Any CELTA experts around? (Any EFL teachers maybe?)

(77 Posts)
BertieBotts Thu 11-Apr-13 22:43:54

Trying to finish one of my assignments. I have to think of a controlled and freer practice and I've been suggested to focus it on pronunciation, it's specifically for a Russian learner, so w/v or th would be best.

However - you can't really do freer practice for pronunciation, right? So what do I doooooo?

CarpeVinum Thu 11-Apr-13 22:49:47

I'm old. So I have a CTEFLA.

Ahhh, let's think. Well (EASY!) toungue twisters would work for CP, althpugh personally I have a soft spot for running dictation....ah but!...FP could work into that.

Set them up in small groups and have them write their own toungue twisters using the target phoneme(s) which then get used by the other team as their text for the running dictation.

Please to not judge my English in this post. I had four groups of super teeny tinies one after the other. Am tired. 4 year olds can suck the life put of you if they are having a collective bad day.

CarpeVinum Thu 11-Apr-13 22:51:28

Or my spelling. Please to not judge that either. Cannot spell even when having a good day.

Which does makes choosing this line of a work a tad masochistic.

BertieBotts Thu 11-Apr-13 23:06:34

Haha - don't worry!

That sounds good in theory but it's for a pre-intermediate group so probably a bit too complicated. However have just managed to get some sensible advice from the 5th person I badgered from my course, and a highly illegal PDF copy of Ship or Sheep, so I may finally be set. Love the idea of running dictation, though. If I can find something simple yet challenging enough.

NishiNoUsagi Thu 11-Apr-13 23:26:12

Well, I thought I was a CELTA expert, been teaching EFL for years, but just read the question and my brain just made a squelching noise and said "Wuh?" wink

I am supposed to be starting my MA (Applied Linguistics) this year, but I can't remember any of this stuff - I'm going to get my arse handed to me on a plate aren't I <sob>

I did shed a nostalgic tear at "Ship or Sheep"!

YoniBottsBumgina Thu 11-Apr-13 23:29:03

I'm finding Ship or Sheep quite entertaining. "What are we having for lunch, Wendy?" "Veal sandwiches!" Love it.

Please excuse the name change <very professional>

NishiNoUsagi Thu 11-Apr-13 23:31:16

How free does the free practice have to be, and does it matter what kind of activity?

Something that just popped into my poor frazzled brain that might work for pre int, is if you can give them the target sounds on pieces of paper (say 2 or 3 sounds) They can turn over 2 bits of paper and have to use those target sounds to make a sentence.

So if they turn over "w" and "v", they could make a sentence like "Wine is very nice." for eg. Would something like that work or is it too rubbish? It would be free in the sense they'd have to choose their own words (and recognise that that word should be a v or w) and produce their own sentences.

CarpeVinum Thu 11-Apr-13 23:32:43

and my brain just made a squelching noise

Makes two of us.

I don't remember phonemes as TL when trying to get to grips with PPP.

That's just mean.

NishiNoUsagi Thu 11-Apr-13 23:33:57

TL??

PPP?? confused

<has nervous breakdown>

CarpeVinum Thu 11-Apr-13 23:37:30

Breathe. grin

You do remember this. It is just languishing somewhere in the back of your head cos an inner roadmap of Headway Pre-Inter turned out to be more of a priority day to day than the jargon on the CTEFLA.

Target language

Presentation, Practice, Production

TTT, test, teach, test.

It'll all come flooding back as soon as you need it.

NishiNoUsagi Thu 11-Apr-13 23:38:19

Aahh target language blush
Had to google PPP though! I'm going to fail miserably aren't I grin

YoniBottsBumgina Thu 11-Apr-13 23:40:36

I don't know what TL is - teacher led? PPP is present - practice - produce.

I did wonder about getting them to brainstorm in groups as many words as they can think of which use the sounds v and w. I did this recently for an upper-int group with rhyming words, and that worked well and seemed to count as freer practice.

I don't know how "free" it's supposed to be, but you can't tell them what to say and you can't leave them totally to their own devices. Sometimes it feels very much like box ticking and trying to guess at what they (the tutors!) want. I've been told you can't really do free practice with pron anyway unless it's as part of another activity. So I don't really understand why my tutor has suggested I do an activity focusing on pron when the assignment dictates that we have to show one controlled and one freer practice for each activity we suggest for this assignment.

