why can't I sell my very nice horse????

(80 Posts)
MiggleMoo Tue 25-Sep-12 13:12:12

My horse is a 16.2hh, 13yr old, WB. amazing to handle, angel on the ground and in saddle. She is a forward going ride but never bucks, rears, bolts etc. Super safe on the roads and the sort you could have a good gallop on and still stop at the other end. She is a superb hack but her schooling probably needs more work if you wanted to compete her. She is never going to win Hickstead, or jump around badminton but she is a good, nice, safe sort.
I am selling her due to a number of reasons but mainly loss of grazing and not being able to afford livery, and another baby on the way.
I don't even feel I am asking a lot for her £1450 with everything in, so why am i either getting time wasters or complete idiots phoning - where am I going wrong. I really need to sell her asap, but I will not sell her to a home I don't feel is suitable.
It is all very stressful, would welcome anyones advice!?
Is anything moving in the current market - is she too much (or too little and that is putting people off!)

Abbicob Tue 25-Sep-12 13:42:09

Maybe she is too cheap and so you are getting the wrong sort of people ringing?

MiggleMoo Tue 25-Sep-12 13:48:21

Thanks for the response, I did wonder that but I know she isn't a competition horse and she is getting on a bit in years so didn't want to price her out the market. It is so impossible to tell at the moment!!!

Wolfiefan Tue 25-Sep-12 13:54:36

She sounds lovely. I thought she sounded cheap too. (No expert!) did you mention in ad she needs schooling? People may read that as she won't work in a school at all. Have you got a good pic? Is she a chestnut mare?!?
Wishing I had time for a horse of my own!

Frontpaw Tue 25-Sep-12 13:58:46

Have you tried Waitrose?... Are any of the callers making an offer? Do you need to sell though or are you secretly relieved that no-one is buying?

MiggleMoo Tue 25-Sep-12 14:02:59

Thanks Wolfie, she is lovely. But no she isn't chestnut, sorry! This is the advert http://www.horsemart.co.uk/all_rounder_horse_13_yrs_16_2_hh_dark_bay_kent/advert/246585

Honestly frontpaw I'd love to be secretly relieved but we are going through a really rough financial time and I really need to sell her. Feel stuck!

Frontpaw Tue 25-Sep-12 14:04:24

Can you rent her out? Im not very horsey but that sounds logical to me! Maybe a riding school would stable her for lessons for a bit.

MiggleMoo Tue 25-Sep-12 14:04:25

I am really honest with people who phone up and include all her good points and bad. but I just seem to get either complete novices or nutters!!!

MiggleMoo Tue 25-Sep-12 14:05:41

Thanks Frontpaw yes that is something that is done, loans to people/ riding schools etc. I would rather sell as we need the money but it may well be an option if it carries on like this!

Tamoo Tue 25-Sep-12 14:07:37

Are you only advertising in the one place? I'd try at least four or five places.

Also bear in mind that we're just coming into winter which I expect is a slower time of year.

She did sound cheap to me (sounds lovely though, will PM you if I win anything on the lottery this weekend).

ledlights Tue 25-Sep-12 14:10:58

Sounds a bit cheap to me, people might think there is something wrong with her (I would!). Where have you advertised? Maybe you could add some more detail to the ad to explain why she is so cheap? A friend of mine sold her lovely but very average cob earlier in the year for double the money. She had loads of calls and first person to view bought him and picked him up next day without vetting. She was also very picky as she wanted a good home for her boy so had to tell lots of people that they weren't suitable.

MiggleMoo Tue 25-Sep-12 14:11:50

Thanks Tammo, I've advertised her on various facebook sites, in local tack shops and horsemart. I think the winter thing play a huge part. Just makes a harder decision harder as it feels like this unresolved thing I can't sort.

ledlights Tue 25-Sep-12 14:17:44

Ok, just had a look at the advert. Maybe if you don't want novices calling add something about her not being a novice ride as she does sound very suitable for a novice in the ad. I think my friend put something about her cob being strong/only for experienced riders to weed out novices/kids but still got some calls from completely unsuitable people as people seem to overestimate their ability/experience. Your horse looks lovely and I would buy her in a flash if I could.

Tamoo Tue 25-Sep-12 14:20:35

You could consider loan as an option although I'm aware this has its own complications.

