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Confused after calling health visitor,advice please

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Kika1 · 02/09/2015 09:14

hello, I'm introducing solids for last few weeks,my daughter is 6,5m old,and has 5 bottles of 150ml at 7,10,13.30,16.30 and 19.30. I introduced home made fruit purée few spoons at 8am and veggie ones at 14.30. She likes it and eats everything. Started to mash it with fork so not smooth,and she is fine, using AK recipes. Spoke to paediatrician and she told me to try replace lunch bottle with bigger lunch,like soup. Called Heath visitor and she said not to do any purée,mashed food,give weetabix with full fat milk or something big in the morning so she drops 10am bottle,and give big lunch so she drops lunch bottle, give chunks of fruit,veggies,toast,scramble egg etc. I think it's too much to go from 5bottles to 3 bottles so quickly, and also give chunky food, she doesn't sit on her own yet,is crawling,but needs support to sit up. HV also said I can give a bit of spicy food,if that's what we eat (I guess coming from my Asian surname...). What do u think? I would much rather drop just one bottle, maybe lunch 13.30 one? Thinking about bottles at 7,10,15.30,19,30 and solids morning fruit 8am,big lunch 13.30, yoghurt 17.00..does it sound ok,or what would u advice to do? Thank you.

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Imnotaslimjim · 02/09/2015 09:25

You follow what your baby wants to do. Food should be fun, not forced. I offered food when the bottle was due, let them eat their fill, then offered the milk. But I didn't use purees, did what they call baby-led weaning and just used solids (carrot and cucumber sticks, toast etc) even at 6 months the food will make it to their mouths. However, purees or not is your choice

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winchester1 · 02/09/2015 09:37

I'm doing spoon feeding and finger foods, so similar to you, I offer milk and then foods about an hour later so my 7 month olds routine is

Wakes up between 4 and 5am
6am Bottle
7am breakfast (e.g half a weetabix with milk, and some toast to eat with her fingers)
8am small bottle (this she is radually dropping as her breakfast gets bigger)
9am nap (2-3hrs)
Midday Bottle
1pm Lunch (e.g. mash and sauce, with some boiled veg to eat with her fingers)
1500 snack (e.g rice cake and peices of fruit, this use to be a bottle as well but she just dropped this)
1700 we eat dinner she may have a few little bits of finger foods
1730 bottle
1800 bedtime

We give flavours of whatever we are having and lunch is often leftovers from diner the night before.
I have let mine eat as much food as she wants and she is gradully dropping the bottles by her slef, I think it is quite fast as she hates to be helped and can't hold her own bottle yet.

If I were you I would as you suggest increase what you offer at lunchtime (both quantity, texture and types of foods) and let he gradually reduce the bottles on her own. In a few months when she can manage to self feed she will make clear what she wants.

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Kika1 · 02/09/2015 16:39

Thank you. I will try to give her some finger food too, I just thought that they supposed to be able to sit on their own in order to give it to them (chunky food), a bit worried she would choke...She can sort of sit up in a feeding chair, but not on her own, more interested to crawl, won't sit on her bum for more than few seconds. Shoul I also increase amount of milk in the evening or just keep it as they r...just don't want to mess it up...can she eat our (adults) food...I mean, do u all cook without any seasoning?

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winchester1 · 02/09/2015 19:54

I use seasoning, and give the baby curries, herbs etc of course no added salt or especially salty food like marmite, pickles etc. I just give bits of our normal meals and add in extras like Weetabix, porridge (readybreak), couscous in soups etc when the filling part is just finger food or not suitable for her.

Make sure she is in a highchair or on your lap sat up as much as she can for feeds. She will find it easiest if the chair has a tray as its less likely the finger food will drop on the floor but the dining table will work too if she is in your lap. Mine likes to grab food out if our hands. Things like rice cakes a good starter as they dissolve in the mouth.
Make sure you stay with her when she is eating and don't have her in a bouncy chair or partially laid back as that can cause risk of choking. You should know babies have a stronger gag reflex than adults so will cough / gag more easily as it is how they bring the food forward in their mouth to chew it a bit more.

