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i would like support as i do want the mmr vaccination for my daughter!!!!!!

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holben Sat 22-Sep-12 12:46:06

I have a 3 yr old dd who had the mmr done seperately the first time. But is now due for her booster. Me and my family all feel the same on this. I realise that there are alot of parents who feel very strongly that you should the mmr as it is. But for me if there is the smallest doubt that this could be linked to autisim then that for me is enough!!! The reason i am posting on here is because i can get the signular jabs for measles and rubella through a private clinic in Birmingham, but unable to get the mumps, and i have seen people saying that they are getting this done and i am wondering if they have found somewhere they can get the mumps from??? If not are parents just having the two done and leaving the mumps?? Also i suppose i am wanting to see how many parents feel the same as me and what they are doing about the singular vaccinations, also any words of support/advice as to what to say to the doctors when i tell them i am not having the mmr with them. I really do not think it is fair that they will not licence the mumps into the country, surely this is our choice to make, plus we are paying alot of money to this done. I am really very grateful for your responses.

Tabitha8 Sat 22-Sep-12 21:34:55

I've never had any difficulties with my doctors' surgery on the issue of which vaccines, if any, to have. It's your choice. The surgery used to write to us with reminders and someone (can't remember from where) rang me in the end. I just said we were delaying for the time being so they took me off their reminder list.
That doesn't help you with your question about Mumps, of course. I thought it still wasn't available as a single? That's one vaccine I wasn't going to give to DS anyway so it wouldn't have been a problem. When he's older, I can always look at that again.

3duracellbunnies Sat 22-Sep-12 21:39:39

Being a girl mumps isn't as dangerous as for a boy. She could of course catch it and pass it on to a boy, but I thought the main risk was to a man's fertility.

Tabitha8 Sat 22-Sep-12 21:45:51

Yes, agree with Duracell.

www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Mumps/Pages/Complications.aspx

The NHS website is worth a read.

rubyrubyruby Sat 22-Sep-12 21:48:47

I wouldn't worry about mumps tbh

ElaineBenes Sun 23-Sep-12 00:39:12

I would. Certainly has a worse safety record than the mmr. How do you know that mumps can't cause autism?

CatherinaJTV Sun 23-Sep-12 01:22:17

Go do the MMR. It doesn't cause autism, you'll have one visit, no hassle, a licensed and well kept vaccine (rather than some dodgy imports with an odd measles strain or so).

sashh Sun 23-Sep-12 07:49:15

There is no link to autism.

But that aside - the reason MMR boosters were introduced is because it was found that not every one got lifetime immunity from a single jab.

Which means that some people do get life long immunity, others it wears of in a few years and for the rest the immunity is there for more years.

So........................

Have your daughter's immunity tested. If she is currently immune to all three then rethink in a couple of years - but not too many.

I agree with CJTV though - MMR is safe, a single jab will be imported and will be an old 'recipe' for want of a better word.

LMCG Sun 23-Sep-12 09:03:36

DON'T DO IT! I've spent hours and hours researching vaccs and read all I can find and I will never give my children any vaccs. My first son had them untill 2 and was sickly had recurring throat infections fevers untill I took him to homeopath and was fine since he's 15 now and v healthy.My daughter hasn't had any and is a strapping 12 yr old and my latest 11mths hasn't had any never been ill besides a couple of mild colds. IMO they DO cause autism and DO cause many other problems-autism has increased massively-WHY? Mumps etc are simple childhood diseases that healthy children fight and build up their immune systems from.Nowadays their immune has nothing to do and goes haywire thus all the other childhood problems that are so prevalent.The best thing you can do is research to put you mind at rest and don't bow down to pressure from doctors and hv -they get bonuses for getting everyone done! IMO it's just legalised drug pushing it's a massive business worth billions and will never change it's up to the individual to educate themselves on the subject. I could go on forever I feel so strongly about this and parents should support each other when deciding not to subject their children to this abuse.:/

SuperSlattern Sun 23-Sep-12 09:12:50

LMCG what an absolutly ridiculous thing to say.

The reason why these diseases are no longer deadly is because of vaccinations.

It's completely up to you what you do with your children. But your claims are based on opinion and not fact.

People used to die because of those types of diseases because they lead to complications FFS angry

SuperSlattern Sun 23-Sep-12 09:16:07

Btw I had the MMR as a child, and my DD has just had her first one.

ProPerformer Sun 23-Sep-12 09:27:22

LMCG..... Ok you are doing what you feel is best for your children and I respect that but.......

