"Interesting&qu ot; sales technique

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superfluouscurves Fri 08-Mar-13 11:56:57
superfluouscurves Fri 08-Mar-13 12:01:11

Oops - that should have read mysogynistic "interesting""

Bonnefoi Fri 08-Mar-13 12:05:14

Lordy. shockJust boggling at the width of saddle that horse would need.

superfluouscurves Fri 08-Mar-13 12:24:46

and the feed bill ...

WillowKnicks Fri 08-Mar-13 12:45:47

We visited Kelly's Cobs last year to look at a pony & they had something similar then (think he was even bigger!) called Toffee...my dh's words were "imagine the state of the field with those hooves churning it!".

I rode a Belgian draft horse on holiday last year...she was HUGE!!

WillowKnicks Fri 08-Mar-13 12:48:20

We visited Kelly's Cobs last year to look at a pony & they had something similar then (think he was even bigger!) called Toffee...my dh's words were "imagine the state of the field with those hooves churning it!".

I rode a Belgian draft horse on holiday last year...she was HUGE!!

superfluouscurves Fri 08-Mar-13 12:55:20

Was it an Ardennais Willow?

I love those! They are meant to be quite gentle.

(I'm in Belgium as it happens.)

Might pm you about Kelly's Cobs if I may? Interested in buying a safe, weight-bearing, plod and they were going to be one of my port of calls. Ultra-cautious about buying from a dealer though.

Sperfluscurves can you me please about kellys cobs.

I can't write what id like too on here after the whole 'dealers' thread being pulled.

Callisto Fri 08-Mar-13 13:33:07

That is not a cob, its a bloody draught horse of some description. It's even got a brand. It must be an import. I wonder if the seller got it cheap on the continent (going for meat maybe?).

I must say that that spiel plus the fact he is trying to sell a draught horse as a riding cob would put me right off. It is hugely unprofessional and the seller sounds like he would be less than honest about the horses he sells.

Callisto Fri 08-Mar-13 13:42:56

Compare and contrast:
Dutch draft team
Belgian draft

WillowKnicks Fri 08-Mar-13 15:23:42

superfluscurves I can't remember if she was but apparently she was quite temperamental & would take off with a nervous rider...thankfully they didn't tell me that until I got off shock. Feel free to pm me about Kelly's Cobs...I didn't buy but did try out a pony for my daughter, so I would be really interested to hear any feedback from anyone else.

Calisto, yes you're right, they do import them in from the continent on a regular basis.

DolomitesDonkey Fri 08-Mar-13 15:49:00

Looks like a standard Belgian Ardennes draft to me. They're bred for meat often enough. Drive around rural Belgium and you'll see them with docked tails and working the farm.

A friend does dressage on hers. You need to hold on to your can because the earth moves! ;)

Fwiw, they don't churn up the mud because they've got big, wide dinner plates and if you don't shoe them ...

I had a massive genuine 17.2hh who shared a field with a couple of these big girls, they made her look like a spindly tb and she was full Hanoverian! wink

Pixel Fri 08-Mar-13 15:55:57

Never mind all that, I want a horse named Clarissa!

I wish the 20 stone girl at our yard had bought one of these instead of a TB X then I wouldn't have to avert my eyes so often, but yes, imagine buying tack! Do you think it would be a match even for a Wintec Wide? I've recently got one for dhorse and it's ridiculous how wide it looks up against a normal saddle, surely anything wider would be sort of flat confused.

Mmm yes musn't mention the D-word must we lest we say something true unflattering...

superfluouscurves Fri 08-Mar-13 16:10:59

willow thank you! Sorry, I don't have any info at all about Kellys Cobs but am seeking it ... wondering if they are worth a visit.

Glad you survived the ride on the Ardennes!

chocolatecakeystuff will do!

Dolomites agree it definitely looks like an Ardennes (would be easier to tell if it was a bit better groomed) and yes, still quite a few butchers selling horse-meat here

Pixel sorry to be really thick/slow on update but intrigued by 'D' word????

Is no-one going to say anything about the ex-wife comment then? That is putting me off already...

Pixel Fri 08-Mar-13 16:33:36

<whispers> Dealers. We've had a few threads pulled recently because people related their frustration at being sold unsuitable horses by a certain dealer with a terrible after-sales/returns policy.

