11hh pony or forever type 14hh for 6 year old child? help

(58 Posts)
anydreamwilldo Sun 02-Mar-14 09:06:40

Have to make a decision, both lovely ponies. The little one she will love but fear she will outgrow it and be heart-broken when he has to move on. Don't want to over-horse her with the cob, but we could keep him forever ........ don't know what to do. Any ideas welcome, probably lots of things I haven't thought of? Thanks

MrsTomHardy Sun 02-Mar-14 09:08:12

I would go for the cob smile

Lovesswimming Sun 02-Mar-14 09:49:25

I would for the 11h you'll be able to do much more much earlier and if you go to any little shows you won't be allowed to do the classes on anything over 12.2h in her age group (up to about aged 8/9 I think)
Also you never know what will happen. If you go for the 14hh you can't guarantee he won't go lame, be ill etc where you wouldn't be able to keep him. Your daughter at some point will have to part with a horse. My daughters 1st pony ended up with suspensory ligament problems after 2 years trying to sort it we re homed her. My daughter cried but knew it was for the best, was fine quite quickly and we have kept in touch over Facebook. I suppose what I'm saying is that by going for the 14h horse you are not guaranteeing that you won't have to part with a horse.

Floralnomad Sun 02-Mar-14 11:22:10

You could just keep the little one when you outgrow it ,if necessary get a sharer or loan it out , as a family we have never sold a horse / pony on , that said I've never loaned or shared either . We still have our Dartmoor pony (11.1) that my son had when he was 6 , they're both 21 now !

JokersGiggle Sun 02-Mar-14 12:07:54

Cob! My.parents did that for me when I was 8 (even though I was very short.....still am lol)
I've still got him ! He's ancient but can't part with him. I think having a small pony that one day the child still have to part with, even of it is just to loan will be very sad for her x

JokersGiggle Sun 02-Mar-14 12:11:30

With the cob your giving her a friend for life smile rather than just a few years

marialuisa Sun 02-Mar-14 13:08:48

Am amazed at those saying go for the cob. I'd be concerned about whether your DD will be able to improve and progress as any 14hh cob that's steady enough for a 6 year old to ride is unlikely to be the sort of ride a confident 13 year old will want.

Muddiboots Sun 02-Mar-14 13:14:10

def the little one, overhorsing a small child is the quickest way to put them off.
Just logistically it hurts a lot less falling off an 11h pony than a 14h cob, let alone if said pony accidenally treads on you.
The 11h one she can groom, tack up (wouldnt be able to lift saddle onto 14h!) bath , lead about etc
If you want to do any pony club stuff, at tat age she will be a fish out of water on a bigger pony.
Think about a lifetime pony at the next change up smile

marialuisa Sun 02-Mar-14 13:14:47

Would also add that whilst parting with ponies is horrible your DD will see most of her friends going through the same thing. My DD is 13 and has been through it twice, it may sound hard but in many ways it's actually been a really good life lesson for her and helped her mature. My first pony died unexpectedly when I was 8 and that was much harder than when my second pony was sold as outgrown when I was 12. I knew dpony2 was off to have fun with someone else.

Muddiboots Sun 02-Mar-14 13:15:43

oh and my son took up mounted games and was still riding his 11h pony at 12!

Butkin Sun 02-Mar-14 13:36:52

Ditto what Marialuisa has said. I can't believe people are saying it is a good idea for a 6yo, presumably quite inexperienced, to learn on a 14 hand cob. We've just bought our 11yo daughter a new 13 hand pony and we wouldn't overface her with a 14 hander (although she has recently sat on one). How come the only other option is an 11 hander though? That does seem small - even littler than our Sec A lead rein. How come you're not looking at ponies around the 12 hand size for her?

OuterFromOutersville Sun 02-Mar-14 13:43:53

I'm also amazed at people saying to go for a 14hh cob for a 6 year old child shock!

Little one definitely. Then she can actually ride it instead of just sitting there.

anydreamwilldo Sun 02-Mar-14 14:39:13

Thank you all so much, think the 11hh makes sense (it could be me that
secretly wants the cob!)
Another question if you don't mind-how much would you pay for pretty 11hh section A ,10 years old but been left in the field a whole year. I know she will need a lot of work.?

Muddiboots Sun 02-Mar-14 15:04:33

well i wouldnt pay anthing for her tbh, pretty little section a ponies can actually be the devil incarnate!
Would be looking for something in regular work, regularly out doing things (pony club/showing whatever)
Would want to see it ridden in all sorts of circumstances by vendor before even considering it for my little one.
Sorry, not teaching you to suck eggs but if this is your first horse purchase you may not know quite how dodgy the whole horse buying lark can be smile

Littlebigbum Sun 02-Mar-14 15:24:49

Ok for my 8 th bday I was given 15-2 tb which I loved broke and did loads of stuff on.... For my 15th bday I got a 12-2 rig which I love to bits and could do everything on.
So look for both and see what you can find. Because it is not the size of the pony, it is the pony.... and good luck

anydreamwilldo Sun 02-Mar-14 15:41:54

I am new to this, and it is indeed way dodgier than I thought, so may hold on a while. Thanks folks!

