Help with finding a children's song with a story for PGCE interview

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josh751 Thu 28-Nov-13 19:36:48

I have an interview for a PGCE in primary and as part of it I need to tell the lecturers a story as if they're children using props, it must be geared towards 4-8 and I want to get them to participate. I plan on using a guitar as my prop and telling them a story through song. so does anyone have any ideas?

much appreciated
josh

oddslippers Thu 28-Nov-13 19:44:43

Are you sure you shouldn't be doing a story sack type activity? Handas suprise would work well for this you could have the exotic fruits as your props which would be a good sensory experience

josh751 Thu 28-Nov-13 19:47:22

thanks for your reply No I've been in contact with the course director and she says teaching a story through song would help you stand out best

Catmint Thu 28-Nov-13 19:47:28

Do you mean you are going to play along to a story or sing a children's song which is a story? And isn't a guitar an instrument rather than a prop?

Anyway, how about The Ugly Duckling? It was a cbeebies ballet last year and there is the song. ( I treasure a version of Frank from Eastenders singing it that I have on cassette).

Theas18 Thu 28-Nov-13 19:57:35

My dear old dad used to sing this to his classes

http://www.traditionalmusic.co.uk/song-midis/Chivalrous_Shark.htm

Great vocabulary in a nonsense tale

Theas18 Thu 28-Nov-13 20:04:53

Or any of the many folk songs that tell of a historical event

Eg http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ballad_of_Casey_Jones

notnowImreading Thu 28-Nov-13 20:05:49

Froggy went a-courtin' was my favourite at that age, or Casey Jones.

notnowImreading Thu 28-Nov-13 20:06:29

Ooh, cross post. First time I've done that.

TunipTheUnconquerable Thu 28-Nov-13 20:07:08

Puff the Magic Dragon

lougle Thu 28-Nov-13 20:07:12

I really don't think they will consider a guitar a 'prop'. A prop is something that helps the children understand the story.

Shallishanti Thu 28-Nov-13 20:07:45

we're going on a bear hunt

mamaduckbone Thu 28-Nov-13 20:13:50

I agree that props probably means objects to hello children understand the story, but there's no reason why song couldn't be part of it. What about a Julia donaldson story? We have a song cd of hers so I'm sure sheet music must be available. The Smartest Giant in Town springs to mind...you could strip at the same time (joke!!)

mamaduckbone Thu 28-Nov-13 20:14:44

help children obviously...

ctrlaltdel Thu 28-Nov-13 20:16:59

Look up barefoot books on YouTube and there's some story-songs on there- walking through the jungle is a good one.

josh751 Thu 28-Nov-13 20:19:16

Thanks for all your suggestions so far, I really like that song Froggy went a courtin' and I understand what you are saying about the guitar not being a top but as I said I got chatting to the course director and when I suggested to her about bringing the guitar and singing a song she loved it and that's why I want to use it

ctrlaltdel Thu 28-Nov-13 20:20:06

Or the duck song

PeterParkerSays Thu 28-Nov-13 20:20:19

The journey home from Grandpa's is another Barefoot book. It has a CD with it, which is a folk type song but also has props - a white helicopter, a purple train etc and you could have those as cardboard cut outs in addition to the guitar.

ctrlaltdel Thu 28-Nov-13 20:23:36

Or nick cope here

storynanny Thu 28-Nov-13 22:01:27

I second barefoot books, they are brilliant.

LeBearPolar Thu 28-Nov-13 22:07:41

This is not remotely helpful - but this was the first thing that popped into my head

Phoebe Buffay: the singing lady who tells the truth

Sorry. I'll get my coat. blush

josh751 Thu 28-Nov-13 22:28:56

I'm having a look through the barefoot boots now! thanks again for everything! I originally was going to pick She'll be coming round the mountain when she comes but a few people told me its not a story.. but I don't understand how it isn't... its a story about a girl coming round a mountain and it describes how she is/what she is wear/and what we'll do when she gets there... anyone want to shed some light on this?

Littlefish Thu 28-Nov-13 22:36:24

There isn't a proper story structure in the version I'm thinking of. It's a repetitive song, with variations in each verse.