It might not hurt putting a free ad on Gumtree, there tends to be quite a few timewasters and it's not a specifically horsey site but it's quick to do and will get more traffic than tack shops. I advertised looking for a horse share on there once and although nothing worked out in the end I got a lot of responses from genuine people.

MiggleMoo Tue 25-Sep-12 14:21:29

thanks for looking at it ledlights, it is difficult to describe, she would suit a novice but not a complete novice, i.e. she has no vices and behaves herself but she is forward going and will respond to a squeeze from the legs etc, so she wouldn't suit someone who didn't know the basics. I could add another sentence into the advert. cheers for looking at it, so helpful to have some feedback! smile

FancyPuffinsSockPuppet Tue 25-Sep-12 14:28:05

Disclaimer I have not bought or sold a horse in 10 years so things have probably changed grin

If I was looking at that ad with a view to buying, honestly her being described as forward going and would suit a confident novice to experienced rider and could use schooling to bring her on combined with her low price would make me think that she a bit of a nutter.

Not saying for a second that she is! But it's a bit like dating ads, everyone is a smartarse reads between the lines.

N0tinmylife Tue 25-Sep-12 14:39:07

Just looked at your ad, there is a bit on the side that says "tags" which I took to mean what searches would bring up your advert. Two of them were, "cheap horses for sale," and "first horse" which could explain why you are getting some of the types of enquiries you've said.

That said, when I was looking for a horse on loan recently, I found it an absolute nightmare, with people changing their minds, and cancelling on me. I was looking for months, and out of about 20 horses I enquired about, I only managed to see 3. But I did get there eventually. I know that is a completely different situation, but what I am trying to get at is that it only takes one genuine person, so hopefully you just need to stick with it!

MiggleMoo Tue 25-Sep-12 14:39:56

thanks Fancy thats really interesting as she really isn't a nutter at all!!! anyone got any suggestions of re-wording?

This post is proving to be very useful - thanks all!!

MiggleMoo Tue 25-Sep-12 14:40:44

Cheers Notinmylife

seeker Tue 25-Sep-12 14:46:03

Yes -"forward going " and "needs schooling" are the horsey equivalent of "deceptively spacious" and "needs some renovation"!!!

alwaysGOLD Tue 25-Sep-12 14:48:57

She sounds nice to me smile maybe try a different website. Horsequest has a under 3k section
I would up the price to me she sounds worth more.

How about "would be suitable for a competent (sorry i cant think how to spell it!) Novice but not a true beginners horse"

MiggleMoo Tue 25-Sep-12 14:49:23

Have edited advert... thanks for the advice!

Because most people who reply to horse ads are either Novices or nutters! Most experienced horse people have plenty of choice through word of mouth maybe?
We sold a little welsh A. They were all bonkers! One woman wanted a lead rein saint, so she could take her 4yo hunting, leading off her 16 hander. The poor little bastard couldnt stand upright with his hat on. It took 2 of us to stop him sliding off the pony!

thixotropic Tue 25-Sep-12 14:49:41

Nothing useful to add, but will pm you if I win lottery!
She looks gorgeous.

MiggleMoo Tue 25-Sep-12 14:51:24

Thanks you GOLD I like that sentence! and it is the truth. smile

MiggleMoo Tue 25-Sep-12 14:53:15

Very true Saggy! I have sent the word out amongst my horsey friends but I rather unconnected nowadays since I stopped being on a yard, stopped competing or going to riding clubs etc. Hopefully the perfect owner will turn up soon!

alwaysGOLD Tue 25-Sep-12 14:58:38

Oh good smile glad i could help a little bit! She does sound nice really do hope you get better saner people responding this time

strictlycaballine Tue 25-Sep-12 15:03:54

Yes, agree there is very little wrong with your ad. Very genuine - and that comes across. Maybe describe her as "confidence giver"?

She is lovely btw. If I was 10 years younger, 3 stone lighter and didn't live in a city ....