There is no real hard evidence to suggest that vaccines cause things like autism - all the hype was from one paper!! Yes they can cause complications, bit only if the child is allergic to parts of the vaccine or highly sensitive to the disease, kids can get sick from vaccines but that's because they catch a very mild form of the disease.

There is hard evidence to show that measles, mumps and all the other 'simple childhood diseases' as you call them can kill your children! This can happen at any age even adult - just because they are happy and healthy into their teens does not mean they won't catch these diseases as an adult and ultimately die from them. Many of these diseases are simple if caught as a child but cause a hell of a lot of complications in adults - blindness, deafness, limb loss and death.
Sorry but I can't see how anyone would not immunise their children when the risks from vaccines are so small and the risks of the diseases are so high! However, it is not worth kids getting the chicken pox vaccine unless they have other health conditions.

Please OP get your child immunised - the MMR is perfectly safe (well not 100% but safer than the diseases which are now coming back because of children not getting immunised!) Utimatley do what you think best as a parent.

(My 'qualifications' for my answer: My uncle is a top scientist in the field of disease and immunisation so I phone him before every vaccine my DS has and he says 'yes' or 'No' FWIW the yes list is MMR, Polio, meningitis, Diptheria and I think another I can't remember and the No list has been Chicken pox and bird flu! )

theynevershutup Sun 23-Sep-12 09:32:52

I am in the same position as you in that my DD (4) has had all her vaccinations apart from MMR. She's had the single measles and rubella jabs and booster for measles, but at the moment there is no single for mumps and probably unlikely to have one in the future. So at the moment she is unvaccinated for mumps. My DS (7), had single vaccines too and he did have mumps. It's a difficult decision and every child and parent is different, but I think you should go with your gut feeling and do what you believe us best.

forevergreek Sun 23-Sep-12 09:38:07

Apparently the cases of measles, mumps and rubella have now shot through the roof again ( according to our doctor), is due to lack of immunisations again

ProPerformer Sun 23-Sep-12 09:46:17

Also I can't understand how anyone could call getting your children vaccinated is abuse - leaving your children prone to deadly diseases is abuse IMHO! My opinions in vaccines are based on years and years of research by a specialist in the field (who gets no commission for this or for jabs given so could say 'no' or 'yes' to allow them and would make no difference) so if you 'do your own research properly and thoroughly and with a knowledge of the diseases I don't see how anyone could come up with any other conclusion other than vaccines are a good thing!! Children's immune systems still have plenty to do as they use their immune systems to create the immunity to the vaccine in exactly the same way they would with the disease but in a much less risky way so that argument is utter rubbish!! (Also parents who religiously sterilise everything are not helping their kids immunity but that is another topic!)

Sorry but LMGC has made me do angry - not through her choice as that's up to her, but by her obvious lack of real knowledge on the subject and then telling others to put their children at risk because of her limited research!

Only4theOlympics Sun 23-Sep-12 10:03:59

Lmgc. Autism has increased because it is now getting diagnosed where as before they were just "difficult" or "odd" children.

What utter tripe.

ProPerformer Sun 23-Sep-12 10:05:31

To add to my last post - of course there are exceptions - if your child has an existing condition of the immune system or certain other illnesses it is not advised that they get certain if any vaccines. This is because they need the immune system to work on the mutated or synthetic form of the disease in the vaccine.

Panzee Sun 23-Sep-12 10:11:17

I stopped reading at homeopath.

eatyourveg Sun 23-Sep-12 10:20:22

There was a discussion about the single mumps on another thread here scroll down to the post from 1Guy last Sunday. Makes interesting reading. I'm waiting for single mumps too

LMCG Sun 23-Sep-12 10:57:02

As I pointed out in last post it was IMO. I'd be interested to see what, if any research has been done by angry posters????? I feel the same anger that you expect me follow all the other 'sheep' and have my child vaccinated. I have looked at BOTH arguments and made an INFORMED DECISION after reading books/leaflets/internet and speaking to other people not just ONE report. Autism IS increasing as are numerous other diseases and conditions that have never been around in such high numbers such as meningitis. The high numbers of `odd` children have never been as high as the numbers of autistic children, the figures speak for themselves. Properformer why does your uncle say No to some and yes to others?? Does he work for/supply information for the government?? Inform yourselves about the numbers of vaccine damaged children, what they contain, how they don't work and widen your knowledge ?? but you know what they say `ignorance is bliss` :/ www.jabs.org.uk www.foresightpreconception.org.uk www.wddty.com www.healing-arts.org www.vaccinetruth.org www.wanttoknow.info wwwheilkunst.com www.naturalnews.com www.greenhealthwatch.com www.mercola.com - just a few to be going on with lots more out there

MousyMouse Sun 23-Sep-12 11:04:23

plenty of research has been done and published by proper scientist.
without no vaccine would be authorised. yes they have side effects but they are usually much less than the actual illness.

noblegiraffe Sun 23-Sep-12 11:08:02

Unfortunately, LMCG if your decision is informed by bollocks, (don't trust everything you read on the internet) then it's not necessarily a good decision.