I give mine as much milk as she wants at each feed so the last milk can be 150ml or 300ml depending when she stops eating. For now id concentrate on much and in a couple of weeks start increasing the dinner and moving to more savoury flavours and more filling foods.

Good luck and really try to enjoy it a bit Smile

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winchester1 · 02/09/2015 19:56

When I say 'you should know ' I mean its good to know so you don't worry not that you should have known it already.Smile

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winchester1 · 02/09/2015 20:01

Much = lunch

Sorry I must learn to read!

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RabbitSaysWoof · 02/09/2015 20:15

I hate that hv's push BLW so hard, mine did this and it made me never ask anything because they made traditional weaning sound like a banned thing. I remember being at a clinic and a new mum speaking to one of the hv's there, the mum was disappointed to be told her ideas on weaning her child were wrong and she had to give the baby food in adult form and the baby had to self feed.
When I first heard of BLW I thought thats great there is another way of doing it, people who dont want to/ have time to mash food for baby don't have to use jars they can share their own real food instead, but now where I am it's suggested anything other than BLW wont work.

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BertieBotts · 02/09/2015 20:18

It's okay to give finger foods if they are sitting with support. It just means don't give them finger foods when they are sitting in a reclined chair because it's a big choking risk. When they are upright, if they gagged on something they would naturally spit it out and it would fall on the highchair tray. If they are reclined and gag it can push the food further into their throat and be dangerous.

It's certainly not true that mashing up food is wrong or "won't work". Just different approaches. As long as your baby is old enough (which she is) she's getting appropriate foods without too much salt and sugar, and you aren't forcing her to eat more than she wants to, then it's all good :)

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Aqualady · 02/09/2015 20:23

Do what works for you both.

Don't spend a fortune on super healthy meals as most of it will get chucked. My eldest is 20 and the advice changes every few years.

My youngest is 2.5 and would gladly drink milk all day instead of eating when the HV came around for the 2 year check she nearly fell of her chair when she seen dd with a bottle of milk Grin

Life is too short to fret over every single word the HV say. Have a look at the piles of info you will have on weening and pick out what suits you and dc.

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RabbitSaysWoof · 02/09/2015 20:26

Life is too short to fret over every single word the HV say.
^^
Yep that. Tomorrow they will be told to advise something else.

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annatha · 02/09/2015 20:41

Im no expert but I'd just work on dropping one bottle at a time, especially while your baby gets used to solid food. Dd is 10 months now and eats anything put in front of her but until she was about 7-8 months she wasn't really bothered about food at all and would've gone mental if I cut so many bottles out at once. We're on 3 bottles a day now (waking, mid afternoon, bedtime) and dropping the middle one is proving a challenge.

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Kika1 · 03/09/2015 09:17

Thank you all...really appreciate it. My girl loves eating and she doesn't know when to stop,so we have to control it a bit otherwise she would just eat and then puke..but she is doing great and healthy,was very tiny first few month, 2nd perc.and moved to 25th,both weight and length..
I do make her fresh food and she really likes it,would like to give her chunkier food,will try to give her some whilst in height chair,it does have the tray. I tried gave her lunch yesterday and she had 100ml of mixed,not completely smooth veggie soup, didn't cry for milk, but she does luv her milk..well,any food. Glad to hear and be assured that giving mashed food is still ok...hv just confuse me..so far I never had any good advise from them or support, unfortunately..gonna keep giving her 4 bottles,I think milk is still most important at her age and will see how much she wants as the time goes...

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Aqualady · 03/09/2015 09:45

kika good luck!

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Kika1 · 03/09/2015 10:42

Last question...where do u find the time for this...I mean I feel I'm constantly feeding...by the time we r finished with one meal or milk, and I get her changed, burb , clear up...it's time to feed again...

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winchester1 · 03/09/2015 15:40

She sounds like my first and his feeds and meals were constant fir a few months and then it all calmed down.
Batch cooking your own kiddy ready meals helps a bit though.

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winchester1 · 03/09/2015 17:19

Oh and accept she will be grubby with food on her clothes for the next few yrs.

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Laquila · 03/09/2015 17:24

You're totally right in that milk is the most important form of nutrition at this age.

