If I receive any more stuff on how to deliver an outstanding lesson I am going to scream

(145 Posts)
orangeandlemons Tue 18-Sep-12 19:14:38

...and scream!

I can only do so much in one lesson. I am so sick of OFSTED being rammed down our throats.

I used to enjoy my job sad

Themumsnot Tue 18-Sep-12 19:17:24

And worse, some SMT's perception of what they think Ofsted want is not in fact even close. But that will not stop them fetishing the three part lesson and the five page lesson plan.

DustyOwl Tue 18-Sep-12 19:19:17

It's got to the point where the word "outstanding" makes me shudder. It's not possible for all lessons to be outstanding or all schools, otherwise "outstanding" becomes "normal". Arghhhhhhh.

orangeandlemons Tue 18-Sep-12 19:24:49

Glad it's not just me then. I love my students, I love teaching. The 3 part rigid frame doesn't fit my subject or teaching style. I hate chunking or bitesize bits in lessons. I know they may fit younger kids, but I teach KS4 and 5. They need extended periods of concentration.

I would have hated chunking at school, it breaks up my concentration and sort of agitates me rather than engaging.

I wish they would just leave us alone

BrianButterfield Tue 18-Sep-12 19:31:35

Mini-plenaries. Shudder.

See, I like lessons that go:

1) I talk for a bit, ask a few questions, generate some discussion.
2) Class do some work (alone, in pairs or group work depending on task.)
3) Look at what they've done and give feedback (oral or written).

It's how lessons have been taught for hundreds of years and it seems to work OK!

LizzieVerekerGold Tue 18-Sep-12 19:34:18

I feel your pain oranges. By the time you've fitted in Starter, afl of prior learning, activation, main activity, mini plenary, consolidation, plenary (punctuated by afl, afl, literacy focus, afl, smcs or whatever it's called, bit more afl, open questioning, tiny bit more afl, numeracy) there's no time to actually absorb anything. Did I mention afl?

Or perhaps I just "require improvement". Grrrrr..

orangeandlemons Tue 18-Sep-12 19:41:12

Don't forget SEALS and PLTS too..............................as if.

Best lesson plan:

Starter: Shut up
Main bit
Plenary: Pack up

LizzieVerekerGold Tue 18-Sep-12 20:06:43

I like this lesson plan:

Starter: Listen to ME. No, don't interrupt my wisdom.
Main: Work on your own. Sssh. Don't speak to me. No, I don't care whether you underline it.
Plenary: What are you all having for tea? Now go away.

Feel free to use my plan. No, you're welcome.

clam Tue 18-Sep-12 20:24:23

Ooh, Lizzie. I'm going to use that tomorrow! grin

Craftymoo Tue 18-Sep-12 22:09:14

Don't forget your links to BLP, target vocabulary and differentiated success criteria... Oh, and how this relates to the targets for percentage of children achieving each sub-level by the end of term. Aaaarrrgh! It isn't even October yet.

diddlediddledumpling Wed 19-Sep-12 23:52:58

I've been teaching for 16 years and don't know what any of these acronyms mean grin

In which school diddle? Can I come work there if you've escaped the jargon?

diddlediddledumpling Wed 19-Sep-12 23:56:06

Sorry, I do know who SMT are. Although I avoid contact with them as much as I can.

diddlediddledumpling Wed 19-Sep-12 23:57:54

It's a girls' grammar in NI.

NellyJob Wed 19-Sep-12 23:58:16

sorry I am not a teacher but can I just ask....why do primary school teachers write 'success criteria' on the board, without explaining what 'criteria' means?

ravenAK Thu 20-Sep-12 00:06:31

In case SLGs slither past on a 'Learning Walk', NellyJob...

I think it should currently be a Learning Outcome though, which is a bit less obfuscatory, but then that was last week, so it might be an Achievement Identifier by now.

diddlediddledumpling Thu 20-Sep-12 00:06:36

I'm pretty sure not all primary teachers do that, nelly. I'd guess most probably explain what criteria means, but maybe kids find it hard to define when you ask them about it. they can still use it to guide their work.

NellyJob Thu 20-Sep-12 00:18:10

grin @ ravenAK
of course not all, I had one in mind diddlediddle

WofflingOn Thu 20-Sep-12 00:31:05

'sorry I am not a teacher but can I just ask....why do primary school teachers write 'success criteria' on the board, without explaining what 'criteria' means?'

Some might not, some have to have SC on their plans and walls but explain it in child friendly language, eg I will know I have succeeded when I have...
SC are one of the more recent features of planning and assessment.

WofflingOn Thu 20-Sep-12 00:33:06

'In case SLGs slither past'

Senior Learning Gits?
Senior Learning Gremlins?
Senior Learning Gods?

ravenAK Thu 20-Sep-12 00:47:38

SLuGs. Senior Leadership Group.

