are quick and easy (true), nutritious (much less so than I realised!), safe and clean (generally true but I would be shock at insects in my food, let alone my baby's)

Agree, having done both traditional weaning and baby led that BLW ticks all the boxes for convenience, nutrition, cost etc

Khaleese Sun 31-Mar-13 08:44:20

I can be rarther smug after reading that article. None of mine had baby pouches, jars etc. They also didn't have any of the posh processed snacks ( organix etc) i was mostly concerned with the preservatives.

I did blw, but felt they are a complete waste of money. It's never cheaper to buy them over cooking your own.

tilder Sun 31-Mar-13 08:48:05

That article is alarmist and biased. You do need to add water to anything to make a puree, I know I did so am not surprised there is water in baby puree. There are also incredibly strict rules on babyfood.

Totally agree with the shelf life comparison upthread too - tins etc have a long shel life as the are produced and packed in a sterile manner. The reason home produced and frozen food has a shorter shelf life is because it wasn't sterile.

I bf all of mine but am also aware that they will take in lots of undesirable things that way too. I don't have an organic diet for example. Children won't have a completely chemical free diet and like all thing food its about balance.

AlbertaCampion Sun 31-Mar-13 09:00:44

Arrrrgh, that damned article again! (The one from AlphaMommy or whatever it's called, to which people are linking on this thread.) Someone sent it to me last month. As a mum I'm used to being made to feel bad/guilty by smug know-it-alls, whatever decisions I make. But even so, that article irritated me to all heckers!

As far as I'm concerned it's a sanctimonious diatribe written by and for the benefit of the holier-than-thous. All the outrage about jars being mostly water... Um, so is most puréed / BLW food! By the time I got to the blown-up stock pictures of insects, I was rolling my eyes. Are people on here really taking it THAT seriously?

(And if you are, you have to admit: you can't complain about lack of protein in one sentence and the presence of maggots in the next wink)

I expect I'm like a lot of mums: my DC ended up on a mixture of homemade purées, BLW and the occasional jar or pouch. And it was fine. Jars/pouches had their place, and I was pleased to have them. When I was too ill to cook, or when we were on long journeys or doing the family rounds at Christmas, they were a lifesaver.

If you can't bear to feed your precious little one jars, then fine. But seriously: it's a jar of baby food, not a pot of pestilence.

AuntLucyInPeru Sun 31-Mar-13 09:01:11

I wanted to put that article through the Ben Goldacre 'Bad Pharma' test because it read like a load of inflammatory bollocks to me...

Figgygal Sun 31-Mar-13 09:05:13

There's nothing wrong with them once in a while IMO

Flisspaps Sun 31-Mar-13 09:14:27

There's absolutely no need for a 21 month old to be on jars. Not even for the odd meal, or top-ups.

Chewing food isn't just important for nutrition, it helps with speech (strengthening the jaw/tongue).

Why do you not dish up the same meal as you eat?!

ClairesTravellingCircus Sun 31-Mar-13 09:20:51

I think tge bottom line is that anything that is mass-produced will never be the same quality as home made.

To me it's not about the probable fussyness later (they all go there), nor do I think they're dangerous, but they are just not as nutritious as fresh food is.

£6/€9 would buy enough meat to feed me dp and 2 kids for 3 meals. No way is it more economical. At 21 months your dd should just eat what you do? Would half a jar even be enough at a meal?
The article doesn't say anything that you couldn't find out by reading the labels carefully I don't think.

MousyMouse Sun 31-Mar-13 09:30:20

they are not too bad, imo. but not suitable as sole source of food.
they are mainly starchy and lack protein and fat, so the least you should do is mix in some good fat (extra virgin olive oil) and make sure that baby has enough milk for protein.
some are better than others, though. I think hipp and rachel are pretty good (and organic).
and best not rely on them completely but see tham as a treat and for convenience.

Soery not read whole thread but surely it's the difference between processed food and fresh food? Anything in a jar or pouch that doesn't need to be refridgerated is obviously not that fresh. And my diet, and my DCs' contains lots of jarred/pouched food, but in addition to fresh stuff.

SlinkyB Sun 31-Mar-13 10:01:24

I think it's a case of everything in moderation/being sensible.