My cousin is severely autistic. He wasn't vaccinated so it can't be blamed on that. That hasn't stopped many people (strangers phoning them up) badgering the family to try to join legal action against vaccine manufacturers. I imagine if he had been vaccinated there would have been a lot more pressure on them to make the link.

Sabriel Sun 23-Sep-12 11:21:31

I would second sashh. Have her immunity checked first, then you can make your decision based on that.

silverfrog Sun 23-Sep-12 11:22:00

noblegiraffe - your cousins family have total strangers phoning them up, unsolicited, to join legal action against vaccine manufacturers?

how odd.

is this recent? which vaccine/manufacturer?

I have never come across this at all - not from personal experience (dd1 has severe autism), nor from any other family I know (dd1 has attended 3 different ASD schools. I know a lot of families with severely autistic children.)

OP: if I were you, the first thing I would do is get a titre test done to check your dd's immunity. 30% of mumps cases are subclinical, so there is a chance your dd has had it without you even knowing.

AnitaBlake Sun 23-Sep-12 11:23:59

I note you don't link or reference actual scientific papers, or accredited websites, simply pressure groups with an anti-vacc agenda LMCG. Even the discredited paper you vaguely refer to doesn't actually say what you think it says (its part of my job to read such papers) the media whipped this into such a frenzy that it was blown out of proportion. They should be prosecuted for attempted man slaughter imo.

Please stop peddalling your untruths.

ProPerformer Sun 23-Sep-12 11:29:40

LMGC he doesn't say 'no' to certain vaccines as such but more 'it's not worth it. For example the chicken pox vaccine is not much different from the actual disease and it can cause complications so it's not worth getting it as a child, however it is worth it if you have not had CP by adulthood it is worth it as it can be much more dangerous in adults.

I do agree that vaccines can damage children But far less than the diseases they protect against - diseases that would have been eradicated from the uk if all parents immunised their children. Complications from vaccines are much lower in percentage of children vaccinated/children getting complications to children getting the disease/children getting complications because of the diseases.
The small pox vaccine caused complications in some children and yet it has wiped out a fatal and disturbing disease.

My uncle does not work for the government.

noblegiraffe Sun 23-Sep-12 11:36:31

Yes, silver, from what they have said. They don't live in the UK so their experience may well be different to yours.

Don't know any more details but he is an adult now so a good few years ago. There are definitely people out there with a financial interest in making the link.

ProPerformer Sun 23-Sep-12 11:44:52

I also note LMGC's websites have no real accredited scientific basis. When I have more time I will find some propper scientific sites stating the pro's and cons of immunisation.

Oh Immunisations work by injecting your child with a weak, mutated or synthetic form of the disease so that your immune system can create antibodies to fight the disease should it come into contact with it in the future. Of course there are risks - you are exposing your child to a disease, but it is in a very mild form. All vaccines ate given decades of tests to ensure the utmost safety but nothing is 100% safe. On another note - that's why my uncle said no to the bird flu vaccine, because it hadn't been given the decades of research to prove it properly safe.

By all means do your own research but use sites that have a scientific basis and argue pro and con. Any site that just argues one side of the argument is biased and so not to be trusted IMHO.

(LMGC I do respect your post was stated as opinion and I do respect that. I'm not saying you should immunise your children if you do not feel it is right as that is your choice.)

SophySinclair Sun 23-Sep-12 11:54:30

How does one go about getting DC's immunity checked? We're coming up to vaccination time for DS1

LMCG Sun 23-Sep-12 11:59:07

properformer please expand on your `the chicken pox vaccine is not much different from the actual disease` aren't all vaccines based on that theory? chicken pox is a cleansing disease necessary for immune function, thats why it's worse as we get older. and to what extent do you agree that children are damaged and why is that ok? it's a very small number of children that have had complications from childhood diseases. Reported complications are lower in vaccinated children for a reason- don't be so naive. Studies have shown that outbreaks of diseases have occured in fully vaccinated populations.