WofflingOn Thu 20-Sep-12 00:53:16


WofflingOn Thu 20-Sep-12 00:54:30

Senior Lurking Group.
In corners, behind doors, sneaking in whilst you are distracted...

janji Thu 20-Sep-12 01:19:07

I've gone from 18 yrs of good to outstanding lessons to precompetency in a matter of 3 months under a new (vile bullying head) and her observations against ofsted criteria. How can I be good / outstanding for 18 yrs and suddenly am now unsatisfactory (whilst having been a deputy, acting head and qualified npqh)?!!

WofflingOn Thu 20-Sep-12 01:27:43

Because it is a subjective judgement by one individual who probably has a prescribed set of judgements in her head. It is soul-destroying if you don't work out the key triggers for a boss and know which specific hoops that one person needs you to jump through. Like being in an abusive relationship and working out what will please the one in control to avoid being victimised.
Not your fault, the nature of the system.

We were given 'presents' of a book called How to teach the perfect Ofsted lesson on the last day of the summer term. Gee, thanks SLT!

EverythingsNotRosie Thu 20-Sep-12 18:30:26

WTF is activation? My lessons need no more parts. I like
1. Write something down
2. Listen to me
3. Discuss it in pairs
4. Work independently and silently
5. Show your work to someone else (not me!)
6. Go away!

HelenMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 20-Sep-12 18:34:24

Hello. Sorry to hijack a bit but we thought you might like to know that we've got a live webchat with Lord Adonis at lunchtime tomorrow - all about education and academies and the like.

We're aware that many of you will be busy teaching <rubbish timing, apols> but if you have any questions you'd like him to answer, you're most welcome to post them on the thread in advance.

woahwoah Thu 20-Sep-12 19:00:17

Oh, and while we're on the subject, I don't 'deliver lessons', I teach. Yes, I am feeling grumpy.

missmapp Thu 20-Sep-12 19:05:47

A member of the SMT walked into my numeracy lesson today as i was tidying up, she was carrying a clipboard- catching my eye she said- 'You are doing a plenary today arn't you Miss Mapp' 'of course', said I, and managed to pull one out of the bag that was apparantly 'well planned and provided excellent assessment! Weh hey- didnt get the tidying up done though!!

missmapp Thu 20-Sep-12 19:07:49

Oh, and apparantly we need a success criteria AND must, should, could- are they not the same thing!!! and how are the children meant to succeed when I spend the whole lesson telling them the steps to * success!!!

orangeandlemons Thu 20-Sep-12 19:11:52

Has it been proved that these things make any difference? I think kids get information ovrload tbh. I couldn't absorball the stuff they have to take in and the speed of it.

FelicitywasSarca Thu 20-Sep-12 20:46:31

Shhh orange, what is this proof? We don't research or prove.... This is education after all...

partystress Thu 20-Sep-12 21:05:36

Completely agree with WofflingOn. I am newish to teaching, but fortunately old enough and ugly enough to not feel personally buffeted by the barrage of un-evidenced, whim-based demands that get chucked at us almost daily. I can see that SMT just do to us what the government do to them, but it makes me angry beyond words that hard-working young teachers are stressed out trying to juggle the impossible and often contradictory demands placed on them, and even angrier when what we are asked to do (eg substantial amounts of writing EVERY day in Literacy books) flies in the face of all research into good practice.

icepole Thu 20-Sep-12 21:13:37

I hate all this crap, it ruins my subject. I teach drama, I want to do a warm up with them then get on with the practical work. Stopping to do learning intentions and success criteria eats up too much of the lesson, bloody hate it. If they are sleepy they need a lively warm up, if they are wired to the moon we do a focus exercise. One period is such a short time to do creative work as it is.

I hate working in a school though so maybe I am not the best person to ask.

orangeandlemons Thu 20-Sep-12 21:18:11

Icepole, I teach a creative subject too. 3 part lesson does not work for these subjects. First of all we have to get all the stuff out.

Then they have to do the stuff which is practical and therefore needs practice. This means they are doing, so if you have lots of chunking you don't get anything done (not in upper school anyway). The point is they are supposed to be doing independent stuff.

Then we have to clear up which takes ages. But they don't have to absorb lots of facts, they have to do stuff. Tis a joke

TheFallenMadonna Thu 20-Sep-12 21:19:30

We no longer do success criteria.

Not enough to do with progress apparently.