It's all very well saying cook from scratch and give baby some of what you eat. But what if your diet isn't particularly healthy or nutritious? I don't enjoy cooking or spending hours in the kitchen after a long day at work, and dh and I eat quite a lot of rich, spicy, salty, convenient food which is not suitable for babies or toddlers.

That article was shocking. I knew that nutritionally and taste wise they can't compare to home cooked food but I had no idea they contained do little if what the main flavour is. I never used them mainly because the idea of sitting down to eat a meal while my baby ate processed mush was not one I was comfortable with. Ii refused to pay the money for a jar when the local market could sell be a whole bag of carrots for very little extra and I only had to waste one ice cube full if she didn't.

I'm sure for many people they have been life savers and agree that used as jars are meant to be used ie out and about if baby gets hungry, or whilst waiting for an appointment etc and not used every meal every day, then I doubt any harm will be done. But personally I wouldn't use them. If there's one thing I won't compromise on its that.

littleducks Sun 31-Mar-13 10:14:54

I don't really see the point or jars/pouches. If we were out and about and I got stuck for food I'd give my babies a rice cake or a banana or something. At home either I made a nursery tea for both of them (pasta/jacket potatoe/fish pie) if we were having something unsuitable or they ate what we ate with the recipe tweaked so salt was added at the end.

Slinky, I am not being judgemental, believe me, I am generally a very bad and lazy cook. But after the child has been "weaned" then they will eat what you eat surely? So at the age of about 18 months (I think) will they share your bad diet?
Having children forced us to up our act a bit. I'm still a lazy cook and my children have far from an ideal diet. But I started to realise that beans on toast with a slice of ham or piece of cheese is better than, say, a ready made lasagne that claims to contain vegetables.

Yes littleducks. Our children have always eaten what we eat - not because they now eat grilled sea bass with griddled aubergine and courgette, but because we eat stuff like jacket potato, pasta and sauce, boiled eggs etc smile

saycheeeeeese Sun 31-Mar-13 10:22:37

My 18mo eats spicy stuff we just add creme fraiche or yogurt to it, when we have a chippy she gets some of my chips and chicken goujons without the batter, when we have steak she gets a bit of steak and mash.

At the weekend I make her fish fingers, carrot waffles and peas if we are going to get a takeaway when she's in bed. I honestly don't think a toddler needs jars.

SlinkyB Sun 31-Mar-13 10:30:29

Oh, we eat healthily when we eat with ds - fresh veg, lean meat, fresh fruit etc, but I remember when we were weaning and fancied a take-away or spicy curry then ds might have a baby meal.

There's also the time thing. Babies/toddlers tend to eat their evening meal earlier than the parents, esp if they come home late from work.

Each to their own, like I said, as long as the jar is only now and again, I don't see the harm. Ds is 2.2 now and is a very good eater. According to that article though, because I gave him the occasional jar or pouch, he'll grow up to be obese, diabetic and have cancer hmm.

SlinkyB Sun 31-Mar-13 10:31:51

Agree toddlers don't need jars at all.

Yes, agree with that. If we have a takeaway or want to eat when they're in bed they have beans on toast or whatever. When they were babies they'd just get bread, ham cheese, cucumber, or whatever.

LeBoob Sun 31-Mar-13 10:40:13

Would you eat some meat that would taste the same today as it would in 2 years? A lot of the jars have stupidly long expiry dates which made me wonder what they do to the food to make it 'good' for that long?!

Also I read that a lot of the lids on the jars were not bpa free ( or whatever it is)

bigkidsdidit Sun 31-Mar-13 10:50:45

I used to buy 3 or 4 Ella's Kitchens a month in my big shop and keep them for when we were out and DS was suddenly starving, or if I was too tired to cook. Otherwise I just fork mashed our food.

There's nothing wrong with them IMO and I think that article is a bit daft. I wouldn't do it for every meal because of cost and introducing texture, though.

MrsSham Sun 31-Mar-13 11:06:08

I'm sorry but I would go so far to say half a jar at 21 months is neglectful. It is neither enough in quantity, nutrition and variety. Please start feeding your dc real food.

ariane5 Sun 31-Mar-13 11:06:17

I don't think it is terrible for a 21mth old to sometimes have a jar. I remember ds1 and dd2 still having jars at around 18 months (and prob still had odd jar around 21m too but I don't remember!).