ProPerformer Sun 23-Sep-12 12:16:10

As in the CP vaccine is almost as likely to give you the disease itself as not.

I'm going out soon. But tomorrow I'll link some websites of my own finding that say both sides of the argument so people can make their own properly informed desicion based on fact and not hype!! (And that's hype on both sides of the argument!)

LMCG Sun 23-Sep-12 12:20:51

hear hear hmm

squishyotter Sun 23-Sep-12 12:54:06

LMCG you are utterly deluded and out of touch with reality.

sashh Sun 23-Sep-12 13:49:34

* LMCG*

It is virtually impossible to do impartial research on the internet if you are not scientifically trained because the methods used by scientists and the methods used by anti-vacs are opposite.

A scientist tests a theory, and then tries to disprove it. That's why gravity is still a theory, we have a lot of evidence but it has not been proved and you would not get a scientist to say it has been proved.

Anti-vacs find anecdotal evidence and then try to gather more to 'prove' their case.

Scientists use thousands of examples, studies numerous cases, tests, retests, etc.

Anti-vacs don't.

You CANNOT give them both the same credence.

Just because your children are healthy doesn't mean vaccines don't work. As a child I was driven from Northern England to Spain in the tailgate of a car. It did me no harm. But I wouldn't recomend parents drive thousands of miles with a child not in a seat or seatbelt.

forevergreek Sun 23-Sep-12 13:55:25

i do find it quite sad actually that where many in the world would do anything for a vaccine, many fortunate people here in the west are declining.

as for well 30% can have mumps and it be undetected. i can just imagine how uttery awful i would feel if my child had mumps and was fine/ undetected but shown from tests, and they passed it on to another child/person who becomes seriously ill from it. I could never forgive myself

Tiago Sun 23-Sep-12 13:59:57

OP - give your child the vaccine. These diseases are dangerous, with potential complications including blindness and death. And even if your child does not suffer overly - any child they pass it on to might, which is why we need high levels of vaccination - for the herd immunity.

Bluestocking Sun 23-Sep-12 14:04:11

I'm sure it must have occurred to the pro-single-vaxxers that there is a healthy profit to be made by terrorising parents with fables about the damage that combined vaccinations do, then kindly providing (at a cost) single vaccines for these terrrorised parents to buy. It must also surely have occurred to the anti-vaxxers in general that a lot of the anti-vax stuff on the internet is put there by total idiots who have no understanding whatsoever of scientific method. Or perhaps not?

ProPerformer Sun 23-Sep-12 14:12:49

Have just poped back here to read during a break.

While I totally disagree with LMGC I don't think she is out of touch with reality or 'stupid' as some posters have implied. She has chosen not to immunise her children because of her research and is letting us know why. She is just as entitled to have that view as we ate to have the opposite. Yes it does make me angry but then again she has at least made the effort to show her sources etc. something that will do when I have the time. Let's just agree to disagree and stick to facts on either side without attacking people personally. (I realise I did just that myself in an earlier post for which I apologise.)

Pagwatch Sun 23-Sep-12 14:19:45

To be honest you should start by ignoring any posts which tell you whether to vaccinate or not. People who tell others what to do over such an important issue are generally shouty and thick.

You need to be very clear why you chose to decline a vaccination which require you to take some responsibility and do your own research. This should include discussing things with your GP because, if you are really sure that you want to decline then you should be sure enough to discuss that rationally with your medical advisor.

My DD has not had any vaccinations. I discuss this regularly with my GP and he fully accepts my decision.

Do some research. Talk to your GP. Then do what you think is best. It's just parenting.

LMCG Sun 23-Sep-12 15:13:21

well said pagwatch smile

JoTheHot Sun 23-Sep-12 18:17:16

I think you should read Pagwatch's post again LMCG. She said people like you are generally shouty and thick. Just in case you think the comment doesn't refer to you, here's a reminder of your first three words on this thread: 'DON'T DO IT!'

That said, I don't agree with Pagwatch's point. If you have good reason to believe that someone is making a bad decision, I see no reason not to say so. Are we allowed to criticise if someone is about to sign a totally unsuitable mortagage, or if they are genuinely ill and will only go to a homeopath, or do we really just have to stand by and say here's a link to the pros and cons?

The verifiable evidence clearly says that in general people should accept the routine vaccines. In general means excepting those who have medical reasons to believe that they are unusally prone to be harmed by a vaccine.