We have an SLT, rather than a SLG. They are not a team though. They have no respect for each other and are jockeying for position in anticipation of the Head retiring...

washngo Thu 20-Sep-12 21:20:24

Oh bloody ofsted, and all the arbitrary bizarre demands. And all the contradictions, and different demands from different people. And all the patronising, demoralising, demotivating shit that comes with it. I'm amazed that there is a single teacher at my school who hasn't walked out.

orangeandlemons Thu 20-Sep-12 21:22:08

But I like teaching....and I like the kids, they're great. And I get good results, but not always in rigid ofsted way.

I hate all this shit!

tethersend Thu 20-Sep-12 21:37:23

Last time I was observed by OFSTED, out of my class of 8 Y9s, only one turned up. I spent the entire lesson persuading him that it probably wasn't a good idea to go and kill Naveed in 9C, even if he might have implied that he had had sex with his mother.

I got a 'good' with outstanding features confused

ravenAK Thu 20-Sep-12 21:42:40

I think I had 9C.

I timed Naveed out after he claimed to have had sex with my mother.

TeamEdward Thu 20-Sep-12 21:50:06

I was observed by SLT this week - teaching a subject I have never taught before, in a class I have never taught before, to a year group I have never taught before (Yr6, when I am KS1 trained). I was classified as Unsatisfactory for lack of differentiation and challenge for more able.
I will admit to lack of differentiation, but think I was fairly justified in not knowing where to pitch the lesson, especially as their normal teacher told me "They are rubbish at all of it. Go back to basics." hmm

tethersend Thu 20-Sep-12 22:02:08

Knowing Naveed, he may well have had sex with all our mothers.

partystress Thu 20-Sep-12 22:55:35

Can I just, in a non-drunk, but still slightly I-bloody-love-you-I-do sort of a way, just add that this place is already, newly created as it is, soooo much more fun, honest and less sanctimonious than the god-awful TES forums. I feel we do a much naicer brand of cynical-but-supportive over here smile

FelicitywasSarca Thu 20-Sep-12 23:07:41

I had 9C on the day Naveed got back from his suspension for having sex with one of the SMTs mothers on school property. Couldn't get him to talk about anything except the new COD level he achieved on his day off.

rainbowinthesky Fri 21-Sep-12 07:07:01

What I find ludicrous is that the one hour lesson observation for performance management picks out something you forgot to do although might do it in every single other lesson and then that becomes your target for the next year. It's madness that the assumption is you can't do it because you didnt get to fit it in the one hour despite fitting in all the other stuff. It feels like a seal performing.

orangeandlemons Fri 21-Sep-12 09:17:15

I teach a practical subject. I have to factor in getting stuff out and clearing up.

This leaves about 1/2 an hour to cram the rest of the OFSTED shit in

handbagCrab Sat 22-Sep-12 08:45:00

I've never really known any different. I hear about the old days and it sounds so liberating.

We are all going to have ofsted style observations when teaching pshe soon and we are also going to be observed during registration. I have actually been observed by ofsted during registration. They don't give feedback. Pointless, pointless, pointless!

FelicitywasSarca Sat 22-Sep-12 09:05:58

Handbag, come over to the dark side independent if you want to experience teaching as it was in the good old days. There is still bullshit, but there's less bullshit.

Mini-Plenaries <shudders>

I hate how you have to show that every child has made significant and sustained and rapid progress in whatever random 20 mins someone comes in to your lesson. I teach secondary maths - one topic usually takes say three lessons - judge me on what they know before and after not on the random 20 mins within that. Aaaaaaarrrrrfggghhhhh. What I don't understand is why schools put up with it - Surely no-one who teaches thinks it is any good?!?

handbagCrab Sat 22-Sep-12 09:24:04

Ha felicity you're not the first person who has suggested that! It doesn't really fit in my philosophy of teaching though unless do you get independent schools that cater for low income families and are run by charities?

I can break learning down into 20 min chunks but it's superficial and gives no time to put the learning into practical application. I feel it's probably a way of deprofessionalising us by making it teaching-by-numbers and then anyone can do it!

Lougle Sat 22-Sep-12 09:41:26

DD2's (infant school) uses 'WALT' (What are we learning today?) and 'WILF' (What am I looking for?) which is useful, I think.

So the WALT for literacy was 'story writing' and the WILF was 'A beginning, middle and end. Punctuation and finger spaces.'

ravenAK Sat 22-Sep-12 09:52:59

Gosh yes, 'you must show progress'. Every lesson.

I'm being Performance Managed with my lower ability year 11s in a couple of weeks.

I'm prepping them: 'So at the start of the lesson, when Miss B is in watching us, & I ask if anyone knows what rule of 3 is, you'll all say...'

'No idea miss!'

'& at the end of the lesson, you'll say...?'

'Things that come in threes are inherently funnier, more satisfying, or more effective, miss, so we need to use it in our persuasive writing on the exam.'

Sorted. Progress shown.