I found jars Really handy for dcs due to allergies as if we went anywhere I knew I could feed them so probably relied on them for longer than most people would.

I think there's a difference between sometimes having a jar at 21 months and "mainly" having a jar, as it says upthread.
Are they big jars? Because half a jar seems small, unless it's alongside something else

diddlediddledumpling Sun 31-Mar-13 11:30:14

Half a jar of this, followed by a yoghurt or banana could easily feed a 21 month old. Yes, half a jar of fruit purée would not nourish a child that age,' but otherwise the 'neglect' comment is out of order in my opinion.

MrsSham Sun 31-Mar-13 11:39:21

I don't agree

mamij Sun 31-Mar-13 11:43:14

Both DDs ate what we ate since we started weaning, but jars/pouches definitely came in handy when we Ho on holiday.

We took suitcase full of Ella's kitchens pouches when we went to Asia as it was difficult to eat out with two nut intolerant toddlers/babies! So if jars are bad - I've been an awful mum by giving it to them instead of food which may contain nuts and they are intolerant to!

Btw, I prefer pouches as they are easier if you need to feed them on the go.

ariane5 Sun 31-Mar-13 11:44:33

My 11month old has half to one jar (small jars-hipp ones) for lunch usually, he just doesn't have a big appetite and has reflux.
Perhaps the poster who feeds her 21 month old has a child with a small appetite? Or perhaps it is half a large jar followed by finger foods or fruit.
Neither is neglect. Not feeding a child at ALL would be neglect.

Ahh yes, those jars are a bit bigger. I've only ever seen the small ones

diddlediddledumpling Sun 31-Mar-13 12:04:49

This is what the poster who said half a jar for 21 month old actually went on to say:

Yes its not jars every meal of course, and we try and vary the jars, as well as a variation to non-jarred normal meals, and she doesnt have a jar for lunch. Variation is the key I think. When I say 2, I mean about 21 months.

She is not neglecting her child in any way.

The important thing, is to READ THE LABEL. Check the ingredients - the same way you would when buying something for yourself. The list of ingredients always starts with what the meal has most of - so if it says 'water' first, you know the majority of the meal is made of water.

I've used jars and pouches, along side finger foods and homecooked meals. I found the jars great for going out in particular. While on a long train journey with my 7 month old, I chose a cauliflower cheese jar, and a fruity pouch (both won't stain clothes etc), much easier to feed baby from a jar on a train than attempt BLW on there!

I also always have a couple in the cupboard for those days when we get home at 6pm, I've forgotten to defrost something homemade and he needs to eat quickly before bed. In the same way that I would have a frozen pizza for tea if it was late and I was hungry.

The cost isn't that bad, if you're using them as an occasional 'convenience food'. Asda often do 12 jars for £5, which would easily last us a month.
We don't eat ready-meals, in fact I can't remember the last time I had a microwave meal, as we don't own a microwave!

Oh, and my lad eats anything. Mostly - he loves spicy foods, and strong flavours like capers and olives.

MakingAnotherList Sun 31-Mar-13 12:27:48

Thanks for the link to that article Blessyou.
It was a real eye opener! shock

Twentytotwo Sun 31-Mar-13 12:34:30

I would expect a little water to thin something the meat and veg. I wouldn't expect the main ingredient to be water to thin the mix and then the next biggest ingredient to be starch to thicken the mix. That suggests that the water is being added to make the it go further.

MrsSham Sun 31-Mar-13 12:39:35

I would say that sounds sufficient for an 11 month but seriously I don't think for a 21 month.

Oh, and if anyone just reads that alphamum article and accepts it at face value, they are just as 'gullible' as the parents who feed their babies jars or pouches.

Come on people, read the labels, do your own research, don't just read one article from a woman who calls herself 'alphamum' and take it as Gospel.

