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To ask you to share your experiences with measles, mumps and rubella in more recent years?

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sneezingwakesthebaby Sun 17-Feb-13 10:49:23

Okay, so I know this should probably be somewhere else but I hoped more people would see and respond here.

I've read the vaccination thread on here and a lot of people shared experiences where someone they knew was deaf or blind or permanently disabled from catching one of these diseases. A lot of them seemed to be from a while back and it got me wondering how our bodies, hygiene and medical care copes with these diseases today and if these horrible side effects are still common.

So, would anyone mind sharing any experiences they have had of measles, mumps or rubella within the past ten years or so?

AmandaPayne Sun 17-Feb-13 10:51:32

I can't, but many of those experiences will be a while back simply because routine vaccination is so common now. The fact that the anecdotes are generally older doesn't mean that the consequences of these illnesses have improved markedly.

sneezingwakesthebaby Sun 17-Feb-13 10:56:33

I understand that but that's what got me wondering if those bad effects are still common within the people who do catch those diseases or if medical care nowadays can reduce the likelihood of bad side effects. I should have worded it better.

seeker Sun 17-Feb-13 10:59:21

Unlikely to be many modern examples in this country because vaccination has made the illness you mention rare.

If the anti science brigade get their way that may not be the case in a generation or so......

sallysparrow157 Sun 17-Feb-13 11:03:03

I have seen mumps meningitis a few times and also children needing several days hospital admission for iv fluids with measles

FutTheShuckUp Sun 17-Feb-13 11:04:40

Ive looked after children who have been gravely ill from measles. The one had suffered a stroke and permanent brain damage due to measles involvment in the brain. Was very very sad indeed.

AmandaPayne Sun 17-Feb-13 11:07:51

FuttheShuck (great name BTW) are you a medical professional? Has the treatment for those illnesses changed much over the last 10-20 years? My perception was not, but I'm not a medical type.

Gumps Sun 17-Feb-13 11:09:30

My eldest son contracted measles when I was pregnant with ds2. Ds1 is now 5 and ds2 just 4 so not too long ago. I remember googling the rash and thinking it can't be measles as he had already had the mmr. Took him to the chemist as it was a Sunday and he agreed so took him to put of hours. They sent us straight to the hospital where we were kept in isolation for about 5 hours and then they let us go home. Ds' symptoms were the rash and a ridiculously high temperature but once the hospital managed to control that he was ok. I always felt lucky that he didn't suffer too much and wondered if having the mmr has made his symptoms milder? He was far more ill when he had hand foot and mouth than the measles. I questioned the doctor as to why he had managed to contract it. This was in the days when they only had one vaccination (I think they now do 2) and they told me it was only 90% effective. No idea why as a patent you weren't told that as I has presumed once vaccinated they were protected.
Hope that helps. Out of interest why are you asking?

aufaniae Sun 17-Feb-13 11:09:49

I have got into discussions with friends who are against vaccinating recently. I've found that they have done lots of "research" into the negative effects of vaccines (believing all sorts of stuff they read online, and hear from friends without checking the validity of the sources properly).

However what was striking to me was how little they knew about the possible effects of the diseases. They'd not looked them up, they'd just gone on anecdotal evidence and concluded that they weren't a danger these days because of modern medicine and relative good health. I don't know how typical this is but it's a very dangerous approach IMO!

One friend told be she'd rather get tetanus than have excema! Her excema flares up after a tetanus jab. However she refused to believe that tetanus was still a danger to her in this day and age, despite a nurse friend of mine describing the awful condition a man in his 20s was in, when he came into hospital with tetanus and the permanent damage he suffered. (I forget the detail now, will ask). She just didn't want to know!

Please forgive me if i am wrong, but I suspect you may be trying to find out if such diseases still pose a threat these days, and you're hoping they don't. If you genuinely want to know the answer, i suggest you do some research to find proper peer-reviewed papers (hopefully peoplke here may have some suggestions, i'm on my phone so hard to find them) rather than collecting anecdotal evidence.

But, yes, you will find that yes, measles for example is still a killer.

FutTheShuckUp Sun 17-Feb-13 11:10:55

Im a paeds nurse. Dont think the treatment has changed that much due to the fact the illness has rarely been seen in the past twenty years but in the past five years certainly there has been an increase and especially an increase in the complications of measles

aufaniae Sun 17-Feb-13 11:13:31

Oh, ok my apologies! I'd only read your first post when I wrote mine and it set off alarm bells!