Three part lessons are so 2011.
Now it's all about learning episodes, and you have to have lots and lots and LOTS. I suppose the three part lesson compressed into three lots of 20 minute chunks would be acceptable, or four three-part-sessions of 15 mins, perhaps. 5 minute starter, 5 min activity, 5 min mini-plenary.
Or maybe those learning episodes are just too long and unwieldy. How about 60-second bursts of activity, with a plenary every other minute? That must be what Ofsted really wants.

RavenAK - great plan!!!

SuffolkNWhat Sat 22-Sep-12 10:30:01

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LizzieVerekerGold Sat 22-Sep-12 10:31:30

"rapid and sustained progress" always gives me a mental image of shocked teenagers being catapulted through the air by some sort of giant sling shot.

Incidentally, I heard that Naveed of 9C has been circulating a topless pic of SMT's mother via BBM. SMT's mother is now refusing to leave her room/ has become the OAP version of a school refuser. (Coffee morning at John Lewis refuser?) But SMT won't exclude him as it happened out of school time. SMT's grandparents furious and going to the Daily Mail.

ProphetOfDoom Sat 22-Sep-12 11:51:20

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TeamEdward Sat 22-Sep-12 13:35:30

Oh, WALT and WILF are out by the way.
It's now Learning Objective, Success Criteria, and Learning Outcome.
No, I've not got a fucking clue either

SuffolkNWhat Sat 22-Sep-12 13:48:58

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Things We Achieved Today and Criteria Understood, Next Target didn't make it out into classrooms

'tis a shame that.

ravenAK Sat 22-Sep-12 14:41:34

We have to post full details of all homework set on the school website, including Learning Objectives & Learning Outcomes.

I think Objectives mean 'do this work' & Outcomes mean 'so that you will understand _'.

Takes me much of Sunday evening to do, I know that much...but at least it spares the kids the unreasonable expectation of writing down their homework in their planners, so it's all good. hmm

tethersend Sat 22-Sep-12 16:43:06

I hate learning objectives/outcomes.

It spoils the surprise.

Besides which, doorhandle lessons are always the best IME.

SuffolkNWhat Sat 22-Sep-12 16:44:16

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ravenAK Sat 22-Sep-12 16:46:44

Agreed. We now have Learning Journeys to spoil the surprises for an entire half term.

DoverBeach Sat 22-Sep-12 17:06:36

We have had an OFSTED inspection this term. They arrived with no notice and stayed for two days. Most teachers were seen, but only for 20 minutes! I am at a loss to know how a lesson can be judged as outstanding (or even judged at all) after 20 minutes.

orangeandlemons Sat 22-Sep-12 17:08:23

A door handle lesson? Would thatbe an off the cuff lesson?

Aren't they supposed to give48 hours notice?

TheFallenMadonna Sat 22-Sep-12 17:09:27

Nope. In fact they don't do inspections on Mondays apparently, because if they told you on Fruday, you'd have too long to prepare...

DoverBeach Sat 22-Sep-12 17:11:31

We were told on Tuesday lunchtime and they arrived on Wednesday morning.

EvilTwins Sat 22-Sep-12 17:11:37

Our Deputy Head (evil nasty woman- picks on teachers in turn. I had my turn at the end of last year- she told me that as HOD I had no right to assume I would be involved in interviewing a new member of staff for my dept and that there was no need for me to be involved. When I complained to my line manager, the Deputy told me that my "problem" is that I take things too personally) has decided that ALL lessons in our school have to follow this plan:
1. Tell kids what they are going to learn. Give them resources to be able to learn said stuff independently.
2. Kids, having worked independently in cooperative groups, report back to the rest of the class. Rest of class offer constructive criticism.
3. Kids return to groups and make necessary changes to their work.
4. Kids report back again. Everyone has learned loads.

Also, she insists that every child should make 4 levels of progress per key stage per subject.

She's leaving in January grin To be a headteacher.hmm

EvilTwins Sat 22-Sep-12 17:13:00

On a more useful note, I like The Lazy Teacher- his books are full of genuinely usable ideas.

orangeandlemons Sat 22-Sep-12 17:15:44

Ha, well that lets me off the hook for Mondays then!.

Only teach Mon/Tues/Wed.

Perhaps they will announce on a Wednesday dinner time theyare due grin

And don't forget....no going home at 3.30 now. That would be lazy and not worthy of a payrise.


EvilTwins Sat 22-Sep-12 17:17:18

orange - as long as you're doing stuff with kids after 3.30... <<wonders if supervising detention counts>>

DoverBeach Sat 22-Sep-12 17:19:36

4 levels of progress! So average level 4 students in Year 7 are supposed to achieve level 8 at the end of Year 9! All the more remarkable because you are not allowed to teach them anything.

orangeandlemons Sat 22-Sep-12 17:21:28

Where has she got the 2 levels of progress from?!!!!!!!