I agree, my 11 month old would swallow a big jar whole if you let him. I would've thought that by 21 months, the toddler should be mostly eating what the parents are? My LO rarely has jars nowadays, even he eats what we eat most of the time (minus salt and high sugar content).

diddlediddledumpling Sun 31-Mar-13 13:03:24

None if mine were on jars by 21 months, ds3 is 14 months and hasnt had a jar or pouch since he was maybe 9 months. he's eating potatoes, veg, pasta, stews, etc. But I don't feel inclined to tell everyone else that they should do it my way.
Also that article is atrocious. She seems shocked that a jar of banana and cookie crumble something should have a lot of sugar in it! The clue is in the name, both bananas and cookies are high in sugar! Also the reference to gluten and coeliac disease; gluten is in bread, so are toast fingers out? Fruit and veg purées are mostly water; an apple is mostly water. Bad science indeed. I also can't work out if she's in the US or UK, she refs the FDA and also cites studies of baby food in the Czech Republic. But tbh, anyone who calls themselves Alpha-anything is an idiot in my book.
I'm with Visualiseahorse, and not just for her brill name. Read the labels.
Rant over. I'm off for some chocolate. (High in fat and sugar, you say? What?!!!!!)

ANYTHING made in factories is going to at some point contain foreign bodies. They shouldn't but they do. It's just like dog food, the reason they are fit for consumption by humans is because the process sterilizes the product.

yellowhousewithareddoor Sun 31-Mar-13 13:18:18

I'd be rather surprised anyone over a year using a jar, and really surprising a 21month old. If you want convenience there are organix toddler meals and similar which at least look like food.

Flisspaps Sun 31-Mar-13 17:31:11

diddle that poster also said "I have a two year old, and she eats mainly jars of food. She prefers a limited variety though" or words to that effect (can't c&p as I'm on the app)

MrsSham Sun 31-Mar-13 17:45:30

Precisely fliss she only changed her stance once called on it.

Svrider Sun 31-Mar-13 17:56:57

Baby food in jar isn't that bad
With PFB it's all I used for months, as I was terrified of doing it "wrong" (thanks HV hmm)
She was fine!

diddlediddledumpling Sun 31-Mar-13 19:58:15

Fair enough Fliss, but I've no reason to believe the poster was lying when she elaborated in a later post. And to call it neglectful is still wrong, by any creditable definition of neglect.

MrsSham Sun 31-Mar-13 21:25:44

Feeding a 21 month such an insufficient diet is IMHO a persistent failure to meet this physical need. Seeing as neglect is such a difficult this to define in terms of definition, I'm basing on my own perceptions of neglect. But I can tell you also any HV worth their weight in gold would attempt to work with any parent to improve such a diet.

FamiliesShareGerms Mon 01-Apr-13 10:43:55

MrsSham, I agree

diddlediddledumpling Mon 01-Apr-13 11:21:00

Seeing as neglect is such a difficult thing to define, its not the kind of accusation you should go throwing around. How would you feel if someone accused you of it, based on their own perceptions of it?
The diet described may not be perfect, but I'm still certain it's not neglectful. It is meeting the child's basic need for nutrition.

Flisspaps Mon 01-Apr-13 13:30:47

I'm sure it does diddle but 'proper' food requires chewing which is essential for speech and language development. A diet of mainly jars (as zippey first claimed) simply won't provide the child with that.

zippey Mon 01-Apr-13 14:05:35

Im back at this thread late, so apologies. Yes our little one eats a limited range of jars - there are about 5 varieties that she adores. She eats about half a large jar per meal. Id say I was going a bit over the top when I said she mainly eats jars - Id say we get through about 2 or 3 jars a week and one of those jars is usually on Saturday when we are out for the whole day. The other times she would eat what we eat or have something specifically prepared for her. For lunch, she usually has toast/bagel and/or soup. She usually eats a 2nd and 3rd course of greek yogurt and pureed fruit as well as a sweet on occasion (chocolate/biscuit)

I think her diet is ok, could be better could be worse. She has been fussy about home-made food in the past, its usually been the case that if she doesnt want to eat we will get a jar out. This doesnt happen often. If it does happen I think its because she doesnt like the food offered, which I think is fair enough. She'll get there.

Oh Id add that she also drinks quite a bit of formula milk.