A story should have an introduction, a problem (not the right word, but I can't think what it is!) and a resolution.

paperlantern Thu 28-Nov-13 22:40:29

a story has a beginning a middle and an end. there are characters who go through character development ie to get to the moral of the story often in kids' stories.

so for example ugly duckling. starts an ugly duckling and grows into a swan learning appearances aren't everything and not to listen to people who tease you

she'll be coming round the mountain? is an event, she just keeps coming. no beginning no middle no end no character development (no moral to the story)

paperlantern Thu 28-Nov-13 22:42:26

seriously as much as the guitar will be fun I wonder if it fits the brief. unless you can find a story song about a wandering minstrel.....

josh751 Thu 28-Nov-13 22:56:13

Using music (guitar) is a method that helps release endorphins, helping them relax and settle better, it develops the creative part of their brain and it allows them to develop their long term memory.. thats why using music/songs to teach children is a great method and thats exactly why the course director has suggested that I use it for my interview

paperlantern Fri 29-Nov-13 10:29:07

that's fine, and great rationale for using it with kids within the class room.

But it isn't telling a story through props which is what you originally said. as the guitar is irrelevant to the story.

I'd be tempted to either find a story song that features a guitar or a minstrel or has a component where one of the characters has to sing the the guitar has a relevance to the actual story

lougle Fri 29-Nov-13 10:39:25

I do think you've missed the point somewhat. The guitar is an aid (and a very valid one) to your story telling, but it isn't a prop because a prop is something that helps to make the story relevant to the children.

So, for instance, in Handa's surprise the props would be various kinds of fruit and veg.

For instance: www.teachprimary.com/learning_resources/view/using-stories-to-teach-music

Cinderella (sung to One Finger, One Thumb Keep Moving)

She had two ugly sisters,
She had two ugly sisters,
She had two ugly sisters,
Who made her do all the work!

v2. A servant once brought a letter…………
Inviting them to a ball
v3. But Cinders had no dresses…………
So she stayed home and cried
v4. A fairy discovered a pumpkin…………
And turned it into a coach
v5. Now Cinders and Prince Charming…………
They danced the night away
v6. The midnight chimes were ringing…………
She dropped her little glass shoe
v7. The prince walked round the city…………
To find the lady he loved
v8. Now here’s a happy ending…………
For Cinders and her prince

You could still use your guitar, but the props would be some dolls, a shoe, etc.

SilverApples Fri 29-Nov-13 10:42:15

Try and get the 'children' actively involved and responding to whatever you do, otherwise it's just a performance of a folk song to an audience.

storynanny Fri 29-Nov-13 12:08:29

Josh, old teacher here, music specialist with primary children. The other posters are all correct, the guitar is not the prop its the aid just like voice. Props are part of the actual story.

EvilTwins Fri 29-Nov-13 19:37:41

Other posters all have very valid views, and just to throw something else in - if you're about to embark on a PGCE, you need to be willing to take on advice from those of us who are already in the profession. Both of your threads on this subject come across as "thanks but I'm going to ignore your advice". Successful
PGCE students (and NQTs and teachers in general) are always interested in taking on the advice of others.

josh751 Sun 01-Dec-13 03:17:11

Hi, Again.. you seem to be ignoring the fact that I have spoken to the Course Director and she told me that singing and using my guitar is a "Brilliant Idea!!" <--- please make note of this before you turn around again and say that the guitar is not a good idea! (you're wasting my time and your own). I have taken your advice on board and decided against singing "She'll be coming round the mountain", and have now picked one of stories you suggested "5 Little Ducks" and I plan on using little duck toys and maybe even the book. Thanks for all your help again, I do appreciate it.

paperlantern Sun 01-Dec-13 05:43:49

don't think anyone was against the guitar. they were just advising against the guitar as a prop.

not sure 5 little ducks is a great story song. again you could argue it so it's not a complete dead duckgrin .

it does have a Beginning 5 little ducks went swimming, middle ducks swam away and end: ducks came back. But there is no real story or character development. The stuff you'd want to sit down and discuss with the kids after if you were doing it for real. so going back to the ugly duckling example at the end of the story you might be asking how do you think the duckling felt at the beginning and the end how are they different what in the story makes the way the duckling feels change.

Those are the kind of rich questions that gets kids thinking about how storytelling happens, which, if it was in a real classroom, I suspect would be the objective.

just some thoughts for you.

