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Should I say something to DS teacher?

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phlebasconsidered · 03/09/2015 19:38

DS came back home from his first day in year 4 in tears because he has been put back onto white books after being at Lime A at the end of last year. His class teacher and I held back moving him up in July because he lacks confidence and wasn't likely to read as much over the Summer ( although in the end, he did, lots of David Walliams). I confidently assess his level as 3a "old style", verging on 4C, and his old teacher gave him that on his end of year report, along with 3 for everything else.

However, white is "old level" 3c / 2a. I asked him if he read to the teacher and he said "yes, for a few minutes". Apparently he did protest but was told he was White. She is an NQT and he is a child who already lacks confidence. His old teacher knew this and would garner his levels from guided reading, inference in class etc, not just from a quick "read to me". He reads beautifully at home and to people he knows but just dries up otherwise. His class notes should have made this clear as his last teacher was hugely conscientious.

I always allow for a little slippage over Summer in my own class but I would NEVER put a child back this much in reading or anything without first telling the parents. I have one day a week off on Monday and I am tempted to ask to see her. What do you think?

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TheTroubleWithAngels · 03/09/2015 19:50

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phlebasconsidered · 03/09/2015 19:55

Really? I won't even be giving reading books out until I've had a session properly assessing them and a guided reading session, then checking them off against the levels I was given for them, allowing for the "new" level adjustment. I wouldn't even consider bunging out a book at a much lower level to a year group old enough to understand the implications. It's slapdash.

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noblegiraffe · 03/09/2015 20:01

You sound like a bit of a nightmare parent, tbh. If I were an NQT, it would really shake my confidence to have a parent come in and tell me that I'm doing it all wrong on the first day.

Give them a few weeks to settle into their job and get to know their class at least. Tell your DS that the easy books are to get him back into the swing of things after the summer. Then ask for him to be reassessed if necessary.

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Nishky · 03/09/2015 20:02

I would let him read that book really quickly and then encourage him to read a book from home, then write in the book what he has read and whether he enjoyed either book.

You are not seriously going to confront a NQT on the third day of school, really?

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Nishky · 03/09/2015 20:03

Sorry, meant write in reading record, not in the school book.That would be wrong.

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redskybynight · 03/09/2015 20:06

Lime to white is a difference of 1 level though? so hardly "much lower". And children often dip over the summer. Did DS only read David Walliams- if so that's quite a narrow repertoire? Definitely give it 2 or 3 weeks to let him settle back in and his teacher have more time to assess him.

Can I also suggest that if your child is genuinely in tears because of being moved back a reading level, that you are potentially putting way too much pressure on him ...

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catfordbetty · 03/09/2015 20:11

A note to the teacher saying that he's finding 'white' books too easy?

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mugglingalong · 03/09/2015 20:18

We had given up completely with book bands by that age. Why not read what he wants at home and let the school get on with whatever they want at school?

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phlebasconsidered · 03/09/2015 20:20

I'm not a nightmare. I don't push. In fact I have been happy for him to flatline this year as he was moved at the start of the year due to extensive physical bullying which left him very nervous.He had started to school refuse and the new school have been great building his confidence. His old school, which was an academy furiously bent on levels, ruined his confidence at the same time as ignoring bullying.

If I have a student in my class with worry issues then I generally like to be aware of it. I would take care to ensure confidence at first.That is all.

I am not intending to confront anyone.I am just concerned that his anxiety and confidence issues, which are fully supported at home by us downplaying academic excellence and playing up effort, be supported from the get go, lest it worsen. I probably shouldn't have mentioned anything on here, I'll just get moaned at!

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noblegiraffe · 03/09/2015 20:23

Ok, so your OP should have said 'my DS has anxiety issues and has been upset by his book allocation, should I mention this to the teacher?'

Not 'the NQT has done an inadequate assessment that I would never have done, should I put her straight' as it came across.

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TheTroubleWithAngels · 03/09/2015 20:25

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phlebasconsidered · 03/09/2015 20:38

Redsky, no he read a lot of technical motorbike books, Tom Gates, Shouty kid, those horror ones with that skeleton chap in, and Dahl, along with the ubiquitous minecraft books. I'm probably worrying over much, it just took a year to get him happy and I was hoping he would feel great about going back, is all.

