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AIBU to think that there may be many women who will not get the whooping cough vaccine?

(59 Posts)
CrapBag Fri 28-Sep-12 22:31:12

Just seen the news about there being a vaccine for pregnant women.

Also been reading some of the other thread and find there are people who don't want to vaccinate their children.

This is a new vaccine so I am thinking that women will be reluctant to get it when they are pregnant. I myself wasn't sure about the swine flu one but I did get it when I was pregnant with DD.

I hope women do the sensible thing. Seeing that baby was heartbreaking and in the South West alone cases have risen to well over 800 this year. sad

ElaineBenes Sat 29-Sep-12 14:00:37

Long tall josie

I'd get it and make sure everyone in my hiusehold has it so that you can create a cocoon of safety around the newborn.

ohtowinthelottery Sat 29-Sep-12 17:45:01

oddgoldboots DH has recently had Whooping cough. We don't know if he was vaccinated as a child because we are not sure if the vaccine was around then (he is 50). Our DD has a condition which means she is extremely vulnerable to infection and DH works with adults who are vulnerable too. By the time DH had his diagnosis confirmed by the GP he was already past the infectious stage. Thankfully, noone that DH has been in contact with appears to have caught it (including me - and I have closest contact!) - and they would have been showing symptoms by now.
It took nearly 3 weeks after seeing the GP for blood test results to come through and confirm the diagnosis.
No-one in DH's immediate circle was offered either a vaccination or the appropriate antibiotics although we did alert everyone who was vulnerable and they were told to have a very low tolerance level for seeing their GP over any cough and get treatment immediately.

MummytoKatie Sat 29-Sep-12 18:33:18

I guess I will be offered it as I've just found out I'm pregnant. I was also pregnant during the swine flu scare.

I decided against the swine flu vaccine (various reasons mainly that I wasn't convinced of the safety of the vaccine as it was so new, it seemed that the vaccine was more to protect me than dd and I would prefer to take risks with me than her, the midwife didn't seem convinced it was a good idea (she kept telling me it was my decision and she couldn't advise but she advised about a lot of ither
Stuffbtht was also technicallymy decision) and (the real clincher) the day my letter was sent out there was major snowfall in the city I lived in and the combination of the snow and Xmas meant the letter took a month to get to me. On the day it arrived the main news headline was "swine flu threat over").

However, I plan to get the whooping cough one.

Goldmandra Sat 29-Sep-12 18:46:32

Congratulations MummyToKatie! thanks

CrapBag Sat 29-Sep-12 19:35:46

Congratulations MummytoKatie.

I'm really glad to hear that so many people would have it and I am also surprised at some many people having experiences of it. I have never known anyone to have it but maybe its my age range.

I think showing that video of that poor baby to any pregnant woman would be enough to get them to have it anyway. I can't get it out of my head. sad

Ok, I was at work today and had a look at the email we got from Public Health. At 2.16pm. After it had been all over the breakfast news hmm...

Anyhoo, it just confirms that the vaccine is to be offered to all pregnant women between 28 and 38 weeks. The purpose is to allow for maternal antibodies to develop in time for the neonate to benefit from them until they get vaccinated themselves at 2 months of age.
No guidance on who is to vaccinate, where additional vaccine stocks are to come from, where vaccination will take place, who (if any) additional funding will be available to do all this. hmm again.

I don't know about private vaccination. The vaccine affords about 85-90% protection and, like having the actual illness, does not afford life long protection. Although having been vaccinated once is likely to make the illness less severe if caught later on.

More advice about whooping cough here.

I had whooping cough from about 20 weeks pregnant with DS2 and coughed som much that to this day my dad swears that I shoogled him loose grin (he was delivered at 31 weeks due to placenta praevia). I still shudder at the memory - it was horrible. And did horrible things to my poor pelvic floor blush.
Stratters, I hope your DD gets better quicker. I read your initial threads about her, but had nothing to add x.

SarahStratton Sat 29-Sep-12 22:07:58

Thank you Pacific. I've been reading the news about the whooping cough epidemic as it's unfolded, and been horrified. It's such a horrid disease, and my pelvic floor has not stood up to the test either. Not at all. sad

LadyKooKoo Sat 29-Sep-12 22:25:52

Congratulations MummytoKatie. The flu jab now includes protection against swine flu and is not just a swine flu jab. I had flu whilst pregnant and it was horrendous, I would urge you to reconsider this time round.

LimeLeafLizard Sat 29-Sep-12 22:35:00

Thanks for this thread, and especially to Pacific for the information. I had vaguely noticed this in the news but this has answered many of my questions.

I am 21 weeks and will be asking for the vaccine when I reach 28 weeks if still relevant then, though I had it myself as a little child in the late 70s (I think).

Sarah how are you feeling now?