That is a blooming draft not a cob - that would put me off these 'sellers' to start with
Either they don't know the breeding or are being deliberately vague so as to not put people off

The actual listing is ridiculous though and the horse is overweight so I wouldn't be bragging about the size of its arse

These horses are bought cheaply by dealers and are often just going for meat due to soundness problems
Then they bring them over here and sell them on

Quite often they haven't actual done much riding either but are sold as bombproof riding ponies due to temperament

However a draft horse is not ideal for a beginner as although lovely and kind , they can be stroppy buggers and totally aware of their own size and strength

superfluouscurves Fri 08-Mar-13 16:49:17

Pixel Of course! Duh! Sorry!!!! Must drink less red wine get to bed on time ...brain has gone to sleep today ...

A real nuisance if you genuinely want to find out about which are good, and which are not.

Agree Kormachameleon!!

Littlebigbum Fri 08-Mar-13 17:33:53

Went to the web site, omg she has 7 heavy horse ???? pls pm if any feed back

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Littlebigbum Fri 08-Mar-13 19:23:35

Good to know, love heavy horse.

Littlebigbum Fri 08-Mar-13 19:24:47

lol the only saddle I have that would fit is a racing saddle very old. I just think that is so funny

Pixel Fri 08-Mar-13 19:32:49

The ones thou shall not name are talking about changing their name so you won't be able to name them anyway grin.

Really to what? 'Just another dealer' ? Hehehe

Littlebigbum Fri 08-Mar-13 19:45:22

Twice the price dealer?

Lovesswimming Fri 08-Mar-13 20:08:08

heee heeeeee

Nobs r us

That is one GORGEOUS horse! I dont care about the advert. I couldnt afford it anyway, but WOW. just wow! I would give my eye teeth to own a horse like that! <<wistful>>
I adore heavies, I used to work with Suffolks. One day, Im going to own a heavy horse.

Pixel Fri 08-Mar-13 20:25:12

Ooh don't want to start mentioning names but I might have watched a video dated 6th March go to 3 mins if you can't stand to listen to rest.

Littlebigbum, I've got a pony pad with a handle, do you think that would do? I've got a dodgy hip, I think I'd have to ride it sidesaddle. It would be like that Thelwell cartoon with the old farmer playing cards on the horse's rump!

Pixel Fri 08-Mar-13 20:26:10

Saggy, I couldn't even afford its shoes grin.

A Barefoot Cheyenne would fit that.
I love the way the rider has long legs and the horse has loads of room for leg, but she still rides it with jumping length stirrups!
Truly, I am in love! sad

I wouldnt shoe it. grin

Pixel Fri 08-Mar-13 20:29:59

If I win the Euromillions tonight I'll buy it for you <generous>. It will be up to you to feed it though <not all that generous after all>.

Ill hold you to that! I dont care. Ill sell the kids to buy hay! grin

Pixel Fri 08-Mar-13 20:32:42


Pixel Fri 08-Mar-13 20:37:15

I'm having some sympathy with the girl's short stirrups. I never have mine short as I haven't jumped for years and I've spent all this time cultivating my deeper seat/longer stirrups etc. BUT this week I got on dhorse for the first time in months and first time I've tried to do anything using his new wider saddle and crikey! Am hoping it's because I'm not fit because he felt so incredibly wide I didn't seem to be able to do anything with my legs. I'm thinking I might have to shorten my stirrups to avoid walking like John Wayne for the rest of my life wink.

Littlebigbum Fri 08-Mar-13 20:42:37

I love riding side saddle, just get one off ebay then find a horse to match. Honestly Saggy I think they just live off fresh air.

The 'girl' in the picture is kelly herself

Actually though, you say about her being wide, but Affrick, my friends highland is built just like that in 14hh. He is totally square, but, his saddle is remarkably narrow! I dont feel stretched at all on him. I suppose it has to do with having a big neck and withers, which brings the saddle up a bit. The rider in the first picture doesnt look like her legs are stretched to their full extent.

superfluouscurves Fri 08-Mar-13 22:13:37

I adore heavies too Saggy [sigh]

Just wish I could find an honest 'd'!

I've just seen a vid of that girl and she is the most appalling rider

I wouldn't buy a horse she had ridden it would have blooming back problems and a mouth a tank couldn't stop

But I am in love with

CRIKEY! Her rising trot!!! shock I know that is quite a forward cut saddle which doesn't help, but she is bad! She has no centre line!

Pixel Fri 08-Mar-13 22:47:12

Oh Korma, he's just like a giant exmoor <swoon>. Mind you, he's only 2" taller than dhorse but looks a lot bigger, must be all the hair!
See what you mean about the video, pretty grim. She even has the obligatory small dog getting in the way.