Pagwatch Sun 23-Sep-12 19:06:45

You are allowed to profer advice and opinion.
You can do as you wish.
I was just saying that in my opinion people who just say 'do this because I am right' tend to possess a horrible level of arrogance which does not tend to bode well for measured good sense.

People who are keen to force their opinions on others probably have their determination to be right more to the forefront of their mind than the health and well being of the person they are posting to.

ProPerformer Sun 23-Sep-12 20:41:59

Well said Pagwatch!

Reading my early posts back (LMCG makes me angry etc.) I feel I prob came across as shouting my point! sad What I meant was the 'DON'T DO IT' etc. not the decisions she has made for her own children. Yes it upsets me because of the knowledge in my family about vaccines and the pro's and cons etc but I agree that ultimately every parent should do what they feel is right for their kids bacause they are the parent no one else.
Hence why tomorrow I am going to search out some websites of pros and cons to link to. IMHO the pros far outweigh the cons but..... Its an individual opinion.

ProPerformer Sun 23-Sep-12 20:51:30

I openly admit there are cons - I'd be stupid to say otherwise - but having a knowledge of the diseases these vaccines help stop, to me the cons of vaccines are a better risk to take than the cons that would occur should my child get the diseases in question. However I can also see the point that a friend of mine who hasnt given her child all the vaccinations which is 'My DC is so unlikely to get the propper disease that I don't want them to get ill from a vaccine unessicarily." But again it's a risk I'm not prepared to take. Most (not all) failed vaccines, or outbreaks of diseases in vaccinated communities occur because of different or mutated strains of a disease (sort of like the different strains of flu, or MRSA) a vaccine can only protect against certain strains of disease if a new one comes along they may work or may not.

Anyway..... Prior to my links tomorrow I hope this post has made my view a little more balanced as I do realise I was ranting a bit earlier (PMT!).

:Offers handshake to LMGC and hopes no offence has been taken. Was not intended.:

ElaineBenes Mon 24-Sep-12 03:42:28

This is a serious topic but I can't help but laugh at the idea of an immune system sitting around getting bored, then going a bit bananas and causing all the diseases which , apparently, are so prevalent now! And this coming from someone who, apparently, has done hours of research. It would be nice if this research was based in biological fact.

If LMCG had really done research, she'd know that childhood infectious diseases are actually a relatively recent phenomenon in human history. There is no need for these diseases to 'build up' an immune system. In fact, evidence from South America prior to the Spanish and Portuguese invasion shows a vigorous and healthy population - far healthier than the 'epidemiologically hardened' population of Europe and Asia. But I guess this kind of stuff isn't discussed on the crankosphere (I note LMCG did not link to ONE authoritative website)

I completely agree with pagwatch that the OP should discuss with her GP before making any decisions.

And I also agree that it's not a question of criticizing individual decisions, whatever they may be, but the information (or misinformation) on which those decisions may be based.

SapphireandFevertree Mon 24-Sep-12 04:36:45

I had mumps menigoencephalitis as a child (viral meningitis and swelling of the brain). It nearly killed me. These viruses are very dangerous. There is no link between the vaccine and Autism. If you can't get the single mumps vaccine please please please give her the MMR.

AnitaBlake Mon 24-Sep-12 04:45:21

I would like to point out that mumps is not a primarily male-risk disease as is often quoted. The reason for this us that the testes are, obviously on the outside of the body and so the swelling is observable, whereas the ovaries are tucked away inside the body. Both can become inflamed during a mumps illness and cause infertility.

holben Wed 26-Sep-12 12:42:08

Thank you to everyone who took the time to reply to my post!!!! It does give me a lot to think about and i will definitely do some more research. Thanks again !!

bruffin Wed 26-Sep-12 17:12:56

Vaccine safety web sites WHO consider meeting credibility and content good information practices criteria

and
IOM review Adverse Effects of Vaccines: Evidence and Causality Its quite easy to dip into as there is a chapter for each vaccine and information about the disease they protect against.

holben Wed 03-Oct-12 22:24:22

Thank you for those links bruffin, I will definitely take a look!

Beaaware Sun 11-Nov-12 10:12:34

If anyone is the slightest bit worried about vaccines given to their children and the side effects then you must obtain the vaccine batch numbers. I say this because some BCG vaccines were withdrawn during the 90's due to fear that they were infected with bse, people who have died from vCJD may have been exposed to this disease via the vaccine route but relatives are now finding it impossible to obtain the vaccine batch numbers. lessons to be learned.

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