EvilTwins Sat 22-Sep-12 17:21:51

I know. It's ridiculous. She has said that kids coming in with 4s at KS2 need to be leaving us with A or A* at GCSE.

orangeandlemons Sat 22-Sep-12 17:22:59

Actually to take a step back and think.....

Where has all this shit come from? Why are Ofsted suddenly so powerful? Is this good for the students?

I don't understand anymore...

EvilTwins Sat 22-Sep-12 17:27:40

It's awful. Now OFSTED only has 3 categories as well, there will be a hell of a lot more work. We were in SM til last October so have been inspected and scrutinised to death. It's wearing. The amount of work that goes into moving unsatisfactory teaching to satisfactory (prob 3 or 4 teachers) is amazing. Now that satisfactory has gone, this will increase hugely.

Chigley1 Sat 22-Sep-12 17:34:02

The next person who asks me why I left mainstream teaching will be directed to this thread!

AViewfromtheFridge Sat 22-Sep-12 17:34:17

Naveed's always really good for me - I never have any problems with him.

Viviennemary Sat 22-Sep-12 17:41:11

It will be a great day when Ofsted is relegated to the dustbin of educational history.

EvilTwins Sat 22-Sep-12 17:41:15

The last school I taught in let Naveed have the week off when OFSTED came in. That was 2003 though. Don't suppose we'd get away with that now.sad

Themumsnot Sat 22-Sep-12 18:02:31

Naveed's always really good for me - I never have any problems with him.

Well that's cos you let him play games on his phone all the way through the lesson. (That's what he told me anyway.)

BonnyDay Sat 22-Sep-12 18:10:29

I thought plenaries were out. I do a bit if low level gambling for mine with the heads and tails game

orangeandlemons Sat 22-Sep-12 18:14:10

Yeah, and listen to music too

noblegiraffe Sat 22-Sep-12 18:33:37

My school has announced that from now on observations will be 20 minutes long. I can see why they're doing it, because that's what Ofsted do, but when Ofsted do it it's shit.

AViewfromtheFridge Sat 22-Sep-12 18:33:48

Well, he's a good boy really. He's just misunderstood.

noblegiraffe Sat 22-Sep-12 18:36:07

I heard Naveed is brilliant in Drama, perhaps you could incorporate some drama activities into your lessons to try to motivate him? Y'know, you're failing him really by not catering to his learning style.

AViewfromtheFridge Sat 22-Sep-12 18:39:04

I was observed this week by a trainee Ofsted inspector.

The big watchword is independence - you're supposed to let them try, get it wrong, then work out how to get it right, rather than trying to pre-empt potential hiccups yourself.

She also said my lesson content was dry, and I needed to be more enthusiastic about it. (In fairness, it was a bit. I just did a very basic bread-and-butter exam prep lesson. Naveed liked it though.) So, basically, camp it up a bit, dance around, give them no instructions and you've cracked it.

Absolute bolleaux.

TheFallenMadonna Sat 22-Sep-12 18:40:56

Our last department review had 20 minutes obs. We didn't know they would be 20 minutes. I wanted to barricade the door when the Deputy Head went to leave, so he would be able to see the progress they had made by the time they'd actually finished the sodding practical. They were just lighting the bunsen burners...

AViewfromtheFridge Sat 22-Sep-12 18:41:20

Oh, and (getting cross again now!) every pupil is supposed to make sustained and rapid progress every lesson. How, exactly??

orangeandlemons Sat 22-Sep-12 18:41:23

Oh yes, independent learning.

Aren't you meant to wander about the classroom going hmmm over their shoulders, but not actually doing anything? Because they are doing it all you seee

TheFallenMadonna Sat 22-Sep-12 18:42:20

Sustained for 20 minutes anyway...

Phineyj Sat 22-Sep-12 18:46:56

I'm doing a GTP on the job, after having changed career into teaching just over a year ago. I was wondering aloud to my DH (university lecturer, no learning objectives or observations for him, lucky s*d), how you can really personalise learning to the student/differentiate effectively, every lesson. He pointed out that my training organisation have made no attempt to differentiate or personalise anything they've taught me or asked me to do. It's like I stepped through a time portal straight from university to be a school teacher 15 years later...apparently there are no transferable skills from doing other jobs whatsover...!

orangeandlemons Sat 22-Sep-12 18:48:05

I wish I knew AViewfromhtefrideg.

I don't know how they can tell. 20 mins obs, 25 kids in class. How can they see if they all make outstanding progress? How? How?

All on task? No one asleep? No one bickering, or even speaking How?

