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Whooping cough vaccination ISN'T for life

(31 Posts)
febel Fri 22-Feb-13 11:01:48

Hi all..am a little concerned about the seeming lack of education re whooping cough. I have this delightful (NOT) and debilitating disease at the moment , I am in my 40s, had the vaccination as a child, AND the illness when i was 7 years old now have it again. Apparently my doctor says there is a spike in the amount of cases at the moment but they aren't sure why. They DO think that the vaccine DOESN'T last a lifetime, as they previously thought, and the disease may have mutated. Also, far more people probably have had whooping cough/have it now and are merrily spreading their germs about (it's VERY infectious) because doctors aren't recognising it (my doctor actually said this) If you are diagnosed in the early stages then you can have antibiotics which will stop the bacterium increasing, and spreading further. However, unfortunately you have to ride the disease out, which is probably why it's also known as the 100 day cough. You DON'T nessassarily whoop with it, the cough just turns you inside out, and babies oftne don't whoop.

Why hasn't this been in the news much? When I've told people I have whooping cough they can't believe it, people seem to think it's a childs disease and isn't prevalent today. My daughter's colleagues laughed and asked if I'd been visiting the Middle Ages?! (they won't laugh if they get it!)

Please look it up, (\http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/whooping-cough/pages/introduction.aspx)
and lets try and get educated about whooping cough...I wouldn't wish it on anyone and it is VERY scarey struggling to take a breath whilst coughing, being sick because you are struggling so much.

Orphadeus Fri 22-Feb-13 13:57:19

Interesting OP.

With regard to antibiotics, if for any reason you prefer to avoid the doctors you may wish to try www.chemistdirect.co.uk/fsc-whole-bulb-garlic_1_55674.html

I had an very hot infected insect bite all over my leg the other year until I found 5 of them a day got rid of it.

CatherinaJTV Fri 22-Feb-13 14:28:09

Pertussis immunity is not life long whether induced by vaccine OR by a 100 day cough. Unfortunately.

febel Fri 22-Feb-13 14:28:40

funnily enough was going to try odourless garlic pearls...apparently v good for respitarory disorders. As regard the antibiotics...they won't make it better but will prevent me spreading the bacterium around so much as the antibiotics will stop it breeding and multiplying

Orphadeus Sat 23-Feb-13 01:57:30

I would recommend the whole bulb ones.

I suspect regularly putting ginger (ZOR) in your food might help.

'These data suggested that ZOR itself has no inhibitory effect on the growth of influenza virus, but could exert its effect via macrophage activation leading to production of TNF-alpha.'

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16437748?dopt=Abstract

Bingo: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16622195

The 1st study appears to indicate ginger helps production of TNF-alpha, the 2nd study (about whooping cough) appears to indicate you require increased TNF-alpha to fight it:

'Functional Tlr4 is essential for an efficient IL-1-beta, TNF-alpha, and IFN-gamma response; efficient clearance of bacteria from the lung; and reduced lung pathology.'

Also the study had previously mentioned the (5 fold) increased TNF-alpha.

There's no harm trying ginger.

sashh Sat 23-Feb-13 04:54:08

Actually I think it has been well publicised. I know it is doing the rounds and that a lot of 40+ are getting it.

Orphadeus Sat 23-Feb-13 12:56:27

"Vaccinating women between 28 and 38 weeks of pregnancy should offer babies protection against whooping cough in the first few months of life, before they receive their own vaccines."

www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/9841646/Whooping-cough-cases-up-tenfold-as-another-baby-dies.html

That is insanity.

CatherinaJTV Sat 23-Feb-13 16:51:22

That is not insanity, that could be life saving - 14 babies died last year of pertussis. Such a tragedy.

Orphadeus Sat 23-Feb-13 16:58:27

Presumably those babies would be alive if the doctors - rather than giving them muck - had given them ginger.

Choccyjules Sat 23-Feb-13 17:00:23

DD age 4 has had it recently, misery for three months. I asked the nurse how she had got it given she is up to date with the vaccinations, she just said it was going around locally.

Living in Cambs there is a strong movement round here for not giving kids certain jabs, as there is for home-schooling (as a random example)...and I guess this may mean that certain strains are around which DD couldn't fight off?

hmm

Choccyjules Sat 23-Feb-13 17:12:49

Was just illustrating that there are a lot of folk with alternative ideas round here. Which has probably led, in this case, to kids getting ill.

CatherinaJTV Sat 23-Feb-13 17:13:09

I think Orphadeus is being paid by the pharma industry to ridicule the vaccine-critical...

Orphadeus Sat 23-Feb-13 20:52:58

How many of the 14 babies actually died from adverse reaction to medication?

CatherinaJTV Sun 24-Feb-13 14:13:07

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sashh Mon 25-Feb-13 06:42:15

How many of the 14 babies actually died from adverse reaction to medication?

What do you suffest? Not treating a very sick baby?

CatherinaJTV Mon 25-Feb-13 07:34:04

sashh - ginger would have saved them, don't you pay attention?! (sarcasm off)

JollyYellowGiant Mon 25-Feb-13 07:59:37

It HAS been in the news.

And surely most people know that vaccines are not 100% effective?

Just because you have had the MMR doesn't mean you will never in your life get measles.

Two words: herd immunity.

If every child had the pertussis vaccine then outbreaks wouldn't happen.

