Can teaching ever be 9-5?

(85 Posts)
nappyrat Thu 06-Feb-14 22:09:39

Is it a good option for fitting work around having a family like a lot of people think...or is that just not the case anymore? I hear of teachers doing such long days and so many extra duties. Just wondering if it can really work as well as people say if you have children?

stillenacht Thu 06-Feb-14 22:15:39

I have two boys, only teach part time (.7) and am struggling. I have colleagues with children who are full time, I have no idea how they cope.hmm

Fragglewump Thu 06-Feb-14 22:15:55

Not in my experience no. I leave the house at 7.15 am and get home between 6.30 and 7.30 pm often stressed grumpy and with loads more work to do.

sassytheFIRST Thu 06-Feb-14 22:16:26

Not in term time but the holidays are fab with small children.

Swings and roundabouts ...

Littlefish Thu 06-Feb-14 22:17:04

I would say that during term time, teaching is one of the least family friendly jobs there is.

stillenacht Thu 06-Feb-14 22:17:22

I did 13 hours of marking over the weekend, have about 7 hours to do this's like that every other week (ie I give myself one weekend off out of every three)

Verycold Thu 06-Feb-14 22:17:27

Definitely not 9, school starts earlier than that! I leave home at 8 and get back at 5 twice a week, 4ish the other nights. Work in evening about twice a week, on weekend maybe once a month. 0.8 timetable. Only 15 min commute, very relaxed school.

nappyrat Thu 06-Feb-14 22:18:13

eeek....! Anyone got a more positive experience?

Wolfiefan Thu 06-Feb-14 22:19:02

If the government get their way it will be 10 hour days for all!

stillenacht Thu 06-Feb-14 22:19:22

I do very little marking in the week though....

stillenacht Thu 06-Feb-14 22:20:49

However I still do planning, photocopying, letter and email writing, revision clubs and music clubs in the week over and above teaching.

ShoeWhore Thu 06-Feb-14 22:22:03

My Mum was a teacher. She was in school by 8-8.20 every morning, home at maybe 4.30-5 but then she worked 2-3 hours 4 evenings a week and then all Sunday afternoon and maybe Sunday evening as well.

She didn't work much in the holidays but this was a while ago. The workload hasn't got any lighter.

MrCabDriver Thu 06-Feb-14 22:23:59

I'm on a 0.65 timetable.

Drop my daughter to CM at 8, school is 5 mind away.

3 of my days are half days and I get her at 2.
2 days are full days I get her at 4.30.

I'm dreading going full time once she starts school herself!

Some weeks I'm super organised and don't have much to do in the evenings, but 2 busy days can throw all that out the window!
I definitely think it's a job where organisation is KEY.

GoodnessIsThatTheTime Thu 06-Feb-14 22:24:34

No. It's not about whether its a positive experience or not its simply demands of the job.

If your school lets children in at 8.30/8.40 you need to be there in plenty of time to set up/ log on to the computer/ put resources out/photocopy etc so realistically by 8.

The students might leave at say 3 - 3.15 but you then need to pack away the classroom, collect up books/ photocopy for the next day/ confer wtih colleagues/ meetings after school.

If you're lucky you could be away at 4. So that's 8-4 (Sort of 9-5) actually in school BUT, what are you going to teach all day the next day? When are you going to mark all the books from that day? There will be hours of prep/marking associated with that day/the next days teaching.

You can't just turn up and teach out of thin air. Also there are ridiculous amounts of tracking and proof of planning now. So you can't plan quickly on a notepad, you need to produce a document showing exactly what you will do with each lesson the next day. As well as assesment proof that you've done it.

It's a great job but no, not 9-5 by a long shot.

What exactly did you think it would be like?

BobPatSamandIgglePiggle Thu 06-Feb-14 22:25:31

I teach in FE. I'm out of the house from 7am - 6.30pm. It's a real struggle - preparing my own classes and those of tutors running workshop sessions / additional learning sessions etc takes up lots of my evenings.

Add in marking, admin, meetings, training, child protection, preparing for observations / OFSTED, liaising with parents / carers / hostels, disciplinaries, tutorials....

I work .8 but in reality squeeze a 5 day job into 4. I've just finished marking and it's 10.20.