A long time ago a colleague had a kid with a shaved head fall asleep in her lesson. She discovered all the other kids drawing on his head.

Ofsted really takes the fun out of everything sad

noblegiraffe Sat 22-Sep-12 18:50:57

A student teacher at my school tried to get the kids to 'independently discover' how to solve quadratic equations (presumably she'd been fed this line of bollocks in her PGCE). After a fortnight of no progress the kids got together a petition begging for a proper teacher who wouldn't damage their exam prospects.

orangeandlemons Sat 22-Sep-12 18:53:34

Noblegiraffe. That is so funny!

missmapp Sat 22-Sep-12 18:59:54

In our last OFSTED, I was told that I would have got outstanding if the children had ' idependently discovered' how to achieve the L.O, he then admitted that if that had happened, they would not have achieved at all and the behaviour would have been appalling - WTF!!!!!

Goldidi Sat 22-Sep-12 19:04:48

I'm sure 'independent learning' was the in thing when i was at school. We had those SMP maths booklets that you did by yourself then got the teacher to mark before you went on to the next one. It was incredibly dull and the teacher didn't ever have time to help when people didn't understand. I think in year 10 our school suddenly said 'oh, bugger!! None of these kids know ANY maths, we'd better start actually teaching them stuff!'

I get the kids to 'independently discover' some things but by the end of the lesson they ALL know what they are supposed to have 'discovered'. My friend was observed by Ofsted while her class were doing an A level past paper, she was graded as good because she knew exactly what their targets were and could talk about what she was doing to get them there. I'm not convinced that Ofsted really care about all the crap that Heads are telling us are all for Ofsted.

AViewfromtheFridge Sat 22-Sep-12 19:06:35

Haha. I think you're supposed to let them struggle for 20 minutes, not 2 weeks!

Basically, they're saying don't teach. Fine with me! "Here's To Kill a Mockingbird. Read it, analyse the characters and themes, then work out how to write an essay about them. See you on Results Day!"

TheFallenMadonna Sat 22-Sep-12 19:13:35

Now, we can do a reasonable amount by letting them discover things for themselves in practicals (not everything mind you, but a fair bit), but not if we give teh game away in our LO, and not in 20 minutes!

Knowsabitabouteducation Sat 22-Sep-12 19:56:40

I am not one for jumping through artificial hoops in my lessons.

I am quite relieved, however, that when the Head came into one of my lessons this week, that the first thing he did was to look at my board to see some LOs. He didn't notice that they were from a different lesson and didn't stay long enough to find out. As a historian, he was rather pleased that I was waxing lyrical about Sir Isaac Newton in my lesson (physics, d'oh). He left a happy man.

My main objective in KS3 lessons is to make Science fun. I have fun, even if the students are bewildered. The parents are convinced I spend my time blowing things up, and then I show them I still have all ten fingers. smile. I think this pays off in KS4 because the pupils enjoy the subject and so are happy to absorb all the facts they need for the exams.

orangeandlemons Sat 22-Sep-12 20:22:22

Yes, fun. That's what I like.

500 mini plenaries are not fun

Phineyj Sat 22-Sep-12 20:26:04

I agree with you so much, Knowsabitabouteducation! I saw a wonderful lecture about bulk solids handling, where the lecturer exploded some custard powder. The fact I can even remember what the lecture was about, years later, says it all really...

Sargesaweyes Sat 22-Sep-12 20:56:31

I worked at an outstanding school full of TASC, BLP, success bollocks and 20 minute observations. I was quickly told by colleagues the tricks involved in being 'outstanding'. It worked!

Now I work at a good school with a very warm lovely head who calls Gove a tosspot and show and tell a time for children to bring in any old crap. Needless to say I much prefer working for her grin

Knowsabitabouteducation Sat 22-Sep-12 21:18:45

I did my teacher training before the three part lesson plan and was on my very long maternity leave when it was mandated.

Mini-plenaries are what we do without thinking about it. Checking children's understanding as you go does not require a label. It is just what teachers do.

I am striving to go the extra mile to understand how I can teach 'Romeo and Juliet' in a series of looped independent learning episodes, where the focus is on learning not teaching. I just can't understand what it would look like in 'real life'.
Do we read 5 lines, then do a mini plenary, then read from line 2 to line 7, then mini plenary, then lines 4-9 etc etc?
Or I give them the full text, the DVD and some websites (multimedia approaches v good), and ask them to discover it themselves, and then feed back to the class, who ask questions and explore collaboratively, while I facilitate by confiscating their phones?
And how do I signpost the sustained and rapid learning they are doing to 'anyone who might be in the room'? Because all my learning episodes must now be for the benefit of the audience, real or imagined. hmm

tethersend Sat 22-Sep-12 22:40:43

Strive for adequacy, that's my motto.

