I don't want to go back :(

(137 Posts)
KareninsGirl Sun 03-Nov-13 14:00:44

That's it in a nutshell. We have experienced huge change in our workplace and I'm doing three times the workload I should due to others either bring absent or not doing their jobs properly.

I used to love my job but all I feel now is disillusioned and exhausted.

Please remind me of why education is such a great sector to work in?!

ninah Sun 03-Nov-13 14:02:31

I wish I could but I feel the same. Sick.

LizzieVereker Sun 03-Nov-13 14:04:01

Please can we all squeeze hands for a bit? I feel so anxious, I'm sorry you do too.

ninah Sun 03-Nov-13 14:04:45

A good friend of mine has just handed in her notice, too.

MrsExcited Sun 03-Nov-13 14:09:58

I know the feeling am signed off this week (eptopic pregnancy - i missed most of the week prior to half term too) i am dreading going back next week.

KareninsGirl Sun 03-Nov-13 14:10:43

Sorry to hear you are struggling too.

Am already counting down the days until the Christmas break.


HidingUnderMyDuvet Sun 03-Nov-13 14:12:23

Me too.

I should be getting ready but right now I'm being a couch potato. sad I feel like there's no point putting anything extra in any more- it's never good enough for the constantly moving goal posts.

HSMMaCM Sun 03-Nov-13 14:17:11

Because most parents truly appreciate the fantastic jobs you do for our children and how what you do can affect their whole lives.

TawdryTatou Sun 03-Nov-13 14:19:34

Me too with the sick feeling.

Don't want to go back into the tunnel.

Hate it.

GotMyGoat Sun 03-Nov-13 14:19:49

Just remember what a privilege it is that we have free education in this country! Imagine all the millions of lives that have been changed for the better thanks to teachers like you...

Does that help? practising motivational speech

ninah Sun 03-Nov-13 14:21:22

I care about the children and the parents, but it's all about the inspectors. And yes, we have HMI in this month. Again.
7 weeks, Karenin.

soapboxqueen Sun 03-Nov-13 14:24:17

I've handed in my notice. I used to love my job.

KareninsGirl Sun 03-Nov-13 14:24:50

Thank you for those kind words about how we are appreciated and effect positive change for young people. It truly is the reason I went into education - to give youngsters the best possible chance and give all that I could.

But I hear the PP loud and clear about ever-changing goalposts. It's impossible to keep up.

mrs excited sorry to hear your sad news and I hope you are feeling better x

LizzieVereker Sun 03-Nov-13 14:27:27

I am sorry Mrs Excited thanks. And HSM, that's really kind.

The trouble is it feels as if everything is moving away from the students being at the centre of my efforts. I'm there to help the students but spend far more time jumping through hoops. I've never felt this bad before. I'm trying to pinpoint what's changed, but I can't face it.

Sorry to sound self centred, can't tell anyone in RL. Am going to take DS out for a bike ride to keep busy and not cave in to it.

ninah Sun 03-Nov-13 14:29:42

it is impossible. Having been left to it as regards planning for the last two years I now have a stack of new proformas to fill in for the benefit of inspectors. Will add nothing, I can't use them as well as the others. What a waste of time.
soapbox that is sad. My friend is a fab teacher, really creative and dynamic. She has been squeezed so hard by the system that she is just leaving, no job to go to - prob leaving teaching altogether. She says she's not a tick box teacher and she can't do it anymore.

KareninsGirl Sun 03-Nov-13 14:32:34

It's all about data now, dontcha know...

I struggle immensely with this.

ninah Sun 03-Nov-13 14:33:32

data is a big fat liar

soapboxqueen Sun 03-Nov-13 14:43:36

I think its pants might be on fire.

ninah Sun 03-Nov-13 14:44:41

stamps foot grin
actually data is neutral, and sometimes helpful, but it is open to interpretation. And those interpreting don't always have a benign agenda. Is what I meant.

ninah Sun 03-Nov-13 14:46:04

ah soapboax you get it grin

TawdryTatou Sun 03-Nov-13 14:46:35

I once had my data sent back for being too honest.

HT said HMI wouldn't like it.

I had to inflate my predicted grades.

Guess who'll be on the carpet when the students don't make the grades I had to inflate?

ninah Sun 03-Nov-13 14:46:56

data has flaming hot pants round my way.

ninah Sun 03-Nov-13 14:48:04

tawdry I was honest. I asked them, do you want honest? We don't know, they dithered. Now it's too late they want inflated.

ninah Sun 03-Nov-13 14:49:40

the last school I worked at had two sets of data. The honest one and the hot pants one. I know it was hot pants because dd went there, and she's clever, but she's not Einstein.

TawdryTatou Sun 03-Nov-13 14:50:50

It's a disgrace. I'm an honest person. I have to be honest with the kids. But I can't.

It's smoke and mirrors and arse licking and bowing and scraping. Nothing to do with education.

I actually handed my notice in last year, but withdrew my resignation and stayed for my yr11s.

I kind of regret it now.

Data would be so much more meaningful if it just said, 'This is what Child X got on this test' etc instead of trying to shove one level/grade onto an entire term's work AND try to make it fit whatever inflated target Child X has been given this term/day/minute etc.

For everybody feeling a bit (or lot) down about going back, do make sure you've got something nice planned for next weekend - give yourself something to look forward to. And maybe take a nice lunch tomorrow, to give yourself a mini 'treat' within the mayhem.

