How much work should a TA take home?

(61 Posts)
beamme Sun 18-Nov-12 16:24:06

Out of interest what is reasonable? I'm all for a little bit of cutting out, but we have been asked to do children's learning journey's at home. Is this usual?

wakeupandsmellthecoffee Sun 18-Nov-12 17:09:43

You do nothing at home at all. How ridiculous.

SandStorm Sun 18-Nov-12 17:10:29

No - you shouldn't be doing anything at home as a TA.

FromEsme Sun 18-Nov-12 17:11:07

For the peanuts they get paid for a bloody difficult job, they shouldn't be taking anything home.

lisad123 Sun 18-Nov-12 17:11:22

Unless they are paying you overtime the answer is none

mycatoscar Sun 18-Nov-12 17:11:29

Our ta's take nothing home. I've worked from year r to year 6 and never known ta's to be willing/asked to take work home. Are you in nursery?

BodyOfEeyore Sun 18-Nov-12 17:11:38

Nothing. TAs aren't paid enough to take work home. Some do it out of dedication, but that's their call.

DorsetKnob Sun 18-Nov-12 17:11:55

You shouldn't take anything home as a TA.

I'm a TA and my teacher will literally walk me out the door if I'm there past a certain time - it depends what level you are - for example the TA3s in our school stay extra hours on different days to help the teachers out but their pay reflects that - I know of at least 2 TA3s who take their work home so they can finish on time to pick up their kids - I'd suggest a quick chat with the head to ask what your contract states to be honest

HumphreyCobbler Sun 18-Nov-12 17:15:37

Nothing at all.

SilveryMoon Sun 18-Nov-12 17:15:38

Nothing!
I don't even bring cutting out home. Although I am all for showing a bit of doing a little extra in extreme needs.
I'm at a school that pays quite high salary to TA's (came from previous HT battling with LA for it), and the current HT has now said she needs to justify it so we now have to do case studies on pupils in line with our own areas of development.
There's no time to do that during work hours so has to be done in free time.

BitchyHen Sun 18-Nov-12 17:23:21

I don't take anything home. I might have a look on the net for some resources to help my teachers in my own time but only if I choose to. My head has given me overtime if I have had a lot of work and not enough paid time to do it, but I wouldn't work unpaid at home.

exoticfruits Sun 18-Nov-12 17:29:16

Nothing! As a teacher I have thought of being a TA just because you work with the DCs, have proper breaks and walk out at the end of the day. The pay is low- you can get more on the checkout at a supermarket. Do not do anything at home! Say 'no' - unless you get overtime.

JambalayaWarmMincePie Sun 18-Nov-12 17:31:52

Nothing!!

When I first started, I did.

Very quickly realised there was no thanks, and no extra pay.

Don't do it.

VinoEsmeralda Sun 18-Nov-12 17:32:13

I'm a TA3 and was pleasantly surprised ( not) to find out my hourly pay has gone up by a whole £0.15 an hr!!

I had to chase this increase plus HT didn't want to backdate it from when I had qualified... Needless to say staff morale isn't great at our school.....

FromEsme Sun 18-Nov-12 17:33:25

Wow Vino you could buy an extra bar of chocolate a day on that!

bigTillyMint Sun 18-Nov-12 17:36:40

I wouldn't dream of asking a TA to do anything at home shock

Gooniechoons Sun 18-Nov-12 17:39:31

I wouldn't ask mine to take any home, or stay late to do stuff, if my Ta doesn't get it done, I stay late and do it.

TheNebulousBoojum Sun 18-Nov-12 17:41:57

Nothing at all. My TA does it all the time, despite pleading, She also prints and laminates and all sorts at home.
However her family income is about twice mine, so it is on moral rather than economic grounds that I worry.

mumto2andnomore Sun 18-Nov-12 17:42:04

I agree, nothing

LeeCoakley Sun 18-Nov-12 17:42:22

Silverymoon would you mind telling us your hourly pay? I would love to know if I am paid high/middle/low in the south east. And do any other TAs get a yearly increase? Even if it is 10p a week? We get no increases at all, no inflation increase, no professional increase. Ever. They take pay away though (London Weighting disappeared this year).

I take work home if it's something I want to do - get my files in order, update my resources, etc. I do the extra mile - work after hours etc but have stopped doing the extra mile and a half since our tea breaks were taken away last year. angry

Feenie Sun 18-Nov-12 17:44:30

Nothing! I don't even bring cutting out home.