FamiliesShareGerms Mon 01-Apr-13 15:12:49

Thanks for coming back to the thread zippey. I'm not a qualified paediatrician, so feel free to ignore me, but it looks from what you have posted about your DD's diet that she eats very little with a mixture of textures, specifically lumps of food that need chewing. As well as helping toddlers move onto proper food, chewing is really important for speech development, so I'd strongly urge you to start introducing some more textured / chewing foods into her diet

scottishmummy Mon 01-Apr-13 15:24:22

Zippy your range of foods seem geared to younger child than near 2yo.why?
Formula milk and jars are adequate for young child but not meant to be main nutrition
Is there reason for bulking up on Formula milk,it is expensive and unnecessary at her age.

MrsHoarder Mon 01-Apr-13 15:29:08

The advantage of pouches is that they won't break in the changing bag when out and about. Ds has 1 or 2 in a week and generally follows blw the rest of the time.

scottishmummy Mon 01-Apr-13 15:33:57

Pouches,jars are useful,good on go.i used them occasionally
But never meant to be mainstay of diet
IMO children should eat wide range foods,textures with family. progressing toward no jar,pouch

ariane5 Mon 01-Apr-13 15:40:02

I don't understand at all how smooth foods/purees hinder speech. All of my dcs have had issues with lumpy foods/gagging/reflux and had smooth foods for much longer than other children and dd1 and dd2 were very ahead with their speech despite only having purees?
Ds1 was behind but had hearing problems and ds2 is about average but it certainly hasn't caused them to be behind.

scottishmummy Mon 01-Apr-13 15:51:46

Chewing [mastication] works the Musckes in temporomandibular joint,jaw in a Hinge type way
By elevation and depression if jaw,food is shredded,muscles strengthen and this is important in speech Development and swallowing
Foods need to have adequate bite,consistency to chew upon,ESP al child get older to develop speech,swallow

ariane5 Mon 01-Apr-13 16:03:23

Does sound like it is important then I think I must have just been lucky as dcs were terrible with anything even remotely lumpy.

YellowandGreenandRedandBlue Mon 01-Apr-13 16:11:16

Ariane - doesn't mean every child who has smooth food will have problems but it is a factor, so yes, it is advised to encourage as much chewing as possible.

Bonsoir Mon 01-Apr-13 17:26:38

I fed my DD freshly cooked home made food and never imagined she would be a vegetable refuser, but at 8 she is still not properly reconciled with green things. I am fairly sceptical about taste and think that it develops in mysterious ways that we cannot control. But I do always prefer to give my family food that I have prepared myself or bought prepared from reputable suppliers (baker, butcher etc) that I know.

scottishmummy Mon 01-Apr-13 17:33:42

Food has nutritional,social and psychological benefit.IMO home made is best
I made fresh and it wasn't a bother at all,plus means they get taste for family preferences
Food is one of the earliest and easiest things a child learns it can influence out comes with

Bonsoir Mon 01-Apr-13 17:40:46

"plus means they get taste for family preferences"

This is what I believed! Everyone in my family (nuclear and wider) is a happy eater of fruits and vegetables of all descriptions - eating plants has never been an issue. So why oh why has DD taken so long to acclimatise herself to them? Makes no sense!

scottishmummy Mon 01-Apr-13 17:45:50

Yes,I should have said ideally get taste for family food preferences
Of course my dc are refusenik about certain food staples to make a point
I fastidiously ignore and don't bite(sorry!)

DieWilde13 Mon 01-Apr-13 17:52:01

This thread made me laugh!
We were in Germany when my 2 were weaned and German children are weaned exclusively on jars.
Most German mothers would consider opinions on this thread totally bonkers.

Baby jars are (mostly) organic and produced to extremely high standards. I very much doubt that my cooking is comparable.

Incidentally, I know farmers who grow carrots for a baby jar company and they have to follow extremely tight guidelines in order for their carrots to qualify.