If you're a paed nurse you'll be well aware of the importance of evidence based research! smile

Interesting to hear your views on the subject.

Muminwestlondon Sun 17-Feb-13 11:16:45

My children did not have the MMR as I had developed an auto immune disease which was probably triggered by the rubella vaccine and I did not want to take the chance. The GP and Health Visitor I had at the time supported this decision. I wanted them to have a single measles vaccine but could not afford it.

They have had measles when aged 5 and 8. They had a rash and a temperature. They were seen at the walk in clinic at the local hospital as they got ill on a Saturday. Lots of staff came to have a look as they had never seen a case. The doctors we saw were unconcerned about them. They took mouth swabs and it was clinically confirmed.

It was uncomfortable for a few days because of the rash and temperature. I got up every two hours in the night to check on them because I was paranoid that they would get seriously ill and die but they were fine.

We got a literally hysterical reaction from the Head of their school who was refused to believe they had measles as they were not in hospital. I also had someone from the local health authority ring me up wanting to know where they had caught it etc and telling me to make them have the MMR.

In our case it was not at all a serious ill but of course for some people it is. Both me and my sibling had measles (we were 18 months/3 years). DH had it as did his three siblings. All our parents had it as children and most children of our acquaintance growing up in the seventies. I never heard of anyone dying of being hospitalised.

Both DH and I became ill a couple of weeks later with a fever and general malaise - not sure if it was some sort of immune reaction brought on by being in contact or something else.

I don't think the relative mildness of my DC's measles had anything to do with better hygiene or medical care - effectively there was no medical care other than DH and I nursing them. I assume that the virus affects people in different ways.

FutTheShuckUp Sun 17-Feb-13 11:21:40

I think if you have greater experience of vaccine damage it will sway your view of immunisations whereas if you have more experience of complications of measles it tends to make you more pro immunisations iykwim.
Like everything its a case of looking at BOTH sides of the argument and making an INFORMED decision based on best evidence based knowledge

I had measles. I remember a high temp, feeling rotten for about three days, and dry retching. Then feeling fine but being in quarantine. My mum then had to go back to work so I was sent to my friends house to play with my friend who was off school with whooping cough and spent her time chucking up in tissues. I think I remember the whooping cough better because when her kids had it I spotted it right away - it was like being transported back to 1978. I don't think quarantine was taken that seriously in the 70's though as I also remember my friend's mum taking us into the local town and her saying to me in a loud voice 'get your hands off the counter you've got measles' and rolling her eyes at the ship assistant who rolled them back. I imagine that would clear the shop & lead to a lecture these days

My mum is deaf in one ear from measles. She was ill for a very long time and spent a lot of time in hospital.

Vitamin A status affects measles severity.

I also have a child who regressed into severe autism. He is vaccinated against measles, his younger siblings aren't. I believe that's the right decision with the knowledge we have (I have a science PhD, we have spoken to ds1's paediatrician and neurologist, I have attended many autism conferences & spoken to researchers before people start clutching their pearls and going on about woo).

Gumps Sun 17-Feb-13 11:27:27

My ds was also looked at by loads of doctors as as said above they hadn't seen many cases. Like I said I HAD vaccinated and he still got it. I had had my rubella jab but was still terrified being pregnant that it would affect my unborn child.
aufanie the op is isn't futtheshutup.

Yes fut agreed.

Interestingly my mum who has lived for 55 + years with measles damage said 'don't you get those children vaccinated' when were discussing da2 and ds3 a few years ago. This was obviously after being there to observe ds1's regression. So I presume she sees her damage as minor compared to his.

She's not the sort of mum who expects me to do what she says btw, she was just expressing an opinion years after we'd declined the offer if vaccination. I found it interesting as she often talks about how ill she was with measles, and still lives with the effects

Gumps Sun 17-Feb-13 11:32:26

Sorry just to add my other two dc's have also been vaccinated and I am totally pro vaccination. The liklihood is my son caught it from an unvacccinated child. What if it had been my new born? Working in special schools and seeing first hand the effects that measles can have on children I can't understand why people don't protect their children. A huge debate I know but that is my opinion.

