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AIBU to think that there may be many women who will not get the whooping cough vaccine?

(59 Posts)
CrapBag Fri 28-Sep-12 22:31:12

Just seen the news about there being a vaccine for pregnant women.

Also been reading some of the other thread and find there are people who don't want to vaccinate their children.

This is a new vaccine so I am thinking that women will be reluctant to get it when they are pregnant. I myself wasn't sure about the swine flu one but I did get it when I was pregnant with DD.

I hope women do the sensible thing. Seeing that baby was heartbreaking and in the South West alone cases have risen to well over 800 this year. sad

ElaineBenes Mon 01-Oct-12 22:11:21

Conspiracy theory LD? Shares in GSK?

ArthurPewty Mon 01-Oct-12 22:09:50

I don't trust them as far as I can spit.

ElaineBenes Mon 01-Oct-12 21:59:45

I don't know why but somehow I trust a committee of experts more than I do LD and her conspiracy theories.

I'd imagine the reason that they want to now use the vaccine on pregnant women is because they're very concerned about the threat of whooping cough for pregnant women and their newborn babies.

It would be unethical NOT to take action.

ArthurPewty Mon 01-Oct-12 21:12:23

Unlicensed vaccines being used on pregnant women, and that's just "okay" tothe medical establishment?

Wait, i forgot this was the brainchild of the JCVI. And we all know they'd NEVER recommend anything dangerous. What? urabe strain mumps / MMR? Oh wait, the JCVI said that was fine and dandy to license here in the UK at the exact same time as they knew full well of meningitis in Canada...

Whoops. All those poor children suffered because the JCVI recommended something dangerous.

And now its just "OKAY" for pregnant women to take an unlicensed vaccine cos some commitee says so?

Whereas yours is not, Leonie hmm - the arrogance, that is...

Lots of things are used without licence.
That does not mean they are not safe, simply that a legal hoop has not been jumped through.
I seriously don't get why all vaccination thread go belly up - you don't want to vaccinate, don't.
Of course there are children damages, and sometimes severely, by vaccination. However, there are far, FAR more children NOT damages because of vaccination. It is a numbers game, you are right, and chance can be a right bitch, but IMO the odds are in favour of vaccination.

<shrugs>

ArthurPewty Mon 01-Oct-12 21:01:35

"mhhh, sore arm, blue baby, sore arm, blue baby - let me think a bit about that."

You really think the worst outcome of catching pertussis is always going to be a "blue baby" (what about milder infections? DD1 probably had it in July, so what?) and that the worst outcome of vaccination is "a sore arm" (you deny vaccine damage??) ?

The arrogance is breathtaking.

Wait, i forgot who i am talking to.

ArthurPewty Mon 01-Oct-12 20:59:47

I'm sure you will. You realise it ISNT LICENSED for this, dont you?

CatherinaJTV Germany Mon 01-Oct-12 20:49:14

It'll protect them and their newborns of pertussis, LD. That's what it is going to do with them. It may also give mum a sore arm - mhhh, sore arm, blue baby, sore arm, blue baby - let me think a bit about that.

I told one expecting mum and she is going to ask her GP for it. I am very pleased and will keep talking about the vaccine smile

ArthurPewty Mon 01-Oct-12 20:46:15

what do they plan to do about bordetella parapertussis? It also causes whooping cough, and it is not affected whatsoever by the pertussis vaccine, acellular or whole cell.

ArthurPewty Mon 01-Oct-12 20:42:55

"This is a new vaccine"

OP, it is NOT a new vaccine. It is Repevax, a product licensed for children's booster jabs at school age.

It is NOT licensed for pregnant women, and the EMC product information specifically says that it shouldnt be used in pregnant women.

I hope to goodness there ARE pregnant women who do not get this. Lord knows what it will do to them and their unborn babies, in both the short and long terms.

Sidge Mon 01-Oct-12 09:21:57

Dinosaurs your son won't be receiving pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine at 12-18 months, he'll be due his Hib/Men C booster, pneumococcal booster and first MMR. All still worth getting IMO but just wanted to say in case you hadn't realised he wouldn't be getting a WC booster.

Pacific I nursed a 15 year old girl when I was a student nurse who had measles encephalitis - she was profoundly brain damaged sad - it has stayed with me since (so 20 years ago now) and was a factor in making my decision to give my daughters their MMR.

