Can I just go on about dd's pony as he's the first one we've ever bought and people don't seem to be very complimentary about him.

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TackedOff Tue 02-Apr-13 17:48:27

We've loaned for the past three years. I bought him from an old school friend of dds - she was a nervous rider and hadn't done much with him for the last couple of years, hunting and hacking and two pc senior camps (where he was very well behaved). When her parents asked us if we wanted to buy him we went to see hiim and really liked him - asking around afterwards people were definitely not particularly complimentary as he wasn't 'proven'.

Our ponies are at livery atm and the YO told us not to buy him that he 'wasn't good enough' for dd. DD is a good rider but hasn't really done much - never been to PC camp, only a few rallies as her old pony hated SJ and anything in the school really. We needed a pony that would live out, hack happily, hunt sensibly and be able to take part in PC rallies without disgracing himself.

First rally today and he was very good, dd enjoys riding him, he's very 'looky' but extremely cheerful and quite bouncy, but he listens to dd and did what he was told. He rushes his fences a bit but seems very willing and genuine. He's a welsh x - 14.2 - pretty head, big feet, needs to build up a bit of muscle but I think he is nice looking. He seems a nice chap.

Was very sad to see that the YO had trimmed his feet and - I was cross - chopped off his forelock which was very pretty. She (YO) really doesn't seem to like him and hadn't even told the yard assistant his name :-(

Dd and I seem to be the only ones who like him and I am wondering if I have missed something!

Floralnomad Tue 02-Apr-13 17:58:53

Who cares as long as you and your daughter love him and he does what she wants him to do ( and is safe ) . We had a very ugly X Irish draft , he came to us in a complete state and when his winter coat fell out he had a huge scar down the middle of his face . He was fabulous , was ploddy for my sister , did hunter trials with me and my mum could deal with him , which was more than could be said for my horse at the time ,who was a very flashy ex racehorse . It didnt bother us that when we took him places people stared at him because we knew that he was way better than most of their horses. Don't worry what other people think , and tell the yard owner to stop cutting his hair !

HeathRobinson Tue 02-Apr-13 18:02:15

Maybe the YO wanted to sell you a pony instead?

TackedOff Tue 02-Apr-13 18:34:24

Thanks. YO did keep saying that she'd find us something but that was 5 months ago and not a sniff!! I know it doesn't really matter what people think but I 'm not very confident and I want to get the best I could for Dd. Anyway she is back from the rally and all smiles and was so happy with him and he loaded and travelled perfectly so all good.

gailforce1 Tue 02-Apr-13 18:49:57

Why is the YO doing things to YOUR pony without your permission? I would be furious in your situation.
It sounds as though you have a good pony for you Dd. I believe it takes a minimum of 6 months for a child and pony to gel and become a combination - neither are machines! I am sure they will have great fun together which is all that matters.

Pixel Tue 02-Apr-13 19:02:27

For a start I'd be livid if someone chopped hair off my pony without asking me angry.
If you and your daughter are happy with him then everyone else can mind their own business, especially the YO as quite frankly you are paying her to look after him not criticise him. Sorry but this sort of thing annoys me, how dare she take the shine off your pleasure in getting your first 'own' pony? It certainly doesn't sound as if you've gone out and bought a disaster, he sounds rather lovely. Anyway, what do they mean by 'proven'? That he hasn't won loads of prizes I suppose. To me, if he's been hunting, hacking and to PC camps and behaved well then he's 'proven' in all the right places. It's not as if he's stood in a field all his life.
I hope you and your daughter have lots of fun with him smile.

skinnywitch Tue 02-Apr-13 19:06:56

Absolutely what Pixel says! he sounds wonderful - enjoy him!

Mirage Tue 02-Apr-13 20:05:11

He sounds great.Ignore those silly people.There are some people who always have something negative to say about other people's ponies-you could have a HOYS pony and they'd still find something to pick about.We have an instructor at PC who has a downer on dpony and always manages to make a comment about her,despite dpony not doing anything wrong.

They are probably jealous that you managed to buy such a good one.smile

mrslaughan Tue 02-Apr-13 21:14:56

When I took on my share, I had. Number of negative comments.... And Dmare does have her faults, but what I came to realize was that I knew what those faults were (she can be a stroppy cow in the ground - but not dangerous) and that she was exactly what I needed for where I am at the moment , for where I want to get too.
I love her, she has taught me so much already - and this is only the beginning!

DolomitesDonkey Tue 02-Apr-13 21:41:28

Trimmed his feet? Do you mean the feathers or the horn?

TackedOff Tue 02-Apr-13 21:53:56

Feathers.

I love what you said about 'proven' - wish I 'd said that - my dds friends mum said the same thing about him not being' proven' - yes they mean he hasn't won anything!

Luckily our paddock has dried out so we can bring the ponies home this weekend. We're doing a hunt ride and a xc rally next week so if he does those with no problems he will be 'proven' to me smile

Littlebigbum Tue 02-Apr-13 23:19:41

Jealous ??, or hoping to make a profit out of you ???
But if did good at the rally with a new rider, in a new yard, whow. Think Dd can say she has proven an un proved pony herself!!!!
He sounds wonderful and I would be cross about the mane and feathers. I would ask Yard assistant to keep a special eye on him, just because. I would like mine to not treated un-liked, at least the same.