IMHO this whole discussion is very much comparable to bf vs. ff and only serves to make mothers feel inadequate.

scottishmummy Mon 01-Apr-13 18:54:40

No.as i said jars completely acceptable,useful but have upper age limit
regular food with your family is best.I've not introduced "research" to berate jars
No one has said jar,pouch is maternal failing.cause that's how bf/ff threads go

Bonsoir Mon 01-Apr-13 20:03:07

I think there is a point (probably when DC are 3 or thereabouts) when you just serve up family meals to everyone and it is take-it-or-leave-it, albeit with the obligation to taste at least a forkful of everything... and no alternatives.

ceeveebee Mon 01-Apr-13 21:08:05

I've been doing that with my two since they were about 12 months old - I serve up and either they eat it or they don't.

I'm a little shocked at jars being used for older babies/toddlers -I do use the odd ready meal (eg if DH and I are out for dinner) for my 16 mo DTs like "little dish" or "cook" but its proper food like fish pie or lasagne, not purée/mush.

Yes, I'm a little shocked at a 2 year old having 2-3 jars a week too ceeveebee - We've got 2 left in the cupboard, and I'll be buying no more, now that LO will be one in a months time (when the feck did that happpen??!).

The overwhelming majority of his food at 11 months (and since he's been about 8 months old), is served in front of him on his table/in the suction bowl. We have a spoon each, and he uses his hands too. If he doesn't want to eat it, we stop. He eats mostly what we eat - pasta, rice dishes, all sorts. Nothing (aside from fresh bananas) has been rejected yet smile

Once they hit 6/7 months its easy to take soft cheese/peanut butter sandwiched cut into fingers or rice cakes, soft fruit sticks etc out and about. I don't judge those who use jars but its not nice seeing them given cold. Who wants to eat cold stew. Unless your in a cafe where they will warm it up for u, in which case if ur sat at a table with ur coffee/lunch then its no easier to give jars than a finger food lunch .

It is just a social convention to serve some food hot and some cold. Babies and toddlers are unaware of this so it really doesn't matter if jarred food is heated or not.

Loupee Tue 02-Apr-13 19:45:07

I agree with diddle do your own research on the article before you make any assumptions from it. The author jumps between US/UK/other European laws and regulations regarding baby food. Some of the studies the author refers to use very small sample groups and are designed to prove a point already made.
In the UK the regulations for baby food are much stricter than in the US, and also stricter than the regulations for 'proper' food here in the UK.
The article is designed to shock and scaremonger, to make ordinary mothers feel like failures.
I probably use a 50/50 split between home cooked food and jars/pouches for my 8 month old. Going on holiday next week and will use all jars and pouches.
I know a new mum who read that article (it's been around for years) and decided to do 'baby eats what we eat' only problem being, they eat pizzas, chicken nuggets, chips, crisps etc she claimed it was better for her baby as 'jars are full of rubbish' you might think she is a bit dim, but if that is all she knows!

But baby jars are jars! nothing inherently wrong with them, but surely no one thinks a diet solely comprised of heat treated, preserved food (or whatever it is they do to get it "jar ready") with a best before date of 2 years hence is fine?
I eat jars of pasta sauce. Tins of beans. But I do try to get some fresh food in my diet. Why would you feed a child under 18 months an entirely jarred diet? Organic - fine, wonderful. but it's not fresh.

Startail Tue 02-Apr-13 20:12:19

Blessed was organix korma, for it was the only think DD1 would eat without a fuss.

Many many jars of it were consumed at GParents, in restaurants, cafés and motorway services.

It made leaving the house possible.

DD1 grew up to be a really sensible eater, DD2 who ate beautifully as a baby and BF too, was a horribly fussy toddler and is still a pain aged 12.

Believe me what they eat as babies has no bearing on their ability to. become stubborn control freaks.

Angelico Wed 03-Apr-13 00:00:04

Gosh this thread has run and run! We are away from home at the minute and I am more pleased than ever with the little pouches - DD is loving them. Tonight she had organic sweet potato, broccoli and carrot in an Ella's pouch. It's the only one I haven't liked the taste and smell of - but that doesn't matter as DD wolfed it down.