Turnipsandsproutswithtinselon Sun 01-Dec-13 05:57:01

Eek. Josh751 I hope that you either learn to accept some constructive criticism and valuable advice. Traits that I would expect a teacher teaching my kids to demonstrate.

Why don't you clarify the points that have been raised here with your course director?

vvviola Sun 01-Dec-13 06:13:32

Just a quick question - and perhaps one of the actual teachers might correct me on this, but is 5 Little Ducks not a bit young for 4-8 year olds? Or at least the upper age? I have a young 6 year old who is beginning to lose interest in that sort of song, although that could be partly because her baby sister is learning it at daycare age 2.

CakeIsyourFriend Sun 01-Dec-13 06:16:25

LOL! You are going to love being a teacher josh if this is how you respond to advice from colleagues! I should imagine everyone on here (myself included) are experienced teachers.
5 little ducks isn't really a story. Don't get so tied to using the guitar that you don't actually fulfill the brief. I agree using the guitar and singing is great but not if you don't actually tell a story as they have asked you to. They didn't ask you to sing a song!
There are lots of suggestions here for actual stories so I would think again.

Good luck with your interview. When I had mine (a million years ago) it was a very dry conversation in the lecturers office. How they guessed I would be a good teacher I can't imagine. This sounds much better but much scarier .

CakeIsyourFriend Sun 01-Dec-13 06:18:30

YY 8 yr olds will be unimpressed with 5 little ducks I think (I teach year 3/4). However there is rarely a situation in which you would be teaching the age range 4-8yr all together so it is a very unrealistic scenario really.

lougle Sun 01-Dec-13 08:29:44

5 little ducks isn't a story - it's a song that introduces counting. It is typically sung at toddler groups 18 mths-3 yrs: it's far too young for your brief.

The course director said guitar was a brilliant idea, which it is, but didn't say 'and don't worry about following the task'.

She'll be coming round the mountain isn't a story. Not in any shape our form.It's just a song.

I'm sure you don't mean to, but you are coming across as inflexible and arrogant.I'm not at all sure how you would survive the PGCE with this attitude, our the ever changing demands of senior leadership teams and OFSTED.

KatoPotato Sun 01-Dec-13 08:34:57

Michael finnegan?

gruffalosmile Sun 01-Dec-13 08:36:08

How about one of the Julia Donaldson ones, not sure of copyright but they do come with a song e.g smartest giant in town.

lougle Sun 01-Dec-13 08:36:11

Debbie and Friends have an animated song of Goldilocks which I've seen used very effectively in a Year 1 (5-6 year old) class. You could extend the content for older children by asking more advanced questions to do with safety and obedience, etc.

RightInTheKisser Sun 01-Dec-13 08:41:06

Oh dear me. You really do need to learn to take advice from experienced teachers. They will be your saviours!

Interestingly you are doing exactly what children do to their parents when they get home. (Whingey voice) "but my teacher said..."

You are not understanding the whole objective (now there's a word you'll grow to love) of the story telling. What are the children actually learning? It's not an interview for CBeebies.

What about Puff the Magic Dragon?

I suspect the task doesn't matter much and it's more to see how creative / confident you are. As you've spoken to course director guitar sounds good.

I agree that five little ducks is probably too young though. My two year old can almost sing it himself. I loved the cinderella song up thread.

josh751 Sun 01-Dec-13 18:37:26

Holy god, the teacher I'm working with told me not to post anything on mumsnet because they never have a good word to say about anything, can't believe how true that is! well guys the most popular story chosen for the interview is "The Hungry Caterpillar" for those of you who don't know, its about a Hungry caterpillar who eats a lot of food and then turns into a butterfly now is that suited for an 8 year old? I'm trying to find a story similar to that. The guy here that very correctly said "It isn't even about the story, its to see how confident you come across" couldn't be more correct and thats the point all of you are missing! Now heres my new question.. Is '5 little ducks' suited for the same age group as 'The Hungry Caterpillar'? I've discussed it with a P.1. teacher and it was actually her that recommended me doing '5 little duck'. Please put the guitar issue to rest and I am taking a lot of your comments in but at the end of the day the story is probably completely irrelevant to the interview, they just want to see how you come across telling one. Thanks

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Sun 01-Dec-13 18:40:07

Course director probably meant guitar was a fantastic idea in addition to props.

