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First measles death suspected in Swansea

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CatherinaJTV Fri 19-Apr-13 10:39:32

For the record though, I am not anti-vaccine. I am anti-ignorance.

LadyGranulomaFortesque Wed 24-Apr-13 11:14:30

Yes I am joining you starlight, before the big bruise on my forehead gets any larger from banging it against the wall.

LadyGranulomaFortesque Wed 24-Apr-13 11:13:47

The question was answered in the thread. Like I said on there, read the bloody thread. You have consistently misread or purposely misunderstood or ignored a wide variety of comments. I just called you on. You have blatantly said I have said things i haven't.

And I am getting cross at you because I am naturally impatient with those who basically lie to win an argument they just can't win.

Blimey, I didn't know I was entering a cross-thread world where people are carrying conversations over from one to the other.

I couldn't possibly keep up with that.

Hugo I think all your questions have been answered and patiently. I don't see anyone cross here.

I'll bail out now. Feel free to post a comment about how I'm really only going because I can't answer a question about weeds or something.

Good luck.

HugoBear Wed 24-Apr-13 11:08:26

I dont know why you are getting so cross with me LadyGranula. Especially when accused me of lying about you on another thread when all i did was ask a question that you havent answered. hmm

LadyGranulomaFortesque Wed 24-Apr-13 11:05:33

Hugo, haven't we already been through the safe/unsafe thing ad nauseum? And you have been told why it is unsafe for some. Unfortunately, you choose to believe that even those who win 18 year long court battles for vaccine damage are making it up. There is no way to reason with you. You have been given straight answers every time you have asked, which you choose to ignore or completely misunderstand!

bumbleymummy Wed 24-Apr-13 11:05:32

IIRC the amount is determined by the percentage of disability.

bumbleymummy Wed 24-Apr-13 11:04:30

Saying the vaccine is safe for the majority is not the same as saying that the vaccine safe for everyone. Vaccine damage does happen - you linked to one example yourself so why do you think that people are saying 'I can't say why' wrt why vaccines aren't safe for everyone confused

Do you believe that vaccine damage happens or not? Do you think the government really pay out (a paltry amount when you consider ongoing care costs!) just for the sake of it?

HugoBear Wed 24-Apr-13 10:58:53

no starlight, thats not true - my BIL once had an accident and when he got compo it was a reduced amount because of other factors.

HugoBear Wed 24-Apr-13 10:54:58

LadyGranula - I'm just a bit confused when some people say 'the vaccine is safe and heres the proof' and theres some people who say 'the vaccine isnt safe but i cant say why'.

and when I ask questions I dont get a proper answer or get told that Im lying about people!

'if they gave her less money than the full amount then that must mean that not everyone thought it was the jab. 10 days is a long time for a toddler!'

Do you understand anything about law?

You don't get awarded a graded amount according to the 'likeliness'. You have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that what you say happened did happen. It was either proved or disproved. If there was any doubt at all the award would have been zero.

LadyGranulomaFortesque Wed 24-Apr-13 10:39:04

and for clarity I am being PC when I say 'naive'

LadyGranulomaFortesque Wed 24-Apr-13 10:37:31

hugobear acts so naive and disbeleiving on this and other threads that i am starting to wonder if the opposite is true. angry plant maybe?

Come over the the SN boards. See for yourself the extent that government bodies will go to in order to a)not set precendets, b)deny parents justice, c)keep jobs and budgets. Families are torn apart simply for asking for a wheelchair.

Then you'll have a teeny bit of understanding why 'because the government say so' is not a good enough argument.

It's another world. You probably wouldn't believe half the things on there and dismiss the posters as unhinged. That is how it can continue.

HugoBear Wed 24-Apr-13 10:13:55

bumblymummy - they dont say that no-one will be damaged that a vaccine. only that 1 in a million are unlucky.

Maybe it took 17 years for this lady to get the compo because not everyone thought the vaccine was to blame? Isnt the full amount more than 90000??

if they gave her less money than the full amount then that must mean that not everyone thought it was the jab. 10 days is a long time for a toddler!

Not only that but I can tell you that even without the compensation fight it would have cost that family everything they had just to get support and an education for him.

10 days?

It took them 16 years for just £90k which I doubt even compensated the family for the ending of the parents careers to care and continue fighting for justice.

To win a legal argument you need EVIDENCE. And for any compensation it would have to be bloody strong and cost a fortune to gather in independent witnesses, assessments and doctors, not to mention a legal team.

HugoBear Wed 24-Apr-13 09:57:44

She got swine flu once. Her temperature rose and she was like a zombie. we took her to the out of hours service and they got us to take her home and monitor her temperature all night and told us that if it went above a certain number (cant remember what) then we should take her to hospital.

bumbleymummy Wed 24-Apr-13 09:54:13

As starlight pointed out - its incredibly difficult to claim compensation - it took this lady nearly 17 years. They don't give payouts willy nilly so they were obviously convinced that it was the MMR. Vaccine damage does happen you know. It can't always be dismissed as coincidence.

CoteDAzur Wed 24-Apr-13 09:40:29

"how do they know it was the MMR?? My DD would come down with different sicknesses every week at that age."

Did she come down with any sicknesses that caused fits, convulsing, and left her unable to talk, walk or stand without help?

HugoBear Wed 24-Apr-13 09:33:03

But it's true.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-11125343

10 days is a long time for a toddler. Its very sad that this little boy got ill, buthow do they know it was the MMR?? My DD would come down with different sicknesses every week at that age.

bumbleymummy Wed 24-Apr-13 09:17:05

I don't think she's accusing you of lying about your daughter Hugo - I think she's talking about the boy you mentioned who got compensated for vaccine damage.

HugoBear Wed 24-Apr-13 09:08:52

That's a horrible thing to say sad. Why would I lie about my own DD???

'I dont know, Cotedasur - I heard about a woman who got a payout for her child she said was damaged by the vaccine but that was 10 days after he had it! How do they know it was the vaccine?? '

So on the one hand you're saying that we should all trust science and apparent 'evidence' and on the other hand you say your suspicious of it's truth!?

Well tbh I'm suspicious of your story. It takes YEARS and financial resources like you would not believe to even bring a case for compensation, let alone get it awarded and during that time the family are treated with utmost comtempt, put through pychology assessments and often raised for social services investigations.

HugoBear Tue 23-Apr-13 23:52:19

I dont know, Cotedasur - I heard about a woman who got a payout for her child she said was damaged by the vaccine but that was 10 days after he had it! How do they know it was the vaccine?? confused

When DD was a toddler she got ill with different things almost every week! 10 days was enough time for her to get two different bugs! I remember being worried about this and I spoke to the doctor and she said that this was quite normal in little ones as their immune system was under constant attack and it was just fighting away and building up immunity. And she's absolutely fine now and hardly ever gets ill, except for the occasional 24hr throwing up but i think that's because she doesn't wash her hands properly.

And shes been absolutely fine with the vaccinations too, better than our cat George who would always be a bit sluggish and showing his inner eyelids for a couple of days when he had his annual jabs (but that was because he had the cat flu as a kitten and did have a proper reduced immune system and everything).

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