To buy from a dealer?

(51 Posts)
pipsy76 Wed 24-Oct-12 19:07:38

Hi looking for some sensible heart not head advice please!

I have just got back to riding after a 3 year break and am loving it. I think I would like to get my own horse again I've not owned one since I was a teenager, I found a fantastic flexible livery yard a mile from my house, but now its just finding the right horse. I'll be mostly hacking I guess often on my own so I know I mustn't over horse myself and scare myself off riding.

I know I want an approximately 16hh Irish Sports horse as these are the types I have enjoyed riding the most in the past. I hacked out today and both the horses on the hack were recent irish imports and as good as gold.

I've seen some beautiful horse's that fit the bill at Kent Horse Producers, but basically that's if the description really is honest.

Any thoughts on buying from dealers in general, or could anyone please PM me if you've experience of Kent Horse producers, ta!

mrslaughan Wed 24-Oct-12 19:39:42

There is a lady who has a business called safe cobs on Facebook (she also has an Internet site) - but nearly everyday she posts a video of her working with the horses that she is "training". I don't know if anyone has any experience with her or her horses - I don't, but it certainly gives me a little more faith in her horses, as she seems to talk quite honestly about them.
Now admittedly they are cobs, not irish sport horse, but it might be worth a look?
From a business point of view I think it is a really interesting/clever marketing technique .

mrslaughan Wed 24-Oct-12 19:40:38

PS - I also wonder about dealers and have looked at the kent horse producers and wondered about them

pipsy76 Wed 24-Oct-12 20:04:54

Thanks MrsLaughan, I'll take a look at the safe cobs, perhaps she might do safe sports horses as well smile

Ponyofdoom Wed 24-Oct-12 20:51:00

Buying from a dealer you have more choice and facilities and it is a safer bet because you have consumer protection ie Sales of Goods Act, whereas you have little come back from a private sale unless they lied about something, but its still harder. Best to find out what that dealer is like though. Maybe ask on Horse and Hound forum?

saintmerryweather Wed 24-Oct-12 21:35:57

hho forum members arent allowed to comment on dealers but they can pm you or you can search the dealers names and see if anything comes up. clip clop traders in e sussex seem to have a very good reputation and get some beautiful horses in

Charliefox Wed 24-Oct-12 22:24:41

Second the recommendation for clip clop traders. Got an excellent rep.

DorsetKnob Wed 24-Oct-12 22:51:50

sent you a PM

snowpo Wed 24-Oct-12 23:33:32

Also PM re Kent Horse Producers

SilverSky Thu 25-Oct-12 03:48:49

Don't be afraid to visit several times. HHO is a great forum. Def ask there.

pipsy76 Thu 25-Oct-12 11:57:22

Thanks for all your replies and PM's, i'll take a look at the sources you've all recommended ta!

Charliefox Thu 25-Oct-12 13:28:47
pipsy76 Thu 25-Oct-12 14:49:14

thanks for the link charliefox, I've just emailed equineagents after reading a good thread about them on HH, it seems they might have a suitable horse, has anyone any experience of them?

countingto10 Thu 25-Oct-12 19:53:19

Try Julia at Southgate Farm - she has a very good reputation and has some good sorts (got my mare from her a couple of yrs ago and a friend has recently bought a lovely Irish draught type from her)

Whichever way you go, take your time and don't be hurried into making a decision. It's an emotional purchase and it's easy to get carried away, but be prepared to walk away if you are not absolutely 100% happy. Get someone else to come with you too - even better if they can ride it as well.

razzdazz Sat 27-Oct-12 23:20:47

Have pm you

Booboostoo Sun 28-Oct-12 15:35:23

As with all professions there are good dealers and bad dealers. The good ones have a reputation to protect, will try to match you with the right horse and will look after you if there are problems, but the best way to find them is word of mouth.

Whoever you go to make absolutely certain that you visit with your instructor, that the owner gets on first, that you try out all the things you would normally want to do with the horse and you buy sensibly. Despite the crisis reliable horses have still kept their value because they are what everyone wants, so if you get offered something that sounds too good to be probably isn't!

pipsy76 Mon 29-Oct-12 06:11:45

Those of you who have mentioned safe cobs, do you mean this or mysafe cobs ? Mysafe cobs has a lovely sports horse type and I really love the natural horsemanship videos on the website, I have ridden this way in Australia the Pirelli stuff really makes sense. But I'm confused as to which trader people are recommending

SilverSky Mon 29-Oct-12 06:36:36

I would say that many dealers sell young horses 5-8yrs old with varying educations. So be prepared to continue that education with an instructor unless you have the relevant experience yourself.

If you are looking for a schoolmaster type then it's worth trawling HorseQuest or checking your local riding club classified sections on their websites.