5 little ducks too young IMO.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine Sun 01-Dec-13 18:42:37

How about bear hunt? Ive see that done as a song and is a proper story with lots of opportunities for interaction.

It was me who said about confidence so hopefully I've proved I'm helpful, but honestly op it is you who is coming across badly, not those who've taken time to reply to you.

Fwiw, I think Hungry Caterpillar may be too young too. Two year old ds loves it. As I said, there's a great cinderella story song up thread.

josh751 Sun 01-Dec-13 18:43:58

Yea I'm going to include other props as well smile do you think The Hungry Caterpillar is for an older range than 5 Little Ducks?

LeBearPolar Sun 01-Dec-13 18:44:00

The Hungry Caterpillar could actually lead on to an interesting discussion about transformation and the life cycle of the butterfly which would be appropriate to 8 year olds.

I'm not sure whether 5 little ducks leads on to anything that could be regarded as similarly challenging.

littlemissblue Sun 01-Dec-13 18:44:52

We're going on a bear hunt? that's the one i used!

josh751 Sun 01-Dec-13 18:45:11

I know people who have got into the course using "The Hungry Caterpillar" smile

Can I ask op, why did you post? What help did you hope for?

iheartdusty Sun 01-Dec-13 18:48:46

LOL.

I have no idea why OP posted because she knows all the answers better than anyone else.

josh751 Sun 01-Dec-13 18:58:18

Right perhaps I have come across as cheeky, I'm sorry about that and I should have provided you with better Info on this. Heres the facts smile

The Course Director basically insisted I used a guitar to tell the story

The story most popularly used is "The Hungry Caterpillar"

It has to be a story for 4-8 (what I meant was I have to go in and specify that this story will be for a P.1. class etc.)

Has to be 5 minutes long

I'm trying to find a nice short, simple story (similar to the hungry caterpillar) that can be sung, Bringing props is NOT an necessity and I know people who have got in with them (some people have even advised me against using any at all).

I am on placement at the moment in a primary school and I went to the P.1. told her all this and she said I should do "Five Little Ducks"

now tell me your thoughts? (Again sorry for my previously messages)

smile

Huitre Sun 01-Dec-13 19:03:43

In your shoes, I would go and ask the Y3/P4 teacher the same question and see what she thinks about Five Little Ducks.

Shallishanti Sun 01-Dec-13 19:04:58

OK then think about the STORY of 5 little ducks. What do you expect the children to get out of it (aka what are your learning objectives) - what kind of conversation do you see yourself having with the children after you have sung the song? what activities will you use to build what you have done? as people have said, it's really a counting song- with younger children you could do lots with toy ducks, adding them, counting them, subtracting them, using lots of mathematical language. But not sure what you would do with the age group you are targeting.

josh751 Sun 01-Dec-13 19:05:20

Hi, But theres no need, I will be walking into the interview and stating "this will be for a P.1. class" and then starting.. thanks for getting back to me tho smile

SilverApples Sun 01-Dec-13 19:06:15

'I have no idea why OP posted because she knows all the answers better than anyone else.'

That's odd, I thought I heard the Boiiinnggg of a Y chromosome being waved around. Auditory illusion possibly?

OddBoots Sun 01-Dec-13 19:15:58

So the story doesn't have to cover the whole range of 4-8yo but only a year group within that? In that case either 5 little ducks (extended with 'taking away' numeracy stuff) or The Hungry Catapillar (extended with life cycles or healthy eating) would be fine for 4-6 year olds.

RightInTheKisser Sun 01-Dec-13 19:17:32

I think 'We Are Going On a Bear Hunt' is a fab book to use. You could definitely sing it and there are loads of opportunities for props. You could play the guitar to the in between bits and then use props for the sounds of the different obstacles. Swishy Swashy grass, Squeltchy mud etc.

It's a lovely descriptive book. I would say year 1 or year 2 class.

lilyaldrin Sun 01-Dec-13 19:23:15

Bear Hunt is a really good idea, or maybe There Was A Princess Long Ago (Sleeping Beauty) as that is a story told through a song - a classic fairytale at that so lots of directions to go in for props/discussion.

