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Whooping cough vaccine while pregnant, worrying?(131 Posts)
Just wondering if anyone else feeling reluctant to get the whooping cough vaccination now recommended for 28-38wks pregnant? I'm currently 20wks and really concerned about getting it, but guess I have plenty of time to make my mind up yet . I had DD in the peak of a whooping cough epidemic back (last year) when it wasn't offered to pregnant women! She thankfully was fine and got her own vaccinations at 8wks etc Just wondering if I'm alone in stressing about this? Or should I just do as I'm told and get it?
I got the flu and whooping cough when i was 30 weeks pregnant,
Not had a cold since and baby hasnt needed to be taken to the GP or anything ...
I have a happy, healthy 8 week old baby
I had the whooping cough (pertussis) vaccine in pregnancy and developed severe skin reaction (which I still have months afterwards). Then I informed myself. This book is a must read for anyone especially when about to have children. www.amazon.com/Vaccination-Not-Immunization-Fourth-Edition/dp/1929487150
My DS had whooping cough when he was 3 weeks old in July/August 2012. It was horrendous for him and me and he could have died. He was in hospital on oxygen for a few days. He would have coughing fits which would leave him blue, vomited after every feed, lost weight and the cough stayed for 6 months. It was before the pregnancy vaccine came in and he was part of the statistics that made them bring in the vaccine. It is no good saying that your sister didn't vaccinate and her kids were fine. The fact is that I was vaccinated as a child. For some reason either my immunity waned (as it did it many women) or the whooping cough strain has changed and the original vaccine was no longer sufficient. So the immunity did not pass to him in the womb. We do not know where he caught it from. He had only been to Tesco! My family were tested and it wasn't them. People are contagious with the whoop before they have symptoms so it's no good saying you will keep I'll people away. Watching my baby struggle for breath was heartbreaking and terrifying. I would urge anyone reading this to get the vaccine if it is offered to protect your baby.
Oh and congratulations Keznel,
Very glad it has all worked out for you and that you did your research well.
I think Keznel is right!
And I think mothers need to stop being sheep easily swayed by whatever they are told. Jeeze! Your baby is highly unlikely to die, in England and Wales something like 400 babies died in 2012 and if you look at that percentage wise in comparison with all the babies that didn't die the percentage in less than 1%. My mother had no whooping cough vaccine when she was pregnant with me and my siblings and we all turned out just fine! My sister had no whooping cough vaccine with her three children and they all turned out just fine so I don't really see what all the fuss is about. I personally won't be having it! Because I'm not sheep and from the investigations of all the crap in that vaccine looks like it does more harm than good anyway. Guess il have to risk it like my mother did and like my sister did and hope for nature to protect as it always has.
I was looking for up to date whooping cough information to see if I was in a high risk area or season. I found some very interesting and accurate data on the below link which helped me make an informed decision:
and search for the term: pertussis
The data was collected up til the end of December 2013 so is the most up to date I have found.
What a shame that these old illnesses are reappearing again and we are having to make such tough choices for our unborn with the very little info available to us.
Although the number of infant deaths is decreasing with more women getting vaccinated these days, the illness is still present and a serious one.
I had the whooping cough jab in the end at 32 weeks (two days ago) after a lot of research and discussions with the midwife and my doctor.
Good luck to all the mummies to be, this isn't an easy decision to make.
I had my vaccine for whooping cough on wednesday i'm 31 weeks pregnant today and had this injection on both occasions with my 2 boys and now expecting a girl my shoulder has come up red from where i was jabbed but now it really itches but it never did when i had it before.
Keznel, can I ask where you managed to get the information from on WC cases in your area? I've asked my midwife and GP and they weren't able to tell me.
Thanks for the update Keznel. Congratulations on your lovely boy. Your thread has been really interesting and useful to me.
Congratulations on your baby. Thanks for the update. Your reasoning sounds well though out and was obviously the best outcome for you and your baby
congratulations and thank you for the detailed update and reasoning...
Congratulations Keznel Glad you're both healthy and happy.
Hi I just wanted to update you with what I decided, and the reasons why, considering I started this
But firstly let me say to coorong hilarious your post made me laugh a lot, I'm in no doubt that you knew exactly what I meant by my comments, but cheers for the chuckle!
As my pregnancy progressed I continued to research the cases of suspected or confirmed WC in our area, and asked my local GP too. The trust that I work for had no cases in 2013. I myself did not (and haven't previously) come into contact with anyone who had either suspected or confirmed WC personally nor professionally. The numbers were insignificantly small. I also read a lot about the disease itself and it's cyclic nature 2012 being the epidemic year, the numbers should theoretically fall from then on. So I kept an eye on WHO published numbers and sure enough numbers were falling. I spoke at length to my consultant who agreed the risk was extremely small that the baby would contract WC. She said if I did decide to get it to leave it as late as possible to 35-36 weeks.
