So, where SHOULD you buy horses from?

(178 Posts)
JessyLou32 Sun 10-Feb-13 17:39:43

So those of you who have good amazing safe sane horses, where did you find them?!

I'm also questioning whether to buy at all, or just continue to share and loan.

TeamEdward Sun 10-Feb-13 17:42:32

Iceland or Tesco

<sorry, couldn't resist the obvious...>

tazzle22 Sun 10-Feb-13 17:54:29

well my own horse did not start out that way .... got her with issues via rescue and worked to make her the safe, sane horse she now is lol.

daughters horse ( well ex as daughter grew up and moved on) .... wells she was in the livery we were at at the time and her owner had lost interest so let other people ride .. may daughter was keen and after 6 months loan we bought Bonnie.

I personally have had horses on share / loan ......... good way to really get to know the horse before buying........ but not everyone with a good , sane horse will put it on loan wink.

There is no sure way to get the horse of ones dreams especially if its the "safe, sane" variety that you can leave in a field for 3 months ( as has been needed by loads people this yukky weather) then get on and have a calm hack . Some dealers are fine and dandy, some less than honest ............ some private sellers are great and tell the truth, some just have different definitions /standards than the possible purchaser ?

Me....... these days I would go by word of mouth and freinds reccomendatiosn if I were to ever want another horse.

Horsemadlady Sun 10-Feb-13 18:15:21

I would say get one through recommendation if you can. If not go to someone who has had the horse for a while and is willing for you to go back as many times as you like to view or even have on a short trial period. Unfortunately it's quite rare to get a trial period, but some people still will do it x

50BalesOfHay Sun 10-Feb-13 18:16:17

Bought one from the Pony Club website (fantastic first pony), one from a private seller, after a 6 week 'courtship' between DH and his horse, one (mine) from a friend and one from a dealer (who was recommended by a happy customer), after one visit because she was a rough diamond, but you could see the quality and she was so cheap she would have sold immediately. They've all worked out really well.

countingto10 Sun 10-Feb-13 18:23:27

I got my mare from here - Julia is about as honest a dealer as you can get, she values her reputation and doesn't want any horses returned to her. There are a few reputable dealers in the same area (Prestwood Farm if you have loads of money and Clip Clop traders are recommended on Horse and Hound). Sometimes it is worth going further a field to go to a decent dealer. Whilst I was viewing my mare, someone had travelled from Jersey to purchase from Julia.

Buying a horse is a leap of faith and as the saying goes "you win or lose the day you buy a horse" - you can only take relevant precautions, take a knowledgeable person with you, get a vetting from your own vet, get the owner/dealer to put the horse through its paces first (Julia insists her staff ride the horse for you first).

I had a good experience with a dealer but I did trawl H&H archives to see who had reasonable reputations. I also wanted some comeback in case things didn't work out (there is no comeback with a private sale as far as I am aware) but obviously reading about Safecobs that is it always the case. I suppose the measure of a good dealer is how they deal with things when they go wrong.

miggy Sun 10-Feb-13 18:52:00

I prefer to buy privately as however honest a dealer, they usually haven't had the horse that long and can't know all it's quirks.
Top tips are to google phone number ( often dealers masquerade as private sellers) and ask to see photos of the horse doing the stuff it's supposed to do, anyone who loves their horse will have buckets of pictures.
When we bought sons previous mounted games pony, the dad actually had a complete fully catalogued video collection of every competition his daughter had done,that was a bit too much info !!
And honestly never trust anyone, however nice they seem, any alarm bells ring, just walk away

CauDyGeg Sun 10-Feb-13 18:52:51

Aldi got some in yesterday......

I have come across one dealer that I just love. (Dales sports horses)

They do what they say on the tin but mainly competition horses.

I bought my mare from the farrier down the road. Always find word of mouth the best way to go.
No horse is perfect, they're living things & have off days just like everyone & everything.

Pixel Sun 10-Feb-13 19:13:36

My vet actually recommended Julia at Southgate.

lovestruckfifi Sun 10-Feb-13 19:29:49

The best horses I have ever had I are word of mouth and markets, don't think I would be brave enough for that now because of my age.
Has anyone had dealings http://www.irishcobs.co.uk/ because I have seen a lot of horse off there website and then on dealers yard/web pages.

VicarInaTutu Mon 11-Feb-13 12:36:58

ive bookmarked southgate - thank you.

Grunzlewheek Mon 11-Feb-13 13:01:22

Buying a horse is a leap of faith !
Also you never know until you get the horse home, how you keep it might not suit the horse. I used to be on a yard with a nice woman who admired my cobs, so she bought herself a cob, then kept it in 24/7 fed it rocket fuel and wondered why it turned into a turbo charged tank !

horseylady Mon 11-Feb-13 15:57:20

Word of mouth. Or from someone I know....or know of.

Saying that mine have always been barely broken in youngsters. Certainly not safe and sane initially.....

My friend's dd got her 14.1hh 8 year old heavy cobby pony from the RSPCA. My friend and her dd were heavily vetted and then had to have the horse for a year before the RSPCA would let them have the horse's passport following a final check.
Friend's dd (age 14) put a lot of work into the pony (Chloe) and it is a just the nicest pony smile

dikkertjedap Mon 11-Feb-13 19:32:30

We bought most horses either directly from the breeder or privately. The horses we bought privately were generally competition horses and ponies, so we had already met them and their riders at various shows.

Once we got a pony (privately, competition pony) who turned out to rear and then let himself fall backwards - clearly very dangerous, but we did manage to sort that out. He was a brilliant dressage pony though.

All others were fine. However, everybody in my family rides, so we never needed a really calm bombproof horse.

dikkertjedap Mon 11-Feb-13 19:34:04

TBH I think the key is to FIRST become a very confident and competent rider and only THEN buy a horse. So rather than buying a hugely overpriced horse I would spend that money on extra lessons/private lessons.

VicarInaTutu Mon 11-Feb-13 20:43:23

i agree dikker and thats exactly what im doing - i researched schools and tried loads before finding a proper old school instructor who is teaching me to ride - she knows that i would like my own at some stage and will help me find one, but for now i know i have no where near the amount of experience needed to responsibly own.

Pixel Mon 11-Feb-13 20:53:48

The RSPCA shouldn't be keeping the passport surely? My friend has a young cob from a rescue and they won't give the passport which is wrong as legally it has to go with the horse. If you read this it isn't even proof of ownership so there is no point in them keeping it. How can the loaner keep the vaccinations up to date when the vet has to enter details in the passport?

Fredstheteds Mon 11-Feb-13 21:07:08

Word of mouth, ask locals, instructors etc

Butkin Mon 11-Feb-13 22:40:09

We tend to buy show types so keep an eye out for ones we like at shows and pounce on them when they come up for sale - especially if we've noticed that the jockeys have outgrown them. We also ask around to find out if the ponies have reputations - people tend to have noticed bad behaviour.

We always get them 2 part vetted including blood tests so we've not recourse afterwards.

I was lucky and bought my wonderful show cob (took me from learning to ride to hunting and HOYS) from an advert in Horse and Hound but I was probably very lucky.

If I was buying a cob now I'd certainly try Lynn Russell. The top producers have reputations they don't want to tarnish. This includes making sure that their horses are sold to suitable people. It is easy to lose your reputation and proper people will do their best to keep their good names for the long haul.

Grunzlewheek Tue 12-Feb-13 10:57:07

I bought a cob from Lynn Russell.................

Moby68 Wed 13-Feb-13 11:42:32

Suspect RSPCA keep passport to prevent horse being sold during trial, there's some very unscrupulous people out there. Buying horses is one of the most difficult things to do well. If you have a lot of knowledge and can start a youngster, all to the good as no one has had a chance to ruin them. I've know brilliant horses, known in their private homes for years, change beyond recognition in a matter of months in the wrong hands.

The key is communication ... The seller needs to competely honest about what the horse needs and the buyer needs to completely honest about what they can provide, then see if the two things are the same.