Now there's a motto worth having. You'd probably get an occasional sense of success with that one.

noblegiraffe Sat 22-Sep-12 23:17:30

Don't forget, adequate is no longer adequate. Everyone must be above average.

ravenAK Sat 22-Sep-12 23:43:40

I have occasional delusions of adequacy.

Then there'll be a learning walk & Naveed will shoot the Deputy Head in the face with the wall stapler he's stolen from my desk, or something, but occasionally I manage adequacy.

FelicitywasSarca Sun 23-Sep-12 00:17:18

Doesn't matter if Naveed shoots the DH in the face as long as he has independently discovered the stapler and has learned to spell stapler (and shoot straight) within the last 20 minutes..

@ handbag most are run as charities and do offer some bursaries to low income families. There is no getting away from privilege, but the kids don't ask to be born into privilege and they aren't without their issues/individual characters. I have worked in both and the opportunities offered with independents have lured me - probably for good.

BonnyDay Sun 23-Sep-12 09:54:36

I've been teaching since 93. I am ofsted outstanding. I have no idea what a three part lesson even is.

It's obsolete, is what it is.

The lesson Ofsted last observed me in was graded outstanding too, but I wouldn't label myself as 'Ofsted outstanding'. It was a snapshot of one section of one lesson with one class. Maybe 'ofsted lucky' would be more appropriate!

SuffolkNWhat Sun 23-Sep-12 10:31:03

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TheMonster Sun 23-Sep-12 10:42:48

We had a training day recently. Now we have a 'lesson cycle'. In 50 minutes, as well as teaching whatever Engish I am doing, I also need to to teach them some maths and PSHCEE. I'm not even sure what all the letters stand for. Anyway, I must get off MN because I have several hours of marking to do before tomorrow.

EvilTwins Sun 23-Sep-12 10:49:46

OFSTED lucky is definitely the way it is!

We were inspected to within an inch of our lives when we were in SM. OFSTED, LA, IEB - you name it, they sat in our lessons and judged us. I had two by the same inspector. One outstanding, one inadequate. I still can't figure the second one out - something to do with having put the Level 4 assessment criteria on the board (differentiation - thought that was a good thing - mixed ability class with levels 3a-5a) and that not being aspirational enough, so it does seem to depend on how it is on the day. Luckily for me, the HT fought my corner over the assessment criteria thing - the inspector insisted that it was enough to deem the entire lesson inadequate. Grrrrrr.

noblegiraffe Sun 23-Sep-12 10:57:30

I had a maths lesson with a bottom set judged good. When I asked what I could have done to improve I was told I should have put more emphasis on spelling.

sassytheFIRST Sun 23-Sep-12 11:02:31

YY to Ofsted Lucky.

We are floating just above Special Measures (Notice to Improve last October, which we have, massively; waiting for the inspectors to descend again in the near-future and deem us however they feel on the day...wink)

Last time I was graded Outstanding. Lovely, bright, responsive Yr12. It was a good lesson, sure, but a great deal of the credit goes to the kids. This time I have the same group as Yr13, another Yr13 who are pretty good but a disengaged Yr12, bottom set Yr11, bottom set Yr10 and 2 middle band Yr 9 groups. I'll be satisfactory with good features at best if observed with anyone but the Yr13 groups. I've NEVER got less than good with outstanding features.<sigh>

LeeCoakley Sun 23-Sep-12 11:03:30

Apparently according to our BLP sessions, at the end of each session the teacher/TA has to ask what the children have learnt. (TIL - Today I learnt). This includes TA thrice-weekly 10 mins sessions on trying to drum in full stop/capital letter/spaces. So a 10 min session is now reduced to 7 mins because it takes 3 mins for the children to try and think of something they've learnt. grin

EvilTwins Sun 23-Sep-12 12:30:57

Sassy- no such thing as satisfactory any more.angry It's outstanding, good, or requires improvement. Oh joy.

sassytheFIRST Sun 23-Sep-12 12:32:27

Yes of course. Teaching - the only situation in life where being satisfactory is unsatisfactory...

EvilTwins Sun 23-Sep-12 12:35:42

And everyone has to be above average.confused

Born2bemild Sun 23-Sep-12 12:54:29

I had similar Noble. Very tricky bottom set Y9. I did a challenging lesson, not English. We did some extended writing, peer assessed it, I checked it for SPaG. We also did some numeracy, as well as my subject content. I got Good, because not enough Literacy work. In 20 mins. How much more could I have squeezed in? Girls and boys were stars though!