YoniBottsBumgina Thu 11-Apr-13 23:41:05

Aha target language! Yes that makes sense.

CarpeVinum Thu 11-Apr-13 23:41:30

I'm going to fail miserably aren't I

Nope. In fact you'll have an advantage cos the CTEFLA and all your practical experience will give you a leg up. And anyway applied linguistics has all its own "stuff" so everybody will be playing "what the fud does that accronym mean?!?"

YoniBottsBumgina Thu 11-Apr-13 23:42:06

Maybe you can tell them what to say then with pron if you're wanting to see how they pronounce it, as long as you don't model first? Running dictation starting to look v good.

YoniBottsBumgina Thu 11-Apr-13 23:42:52

LOL. Yes to the course-specific acronyms and jargon. It will probably be totally different, don't worry!

NishiNoUsagi Thu 11-Apr-13 23:43:55

Thanks Carpe <takes notes and curses lack of brain>

I did my CELTA over 10 years ago, have been teaching constantly since then (overseas though, where they seem a bit less strict on "method") so either my PPPs and TTTs are so ingrained I don't notice them, or I am just babbling nonsense at a bunch of poor confused foreigners! grin I may and go dig out my old teaching practice books..

Sorry for the threadjack Botts Good luck with the assignments, let us know how it goes!

CarpeVinum Thu 11-Apr-13 23:46:39

I did wonder about getting them to brainstorm in groups as many words as they can think of which use the sounds v and w

That'd work.

Or if time is a bit short you can give each team a clump of words from previous lessons (recycle that lexis, baby!) And then to make it a bit more "speaky" they can play definitions against another team. So they (orally) define their word. "meat of cow that is small" and the other team has to come up with veal (orally).

Heh.

"the thing that a man is most proud of"

"drives badly, requiring rude hand signal" grin

<gets immature>

saffronwblue Thu 11-Apr-13 23:51:23

Yes it is weird setting a pron activity to demonstrate controlled and freer practice. The idea of controlled to freer practice is that the language use becomes increasingly personalised and meaningful.

How about controlled - sort out a list of words ( cut up on bits of paper ) and identify whether they have a w or v sound. this will involve lots of saying the words out loud as theyput them into two piles.

Freer practice - give them prompts to put the words in sentences. It is not totally free but if it is totally free they they may not use the target language at all. Or come up with a situation that requires the tricky sounds. eg ask Wendy to join you for a glass of wine (or vodka!) on Wednesday at the Victory pub.

(Having many years of being a CELTA trainer in the past, I do think this is a surprising task).

NishiNoUsagi Thu 11-Apr-13 23:52:45

I like that idea! Having had lots of Russian students, I have a feeling they would take that one and run with it for hours grin

YoniBottsBumgina Thu 11-Apr-13 23:53:50

Haha grin yes brainstorming is good I think - and also potentially increases vocabulary when done in groups, which would also help my particular learner! The assignment was to interview one learner, record and transcribe, then analyse their language problems and now come up with 2 separate activities to improve 2 of these particular problems. Oh, and they have to be suitable for the whole group, which is why I initially got a rewrite as they said my activity was suitable for a mother of a young child but not relevant to the group. I had photocopied a Where's Wally book and the activity was to describe what was happening in the picture using the present continuous. I mean, who doesn't like Where's Wally??

YoniBottsBumgina Thu 11-Apr-13 23:56:46

Saffron I was going to do two grammar exercises - one on tenses and one on articles, but I wasn't sure as one of my fellow trainees said he'd failed his initial submission as he had done exactly that, he was told he couldn't have two on grammar. And really, you can't do controlled/freer on reading/listening, and that doesn't help them with problems producing the language. So the only thing to do is either vocab - and my learner has limited vocab, but where do you start?? Or pronunciation, which is what my tutor suggested.

CarpeVinum Thu 11-Apr-13 23:57:00

NishiNoUsagi

I think at the beginning TTT and PPP just get dumped for "doing the book" cos the workload is horrendous and when I did it they never showed you how to integrate it into ...well...the real life of being a TEFL slave.

After a while you get to grips with recognising it in the text book and thenit just sorts of slips back in until it's second nature when you are forced to wing it cos some bastard went sick at the last minute.