I loaned my old boy out once to someone a a safe hack for her husband on the express instruction that he never be turned out alone. Safe as houses to ride alone he found lone turnout very stressful. When she asked me to collect him as he was unmanageable, unhandleable blah blah. We found stripped turnout where he had been separated from other horses. Had she told me that was her intention i woud have said no. My usually unwilling to travel boy practically dragged me up the ramp he was so happy to get away. Never loaned him again except on resident yard where i knew he would get what needs.

So, be upfront about what you need, be patient, ask penty of questions and you'll be more likely to find success. smile

Auntmaud Wed 13-Feb-13 11:48:57

Good, BTDT, bombproof horses can often be found on good riding school websites for sale.

VicarInaTutu Wed 13-Feb-13 12:09:35

i have been looking at mysafecobs (not to be confused with the much discussed safecobs) and she does natural horsemanship and has them for months getting to know them - i think she may be worth a look for me....ive looked on her pages and her fb page and i like her ethos - she sounds very like my RI.

Littlebigbum Wed 13-Feb-13 12:24:23

Vicar the lady that runs Mysafecobs and Lia used to be business partners. But I have never heard anything bad about Mysafecobs.

My friend was told RSPCA keep passport during one year loan / trial to ensure both parties are happy with the owner - horse match.
Friend was given passport and had to sign final ownership documents once RSPCA were happy the horse had a good home and had come on in the year friend's dd owner her (it was a bit of a project horse, friend's dd more than capable though)

VicarInaTutu Wed 13-Feb-13 13:35:40

i hadnt realised that but until someone told me however the way both dealerships seem to work appears to be very very different. ive signed up for the newsletter at MySafeCobs, Avril appears to be so very like my instructor in her horsey ways - listening to the horse and natural horsemanship - she seems to keep them for much much longer and seems to get to know them, she also has a much more comprehensive website with much more information and a questionnaire for potential owners - plus i think a waiting list. It all looks way more responsible and professional - she looks like she knows what she is doing with the horses instead of sticking them in an american gag bit and constantly using a whip as is stated on the latest safecob video....2 very different dealers with very similar names.

serenamoon Wed 13-Feb-13 13:45:45

Well horse training is a matter of opinion. Lia's way of training is similar to all ways I've been taught at various riding establishments. Natural Horsemanship is a whole different world and if that is what you prefer then that is great, but I do think that Lia does know her stuff on training and lots of what she says and does is good (like anybody, not all of it) That being said I'm not defending safecobs or anything like that just stating how different the training methods are.

The problem is, the horses are too young or nervous etc to keep going that way without the constant training which is not what a novice or leisure rider is going to be able to do easily, especially if the horse is sold on quickly without chance to have the training fully established and in place for the future.

Even with Mysafecobs if you see the horses are STILL very very young and again will not be suitable in the long run for a real novice or someone who lacks confidence.

With that in mind Vicar, I would say your best bet is to listen to your RI and you'll probably find a better suited horse, likely an older model who has got all the t-shirts and what not and will probably be cheaper. It is what I have been suggested time and time again by RI's I know for a first horse and then once you have the experience you can go on to buying younger horses if this is what you choose.

VicarInaTutu Wed 13-Feb-13 15:38:38

thanks serena - i will certainly be relying heavily on RI when i buy - i just rather liked the whole natural horsmanship idea - from what ive seen on the mysafecobs most of the horses (and there arent many for sale at any one time i notice) do seem much older than on safecobs and seem to have a much slower turnaround - it just looks much more professional. Id be interested in going for a look but its a long way from me i think - that said so is safecobs. Avril at MySafecobs just talks like my RI which instinctively makes me think she knows her onions.

serenamoon Wed 13-Feb-13 16:07:18

Dealers are great for some people, especially people new to owning horses for the security they can bring etc, but since you have such a trusted RI that is willing to give you all of this advice, you'll be able to find many privately owned horses and lots of other dealers who are close to you with different types of horses as well.

The ones on sale at the moment on mysafecobs are still around 6 years old which is still very young if you're not ready for the training that needs to be done.

Whatever you chose is ultimately your decision and if you want to go down the Natural Horsemanship route then you can do that. For me, I don't like it and as I said before I do think Lia at safecobs has a lot of her training right and she does know what she is talking about (it's just sometimes as with anything things can go wrong)

Pixel Wed 13-Feb-13 19:13:25

Vicar, just for you...
I wasn't going to post this (not wanting to drag mysafecobs into anything) but since another thread has bitten the dust angry, I saw this on the mysafecobs facebook page and it made me think they probably have the right attitude! here The first comment underneath says "A very cruel bit, still being used sometimes nowadays by cruel or ignorant people!!!."

VicarInaTutu Wed 13-Feb-13 19:35:55

thanks pixel i have spent the day ogling mysafecobs and have found the FB page - her videos are much more insightful and show much more of her training process - not just showing a hack out on a "finished" cob like the safecob ones - it looks a very different set up and i like the look of it. I would go and have a look there i think, my spidey sense dont tingle looking at Avrils site. And on her site there is a diary of an owner of a pony called Briar - read it and weep....i was really touched by it - i think Avril at mysafecobs takes horses and retrains them if they have been mishandled or just show fear.

Thanks serena - all noted and i will continue to research locally too, but even my RI has been duped before now, even with all her experience. its a flipping minefield out there.

I don't know that there is any "safe" place to buy from as such - unless you are lucky enough to know the horse already. Even then, different horses can behave differently for different people.

I bought a spooky 4 year old from a dealer for my first horse grin. Doubtless lots of people thought I was nuts but didn't like to say so... 2 1/2 years on he is not perfect, and we have certainly had our moments, but I wouldn't part with him for anything - though I do threaten him with a swap or going for burgers when he's being an idiot!

A friend meanwhile bought what sounded like a better bet - a 10 year old from a private home - ended up selling him a year later as he had intractable issues that affected her enjoyment of her horse (he hated schooling, didn't like hacking alone).

Incidentally, amongst the horses I know, there are very few angels.

ChildrensOutdoorfun Thu 14-Feb-13 00:15:59

Hello. The only way. To have a safe bombproof horse is to get in contact with Claire smith-mortiboys. She trained with buck branaman I think that's how you spell it. We were recommended her. She assisted us with finding firstly a pony for our daughter then a horse for me. I don't know how she knows but she can tell what a horses personality is. Just from head photos. I had lessons as did my daughter. And I reccomend her to anyone interested in rid

VicarInaTutu Thu 14-Feb-13 00:33:18

i think ive found her on facebook - but not sure. does she have a website?

Moby68 Thu 14-Feb-13 06:12:55

Serena talks a lot of sense smile. Although sometimes a young horse that has never learnt a bad habit can be better than an older one whose learnt all the tricks! That said, it then becomes about ensuring the young horse continues to have good experiences and that takes the right owner.

NH is a bit trendy for me. When you look at it, large parts are just common sense but I find some of the circus tricks elements of it a bit daft. When I bought my first horse, my vet who was really old school (ex Min of Ag) said "treat your horse like a large educationally subnormal child". It's the best bit of advice I ever had. Don't humanise them, don't expect them to apply logic or reasoning, do expect them to need firm boundaries and to need to know who the herd leader is (that's you by the way!). I'd been riding since childhood when i got my horse in my twenties, but soon realised that riding and owning were very different things.

"I don't know how she knows but she can tell what a horses personality is. Just from head photos."

Really? Lots of people at the yard have said my horse has a kind eye, a lovely face, he's a darling, you can tell from his face that he's a gentle horse and would never hurt you. Then we ride out of sight and he bucks me off! grin (Admittedly though he doesn't do that too often or he would be up on ebay!)

Auntmaud Thu 14-Feb-13 08:42:39

She can't tell from head photos. What a pile of horse poo con! You were lucky, is all.

Mirage Thu 14-Feb-13 10:13:22

There are good dealers out there,my friends use two locally,and have bought several of their horses from them
.My gt grandad was a dealer and used to have connemaras brought over from Ireland.He always used to leave them in the field for a few days at home because 'some don't travel well'.Reading between the lines,that meant that some had been doped for the journey or because of problems.He had too good a reputation to risk selling a horse that wasn't right,so would keep them for a while to be sure,then use my mum to test ride them.Only then would they be sold.