Fut - what age groups are getting measles? Do you think it's becoming more severe because the group catching measles are more vulnerable in some way (either through age or something else- measles being more severe in the babies and adults than kids).

Well my son attends an SLD school where children are there because of both disease (usually meningitis though) & vaccination. Which might part explain why some choose to run the risk of the disease.

babyhammock Sun 17-Feb-13 11:47:02

I had all three diseases when I was younger and was fine.
Measles side effects are reduced if vitamin A is given and also if mum is/has breastfed.... well that's what my doctor told me.

Measles itself isn't dangerous, what's dangerous is that it stops the immune system working properly which makes the sufferer vulnerable to complications like pneumonia. The healthier the immune system is to begin with the more likely the disease will just be quite mild.

Baby that's pretty much word for word how my family health book written by a consultant paed in the early 80's describes measles. This thread has reminded me I need to stock up on cod liver oil.

He does say 'if you get any of the complications they can easily be treated with antibiotics' which might not be quite so true these days (and you'll probably need a much higher dose than you would have in the early 80's)

babyhammock Sun 17-Feb-13 12:03:54

and carrots wink x

Muminwestlondon Sun 17-Feb-13 12:12:34

Gumps - how many children at your school are there as a results of measles, mumps or rubella?

Do you think I should risk my DC getting a crippling disease to protect your DC who had already had the vaccine which didn't work?

I think newborns are protected by their Mum's immunity.

ErikNorseman Sun 17-Feb-13 12:16:18

I got mumps at the age of 25. I was pregnant. I miscarried. The baby died while the symptoms were present. I have no idea whether they were related but my instinct says yes. I wasn't vaccinated as a child. My DS has been.

Ponderingonaquandry Sun 17-Feb-13 12:19:09

For me I resent the choice being taken away from children who can't have the vaccine (either because they're too young or too poorly) when people opt to not vaccinate. Measles can be extremely mild but it also can be extremely serious. Why take the risk? Or is it ok if it's not your child who is affected?

Fwiw my newborn contracted rubella, not serious to them but potentially serious to any pregnant women they came into contact with.

Muminwestlondon Sun 17-Feb-13 12:22:52

I think OP wanted to hear about people who had had experienced these diseases recently. Now it has deteriorated into the familiar slanging match about whose kids are more important.

We all care most about our own kids. I did not vaccinate with the MMR because I could not take the risk with the "R" component. They have had the other vaccines. At the end of the day I can do what I want so the rest of the world can fuck off.

ErikNorseman Sun 17-Feb-13 12:24:25

At the end of the day I can do what I want so the rest of the world can fuck off.

Charming!

Ponderingonaquandry Sun 17-Feb-13 12:25:03

Well aren't you just a bucketful of charm.

I wish they'd make it compulsory to be vaccinated and not allow children into schools without proof of vaccination unless medically exempt.

Ponderingonaquandry Sun 17-Feb-13 12:25:56

Oh and my experience of rubella is within the last 10 years which is what the op wanted to hear about

bigbuttons Sun 17-Feb-13 12:28:26

5 of mine had measles last year. They were poorly for few days but no complications and no side effects.

FutTheShuckUp Sun 17-Feb-13 12:29:29

Fair enough Mum you have your experience and its valid, but theres no need to poo poo everyone elses and make out its not as valid. And as for the swearing well, if thats the only way to get your point across you wont be getting many supporters

littleducks Sun 17-Feb-13 12:37:20

Personally I think the MMR is a pretty shit vaccine. I have had it repeatedly, I do not have immunity to mumps or measles. I am immune to rubella which I had as a child. I assumed I was immune as I had been given the vaccine, especially since in pregnancy the test your immunity to rubella only. It was only when I had blood tests to test immunity that it became obvious it hadnt worked for me. The treatment is to have it again hmm and again and then eventually they dont test if you are immune afterwards but assume it worked hmm hmm.

I had the MMR as a child but never got the booster (for some reason they didn't know that it was needed yet).

I have had Mumps once at around 17, hurt like hell and I felt like shit but it went away and was mild. I assume the original vaccine probably made the illness less serious?

Had the booster after that and I have been fine.

Rooneyisalwaysmoaning Sun 17-Feb-13 12:45:45

Ds2 had, we think (inconclusive swabs) measles when he was 10 months old.
He was poorly, but not dangerously ill - he stayed at home and had no long term side effects, as far as I know - he did have an ear infection alongside it though, so it wasn't fun for him.