That blog link left me a bit hmm I agree it was cobbled together and didn't differentiate between different types of jars etc. The main criticism of the Ella's pouches seemed to be that it was more expensive than making it - which is bollocks unless I happen to be making those foods for us - and frankly I don't need anyone else telling me how to spend my money. DD is only 2 weeks into weaning and with a few finger foods and some mash I think they're great! Once she's eating a bit more she'll start getting more of what we're getting.

scottishmummy Wed 03-Apr-13 12:40:17

Spend own money as you wish but pouches are overpriced and costs more than homemake
Did you start thread to get animated and say won't be told how to spend own money?
Jar,pouch are safe and adequate.but kidding your self on they're cheaper,well as you say bollocks indeed

Angelico Wed 03-Apr-13 20:43:21

I have no idea who your response is to scottish as I didn't start the thread hmm And for me at the minute (factoring in shopping time, prep time, cooking time, energy bills, lost earnings time, amount DD eats) pouches are cheaper than cooking from scratch. No doubt in a few weeks time when she's eating more and a greater variety that will change. But I can assure you for the moment pouches are saving me time AND money.

scottishmummy Wed 03-Apr-13 20:55:38

you, ive read post as you were the op.
you do like your hmmhumphy wee faces dont you
ella is a great brand, i used them we liked them but cookin is way cheaper

Angelico Wed 03-Apr-13 21:21:17

Well as you can see I am not the OP. Hope that helps.

scottishmummy Wed 03-Apr-13 21:34:47

indeed, ive acknowledged i got it wrong.i misread

Angelico Wed 03-Apr-13 21:43:29

I'll forgive you. And since you used the word 'wee' a couple of posts back I'll even go halfers on a pouch of Ella's finest... wink

(Just not the sweet potato, broccoli and carrot one because it's fucking horrible and brought on the mother of all poonamis last night...)

scottishmummy Wed 03-Apr-13 21:51:56

ellas are fab brand,not a fab wee price though
i thought they were all a bit homogeneous
weans loved em though

WeeSooty Wed 03-Apr-13 22:28:29

I started the thread. But only to get opinions on baby jars and pouches. Well I've certainly read loads of opinions now!

Have decided to be a bit wary about that article, read a few of her other ones and her stance on ff just wound me right up!

We start weaning at the weekend, nervous and excited! I'm happier now I realise that the pouches and jars etc are ok for once in a blue moon. For example this week I've had a tummy bug and cannot face cooking, pouches would have been great!

Thanks everyone for the debate! smile

scottishmummy Wed 03-Apr-13 22:33:26

jars,pouches are safe,adequate and a great quick go to

Chockyeggpants Thu 11-Apr-13 21:20:09

DD was weaned on HiPP.
Someone phone social services as I'm an unfit mother obvs..

Badgerina Sun 14-Apr-13 10:26:43

I think the Alpha Parent is a bit OTT in her delivery, but jars taste gross and are nutritionally deficient. If you're feeling poorly and not up to cooking, why not give your baby some finger foods to try? grin

CurleySu Sun 14-Apr-13 16:38:28

I did my own fruit and veg for my son, cooked and blended it all up...
Then when I started with meals I just did the jars as I felt that I wasn't confident on making my own baby food.
Anyway I then weaned baby off the jar food I think maybe 9months but by then he was eating pasta, cheese, what ever I was eating at the time I would just pop in his mouth or he would snatch it off my plate! But he has never been fussy with food only when he is teething!
My sister fed her children on jars and never damaged them.

Only do what you are happy on doing, I'm kinder glad that I am at that stage with my son that I can give him anything and he will eat it, did go threw a phase of not wanting lunch but my friends baby did that and she never gave her baby jars.

mummysbigsmiles Mon 15-Apr-13 20:59:20

The 'I like to make life easy' remark is thee perfect example of a lazy parent. So you would rather buy jars that have a load of crap in them and have been on the shelf for god knows how long than home cook your baby's food knowing exactly what's in it? You are most likely putting a load of shit into your baby's growing body, but hey, as long as you have an easy life! angry

I get so so much pleasure preparing all the fresh fruit & veg knowing that I am feeding my DD only the very best and most nutritious food that she can get, giving her the best start in life and hopefully setting her eating habits to a high standard for the future!

scottishmummy Tue 16-Apr-13 07:50:30

Mind you don't tumble dismounting that high horse you're on
Jars aren't mamas home cookin,that's for sure.but full of shit,nah
IMO,folk think home cooking difficult,fiddly,but it isn't -it's easy and cost effective

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