I only realised that I was varying my microstaging on the fly (complete with a short flash of little diagrams in my head) a few years ago . Until then I would have confidently stated that I didn't even remember the whole half an hour we spent on it in a month long course.

saffronwblue Thu 11-Apr-13 23:58:05

Yes, CELTA is very hot on adult learning principles. The Where's Wally activity sounds nice but there are some adult learners who would look askance at anything that seems childlike. Some people already feel infantilised by being a foreign language learner and you don't want to disengage them.

YoniBottsBumgina Thu 11-Apr-13 23:59:17

True, good point.

YoniBottsBumgina Fri 12-Apr-13 00:09:46

I love mumsnet grin experts on everything, even at midnight. Thank you all! Now whether to torture myself asking about the other assignment that I've already emailed in!

CarpeVinum Fri 12-Apr-13 00:14:27

Oh go on. You know you want to grin

And I haven't had a good TEFL yatter in ages. The downside of working for yourself.

Well one of the downsides. I am the worst boss I have ever had. Horribly unsympathtic and making me go to work when I feel "ill".

YoniBottsBumgina Fri 12-Apr-13 00:22:58

Haha. I'm in Germany and it's past 1am here!

The hassle/stress I was having earlier was over my other assignment, which I also had to rewrite. Language assessment or something, basically, we have to define an item of lexis using context and CCQs. I did fine on this for the first one (vocab) but the second one was a pain - it was all grammar, which is fine, 2 out of 3 were fairly easy because they have one meaning (I've lost X, and shouldn't have) but they also wanted us to define the passive voice using context and CCQs.

Eventually I just changed the example they gave us (the house was built in X) to something that sounded more natural to me (my bike was stolen) and then the CCQs were about whether it was important that the bike was stolen, or who stole it, but I don't know if I will get marked down (I failed the other one because I changed "pension" to "pension scheme") - I just found it really difficult to identify a structure, rather than one set meaning, using CCQs and context.

CarpeVinum Fri 12-Apr-13 00:29:16

Well your questions sound fine. Emphasis in the right place in terms of underlining the function of the passive voice.

I think the only minor whinge might be pension SCHEME, but that's cos I live in Italy and by using scheme I would have ended up derailed by a false friend.

I think the bike lends itself better to engaging context than the house. Pic of distraught man in silly helmet and indecent shorts flapping about in front of a policmen asking questions. Bob's your uncle.

saffronwblue Fri 12-Apr-13 00:36:02

Well you have nailed the concept of the passive that we don't know or don't want to say. So your ccqs are about "do I know who stole the bike?' so I'm sure you will be fine. I can't comment on how prescriptive your tutors are likely to be about changing the topic.

What week of the course are you in? How is TP going?

CarpeVinum Fri 12-Apr-13 00:36:19

about whether it was important that the bike was stolen, or who stole it

If they come back to you on that, with the passive the agent is unimportant, or unknown. Both could work with the bike.

My bike was stolen (which is why I'm late) agent unimportant
My bike was stolen (and I want you to find and arrest and HANG the fucker!) agent unknown.

I like your bike example.

It is giving me ideas for the next time I teach the passive which will nclude men in silly shorts.

So I am stealing it.

<welcome to the world of TEFL>

grin

saffronwblue Fri 12-Apr-13 00:54:54

Yes, the passive puts the focus on the outcome.The bike was stolen, the man was shot, the harvest was brought in, the email was hacked, etc etc.

CarpeVinum Fri 12-Apr-13 00:58:56

In fact I like all the examples here better than the yawn fest that mades it into the text books.

I want more bike stealing, email hacking, people shooting and a damn sight less company founding, building building, and other assorted boring bollocks that sends me and the student(s) to sleep.

YoniBottsBumgina Fri 12-Apr-13 00:59:10

Ha grin thanks! I'm technically in week 12 hmm we lost half a week because of the snow and then because it's extended past Easter it's been pushed even further because some people couldn't make certain dates. And I have a 40 minute TP to catch up on which I missed due to illness, but I'll miss observing at that level because I'm abroad, and I haven't taught them for about 6 weeks now. Annoying, oh well. I can look back over the video footage they made us take and everyone was too self conscious to watch! Apart from this we just have one last input session, they said on my last TP they thought I was safe to release into the world... sounds slightly ominous. I did have a brilliant last TP, though, I got them to write limericks, which everyone except the mad teacher said would never work and it DID grin

YY my CCQs are something like that - what happened to the bike, do I know who stole it, is it important who stole it? (No because the rest of the context is about how I have to get the bus now) - although being late is better, ah well.