BonnyDay Sun 23-Sep-12 13:08:54

Yes i have plentyt of lessons that involve being crap obviously

* usual disclamiers *


oops - I'm really sorry if my response sounded snippy - it's just that if Ofsted said my lesson was inadequate, then I wouldn't label myself with that, just rationalise it as a one-off bad day type thing. So to me it makes sense not to do it with any of their judgements. If that makes any sense - it's more about self-preservation than criticising you!

BonnyDay Sun 23-Sep-12 14:16:37

I think I WOULD label self thus ;)

Like the ASBO badge of humour syndrome. ;)

BonnyDay Sun 23-Sep-12 14:16:50


BonnyDay Sun 23-Sep-12 14:17:21

"This is mrs day., she's largely inadequate ". smile

I'd actually carve it onto a large stick and beat myself with it... grin

DoverBeach Sun 23-Sep-12 17:57:51

I don't know if this is helpful, but it seems that a school can get an outstanding rating for teaching even if very few lessons are judged to be outstanding.

From the unofficial feedback we got from our Ofsted this month, the vast majority of teachers were told that the (20 min segment) of their lesson was good. A very few got outstanding and a very few got satisfactory. Because 90% of lessons were good or outstanding, teaching was judged to be outstanding.

SuffolkNWhat Sun 23-Sep-12 17:58:08

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SuffolkNWhat Sun 23-Sep-12 17:59:00

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planning for after Christmas? Good grief. shock

SuffolkNWhat Sun 23-Sep-12 18:07:38

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TeamEdward Sun 23-Sep-12 22:22:38

I am labelled "Inadequate" and, to be honest, I couldn't give a shiny shit.

sassytheFIRST Mon 24-Sep-12 20:13:43

Another inset today: ergo another video of a good lesson complete with feedback as to why. I am losing the will to live. All our training these days is "how to impress ofsted"; none seems to be info on how to improve the learning of the pupils. Grr.

ImperialBlether Tue 06-Nov-12 20:08:34

Oooh just discovered this thread!

We've just been Ofsteded a week after being done (sorry, no other word for it) by an Ofsted inspector who works on the side, charging a small fortune for her advice. Prior to that we had an expert who told us how to do our lesson plans. We followed her advice, the mock Ofstedder said she was wrong. She gave me a grade 2 - said it was a good grade 2. I asked how I could improve and she shrugged. I waited but it was clear that was the only available response. I wondered at that point how much she was being paid.

She then remembered something I'd done - I'd got the students to work out a formula as a group. It worked well; my lot struggle with Maths and don't tend to see patterns in formulae; this helped them to do so. She asked why I hadn't just given it to them on a handout. Hmm good advice, that.

Mind you I work in a place where there's a notice on the wall:

Late is unacceptable
On time is late
Early is on time

No wonder the bloody world's in the state it is, what with that and 'satisfactory' meaning 'unsatisfactory' and 'good' meaning 'not good enough.'

knitknack Wed 07-Nov-12 20:19:10

It's less than something like 4 hours notice now, but they have to phone by 2pm to be in the next day. So if the school hasn't had a phone call by 2pm on Weds after that's another week in the clear!

What i don't understand is that if every child is making rapid and sustained progress in EVERY lesson, then presumably they've passed their GCSE in each subject by the end of year 8, have completed A level by year 10 and then they've STILL got to sit around presumably disproving gravity or something until they're 18. < scratches head>

And don't forget, there IS no 'satisfactory' any more - just 'notice to improve' (with all the joy that brings)....

knitknack Wed 07-Nov-12 20:20:59

I once asked an ofsted inspector how I could move my lesson from 'good with outstanding features' to 'outstanding' and she told me she didn't know!! Can you imagine if I told Naveed I didn't know how he could move from level 4a to 5c in front of an inspector?!

reindeerjumper Wed 07-Nov-12 20:23:42

Because I'm sure Lord Adonis will have some searing insights hmm

Viviennemary Wed 07-Nov-12 20:30:09

It will be a great day when Ofsted are finally consigned to the dustbin of educational history. They cause such a lot of misery and stress.

cardibach Fri 09-Nov-12 23:30:52

In my school Naveed spends most of his time kayaking. I quite like him, but he isn't making much progress as he misses half his lessons. I'm still responsible for getting him to his unrealistic target.

BrigitBigKnickers Fri 16-Nov-12 16:09:35

Ramming AFL down our throats is my bug bear. I work in an area of special needs (in a Unit attached to a mainstream junior school) where AFL just isn't useful!

But of course my DT (who knows diddly squat about the needs of the children I teach) still puts it on all my lesson observation feedback forms... angry

Oh and now we are told that all children (including those on a statement) are to make better than expected progress (i.e the same as NT) I have the highest expectations for my pupils and some of them do achieve the same as their peers but some of them have very very special needs- how the f*ck are they supposed to make more than 2/3 of a level each year? Can someone tell me how to do that please?

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