SilverApples Sun 01-Dec-13 19:30:43

I've used Dear Zoo as the basis for a storytelling with Y1, and the children calling out appropriate words for each animal.
Have you come across this book?
www.amazon.co.uk/Three-Singing-Pigs-Traditional-Musicals/dp/0713673257/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1385926185&sr=1-1&keywords=three+singing+pigs

josh751 Sun 01-Dec-13 19:32:11

what about this wee song?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjMffHG1V_Q

josh751 Sun 01-Dec-13 19:49:40

Thanks for all your help guys! Thanks to you a found a great story/song to do! its called 'The Cat Came Back', each verse has a different vehicle tractor, train etc. I plan to get each of them printed out into cards and give them to the lectures and get them to hold up whichever vehicle i'm talking about and I'll have a nice yellow cat stuffed toy beside me as well smile GREAT!!

Huitre Sun 01-Dec-13 20:20:34

Is this a wind up?

lougle Sun 01-Dec-13 20:28:50

Please, please never come to teach in England.

josh751 Sun 01-Dec-13 20:31:06

What? why? obviously I picked a version that is suitable for Children, Check it out here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjMffHG1V_Q

blueemerald Sun 01-Dec-13 20:39:03

Apart from the dubious attitude towards animals I still don't think that song tells a story.
You need a beginning, middle and end. Some kind of character development, a crisis or problem to overcome or lesson to learn.

Iwaswatchingthat Sun 01-Dec-13 20:41:15

What about 'There was a princess long ago'?

The story goes through her being in the tower, vibes growing, prince arriving etc.

Basically sleeping beauty in song form.

Huitre Sun 01-Dec-13 20:41:27

Please do post the lyrics you are supposedly going to use. I would be fascinated to hear how you think this is suitable for Reception/P1 children.

Iwaswatchingthat Sun 01-Dec-13 20:42:00

Vines growing not vibes!

josh751 Sun 01-Dec-13 20:48:45

Old Mr. Johnson had some troubles of his own.
He had a yellow cat which wouldn't leave his home.
He tried and tried to give the cat away.
He gave it to a man going far, far away.
Chorus: But the cat came back, the very next day.
The cat came back. We thought he was a goner.
But the cat came back. It just couldn't stay away.
Away, Away, Away
He gave it to a farmer, said he'd take it to a farm.
The farmer drove the tractor with the cat under his arm.
He dropped it in a cornfield, thought he'd surely get lost.
The cat ate up the cornfield at the farmer's cost.
Chorus: But the cat came back, the very next day.
The cat came back. We thought he was a goner.
But the cat came back. It just couldn't stay away.
Away, Away, Away
He gave it to a trucker that was going to Mexico.
The trucker stopped for coffee at a "Trucker Stop & Go".
But while he was a' paying he knew that he was stuck
He saw the cat jump in the cab and take off with his truck.
Chorus: But the cat came back, the very next day.
The cat came back. We thought he was a goner.
But the cat came back. It just couldn't stay away.
Away, Away, Away
He gave it to a pilot with a real nice plane.
The pilot could just fly it far away in one day.
But the pilot had his troubles he couldn't touch down.
Because the cat had the controls and made the pilot turn around.
Chorus: But the cat came back, the very next day.
The cat came back. We thought he was a goner.
But the cat came back. It just couldn't stay away.
Away, Away, Away
He gave it to a train conductor, put it on a train
New England's where the train was headed up to Bangor Maine
He pull down on the brakes those wheels screeched on the track
And as it ran away, conductor said, "Here, kitty cat".
Chorus: But the cat came back, the very next day.
The cat came back. We thought he was a goner.
But the cat came back. It just couldn't stay away.
Away, Away, Away


The cat was taken in by a lovely little girl
She loved that yellow cat, she made that cat her world
Now there is no reason for the cat to come back
Cuz it never has to leave and it likes it like that.
Chorus: But the cat came back, the very next day.
The cat came back. We thought he was a goner.
But the cat came back. It just couldn't stay away.
Away, Away, Away
It likes it where it is. It loves that little girl.

Iwaswatchingthat Sun 01-Dec-13 20:50:26

I think you will struggle to remember all those lyrics in an interview and it is far too complicated for reception.

josh751 Sun 01-Dec-13 20:51:39

I will say its for P.3. - P.4. smile

Iwaswatchingthat Sun 01-Dec-13 20:52:26

The princess one is far better. I do it with reception all the time and it works really well. You can add actions, change the lyrics etc. Lots of learning opportunities. It needs to involve them and help them make progress, not be a performance.