I haven't taken cutting out home since I cut a perfect letter 'P' out of my favourite skirt in front on Eastenders many years ago. [grin}

I take lots of work home - I expect to, as a teacher. No way should any TA be taking stuff home; you are paid nowhere near enough.

Felicitywascold Sun 18-Nov-12 17:45:58

Nothing. At. All.

That is the about the only perk of being a TA!

SilveryMoon Sun 18-Nov-12 17:51:39

I have no idea what my hourly rate would be.
I'll try to work it out.

SilveryMoon Sun 18-Nov-12 17:56:59

I've PM'd you Lee

gorionine Sun 18-Nov-12 18:06:20

I do quite a few things at home, but because I want to. My teacher and line manager always say I shouldn't so I am very surprised your school is actually asking you to.

coldcupoftea Sun 18-Nov-12 18:31:51

I find I usually do about an hour on a sunday night- I have to plan for my own phonics sessions, and the IEP work I do with children. I am supposed to get 1 hr ppa a week but in reality this gets eaten up by photocopying etc for the teacher.

Other TAs at our school have told me they also take work home. I think if the school are actually expecting you to do it at home though you should either say no or ask to get paid!

beamme Sun 18-Nov-12 18:34:58

Thank you for all the replies. I don't mind taking the odd bits home or coming in early some days, but not paid extra for any of this.
My teacher has asked for me to complete my key worker group learning journey's within 2 weeks. I told her I didn't think I could reasonably do this as I have a young family and am also studying for a foundation degree in early years. Her response is that if I can't manage my time maybe I shouldn't be doing the foundation degree! I should add I don't do any of this work within school hours, it's all at uni or at home.
Yes mycatoscar I'm in nursery.

TheNebulousBoojum Sun 18-Nov-12 18:36:06

Who is your line manager?
That is unacceptable.

beamme Sun 18-Nov-12 18:39:47

We have a foundation stage leader TheNebulousBoojum so she would most likely be who I'd go to. Although she's very close to my teacher, so not sure how far I'd get.

Panzee Sun 18-Nov-12 18:44:10

How awful beamme. Maybe remind the teacher that you have set hours and none of them include working at home.

beamme Sun 18-Nov-12 18:49:20

Think that will be happening tomorrow Panzee, but not sure how far it will get me. The teacher constantly complains about the amount of work she has to do and how she unfairly gets paid less per hour then I do, because she puts in so many more hours then I do.

exoticfruits Sun 18-Nov-12 18:49:45

That is quite unacceptable, beamme. Have you got a contract? I would see the Head and clarify what you are supposed to do.

beamme Sun 18-Nov-12 18:52:23

I've been looking at my contract this weekend exoticfruits (this all happened on Friday after school) and it does not mention anything about taking work home or doing the Learning Journey's.

TreadOnTheCracks Sun 18-Nov-12 18:53:09

I don't take anything home, but sometimes do a tiny bit of planning or prep at home. Only if I want to.

My dh is a TA. He has never ever brought work home in five years. The only thing I have ever seen him do at home is distance learning training such as nvq papers. They finish their shift an hour after the teachers and that time is used for stiff like what you are having to do at home.

cornykatona Sun 18-Nov-12 18:54:23

Teachers have to work 1265 hours a year. The teaching day doesn't cover this - teacher's are required to do extra work to meet the 1265 hours. It's called directed time. Remind the teacher of this OP wink
Can you speak to the Head?

VioletStar Sun 18-Nov-12 18:54:28

beamme tell her as a teacher she works for a salary ie does the job for a set amount each month regardless of hours. (Oh and tell her to quit whingeing). You work for set number of hours and not a salary like her.

ps I am a teacher too - no way should TAs be working outside their set hours!

cornykatona Sun 18-Nov-12 18:55:32

<don't know why I put an apostrophe in teachers> hmm

Hassled Sun 18-Nov-12 18:56:47

Go into the office and get an additional hours claim form. Before you complete it, wave it in front of witch person and say "I'm just completing this for that extra work you asked me to do". She may well have a rethink.

exoticfruits Sun 18-Nov-12 18:58:45

VioletStar is quite right. Tell her that many teachers become TA (true) because they don't want to take work home.

Hulababy Sun 18-Nov-12 19:01:14

I am a TA - part time level 3, part time HLTA. I have planning and marking to do for PPA cover (all the ICT planning for the year group), for phonics teaching, for my early morning literacy support group and one or two other groups. I also do general class stuff.

I have less work to do in an evening/weekend than when I was a teacher, but still enough to keep me busy of an evening. I always have some work to do at a weekend.