I need to leave teaching and will be spending a day at half term (we don't get school holidays, just an allocated number of days) looking for a job outside of education.

Sorry - not the answer you wanted.

BabyMummy29 Thu 06-Feb-14 22:28:33

It used to be - I can remember my mother leaving school at 3.30 with me and arriving with me at 8.45. I never remember her having after-school meetings of loads of marking and preparation to do.

Nowadays it's a totally different story, Not at all child friendly during term time, but you have plenty of time with your family in the hols, although contrary to what the general masses think, it's not 13 weeks off doing absolutely nothing to do with school.

defineme Thu 06-Feb-14 22:28:33

Dh leaves at 740 am, gets home about 5pm (parents evening etc aside) and does an hour work every other night, sometimes 2 at the weekend. He's a secondary Head of Faculty with outstanding results, but he has been doing this a very long time so has things in place iyswim. He works through every lunch time, you will never find him with a cup of tea in the staff room, every minute at work is used. He refuses to get stressed 'it'll get done in the end' is his motto. The head is human and that is an unusual plus ime!
The holidays are fantastic and he's there for tea and kids' activities. I think it only works because he is a peculiar mix of laid back, conscientious, personable (kids love him) and very good at his subject-so he does things more quickly.

GoodnessIsThatTheTime Thu 06-Feb-14 22:28:33

Bob what are you looking at? I'm teetering.

ravenAK Thu 06-Feb-14 22:29:08

Nope, sorry!

I drop kids off at Breakfast Club at 7.40, am one of the last of my colleagues to arrive at work at 8. Most nights I'm home by 5 (p/t nanny collects dc from school & looks after them until then), but not if there's a meeting - at least twice a week.

An hour marking/prep on a 'light' night, more like 3 hours at busy times.

I worked from 10am-6pm last Saturday, then settled down again at 9pm Saturday night to work through the night; I expect to do this at least twice each half term.

But as sassy said, the holidays are great. I refuse to work during the day in the hols, although I still have to do about 20 hours a week over the evenings in order to write new schemes of learning etc.

maxpower Thu 06-Feb-14 22:30:06

My sil is a 0.5 primary teacher. She gets to work c. 8.30 and leaves about 3.30. I've never seen her or heard of her doing any work at home. Only other thing is parents evenings.

ThistledownAndCobweb Thu 06-Feb-14 22:31:11

Not if you do it well.

I'm out of the house from 7.30am until 6pm most days.

I try really hard not to bring marking home because it depresses me to have to lug boxes of books too and fro but I spend a lot of time at home preparing and also doing stuff linked to my coordinator roles.

nappyrat Thu 06-Feb-14 22:31:30

ravenAK - wow! Is that full time? Thanks everyone, really interesting and insightful

EvilTwins Thu 06-Feb-14 22:31:53

Not 9-5, no. I drop my kids at breakfast club at 8, get in by 8.15 and leave between 4.15 and 5, depending on whether I have to get my kids to a club or activity. Then, once they're in bed, I work for 2-3 hours. I usually work on Sunday afternoons/evenings. At the moment, I'm doing the school play, so am rehearsing at lunchtimes, after school and on Sundays. Then there are parents evenings, option evenings, meetings etc etc.

I totally love my job, but it's intensive and exhausting. Don't go into it because it's famil friendly - it isn't in term time. The holidays, on the other hand... grin

BobPatSamandIgglePiggle Thu 06-Feb-14 22:32:12

Honestly goodness i have no idea, i just need to leave. I'd like to do something i don't have to think about. I worked in a cafe whilst at college answer would love to do that again but we can't afford it.

stillenacht Thu 06-Feb-14 22:32:44

I had a suitcase on wheels with 200 books last weekend. This weekend it's mostly work that has been emailed to me fortunately smile

nappyrat Thu 06-Feb-14 22:33:57

Thanks twins. It's not only that I thought it's family friendly that I'm interested, I think it would be v rewarding, and I'd love to pass on my enthusiasm for my subject. But at the same time, my dc are my total priority so I want to be there for them at all times...just worried that would be an issue.