Mirage Tue 25-Sep-12 15:33:38

Try Preloved and the Pony Club website.I mustn't look at her ad because I can't have a horse until I sort DD2 out with a pony.smile

I think you have underpriced her-people will be wondering what issues she has at that price.If you up the price then you will attract fewer numpties and have room to negotiate for the right buyer if need be.

ledlights Tue 25-Sep-12 16:00:38

Agreed. I think if I was looking (I wish I was...) for a horse like yours I would probably be looking in the 2-3k category. You can always lower the price for the right person. Don't despair, my friend had tons and tons of calls (despite having been brutally honest, imo way too negative, in her advert) but it only took one right person to view and buy. I wouldn't put 'confidence giver' on the advert, that will really draw in the beginners! Don't forget, it's not just describing the horse but the new home you want for your horse, too. If you want your horse to go to an experienced home, put it in the advert. There are plenty of experienced, good riders who don't want to compete but want nice, safe horses for hacking. Good luck!

mothermirth Tue 25-Sep-12 17:17:12

Try looking on the 'horses wanted' ads. smile

booksinbed Tue 25-Sep-12 18:38:04

what about ad on prevloved web site...We bought a pony which was 2,5000 and is forward going but which had been put in a harsh bit which weve removed and working on her issues. is learing quickly and is being ridden in differnet way but in a big open space if in canter wd not stop too well.your hourse sounds fab and i personally wd assume if loooking there wd be a reason for her price - so it may be initally be puting folk off.?? my cob cost 800 with teeth problems and tack was 200.she is unbalanced and struggles to get into canter but v sweet nature.good luckx

DolomitesDonkey Tue 25-Sep-12 18:42:11

Tbh, I don't think she's too cheap. It's not a seller's market and she's no spring chicken.

I lost my horse a couple of months ago and I've been offered freebies. People are struggling to pay livery. If you want her sold consider how many months she'd be hanging around before what you'd gain is cancelled out by livery...

MiggleMoo Tue 25-Sep-12 19:09:48

I don't have to pay livery luckily so she costs me very little to keep at the moment. But yes I get your point however i do think she is worth what I have put her up for but think this is a fair price for her.

Interestingly enough had a flurry of interest this evening so hopefully I'll find the right home for her afterall!

WillowKnicks Tue 25-Sep-12 19:14:46

I agree with mothermirth to look in the wanted ads.

I'm in the opposite situation at the moment & looking for a new pony for dd. I was getting a bit despondent with trawling the ads, ringing up & things not what they appeared from the ad. I put a wanted in Preloved, stating EXACTLY what I was looking for. I haven't had many responses but the ones I have had, have been really genuine & one of the top contenders is a pony that I would have totally dismissed but the owner felt he was suitable from my information.

The 2 main websites I look on are Horsemart & Preloved but also look on Adhorse & Horsequest if that helps. Good luck in finding a lovely home for your girl...who is gorgeous btw.

NellyJob Tue 25-Sep-12 19:15:39

no offence I am sure she is lovely but she is 13 and hasn't really done anything or not that you mention anyway, think you might have to reduce your price or consider a loan. People are giving horses away as they are so expensive to keep. Could she live out or would she need stabling?

sleeplessinderbyshire Tue 25-Sep-12 21:02:56

she looks gorgeous and if I were in the market for another horse would be exactly what I'd be looking for however the price seems very suspiciously cheap and with the comment about being forward going and not a beginner's ride would make me anxious that she was a bit crazy. Is it worth being clear in the advert that you are looking for the right home for her? Good luck she looks lovely

Watcha want Nelly? Got a friend selling a bigger pony if your interested?

gordyslovesheep Germany Tue 25-Sep-12 21:27:07

she look beautiful - I'd have her if I won the lottery!

NellyJob Tue 25-Sep-12 22:23:56

I am interested saggy but it's a hell of a drive from yours to mine! Tell me more!! remember I said before about being quite heavy....?

Roseformeplease England Tue 25-Sep-12 22:28:38

Horses are expensive and people can't give many of them away at the moment. A relative runs a small charity rehoming horses. Pm me if you want details.

Wolfiefan Tue 25-Sep-12 22:40:04

She is gorgeous. Love the head shot!

I'll have to ask my friend exact details, it's been a whole since I saw him. Iirc he is 14.2 ish Connemara, good family pony type. How heavy roughly?

NellyJob Tue 25-Sep-12 23:33:57

ooh sounds interesting.....about 13 stone I think...not sure...please do PM me saggy when you have some more details. Cheers!