I get PPA time of mine for the HLTA work - but it is no where near enough time to do everything I need to do.

exoticfruits Sun 18-Nov-12 19:01:24

And don't let her make you feel guilty- I don't know any teacher who would expect a TA to take work home. Sometimes they are grateful if they cut something out at home, sew a costume etc but they are fully aware that it is their good nature and not part of the job.

exoticfruits Sun 18-Nov-12 19:03:06

I would do supply work instead Hulababy- certainly not that amount for the pay. They are getting a teacher on the cheap.

Hulababy Sun 18-Nov-12 19:05:19

exoticfruits - yes, DH says the same. But I like being in one place and also prefer to have the two way relationship with the children I teacher, because of getting to know them, etc. I am also quite particular - once a teacher, always a teacher I think is part of it. This week I am hoping to finish finalising some additional resource time in order to have more time at school, in paid hours, to complete all the stuff that needs doing.

I am a TA and used to bring the odd bit of work home. But we recently had a new SENCO and she arranged for us all to have an hour's prep time in our timetable so now we use that grin

We are all SN / SEN / EAL TA's instead of class based and we are ususally working in one to one situations or with intervention groups which require planning and prep time so we were very pleased with the new timetables!

Sadly we hardly ever do cutting out now. I used to love a good bit of cutting out! Ancillary time has been cut right back and the few times the teachers require a display they do them themselves...

LeeCoakley Sun 18-Nov-12 19:10:37

Is your teacher aware that you are hourly paid op? At our school all the TAs are hourly paid but the Nursery Nurse is salaried and does more outside of 9 to 3 because it's part of her job description. I was just wondering if your teacher thought that you should be expected to do work at home because of your pay structure and doesn't realise you shouldn't have to.

Viviennemary Sun 18-Nov-12 19:12:18

I didn't think it was usual to ask a TA to take work home. I wonder who is doing the asking.

MrsJourns Sun 18-Nov-12 20:14:24

None!
I would never dream of expecting my TAs to do anything at home.

ihearsounds Sun 18-Nov-12 20:36:07

I have never taken anything home. I am paid for xx hours a week, and after that I either don't work or submit an extra hours sheet.
It has nothing to do with managing your time, but about hours paid for. Any extra work that cannot be done in the class line manager works it into the timetable.
Those who take home stuff to cut out, exactly what are you taking home to cut out and why?

Durab Sun 18-Nov-12 20:55:51

At the school where I work TAs do nothing over and above the their contracted hours unless they can claim overtime - honestly, if they stay 10 mins late to talk to a parent they will claim it, you really shouldn't be taking anything home.

Pozzled Sun 18-Nov-12 21:02:46

Some of the TAs at my school stay late occasionally, but it's always completely voluntary- like helping out with the Yr 6 performance or a special coffee morning. No teacher would dream of asking them to work in their own time.

GW297 Sun 18-Nov-12 21:31:21

NOTHING! Even if you are a TA in nursery with your own key group.

exoticfruits Sun 18-Nov-12 21:32:36

Show her the thread since she doesn't appear to realise!

Durab Sun 18-Nov-12 21:48:22

Beamme, I do the finances for our school - an average teacher here would need to work 18+ hours a day to be earning less per hour than you do, and they don't grin

zingally Tue 05-Feb-13 14:10:06

I'd never dream of asking my TA to take work home. I've been very lucky and sometimes have had TAs who offer to take home cutting out to do in front of the TV, but I've never asked them to, or thought any worse of TAs who don't offer.

madwomanintheattic Tue 05-Feb-13 14:14:28

Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing.

I am stunned.

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Tue 05-Feb-13 14:29:22

I know alot of staff who work in playgroups (qualified) - they get paid less than a TA and they take learning journeys home to update as they do not have the time to do it whilst at their setting. They get no extra for it - there is no extra money for it.

ninah Tue 05-Feb-13 15:59:51

I used to do all my Learning Journals and reports at home when I was a nursery TA. We got an hour's admin time a week which is not enough. I also contributed to the planning and wrote reports. But I wanted to teach so I was glad of the experience.

HellesBelles396 Fri 15-Feb-13 19:38:47

I'm an hlta and none of the teachers would dream of asking anyone in the sen department to take work home. as many have said, we're paid hourly. I have 3 free hours a week to do admin, meetings etc.

DizzyHoneyBee Tue 26-Feb-13 20:30:17

Nothing but I often do work during my lunch break; usually planning.

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