Can I ask you all honestly if you'd advise against teacher training.

I'm supposed to be starting in September 2014 but some of the recent threads on here (and on the TES) are making me quake with fear. I'm already married to a public sector worker who adores the idea of his job but deals with the moving goalposts and public antipathy on a daily basis. He used to be angry about it but these days he's just sad.

I'm sorry you're all so unhappy. I wish I could say something that would help.

ChippingInLovesAGoodBang Sun 03-Nov-13 15:00:23


I don't know how you do it - far too much crap behind the scenes. It is lovely to watch the kids grow & learn and feel you are making a difference in their lives... but the price you have to pay for that is too high. Sadly it's burning all the good teachers out.

flowers brew cake

TawdryTatou Sun 03-Nov-13 15:02:44

I would honestly say don't do it, Show.

I adored my job. It's all I ever wanted to do.

I returned after 13 years out, and it's unrecognisable. My school is run on a business model, I was observed 9 times last year, I cannot get past RI because I don't play the game, but my results speak volumes.

Who cares about that, though?

I have to carry members of staff who really do not give a shit, but who get paid more than me and get better obs results because they know how to play the game and milk the system.

The only thing that makes it worth while turning up are the kids - but I've had to mess them about so much lately in the name of Gove that I can barely face them any more.

It's shit. And I get paid peanuts.

NewNameforNewTerm Sun 03-Nov-13 15:03:14

And the new primary curriculum beckons! sad Yet more moved goalposts.

ChippingInLovesAGoodBang Sun 03-Nov-13 15:05:28

Showy - I know a few teachers IRL, between them and the posts on MN, you couldn't pay me enough to go into teaching as it is now sad and I love kids and teaching them.

KareninsGirl Sun 03-Nov-13 15:08:33

I would advise against going into teaching...at least until Gove has gone. I never thought I would feel the way I do about a job I was so passionate about.

And I agree that data is usually interpreted to fit an underlying agenda, very depressing.

I stay for the students and to support my (mainly) lovely colleagues, but I'm not sure I can do this for much longer.

Nocomet Sun 03-Nov-13 15:15:56

A governor and a parent of a Y11 who could have done with her S&L mark, rather than a teacher.

Our school is in SM, the reasons for this are to my mind a bit tenuous, deeply tied up in data, predicted grades and standard of management and bugger all to do with the quality of teaching the pupils get or how hard the teachers work at the white board face.

You are all appreciated, by the parents and the DCs, especially your Y11s.

yorkshirepuddings Sun 03-Nov-13 15:19:30

I just feel that all my creativity has been sucked out. I've completely lost my spark.

I have loads to do for tomorrow and feel quite depressed. It is only the last year or so I've started to feel like this.

I've slowly come to the realisation that this will be my last year and I will leave at the end of summer. Making the decision has actually lifted a weight from my shoulders.

The only thing making the job bearable is the students - teenagers are so interesting and funny. I'll miss them.

Oh lordy. I'm so sorry. I have become quite good friends with dd's teacher and she is one of the best primary teachers I've ever met. She is dynamic and interesting and committed and I asked her honestly whether she recommended her job the other day and she simply said she wakes up every day and does it for the children. Her refusal to answer the actual question probably speaks volumes. I don't know what the heck else I can do which I would be good at and would fit in with dh's job and having two children. All of the positives of teaching make me think it must be the best job in the world. All the realities of it make me sad for the whole profession and what it's being reduced to.

SilverApples Sun 03-Nov-13 15:23:09

Showy, I'd advise against it too. sad

Excellent, prostitution it is.

notagiraffe Sun 03-Nov-13 15:27:55

DS1 came in and lay on my bed the other day and said, "I'm so happy.'
I asked why. He said, 'I love my school.'

I asked what he loved about it and he said, 'The teachers. They're all so brilliant. they're so funny and they make learning such fun.'

So you do make an impact. You do make a difference. I remember my favourite teachers and one of them had no idea how much I liked her. I was awful in her class, and yet i learned so much from her that I still apply some of what she taught me almost every day in my current job, and think of her fondly at least once a week.

You are under-appreciated on the surface, but you make a massive impact deep down.

SilverApples Sun 03-Nov-13 15:27:56

grin Just remember Dom not Sub.

SconeForAStroll Sun 03-Nov-13 15:30:28

I trained and taught years ago - pre-dc always planning to return. As Tawdry said it was all I ever wanted to do.

I want to go back but I am much too scared. It is such an all enveloping job anyway, so many hours, so much money on extra resources.

I am at a loss. sad

SilverApples Sun 03-Nov-13 15:30:43

Oh, I often get greeted and waved at and chatted to by ex-pupils who remember all the good stuff, even ten years later. And their parents.
As so many have said, the children are definitely the best bit!
But the downside is outweighing that now, by a considerable amount.

ninah Sun 03-Nov-13 15:31:05

more ethical, and better paid
if I had the body I'd join you

I don't have the body really. If we joined forces, we could cobble something together surely? I can sing a bit. In a good wind. With a deaf audience. There's a niche market for that surely?

MaureensWhites Sun 03-Nov-13 15:35:15

I don't want to either. My school is 'needs improvement' - we're being observed all the time (my first ob 5 mins after children arrive on first day of term) and every carrot - 'you're really improving' comes with a massive stick 'but you need to do much much better'. Total and utter disregard by all authorities for the massive cocking mess our old head left behind when they swanned off a couple of months before Ofsted arrived.