Thats not heavy! well, not that heavy! ill pm you her number.

Viviennemary Tue 25-Sep-12 23:42:38

I think you have to advertise more widely. Not that I have any experience in selling horses! And look at your price carefully. Also you could trying hyping up your advert. Can't you find a person to share with for the time being.

DolomitesDonkey Wed 26-Sep-12 05:48:15

Why don't you say anything about shoe/box/catch?

Can you get any photos of her really working?

What are her papers? Who's the sire?

Treblesallround Wed 26-Sep-12 08:21:47

Hmmm, DH may need to semi-retire his mare next year and will be looking for sane but reasonably forward, He's only been riding a couple of years and rides a bit like Matin Clunes (he won't mind me saying that) Possibly ok for someone like him? Is she a reasonable weight carrier? where are you?

I've just agreed sale price of our 9 year old connemara/tb who's in need of more schooling, so probably comparable, at £1600 including all tack etc, so you might be a bit under price, but not hugely, it's not an easy market

MiggleMoo Wed 26-Sep-12 08:38:51

Hi
She's dutch warmblood from holland. I've not heard of her sire but she is registered. She's no problem with catching (normally gallops over to you calling), farrier (I keep her barefoot) and boxing etc. I'm not sure what you mean 'really working' I've included two riding photos but she isn't a top comp horse, she is just a really nice all-rounder. :-)

Hey trembles, yes she could carry weight, and we're in kent :-) and I think she'd suit martin clunes down to the ground!!

MiggleMoo Wed 26-Sep-12 08:47:00

Ps thanks all for your honest feedback. It is much appreciated!

Treblesallround Wed 26-Sep-12 08:50:50

You're a bit far away for us, but she sounds lovely. The right person will come along

Stinkyminkymoo Wed 26-Sep-12 09:46:57

2 points if i may, when I bought my first horse 6 years ago, I was a novice and my horse has an excellent home and I would consider myself a good horse owner so don't discount people on the fact they've never had a horse before.

Secondly, I disagree that 13 is 'old' for a horse, I would consider it to be a horses prime. It annoys me that anything over 10yo is deemed as past it.

I'm sure you'll find a good balance with your advert and pricing and find her a good home.

Stinkyminkymoo Wed 26-Sep-12 09:50:17

Ps, just had a look at the advert and think she is lovely, definitely underpriced though!

CalamityKate Wed 26-Sep-12 10:06:35

Can't find the ad! Can someone link please?

DolomitesDonkey Wed 26-Sep-12 11:04:08

Ok, well as a discerning buyer I don't see her working, ridden yes - but not working.

I can get a well bred, well schooled kwpn for not far off that price with a lifetime ahead of it.

I would say "good to trim, catch, load" - if you don't I'd assume she's not!

Gotta be brutal, every time I look at ads I'm astounded by poor pics showing star-gazing or poor outline.

She is a beautiful, beautiful colour. smile

willyoulistentome Wed 26-Sep-12 11:10:27

What about advertising on riding club websites? I agree you aren't asking enough.

She does sound nice. If I didn't already have one I can't afford myself, she sounds lke a hose I would be interested in.

seeker Wed 26-Sep-12 11:17:35

Nice to see some decent pictures- I often wonder why some sellers put pictures on at all- they don't do their horses any favours at all!

Stinkyminkymoo Wed 26-Sep-12 11:45:08

In regards to comments about a horse not having done anything, surely there are people who just want a horse that would school nicely, hack well and possibly do a nice little dressage test?

When I was originally looking I didn't care if a horse had competed at all as long as it didn't try to kill me out hacking and had a good personality, that's all I wanted. A good all rounder has to be worth a decent amount surely?

DolomitesDonkey Wed 26-Sep-12 12:00:09

I agree in theory stinky, but the market is not reflecting that right now.

I can get a happy hacker for free and something with genuine potential for this price, and something quite exceptional for 3k.

I do hope OP can find a suitable buyer, but it's tough right now and as another poster said, horses are charity cases right now. Mine went to the knacker and I was lucky I didn't have to pay them!

TobyLerone Wed 26-Sep-12 12:04:13

I would buy her if I could afford to keep her. She sounds perfect for me, and even in the right area! Now I'm all depressed.