CarpeVinum Fri 12-Apr-13 01:04:30

Needing to get the bus is just as good as being late. It just helps put what is being siad in context, and the bus does that really well.

Man in silly shorts at bus stop is also quite funny. And brill image for setting up a context.

12 weeks! Bloody hell it's got long. When I did it it was only four weeks.

YoniBottsBumgina Fri 12-Apr-13 01:05:11

Text books are dullsville, only ever entertaining unintentionally. We should make a mumsnet one.

YoniBottsBumgina Fri 12-Apr-13 01:07:34

Oh you can still do it in 4 weeks, but I am doing it part time which is supposed to be 10/11 weeks. <hollow laugh at concept of it being part time> - then again I am working part time too, so I suppose it does count. Must be pretty hardcore in 4, though.

"I am late" would have been better because it's simpler language than "I have to get the bus" and my tutor is picky about language of context being graded so that the only tricky part is the target language.

YoniBottsBumgina Fri 12-Apr-13 01:10:43

I think the mumsnet textbook needs references to Centre Parcs. And the oxo tower. And pom bears, of course.

CarpeVinum Fri 12-Apr-13 01:12:39

ohhh I spy a business op grin

English with Mumsnet

Unit 1 - The Imperitive: How to tone your Fanjo.
Unit 2 - Functions- Giving advice: You should leave the bastard !
Unit 3 - Model verbs for making deductions: Troll spotting.

heh

YoniBottsBumgina Fri 12-Apr-13 01:13:52

Brilliant grin

Unit 4 - Adverbs of degree. How unreasonable are you being?

YoniBottsBumgina Fri 12-Apr-13 01:14:28

Unit 5 - Intonation: Did you mean to sound so rude?

CarpeVinum Fri 12-Apr-13 01:18:01

Must be pretty hardcore in 4

Wine helped. grin

Don't think I slept much.

But I was about a million years younger and had stamina in those days. No way I could do it now. I'd fall over.

CarpeVinum Fri 12-Apr-13 01:26:42

YoniBottsBumgina

grin

I think we could get seven units out of AIBU alone.

Justine's lifestory can feature as reading comp.

Oh feck, we are back to boring passive as an extension activity

"Mumsnet ____ (to found) in 1997. It's forums _ _ (to open) to posters at half past 8 and within five minutes the inaugural bunfight _ __ (to initiate) when CuntyChops ____ (to accuse) of being a judgemental bint who probably worked for the Daily Fail. hmm faces ___ (to post) by various agents from MNHQ to no avail. Gin _ ___ (to consumed) by the vatload when the server _ ___ (to crash) by an influx of trolls from ARSE.

I'm sure we could shoe horn a bit of email hacking int here at least.

saffronwblue Fri 12-Apr-13 01:29:26

I've delivered both 4 week and 12 week courses and always found the part time mode became a drain on everyone. Most people can carve out 4 weeks for solid intensity, but anything longer and real life starts to intrude.

Unit 6 Vocab "naice"
Unit 7 Swearing in context
Unit 8 Reading skills- read the whole fucking thread first!

CarpeVinum Fri 12-Apr-13 01:31:46

read the whole fucking thread first!

grin

and then we can confuse them by banging on about skimming and scanning instead of reading every single word intensively (with a dictionary in hand)

<evil cackle>

YoniBottsBumgina Fri 12-Apr-13 07:49:48

I agree saffron. Everyone started out saying, god, I don't know how anyone does this in 4 weeks, then by half term we all understood grin

It's great though. I'm really enjoying it. Not sure 3 weeks off for Easter was sensible, as I'm struggling to get back into it now, but I definitely feel it's been worth it. I don't think I'd have managed a 4 week one with a DC anyway.

FiteFuaite Sat 13-Apr-13 00:25:40

I hear your Ship or Sheep and raise you a Tree or Three grin

Do you oldies remember Offstage? And Challenge to Stink? I mean,Think?!

I bought them off the net recently for old time's sake and it was such a blast from the past. I am prob the oldest tefler on here,though sad

CarpeVinum Mon 15-Apr-13 16:02:39

Challenge to Stink? I mean,Think?

Oh yes.

Not offstage though.