He sounds fantastic, exactly the type of pony I want for dd. She does not enjoy rallys and competitions, just wants a happy hacker, a pony with which she could turn up at the stable-run camp, one that she can love and enjoy.

I would not be worried about one that was not 'proven' as in had not won anything. Who cares? He sounds fab!

Pictures please, I want to awwww properly smile

DolomitesDonkey Wed 03-Apr-13 06:32:51

People have always got an opinion. Some people don't like hairy cobs, lots of people do. I've been told before to sell my horse and buy a cob because I was "wasting" my horse. I told her it was my prerogative to buy a Ferrari and never take it out of third. wink Do what you like, or rather do what your daughter likes!

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 03-Apr-13 14:20:39

Why was she trimming his feet? As a welsh x he should keep all of his hair. Tell her to mind his own business.
If you like the pont, then what other people think is of absolutely no consequence. He sounds like a sweetie. Ignore the nay sayers and enjoy your pony.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Wed 03-Apr-13 14:24:48

I once met a girl at a show, her horse was roman nosed, ewe necked, sway backed, knock kneed and cow hocked. It looked exactly like a camel. Bus she absolutely adored it, and it did everything she asked of it.
This is my main hobby horse. Just because a pony doesnt look like black beauty and hasnt won at HOYS doesnt mean it isnt worthy.

CalamityKate Wed 03-Apr-13 14:24:49

He sounds lovely!!

willyoulistentome Wed 03-Apr-13 14:33:30

OMG I nearly swore when I read your yard owner had trimmed his feet - assuming you meant his FEET feet...then someone mentioned the feathers. Thank God for that.

Actually I would blow a gasket if the YO had done any trimming without my permission. What a bloody cheek.

A friend of mine moved a pony because of this - the yard pulled her ARAB's mane. Idiots!

He sounds great and a real confidence giver.

carabos Wed 03-Apr-13 22:56:10

There's always someone who will have something less than complimentary to say about your horse. Usually because you didn't bother to ask for their opinion before you bred it/bought it.

You need to have words with the YO about random hairdos and pedicures and ignore the rest.

Plomino Wed 03-Apr-13 23:17:16

He sounds great to me , just like my first pony !

FWIW , my first pony had very few fans at first , being ' too young ' , 'too dainty' 'too flighty ' 'too flashy ' oh yes and 'unproven'

We then spent the next 30 years 'proving' people wrong . She was my partner in crime and we had an absolute ball . My kids learned to ride on her , and I miss her to this day. If you like him, and your DD loves him, and he keeps her safe and does what you need him to , that's all you need to know . Opinions are great , but that's all they are . Doesn't mean they're right .

And I'd be having a conversation with your YO involving words and gestures too !

Mirage Thu 04-Apr-13 09:42:39

We were told by someone that dpony should be off loaded at the first opportunity,she wasn't pure bred,wasn't forward going enough [they'd never seen her hunting or cross country]grin,was too grumpy,wouldn't jump high enough,not competative enough,wouldn't stable so couldn't be kept spotless.It just went on and on.

She is a hairy,opinionated Welsh cross and safe as houses,once you know how to ride her,she'll do anything for you.Strangely enough,after a year,the above person said to me how lucky we were to own her and he'd always said what a good pony she was.shock

I hope you have a lot of fun and prove all those doubters wrong.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 04-Apr-13 11:19:13

Hows the new pony Mirage?

Mirage Thu 04-Apr-13 13:06:41

He's doing well,thankyou Saggy.We took him to the PC Bunny Hunt at the weekend,and he behaved perfectly [pics on profile].Afterwards his owners told me it was the first time he'd been out for nearly 2 years.shock I'm glad I didn't know that before we went.

We had a bit of an eventful hack on Tuesday,when he took fright at a tractor coming up behind him,and took off down the road at a gallop,dragging me along after him.I had to let go in the end and ended up with skinned knees and hands.He didn't go far though,and mercifully DD2 stayed on,despite being terrified.Luckily,they were both fine and we carried on with our hack as I didn't want him to get the idea he could go home.DD2 recovered her composure pretty fast,but we are going to have to do some serious traffic proofing.I'm thinking of building a pen next to the road and leaving him there for a week or so until he gets used to big vehicles.What do you think? It has got to be sorted as he can't go on like that,once he knows something won't hurt him,he is fine,he isn't a spooky sort in general.

We have his first PC rally tomorrow,it is also the first time he'll have been in an indoor school,fingers crossed it goes well.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 04-Apr-13 13:10:19

Sounds like a good idea. Do you have a friendly farmer who could lodge him for a few days? He sounds great and Im glad you finally found the one for you. x

TackedOff Thu 04-Apr-13 13:57:45

Dd1 is at the yard today - YO gave her a mini lesson (she shows at HOYS so is pretty knowledgeable I guess) and said he worked on a fab outline and would do a lovely dressage test airpunch grin

Callisto Thu 04-Apr-13 14:31:30

OMG, I haven't read beyond your stupid YO chopping his forelock off. I would have gone ballistic if someone had taken it on themselves to do that to any horse of mine. Unbelievable.

