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Protecting a 3 week old from whooping cough

(73 Posts)
stargirl1701 Fri 28-Sep-12 12:27:03

Baby is 3 weeks old so still 5 weeks till vaccination for WC. How do I protect her? What symptoms should I be looking out for? Panicky first time mum.

ElaineBenes Fri 28-Sep-12 14:52:48

Get yourself, your husband and anyone else in your household vaccinated.

CatherinaJTV Fri 28-Sep-12 16:57:08

what Elaine says

stargirl1701 Sat 29-Sep-12 00:35:42

Ok. Thank you. Will speak to HV on Mon.

I would talk to your friends with dc and don't let any child near your baby if they haven't been vaccinated or are unwell. Whooping cough starts with minor cold like symptoms - any child who has got 'a little bit of a cold' should be kept away. I think dd1 had whooping cough in the spring. We went to see my baby niece when she was right at the beginning of it. She'd been a little unwell, seemed better, had a bit of a cough. It wasn't till a month later when she was still having really awful bouts of coughing that I clicked. Fortunately my niece escaped unscathed.

ArthurPewty Mon 01-Oct-12 10:25:09

stay home and out of coffee shops until baby is older and stronger.

Mine are not vaccinated, not even one single jab, but i stayed home for the early months, apart from the school run i didnt have people holding the baby or visiting for long periods or getting in our faces, and they are healthy as anything.

Use some sense, dont do what an acquaintance of mine did and have baby being passed around at 1 week old, 4 weeks prem, in Starbucks and then get all pissed off cos her baby had whooping cough at 5 weeks old. DUH.

ElaineBenes Mon 01-Oct-12 18:31:37

I think you might find, Leonie, that unless you have very small children, the probability of contracting whooping cough today is far greater than when your children were babies. Catherina just blogged about it justthevax.blogspot.com/

ArthurPewty Mon 01-Oct-12 18:57:38

Sorry Elaine, but Catherina has an agenda which i do not subscribe to.

My youngest is 4. Not exactly pushing the zimmer frame yet.

Leonie - you need to watch your dcs really carefully atm. There are A LOT of whopping cough cases about and parental awareness isn't great. As I've said lower down I think dd1 has had this earlier this year and I didn't put things together for some time to realise.

ElaineBenes Mon 01-Oct-12 19:08:42

Well, since you think Catherina has an agenda, here are the figures from the HPA.

322 reported cases of pertussis in 2008 when your little one was born.
1781 reported cases in 2012, to date (still 3 months to go as well).

Your confidence is misplaced and the risk today is greater. Unfortunately for your children, herd immunity isn't as strong as it used to be so they are at much greater risk especially if you have an older child as well. Like Northerner said, you're going to have to be very careful. .

ArthurPewty Mon 01-Oct-12 19:25:23

Northern - pretty sure DD1 (9) had it before school was out in july. She coughed for a month and a half.

I am not overly concerned. Neither of them are infants.

ArthurPewty Mon 01-Oct-12 19:27:27

My confidence is NOT misplaced, and the arrogance with which you say that is shocking.

I have faith in my childrens' bodies to do what they were designed to do. I have faith in what we put in them, and more to the point, what we DONT put in them (antifreeze, mercury, aluminium, etc). I have faith in their immune systems - their skin, their noses, their fabulous antibodies, to do what they were designed to do.

I am happy for them to be unvaccinated and i do not live my life in fear of "omg what might they catch?!?" like some people on MN.

ElaineBenes Mon 01-Oct-12 19:29:34

Yes, I know your views are faith based rather than factual.

ArthurPewty Mon 01-Oct-12 19:29:53

More to the point, you guys know that b. parapertussis is causing more and more whooping cough, an is NOT covered by the vaccine, right? You understand that, yes?

Running out snatching up vaccines won't necessarily protect people from whooping cough. WC can be caused by at least TWO distincty different organisms - sometimes at the same time, sometimes on their own separately.

Bordetella pertussis and bordetella parapertussis, which are separate and NOT both covered by the vaccine.

Fearmongering wont help here.

ArthurPewty Mon 01-Oct-12 19:30:35

Elaine: and so that makes my views.. what. Not good enough? Silly? Ignorant? Not scientific?

Get over yourself.

ElaineBenes Mon 01-Oct-12 19:34:27

Yes, yes and umm, yes.

headfairy Mon 01-Oct-12 19:38:46

I've done a few stories on this at work recently, and Whooping cough is indeed on the rise again. The vaccine's effectiveness wanes over 20 years. I personally would be investigating the vaccine, even if it only protects you against some forms of WC, that's one less strain you have to worry about.

I agree I'd be keeping the baby at home and away from prolonged contact with strangers/people outside immediate family until she's had her first vaccinations.

ArthurPewty Mon 01-Oct-12 19:39:02

And exactly who are you?

Soooo glad that it doesnt actually matter to me what you think or how much Leonie-bashing you do on MN - you wont scare me into having my kids pumped full of toxins, full stop.

Unless of course you'll come round and help with the 24 hour care they'll both need as their autism worsens and it goes disasterously wrong, as it is likely to do because of our family history? Cos if i can chalk up a guarantee of you and Catherina that you'll help with the fallout of sacrificing my children to the invisible "greater good", then i'll be happy to do it.

ElaineBenes Mon 01-Oct-12 19:58:15

Not a scrap of evidence that that is what's going to happen to them. None at all.

Headfairy, have you looked at this at all in terms of older children? Dd is in secondary school and has asthma so we are going to talk to the nurse when dd has her flu jab.

ArthurPewty Mon 01-Oct-12 20:06:27

Elaine: prove it. I've seen PLENTY of evidence to the contrary.

ElaineBenes Mon 01-Oct-12 20:29:13

really? scientific evidence? please share.

headfairy Mon 01-Oct-12 20:37:50

OYBBK, I think as far as I could tell the main concern was for babies under the age of 8 weeks, ie before they are usually vaccinated, as 9 babies under the age of 8 weeks have died from WC this year. I think if you have been vaccinated within the past 20 years you are still covered to some extent, but the effectiveness of the vaccine wanes after about 20 years, so the problem appears to be adults getting it and passing it on to babies when they are very vulnerable. At least that's how I understand it...

Link to BBC health corr's page about WC

Leonie I'm not going to enter a debate about vaccines, it's up to each parent to decide what they do.

ArthurPewty Mon 01-Oct-12 20:41:17

"it's up to each parent to decide what they do."

Damn right it is. Browbeating people for different choices than the ones you'd make is childish and wrong. Until it actually becomes illegal (and we'll move country first), then step off.

Thanks headfairy smile

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