Are you our golden oldie FiteFuaite grin

Evidence that TEFLers never do get to retire.

I think I'll be doing this till they are no longer able to prop me up, or I get demensia. Pensions not being a typical benefit offered.

Oh well, by the time I hit fifty years service at least I may have finally perfected teaching relative pronouns.

I hate relative pronouns. Not sure why. I Just Do.

YoniBottsBumgina Mon 15-Apr-13 20:19:19

I need to pick all of your brains again smile

What is worse as a first-teaching-job-after CELTA type experience? The "language factories" like Berlitz etc, or going straight into freelance? I am a bit nervous about going freelance straight away but it seems that Berlitz etc might be my only option otherwise. That was the route I assumed I'd go down - generic language school and then branch out once I feel confident in my own ability to teach and set a curriculum etc, but then someone has said the teaching conditions are awful. Are they really so bad?

saffronwblue Tue 16-Apr-13 09:26:42

Can't comment about the teaching conditions but the problem with big factories like Berlitz is they often have a "method" which is like a script and violates everything you have just learned about interactive languge teaching. On the other hand, freelancing means you probably are not getting support from other teachers or leadership in the curriculum. I would look for a small school just to build up your confidence and allow you to try out some different techniques. It is a lovely liberating feeling when you are not in TP and you can just find your natural style.

Salbertina Tue 16-Apr-13 09:51:09

Yes, their method is 9-steps or something (or was that AA?!)..anyway, contradicts everything you learn on a celta course, pay poor and principal used yo be able to listen in to a class.. Not sure if this is even legal now.
Id recommend a school which recognizes the celta and requires it.

CarpeVinum Tue 16-Apr-13 11:35:44

Try places like Wall street and inLingua first. They are franchises so quality of experince varies.

Franchises are useful to get yourself established somewhere, then you can find out where the other teachers hang out and discover the inside track on local schools.

Once you have a couple of years experience keep checking in at the nearest British Council for freelance work. I got my (no degree, no DELTA) foot in the door that way and ending up working full time for them, (inc running conferences, seminars and workshops for the region on the BC's recommendation) as a result for several years before I got up duffed.

If there is a BC near it is worth going to any seminars they offer, especially those for the Cambridge exams, as a way of getting your face known and making contacts. Make sure you go and introduce youself to the seminar giver at the end and say how much you enjoyed it/found it helpful. Ask if you can email me them for suggestions of additional reading material/resources.

All sorts of better/good school lower their on paper requirements for teachers if they have a class with no teacher during golden time, so once you are in the place you want to be don't stick to just looking at ads and only applying for jobs that decribe your experience and qualifications. Try to devolp contacts with other teachers and let it be known you are up for onwards and upwards opportunities.

And research anybody who offers you a job. There are some right cowboy outfits out there. Google the school name, place with "esl black list" or "esl grey list" "esl teacher review". Should give you a heads up if a school is notorious for not paying or treating its teachers like shit.

CarpeVinum Tue 16-Apr-13 11:44:33

I am fully freelance now. Don't even take contracts in state school, let alone private language schools at this point.

But it was hard work getting to this point and I made some serious miscalculations along the way.

The benefit of even a bog standard (not as bad as Belitz) language school is that you get a wide range of experience thrust upon you. From teeny tinies to Big Wanky Bankers who think alot of themselves and expect a bit of bowing and scraping. It can feel like being hurled on a particularly scary fairground ride sometimes. Lots of new stuff before you feel confident you have found your feet. But the pay off is fantastic if you just white knuckle it and learn as you go. You will make mistakes, we all do, but those mistakes are the foundation upon which your future experitise is built.

Do you need a fixed income every month? Do you have back up savings ? How is your stamina, as in can you keep going from 9am to 9pm for the sake of five contact hours ? Are you teaching to travel, or is the travel a lovely side benefit of the teaching ? Once you have worked out what you need and what you want from this new adventure, it'll be easier to work out what kind of work suits your needs.

CarpeVinum Tue 16-Apr-13 12:01:06

Worth giving this forum a read, to see if anybody has had any really rubbish experiences with a school you are considering applying to.

forums.eslcafe.com/job/index.php

YoniBottsBumgina Tue 16-Apr-13 12:19:26

I have a DS who is only 4, so no way can I do 12 hour shifts for the benefit of 5 hours' teaching.