stillenacht Thu 06-Feb-14 22:34:06

NappyRat that sounds about right for ft

EvilTwins Thu 06-Feb-14 22:35:40

What's your subject?

stillenacht Thu 06-Feb-14 22:35:46

I have often resented the fact that the kids I teach have to be more of a priority than my ownhmm However as one of mine is more independent now that makes it easier in one respect, I don't feel I am neglecting them so much.

defineme Thu 06-Feb-14 22:36:18

Dh's dept have shared schemes of work for all classes and so the planning isn't so onerous-obviously you tailor it to your class, but no one is doing a document for each lesson every day. Dh is definitely just doing a couple of notes alongside the shared scheme of work.He does get more frees because he's a head of faculty, but many of them are taken up with meetings and dept admin. It's a perfectly normal comp in average catchment with a recent good/outstanding features Ofsted.

nappyrat Thu 06-Feb-14 22:36:49

geography, twins

stillenacht Thu 06-Feb-14 22:38:32

Planning isn't a problem once you have done it for a while. For me it's email accessibility (parents have your email address!) and new ways of marking (marking dialogue for example) that are time consuming and different from how it used to be when I started 20 years ago.

nappyrat Thu 06-Feb-14 22:40:08

Is it a requirement to do all the extras - school play, clubs, lunch duties, duke of edinburgh etc etc, or not?

blueemerald Thu 06-Feb-14 22:40:09

I work in a very small EBD school and work 8:30-5 most days (kids leave at 2:30, we have meetings until 3:30). But we only have 50 kids and I teach just over half of them. Planning takes a while and there are a lot of outside agency meetings. Plus PPA often gets eaten up by talking Boy X or Y down from an epic outburst. I'm an NQT and all of my exPGCE friends are working insane hours atm.

stillenacht Thu 06-Feb-14 22:40:50

Ah'll be lunchtime clubs or concerts for you to put on, no peripatetic lessons and issues to sort out...You'll be in management before you know it (that's generally where management come from isn't it, humanities?!)

ravenAK Thu 06-Feb-14 22:41:28

I'm f/t secondary English, so ridiculously marking-heavy.

Fwiw, I've also taught Geography (albeit only KS3) & the markload is a LOT lighter. So it might not be as grim a picture as I'm painting for you!

stillenacht Thu 06-Feb-14 22:42:19

It's not a requirement although schools do tend to put it in their job descriptions.... If you don't do it schools can make life v difficult for you indeed.

Hulababy Thu 06-Feb-14 22:43:08

My school starts at 8:40am so never going to be 9-5.

Littlefish Thu 06-Feb-14 22:43:33

"But at the same time, my dc are my total priority so I want to be there for them at all times...just worried that would be an issue."

I'm really sorry, but this will be an issue. As a teacher, it is very unlikely that you will be able to do things like assemblies, school plays, sports days etc. for your own children. The time commitment during term time can be extremely heavy even though the holidays are lovely.

How old are your children?

stillenacht Thu 06-Feb-14 22:43:47

Yes RavenAK English marking...ouch! You have my sympathies.

EvilTwins Thu 06-Feb-14 22:44:12

Different subjects definitely have different marking workloads. I don't have as much marking as English teachers, but have loads of planning because my KS4 specs are really woolly. I love the creative side of it though, so I don't mind the work. The extra curricular stuff also takes a lot of my time, but I genuinely love it, and am happy to give up my time. I take my own kids along to Sunday rehearsals. I think it is possible to make it work. Several of my close friends at work have young kids as well and we all manage. Having a supportive other half helps a lot, and I am lucky with my kids' school in that it has a good breakfast /after school club. Also, my kids are (fingers crossed) rarely poorly. I've been to all their school Christmas plays, but have never been to a sports day or class assembly. It can work though.

GoodnessIsThatTheTime Thu 06-Feb-14 22:45:40

Interesting blue - I've just seen a job ad locally for a learning mentor in a small school for excluded/sick pupils. I wondered what it would be like. LEss pay than a teacher but obviously a lot less responsibility!

nappyrat Thu 06-Feb-14 22:45:48

off to settle a woken baby! ;) Will check back later / tmrw. Thanks everyone, this is so helpful.