I haven't much faith in kind eyes.Our bucking bolter of a pony had a lovely kind eye and was an angel on the ground.She came from a private seller who outright lied to us and had a history of exploding with a child on board.These days I don't believe what anyone says about a horse or pony unless I've seen it with my own eyes.We walked away from a lovely pony last week because the owner wouldn't let us trial her or take her to the nearest village to ride her on the road to see how she was in traffic.

mrslaughan Thu 14-Feb-13 11:03:15

Mirage great to have you back!

razzdazz Thu 14-Feb-13 11:44:21

I would also advise that when trying a horse you take it out on a different route to the one the seller wants to go on......many horses can behave and remain calm when it is a route taken almost daily that has become like home to them. Mind you, after my recent bad experience maybe I shouldnt be dishing out any advice blush lol

Mirage Thu 14-Feb-13 13:28:58

Thank you.smile

There you are Mirage - I'd been wondering where you'd gone...... Get thee back on that Riding Log, it's been very quiet and nobody's put anything on for a couple of weeks.

Mirage Thu 14-Feb-13 18:42:05

Oh I'll soon fill it up with drivel.smile

Mirage Thu 14-Feb-13 18:42:44

Oh I'll soon fill it up with drivel.smile

Mirage Thu 14-Feb-13 18:43:41

Started alreadygrin

serenamoon Thu 14-Feb-13 19:35:30

Oh razz you poor thing haha. That is good advice though! And... as razz also learned the hard way, make sure you can try it out alone if that's what you will be doing!

VicarInaTutu Thu 14-Feb-13 22:26:27

well i think i am sold on avril at mysafecobs - just been watching her clips on the website demonstrating natural horsemanship - and listening to the recordings on the feedback from people. She really reminds me so much of my RI. she speaks horse.

also looked at the horses she has in training now- all around 10 yrs old. it looks very very professional and you can just see she knows what she is doing. I will go and visit the school there i think - ive sent her my details, filled in the ownership forms and hope to get on the waiting list.

Littlebigbum Thu 14-Feb-13 23:23:04

Keep us updated Vicar, I was thinking about doing a course down there

VicarInaTutu Fri 15-Feb-13 00:24:35

so am i little - she is sending me details of the courses. i think it would benefit me to do a course or two before i own. think i will start with the foundation course - there is footage of this online on the website and its just amazing.

i will let you know how i get on. the only down side is its miles away from me but i would travel for the right horses for courses and courses for horses!

she is so like my instructor but she has so little time to teach me - she is run off her feet, so i think it would really cement the knowledge that my instructor gives me without confusing me as they appear to work in the same way, they even use the same phrases.

ill let you know how i get on. i feel instinctively she could be the right place for me to buy from.

Littlebigbum Fri 15-Feb-13 08:17:35

Ohh I'm excited for you

razzdazz Fri 15-Feb-13 09:43:26

Avril is a lovely lady, I purchased a horse from her, she is one of very few that is on the horses side!!

Moby68 Fri 15-Feb-13 10:19:48

razz .. if it's not impertinent to ask, why didn't you go back to Avril when you wanted another?

Lovesswimming Fri 15-Feb-13 11:46:02

moby (just answereing for Razz in case shes busy)
razz thought she was as they used to be in partnership and the name was the same when she bought her horse, we obviously dont know why there was a split.

Booboostoo Fri 15-Feb-13 12:56:33

Horses react differently to different people and different situations so I don't think there could ever be a dealer who was guarranteed to provide a safe hack no matter what. Some owners seem to me to have unrealistic expectations and very little knowledge...and some sellers are out to make a quick buck no matter whose lives they put at risk! The two make for a very dangerous combination.

I bought a safe HW hack for my OH from a private seller, but I phoned about hundreds of horses and viewed 15 in three months before I found him.

I have bought competition horses from dealers and they have always shown me quality animals - not all suitable to me but you don't know that until you ride a horse.

I don't care who the horse comes from, dealer or private, if I like the look of the advert, I call, if I like what I am told on the phone, I arrange a viewing, if I like what I see/ride, I arrange a vetting, if the horse passes, I buy it!

razzdazz Fri 15-Feb-13 16:47:58

Thanks loveswim. I did indeed contact safecobs again as I believed it was the same one as when I had purchased my previous cob. The web page was totally the same design so why would I have thought otherwise. Obviously, if I had known then what I do now I never would have purchased from them again.

VicarInaTutu Fri 15-Feb-13 18:29:52

well i have to say its thanks to this site and those like Razz and loveswimming i have learnt a very valuable lesson and i hope you can take some comfort in knowing that you stopped me and hopefully others falling for an unscrupulous dealer in favour of a trainer who sells horses. im truly grateful.

razzdazz Fri 15-Feb-13 19:43:45

That is great to know vicar and even if it is only you who I have helped it has been more than worth it x

VicarInaTutu Sat 16-Feb-13 21:35:18

its has helped, and im sure many others will have read and just not commented - the FB saga goes on but im trying to stay off....its pissing me right off now. grin

im really grateful that i found this stuff out now and not later....

and ive found Avrils site which is a plus. i cried reading briars story blush
i think ive found the place ill buy from in her....

Razz, I also thank you for highlighting the pitfalls. I've just had a 5 stage vetting on a horse that is at a dealer local to me after trying him out four times.
He is a sweetheart, great on the road but green in the school ( which I'm fine with) but obviously until I get him home and try him on different lanes - who knows! The dealer I'm buying him off has a good reputation and has told me in no uncertain terms that he doesn't want to lose that hard won reputation so insists on a contract to refund/exchange (if I choose) within 6 months if unsuitable. I'll keep you posted!

vicar. Where is Briar you mention on the MSC website? I can't find the reference? I do love Avril's website. Such a refreshing change but I'm not going to say anymore as don't want thread deleting!

VicarInaTutu Sat 16-Feb-13 23:02:35

its here *singing*

its long.
and it will make you cry. it made me cry. twice.
and i then had to read it out to DH.
and cried again.

have a tissue with you when you read it....its got a happy end but oh my goodness....

and it just expresses how wonderful Avril is and how in tune she is to horses. and i think its so lovely and so touching.

Thank you vicar. Will pour a another glass of wine, grab some tissues tell DH he is ok to carry on watching SKY Sport rubbish and relish. smile

VicarInaTutu Sat 16-Feb-13 23:22:12

it is just so lovely and i dont cry easily - but 2 bits made my eyes leak - you have to read it all - from start to finish.

the bit where the new owner got the animal communicator and the bit where Avril "talks" to her....when she lowers her neck to envelop Avril - after all the shite she had endured she still wanted to give a horsey love to a person who knew what they were doing with her....and i cried.

and it just cements for me that Avril will be where i buy from. She understands horses. im really wanting to go and do the foundation course (clips of which also on the website) and i am in awe.

Booboostoo Sun 17-Feb-13 08:51:17

OK I am going to say this because I think it needs to be said:

If you think a horse communicator is going to solve your horse problems you are ripe pickings for an unscrupulous dealer. There is no such thing as horse telepathy any more than there is human telepathy or chicken telepathy.

I am also sorry but I don't see the huge achievement described at the end. The horse walks out on a short hack and trots back (you should do the opposite when trying a horse, trot away from the yard then walk back to it), it 'accepts' three different riders (why is this such a huge achievement?! Would you pay extra for a horse you can share with your DP or DC on the grounds that the horse tolerates more than one rider? What rubbish! Even Valegro gets ridden by CdJ, CH, the grooms and visitors who want to go on a hack), and then follows a person on foot out again (never accept this when trying out a horse, it's a very easy way to mask a nappy horse).

Booboostoo Sun 17-Feb-13 09:01:26

If you read Briar's story it's fairly clear where it went wrong:

1. they kept her alone - this is enough to wind up most horses

2. the first time she hesitated they did nothing (daughter too scared to kick), then the mother gave her a lead teaching her to wait for a human to give a lead. This is how you turn a minor hesitation into a major nap. It was not a poor child's fault but she was clearly far too novicey and scared to own a pony.