The reason for teaching is because it seemed interesting, and DP moved here with his job, so sort of the teaching and travel are all rolled into one new exciting package!

DP is hoping that we can survive on his income alone and is looking for a house based on that figure, but it might be important to have my income too - it would certainly make things easier.

I can't speak German (which is where we are) and I don't have teaching qualifications or a degree, only the CELTA. So I've been told it's unlikely I will find work in a state school - but I don't even know what that means particularly - is it a state school as in a high school, with teenagers? Or something else?

Basically I know roughly what I want/need, fairly predictable hours, preferably mornings or evenings although daytimes could be negotiable, no waiting around not getting paid, don't really mind if the pay is shit to start out with, but would prefer some support if possible!

I think there is a Wall Street here. I'll have a look. DP reckons that he should be able to get me some work-from-home stuff with his company for when we first move over which will be a help, and give me a chance to go looking around!

YoniBottsBumgina Tue 16-Apr-13 12:27:45

Sorry, I meant to say - I know what I want, I just don't know what's realistic and what the different options will offer me.

CarpeVinum Tue 16-Apr-13 12:45:53

I think if you already have one income, and yours is supplementary, you can afford to be a bit more picky. With a kid I don't see how you have any option other than to avoid the sausage factory type schools.

Is the little one going to nursery ? If so any idea what hours he'll be doing ?

FiteFuaite Wed 17-Apr-13 17:28:23

I worked for Berlitz years ago and while the method was repetitive at the lower levels,it was a great place to start,for me,at any rate. I had classes ranging from kids classes to business English classes in various companies,although it was a bit of a waste of all the CTEFLA stuff I had done. All that cutting and pasting,all gone to waste <shakes head sadly>grin

CarpeVinum,I lurve relative pronouns and def/non-def clauses. I used Focus on FCE to teach it once and it just clicked with me! ( Of course,I couldn't tell the students why I kept saying 'Oh,now I get it!!' grin)

I am not a fan of the comparative/superlative...what a load of old palaver angry wink

FiteFuaite Wed 17-Apr-13 17:30:56

(Oh and,if I might share my EFL highlight which means nothing to regular folk. I have touched Mario Rinvolucri's sweaty back shock Don't hate me!)

CarpeVinum Wed 17-Apr-13 21:06:28

Mario Rinvolucri's sweaty back

And may one enquire on the context for that target language ? grin

Was he hairy? I have always immagined him hairy.

And a bit unkempt.

FiteFuaite Wed 17-Apr-13 22:08:19

I think it was a getting to know you game from 'Grammar Games' ,you had to write something on your partner's back and then they had to guess what it was...I can't remember what I wrote on his back,but I think it was something short :D Oh the heady days of EFL grin

He was quite hairy,but the sweat is what I will never forget grin Is he still on the go? I miss EFL sad I am now in ESOL and we all take ourselves Very Seriously Indeed.

CarpeVinum Wed 17-Apr-13 23:17:36

I think it was a getting to know you game from 'Grammar Games'

And they you have it people, EFL foreplay grin

I think he is still on the go, him and Harmer will probably be on the conference circuit til the nursing home rips the transparacies from their cold, dead hands. But at least you know where you are with the old guard.

Unlike these Dogme boys who appear to have "discovered" winging it and siezing a learning op by the short and curlies on the fly and managed to market it as The Next Big Thing.

Come back to the (slightly boozy) TEFL dark side Fite We are all unplugged, loose, responsive and deliciously unplany these days (allegedly).

Unless caring and shareing in the EFL classroom get a revival, in which case I am defecting to you lot.

Salbertina Thu 18-Apr-13 16:40:20

EFL foreplay grin

Had no idea there were so many fellow TEFL-heads on here! I made it to the dizzy heights of EAP thanks to my (now rather dusty but hard-won) diploma, get me...

Would hardly recognise a relative pronoun if it smacked me round the chops now though!

Salbertina Thu 18-Apr-13 16:42:31

As not taught for years.. Miss it in some ways but had definitely got sick of crappy UK pay & conditions after Asia burnt out though.

FiteFuaite Thu 18-Apr-13 21:56:58

I have been thinking about doing an MA as everyone seems to have one in ESOL. I did my diploma yonks ago,though.Twas all about chunking back then and being eclectic. Not sure I have the brain power any more!

I thought of another EFL claim to fame on my way home from work today. I have seen Felicity O'Dells bra. Twas grey.