GoodnessIsThatTheTime Thu 06-Feb-14 22:51:06

You have to think to that you are highly unlikely to be able to take time off for school play/sports day/anything to do with your childs schooling, whereas with a more flexible job you could.

Similarly you need a very good back up plan for sick children (we dont have doting family nearby and obviously cm/nursery don't take them.)

There are fantastic holidays though - and the job's never boring.BUt I think its one of the most inflexible jobs during term time.

rollonthesummer Thu 06-Feb-14 22:53:41

I've never heard if a school that starts after 9am, most begin beyween 8.30/8.45, so you'd need to get there at least 15 minutes before that. I'm in by 7.45 to get set up and the carpark is half full when I arrive. I leave between 5.45-6.30 them work 1-3 hours in the evening.

To the people (yes, dear friend, I'm looking at you) who can't see why, once you've been teaching a couple of years, you can't just dig out some old planning- pah, just, pah....

rollonthesummer Thu 06-Feb-14 22:54:20

Apologies for typos-I can spell, I just can't type properly on my phone...

Springcleanish Thu 06-Feb-14 22:55:28

Definitely not 9-5, work 7.30-5.30 every day, but try to only bring planning home. One half day or full day at weekend to catch up/ sort out following week. Meetings and after school events at least once a week. This term we've had 4 parents evenings, three until eight, and options evening until 9.30pm.
I've never been to my children's assemblies, sports days, nativities etc, and only ever picked my daughter up from school on 3 occasions, never taken her, and she's now in year six.
Would I change my job? Never. I love it, and try to make the holidays special to make up for term times.

hopefulgum Thu 06-Feb-14 22:57:37

I leave home at 8, but I have a 20 minute commute. My DS has to be collected from bus (he's only 5) at 3.35, so I leave work as soon as the bell goes (at 3:10) 3 out of 5 days (Dh does the other days, he's a teacher too). I rarely bring work home, but that is because I am a secondary teacher and get 350 minutes a week of DOTT time. Also, I've been teaching for over 20 years and have loads of programmes already set up. But I still find myself running to get the photocopying etc done. I try not to bring marking home, but usually have to during exam time and reporting time. I get up early (about 5 am) so I often do it then.

I find teaching is actually very good for me in regards to family life, time-wise. I like that I can come home when my children do, and have school holidays with them. However, the toughest thing, I find, is the amount of emotional/mind energy you have to spend throughout the day on your students, so when I get home, I am spent, and my children (I have three still at school and two who have left) have a tired, grumpy mum who isn't really up for helping with homework etc (though I do my best).

Having said all that, I really do like my job, most days anyway.

stillenacht Thu 06-Feb-14 22:58:48

Yes parents evenings... I have 7 a year (as I teach years 7-13), plus options evening and open evening and sixth form open evening and pastoral, whole staff,faculty meetings (although I only do 0.7 of all that)

Bloodyteenagers Thu 06-Feb-14 23:05:49

I am not a teacher but work in a school.
It is blatantly obvious the teacher who comes in just before the kids are due in and is out of the door as soon as she can. Her lessons are a joke, her management of the class is dire, she has no lesson plan. She is currently serving her notice.

This school has no marking and no homework, the arrangement is very good for ppa and the teachers generally appreciate this. But still they are in by 8:30. They leave at 6 because its kick out time. They do work at home, and some weeks more than others. The work over the weekends. They have to come in for x days over the holidays. Some cpd runs outside school hours including weekends and holidays.

The endless reports. The endless lesson planning. The endless paperwork. The endless observations. The endless conversations with parents wanting their little darlings to be waited on hand and foot. Conversations with management. Conversations with the people who hold the purse strings when vital equipment is needed. The endless calls with other professionals and all the extra paperwork this requires.

TheFallenMadonna Thu 06-Feb-14 23:07:50

The holidays are what make it family friendly. And the fact that you can get home at a reasonable time, even if you need to bring work home with you (which I always do). But mostly the holidays. I don't think you can underestimate the perk of having school holidays.

stillenacht Thu 06-Feb-14 23:08:14

Bloodyteenagers that last paragraph. Spot on.

GoodnessKnows Thu 06-Feb-14 23:11:17

Lessons start before that and you'd need to be in school
Even earlier.
Then there's the work to be done after school has finished.