I decided not to have the vaccine while pregnant I felt that it was in its infancy in the use in pregnant women and I was not willing to get it for the reasons I have described above. I now have a happy, healthy, if somewhat noisy 16 week old DS who for reasons I'm not going to go into now, was born by CS at 37weeks. The house was a busy one after he was born. We were visited by adults, adolescents and babies and guess what not one case of WC among his visitors.
I am not posting this to receive your opinions on what I decided to do. I simply wanted to update you on my decision and the reasons for it. Had I discovered that WC was rife in the area we live I may have reached a different conclusion. I hope whatever everyone decided to do was the correct decision for them.
from your blog
That the trial was extended indicates that perhaps there have been few adverse events
No it doesn't it means exactly the opposite. Adverse effects would stop the trial.
No drug is tested on pregnant women or children so technically all drugs given before you are 18 are untested. But the reactions / efficacy / side effects are. I took a drug called methotrexate for 10 years. It had not been tested on pregnant women but it is known to cause serious birth defects in animals. So who in their right mind would risk that with a human? You are strongly advised not to get pregnant on methotrexate and if you do to stop it ASAP.
ther babies and children will have been vaccinated well any coming into contact with my new born will have been! So surely if I ask anyone displaying symptoms to stay away until the baby has had it's own vaccinations.
That sounds fine, but the primary carer for your baby, you, has not been vaccinated. What are you going to do if you contract WC?
I am reluctant to introduce chemicals and viruses into my body The only way to do that is live in a sterile bubble and not eat or drink anything.
it also contains: Phenoxyethanol, Polysorbate 80, aluminium phosphate, formaldehyde, glutaraldehyde, streptomycin, neomycin, polymyxin B and bovine serum albumin. Scary list that of course is present in most vaccines. The one that worry me most on that list for potential harm to my baby is aluminium.
But aluminium is not on the list of ingredients. Aluminium phosphate is not aluminium. When you turn on a tap water comes out, water is hydrogen dioxide (amongst other names) you don't get two different gasses pouring out of a tap you get water.
Research can be a good thing. Research when you do not know the context or the technical terms which have a specific meaning. Don't make assumptions, as you did about the trial being extended, as you are in a medical job ask the people who do medical trials.
Almost the thing I say almost always on these threads. If your child gets the disease they are on their own. There are treatments that can be given but nothing that cures.
There is Polio doing the roounds in Syria because children have not been vaccinated due to war/displacement/parents just trying to keep themselves and their children alive.
There have been no cases reported in the region outside Syria but the it has been found in Isreali sewer systems. Having an up to date polio vax is not a bad idea.
I do agree with crumbledwalnut, I desided not to go for flu vaccine as I believe in natural medicine and healthy lifestyle, but after reading about dying babies I'm really worried, is risky to do vaccine but even more risky not to have one ? I was hoping that by keeping healthy my self eating lots of fruit and veg and other food full of VITAMINES and antioxidants I will give my baby good antibodies naturaly and in my milk then by continuing doing so , plus keeping my baby far from other toddlers at liest in the 1st 3 months ? That was my plan ,to do that will take a lot of healthy effort which is fine by me, question is now is it enough? Or should I go for WC to be sure ,but worry about vaccines side effects? Is hard real hard:-(, xx
And which viruses are we full of that perform complex chemical reactions?
coorong, I think it's pretty obvious what she means.
keznel the "I don't want to put chemicals in my body" is a lame argument. Your body is one big chemical laboratory full of viruses perfuming complex chemical reactions. What are carbon dioxide, water and oxygen? Your body needs chemicals, that's why we eat and breathe.
You work in healthcare?
GrandPooh, your baby would have received its antibodies from you having whooping cough during your pregnancy even if you hadn't had the vaccine. The idea of the vaccine is to make you produce the WC antibodies and pass them onto your baby without you having to contract the disease yourself. Either way, the baby gets the antibodies but with the vaccine you don't have to have the disease.
I had the vaccine. Unbeknownst to me, I was already developing whooping cough.
I coughed so much I gave myself a hernia, and my stomach muscles were hurting before I went into labour. After I had DD I was trying to take care of a newborn whilst not being able to leave the house (cold air set off the cough and 'whoop' and it was December), when I coughed I would a) leak (yay for post partum pelvic floors) or b) vomit - which also led to leaking.
If I were asked again I would still have the vaccine - because what if I hadn't and I'd given my newborn baby whooping cough?
Crumbledwalnuts did you have the WC vaccine for your pregnancy in the end may I ask? Although you were a champion of thought, you hadn't weighed up your mind?
I agree with all your posts so far, i.e: give the individual the facts, and they can make the decision on whether to have the vaccination or not, rather than just tell me blindly to have it. People are good at making decisions for themselves when armed with all the facts. Doctors mostly know this, NHS nurses hate this, and health workers are oblivious to this.
The more up-to-date information that can be shared and is searchable on the internet, the better health will be in the UK. For other countries - be warned away from Nationalised Health Care systems!
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