3. the mum freaked at minor things, e.g. a fresh horse is likely to buck, rear and mess around on the lunge, but that's why you lunge them. You just laugh or growl (whichever works best) and send the horse on until it has expended enough energy. You do NOT freak out (transmiting tension) and put the horse away (without using up the energy).

4. they describe a lengthy process of lessons and experts...which is supposed to have taken place over 4 months with 9 weeks off for snow. So this was less than 2 months of trying... this is unrealistic. It takes 6-12 months for a new horse to settle in all situations.

5. they expected too much too soon. The mum says that some lessons were good and then some bad...well horses regress, that's life with horses. No one's horse is perfect 100% of the time, much less when you are trying to get used to a new horse and deal with a problem you have already created.

6. no where is there mention of a vet. Was this pony's behaviour ever cleared of a physical cause by an experienced equine vet? That would be an knowledgeable horse person's first port of call in trouble.

There is no one who can guarrantee you a safe horse while you cry, shake and stress over the very idea of riding it (or even picking its feet out, is that other story serious?). People who have that degree of anxiety around horses owe it to themselves and their horse to go to an RS until they can build their confidence up.

VicarInaTutu Sun 17-Feb-13 10:50:43

It does mention a vet, they had her back and teeth checked. I do not believe in animal communicators, btw, but I do believe that what the trainer wrote re the training process is the result of a genuine understanding of horses.

Booboostoo Sun 17-Feb-13 11:33:16

I can't find the word 'vet' in the document. People mean all sorts of things when they say they had 'everything done', from their YO saying all is well, to chiros 'putting the pelvis' back in, to animal communicators and related silliness.

Moby68 Sun 17-Feb-13 12:02:40

Booboostoo talks a lot of horse sense and clearly has a genuine understanding of horses. We should treat them with compassion yes and affection of course but they need us to be calm and authoritative, a herd leader they can look to for direction and reassurance. They don't need to take on board our anxiety.

somewhatavoidant Sun 17-Feb-13 12:21:01

I got so fed up traipsing up & down the country on wild goose chases I finally put an ad in the national horsey paper,something along the lines of:
Dream Horse Wanted:
7-10yrs
15.2 to 16.2hh
Non TB
Must be easy ride and happy to jump 1m track
Sensible & Safe to hack alone
Preferred eventing experience
(Lots of other points but can't remember now!)

I had every codger in the country ringing with 3yr old unbroken TBs but I had a long list of questions prepared and filled a form for each call. Got 2 ideal sounding horses but way too expensive (15k) & then finally the call came with a guy saying "I have the horse!" Went down the following day and rode out with the guy on his other horse. The minute I sat up it just felt right somehow. He gave me a weeks trial and even lent me his trailer!! (Must have an honest face!) The horse has been my dream horse in every way except for being lazy dressage wise but I've had so much fun over the last 2 years.

Have made 2 mistakes horse wise where having overruled my first instinct about the horses, turns out I should have listened! Vital to know when to sell on even at a loss & move on. It happens all the time and better to swallow one's pride than get hurt me thinks.

Auntmaud Sun 17-Feb-13 13:48:22

Brilliant post booboo, totally agree.

vicar you need to see lot sof horses with an experienced person, not set your heart on one dealer who is doing a pretty good PR job on herself.

lovebeansontoast Sun 17-Feb-13 14:13:57

I agree too booboo, and with what AuntMaud says.

vicar, read my post on the "Dealers" thread.

It's up to you, it will be your horse. My advice is as follows:

1) as AuntMaud says, take someone experienced with you.

2) Write down a list of searching questions, and don't assume all the answers you are given are true, my lovely boy was advertised as "ride and drive" and that he had "jumped at Towerlands". I know now neither are true. Just as well i don't drive and wasn't looking for a jumper!

3) make sure you do everything with the horse you will want to do at home, and that includes riding out on your own, catching him, traffic, everything. Don't assume or believe anything you haven't seen with your own eyes.

4) insist on a 5 star vetting. Expensive, but cheap in the big scheme of things. Horses are expensive

5) ask for a trial period. You might not get it, but it's worth an ask. I bought my current horse subject to vetting and got two weeks trial after which I could get my money back if I wasn't 100% happy. I had created a mini contract to say what I wanted. The dealer signed it when I gave him my non refundable deposit. I gave him a post dated cheque for the rest which he held for two weeks, then presented to the bank after I had I rung him to say all was well.

They did tell me a lot of rubbish about my horse, such as his owners were getting divorced (they weren't, but it's a good easy reason for selling a horse - not the horse's fault!), fantastic in traffic (he isn't perfect in heavy traffic, but good enough for me) but what they couldn't disguise was his wonderful temperament, great conformation and way of going. He did turn out to be two years older than they said, but that was nothing in the scheme of things. i got, and still have, a lovely horse.

Very best of luck smile

somewhatavoidant Sun 17-Feb-13 16:06:37

I got so fed up traipsing up & down the country on wild goose chases I finally put an ad in the national horsey paper,something along the lines of:
Dream Horse Wanted:
7-10yrs
15.2 to 16.2hh
Non TB
Must be easy ride and happy to jump 1m track
Sensible & Safe to hack alone
Preferred eventing experience
(Lots of other points but can't remember now!)

I had every codger in the country ringing with 3yr old unbroken TBs but I had a long list of questions prepared and filled a form for each call. Got 2 ideal sounding horses but way too expensive (15k) & then finally the call came with a guy saying "I have the horse!" Went down the following day and rode out with the guy on his other horse. The minute I sat up it just felt right somehow. He gave me a weeks trial and even lent me his trailer!! (Must have an honest face!) The horse has been my dream horse in every way except for being lazy dressage wise but I've had so much fun over the last 2 years.

Have made 2 mistakes horse wise where having overruled my first instinct about the horses, turns out I should have listened! Vital to know when to sell on even at a loss & move on. It happens all the time and better to swallow one's pride than get hurt me thinks.

VicarInaTutu Sun 17-Feb-13 19:27:38

i think ive already said i will be taking RI with me, and she trusts nobody ever - she said today unless i can take a horse on trial then believe nothing i am told.

i think i will be ok, and im not looking yet anyway (far too early in the great scheme of things and i dont know enough)

thanks for the advice and i will be vigilant, and if im not, my RI will be. smile

Floralnomad Sun 17-Feb-13 20:48:12

Well I've never sold a horse because I keep mine until they die but if I were selling one there is no way I'd let it go out for a trial , wouldn't care how many times people came to look but it wouldn't be leaving my yard . Maybe I'm odd but its like buying anything else , you don't go to a garage and say you'll take the car away for a week and then let them know.

50BalesOfHay Sun 17-Feb-13 21:10:19

Agree about the trial, I wouldn't do it. We've got one out on loan with view to buy, but only because it's an exceptional home where she's adding huge value to the horse, and we visit monthly.

Moby68 Mon 18-Feb-13 04:55:09

owners getting divorced? That old line, lol. Dealers have been using that since time immemorial. It's a minefield out there :/

Auntmaud Mon 18-Feb-13 07:17:33

I don't allow mine out on trial at all either. You don't know what the trialer is like, what they will do to the horse, how they will ride it or keep it.

Buying a horse is partly a leap of faith. If you can't make that leap, don't buy one.

lovebeansontoast Mon 18-Feb-13 08:13:56

Re trial. I agree with everything you both said, but from a buyer's perspective it is definitely worth asking. As I said, I got one. I agreed to pay full price for the horse though and paid a non refundable deposit. So you could argue I paid a hundred or so for the trial period. I thought it was worth it.

Moby68 Mon 18-Feb-13 20:49:47

Good call lovebeansontoast ... and by paying a non refundable deposit you showed you were a serious buyer and not playing at it. Buying a horse is a massive commitment of time, money, energy and not one to be taken lightly.

Mirage Mon 18-Feb-13 21:52:50

I always ask for a trial now for the dds ponies.I'm happy to leave a deposit or go back to the owners yard as many times as it takes,to do everything that we'd expect to do on a pony if they don't want it to leave their premises.We have our current loan pony on a 3 month trial,the owner suggested it as she wants a good fit for her pony.I made sure she visited me at home and where the ponies are currently kept and where I normally keep them and signed a contract.I also supplied 3 references.