I've had enough and I only work part time. Don't know how the full timers are coping with it.

<group hug with all other disheartened teachers>

WelliesandPyjamas Sun 03-Nov-13 15:35:15

So sad to hear all the teachers on here feeling like this, but sadly understand how you feel. My DH had to make the (extremely) tough decision to leave teaching after only a year, for many of the reasons I see on this thread. He's someone who loves teaching, gets an astoundingly enthusiastic response (and learning!) from children, but who felt pushed to consider the extremely negative effect of the profession on his family life and stress levels. So he left and now gets to spend time with his children every evening instead of withdrawing to the study until midnight...he gets weekends to spend relaxing with all of us...and gets to use his teaching knowledge to help his own children with their school work, instead of never seeing them. It was a very sad but correct choice to make.

However, it might have been that his chain of schools was particularly bad at appreciating staff and seeing what was actually being achieved in the classroom, and extremely good at placing extreme demands on staff and changing the goalposts all the time. As a governor at a different school, I see staff who are admired and appreciated, and who appear to be a team, although of course work very long and dedicated hours like everyone else.

Is there an answer to this? Can the profession be made enjoyable whilst also keeping a fair and constant check on pupils' progress?

MaureensWhites Sun 03-Nov-13 15:35:32

I don't want to either. My school is 'needs improvement' - we're being observed all the time (my first ob 5 mins after children arrive on first day of term) and every carrot - 'you're really improving' comes with a massive stick 'but you need to do much much better'. Total and utter disregard by all authorities for the massive cocking mess our old head left behind when they swanned off a couple of months before Ofsted arrived.

I've had enough and I only work part time. Don't know how the full timers are coping with it.

<group hug with all other disheartened teachers>

MaureensWhites Sun 03-Nov-13 15:36:28

Sorry for double post blush

ninah Sun 03-Nov-13 15:52:40

We are requires improvement too Maureen I share your pain
requires knocking down might be more accurate
Show - my 'behaviour management' is spot on, I think we could be a winning team. You sing to them and I'll chastise them.

TheFallenMadonna Sun 03-Nov-13 16:41:59

This term I have withdrawn all our year 11s from the November Maths exam, changed the Science course being followed by some of our year 9s follwing another government announcement (I know check the government press release website frequently as it is how I find out about major changes - which is just bloody rude of them actually!), read the new draft curriculum for the two core subjects I oversee, and tried to work out if/how we need to change what we do, and how we assess it. I am one of the people who does all those observations that other posters are worrying about (plus I get observed too of course), and I am worrying about the feedback I give, because our HMI said different things to the Lead Inspector. And if you look at lesson obs data and results, there actually isn;t as strong a correlation as youmight expect. Or you might expect if you honestly thought that 20-30 minutes in a classroom is suffient to judge quality of learning.

But - I still love teaching, mostly. And I love my management/leadership role too, mostly. Education is my passion and my vocation (unfashionable view now I think).

But I do feel like I am on a treadmill and the speed is constantly increasing. At some point, I am going to fall off. Hard.

NewNameforNewTerm Sun 03-Nov-13 16:53:19

It is not just "requires improvement" schools. I teach at a school labelled "outstanding" and I don't want to go back. I worked nearly all holiday and I'm still not ready for tomorrow.

KareninsGirl Sun 03-Nov-13 16:56:56

Any idea why I can't see this thread in the topics list any more? Could I have hidden it by accident? If so, how do I 'un-hide' it?

GW297 Sun 03-Nov-13 16:59:23

OP - are you looking to move schools? Have you thought of supply?

NoThanksIAmBusy Sun 03-Nov-13 17:01:25

I am just popping my head around the staffroom door to say that I think you are all amazing.

You make such a difference to childrens lives. My DD (year 4) told me yesterday that she couldn't wait to go back to school because it is so much fun and she loves her teacher so much. I'm so sad that things are so hard for teachers at the moment, but always remember that most of us are hugely grateful and appreciative of you all.

So thank you.

Ilovemyrabbits Sun 03-Nov-13 17:02:05

This thread makes me so sad. I'm a teaching assistant and I see teachers under pressure every day. I see them banging up against the brick wall that is Gove. I seriously hate that man. The teachers at my daughter's old school, which is where I work now, are fantastic. They give so much and they get slagged off in the press all the time. It's just not right.

I have two friends who have recently become teachers and they are both feeling the strain, even though one has only been teaching for a couple of years and the other is fresh in this year. My first friend was fast-tracked to deputy head training and is taking on that role now. She's also been given the SENCO role, maintains part of her teaching responsibilities, is head of subject for her year and is doing a further qualification. She is a workhorse, but even she is struggling to keep up.

They kept telling me to take up a teaching degree, and til recently, I did consider it. Now I've decided instead to do a different course. It'll open up my future choices to educational based jobs, but not necessarily teaching. I think it's the only sensible option.

ReluctantBeing Sun 03-Nov-13 17:02:44

I hardly slept last night and I know I won't sleep tonight. I'm looking forward to seeing the kids, but not the staff. And observations are this week. I'm being observed unit one on Friday, but I am off on Thursday due to a hospital appointment.

Orangeanddemons Sun 03-Nov-13 17:03:26

I teach in an outstanding school too. The stress is awful. We have to keep it in that category all the time. Am too dreading going back. I used to really enjoy it, and love the kids, but the stress is awful.