Butkin Sun 02-Mar-14 17:28:17

Have a look on sites like Horsequest to see how much little ponies are worth. We're selling our 14yo 11.1 Section A gelding at Easter. He's done everything including Showing (won at County Level on Lead and also won first Riddens/Concours), Pony Club, pleasure rides, mounted games and been hunting on the lead. We'll offer him for 1,000 pounds so you'd need to compare your little pony against this. Yours probably worth between 300-500 pounds if unridden for a year unless it has previous good experience. For a 6yo child going forward you probably need about a 12 hander maybe up to 12.2.

ChoudeBruxelles Sun 02-Mar-14 17:31:04

I wouldn't consider 14hh a forever horse. I was riding around 15hh at about 12/13 as I was tall.

anydreamwilldo Sun 02-Mar-14 17:46:00

Thanks Butkin-She is for sale for £250 because she's been out of work, before that she was ridden by young child, can pop a pole has quite good breeding.
What will I need to do to get her going again once settled?

5OBalesofHay Sun 02-Mar-14 19:39:30

If you are inexperienced I wouldn't buy that one, id spend more (or try for a loan) but go for a 12.2 schoolmaster.

Booboostoo Mon 03-Mar-14 09:14:04

If you want a pony for a 6 year old you just have to resign yourself to changing ponies as she outgrows them. The best plan is to find a family (though the PC?) whose children are 2-3 years older than yours and loan their outgrown ponies. Good ponies get loaned on through word of mouth and are worth their weight in gold.

A 14hh pony risks shattering you child's confidence. Her legs probably wouldn't clear the saddle flaps, she'd have trouble finding her balance with the bounciness of the bigger trot and it's a long way to fall.

Butkin Mon 03-Mar-14 16:19:48

What do you plan to do with the little one if you bought it? Would you have it on the lead or off? Did you see it ridden before it was turned away? How old is it? What was it doing for the previous owners? Breeding in small ponies is irrelevant unless you want to breed from her yourself so don't get caught into that red herring. Has she bred any foals for previous owners?

How experienced is your daughter. What has she been riding so far and what sort of ponies has she liked riding? How confident is she and what are her riding ambitions in the short to medium term?

Sorry to ask lots of questions but just trying to build a picture.

BethGoLightly Mon 03-Mar-14 16:39:47

I would go for the smaller pony that your 6 year old can lead and groom more safely than a 14 hh cob. The cob will be quite strong so what happens if he tanks off with your child. My DD outgrew her 11.2 hh welsh pony at 11, but he had quite a long stride, not a short one, iyswim. You can always find a home for a small pony when your DD outgrows it and by that stage she is looking onwards and will be excited about the next pony. I really think you will over horse her with a 14 hh cob.

BethGoLightly Mon 03-Mar-14 16:45:33

We sold our 11 year Section A Welsh for £1200 with tack etc but he was virtually guaranteed as had been in our pony club since 4 yrs regularly changing hands.

britnay Mon 03-Mar-14 17:19:20

Have you tried contacting your local pony club? That's the best place to start looking for ponies.
OP, do you have much experience with horses yourself? How long has your daughter been having riding lessons for?

anydreamwilldo Mon 03-Mar-14 18:35:14

DGD currently rides ponies between 11hh and 13hh, she's off lead rein and starting to canter and jump little poles. She also hacks out on a very safe plod with other children and adults.
Her favourite pony is an elderly 11hh with a very bouncy trot and sometimes a bit naughty.
If we get the little one the older girls at stables will ride her for a while, DGD may have to go on lead rein for while. We will mostly hack and play in the field, no pony club or shows for us. Think she just wants a pony friend. DGD can tack up and poo pick etc

anydreamwilldo Mon 03-Mar-14 18:41:45

Oh pony is 10 years old had a foal when she was very young. I have not owned a horse before, loaned many years ago. Now I fill haynets and walk miles across the welsh countryside while GD rides. I have jumped on a pony for a little ride but did I ache later!

Booboostoo Mon 03-Mar-14 20:27:24

I think you need an elderly pony ready for a quieter life. Everyone moving from RC to their first horse needs to take a step back. The pony will know its job, your DD will have fun and her confidence will build up. In 2-3 years you can think about getting something more forward going for more advanced riding.