Iwaswatchingthat Sun 01-Dec-13 20:53:54

Add message | Report | Message poster josh751 Sun 01-Dec-13 19:05:20
Hi, But theres no need, I will be walking into the interview and stating "this will be for a P.1. class" and then starting.. thanks for getting back to me tho

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josh751 Sun 01-Dec-13 20:54:47

And I gig in a function band 4-5 nights a week so learning lyrics is no problem ;)

lougle Sun 01-Dec-13 21:02:13

You are missing so many points it's almost like you're in a different reality.

josh751 Sun 01-Dec-13 21:08:21

Could you share the many points I am missing? The story is about a cat coming into someones house and that someone keeps trying to give it away but he keeps coming back and then finally a little girl finds the cat and loves it so the cat doesn't want to go back,

I found this Story/Song on the THE LEARNING STATION which is a multi-award-winning children's group. With combined backgrounds and degrees in early childhood education, child development and music, this trio, has achieved international stature as leaders in the children's educational music industry. They presently have a collection of 30 award-winning audio and video releases and they have published over 350 children's songs that are part of educational curriculums world-wide.

They say:

"The Cat Came Back" is a popular children's story and camp song. Our version is child friendly, humorous and has a happy ending that children will enjoy. This is also a great song to share during story time for preschoolers and kindergarten age children.

Head. Table. Ouch.

josh751 Sun 01-Dec-13 21:12:23

Great response.. Very informative... whats wrong with it?

indyandlara Sun 01-Dec-13 21:21:45

PGCE is a tough year. You will not always be right. You will not always get your own way.

Teaching is tough. You will not always be right. You will not always get your own way.

If almost everyone saying that you are barking up the wrong tree is not setting off alarm bells for you I am not sure what will. Teachers need to be able to take criticism, constructive and otherwise.

lougle Sun 01-Dec-13 21:25:57

What's the story telling the children? It's a great tune, I'm sure. But what is it telling the children? What are they going to learn?

If you try and get rid of a cat it will try and come home until it finds someone nicer???

diddlediddledumpling Sun 01-Dec-13 21:27:34

Are you in the UK? The context of the song is a bit odd, if you are, and it just doesn't feel like a story.
It seems like you're trying to shoehorn the guitar into the interview and the choice of story is suffering.
Why not choose a story first, a good one, then use your talents to add in some music/singing?

Also, you're not great at taking criticism....

josh751 Sun 01-Dec-13 21:29:20

That's fair enough and I totally understand! But can't I have a say in what I'd like to do? after all it is my interview. I have took a lot of your comments on board, At first I was going to do "She'll be coming round the mountain" and you were right.. its not really a story. But "The Cat Came Back" does have a story about a person trying to get a cat out of their home and it keeps coming back but eventually the story concludes when a Girl keeps the cats and loves him.. Again I will be using props, cards, pictures and words.. so I cover the Auditory, Visual and Kinesthetics, and at the end of the day the story doesn't matter to them.. Its to see if you sweat alot, don't speak clearly and come up with a few creative ideas for telling a story smile

josh751 Sun 01-Dec-13 21:34:33

What are they going to learn from "There was a Princess", you should go around kissing girls hands to make you feel happy? :P

diddlediddledumpling Sun 01-Dec-13 21:38:54

Of course you get a say, its entirely up to you what you do! And of course your demeanour probably matters much more than your choice of story, but I assume they will still take account of it. And people here were suggesting ways you could choose a really good one.

I suppose it's the manner in which you told so many experienced teachers that they were wrong and you were right. I just think you could have been a bit more gracious. It's quite tiresome when student teachers come into schools and talk to us like we know nothing and they have it all sussed.

lougle Sun 01-Dec-13 21:41:27

But Josh....it's a rubbish story!

We're in the UK.

The trucker was going to Mexico
Children wouldn't have any idea what a 'Trucker stop & go' is
A real nice plane is terrible grammar
A lot of children wouldn't know where New England was
Most children wouldn't know where Bangor Maine was
The last chorus is completely unnecessary because at that point the cat hasn't left because he loves the girl, so there's no reason for him to go, yet you're singing that he came back!

There is no meaning to the story, at all. There really isn't. The only possible meaning is that if you waste your time trying to get rid of a cat then eventually someone will see it and fall in love with it!