Feel sick at the prospect, I need to join the group hug. The point is, this is the future of the country we are dealing with, and we all feel terrible. Something is seriously wrong

Orangeanddemons Sun 03-Nov-13 17:04:26

I have hypnosis before my observations, it's the only way I can get through. Works though.....

NewNameforNewTerm Sun 03-Nov-13 17:07:42

Have you told you team leader or HT OP? I think it is important they know how we feel. I did a few weeks ago, at the time all she did was throw up her hands and say "what can I do?", but there were a few subtle changes made.

NewNameforNewTerm Sun 03-Nov-13 17:08:30

Hypnosis ... tell me more. I like the sound of that.

KareninsGirl Sun 03-Nov-13 17:16:06

Right, have worked out how to unhide this thread at last!

Am considering leaving education altogether, GW. I cannot see how, under Gove, things will be any different in the future in any state school. Very sad.

Have tried talking to team leader, newname, but they are under an impossible amount of pressure themselves and no solution could be found. I'm not unique: there are so many of us in my situation in my department and in others.

I feel sick about tomorrow.

LEMisafucker Sun 03-Nov-13 17:17:44

I am saddened to read this too, because it only confirms what i believe about education in this country. My DDs school is by FAR the best school in the area but they will not play ofsteds game and as a consequence ended up with a RI in the latest inspection. I complained about this to ofsted and to be fair it was investigated but as soon a i spoke to the guy who was doing the investigation, his patronising tone told me it wouldn't be upheld, and low and behold it wasn't. Its really upsetting - the teachers at my DDs school are brilliant, go that extra mile all the time and yet they are made to feel inadequate by ofsted. I also had a taste of teaching in FE, chucked in at the deep end with no training, expected to organise controlled practical assesments for GCSE and A level with no support - I ended up having to be signed off with stress and it pushed my anxiety back sky high again. I know college is different but that and constantly reading threads like this and hearing my teacher friends complaining and wanting to leave has lead me to rule this out as a careers choice. Its sickening, i worry for my DDs education, i really do.

Cherrypi Sun 03-Nov-13 17:20:25

I'm intrigued about the hypnosis too. Can't seem to pass my observations at the moment.

Orangeanddemons Sun 03-Nov-13 17:34:46

Well, I was in such a state before an observation, that I couldn't even look at the lesson plan. So I went to see a hypnotist in desperation.

It just makes me more confident, less concerned that things might go wrong, and more in control if they do. Just more in control really, I stop questioning things. The effects don't last for ever, but now we just tweak it to the time of the observation, and it is much much easier. I couldn't do it without. I swear by it, absolutely! Have an ob in a week, booked in for next Saturday smile

Orangeanddemons Sun 03-Nov-13 17:38:01

Tbh, it is amazing, it transforms to be bold confident and assertive in the lesson, whilst under acute observation. I cannot recommend it enough.

Dilidali Sun 03-Nov-13 17:53:38

For those of you feeling sick to the stomach about going back: my little girl could be one of your pupils. She is towards the end of primary school and has struggled with Maths for a while now.
Now, I don't know which one of you guys did some magic, but thanks to one of you she has begged me to test her timetables and spellings this whole half term, because she doesn't want to dissapoint you. She's really excited to see you tomorrow and talk to you about the new author she discovered (R. Kipling), she learnt one of the poems to recite for show and tell, she thinks it links with this term's theme. She'll come in with a copy, just in case she forgets a bit.
I don't know what you like, but I reckon a cake might be in order. Thank you.

exoticfruits Sun 03-Nov-13 18:00:34

It is so sad that the job has changed completely since I started. It is just too stressful now. Every hour in the classroom needs an hour out and there are just now enough hours in a day!
All teachers that I talk to feel the same and yet, like me, they love working with the children.
This week I am going to a school on a voluntary basis for a charity. We are all ex teachers, doing it free because we enjoy it, but all got out of teaching. I can't think of any other profession where people do it for free but don't want the paid job! Gove should take note, it is a sorry state of affairs.
I am no help OP. Just be sure you are not alone and think of the children who will appreciate you.

BrianWont Sun 03-Nov-13 18:16:21

Just reading this thread has made me feel anxious, and I left teaching over a decade ago.

I well remember that sinking feeling at the end of half term - but I still work in education and I see the damage that Gove is doing and I know that teaching is grimmer today than it's ever been - and that's saying something.

I just want to point out that if you do decide to jack it in, there is a better, happier, less stressful life out there, just waiting for you...

soapboxqueen Sun 03-Nov-13 18:46:26

Even though I am leaving, 35 more get upssmile , I am upset that I won't see the children in my class anymore and I worry about them. I know I do a good job, I just can't do that and jump through the hoops.

It's not about working smarter or anything like that. There just isn't enough time to do everything.

KateBeckett Sun 03-Nov-13 19:03:03

Can I join the group hug?
I'm in my second year of teaching, and am dreading Tuesday (training day tomorrow!) I already have a huge list of things that I need to remember, and I feel sick thinking about what I might have forgotten.

To add to it, I am only contracted until Christmas, and have the joys of job applications to worry about as well. I am only applying for permanent jobs this time as I just can't face going through this again in the summer.
sad What makes me doubly sad is that I absolutely adore my current class, and had some lovely comments at parents eve that made me feel like I was in the right job. (Despite the fact I haven't been observed as 'good' since my 2nd teaching placement - coincidently the only school I have experienced where teacher well being was put over box ticking!)


