We have milk!!!

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Just squidged the mares boobies & out came milk...

Foal in the morning you think?

Eeeeeeek excited!!

Littlebigbum Mon 20-May-13 21:13:06

oh exciting, good luck

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Mon 20-May-13 22:29:53

When's she due? How big is her bag? Has the foal turned, is her back up? Milk can be in for some time. Look for waxy drips rather than actual milk, and don't fiddle too much, you might waste colostrum. grin [exciting isn't it!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 21-May-13 10:26:23

Any news?

Her bag is massive today.

We have the waxy beads on the ends now, bag is massive. Don't know if the foals turned but her bums been all saggy for a few weeks.

She had some kind of gunkey gewey stuffon her lady area tonight, very warm & not quite herself . This morning she was open iyswim (pink bits showing rather than black) but wasn't like that this evening just a bit of gew.

Haven't fiddled with her udders tonight as she was cranky and didn't want us to touch them. But definatly little drip bits on the end & some milk (not loads) has dripped onto her legs.

We don't know when she's due as she was bought from a dealer & didn't even know she was in foal till feb. Vet guessed at may time tho.

Shameless place marking

Haha, contemplating doing a midnight stake out.... unfortunatly tis the ex's farm.... could be akward

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 21-May-13 21:18:14

Sounds very promising. What you need to do now is leave her alone as much as you can. Hard I know, but they will actually postpone labour until they feel totally safe and secure. Have a quiet peek in at her now and again, but don't turn the lights on every time and go in and disturb her. Does she have a water bucket? And if so, can you suspend it from a ring or something so it's off the floor? It's not unheard of for a mare to drop a foal into a bucket!!

She's out saggy so leaving her to it. Much safer than in a stable, she's in a small paddock that she's been in for a few months, no bucket but self filling trough which is half under the fencing so unlikely to drop it in there as she prefers the other end of the paddock. No lights, there is a flood light on the house but dickhead farmer usually gets home from the pub about midnight & shouldn't go off other than when he pulls in.

One of the ladies comes up about 5am and will call us if its arrived then. Would like to watch her foal...(plan was to park up & watch from the car with lights off.) but none of us fancy staying up all night & then having to do a full days work next day if she hasn't dropped it hahaha.

I'm so excited!!!! Haha

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 21-May-13 22:43:41

That's all good. The bucket thing is only if they are in I think. Your plan sounds great. She is actually likely to be far happier out than in. Just keep a weather eye out for the next day or two, its meant to be quite cold and wet.
It is really exciting! I've got 2 due any time from tomorrow, although the first mare I actually think will go longer, I don't think she took first time, so ill be waiting for the second mare, who is due around the 5th. There's not a lot you can do to help, unless you have them in with 24 hour CCTV or foaling alarms, so it's just let nature take its course and hope nothing goes wrong. I've not seen anything bad happen before, I've got everything crossed I don't now! confused

Yes, keeping everything crossed for both of us lol. Shall let you know if its there in the morning. Got a gut feeling it will be.... but hey what do I know haha

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 22-May-13 00:04:00

You never know! My last one turned up a month early!! Mare was in an unsuitable paddock with her companion! Id been at work all day, and drove over to check them. I had to drive past the paddock to park. When I saw this tiny foal in there, I screamed and nearly crashed the car! grin Cue a mad afterdark trailer dash, with me in the nose of the trailer holding the foal and mum trying her best to get over the breast bar to join us!! grin Flippin ponies!

Not here yet.... mare seems back to normal temprement wise... think foal might have turned tho... bellys very pointy & back & she's got hollow sides. Think she's going to keep us hanging on a bit longer. Numptys at the yard decided to go up at midnight & had their car lights on & called her over so suspect they put her off :-(

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 22-May-13 19:24:13

Gah! Flippin people! If the foal has turned, you may well see it kicking down below, the foal needs to be feet down, they kind of 'jump' out feet first! grin

Wish she'd just hurry up & have it now tbh... she's been waxed 3 days now, the longer she's waxed with no foal the more worried I'm getting iyswim.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 22-May-13 19:51:31

Any minute.... grin they really do wait until they feel safe. She will wait until there is nobody around, then...pop... you'll look round and it will be standing there like its always been there! grin

Yeah. Blooming horses aye wink

AStill no sign. How long would you leave them being waxed without calling a vet saggy? She had an injection Friday for feather mites & lice (you know that unlicenced one that contains the active stuff from wormers) getting concerned....

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 23-May-13 15:10:00

I think it can vary from mare to mare. My welsh didnt wax at all, a friends mare was dripping heavily for 3 weeks. I dont think there is anything much a vet could do, Ive not heard of horses being induced. The only issue that might arise is that if she runs with milk for several days, foal might need a dose of artificial colostrum. If its not here tomorrow, maybe ring the vet and ask for advice.