Backinthebox Mon 29-Oct-12 07:25:46

I've bought 3 horses in recent years from dealers. None of them were advertised as being sold by dealers, ie the dealer's name was not plastered all over the advert. I picked 2 of them out of the 1000s of horses for sale as they looked the best examples. One of them I went to see a black mare, which didn't suit me. So the dealer asked me what my perfect horse was - I was very specific, and what I was after was quite unusual, moon on a stick kind of thing, and by chance she had a horse out the back that met all my criteria bar one thing. (Silver Sky will vouch for what a find my current little horse is!)

I've been delighted with all 3 of them, and on each occasion the dealer has been a pleasure to deal with, very professional, knowledgable and polite. I am still in contact with 2 of them, the 3rd one died some years ago. They all gave very accurate and honest descriptions of the horses they were selling. Conversely I have dealt with some private sellers over the years who have been out to hide their horses foibles and pull a fast one. (One even dyed scarring on the horse's legs and sedated it when we collected it.) I think dealers have to have very high standards these days. There are still cowboys out there, but that happens in all walks of life, car dealers, estate agents etc.

Bizarrely I would not actually seek out a dealer to buy a horse from, but that's just the way things have turned out with mine!

Booboostoo Mon 29-Oct-12 11:00:57

Dealers should identify themselves as such as the buyer has different rights when buying from a dealer than a private home. I would be wary of a dealer who tried to hide the fact that they were dealers. It's always worth googling the phone number on the ad to check how many horses the person has for sale and there are some facebook groups where people share experiences of dodgey dealers.

mrslaughan Mon 29-Oct-12 14:52:01

it was just safe cobs

saintmerryweather Mon 29-Oct-12 17:55:51

safecobs and mysafecobs used to be the same dealership till the 2 women running it went their seperate ways.

razzdazz Mon 29-Oct-12 22:05:29

Yes, my vote was also for grin

SilverSky Tue 30-Oct-12 16:24:50

Indeed box's hoss is a cracker! grin He ticks all the boxes. grin

mrslaughan Sun 04-Nov-12 19:25:59

Pipsy76 - you will have to tell us what you do, who you end up buying from... Would love to hear your experiences (live vicariously through you......)

Badleg Sun 04-Nov-12 20:35:02

Really rate Emma Hinkley at clip clop traders I bought my lw coloureds how cob from her and he has been a star in every way.

She is the only dealer I would ever use or recommend.

I have lots of Friends who have used her. They all have lovely Irish types and fantastic all rounders.

pipsy76 Fri 23-Nov-12 14:49:52

Update- It looked for a while like I no longer had a livery space so I put my search on hold for a while, however it looks like I'm now back in the game and may have a space!!

I am pretty much incapable of independent thought these days and make all my decisions after seeking the wisdom of mumsnet (no really!). So I've rung Julia at Southgate farm and may be looking at the lovely Nev next week, I also love the look of Troy at safecobs, yes I know nothing like an ISH but anyway! I have yet to ring clipclop but like the look of charlie. Thanks for all your recommendations, these dealers all seem to have an honest reputation. I'll keep you posted.

Equimum Fri 23-Nov-12 14:58:28

H, sorry, no experience of the Kent dealer you mention, but can support advice to try both Julia at Southgate Farm and Emma at Clip Clop Traders. We're based at a big livery yard/ riding school and most of the non-competition horses come from one of these two. I know Julia has recently supplied a couple of fab ISH to people at the yard which are exactly what they sold as. She also has a good trial facility and was more than willing to do an exchange of be horse that didn't work out (not her fault; rider was over-optimistic about her ability with a young horse). Clip Clop meanwhile have sold some lovely cobby horses to both liveries and the riding school, all of which seem very genuine.

mrslaughan Fri 23-Nov-12 20:48:54

Oh I like the look of troy too - I hope you get him, he seems fab!

razzdazz Fri 23-Nov-12 21:42:54

I met the very cute and EVEN more lovely in RL Troy when I went down to try my now new and very lovely mare at safecobs.
I have had a recent not so good experience with clip clop, that though of course, is just MY experience and there are many on here that support them. You can't please all of the people all of the time wink

mrslaughan Fri 23-Nov-12 23:16:33

Oh Razzdazz - are you Brandy's new Mum? who else has gone recently......thinking....thinking.......or Maggie!!!!!!!
So excited ......and so a nice way of course

pipsy76 Sat 24-Nov-12 16:11:36

Wow razzdaz you are like a famous celebrity nowgrin I love watching the daily safecobs Facebook soap opera!

razzdazz Sat 24-Nov-12 23:01:52

Lol!!! Should i really reveal my true RL identity to mumsnetters wink. I still watch the videos daily and my mare is a total delight (though still early days). Will you be joining the new coblets club??? grin

mrslaughan Sun 25-Nov-12 18:59:28

Yep - I think i'll join the club. You will have to keep us posted as to how your mare goes.....

pipsy76 Wed 05-Dec-12 22:04:29

I'm going to try out an actual real horse tomorrow. 16hh bay gelding ISH 13yrs has done some dressage and eventing is being sold as a real schoolmaster,not with a dealer but private, I'm really nervous as I'm going alone, erm come looking for me if I don't return cheers wink

mrslaughan Wed 05-Dec-12 22:14:46

Oh good luck - very jealous!

pipsy76 Fri 07-Dec-12 06:42:02

Going back again today as believe it or not there was too much snow to ride yesterday!