It's fine to give some finger foods and some puréed, if that's what works for you. We did entirely BLW , which was quite tough going at first but once he really got the hang of it (not for a good few months to be honest) there was no stopping him, and he's now a fantastic eater (age 2).

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Kika1 · 04/09/2015 20:49

I do like idea of BLW but my only real worry is that she would choke as not sitting up n her own, properly, so really scared. I think she would like it,she loves eating and stares and at every plate I hold in my hand and moves towards it ...gave her to lick few thinks and she is eager to eat...just really worried..so mashing food for her..she's been really good,ate everything so far...really pleased so far,thanks for all your support and advice

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Kika1 · 07/09/2015 10:38

Me again...sorry...
She's been eating really well, but she started to wake up more at night ..she never used to sleep well and woul b up at least 3-4 times at night,she doesn't know how to get from her light sleep into a deep sleep, even during the day she sleeps only 30 min, exactly 30min and then she is up,rarely she would fall asleep after 30min and if she did she would then sleep for an hour,1.5h...so last night she kept weak up up every 30min since 8pm till 5.50 this morning when she was fully up,I've been up all night as she would wake up,start crying,would give her dummy, she would go back to sleep, spit it out later on, wake up 30min later crying, give her dummy etc...all night...do u think it's because of solids, being it heavy so might feel uncomfortable? She has about 90ml of solids during lunch..is it too much? That's instead of her 150ml bottle of milk. Should I stop,or give less or go back to milk? Really don't know what's happening. She ate it all and looked like she wanted more...she is also teething badly, but that wasn't a teething pain..had that few nights ago, screaming in pain...it just looked like she can't settle down... Any ideas? Many thanks..

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winchester1 · 07/09/2015 11:07

I would be suprised if lunch is casuing problems at night but it might be worth moving dinner a bit earlier so she is finshing the day on a full bottle of milk.

Are you rembering to give water with the solids, you may need to give a bottle for now as she dosen't sound ready to use a cup. Did she seem constipated today, with small little poos?

How does she seem today? The sleep could be nothing to do with food as its around time for her to have a development leap (sitting, rolling more, moving etc) and she will be starting to understand you exist when you aren't there so she can cry for you and you will come. (Tiny babies don't understand that things out of sight still exist.)
Or do you think the dummy is the problem? is she waking when she drops it or not able to get back to sleep without it? It might be worth heading over to the sleep boards for some advice on how to teach her to self settle as she is old enough now to be able to manage longer streches of sleep esp in the early part of the night. I did controlled crying but there are gentler methods that I think would suit you better.

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Kika1 · 07/09/2015 16:17

Thank you winchester1. She was constipated 2 days ago, yesterday was back to normal. This morning seemed like she is constipated again,so gave her some pear purée for brekkie and that seemed to help..she had her lunch today and finished it all, 90mls of her favourite spinach, sweet potato,peas mix.almost cried for more at the end...so I really think she does want to eat. Her dinner, joghurt is 5.30 and has full bottle before bed at 7.30... She also has milk at 3.30, cried today after she finished it..not her usual behaviour..
Tried to give water but she won't have it..tried sippy cup few times,she will just chew on the nipple...she takes pure fennel tea throughout the day, has to be warm though..won't have anything cold...even teething toys...
She is still teething badly, bites everything aggressively..can see a tip of her canine tooth bottom left, and can see white bit under skin,gums of one of her molars at the bottom right. also moves a lot..well she is hopping around and gets frustrated that can't move fast...can't properly crawl yet. She doesn't want to sit up,want to stand up or gets on her knees and wants to crawl...
As u mentioned I think she wants us to be around...she always was a bad sleeper...I haven't slept really since she was born...will try the sleeping experts...we tried controlled crying before..it didn't work..she would cry for 30-45 minutes,would take me then hours to calm her down..
I'm worried the dummy will become a problem..she wants to sleep but fights it all the time..she will spit out the dummy when asleep, 30min later when she wakes up she is looking for it, will fall asleep,spit it out in sleep, when wakes up wants it again..
Anyway, glad to hear u don't think it's coz of food..really tired today so can't think straight...

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