I held off on the MMR as he had a few flags for possible ASD, at the time, and also I heard it could cause problems to give the measles vaccine if the child had had it already.

Not sure how relevant or accurate that is.
Ds1 had the mMR, I'm hopin to give ds2 a single mumps vaccine if/when it becomes available.

How recent do you want? I'm in my late twenties and was at school with a girl who was rendered deaf through measles, so this was, what? Mid eighties

Rooneyisalwaysmoaning Sun 17-Feb-13 12:46:42

Also I had measles when I was about 10, and mumps when I was 5 (and gave it to my dad).

No long term effects for either of us afaik.

Rooneyisalwaysmoaning Sun 17-Feb-13 12:47:04

and I'm 39 btw.

momb Sun 17-Feb-13 12:47:30

No personal experience because I vaccinated my two but YD lost a school friend two years ago to measles. Very quick; he was feeling poorly at school on Friday, developed rash and light sensitivity Friday night and was gone by Sunday evening even after ICU care. His parents still don't know where he caught it from.

I'm 22 btw.

OliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Sun 17-Feb-13 12:54:23

Hi there
We have moved this to our vaccinations topic
Thanks
MNHQ

My brother had mumps in the last few years and has been left deaf in one ear. His age group didnt get the mmr. Both mine have had the vaccine with no issues.

aufaniae Sun 17-Feb-13 13:57:23

momb that's terribly sad.

tallulah Sun 17-Feb-13 14:44:31

One of mine had rubella and one had mumps. Both had had the MMR tho, so I'm assuming that's why they both got a mild case. They certainly weren't ill with it any more than with a cold.

I remember my brother having mumps when he was about 7 or 8 back in the early 70s. Apart from looking like a hamster he wasn't particularly ill either. Just a bit sore.

(Although I would imagine the earlier notifications numbers to be a bit unreliable?)

sneezingwakesthebaby Sun 17-Feb-13 15:11:41

Thank you all for sharing your experiences. From reading these it sounds like its pot luck in the sense they affect some people more than others and that maybe modern life hasn't changed that from years ago.

Momb that's so scary that it can happen so fast sad so sad. And Erik that's so sad that the disease could do that sad

slug Sun 17-Feb-13 15:29:29

I live in an area with low vaccine uptake. I'm also old enough not to have been vaccinated.

In 2007 I contracted mumps. I was horrendously I'll and hospitalised on 2 occasions during the course of the illness with complications. It took me months to recover completely. I was left exhausted and drained. A year later my neighbour contracted mumps also. He, in his own words, 'walked like a crab' for a week and has low fertility as a result.

OddBoots Sun 17-Feb-13 15:56:16

I know a young man (un-vax) who contracted mumps about 7 years ago, it developed as Mumps Orchitis and sadly they don't think he will ever have a normal sperm count.

This is why I don't understand the point of mumps vaccination. Contract mumps as a child and in a third of cases it's asymptomatic & if you do catch it you don't run the risk of infertility.

Vaccinate the population and you risk increasing the likelihood of teens and adults catching it who are more likely to suffer complications (albeit sterility following mumps being very rare). The number of cases of teens & adults catching mumps has increased recently but it's hard to compare those with pre-MMR days as it wasn't notifiable until MMR was introduced.

bruffin Sun 17-Feb-13 16:50:57

There is plenty of reasons to vaccinated against mumps is not just the headline risk of sterility. Mumps is a known case of deafness, encephitis and subsequently death due to encephitis something like 2 in a 10000. There is also a known risks of type 1 diabetes due to pancreatitis.

These are statistics on the 2011 measles epidemic
"thirty-three countries in the WHO European Region are also experiencing higher number of outbreaks. There have been 6 reported deaths from the virus, 360 cases of severe pneumonia and 12 cases of encephalitis that has not occurred in the U.S. Ten thousand cases have been reported in Europe from January to April, 2011."that is a death rate of 1 in 1666and serious complication rate of 1 in 26

Which age group though? My point was that complications are more common in adults/teens and that vaccination can have the effect of increasing the numbers of teens/adults contracting a disease.

Although as I said as it wasn't notifiable before MMR that's a bit hard to tell.