I met the horse and seller though and am pleased as she has honestly described his vices, he really does not like being groomed! I'm hoping all the positive descriptions of how he goes in the saddle are also correct. He also has seedey toe, does anyone have any experience of this? Thanks!

JJ70 Sat 08-Dec-12 12:44:59

PLEEEEEASE don't buy from these dealers without getting a bit of word of mouth first. Check out the Epona stars page on facebook. There are many other pages on facebook that deal with rogue horse dealers and scammers. Try Horse scammers also.

horse123456789 Fri 02-Aug-13 18:09:54

You put this post up a while ago, but I'll have a go anyway smile Basically, my opinion is that it's fine to go to dealers, but make sure that you are wary and also make sure that either you are experienced in the horsey market or you have someone with you who is! I generally think that it is best to go to highly recommended dealers just to be safe. I've been to so many dodgy dealers, so I try to stay away from them, but there are good, honest dealers out there! About Kent Horse Dealers, personally, I would steer clear of them because I have heard far too many stories about them, but it's up to you. Also, it's hard to find a dealer who floats everyone's boat!!
Good luck anyway! smile

Think pipsy got a horse in the end horse.... if I remember correctly it was troy from safe cobs?
It was a long time ago so I could be wrong...

Not sure if we're allowed to mention the 'safe cobs' word on mumsnet any more haha

Pixel Fri 02-Aug-13 21:42:57

Do you mean The Cob Company?

think they had to change their name because it wasn't true

<whistles innocently>

Actually I was wondering the other day about Troy. We haven't heard any more so I assume no news is good news. Hope so anyway! He did look lovely.

Lovesswimming Fri 02-Aug-13 22:59:21

sits on hands to avoid long rant

Would be nice to know how she's getting on

theres got to be at least one sucsess story somewhere

Lovesswimming Sat 03-Aug-13 08:35:04

So far so good chocolate :-) last message I got last week was along the line of "she's doing really well, I can't believe she was sold to you as suitable for a nervous novice as she needs a really competent rider, she's got a cracking jump on her and she's lovely."
My lad missed her the 1st week but he's now attached like glue to my daughters pony grin

mrslaughan Sat 03-Aug-13 10:58:40

who did you have loves? Maggie? or one of the other ones.....I lost track

Lovesswimming Sat 03-Aug-13 11:30:34

It was Brandy mrslaughan, she left me fit, weight on (still trim though) healthy but even after professional re-training still with the tendency to bronc (and I mean bronc) nothing her new home can't deal with which is great.
I haven't heard from maggies owner for a while, last time I did Maggie was being schooled and brought on by someone who could help with her behaviour.

pipsy76 Sat 03-Aug-13 19:33:25

Hi all I see the thread is going again!

Troy has overall been a really good boy. He's excellent to handle, safe to have the kids around etc. good lead rein pony now works in a lovely outline and is great to jump. Now for the bad, he's mega spooky when its windy and not so good solo hacking plus has a habit of bucking on canter transitions!

Overall he's been great for me to get back into horses again, he's a real softie on the ground and comes to be caught! He managed to jump the electric tape in the field twice the other day though!

He is dinky and long term I'm not sure if I should look for a horse instead but I would miss him if he weren't around blush

However he nearly bucked me off today, I think it's the new grass! I think he'd make an excellent pony club pony.

Pixel Sun 04-Aug-13 00:12:13

I'm glad to hear you still have him and are getting on well, despite his little foibles. smile
Although your post does illustrate the point that basically he isn't a novice ride and if you were a beginner rather than 'getting back into horses' after a relatively short break you would be telling a different story!

lovebeansontoast Sun 04-Aug-13 10:11:50

To be fair, I don't think you bought him as a "beginner" ride, did you Pipsy? As I remember Troy was a 2 rather than a 1 star horse. I have a friend who bought two from "Safecobs", a two star for her, as she rides well but likes something quiet, and a one star for her beginner husband. The one star, an irish draught you could have put anyone on. She was really really easy, whereas hers, a lovely bay cob, was sparkier. She was easy but not a complete novice ride. However she had loads of fun with her.

I also think with hacking out on their own, some horses, and I'd include mine here, need to do it regularly or they lose it a bit. There are horses who just do it naturally, but not all.

I don't know if its section d's in general as I know there are all sorts of section ds, but mine is a lot like Troy, as I remember him when you bought him Pipsy, but a 15hh version, and sounds very similar in temperament. smile

pipsy76 Sun 04-Aug-13 12:42:46

Yes you are quite right he was sold as a 2 star not 1 star. I was told he sometimes got strong in canter, which I haven't really found, however I had to discover the bucks myselfwink

I do solo hack him about once a week, he's certainly not nappy but much less brave, more spooky alone as you'd expect reallygrin

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