KateBeckett Sun 03-Nov-13 19:03:59

Brian and Soapbox doing what...??

TawdryTatou Sun 03-Nov-13 19:15:04

Yes, doing what?

I'm open to ideas. I'd do practically anything...

soapboxqueen Sun 03-Nov-13 19:35:34

I'm a lucky beggar and I'm going to be a sahm.

Long term I don't know. I may just walk into a field (with juice and biscuits), declare that I am a school and see who joins me.

We need a revolution of some sort and I can get the ball rolling with biscuitsgrin

ninah Sun 03-Nov-13 19:37:21

soapbox that sounds exactly what the government wants. Your training might go against you there though

soapboxqueen Sun 03-Nov-13 20:00:49

The goverment can keep its paws off of my biscuitsangry grin

Lizziegeorge Sun 03-Nov-13 20:12:16

The really sad thing is it's never about the children but the pressure and increasingly a small but nightmare group of parents. Our wonderful head ( who showed us how to play the Ofsted game) is leaving after five minutes in the job. Everyone is blaming the pressure and the parents who seem to have no respect for what he has done for the school ( a huge amount) We are all devastated and moral is at an all time low. This is the first time I've not worked all of half term but now I'm so behind but at least I had a life for a week.
Funny thing is as I'm typing this my own dd has just said how she can't wait to go to school tomorrow!!!! A massive thank you to her teachers, hope they're ok tonight!!

Orangeanddemons Sun 03-Nov-13 20:19:42

If we get 2 requires improvements in our school, we go into capability. Is this the norm everywhere?

Spider7 Sun 03-Nov-13 20:27:09

I left a year ago. Just too much wrong outside the classroom. Can no longer recommend as a career. Loved the kids. They do appreciate you, even the rude ones... bar one or two. Hope the latter part of my post helps.

soapboxqueen Sun 03-Nov-13 20:29:02

I have no idea. Although if it were the case I would expect to see tangible support for improvement or training. Otherwise it's just bullying.

howmuchwouldyoutake Sun 03-Nov-13 20:35:09

Can I join you? I'm filled with dread at the thought of going in tomorrow. I'm in FE and don't get as many holidays as schools so was only off Thursday and Friday.

I had hoped to spend Mon - Wed catching up and getting ahead but meetings, training and a parents event swallowed it all. I'm more behind than i was before half term :-(

IfNotNowThenWhen Sun 03-Nov-13 20:38:16

It's just awful. So many good teachers are leaving left right and centre.
I dont care about Ofsted, or SATS, I just care that ds goes off to school happy in the morning, and is learning.
All this box ticking and pressure cant be good for anyone, kids included.
Lizziegeorge-what did the nightmare parents do?

Inclusionist Sun 03-Nov-13 20:56:31

I'm going too but have to make it through the next 5 half terms. Seems like a mountain right now. sad

So sad to be driven so deeply into the ground.

NewNameforNewTerm Sun 03-Nov-13 21:04:30

What scares me most is carrying on like this for 16 more years! I won't be an effective teacher when I'm in my 60s and I already feel middle-age having an impact on my energy levels.

ReluctantBeing Sun 03-Nov-13 21:31:04

I've got another thirty three years to go. I'm 35. Just not possible.

Loonytoonie Sun 03-Nov-13 21:46:01

Another one to join you with serious blues and low-ness.

I was observed 11 times too last year and now, even after the summer break, I feel burnt out with nothing left to give.

We have jumped through so many hoops, adjusted our teaching methods to keep county and HMI's happy, that I feel I've essentially lost my 'craft' of teaching my subject.

Feel sick to my stomach at the thought of going back. It's not the kids, it's the crazy marking scheme, the demands for data. sad

ReluctantBeing Sun 03-Nov-13 21:48:15

<hugs Loonie>

alwaysonmymind Sun 03-Nov-13 22:10:05

My stomach has churned just reading everyones thoughts sad. I went on supply at Easter. I now see my children in the evenings and at the weekends. A lot of the staff in the four schools I regularly go into are on their knees, newer and more experienced. It is so sad. I remind myself that I can just walk out at the end of the day but I miss the satisfaction of seeing a group of children develop and progress, and not just academically, the emotional improvements too.

I feel a bit like all the PPs. I am not really looking forward to the jobs I have lined up this week.
But what else could I do? This is the only think I have ever wanted to do

KateBeckett Sun 03-Nov-13 22:32:23

This thread makes me feel sad, but relieved as well. sad hugs everyone

ravenAnyKucker Sun 03-Nov-13 22:51:41

Yep, me too.

I have three meetings after school tomorrow. (3.15-3.30, 3.30-4.30, 4.30-5.30).

Not a bloody one of them has anything to do with improving the experience or outcomes for the kids.

Each has been generated by some other poor bugger with a Performance Management target which entails Delivering INSET to their hapless colleagues. So I shall be sitting at the back playing on my phone whilst I'm PowerPointed at.

I should be cracking on with all the proper work I'm behind with after taking my family away for the weekend sad.

Oh yes, & the idiot Gove appears to have re-designed GCSEs on the back of an envelope this week. Again.