5OBalesofHay Mon 03-Mar-14 22:01:41

An experienced child's pony is certainly a joy. That's the pony who made my gd a confident rider. Then a period of riding difficult, young, challenging ones made her the capable rider she is now at nearly 15. (Plus really regular lessons, with a great instructor, loads of pony club etc)

If you can get hold of a lovely schoolmaster they are worth their weight in gold.

anydreamwilldo Tue 04-Mar-14 07:40:04

Thank you all so much for advice, definitely not getting the cob, taking an experienced friend and her daughter (to ride) to look at the little pony again. Realise now how much DGD riding needs may change over the years.
May also look at some loans but not many available around here.

bishboschone Tue 04-Mar-14 07:47:32

I got my 14.2 pony when I was 10 . I was super short but I loved it . I too kept her until she died at 37!!!!!!!

Butkin Tue 04-Mar-14 10:08:33

At the level she's at I'd suggest she'll outgrown the little one quite quickly - especially if she takes most of this year to re-establish. I think you should keep looking for an older 12 hand type she can ride for the next 3 or 4 years.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 04-Mar-14 10:55:57

Dear GOD! Please don't buy a 6yo a fricking 14hh COB! Thats got to be the insanest thing I've heard in years!
Even the steadiest school master will be far and away too big and will soon learn to take the piss. How will she get its head up if it decides to stop and eat? How will she stop it if it sods off? She will be far too small to cope with its paces and will be bounced about all over the place.
What if it decided to be an idiot and knock her over? or stand on her foot?
The mind boggles!
DD at 6 was an average sized kid and her sec A was a git. Even at 11.2 she was too much. DD is 15 now and an average skinny 5'2, she can still ride the old mare at a push and her current pony is a 12.3 new forest. No, they will never look good in a show ring, but they're more than happy to hack about, jump stuff and generally have teenage fun.

Booboostoo Tue 04-Mar-14 11:47:30

When it comes to outgrowing you only have two options:
- buy what is suitable now (size and temperament) and accept it may well be outgrown in 1, 2 or 3 years' time
- buy something that is suitable for later but risk shatering your DD's confidence now. The risk is also that your DD will be seriously hurt if she fails to have this pony under control.

If you are buying for a child or someone who has competitive ambitions or someone who is very novicey and is likely to progress a lot you have no option but to bite the bullet and accept that the horse will be outgrown in a few years. Better than the alternative though!

bishboschone Tue 04-Mar-14 11:55:29

Saggy is right though , my lnot was a thoroughbred type. I never did cobs but yeah how will she hold it ?

MsBehave Tue 04-Mar-14 14:51:13

Personally, I would be looking around for a 12.2hh all rounder who's been there and done it but isn't a total plod.

At her age, with the best will in the world and the kindest cob on the earth, she will not be able to handle something of that size. She will be restricted on what she can do and feels capable of doing on a mount that size and she will need so much help with handling which is invaluable where bonding is concerned between horse and rider.

I would also strongly suspect that it may break her confidence if an animal of that size in comparison to her decides to act up even a little bit and as somebody else said, it's much easier to fall from a 12hh pony than a 14hh cob and besides that, her little legs will be stretched over a barrel with a cob which means any leg aids would be utterly useless. Even if the cob doesn't take advantage of her, it won't do her confidence any favours for her to feel her aids are being 'ignored'.
Much better in many ways to go for a 12hh - 13hh (maximum) pony that she can enjoy and have fun on for a few years, build her confidence and for her to feel comfortable and secure in the saddle.

I never outgrew the 14.3hh I got at 12 and I still have her now so the second pony may well end up being her 'friend for life' horse.

Good luck.

anydreamwilldo Tue 04-Mar-14 19:20:24

Thanks again folks, I've been offered the cob on loan and I'm having him for me!My eldest daughter will also ride him, she is more experienced than me. Going to see a nice little New Forest 12hh and 14 years old described as "good all rounder" so we'll see..........

Littlebigbum Tue 04-Mar-14 21:11:27

Exciting good luck

Booboostoo Wed 05-Mar-14 07:14:19

Great, good luck with your new pony!

If I were you I would be looking for a "first ridden" for your younger DD. "All rounder" describes too advanced a pony for a rider that is only just getting to grips with canter. She needs a pony that understands how to look after its little rider.

fullerlonger Sat 08-Mar-14 13:53:02

My 7 year old rides a 14.2 but he's the kindest mannerliest pony on earth and she's very confident - she is supposed to share a 13.2 with her sister but since my oldest dd outgrew the 14.2 it seems that dd3 has gone straight onto him confused

NigellasDealer Sat 08-Mar-14 13:56:46

how much would you pay for pretty 11hh section A ,10 years old but been left in the field a whole year
right now, it would depend on what it had done.
if nothing, about a fiver.
if exp with pony club, lead rein, showing classes, good to catch, box clip shoe then about 300 quid.