Floralnomad Tue 19-Feb-13 11:50:14

I think people who are happy to let their equines out on loan are more likely to agree to a trial , I wouldn't let one out on loan either . I'm in no way saying its wrong its just not right for me .

Littlebigbum Tue 19-Feb-13 12:37:42

Vicar have you found out what sort of price Mysafecobs are because POA always puts me of

Booboostoo Tue 19-Feb-13 16:13:19

I don't know about Mysafecobs, but a family friend/confidence giver/happy hack can go for anything between 4k and 6k. Dealers will know the value of what they have so it's unlikely that you'll get a bargain from them. If the horse is indeed as described they are worth their weight in gold as they are the kind of horse many people want. If you trawl through the private ads you may well find a better deal, but you would need a bit of luck to find a family that are wanting to sell the perfect horse in the first place, and have failed to notice the market value in the second place.

I'd always want a trial period for a child's pony, and unless it was a hugely expensive show pony type would be surprised not to get one. With dhorse I was offered as many visits to the yard as I wanted (fortunately it was only 1 hr away) and over a space of a month I made several trips and rode him about 4 times - hacking, schooling, jumping, galloping - which worked really well. It was a private buyer and they were happy for me to take as long as I wanted - from first sight to him being with me was around 6 weeks. We are still in touch (they offered to have him with them for rehab when his kissing spine was diagnosed, and they also offered me a loan horse to hunt) and they have been nothing but kind and helpful. I know that's unusual, but it has been very reassuring.

I don't think there's any harm in asking about a trial period, but don't be surprised if it's refused.

WillowKnicks Tue 19-Feb-13 17:04:31

I was extremely lucky with my horse, as wasn't even looking but had always wanted my own, when a friend said she knew the perfect horse for me, as someone she had been on a previous yard with & (had known the horse for years) was selling due to ill health. She was really only interested in finding the right home & because it was a health issue, she sold tack, grooming equipment, rugs the lot...what I paid for horse & all the stuff wouldn't have even covered the saddle TBH!

I got her on a month's trial, she spent first 2 weeks on my friends yard, so I rode out with her & then came home with me for remaining 2 weeks & she is an absolute dream..but if I'd have based my opinions on the first couple of times I rode her, I wouldn't have bought her! I will never, ever sell her she is my lifetime horse & we'll retire together smile

DD's 1st pony we bought off the local riding school on a week's trial. He was a bit tricky & cheeky at first but eventually settled down & is a little star!

DD's 2nd pony we bought privately & has been ill pretty much from the beginning but his previous owner has taken him back to hers to recuperate, as they know him far better than us & what he was like previously, so obviously really genuine sellers that want the best for the pony.

VicarInaTutu Tue 19-Feb-13 19:40:37

no little - im bracing myself though! ill find out nearer the time.

willyoulistentome Wed 20-Feb-13 09:52:01

I bought my girl, aged 3, unbacked but well handled, from a good friend who had bred her from her own huge warmblood mare and a very famous eventing stallion. I did all the backing, which was really easy as she was so well handled previously. Did loads with her over the years. Perfect horse for me. She's almost 20 now. I love here to bits and will never sell, even if it bankrupts me (which is it might do!!) We just happy hack now.

fortheloveofahorse Wed 20-Feb-13 15:51:23

OMG-Just typed my first EVER post.not liable in ANY way-no relation to any dealer the dealer that i used has been long closed by Trading Standards ,just my story-just come on and its been deleted !! What kind of forum is this ????????? Freedom to express andopinion-im off to delete my account sad

fortheloveofahorse Wed 20-Feb-13 15:57:33

Hello,i am a newbie here.
Hope this wont be deleted this time ???? Nothing damming in here ??? is there ???

We bought a horse from a dealer(who has been long since closed down by Trading Standards)he was the last horse to leave the yard before they closed down the whole operation-to cut a very long story short we believed we were buying the sane and sensible horse we viewed over a long weekend spent trying him-how wrong we were.

I class myself as a sensible,experienced horsewoman-i have worked with horses all my life-breaking in youngsters,grooming for hunters and showjumpers and handling stallions.

We had him 5 stage vetted,from a vet many miles from the dealers yard-one i chose myself.

I soon realised the sane and sensible front that i saw had been his way of coping with the awful experiences of his past-he was actually shut down and emotionally in pieces-once he came home and was out of that environment the real issues surfaced.

The livery yard staff refused to handle him,so i moved him to a DIY yard where i could be his sole carer.My daughter didn't ride him for 8 months-i took him right back to basics,gaining his trust on the ground before i got back on board.

He has been the biggest challenge i have ever had-everyone told me i was irresponsible for thinking of keeping him,the fact that he was to be my daughters horse filled people with fear-that he was downright dangerous,and that i should realise my own limitations and think about doing the kindest thing.

The dealer had thrown away his passport which if i could have talked to previous owners in that first couple of weeks would have given me so much understanding as to why he behaved the way he did,she had given him a new passport-with no history,buy Mommy was on the case !! and after a lot of phoning and faxing,emailing and tracking back i found out he had passed through 6 homes in 7 weeks the summer we bought him,no wonder the poor little man couldnt trust anyone.Everyone told me the same story,he wasn't a horse you could trust-"i think he has a screw loose"..."God don't let your daughter get on him will you?"-"you arnt thinking of keeping him are you" ?

They we very wrong-we never gave up on the little man a Piebald Irish Cox ISH(who at a full up 15.3 is not so little any more!)we are 7 years on now from the day we brought him home-and he and my daughter have built an incredible bond over the years-it still makes me well up to see the two of them working together-and i can say hand on my heart he is the most trustworthy animal and has never gives me any cause for concern,he loves his girl and his girl loves him smile

Despite my experience,not all dealers are bad-i have known many,many people over the years who have bought from dealers and have found really lovely horses-like any business there are good and bad.

fortheloveofahorse

Pixel Wed 20-Feb-13 16:01:02

Yeah I noticed that had gone again, no idea why as it all seemed ok last night when I went to bed.

Moby68 Wed 20-Feb-13 16:05:38

Ah lovely loveofahorse smile what a great story x

saintmerryweather Wed 20-Feb-13 17:15:18

what a lovely story, im so glad he finally found somewhere he was safe with people who believd in him.

Msc horses i see priced anywhere up to 5k, highest i ever saw was 5250

fortheloveofahorse what a fantastic story smile

Littlebigbum Wed 20-Feb-13 19:03:15

So glad he found you for

Mirage Wed 20-Feb-13 20:16:48

What a lovely story fortheloveofahorse smile

VicarInaTutu Wed 20-Feb-13 23:51:29

awwwww! he obviously needed you forthelove and im glad for him that you found him.

how lovely.

lastsaloonNelson Wed 20-Feb-13 23:58:48

Is it me or is the 'Dealers' thread gone as well now?? If so what on earth happened there then??

VicarInaTutu Thu 21-Feb-13 00:10:41

Message deleted by Mumsnet for breaking our Talk Guidelines. Replies may also be deleted.

lastsaloonNelson Thu 21-Feb-13 00:25:32

Did MNHQ give an explanation of the reason?? Better be a good one as without it I think it smacks of 'bending under peer-pressure'!! As you say it seems ok to compare other products/companies etc. why not horse dealers,thought we were being ultra careful not to offend anyone as it was <unless something popped up after the last time I read the thread>. I know,I shall go and ask

Lovesswimming Thu 21-Feb-13 00:39:06

I asked last time lastsaloon the reply was pretty much along the lines if they don't have time to prove it is not as accused and the law is changing s

Lovesswimming Thu 21-Feb-13 00:40:41

Sorry pressed wrong button! Law is changing soon so they will review then. Until then I'll keep u updated with new threads whenever there is news. And if anyone ever happens to ask I will still have my opinion!

lastsaloonNelson Thu 21-Feb-13 00:48:42

Thanks lovesswimming just don't like to be unjustifiably silenced that's all and yes be very grateful if you kept me in the loop!