GoodnessKnows Thu 06-Feb-14 23:11:59

That's my experience, anyway.

thinking101 Thu 06-Feb-14 23:18:12

i have days where i mourn leaving teaching but threads like this give me the shivers

thinking101 Thu 06-Feb-14 23:18:55

sorry should say holidays are last saving grace

LizzieVereker Thu 06-Feb-14 23:19:11

No, not if you want to do it well. You're there to provide other peopke's children with an excellent education, you're not there to suit your family. I'm sorry if that sounds blunt, but I don't know how else to put it.

I work very similar hours to those detailed by eviltwins upthread.

(Cries and falls down.)

thinking101 Thu 06-Feb-14 23:20:04

yes and if you not - oh the guilt

LizzieVereker Thu 06-Feb-14 23:20:42

people's not peopke's.

Cries some more, this time with snot.

GoodnessIsThatTheTime Thu 06-Feb-14 23:23:03

thinking - what did you escape to?

flipchart Thu 06-Feb-14 23:25:26

From what you are saying you want I think you might be better as a private tutor rather than being tied to a school.

thinking101 Thu 06-Feb-14 23:52:41

well goodness i'm still kinda getting there but at first I flirted with working form home - this wasnt viable. At the same time I also started studying for and OU degree to retrain.

In the last 2 years I've completed my second year (all level 2's) and had a baby. I have just delayed my final year as have toddler at home and I'm really gunning for the 2nd career i want to get the right job this time.

I am pushing 40. But I hope to be doing my Msc/Phd route byt then and stay in academia. Oh and i can talk, love to socialise but the thought of being stuck in a musty office with reading and papers...oh the peace and stimulation in equal measure.

I am currently inbetween modules grin

GoodnessIsThatTheTime Thu 06-Feb-14 23:54:49

OOoh exciting! I did an OU degree overlapping with my first baby. Nuts but brilliant. I'd thought of retraining but the route I wanted needed a phd which sadly I can't make work.

Hope it goes well for you - well done!

thinking101 Fri 07-Feb-14 00:09:02

thanks goodness - but sometimes I feel I'll never get back to work.

Im struggling to get relevant work experience, need to wait unti llittie at school.

GoodnessKnows Fri 07-Feb-14 08:42:38

I understand. Thought about supply teaching? You could apply speculatively for this too and see your luck. I did so and was offered part time job! Didn't take it as don't think possible for ME to fit it in around being mummy and chose to b a tutor and train to b a dyslexia assessor
But supply teaching is closer to those hours. Maybe 8ish to 5ish or earlier
Better pay
Actually enjoyed it. But not in dodgy schools

GoodnessKnows Fri 07-Feb-14 08:47:16

I did the baby while retraining (adding additional skills to my teaching ones)
Three weeks before giving birth to my DD, I began an incredibly challenging course to become a dyslexia assessor. Was hardest thing of ever done. Up until 2.30am some nights studying and writing up- then baby waking at 5.30 and 3 y old being 'interesting'.
But so glad I've done it.
Highly recommend tutoring. I put my all into it.

thinking101 Fri 07-Feb-14 10:06:28

Goodness its good to know I am not alone. I left teaching before the baby came along. I didnt do well in my last school and it really knocked my confidence. I really dont think I could go back into a secondary school classroom. I dont know about tutoring - I dont think I have any time when I could do it except weekends and then I wouldnt see DH. I think I have to wait.

I am enjoying studying so much but my last module was so very hard with the late nights as you describe getting DS to school on 4 hours sleep and trying to look after DD without relying on cbeebies and biscuits! I was so grumpy, tired and unavailable to my family last summer I always felt guilty. Least I will have a new career to embark upon (she hopes) when little one is at school. I would love to get a research position/MSc place starting 2016/17 and ultimately my Phd. If I could lecture part time in HE or some exciting research programme...I just hope my age doesnt go against me.

I am waiting for an easy 'top up' module to start in March. Im cocooned in domestic drudge at the moment.