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PenelopePitstops · 03/09/2015 20:48

Again noble nails it. I feel a bit like your stalker! Blush

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Minispringroll · 03/09/2015 20:52

I'm surprised that she'd "assess" him on the first day and move him down for that, but then...our secondary school put them all through CATs on their transition day and pretend that's accurate. Meh. Hmm
Give it time. She might just have been a little "overenthusiatic" with it, trying to make sure children are reading appropriate books. If it looks like your DS is still finding this difficult to deal with in a week or two, talk to the teacher and let her know. In the meantime, perhaps you could work with your son on understanding that he doesn't really need to worry about which colour he is on. (Seriously, is this a British thing?? I don't have any friends in my home country, who worry about this kind of stuff when it comes to their kids.)

I've gone through my class' book band colours once so far...in eight years of teaching UKS2, mostly to come to the conclusion that they didn't match my own assessment anyway. I had never previously been given book band colour information from another teacher. I couldn't care less what colour they are on and neither do my pupils after about a week. We happily ignore book bands in my classroom. (Much to my dismay, they seem very keen on them in my new school,...someone else is doing all the assessing, though. I still don't care.)

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phlebasconsidered · 03/09/2015 20:53

Bowing out now and asking for this thread to be deleted. Mumsnet is really not a very nice place anymore. I wasn't demanding he move up, angels. I was concerned about how he had been dealt with. That's different and you know it.

Anyway, I have put my kids to bed and will now lesson plan. If I ever feel the need to be sneered at or accused of being pushy again, I know where to come. God forbid I should have a worry or a concern and be actually sensibly advised rather than snipped at and cut down,because of course it's my fault, not the school. Over fifteen years as a teacher, and yes, sometimes we can do things in an insensitive way. Sometimes notes get lost, things are not passed on or things ignored. I was not intending t demand the teachers head, ffs. Happy first day back, eh?

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phlebasconsidered · 03/09/2015 21:00

Although thank you Mini, I agree with you and wish my own lea were not so married to them. No AR until yr 5!

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PenelopePitstops · 03/09/2015 21:43

I'm struggling with why you are so upset?

You were initially being quite unreasonable and blaming the teacher, being a teacher you should know that they don't get everything right always.

You then explained a bit more and people were a lot more understanding. You have done a lot epic drip feed regarding your ds, and got OTT upset about a reading book.

Does the teacher know about the worry issues?

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balletgirlmum · 03/09/2015 21:49

I would be livid actuslly of either of my children were treated like that.

I am the most unpushy of parents out it a child being upset at having moved down a level is not going to give them the confidence they need to achieve to their potential for the rest of the school year.

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TheTroubleWithAngels · 03/09/2015 21:51

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balletgirlmum · 03/09/2015 21:59

Whatever.

Children feel things. They know what it means. Other children can be cruel about it too.

Oh to live in your ideal world where children are little robots with no feelings.

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noblegiraffe · 03/09/2015 22:09

Children can be unreasonably upset by stuff. It's fine to mention to a teacher that your child is sensitive and needs special handling about particular issues.

What's not fine is banging on about reading levels and how they are assessed and pulling teacher rank on an NQT on their first week in the job.

The OP looked like she was planning the second option. Good to hear that she isn't.

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Biscuitsneeded · 03/09/2015 22:15

If he's been assessed wrongly I'm sure it will be put right within a couple of weeks when the teacher has a chance to get to know the children a bit better. I really wouldn't sweat it. Why don't you say to DS that it's very common to start a new year with a nice easy book in case you didn't get very much reading done over the summer, keep supporting his reading at home and I'm sure it will all right itself. I had no idea some schools still did book bands at this stage - it seems a bit arbitrary and divisive by Year 4!

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lougle · 03/09/2015 22:28

Confused DD2 came home and said 'I'm in red group (bottom) for maths, yellow group (2nd) for English, not sure about topic yet.

She had been moved up to blue group for maths last year, so I noted that she's moved back down.

My response? "Oh I don't mind which group you're in as long as you're working hard."

DD2: "OK, I'll let you know what topic group I'm in."

Righto....

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