Trazzletoes Bosnia-Herzegovina Mon 01-Oct-12 09:18:22

I'm not pregnant but had whooping cough a few years ago. It was officially undisguised as I couldn't cough in front of the Dr, but I was whooping, coughing myself sick and it lasted for months. If I were pregnant I would most definitely be getting the vaccine.

Oh sorry, and no plans of a catch-up AFAIK (but then again I did not know anything about this on Friday morning...).

If you are currently pregnant it is my understanding that there is little point in getting the vaccine early ie before 28 weeks because the main purpose is to pass on antibodies to the newborn. You will of course also have protection from it.

Re children's immune systems: there is no doubt that v young babies' immune systems are immature and different to ours. Deciding at what age to offer which vaccine is always a weighing of risk vs benefit. That is why some vaccinations are offered younger than others.

Whoever said upthread that we (as a population) have forgotten how devestating some of the infectious illnesses were in the past, was spot on: I have been a GP for 20 years, I have never seen a case of measles for instance (and I am quite happy to keep it that way). However, in recent years there have been measles outbreaks again and deaths (in Ireland iirc, and Soutwest of England, were the vaccination uptake rates have been the lowest).

And that's 'just' measles. Polio, anyone??

DinosaursOnASpaceship Mon 01-Oct-12 08:46:01

I think I will have the vaccine (22 weeks pregnant) mainly because I was chatting yesterday to a relative who works for an nhs trust who was telling me that whopping cough had reached pandemic levels and that the number of young babies and children that were being bought in with it was rising. We are also getting ds3 vaccinated - we were holding off on his 12 month jabs as we wanted his immune system to develope a bit more etc - he was going to have them seperately at 18 months (he's 15 months now) but am making him an appointment at the GP today to get them done.

CailinDana Mon 01-Oct-12 08:34:31

I haven't heard anything about this and I'm not seeing the MW again for another month (I'm 20 weeks). Do you reckon I should contact her about it?

meditrina Mon 01-Oct-12 08:31:33

Does anyone know if there is consideration for a catch up programme for all adults who were not vaccinated with the old vaccine in the 70/80s? Surly this would be a good step to reduce the level of the disease circulating in the community?

firstaider Mon 01-Oct-12 08:21:33

I have just written an article explaining what whooping cough is and how to recognise it http://www.firstaidforlife.org.uk/blog/ this may be helpful to understand what a nasty bug it is.

The vaccine is tried and tested and 9 new born babies have died from Whooping Cough this year.

Goldmandra Sun 30-Sep-12 10:01:10

It's a shame that we have the technology to prevent people from catching these diseases but misinformation leads enough people to refuse vaccination that we end up with epidemics.

I don't suppose this vaccination programme will be enough to protect many people apart from babies. If I ran a large firm I think I'd be buying the vaccine in for my employees. You could lose a lot through sickness if it went round an office.

alistron1 Sun 30-Sep-12 09:48:28

AFAIK immunity conferred by the vaccine does wear off as we/kids get older and indeed if you actually contract whooping cough. However 10+ years ago this wasn't a problem because of herd immunity. Now, because of poor vaccine uptake over recent years, herd immunity is compromised and thus we are seeing the return of whooping cough.

It isn't a 'mild' illness at all is it? I feel so sorry for people who have contracted it recently. It sounds awful.

If I were pregnant I'd be getting that vaccine.

VivaLeBeaver Sun 30-Sep-12 09:41:59

I think the immunity either natural or from a vaccine wears off after a number of years. I think I was about 8 years inbetween bouts.

I just googled to make sure 2nd dr wasn't wrong and google says you can get it more than once.

Goldmandra Sun 30-Sep-12 09:36:36

Oh Viva surely not shock

I know there are worse things to be diagnosed with but once in a lifetime is definitely enough for me!

I was told that my blood test showed exceptionally high levels of what I assume are antibodies (is that what they test for?) so I can only hope my immune system will be well primed for future infections.

If it's normal to catch it more than once wouldn't that prevent vaccinations from working?

VivaLeBeaver Sun 30-Sep-12 09:01:23

Goldmandra - I hate to break it to you but you can have whooping cough twice. At least I've been diagnosed with it twice, years apart. Wasn't as ill the 2nd time as the 1st but still bad.

Sidge Sun 30-Sep-12 08:57:23

Pacific I left work at 1800 Friday and we still hadn't heard anything regarding vaccine supplies, who to vaccinate or when (I'm a practice nurse)

I find it so frustrating that the public are informed via the media about getting vaccinated yet those of us that will be giving the vaccines are told nothing angry

Sarah how are you feeling now?

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