GoodnessKnows Fri 07-Feb-14 16:18:25

I've PMed you

Em1503 Fri 07-Feb-14 16:43:30

In my experience it's far from 9-5 and that won't change. The workload is immense that I struggle to keep on top of it working evenings and at weekends. Sometimes I'm too tired after being in school all day to get everything done that evening, but then it quickly builds up so you have more to catch up on the next day or at the weekend. The holidays are lovely, but I'd rather have my evenings and weekends free when my DH, family and friends are around. Its a fast paced job, the days never drag and no two days are the same, but it's not something I want to do forever.

feelingdizzy Fri 07-Feb-14 19:31:09

Are these long hours particularly long in England? I have taught in England and now in Ireland no comparison in hours.
I worked in similar schools in both countries,demanding sen teaching jobs,however in Ireland I allowed to get on with it,am not constantly monitored and always gathering data.I go in at 9 school starts at 9.30 and then leave at 4 .I do s bit at home,usually in big chunks throughout holidays,we get 10 weeks summer holidays here.
In England I worked in a number of schools and the unnecessary pressure was huge.
I work hard,get good results without the monitoring I do it because its my job,and I care.

KingRollo Fri 07-Feb-14 19:35:11

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

thinking101 Fri 07-Feb-14 19:53:33

hello Kingrollo I reme,ber you from our very honest thread about being a parent

BabyMummy29 Fri 07-Feb-14 19:55:56

feelingdizzy I think Ireland and Scotland must be quite similar. We don't have the pressure that schools in England seem to be under. Most of my colleagues are in school by 8.30 and leave between 4/4.30.

Also it can depend on the HT. In a local school, teachers are heard to say "She makes us come in at evenings and weekends." Unfortunately this HT has no life outwith school and thinks her staff are the same. My HT on the other hand is very understanding and appreciated the hours her staff put in.

teacherwith2kids Fri 07-Feb-14 20:10:34

I work rather odd hours - which is one of the beauties of teaching.

I get to school around 7.45ish, and leave sometime between 4.15 and 5.30, depending on family demands in the evening [DS is 13, DD is 11, both are very active in extra-curricular activities]. Once the family taxi is parked, I sit down to work again and do 2-3 hours of work then - so 8-10 on a good night, 9-midnight on a bad one.

At the moment - FT, relatively new to the school, lots of changes of curriculum underway in primary - I also work all day Sunday catching up with marking (I mark 30+ English and Maths books every night during the week, but other subjects tend to get done at the weekend) assessment and planning for the week ahead. Lunchtimes and breaktimes are taken up with resources, displays, immediate paperwork and issues, staff meeting once a week and I run an after school club one night a week.

Holidays are fab, though. In the short holidays it's a week off and a week of half-time working, plus a full day or so in school doing displays, sorting etc, half terms are similarly half and half [or full time report writing in the summer half term], but the summer holiday is LOVELY!

My husband calls teaching 'the ultimate compressed hours contract' - silly hours all term time, longer holidays than most people get.

hopefulgum Sat 08-Feb-14 06:35:09

wow. It sounds like teaching in England might be more demanding than here in Australia. I have a faculty meeting once a week but we do it during lunch. we have to do five hours a term (we have four terms a year) of after hours meetings. two hours whole school meetingsand three in faculties. Once a week seems a bit excessive. Although accountability requirements are high here I do not feel we have endless marking and paperwork. I do two parent's nights per year and four reports per year.

My DH and I have been thinking of doing a teacher exchange to the UK but I am concerned about your workload. Sounds like Ireland or Scotland might be an idea.

Euphemia Sat 08-Feb-14 07:44:48

I teach in Scotland and we're under much less pressure. Still long hours though, and no flexibility to attend nativity, sports day, etc.

Bloody love the holidays though!

I'm lucky in that I work in a three-class school where we are all similar ages and all have school-age children. The HT has two small children and two older step children, so she's very flexible and understanding.

Philoslothy Sat 08-Feb-14 07:45:18

It is not 9-5 but I find it very family friendly. I went into teaching because I wanted more time with my chiidren and that is what I got. I think it does depend on your school and subject.