Spider7 Mon 04-Nov-13 11:28:39

Although depressing, this post is a positive for me. It confirms to me that I did the right thing in leaving. I felt so bad about it at the time. Esp as more than a few kids had chosen my option knowing they would be taught by me. Sometimes I have wondered about going back. But the posts here remind me of the claustrophobia I felt & the bullying & jealousy that was rampant. Lol, mentioning 'bullied' was a big no, no that could result in disciplinary & threats of being sued!

BrianWont Mon 04-Nov-13 11:40:46

There are gazillions of things out there that ex-teachers can do. There are ex-teachers everywhere. Trouble is, teaching is so all consuming that when you're on the inside you don't have the time or energy to do the research into alternatives.

I currently work in HE admin (earning more than I did as HoD in a comp). I switch my PC off at 5 pm and forget all about work till 9 o'clock the next day. It's bliss.

Don't be scared - start looking, start applying.

Careca Mon 04-Nov-13 11:55:59

I am so sorry

My children have got fabulous teachers, dynamic, inspiring, funny, patient. My youngest kid is FLYING in yr 7.

I am so grateful for you teachers, what a crying shame that disillusion and stupid pressure is driving so many away

SilverApples Mon 04-Nov-13 12:25:33

The children are the best bit, endlessly interesting and no two the same!
I've never been bored in a classroom.

MsFiremanSam Mon 04-Nov-13 13:52:51

This thread makes me so sad, and yet confirms how I and all my teaching friends feel. I've worked in a leafy lane school and I'm now in a school with results well below floor standards. I've been teaching 6 years and am a qualified Advanced Skills Teacher, but I'm burnt out. Teaching takes absolutely everything out of you. I constantly think about leaving. I love the job and the kids with a passion, but the data-obsessed SLT's, driven by the regime of the odious Gove, are sucking the soul out of education. The workload is unmanageable but 90% of it doesn't benefit the kids at all. But they need us! What will become of education if all the best teachers leave? Every time an experienced teacher in my school leaves, they're replaced by unqualified teachers. It's so depressing.

exoticfruits Mon 04-Nov-13 16:39:16

I find it so sad. All the teachers that I know love working with children but they are all stressed. There was one that I really admired, she was excellent and so on the ball, making it all look easy and yet it turned out to be at tremendous personal cost and she was off work for weeks with stress, and she was one without children of her own.
I don't think anyone will spend their entire working life in teaching, they will burn out. Many older teachers look for job shares, it isn't just those with young families. I know many who work as TAs, or do supply teaching so they can have a work/life balance. I meet ex teachers everywhere and they all say the same- love the classroom,but hate the job as it is now.

NorthernShores Tue 05-Nov-13 00:01:57

I'm looking to return after 5 years out. I miss teaching, but not the anxiety. All the Gove target tuff is new to me and I'm not quite sure what I'm walking back into...

BeQuicksieorBeDead Tue 05-Nov-13 09:28:35

Gove should read this and be ashamed. What he would actually think if he read this is that a happy teacher is an underperforming teacher, like his mate Wilshaw says.

I am off in maternity leave now, left on friday, but I spent all of half term doing assessments, data, learning journeys, planning, etc etc so that my poor nqt maternity cover has half a chance if keeping her head above water this side of christmas. Our head is brilliant but the cracks are beginning to show there too, he doesnt know how long he can keep going with the pressure and ridiculous dictates handed down from on high.

I really dont want to go back, even though the kids and parents are great, I love my team and I love the actual teaching.... I can't bear the thought of for hours of work every night after school, when I dont get home until six anyway, with a six month old baby. We all work eleven hours a day as it is.

Inclusionist Tue 05-Nov-13 13:04:34

Unfortunately I'm finding it can't be done with a small child in tow BeQuick.

I just feel like I'm rubbish at both jobs. sad

soapboxqueen Tue 05-Nov-13 16:38:52

That's exactly how I feel so hence me leaving.

KareninsGirl Tue 05-Nov-13 22:48:58

How's everyone feeling, two days in?

I'm still teetering on the edge.

Orangeanddemons Wed 06-Nov-13 08:46:02

I feel better. My classes have been lovely so far. obs next week though ...

BeQuicksieorBeDead Wed 06-Nov-13 12:06:32

inclusion and soap I suspect I will feel the same when I go back. My partner is going to do the majority of childcare which is brilliant and I am very lucky, but school eats my life up and I can see I will either become very crap at my job, very crap at supporting my dp, or have a breakdown! Colleagues that have gone part time just seem to have less money, not more time .....

I love my job and I can't imagine swapping it, but I really want to be the best mum I can be, and the two dont seem possible in my head. Somehow I will be letting someone down.

Worried123456 Wed 06-Nov-13 14:02:40

This is the third thread about unhappy teachers I've looked at on here today and I feel like crying!

What have you done to us, Gove sad

LizzieVereker Wed 06-Nov-13 23:19:21

I'm feeling a lot better now, thank you. The situation that was making me particularly unhappy has been resolved thanks to my lovely line manager. Don't want to give details as will out myself, but I will say that this job is hard enough without a colleague trying to bully you as well!

Still frustrated by the feeling that we are forced to focus on jumping through Govian hoops of wank rather than focusing on the needs of the students. Very sad to read that so many are so unhappy.