NigellasDealer Sat 08-Mar-14 13:57:44

do not be put off by people asking or quoting silly prices.
people are giving away horses and ponies at the moment, even in the south east.

NigellasDealer Sat 08-Mar-14 14:01:10

whatever they ask, offer half, I bet they will take it.

fullerlonger Sat 08-Mar-14 14:58:09

Yes anything below 14hh is struggling to sell. I've lost count of the amount of people asking me to keep an eye out for a lovely 14.2 though.

NigellasDealer Sat 08-Mar-14 15:00:50

really fuller, someone just practically gave us a lovely 14.2 gypsy vanner, well it is a loan but for all intents and purposes....

thinkingaboutfostering Fri 14-Mar-14 14:25:42

Think this thread is very sad hmm. Makes my blood boil when people think it's ok to pass on ponies simply because they no longer want/have use for them. You wouldn't do it to a dog so why would you sell on your child's pony! confused
If you take on responsibility for an animal you should honour that responsibility for the rest of their days. Hate watching ponies who have taught children so many valuable lessons simply cast aside like an old toy. Poor poor animals. hmmconfused
Op if you can't keep your child's potential new pony for the rest of its days then please do not buy one!!!

fullerlonger Fri 14-Mar-14 14:51:23

Oh fgs. Ponies like to have a job to do.

tattychicken Fri 14-Mar-14 16:19:14

That's ridiculous Thinking. You'd end up collecting loads of ponies! If the pony is elderly or unsound then you've got a point but otherwise selling them on to a good home where they can help another child is a sensible thing to do.

Booboostoo Fri 14-Mar-14 17:18:00

How would anyone ever get an experienced pony or even horse under that idea thinking? Leaving a young pony in a field with nothing to do is far more cruel than giving it a loving new home. If you wish to retain control you can always loan the pony out and make sure you have it back if it is ever out of work or when it's elderly.

NigellasDealer Fri 14-Mar-14 17:20:47

thinking in a couple of years when dd goes away to college we will loan her to another loving home, another little girl to love her - what is wrong with that as long as the new home is carefully chosen!?

NigellasDealer Fri 14-Mar-14 17:21:08

ooop lol i meant loan the pony not dd grin

Mirage Fri 14-Mar-14 18:06:54

Thank goodness that people do loan their lovely old ponies out,otherwise we wouldn't have DD1's super pony.If Dpony is still fit and well when DD2 has outgrown her,there are a few people who'd love to loan her.She hates not being in work.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 14-Mar-14 23:08:37

Thinking thats the biggest load of old chuff ive ever heard! Ponies aren't dogs or cats. They are sadly outgrown in a couple of years but can live for 30! do you expect the outgrown pony to spend the best years of its life rotting in a field?
It's by far the best thing for the pony to find a new rider. Whether or not you loan or sell them, they get to keep working and enjoying themselves. I know several who have a waiting list of riders.
Much much better than just doing nothing and going to waste.

Butkin Mon 17-Mar-14 13:03:15

I agree with Saggy. We kept my cob until his dying day and I think horses will mostly be given proper homes for life.

However ponies are completely different. DD is 11 and we've already sold on 2 of her ponies and let one go on permanent loan. Children grow and ponies don't just want to stay in a field, unridden, for 20 years. Much better you pass them on to some loving family who will appreciate the experienced pony you are selling/loaning them.

Likewise we've bought DD a lovely 12.2 Show Pony from a family whose daughter had outgrown her. She'd been to HOYS with them and last year went to HOYS with us. How would we ever have got her according to your ideas?

Yeehaw Thu 20-Mar-14 11:26:03

We have a 14.2 that I am planning to keep forever - I have two more children waiting to ride him, he's 15 already, my youngest will be 13 when he's 20 so will probably just starting to come off him. If he is still fit and well I would loan him to a local pony club family for a couple of years but he will always come back to us. He's been such a joy and I owe him a very nice life :-)

Grumpy 13.2 will be outgrown in two or three years, he'll only be 14 and desperately needs working so we will almost certainly sell hiim (if we can hmm)

Incapinka Thu 20-Mar-14 15:04:57

I dread to think how many horses we would have if we didn't sell them on! As for them being like cats or dogs we would need a bigger house too if they were going to curl up on the sofa...! I am guessing thinking has never owned a horse...

Good luck with the cob and finding dd a pony. I agree with trying to find a nice older one that's about 12.2. As for section a's. I had 2 when i was little and they were evil little things. Best pony was a 13.2 my parents bought from a riding school and she was so grateful of a nice pony club home she never put a foot wrong... Keep us posted

Yeehaw Thu 20-Mar-14 20:49:58

We had a section a a few years ago. I'd never have another one hmm

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