Sidge Sun 30-Sep-12 08:57:23

Pacific I left work at 1800 Friday and we still hadn't heard anything regarding vaccine supplies, who to vaccinate or when (I'm a practice nurse)

I find it so frustrating that the public are informed via the media about getting vaccinated yet those of us that will be giving the vaccines are told nothing angry

VivaLeBeaver Sun 30-Sep-12 09:01:23

Goldmandra - I hate to break it to you but you can have whooping cough twice. At least I've been diagnosed with it twice, years apart. Wasn't as ill the 2nd time as the 1st but still bad.

Goldmandra Sun 30-Sep-12 09:36:36

Oh Viva surely not shock

I know there are worse things to be diagnosed with but once in a lifetime is definitely enough for me!

I was told that my blood test showed exceptionally high levels of what I assume are antibodies (is that what they test for?) so I can only hope my immune system will be well primed for future infections.

If it's normal to catch it more than once wouldn't that prevent vaccinations from working?

VivaLeBeaver Sun 30-Sep-12 09:41:59

I think the immunity either natural or from a vaccine wears off after a number of years. I think I was about 8 years inbetween bouts.

I just googled to make sure 2nd dr wasn't wrong and google says you can get it more than once.

alistron1 Sun 30-Sep-12 09:48:28

AFAIK immunity conferred by the vaccine does wear off as we/kids get older and indeed if you actually contract whooping cough. However 10+ years ago this wasn't a problem because of herd immunity. Now, because of poor vaccine uptake over recent years, herd immunity is compromised and thus we are seeing the return of whooping cough.

It isn't a 'mild' illness at all is it? I feel so sorry for people who have contracted it recently. It sounds awful.

If I were pregnant I'd be getting that vaccine.

Goldmandra Sun 30-Sep-12 10:01:10

It's a shame that we have the technology to prevent people from catching these diseases but misinformation leads enough people to refuse vaccination that we end up with epidemics.

I don't suppose this vaccination programme will be enough to protect many people apart from babies. If I ran a large firm I think I'd be buying the vaccine in for my employees. You could lose a lot through sickness if it went round an office.

firstaider Mon 01-Oct-12 08:21:33

I have just written an article explaining what whooping cough is and how to recognise it http://www.firstaidforlife.org.uk/blog/ this may be helpful to understand what a nasty bug it is.

The vaccine is tried and tested and 9 new born babies have died from Whooping Cough this year.

meditrina Mon 01-Oct-12 08:31:33

Does anyone know if there is consideration for a catch up programme for all adults who were not vaccinated with the old vaccine in the 70/80s? Surly this would be a good step to reduce the level of the disease circulating in the community?

CailinDana Mon 01-Oct-12 08:34:31

I haven't heard anything about this and I'm not seeing the MW again for another month (I'm 20 weeks). Do you reckon I should contact her about it?

DinosaursOnASpaceship Mon 01-Oct-12 08:46:01

I think I will have the vaccine (22 weeks pregnant) mainly because I was chatting yesterday to a relative who works for an nhs trust who was telling me that whopping cough had reached pandemic levels and that the number of young babies and children that were being bought in with it was rising. We are also getting ds3 vaccinated - we were holding off on his 12 month jabs as we wanted his immune system to develope a bit more etc - he was going to have them seperately at 18 months (he's 15 months now) but am making him an appointment at the GP today to get them done.

If you are currently pregnant it is my understanding that there is little point in getting the vaccine early ie before 28 weeks because the main purpose is to pass on antibodies to the newborn. You will of course also have protection from it.

Re children's immune systems: there is no doubt that v young babies' immune systems are immature and different to ours. Deciding at what age to offer which vaccine is always a weighing of risk vs benefit. That is why some vaccinations are offered younger than others.

Whoever said upthread that we (as a population) have forgotten how devestating some of the infectious illnesses were in the past, was spot on: I have been a GP for 20 years, I have never seen a case of measles for instance (and I am quite happy to keep it that way). However, in recent years there have been measles outbreaks again and deaths (in Ireland iirc, and Soutwest of England, were the vaccination uptake rates have been the lowest).

And that's 'just' measles. Polio, anyone??

Oh sorry, and no plans of a catch-up AFAIK (but then again I did not know anything about this on Friday morning...).

Trazzletoes Mon 01-Oct-12 09:18:22

I'm not pregnant but had whooping cough a few years ago. It was officially undisguised as I couldn't cough in front of the Dr, but I was whooping, coughing myself sick and it lasted for months. If I were pregnant I would most definitely be getting the vaccine.

Sidge Mon 01-Oct-12 09:21:57

Dinosaurs your son won't be receiving pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine at 12-18 months, he'll be due his Hib/Men C booster, pneumococcal booster and first MMR. All still worth getting IMO but just wanted to say in case you hadn't realised he wouldn't be getting a WC booster.

Pacific I nursed a 15 year old girl when I was a student nurse who had measles encephalitis - she was profoundly brain damaged sad - it has stayed with me since (so 20 years ago now) and was a factor in making my decision to give my daughters their MMR.

ArthurPewty Mon 01-Oct-12 20:42:55

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