ReluctantBeing Fri 08-Nov-13 19:10:34

Does anyone know the protocol for getting feedback following an obs?

ravenAnyKucker Fri 08-Nov-13 21:34:46

Should be prompt, there needs to be a written record of obs which follows an agreed format (we use Ofsted style obs forms), & a chance to discuss/clarify/challenge as appropriate.

School should have a protocol setting it all out as part of their PM policy.

ReluctantBeing Fri 08-Nov-13 22:52:56

I was observed this morning by too assistant heads. Others being observed today had feedback today. I got a email from one of my observers saying they would email feedback over the weekend. I am not amused.

ReluctantBeing Fri 08-Nov-13 22:53:22

Too? Blooming auto correct. *two

SatinSandals Sat 09-Nov-13 07:39:33

I am not surprised that you are not amused. I know teachers who are getting increasingly annoyed by having their downtime at home increasingly invaded by school emails.

HeGrewWhiskersOnHisChin Sat 09-Nov-13 08:15:11

Our observations are now unannounced. We are given a 3 day window.

If anything seen during a formal, informal obs or even just a member of SMT dropping in, is judged as requires improvement, then we do not go up the pay scale next year.

Apologies for my grammar but I have a terrible headache after drowning my sorrows last night. confused

Mummyoftheyear Sat 09-Nov-13 09:50:18

Showof, teaching will NOT fit in with your DH's job and your DC. Fact. It's all consuming - particularly during the first 5 years or so. Your DH will be looking after DC when he gets home. (house chores, packed lunches, washing) and at weekendS while you do your coursework, planning, marking, etc.
You wanted honesty wink
Hope it's not too brutal.

ReluctantBeing Sat 09-Nov-13 12:29:11

HeGrewWhiskers, that is atrocious and goes against union guidelines massively. Have you got a union rep at school?

MummyOfTheYear you are right. It is all-encompassing. My DP feels that he knows some young people really well, despite having never met them. He even ended up with one doing work experience with him. He enjoyed that though.

HeGrewWhiskersOnHisChin Sat 09-Nov-13 12:48:44

We haven't got a union rep at our school. Anything union related normally falls to me to deal with and fight for.

I know that our head isn't allowed to do that, but I'm worried that if I kick up a fuss ill look like I've got something to hide.

However, if any of my lessons are found to be requiring improvement then that's when I will involve the unions.

I think it's disgusting.

ReluctantBeing Sat 09-Nov-13 13:17:21

It is. It makes my school sound reasonable.

Mummyoftheyear Sat 09-Nov-13 13:27:34

smile Reluctant. I have to say though, that although I really suffered from the stress of it all (tool on my health as working ridiculous hours, weekends and school holidays), if not be where I am now if I'd not been through it. I don't think I'd have been able to do it with young children and a family life though. I'd recommend doing teacher training with a view to using it as a stepping stone. This isn't why I went into it. On the contrary. However, I've ended up, with further training, as an assessor and tutor. Pays better, reasonable (mostly) working times and hours. Still make sacrifices and debate whether it's good for my children to have an absent. ( working) mother from X -Y pm, but it's soooo satisfying to be able to teach individuals. I can actually help them to reach their individual potential vs 'teach to the middle', support those whose SATS levels will make a difference to OFSTED. (vs to the children this elves), etc.

Mummyoftheyear Sat 09-Nov-13 13:28:13

toll, not 'tool'. Bloody autocorrect!

Mummyoftheyear Sat 09-Nov-13 13:28:44

I'd, not 'if'. Oh I give up. Fat fingers!

bordellosboheme Sat 09-Nov-13 13:40:06

Wow this thread brings tears to my eyes.
Dp is a teacher and has been doing it for 15 years. He says it's hard. After reading this I believe him. He's such a good dad though and never brings stress home. I'll appreciate him more after reading this.

sofia31 Sun 10-Nov-13 20:44:56

This thread also makes me sad. I have loved teaching for the first 7 years. Now trying to juggle parenting and full time teaching is nearly impossible. I am facing new performance management observations, where I am told as on UPS I must be outstanding. Does anyone else have any experience of such expectations?

storynanny Sun 10-Nov-13 20:52:13

Sofia, I think there are great changes afoot re UPS. Im waiting to see what will happen to supply teachers pay under the new pay and conditions. Im on UPS 3 as that is where I was when I took early retirement last year. As supply teachers are "new" every time they go to a school, there wont be any requirement for the school to pay the rate which the supply teacher has been on previously. If my county decide to go for a flat rate on point 1 main scale that will mean a 45% pay cut for me.
Not sure how performance management is going to work for supply teachers. Although I feel I work very hard and put all my usual effort and enthusiasm into a days supply, of course I am no longer doing all the extra that went with my full time UPS3 role. And I go home before I used to when working full time.

ReluctantBeing Sun 10-Nov-13 23:03:45

I don't think they can expect every obs to be outstanding. They can ask you to do more stuff though.

God - just found this thread. I feel exactly the same. I'm back at a new (state) school, having taught in a private one for a number of years. I am appalled at the hoop-jumping and unmanageable amount of admin. Thank goodness it is only a maternity cover. Back to the independent sector for me, asap. It wasn't anything like this bad last time I was in a state school.

celestialsquirrels Tue 12-Nov-13 18:34:08

Would those of you who love teaching but are considering leaving the profession nor consider working in the private sector? Treating it as a break from constant ofsted inspections etc etc for a few years until Gove has gone and normality once again returns to the state sector? Wouldn't that be better than chucking in what you love and becoming de skilled? Or am I just naive?