I see your point completely that it's 'not really about the story' but then if you view it like that, at what point do you stop? Do you decide not to even do a story and just do something that demonstrates your 'calm, cool delivery'?

You need to show not only that you are calm and collected but also that you can teach to demand. That you can tailor your lesson to a brief. That you understand what children need.

lougle Sun 01-Dec-13 21:45:50

"There was a princess" is the story of Sleeping Beauty, a timeless classic.

diddlediddledumpling Sun 01-Dec-13 21:46:42

Also, I assume it's reasonably competitive to get on to a PGCE course where you are. It's a bit short sighted to assume they'll give all the places to those who keep their cool best. I'd like to think they're also looking for people who have a grasp of the process of learning. And i'm sick of people thinking they can throw in the VAK theory and that's a lesson sorted.

Shallishanti Sun 01-Dec-13 21:52:33

please....just do we're going on a bear hunt!

The head- table comment was because you're not listening to any of the advice. Why the hell did you bother posting if you know it all anyway?

Iwaswatchingthat Sun 01-Dec-13 21:57:50

Thanks lougle at least someone is listening to me!!

blueemerald Sun 01-Dec-13 21:57:53

You need to tell them a story. Start there and then bring an musical element in.

Iwaswatchingthat Sun 01-Dec-13 21:59:22

Oh and josh if you really have to ask what young children are going to learn from a traditional tale then I give up.

josh751 Sun 01-Dec-13 22:00:51

OKay.. Lets hold up a second! I get what you mean about that verse and I will be changing the lyrics to make it more UK-Friendly!

I have looked up your songs as well and tried a few.

Everyone does "The Hungry Caterpillar" which far enough you can talk about it changing to a butterfly but do any of you think you could tell that story to the children and then have a full discussion about life cycles in the space of 5 minutes? and lets be honest it is a bit of a crap story.. A caterpillar eating cake, chocolate and all that..

The interview process up there is to see how you are in those situations, You get marks for Eye Contact, Speaking Clearly, Engaging etc. I was chatting to someone up in the Uni who is doing her masters up there and she said even "She'll be coming round the mountain" would be 100% as long as you are overly enthusiastic, pleasant...

Iwaswatchingthat Sun 01-Dec-13 22:03:03

Hmmmm Eric Carle has done ok out of it.

lougle Sun 01-Dec-13 22:03:24

As I say, they're cheesy but Debbie and Friends do song animations of Little Red Riding Hood, Goldilocks, Cinderella, Three Little Pigs, Pinnochio, Jack and the Beanstalk....

They are all good, solid stories that can be adapted to the level of children of most ages.

lougle Sun 01-Dec-13 22:05:46

Ok, well enjoy that, Josh. I sincerely hope that this thread helps you to reflect on your learning style. I worry for you if this is how you will approach a PGCE. I worry for teaching if this is the sort of candidate they get as a 'dead cert'.

josh751 Sun 01-Dec-13 22:08:01

The Bear Hunt one.. what do you learn from that? do go hunting for bears? aww I Don't know whats wrong with the Cat Came Back :/ surely if the learning station (who also do that bear hunt) do it.. then it should be okay

Iwaswatchingthat Sun 01-Dec-13 22:11:18

It isn't about learning from the story itself or you could question any story ever written:

"What do you learn from Jane Eyre? Don't fall in love with a man with a wife locked in the attic?"

You're missing the point that young children need to learn about story structure, traditional language, vocabulary, repetitive language and how it is used in stories, that stories have a beginning, middle and ending etc. etc. etc.

I wanted to give up, but I just couldn't.

Iwaswatchingthat Sun 01-Dec-13 22:12:39

Also the learning station are quite obviously going to promote themselves. Good teaching is about using your judgement as to whether the resources/ideas are appropriate for what you need them for and more importantly the children in your class.

Peacocklady Sun 01-Dec-13 22:27:48

Find a story that kids will love.
Then compose your own sound effects or accompaniment on the guitar, don't let using the guitar dictate and limit your choice.
I got a job using the hungry caterpillar in my lesson by the way! There is do much work you can do off the back of that book.
How about 6 dinner Sid if you like cats?