I agree that it sounds as if your YO had an agenda, or perhaps she likes to think she is the only expert around? Anyway, he sounds lovely. Ignore anyone who is critical. If he suits your DD that is all that matters.

Mirage - DD's lead rein sheltie lived in a paddock next to a yard where huge farm machinery came and went all day. He is absolutely bombproof in traffic now.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 04-Apr-13 14:35:29

I can understand taking off the entire mane and forelock if you were cobbing out your horse, but just the forelock?
And there is no way a YO ought to be doing this without your consent!

Pixel Thu 04-Apr-13 16:05:15

My mum owns half of dhorse and is desperate to hog him but she'd still never do it behind my back or else.

Floralnomad Thu 04-Apr-13 17:14:11

We hogged our Irish Draught X he looked very handsome ,but it is a decision that needs to be thought of very long term IYSWIM . Our Dartmoor has a lovely long mane and I think if I was the one doing the grooming I'd be sorely tempted but my sister just uses bucket loads of mane and tail spray .

CalamityKate Thu 04-Apr-13 18:04:03

I can't abide long, flowy manes. Even on horses it's meant to look nice on.

All horses should have manes neatly pulled to about 4-5 inches. Fact.

TackedOff Thu 04-Apr-13 18:50:56

I like manes and forelocks to be neatish. But she chopped it off really square, it looks silly!

You shouldn't pull some natives manes if you are planning to show them?

CalamityKate Thu 04-Apr-13 19:49:08

No I know you shouldn't. That's why I never got into showing; my fingers always itch to pull messy/long manes <grin>

CalamityKate Thu 04-Apr-13 19:51:30

I agree chopped off square forelocks look silly. They should be pulled like manes.

Chopping a forelock too blunt/short has the same effect as it does on humans; its unflattering and makes the wearer look surprised.

Pixel Thu 04-Apr-13 23:20:15

We had my mum's old horse on loan before he was ours and his owner always used to cut his forelock straight across. She called it his 'Beatle Cut' grin.

SaggyOldClothCatPuss Thu 04-Apr-13 23:23:26

If you are planning on showing as a native you need a 'natural' judiciously pulled mane and tail. And dont trim any feather.

lovebeansontoast Fri 05-Apr-13 08:09:03

That's good, but if he's good enough to show even at local level, don't let her trim him again. Welsh should not be trimmed like that and if she shows at HOYS she should(and probably does) know it!

He sounds like a fab pony to me, despite YO's best attempts at undermining your confidence and enthusiasm for him. Really pleased you've found such a nice one. smile

TackedOff Tue 09-Apr-13 07:37:30

Quick update : he was brilliant at the hunt ride, very fast and jumped everything much to dds delight grin well behaved too, he seems a good mix of chilled when you need him to be and forward going and willing when ridden - a friend said more like a horse than a pony?! His clip still needs to fall out but he's not shedding at all yet. He has very big feet and does look a bit like a camelgrin cross country rally tomorrow at a very demanding course so we'll see... Dd still anxious about sj as her old pony refused so often, but I think he'll be fine as he does that lovely ears pricked forward thing when he jumps in the school - sorry not a very technical description grin

He does poke his nose a bit and also stretches his neck out long and low when he's stopped working.

Mirage Tue 09-Apr-13 08:45:40

Oh well done! He sounds a real star and I'm sure he'll be just as good at SJ,he sounds so willing.Have fun at the cross country and let us know how it goes.Which course are you going to?

Thanks Callisto and Saggy,Brandy is now living permanently on my dads farm,along with dpony..There are tractors there,but not near enough their paddock for him to notice so I've asked if I can move him temporarily to a field next to the road.Dad is thinking about it and you can't push him otherwise he'll dig his heels in.grin..As he isn't charging me for the field or hay,I don't want to upset him.[I'm not a total freeloader as I am 'paying' by working on the farm,and we are in the throes of lambing,so very busy.]

He sounds fantasticd smile

Still hoping for a picture so I can drool (as we are a long way off buying a pony for dd)

TackedOff Wed 10-Apr-13 18:03:02

First day of xc rally and he was fab, put in a couple of stops but only one pony didn't, also Dd needed to keep her leg on more even though he was fast to the jumps. Feeling really happy about him as he is so chilled!

Vicky134 Sun 05-May-13 21:45:15

At the end of the day, he is your pony, not the yard owners or anyone elses. Your dd's safety and happiness is paramount, not the opinions of everybody else. If the YO is causing you a problem perhaps you could consider finding a different livery yard.

TackedOff Thu 09-May-13 13:44:29

Just a quick update - he's turned out to be a really lovely pony. We've had so many compliments now that I have become a bit blase :-D

He'll never make a show pony but he is very very safe, forward going, enthusiastic and did a fairly high level pony club xc rally with no issues - a couple of stops but we're working on it. He's put a couple of stops in SJ also but we are also working on this. We all love him, he couldn't be easier!

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