It just seems like so many of you are committed, wonderful teachers and what a waste to lose you from teaching completely...

TawdryTatou Tue 12-Nov-13 18:45:53

RI in an LEA inspection today. I put hours into that lesson. They said they didn't see any evidence of progress I the 20 minutes they were in.

That was a set 3 group, who worked out the meaning of a poem they'd never seen before, with minimal input from me. But that happened once the inspectors had gone, so I get an RI. Again.

I give up. I don't know how to play this game any more. hmm

ravenAK Wed 13-Nov-13 21:28:18

Nope celestialsquirrels - I'm sitting Gove out.

If I leave education before he does, it'll be feet bloody first. I'm too stubborn to let that little shit drive me out.

I don't hold with private education anyway, but even if I did, it's not a big enough lifeboat for all of us!

ReluctantBeing Thu 14-Nov-13 22:01:18

I'm determined to see Gove out too.
Tawdry, same for me.

ninah Thu 14-Nov-13 22:05:55

We are RI, inspection or obs every week, my skin has broken out in huge sores, team with no training, everyone fed up, people leaving like flies ....am being told it's getting better and this is a normal stage in the process towards good
Is this normal?

ReluctantBeing Thu 14-Nov-13 22:27:08

God, you poor thing. I'm frequently forcing myself to ignore the powers that be hammering down the stress, and focus on the kids. They are important.

Endofmyfeather Fri 13-Dec-13 01:58:19

This thread actually just made me cry on a BUS! blush

I'm a teacher, on a few years hiatus while living abroad and working in HE Admin. I miss teaching, my ex colleagues and the kids so, so much. But then I read these things and remember all the shit that had crept into the job I truly loved and it actually makes me weep (...on a bus!) because even the thought of going back into it makes me anxious.

Michael Gove: the biggest exception to "don't hate the player, hate the game". What a bloody tragic mess.

Sparkle9 Sat 14-Dec-13 02:31:52

I'm a senior leader in an outstanding primary. I appear to be pretty successful at my job. However I work ALL the time and never manage to get through it all. More and more work seems to be generated or demanded. And I'm all too aware that this sometimes means that I have to pass things onto the classroom teachers (I have a four days teaching commitment so I'm keenly aware of the pressures). The gatekeeper to this seems to be the head. And the head insists that we must do XY and Z. When I ask why, I usually get a response along the lines of 'we have to show Ofsted...'

I hoped to be a head in the future but I'm torn between pursuing this and leaving teaching altogether. I don't want to be a head if I can't lead a school in the way that I want to - for the children and their learning. If it won't impact positively on the children then I don't see the point! And I think there's far too much emphasis on data and marking - especially for our youngest pupils. So I will probably 'fail' as a head anyway!

I have started browsing job adverts and would leave teaching if I found something else. I need it to be a well paid job so that I can make sure any future offspring of mine can go to an independent school of my choosing seeing as all the state school teachers are being worn down and driven out of the profession. :-(

jellyandcake Sat 14-Dec-13 04:13:16

What is HE Admin? A couple of posters have mentioned they have gone into this from teaching? I am going on my second maternity leave in April and don't want to return to teaching. I just don't know what else to do and we can't afford for me to have a gap. I have thought of exam marking and transcription work though I worry that working at home may be isolating. I can't keep up teaching though - as evidenced by the fact I am awake at 4am searching for alternative job ideas!!

Misssss Sat 14-Dec-13 11:36:50

I've just left my job. Don't have another to go to at the moment but the dole queue is better than five more minutes in my hellhole school. I had an interview last week (I didn't get the job) When I asked my head for the morning off, she turned round and said, "Oh, they probably had a cancellation." School has recently got inadequate in Ofsted and it is just awful.

Was scared about leaving but I feel ten stones lighter - so happy, cannot wait for the 20th! I have two interviews next week at nicer schools so fingers crossed I get one of those, if not something will come up.

ninah Sat 14-Dec-13 19:42:19

Good luck missss! I feel quite envious. Even the thought of lasting til Easter seems grim in my school

Misssss Sun 15-Dec-13 08:28:13

Thank you Ninah! You will be fine! Are you definitely going at Easter? Just having and end date makes everything so much better. Roll on next week...

SummerPlum Sun 15-Dec-13 09:12:18

jelly, HE Admin = working in a university, but on the support side (not as an academic, which is every bit as stressful as being a teacher).


Good luck.

jellyandcake Sun 15-Dec-13 10:54:13

Thanks - would working in HE admin roles be term time or do they run year-round? I am prepared to work full time in a less stressful role than part-time in teaching so I would work five days for a similar salary (or less) as I am currently getting for three days but I have brilliant term time only childcare so ideally I am looking for term time work but I realise this is the holy grail for a lot of people!

ninah Sun 15-Dec-13 13:11:35

thanks! I have written my resignation letter out several times, sometimes with fantastic frankness grin but am yet to hand it in.

SummerPlum Sun 15-Dec-13 16:52:25

Jelly, most professional services jobs in Unis will be year-round. Things don't stop when the students are on holiday! It can be hard work, but it's office work (so at least you can go for a piss when you like, unlike teaching!), and the pay and conditions tend to be quite good, depending on where you live. Term-time only work is indeed popular, and I know some admin workers who have managed to wangle it, but you'll obviously stand a better chance if you're flexible and prepared to work full time.

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