The HPA gives very low rates of severe complications btw - although depends how you define severe I guess) and says there's no evidence that orchitis causes sterility! (Much to my surprise it had to be said)

bruffin Sun 17-Feb-13 17:26:03

That is child age group and any death rate is a higher complication than the vaccine.

VinegarDrinker Sun 17-Feb-13 17:28:42

My husband had measles in 2007. He was seriously unwell, admitted to hospital for a week, and got secondary hepatitis and pneumonia as a result.

We have autism in the family (a very strong genetic link - father and brother have it).

There is absolutely no way I would consider not giving my children the MMR.

VinegarDrinker Sun 17-Feb-13 17:30:29

Too many negatives - confusing post, sorry! I have had DS vaccinated, didn't occur to either of us for a second not to.

Oh sorry I was reading on my phone and missed that the complications were about measles.
I can't find any UK reported deaths other than those on the HPA website which I linked to earlier although a story on here would seem to contradict that. The HPA link was updated in 2010 but I looked through measles reports after that and couldn't find any.

My mum's measles complication would no doubt be recorded as severe but I don't think she sees it like that - certainly not compared to ds1

PearlyWhites Sun 17-Feb-13 17:49:27

My dd3 had measles last year, she was 13 months and was just about to have her appointment for her mmr. She spent 8 days in hospital and was very poorly she also developed pneumonia as a complication. I was pregnant with ds at the time and panicked about my unborn ds as the mmr was not available when I was as a child. It makes me angry when people do not immunise their children and leave babies like my dd vulnerable to measles.

CatherinaJTV Sun 17-Feb-13 18:40:49

So sorry ErikNorseman sad

CatherinaJTV Sun 17-Feb-13 18:50:33

I have hardly heard of any cases of M, M or R in the past 10 years. There were two cases of rubella in DD's daycare (in Germany) and one of those kids was very unwell (a toddler) and out for 10 days. One boy in DD's high school class here had mumps and measles in two subsequent years, was off for a week each, mostly bored, but annoyed with his mum for not vaccinating him. One of the admin staff (young man in his 20ies) had mumps a couple of years ago and wasn't thrilled, but not very ill either. One of my students had mumps as a pre-teen and had horrible pancreatitis and could never eat butter or anything fatty ever again (as in 20 years later), because that had made him feel so sick. All other cases are longer than 20 years ago (like my brother who had seizures with the measles and got mumps while still recovering from the measles, my grandma who had lost most of her eye sight to measles, her brother in law, who was deaf because of congenital rubella, the daughter of a colleague of my mum, who had full blow congenital rubella, blind, deaf, severe heart defect, cerebral palsy and intellectual disability and so on). Thing is, vaccination is so effective that we rarely hear of these diseases and what complications they cause, but in contemporary disease outbreaks, complications are about as severe and frequent as before vaccination.

Lauren1981Johnson Wed 20-Feb-13 15:35:39

Just been reading through all this as my nearly 4 year old daughter contracted measles last week after being immunised (single jabs x 2). I was totally confused as I thought she wouldn't be able to catch it (from pre-school, had received a letter the previous week) but apparently according to my doc, vaccinations are up to 90% effective.
First of all, I was angry as I thought what was the point in her having the jabs (at a cost of £150 each plus the anger from her for being injected!) but after researching measles, I'm glad she only received a mild strain of it! All she had was conjunctivitus in one eye & the crazy rash. No temperature or complications.
It appears to be an horrendous illness with many complications which I certainly wasn't aware of.
I, for one, am glad I got her vaccinated against measles even though it was unheard of where I live & now seems to be on the increase. Worrying

feadie1 Fri 19-Apr-13 20:21:11

My ds had measles last year. He had raging temperature and a horrible cough. I also had to keep him in the dark while he was ill and dim light when he was recovering.
My gp was useless and didnt have any advice about caring for him. The best info I received was letting his temperature run its natural course rather than using calpol as this helped him to fight off the illness. And keeping him warm once fever had broken to prevent him catching any colds when recovering. I found oatmeal baths and coconut oil were best to soothe his itching and green tea was great for clearing the conjunctivitis. It also took him 3 weeks after to get his strength back so I kept him off school for ages.

feadie1 Fri 19-Apr-13 20:38:24

Sorry my message isnt clear. I meant to say i used nhs guidelines for fever which meant I only used calpol when his temp got too high.

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