Once a week I leave for 4pm and have the whole evening free until the children go to bed. Other evenings I am home for just after six but again have a few hours of family time before working. The holidays are also very valuable family time.

feelingdizzy Sat 08-Feb-14 09:38:57

So it does look like teaching hours are longer and more stressful in England.You should all start a revolt .When I taught in England,it was very much you had to be seen to be working,ehhh,no I am 39 years old with 15 years experience.We teach the kids to work independently so you can trust me! Teaching is hard work but when I read the pressure that teachers from England are under it seems horrific.Apart from anything all this data monitoring doesn't work,doesn't push up standards.
Working longer at something doesn't make up better,just more tired.
Flowers and wine to you all .

teacherwith2kids Sat 08-Feb-14 10:25:51

I do think it varies hugely between schools, phases and subjects.

A school fighting to get out of / not drop into Special Measures / RI is likely to involve some very exciting hours.

Any school going through a period of change will involve longer working hours - the new National Curriculum will involve completely re-writing many schemes of work in many schools, which puts a burden on subject leaders. In small primarties a teacher may head up 3 or 4 subject areas. Equally a new head or a push towards an upcoming Ofsted will increase hours.

School culture also varies. In some schools, it is expected that schemes of work and resources will be re-used from year to year with little modification. In others, either due to variable cohorts, mixed age classes or simply 'this isn't the way we do things here', such recycling is seen as less acceptable.

From observation, the daily grind of primary is somewhat higher than the daily grind of secondary in many subjects - for one thing, a typical day in a 30 pupils primary school class may produce 90 - 120 pieces of work to mark - BUT secondary has more dramatic peaks and troughs in marking load.

Wihin secondary, workload will vary greatly between subjects.

phlebasconsidered Sat 08-Feb-14 10:54:09

Just finished my first full week full time. I dropped my kids ( 5 and 6 years) off to breakfast club at 7.45, at work at 8, left at 5 ( having done some marking and prep), picked kids up, home, made tea, kids to bed by 7, hours rest then worked till about 10ish, collapsed in bed, up at 6 again. Just spent the morning planning, more or less finished literacy, have maths to do, plus 30 assessment Big Writes to mark. Did the maths before leaving on Friday. Tonight I will have wine. Expecting to work Sunday morning to get the maths done. I am KNACKERED and the kids are miserable about being in afterschool club.

teacherwith2kids Sat 08-Feb-14 11:41:48

The thing that makes teaching family friendly for me is that 3-4 of my daily work hours can be 'moved' around the day / week.

So I move a chunk of then to children.

I move the rest (the unavoidable day to day marking and daily prep of resources / Powerpoints [can't be done in advance as plans change daily to respond to what children can do / understand] from 'continuous to the end of the school day' to 'after a 3 hour break of child contact time'.

In my old 'big firm' business job, I would be expected to work a 'continuous' day - say 8.30 - 6.30 or 7. In teaching, I can choose to work 7.45 - 4.15, to accommopdate e.g. music lessons, and then move the remainder of the working day into the late evening.

The real sufferer is not my children - it is my husband, as my contact time with him is minimal.

teacherwith2kids Sat 08-Feb-14 11:42:37

Oops, should read 'to Sunday when my husband klooks after the children'. Editing error.

Term-time working hours in English primary are insane, but the hols are time to recharge.

I'm at school 8-5.30/6ish and try to get most of the marking done in that time (certainly the maths and short-task English). At home I'll always have something more to do in the eve, but try to keep it to an hour, 2 max.

At weekends I mark the longer writing tasks and do next week's planning. Luckily I share this with 2 colleagues and we take it in turns to do maths / English / the Rest each 1/2 term. I'll spend most of Sunday doing this.

Parent consultations are coming up, so that's 2 later evenings plus the marking will have to be done later.

I do love it though! The hours are silly, but when a child 'gets' something new, writes something brilliant or thanks you for an interesting lesson, then it is worthwhile. :-)

PenguinBear Sat 08-Feb-14 15:43:23

I teach Reception and rarely have much to do at home. I get to school by 8am and stay at school till 4.30 - 5.30 each day (sometimes later if we have a meeting).
Try and not work at home during the week as I prefer to work through my lunch hour.
Every half term I do a whole work day and get it all done. Sometimes have more work around parents evenings etc

nappyrat Sat 08-Feb-14 23:10:30

thank you everyone that took the time to post, has given me lots to think over.

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