Bags pretty much gone tonight. Still waxed tho so she's obviously changed hermind about having it. Milks not running just a few drips on her legs.

Keeping her in tonight as its chucking it down & she's been stood by the gate all day desperate to be in.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 23-May-13 21:46:17

Each horse is different, they can be drippy below for anything from an hour or so, to a month, or not at all! confused you just need to sit tight! It's a right nightmare! grin one of ours a few years ago was checked by a highly professional horse breeder who reckoned she had weeks to go...she foaled that night! grin

LittleFeileFooFoo Fri 24-May-13 00:19:51

Oh the frustration! My friends mare did this to us, got us all excited, then nothing for a while longer. She did end up having the baby, he was huge! and is still a lovely horse these 10 years later.
It will happen!

LittleFeileFooFoo Fri 24-May-13 00:20:20

unless of course it has already happened! Let us know Chocolate!

Nope no sign of it yet damm her!

I expect she's waiting to have a drama, either Saturday night or Sunday night when vet's call out fees are at their most expensive...... Most of our animals always seem to develop terrible illnesses at the weekend!

Or bank holiday Monday when the fees are huuuuuge!

They're all in tonight so fairly confident she won't have it tonight.

Her bags gone right down, bums tightened up & wax has gone.... think she wanted to have it Tuesday but changed her mind for whatever reason

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 24-May-13 20:53:18

She was confirmed PG by the vet wasnt she IIRC? Its a right pain when they do this! confused

IIRC? Yeah vet kind of 'guessed' by looking at her & had a feel inside and 'thought' she could feel foals head internally. But at the time said she couldn't be 100% then a visit a month or so later seeing the size of her said she's glad she was right.

Not had any bloods or scans tho.

So strange she was showing all the signs Tuesday & now isn't.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 24-May-13 21:30:18

Different pasture? Lots of clover?
IIRC is if I remember correctly. smile

Nope, same pasture.... not much clover in there I don't think, she's been in a side paddock since she arrived in late november. Although she's been in for 24 hours because of the sodding weather so u guess that could have done it?

Judging by the pointy belly & everything else she can't really be anything but pregnant.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Fri 24-May-13 21:59:59

Hmm...
Maybe she was ready but the awful weather has put her off?
I know this might sound daft, but there is no chance that she might have foaled in the paddock and you missed it? No wee limp body hidden in the long grass? There is generally a decent amount of mess, but its possible...

Did have a look round this morning as was poo picking/ checking fencing & for ragwort. its a pretty exposed paddock - its along inbetween the barn, house & carpark with the other horses seperated by a hedge.

Personally I think she was distrubed Tuesday night (farmer came home around 11 from the pub & locked up, perfectly normal & she's used to that) then some numptys came & shone their car lights into thr paddock & called her over about midnight which I think put her off....

I follow Mark Tompkins' (racehorse trainer) blog and they also have a breeding operation. His have all foaled now but he was saying that the mares that were due when the weather was vv cold hung on for up to 14 days over their date, and he put that down to the weather. So it is entirely possible that she's keeping her legs crossed for some warmer weather. The Breeding board on Horse & Hound forum has lots of information/advice too.

You might well be right there... she's out today & the signs are all there again.

Only thing is foal has moved & is across the bottom of her belly again so she's no longer pointy but HUGE at the sides.

Well overnight Sunday into Bank Holiday Monday is likely to be vv expensive for a vet call so I'd fully expect a baby then!

Update - no foal yet

Pinkponiesrock Mon 27-May-13 20:30:59

Any baby action today? I think it must be like being an expectant dad, you are so involved but you don't know what is going on in the way you do when you are the mum!

Nada as yet. She's keeping us hanging on.

Quick update... still no foal

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Tue 28-May-13 19:39:46

She may well be hanging on for better weather. When I worked on a racing stud farm all the mares would go overdue in a cold spell but a few days of warm sunshine and bang!

Do you know exactly when she conceived (ie was she covered in hand or running with the stallion?)

We don't know her due date. She is fecking mahoosive though so she can't hang onto it much longer. She's been waxed for 9 days now, with a few sunny warm spells.

Just hope it doesn't get stuck being so huge & all that.

lurcherlover Tue 28-May-13 19:52:07

Have been lurking on this thread! Come on baby! Saggy, a question about colostrum. Is there only a limited amount in mares? When I'm pg I leak make colostrum from about 16 weeks, but the obstetrician told me there would be plenty for the baby as your body knows to keep making it until after you deliver. Does that not happen in horses?