She is pulling on his mouth so much poor guy. Did you see the bit where she basically just yanks his head round ? And don't get me started on her canter

I wish I had the money to buy him. I'm in love

She rides like dd when she was 10!

Littlebigbum Fri 08-Mar-13 23:26:34

You are all wicked my fav is http://kellyshorses.co.uk/m/store/view/Another-Coldblood but I will have to change the name.

Callisto Sat 09-Mar-13 09:09:05

OMG that canter is horrible (and I'm not talking about the poor horse either).

dikkertjedap Sat 09-Mar-13 23:39:16

Personally I wouldn't like to ride a cart horse, but then again each to their own.

Little how old is the horse in your link - eyes seem so sunken.

superfluouscurves Sun 10-Mar-13 09:30:29

I would love to own a cart horse (to ride and drive) but boy does she need to lengthen her stirrups and centre herself down and low in the saddle (shouldn't really criticise anyone else's riding technique though - being old and wobbly and out of practice myself!)

Yes Dikkertjedap eyes seem small and don't seem to match rest of it. Love him though - he's like a big woolly bear Littlebigbum

Littlebigbum Sun 10-Mar-13 10:29:39

true just looked back either a very bad photo or???? We should be more cross that these heavy s are now in fashion. Just as well I would never have time in the weekend to drive 3 hrs to see them!

50BalesOfHay Mon 11-Mar-13 09:40:40

My sh has a Belgian draft, she's lovely and ideal for him as a novice, but she does know her own strength so we do have to be very firm with her. Pics on my profile for Belgian fans.

50BalesOfHay Mon 11-Mar-13 09:53:52

Nell the draft is the cheapest of ours to feed, she does indeed live off fresh air. Her saddle is truly awesome though, and you can't tell from the photos but even extra full headcollar etc are only just big enough. She's massive but devoted to dh, and vice versa.

Littlebigbum Mon 11-Mar-13 10:41:28

ohhhh 50 Love her, love them all

superfluouscurves Mon 11-Mar-13 17:18:46

Aw, Megan is gorgeous (and Big Nell!) 50Bales

Gingerfox123 Thu 09-May-13 16:11:25

Hi, I hope all the people on here talking about Kelly's cobs got to see watchdog last night. If you didn't please google it, they are rogue traders. Selling lame older horses as younger healthy horses. Please don't buy one of these horses before you have seen watchdog.

gallopingfoxly Thu 09-May-13 18:24:14

I think that they have had a lot of backlash for ultimately not covering themselves by getting the horses vet checked before point of sale. However they do what most people selling horses fail to do and that is offer a full refund after a 14 day trial if horse is unsuitable. I know dealers in Essex who sell horses and refuse to buy them back even when a horse is dangerous. That is more disgusting than what has happened here. Many horses are misrepresented when selling privately and most have hidden injuries undisclosed when sold with no recourse for the buyer. And for what it's worth i thought Watchdog presented a very poor and childish case, they gave no oppourtunity for the dealer to offer a refund. I would imagine kellys have a good case for libel against the BBC

Agreed. The bbc didn't follow watchdog protocol at all. Just took the piss and left themselves wide open.

superfluouscurves Fri 10-May-13 12:55:37

Can someone please send link to Kelly Cob Watchdog prog .. can't seem to find it - thanks!

superfluouscurves Fri 10-May-13 13:45:31

sorry - just found article and response on BBC Website

Can't say I am surprised

lovebeansontoast Sat 11-May-13 19:24:23

Interesting comment on a thread on the H and H forum. David of Kelly's cobs is answering questions. If you're going to have a look, start at page 15 otherwise there's a lot to wade through.

Littlebigbum Sat 11-May-13 22:50:32

Well I was impressed by the answer, still wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him but it was what has been said on here.
I thought more peeps would have come forward with there experience, as yet nothing new.
And I do like the grey, oh and not sure if I should share this.

Before they open the lorry, for the part ex. I shouted with a tear in my eye, no don't NO. Yes I very sad.

superfluouscurves Thu 16-May-13 11:34:48

grin LittleBigBum

had exactly the same reaction as you to his response.

Littlebigbum Fri 17-May-13 17:59:32

Just been on the site, and banned click. I had to read it 'death threats' really. oh well.
My advice is vetting and if you are looking for the forever horse don't bond with it till you have had it year.

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