WillowKnicks Thu 21-Feb-13 09:40:54

The more it gets pulled, the more suspicious it looks!!

lastsaloonNelson Thu 21-Feb-13 12:50:53

Well,haven't had any response from MNHQ so far....... Looks like the bullies always win....... shame that.

lastsaloonNelson Thu 21-Feb-13 19:50:37

Have reported to MNHQ again just incase it didn't get through last night as still no response.....

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 21-Feb-13 20:45:19

lastsaloonNelson

Did MNHQ give an explanation of the reason?? Better be a good one as without it I think it smacks of 'bending under peer-pressure'!! As you say it seems ok to compare other products/companies etc. why not horse dealers,thought we were being ultra careful not to offend anyone as it was <unless something popped up after the last time I read the thread>. I know,I shall go and ask

Evening.

That thread was deleted as it was reported to us as containing potentially defamatory content.

As the current libel law stands, we are publisher of what is posted on Mumsnet which means that, together with authors of the posts, we are liable for any court action, should we fail to take down potentially defamatory content, once we are alerted to it.

While we have very sympathy with folks' annoyance, we have no knowledge of the actual circumstances here, and so we can't possibly know truth from possible libel.

50BalesOfHay Thu 21-Feb-13 21:35:49

Fair enough, Helen. I guess that those of us who know what we're doing don't buy into the silly nonsense that is 'if you're a nervous novice you can ride a young horse who we will charge you a fortune more than it's worth for and then give stupid reasons when it all goes wrong'. What a gullible lot the noblets are, but hey ho, if they bothered to learn to ride they'd know that anyway.

lastsaloonNelson Thu 21-Feb-13 22:06:59

Thank you MNHQ.
Same tripe as you got fed then lovesswimming. I have saved the whole thread. Nothing even 'potentially' defamatory in there.
As I said the bullies win. They just shout really loud :"Miss miss!! shock shock" and the thread gets pulled for no reason. Very wrong but hey ho,moving on . angry

lastsaloonNelson Thu 21-Feb-13 22:08:45

careful there 50bales that sounds potentially defamatory to me tsssk grin

Mirage Fri 22-Feb-13 08:43:27

I don't quite understand why threads about problems with British Gas,Insurance companies,supermarkets ect where there is only the posters side of the story are not 'defamatory' and are allowed to stand,but a general thread about dealers isn't? sad

lastsaloonNelson Fri 22-Feb-13 08:58:33

Mirage is it because British Gas/Tesco etc customers don't run to MNHQ the minute something is said to shout NOT FAIR? Possibly...... Also none of the companies you mentioned above have a 'Queen'.... grin grin

Mirage Fri 22-Feb-13 11:18:38

Too true,never mind truth will out,as the old saying goes.smile

Booboostoo Fri 22-Feb-13 11:26:03

Horse dealers (and horse transport companies in my experience) are very on the ball in terms of surveying horsey fora and will immediately lodge a complain with forum admin. Inevitably forum admin would rather be safe than sorry and who can blame them!

Tons of posts about dodgy dealers have been deleted from HHO so more people get caught out. Personally I can't wait for the law to change but meanwhile I PM everyone who asks for transporter recommendations to tell them of my horrible experience (Hello oh nameless but crappy transporter who monitors all my posts and asks for them to be deleted). Anyone who wants to know who they are PM me!

Pixel Fri 22-Feb-13 15:01:48

50, do stop pretending you know what you are talking about, you are only a bored housewife! I can suggest some lovely ads educational videos you can watch every day. However you will have to have a gullibility chip specially inserted (I'm not sure where) and show fawning gratitude for being allowed to watch them.

Booboo unfortunately that's the only way to go at the moment. A mumsnetter kindly emailed me the other day to warn me about a dealer that was mentioned on here having had a bad experience with them herself. Sad really that she had to go 'undercover' when she could have just posted her personal experience and opinion of any other business.
I guess the thing to do if horsehunting is to ask if anyone has experience of certain 'traders' and then request personal messages only. It isn't illegal to ask a question even if names are mentioned is it?

Booboostoo Fri 22-Feb-13 18:07:34

Those posts seem to stay, at least on HHO. Many people also ask about specific horses and it's interesting how other members do research on their behalf, e.g. a bit of googling can reveal a private ad telephone number that is linked to multiple sales (= dealer pretending to be private home), or a horse that has been marketed again and again with different descriptions (= lying), or a horse that has had a very quick turn-around from a private home to a dealer (= problem horse being given away to dealer and re-sold misdescribed), etc.

disliketrolls Sat 23-Feb-13 02:43:20

copying and pasteing from a page that includes peoples full names is okay is it ?? THAT IS WHY THE THREAD GOT DELETED now that was bang out of order !!

disliketrolls Sat 23-Feb-13 02:51:47

And yes I reported it and am happy Mumsnet agreed that was wrong and did the right thing ,away you go waiting for the onslaught now I just know you will group together ,but I can take it because I know I only did what was right

lastsaloonNelson Sat 23-Feb-13 11:01:14

Honey DO keep up! The post that was C+P'd was deleted at the poster's request looooooong before the thread got pulled grin. MNHQ didn't agree with anything,they are just too busy too read every single post so just pull a thread if in any doubt at all. See explanation from Helenmumsnet above.
Now if you would kindly let us get on with our conversation,would be greatly appreciated.

Have a sit down with a brew and a biscuit. There,there,better now grin

VicarInaTutu Sat 23-Feb-13 12:12:01

a lone coblet? there must be more - they tend to stick together. grin

saintmerryweather Sat 23-Feb-13 12:17:54

hunting in packs?

Littlebigbum Sat 23-Feb-13 12:42:57

Oh I want a brew and a biscuit.
So this has help me, a lot of my problem is I don't know what I want. I know I don't want to over horse myself. I'm 5-2" and 10 stone and ride regularly a 13 hand nuttie pony and a few posh nice horses.
I do know I don't want one of the irish import that you can't touch but if you have 3 people in the yard to hold him down to get on, he is a very nice ride.
I'm a bit haunted by the dartmoor foals that need rescuing Facebook thing and the ex racehorse, of course. Always loved heavy horse.
Oh I can only have one now and in livery.
Think I did to find a yard/field to rent so I can have scruffy pony and heavy horses.

WillowKnicks Sat 23-Feb-13 13:13:18

Call me cynical but I suspect disliketrolls posted to provoke the 'onslaught' that never came, so that someone would post something that would be deemed defamatory & they, who shall remain nameless, could have yet ANOTHER thread pulled!!

Sorry troll that we didn't rise to the bait grin

lastsaloonNelson Sat 23-Feb-13 13:23:18

willow #gotITinONE... wink 'ere just for you flowers Aren't we just marvelous? Off to have a horsey hot shower now and then I'll get my Royal top on and hug a hoodie.
This could possibly not make any sense AT ALL to nonpeeps but I just love being cryptic grin

VicarInaTutu Sat 23-Feb-13 16:57:48

i got it last!!
i clearly have too much time on my hands!

i think its time for a revolution grin
at least i know where not to go!

Pixel Sat 23-Feb-13 17:28:49

Yep, we managed to avoid having another thread american gagged!

lastsaloonNelson Sat 23-Feb-13 17:46:21

Pixel, Vicar thank God for HobNobs is all I can say..... Fancy us all getting independent and informed!shock shock Can't have that! grin.
Lets share some brew brew and sit in silence and think about what that could have led to.... <shudders>

We shall rise reformed and take lead file to tell the world about our enlightenment whilst listening to the music in our ears..... wink

Pixel Sat 23-Feb-13 18:49:24

Think you've lost me a bit there, but all I can think about when you mention Hobnobs is a big Jammy Dodger for some reason!

Hehehe I sooo love the cryptic non threadpulling code :-)

My evenings entertainment (too poor for a social life these days haha)

Keep it coming guys eagerly awaiting more of those secretive noblets to come out the closet grin

Mirage Sat 23-Feb-13 21:00:41

I'm thinking of opening a bakery,what do you lot think of the name,'MySoftCobs?' Or a website listing approved tradesmen 'MySafeJobs'? Or a shoe shop,'MySafeClogs?'