That's a really good point, but seeing how the vets worry about it so much I'm guessing its not an unlimited amount they make.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 28-May-13 20:42:27

I'm not sure, but know of a couple of foals who needed supplementing.i suppose if the mare runs milk, her body thinks a foal is drinking it and eventually switches to proper milk.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Tue 28-May-13 20:57:27

We used to "weigh" the colostrum from our mares. If we got a good result we would milk some colostrum off he mare and freeze it for use if we had an orphan foal or a mare that had a poor colostrum reading.

lurcherlover Tue 28-May-13 21:04:32

I think in humans it's delivery of the placenta that triggers milk production? Interesting that that's not the case in horses.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 29-May-13 21:15:12

Any news? One of mine looks like she will go in the next few days! <<scared now>>

mrslaughan Wed 29-May-13 21:25:55

Where is this foal?

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 29-May-13 21:26:24

Did you all see the foaling on the programme about the Queen's horses on Sunday night? Bless the foal and his attempts to stand grin

I miss being with the little furry babies, that is until I remember they turn into bolshy little thugs at about 6 months old!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 29-May-13 21:41:03

I missed that! I've only seen one foal actually born! Natives are great at surprises! confused

I did see it! The legs on it!!! Lovely little thing. Then I remember I still have a half ferral welsh to deal with & go off the idea of youngsters haha.

No foal yet.

Good luck saggy, sure it'll go smoothly.

We're on day 10 of being waxed up.... she's staying in atm as she's begging at the gate desperate to get in every night.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 29-May-13 22:05:09

I worked on Thoroughbred studs for 2 years, I helped at about half a dozen foalings - everyone had to do a few night's "sitting up" duty per season as the regular foaling person had every Saturday off.

They're very proactive about foaling on TB studs - every mare foals in a stable, they have CCTV on them all night and are checked every 30 mins through the night. If you fall asleep/miss a foaling while you are on night duty it's a sackable offence!

<impatient>

Yeah I think alot of studs are like that.

I work on a hunt yard so foaling isn't something we come across.

WouldBeHarrietVane Wed 29-May-13 22:10:50

Delurking to say come on foal smile

Impatient doesn't cut it!!!! Bouncing on the spot & sleeing with mobile by my pillow! Farmer doing the midnight check - then I'll be up at 5 to check on her.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 29-May-13 22:21:47

I worked on a Sec A stud. They all foal out, and its very laid back. They are observed regularly, and the groom can tell just by looking who is going to drop next. Bizarrely enough, a lot of them foaled in daylight hours! confused I couldn't cope with the constant box watching. It just seems unnatural to me!

Yeah I agree they're better off foaling out. Unfortunatly girly doesn't seem very settled in her paddock & wants to be in, so kind of letting her make the choice, trust her to be a pain in the watsit!

Think my little wild section a went to a stud from the sales, but they couldn't tame her so muggins here ended up with the pretty little pony no one could get near. Funny enough she's actually a really sweet little mare now. Despite trying to.murder me on the way in from the field today.

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Wed 29-May-13 23:12:36

The TBs are worth too much money to let them foal unaided. I've known a small handful go in the day, but 99% foal at night in the stable. They get plenty of turnout, at least 6 hours a day and once the foals are about 4 months old, they all live out 24 hours a day until the autumn.

The TB studs are big operations, the first stud I worked on foaled about 100 mares per year and the second about 250, though they were divided up into different sections to prevent disease outbreaks. My part of the stud foaled about 40 that year.

Day 11 of being waxed - still no foal.

Any news?

WouldBeHarrietVane Fri 31-May-13 21:50:07

? smile hoping for foal pics!!

GoSuckEggs Fri 31-May-13 22:09:03

ohh exciting!

FrankellyMyDearIDontGiveADamn Sun 02-Jun-13 10:04:02

????

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 02-Jun-13 10:20:45

The suspense is killing me smile

We are like those arses friends that constantly tech when you are overdue saying 'any news?'

WouldBeHarrietVane Sun 02-Jun-13 10:20:57

Text not tech

mrslaughan Tue 04-Jun-13 17:23:40

Anything?

mrslaughan Tue 04-Jun-13 17:23:45

Anything?

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 04-Jun-13 17:24:55

We want foal
We want foal

grin

mrslaughan Tue 04-Jun-13 20:24:21

I am starting to get worried......

pandaptogether Mon 10-Jun-13 14:13:30

what happened? hope they were both ok

WouldBeHarrietVane Mon 10-Jun-13 20:30:31

sad

Hoping everything went okay.

&E:verything was fine, mum & foal are fine, shan't be posting anymore as got outed & things I've said have upset people xx

WouldBeHarrietVane Tue 11-Jun-13 19:21:36

Glad all ok choc!

Sorry about the outing, though sad

Shame.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Tue 11-Jun-13 21:33:02

Oh No! sad

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