FiteFuaite Thu 18-Apr-13 22:17:05

The shame!! Felicity O'Dell's bra,I meant

YoniBottsBumgina Fri 19-Apr-13 21:31:53

Sorry I haven't been posting - my Internet access is pretty rubbish at the moment. Just wanted to come on and say thank you all so much for your input, my assignments passed! I told my tutor today about the flappy cycling short man at the bus stop and she laughed and said she liked it. I did my last ever TP today. Out on my own now. I feel quite bereft. Also had my first swearing incident in class - one student offered "pissed off" as a feeling word. I even wrote it on the board grin I just put (rude) after it.

saffronwblue Fri 19-Apr-13 23:13:26

Well done Yoni! I'm laughing at Mario's sweaty back. I think of him as a very 70s touchy feely type. It is a long time since I taught but I do a bit of consulting which keeps me in touch with EFL centres and I don't want ot give that up.
My claim to fame- I did my CTEFLA at IH with Liz Soars (of Headway fame and $$) as one of the trainers. Then in the 90s I co-authored a book which was associated with the Headway series. Still get small royalty cheques each year.

FiteFuaite Sat 20-Apr-13 11:06:17

Yay!! well done,YBB!! What a relief to get it over and done with smile

Saffron,love your claim to fame! Is it true the bould Liz and John have their own island?!

Headway was great when I lived abroad,when I moved back to the UK to teach we couldn't use it at all as it had been done to death by every efl student in the world. I used to know HW int by heart,the reading about Paul McCartney driving a mini? I have repeated that story many a time around a dinner table! Indeed,a lot of my general knowledge came from an efl course book. People knew when I started a sentence with ' Oh I read somewhere that...' what would follow would be a very grammatically-correct anecdote from Grapevine or Distinction or Reward Upr or summat grin

NishiNoUsagi Sun 28-Apr-13 23:46:48

Yay Yonibotts that's great news! grin

I worked for a fairly large but not chain school just after I got my certificate, they were great as they had a set coursebook but were pretty flexible about what supplementary materials you could use. They also had a great DoS, who was very supportive of new teachers. I've never worked for a big chain actually, sounds a nightmare. My last proper job was another small school overseas where they let me loose writing course curricula, that was fantastic! I was in geek overload grin

After that job, I worked freelance overseas, and found it fantastic, I could set the hours I wanted to work, design my own lesson plans and courses and I was really lucky to get great students. It was good money too, but it was Japan so people were willing to pay £15+ for an hour. It would have been quite nerve racking to do that just after getting the certificate, but if you find a good textbook and materials and get used to mostly one-to-one lessons, it can be great. I found most people who chose a freelance teacher wanted something a bit more casual and less structured than they would get in a school, so that's worth bearing in mind too.

I'm currently applying for teaching jobs in the UK, in the Cambridge area, is anyone local to me? Also hoping to do the AppLing/Tesol MA too.. <nervous wobble> Has anyone here done the MA and survived?

CarpeVinum Mon 29-Apr-13 00:04:41

Then in the 90s I co-authored a book which was associated with the Headway series. Still get small royalty cheques each year.

Headstart?

Luff that one. Lifesaver when you discover your false beginners are ...not so false.

YoniBottsBumgina Mon 29-Apr-13 11:26:40

I actually got a Pass B on the course! I'm really chuffed grin

I think I have more of an idea what to look out for now. DP has started looking for apartments smile It's all happening!

CarpeVinum Mon 29-Apr-13 12:08:13

Massive Congrats!

That's a fab result.

YoniBottsBumgina Mon 29-Apr-13 20:11:41

Thanks Carpe smile

MrsSalvoMontalbano Tue 07-May-13 09:52:09

interesting thread! am doing a 4 week CELTA course in June - eeek!

YoniBottsBumgina Thu 09-May-13 20:34:41

Ooh how exciting Salvo smile

I advise you to prepare for those four weeks like childbirth. Freeze meals in advance, preferably ship the DC off for a holiday with granny and expect to get no sleep - get some iron and vitamin C supplements. Breathing exercises might come in useful too come to think of it grin

MrsSalvoMontalbano Fri 10-May-13 09:14:44

YBB Thanks!! grin. In face, one of the reasons I thought about doing it in June is that the days and evenings are so long, pulling all-nighters won't seem so bad...grin

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