You might be able to tell that I've had a lot of time on my hands today.grin

VicarInaTutu Sat 23-Feb-13 22:02:09

grin that is all. wink

dikkertjedap Sat 23-Feb-13 22:07:21

I still don't understand who those cutlets are? Do they get any money out of it, ie promotion fee or discounts on goods or services?

minx67 Sun 24-Feb-13 00:30:55

You're just a very small group of sad obsessed ladies, it's almost laughable, the only way you would know about 'music to my ears' 'hot showers' and comments about hoodies is if you have been watching the videos....of which 14,000 odd people enjoy greatly, what I can't understand is if you think it's all so terrible, why do you keep watching them ???? I suggest you try and find something else to do with your time other than your usual childish name calling, mind you, I suppose once you've watched your daily fix of Jeremy Kyle and catch ups of the only way is essex there's not much else you can do. I'm only guessing this is what you lot watch, because in reading your silly posts, it speaks volumes about your mentality and your IQ levels.
Lastsaloon, independent? informed? that's the last thing you would be described as. Maybe get yourselves little jobs, even some charity work, anything that would mean you're contributing something decent to society rather than your jealous rants at a very large community of people who are very happy and supportive of each other. Oh, and Dikk?? no, you probably never will understand
It must be a very very long time since you lot have bullied people in the playground, perhaps its time to grow up now.

Pixel Sun 24-Feb-13 00:49:31

No the nutcutlets don't get a staff discount, not even off their uniforms. They are as moths to a flame <poetic>.

(is this still cryptic enough?).

disliketrolls Sun 24-Feb-13 01:25:29

A lone coblet ,yes I will go with that because I do not need help standing up to childish bullies ,and you are very childish ,think you are being clever with your not so funny "CRYPTIC" innuendos,seriously grow up !!! and yes the thread got pulled because of the copy and paste stuff ,I have an email from Mumsnet to prove it admittidly there were other reasons as well , I will leave you all to carry on you obviously need to amuse each other ,what sad lives you must live

dikkertjedap Sun 24-Feb-13 01:34:30

Horse lovers are often enthusiastic, driven, mainly talk horse etc. but cutlets on the other hand seem kind of evangelical and totally focused on their SPECIAL ONE.

minx67 Sun 24-Feb-13 01:39:12

Dislike, they've been banned from everywhere else, they've got to offload their obsession somewhere !! pmsl

lastsaloonNelson Sun 24-Feb-13 09:30:09

Soooo,we're not allowed to form an opinion about a certain little safe sect,but it's perfectly ok for them to pass judgement on anyone who happens to see it as a silly little clutch of women who are desperate to belong to a pretend 'pony-club' (is that a safe enough way to express myself....) pot anyone? Kettle.
minx67 you seem to know me very well (intrigued). Yeah I spend my days watching Jeremy Kyle,TOWIE and other informative documentaries grin on a loop. I'm so bored after running my business,caring for my DC,DH,DPets and DHorse that I fill my time with teasing HobNobs as I find it gives me a laugh and they are so easy to hook.
Keep them coming,I find it helps me wind down at the end of yet another exciting day. Looking forward to your,no doubt witty, reply.
O and btw I wasn't aware I was banned from anywhere but please fill me in,I wouldn't want to go somewhere I wouldn't be welcome.

<hands MNHQ aglet at the end of the Thread>

lastsaloonNelson Sun 24-Feb-13 09:41:29

O and minx if you find you are often plagued by the affliction where you lose control over your bodily functions when you burst out in spontaneous laughter (does it happen when you cough too?) I would get myself to a GP as there is not much they can't fix these days.
Whilst you wait for this to happen may I recommend a product called Tena that will help you in these sometimes embarrassing moments.

It's a very common affliction in your age group,nothing to be ashamed of.

Just easy on the brew for now. wink

See we are on the whole quite a caring lot you know.

HTH

WillowKnicks Sun 24-Feb-13 10:32:55

What very strange posts from minx.

We're obsessed?? So it's OK for you to read & comment on this thread...but if we put anything on 'her who shall remain nameless' page, it's instantly pulled?? Right...OK??!!confused.

You said if we don't like the videos, don't watch them...well if you don't like what we write, then don't read it, right back at ya grin

Anyway, enough of this twaddle, I'm tearing myself away from Jezza Kyle to groom (yep so much time on hands that I ALWAYS groom before riding, unlike somewink) my horse & dd's pony for a lovely, sunday afternoon hack.

Enjoy your video grin

lastsaloonNelson Sun 24-Feb-13 11:27:49

Have a great time today willow and yes I do think it's very important to groom before a ride,not only to prevent any tack rubbing but also to check for any nicks,cuts,lumps or bumps you might otherwise not have noticed.

You'd think that would be quite a crucial part of caring for a horse's well being especially as any drastic change in temperament/behaviour can hinge on having a cheek piece a notch too high/low,but hey what do I know.

Off to play with the grown-ups now (can only tolerate whiny/needy kids for SO long...) wink

Pixel Sun 24-Feb-13 12:14:36

I'm still struggling to work out what is so wrong with C&Ping names that are already on the internet in plain sight. It's not a leaked secret document.

dikkertjedap Sun 24-Feb-13 12:16:21

I take the feel very insecure. Plus most sects are kind of defensive and secretive.

lastsaloonNelson Sun 24-Feb-13 12:57:15

Pixel it might have something to do with being a member of a club and you'd rather not have people knowing about that? Let's face it it's never nice to discover you have been taken for a ride with your eyes open is it?

How can you not see it when you are so openly being fleeced? First you become a member,then they form an 'in-crowd' that can only see the 'special vids' after having paid £4.99 a month (nice little earner). You invite people to come and join you and ride the horses for you and then you print off vouchers that people can buy for £50 a piece to do the same!! Genius business plan if you ask me.

I'm normally all for letting people get on with it,their time,their money.
I only got involved when all these threads kept getting pulled because the HobNobs went wining to HQ every time the Queen Mum got mentioned in a slightly less than favourable light.

Freedom of speech remember,it's a right that has to be treasured,monitored and defended at all cost.

None of us has been slanderes/rude or anything like that,still we get silenced for merely voicing our opinions/experiences.I don't take to that kindly I'm afraid.

dikkertjedap Sun 24-Feb-13 13:15:53

You see, that is why I expected that the cutlets might be in it for something in exchange, i.e. free horse riding, free lessons, whatever it may be.

lastsaloonNelson Sun 24-Feb-13 13:55:20

No Dikkertjedap it's all about the need to belong .......... and the exploitation of that ;) A psychologist would have a field day with that lot,trust me ...... ishooos galore.
Btw,hope you don't mind me asking,do you have 'forrin' roots by any chance?
Do you sit on the stairs at 6.30am? As a direct result of reading your name, I now have a children's song in my head,that I can't get rid off!! grin

dikkertjedap Sun 24-Feb-13 14:13:19

Yep, I do think that it is a really nice song.

I sing that song every time I read Dikkertjedap's name. How many of us are Dutch here then?? <raises hand>

Oh, and another question (one that hopefully won't get the thread pulled) How many of the nutcutlets have every actually ridden a horse, nevermined owned one?

ever, not every. Damn I wish there was an edit button!

WillowKnicks Sun 24-Feb-13 17:23:12

*I'm normally all for letting people get on with it,their time,their money.
I only got involved when all these threads kept getting pulled because the HobNobs went wining to HQ every time the Queen Mum got mentioned in a slightly less than favourable light.*

That's exactly my feelings. I'm not usually one for p** sing on someone's parade & I'm sure a lot of people get pleasure from the videos, which is great but the censorship of any slightly negative comment, whilst slagging off on the videos customers with a genuine grievance has really put my hackles up TBH!!

lastsaloonNelson Sun 24-Feb-13 18:08:08

BehindLockNumberNine guilty..... grin Do you share my love of thanks ?
Willow Spot on,I was surprised by the strength of my feelings about all this.