Treblesallround Wed 26-Sep-12 12:15:18

Go on, Toby. The family can live on beans on toast. She'll make you happy smile

TobyLerone Wed 26-Sep-12 12:19:14

Ha! I bet she would. I miss having a horse sad

I would also miss having a house, though grin

Treblesallround Wed 26-Sep-12 12:31:14

Could get a nice lorry to go with your horse and live in that?

TobyLerone Wed 26-Sep-12 12:38:47

grin

CalamityKate Wed 26-Sep-12 16:05:04

Could someone link please?

MiggleMoo Wed 26-Sep-12 16:10:03

Hi calamity,
This is the link to her advert http://www.horsemart.co.uk/all_rounder_horse_13_yrs_16_2_hh_dark_bay_kent/advert/246585

CalamityKate Wed 26-Sep-12 16:38:56

That link won't work for me for some reason! Can I have a clicky one?? Sorry!

CalamityKate Wed 26-Sep-12 16:49:49

Found her! She's lovely. Might know someone who'd be interested and she would be perfect for her.

Butkin Wed 26-Sep-12 18:05:10

Has she done anything at all? If you could say she's hunted (always popular), done X country, any time of local showing/ dressage etc. Doesn't have to be mega impressive just something to show people what she can turn her hoof to. A 13yo without any "history" may put people off because they will probably wonder (quite possibly incorrectly) that she's done nothing or had some issues.

Booboostoo Wed 26-Sep-12 19:22:08

I don't think there is much wrong with your advert but sadly it may be a tough time to sell a horse. It might be worth maximizing your chances by tightening up a bit the wording of the advert and changing the photos.

Suggested wording (use paragraphs if possible to make it read easier):
"162hh, dark bay, rising 13 year old WB by X.

A lovely family horse, Berta has been with us for Y years and is sadly for sale due to family commitments.

Berta is a safe, enjoyable hack, alone or in company, 100% in traffic, snaffle mouthed at all times and easy to stop even in large, open spaces. Never been known to buck, rear or nap, she would be suitable for a competent novice. She does not have competition experience but has nice paces and can work in a basic outline, so might suit someone who would like to introduce her to low level dressage or showing. Good to clip, box and farrier (currently barefoot). She is straight forward to handle, good to catch, not mareish and enjoys being groomed and pampered.

A good, long term home is very important for this special horse."

You may want to add a sentence if she can pop a fence or, even better, has been round a clear round.

Photos: one really nice conformation shot. One hacking shot either right next to traffic or bombing around a big field. One schooling shot BUT make sure she is tracking up, in the current photos she looks quite short which may worry a potential buyer given her age.

I want her envy
Would you trade for 2DCs? not easy to catch and load but showing some progress wink

nomnomdeplume Fri 28-Sep-12 10:28:42

the 'not a true beginners horse' would put me off. I read that as 'she's a nutter'. Sorry.

Plomino Fri 28-Sep-12 17:36:30

She is lovely ! Spitting image of my big lad , so I might be a tad biased though . I am actually keeping an eye out for another , but she 's just that bit too big for both me and daughter, or I'd have bitten off your hand .

I am actually looking for a happy hacker type paragon, and I can't believe how difficult it is to find . I don't want it to win at Wembley , or even do team PC , just something to be my daughters best friend . Everything seems to be either £5k up , or about 3 years old . It's very dispiriting .

CalamityKate Tue 02-Oct-12 15:18:33

Ooh just heard that my friend bought her! Hopefully going over on thurs when she arrives :D

MiggleMoo Wed 03-Oct-12 15:41:33

Cheers for pointing your friends in her direction Calamity, I honestly couldn't have picked out such a good, genuine home for home, so pleased. grin

MiggleMoo Wed 03-Oct-12 15:43:07

That was supposed to say 'for her' not for home!

CalamityKate Wed 03-Oct-12 16:50:21

Yep she's got a good home alright! As soon as I read your OP I thought blimey she sounds perfect and I was right <preen> :D

Landy77 Wed 10-Oct-12 22:00:52

Lovely end to the thread,

KEB123 Tue 16-Oct-12 13:12:45

Yay, I love a happy ending! Hope she enjoys her new home :-)

CalamityKate Tue 16-Oct-12 15:17:31

She's so lovely! Really sweet nature. Making me horse broody.

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