Orphadeus Mon 25-Feb-13 14:57:07

The medication they give babies with whooping cough: www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Corticosteroid-(drugs)/Pages/Sideeffects.aspx

I reckon that will have killed.

This may be better: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16437748?dopt=Abstract

Orphadeus Mon 25-Feb-13 15:07:29

Its a fact that some babies and children would die because they were taken to the NHS. It is a fact that some babies and children would die because they were not taken to the NHS.

When thousands of babies and children die because they were taken to the NHS, the NHS would shriek the house down and the media and politicians will wade in if just one dies due to not being taken to the NHS.

Its a bit like:

'Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on his heads. His tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born.'

www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2012&version=NIV1984

Seeline Mon 25-Feb-13 15:19:00

OP you have my sympathies - I had Whooping cough at 31 whilst 5 months pg. It was not a pleasant experience. And even now 12 years on, I am sure if I get a cough it is worse, and lasts longer than they ever did before I had it. I was not allowed to be immunised as a baby because of fits. I caught it off a colleague at work who had been immunised, but caught it from her son who hadn't because of severe asthma/allergies. I have made sure both my DCs have been immunised to help protect them, and also those who cannot have it for whatever reason. I had to force my GP to test me for it because he didn't believe it could possibly be whooping cough, so I don't know how many others I may have given it too before I was given ab's to stop the spread. Really hope you're feeling better soon.

surfmama Tue 26-Feb-13 01:12:54

threebee it isn't a case of that with whooping cough. the vaccine is potentially 60 percent effective and there are more strains of it than are covered. ..and the one covered has mutated. maybe not publicised widely but research is being carried out to see what proportion of cases are the mutated strain. life evolves. so do diseases.

sashh Tue 26-Feb-13 05:42:23

CatherineJTV

Silly me, of course they should have ginger,and garlic.

I better buy some so I can throw away my ventilin.

JakeBullet Tue 26-Feb-13 06:25:17

"Cuckoo cuckoo" hmm

The herd immunity threshold for pertussis is currently about 92-94%.

Because many people don't get the pertussis booster vaccination, it's difficult to measure how much the increased infection rate is due to mutating strains though.

However, most public health organisations agree that reduced vaccination uptake is contributing to increased infection rates.

pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/123/6/1446.long

Orphadeus Wed 27-Feb-13 18:08:44

'This is one of my favorite asthma home remedies:

This remedy has exactly the same process as the one above, only this time you use ginger instead of garlic. Wash about the size of a palm of ginger and then cut into small pieces (cut according to your preferences).

Put into a pot with water and bring to boil, leave to get cool then drink like normal tea.

Again, this home remedy for asthma is very useful for cold as well. Colds can cause asthma flare ups and by eliminating colds could also help preventing asthma flare ups. Either way, it has helped me with my asthma.

I was also told that the two can be boiled together and should have effective results'

www.asthmasymptoms86.com/asthma-home-remedies.html#.US5KpaKSK8A

'A study by J.A. Ojewole published in the September 2006 issue of "Phytotherapy Research" also notes that this herb may have anti-inflammatory properties. Ginger can be eaten raw, or taken as a tea or in capsules or tablets. Ask your doctor how much you need to take to reduce asthma-associated inflammation.'

Read more: www.livestrong.com/article/360276-ginger-asthma-inflammation/#ixzz2M7l3jNUF

Habichuela Sat 16-Mar-13 12:37:24

Hi everyone,

Just thought I'd point out that the whooping cough vaccine is know (even by the makers-Sanofi-Pasteur, GSK etc) not to PREVENT whooping cough, but what is designed to do is generally make the symptoms of WC much more bearable and therefore serves to give a baby's body the ability to fight off the infection (I am talking about DtaP not TdaP). In most cases, it is designed to minimize paroxysms. It should be a well know fact that the efficacy of the vaccine wears off after 2 years or so, but many doctors don't seem to realize this.

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aliena Fri 19-Apr-13 19:50:08

That is very interesting Habichuela. Last summer my eldest DD was diagnosed with whooping cough via blood test. The fifth GP I took her to had just had it herself and recognised it (as had the school dinner lady). DD2 had the same nasty cough and temperature.

They are both fully vaccinated against whooping cough.

The GP who had had it told us that most of the victims of the outbreak were vaccinated teens and that the vaccine only lasted about ten years. I remember googling this and there was a recent WC epidemic in the US which was mainly in the vaccinated.

It shook my faith in vaccinations a bit tbh. Especially as the message was being given that the outbreak was because people weren't vaccinating and not about the fallibility of the vaccine itself.

And I would be interested to know if the recent measles epidemic is hitting the vaccinated population at all.

infamouspoo Fri 19-Apr-13 19:56:53

my GP told me neither the vaccine nor the disease gives lasting immunity which explains why I have had whooping cough about 3 times. Its a nasty disease. he also said the vaccine is contra-indicated in adults. Meh.
But since the last bout every cold goes straight to my chest sad

InvaderZim Fri 19-Apr-13 20:14:06

(Insured) people in the US generally recieve the pertussis vaccine throughout their life, mostly because it's bundled with tetnus and you need to get that every 10 years. I was baffled when I moved here and found out its not a regular adulthood thing, but guess they trust you to get a booster if you step on a rusty nail.

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