We will unfortunately have to wait 'till after midnight for a reply as I noticed the HobNobs only come out at night...... shock

At night on a full moon right grin

I have my wine ready for tonights enteries.

Who'd have thought grooming was an essential part of horse care aye? Never have guessed. [Wink]

Pixel Sun 24-Feb-13 19:01:47

Exactly what Willownicks said. I don't like bullies to get the upper hand, it brings out my stubborn side.

lastsaloonNelson Sun 24-Feb-13 19:09:18

Yet we are being portrayed as the bullies eh Pixel confused

Agree completely with what Willow said.
And (being charitable) I can completely see the appeal of the videos, it allows people like me (who have not ridden for years for various health related reasons) to have an 'armchair' ride.
But the gullability of some hobnobs, and the way they cannot see their beloved queen biscuit is acting somewhat unfairly was grating. Add to that the running to mnhq every time something was said really stuck in my throat.

Anyroad, have had a lovely half term, dd has spent a fair bit of it at the stables and has come home full of the joys of all the new things she has learnt and the independence she has been given by the lovely yard owner and riding instructors.

If she keeps up like this I will commence operation Cobby Solid Pony for dd within the next year. (and even if I never ride again, I shall once again be involved in caring for and loving a horse and I cannot wait! grin)

lastsaloon purple tulips are my fave, they featured prominently in my wedding bouquet and I just cannot get enough of them!

50BalesOfHay Sun 24-Feb-13 19:15:22

Oi lastsaloonNelson, with the incontinence remarks at older women. Sorry, but not having that. <knickersstilldryatfiftyone>

Pixel Sun 24-Feb-13 19:31:14

Me too 50 as long as we don't count trampolining

Mirage Sun 24-Feb-13 19:44:09

He he! I agree.I've got no problems with people getting their kicks from watching videos or joining a club.But have a hatred of bullying and injustice and do not like being told what I can and can't say.Brings me out all bloody minded and stubborn.

VicarInaTutu Sun 24-Feb-13 21:13:24

so....if i have this right then.
If we post something "unfavourable" on noblet page we get pulled and we get banned. So all looks sweetness and light on there then.

and they can hunt in packs scouring the entire interweb for these comments and whine until they are pulled and we get called sad and without lives? dont think im the one sniffing around every forum just waiting for someone to diss the queen....

and last i checked i had a job. a full time one and everything.

mmmmmmm.

by the way the shoe shop is just 'safe clogs', the bakers needs renaming "softcobs" - no "my" in front of it....thats a different shop entirely....

I can't trampoline for toffee, well not unless i wear incontinence pads, granny knickers and have spare clothes at the ready blush

(we will ignore the fact that my norks knock me out on the first bounce)

WillowKnicks Sun 24-Feb-13 21:53:01

Yep vicarthat's about it in a nutshell...and we get accused of having no life for commenting on a forum when ermmm what are they doing on Queen Poops page grin.

I can even see that they didn't want their little world page being sullied by truth negativity, fair enough (even though it's a public forum...allegedly) but let us have our say on here, within the law of course (suck upto mnhq there lol)

disliketrolls Sun 24-Feb-13 21:56:34

I "come out at night " because I work lateshift this being the exception because its my day off ,its quite amusing just how much you sugar coat each other ... whatever floats your boat I suppose, will leave you to you own devices its getting tedious now ,children dont act as silly as you lot do.I will say this though I dont go rounding up other coblets to agree with me my words are mine and mine alone ,I dont feel the need to "hunt in packs " maybe I should change my name to lonewolf or something ..............

VicarInaTutu Sun 24-Feb-13 22:01:04

"my words are mine and mine alone".....deep man.

smile

Sugarcoat eachother? Mmm, nope, this is a nest of vipers dontcha know...

VicarInaTutu Sun 24-Feb-13 22:09:16

i thought sugar coating each other sounded a bit kinky....grin

Now now, that is a topic for friday night surely? grin

WillowKnicks Sun 24-Feb-13 22:12:45

quite amusing just how much you sugar coat each other

That comment made me join behind&
I very nearly did a little wee!! Old kettle & pot again.

lastsaloonNelson Sun 24-Feb-13 22:19:22

High five! brew 's all round. We have our thread back. Just for your information ........ I have a terrible sweet tooth grin grin

Managed to not get thread pulled!! <hands out chocs>

VicarInaTutu Sun 24-Feb-13 22:20:44

pot, kettle, came to my mind too strangely enough.

no solidarity on the noblet page then? oh...no just fawning sycophants. not sugar coating in sight....oh. hang on a minute....

disliketrolls Sun 24-Feb-13 22:50:04

Nope its you lot who have the brown noses ,carry on dont let me interupt your sucking up to each other. I dislike trolls and refuse to feed you any longer (I have a life ,a very good one )and I will not waste any more time on sad individuals or your little clicky group ... Would like to say its been nice conversing but it hasn't its been like being back in the playground although as I have said you are worse than children at least children have time to change and regret things you are supposed to be ADULT try acting like one !

saintmerryweather Sun 24-Feb-13 23:12:20

I agree with disliketrolls shock it is like being back at school.

On one side you have all the bitchy girls who are so busy trying to suck up to the "Queen Bee" they can't see that they way they are behaving is wrong, and that they are also to blame for the bullying and the wrong doing. Then you have the ones who don't fit in because of their beliefs, or just because of how they are, but who are secure enough in themselves to stand up for what is right and to help others see that too.

I know which side of the playground I'd rather be on. Oh and just so you know, although I'm on Mumsnet, I'm single with no children, mid 20's and work full time. So not a bored housewife out to cause trouble then?

WillowKnicks Sun 24-Feb-13 23:15:42

Well, whatever your opinion of us & our lives & tastes in TV hmm, you have had your say & your comments have been allowed to stand. Oh & by the way troll hunting is breaking mnhq guidelines...aww I'm telling on you!!!! grin

VicarInaTutu Sun 24-Feb-13 23:54:44

so this is very much a case of whats good for the goose not being whats good for the gander then troll

i thought you said you were going?

self imposed - not like getting banned and prevented from saying your piece though is it?

very unlike the noblets then. Here difference of opinion tends to be allowed. Arf at clicky group - do you understand the word "irony" at all?

lastsaloonNelson Mon 25-Feb-13 00:04:26

Well I see it this way,at least I and the others on here are not just out to silence anyone just because we don't agree with them. I'd like to think I have enough ammunition to back up my argument and a strong enough backbone to carry whatever you throw at me.
Yeah I may have come up with some childish remarks,but you have to adapt to the language that's used in an argument in order to be heard. I'm fluent in 5 languages so my brain is used to that exercise.

There have been comments,and dare I say personal attacks,on here by you disliketrolls, that would have easily justified deletion by HQ,but I'm a grown up so find it easy enough to brush them aside.

Just out of curiosity trolls how do you deal with people in real life when they disagree with you or differ in opinion? When there's no HQ to delete the conversation?

I don't know where you get the idea from that we 'suck up to each other' either.
People agreeing with each other and pulling together to stand up to a bully isn't quite the same in my book.

If you hang around in 'the tack room' for a bit you may see the same people that are agreeing on this page disagreeing on a different subject. It's called an exchange of opinions.Read up some time,who knows,you might learn something.

I for one often find it very interesting and believe it or not I only very rarely comment.I read and learn. Just felt strong enough about this particular 'event' to feel the need to get involved.

I wish you well troll despite everything. Change your name/attitude,join in and who knows you might see the light one day.

Just putting it out there....

I wonder troll... do you actually own a ' hobnobs' horse?

saintmerryweather Mon 25-Feb-13 20:22:31

theres an interesting video on youtube of someone getting on a horse after 6 weeks of being in the field and riding it out straight away and expecting it to behave. thought this wasnt the done thing according to the experts???

Pixel Mon 25-Feb-13 20:41:55

Is it this one? He's absolutely stunning! (the rider is good too).

:-0 wish mine behaved that well after even 3 weeks off!!! We went out on Monday & spent the whole ride jogging sideways & putting in mini bucks. Give her her dues though she didn't go anywhere even though she reaaaallllly wanted too!

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