Huitre Sun 01-Dec-13 22:28:31

Bear Hunt has repeated language, onomatopoeia/playing with the sounds of language in a fun way, a family group to be discussed, the ability to overcome fear, an idea about what is too much to handle and if there are things you shouldn't mess with, humour, a bit of scariness (but enjoyably scary for a group of Reception kids and at an appropriate level), ideas about textures (could link to science activities for this age), ideas about different kinds of environments and what would be their particular features (forests, rivers etc). That's just off the top of my head, as a parent not a teacher.

lougle Sun 01-Dec-13 22:28:42

Do you know, I volunteer in a Y1 class and for weeks they've been reading 'Goldilocks'. They've been sharing different versions of Goldilocks.

The learning that I've seen taking place! They are expanding their vocabularies hugely by pointing out 'similarities' and 'differences'. Using observation skills to see how minor details change, and in turn learning that a story is still the same story if it has a core that remains the same, even if everything else changes.

They've been learning that there are patterns in stories. That there is a meaning to the story, etc.

You reduce 'Going on a Bear Hunt' to 'go hunting for bears.' It's nothing to do with that. It's an opportunity to embed prepositions into every day language. To extend vocabulary to include adjectives. To use onomatopoeic words in stories. This leads on to the children themselves using that language in their own stories.

lougle Sun 01-Dec-13 22:29:00

x-posted with Huitre.

Huitre Sun 01-Dec-13 22:31:42

Yes, I help out at school too, lougle! I've learnt a lot!

lougle Sun 01-Dec-13 22:31:46

It's also a fantastic book to teach sequencing forwards and backwards - the family run away from the bear in reverse order through the different obstacles.

Huitre Sun 01-Dec-13 22:39:30

There are so many areas of learning you could get out of it. Science, Geography, PSHE, literacy, the list just goes on. A great choice for a Reception class and they would probably enjoy every minute of it. I bet you could even get Drama in there too and work up a very creditable performance as long as you weren't worrying too much about your own performance...

nilbyname Sun 01-Dec-13 22:40:29

Slinky Malinky stories are good, there's one about counting and sneaking in/out and a terrible noisy bruiser of a cat.

Bear hunt is fantastic...could be told as a piece of folk poetry where rhythm plays a big part, you could read your story in a "bed" with a toy bear...

I don't like peas by nick sharrat is also good, and funny, and could be told comically with some strums of the guitar and you could increase/decrease tempo.

Singing a song and telling a story are 2 different things so make sure the tale telling is your objective here, not performing a song.

Huitre Sun 01-Dec-13 22:41:21

I love Slinky Malinky and Hairy MacLairy. Superb ideas.

lougle Sun 01-Dec-13 22:46:28

A Squash and a Squeeze is a brilliant story. Very easy to use props with.

The Gruffalo.

So many.

blueemerald Sun 01-Dec-13 22:54:08

I've been mulling this over and if I were you (and I'm a secondary English NQT now) I would learn one of Roald Dahl's Revolting Rhymes (The Three Little Pigs is my fave) for 6-8 year olds. You can do great voices, actions, character and building props.

Whichever story (story not song) you pick make sure you plan some follow up activities. It would be better to stand out because you've shown where your activity fits in a scheme of work (you've gone above and beyond what was asked) than stand out because you can play the guitar (at a primary PGCE? Don't think they won't have seen it a hundred times before)

blueemerald Sun 01-Dec-13 22:56:52

www.lovereading4kids.co.uk have classified 'Revolting Rhymes' as being suitable for 5+ and 7+. You could even plan follow up activities for two age groups (5-6 and 7-8). That will really make you stand out.

josh751 Tue 17-Dec-13 13:28:02

Hi for those of you who are following this post etc. Just like to let you know that I did "The Cat Came Back" with the cards and guitar and they absolutely loved it and best of all I past that part of the interview! I'm not here to gloat but here to thank you guys for steering me away from She'll Be Coming Round The Mountain.. It was because if you I found The Cat Came Back so Merci smile

You past that part? Tut tut! Teaching?

Just kidding! a little well done!

josh751 Tue 17-Dec-13 14:43:24

god you people are cheeky, I was trying to thank you and thats what I get :/

storynanny Tue 17-Dec-13 15:32:39

Er the poster was pointing out your spelling mistake. Did you not notice it?

I should have italicised...

I may put that on my gravestone.

Peacocklady Tue 17-Dec-13 22:24:13

Brill! Well done!

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