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Sad that I am going to resign.

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Fragglewump · 27/04/2015 19:00

I found out today that I am being moved from my ks2 class in sept to eyfs. That in itself is not bad but I have worked in that year group at that school before and had to make a formal complaint as the Ta there is abusive, vile and rude. I felt so much happier when I moved to ks2 and had a great team of support staff and a willing competent and polite Ta! Now I have to move or resign and I feel gutted, totally gutted. That is all.

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MagentaOeuflon · 27/04/2015 19:04

Sorry, it sounds awful. But isn't it possible to tell management what you're worried about? If people are abusive at work they need to be dealt with. And/or is there any chance the TA might also move or leave at some point? If you are happy in your job, I wouldn't go down with out a fight / exhausting all the possibilities first.

guilianna · 27/04/2015 19:11

Oh no, I had one of those in EYFS too! nightmare, and totally entrenched, no one would tackle.
I'd chat to HT, find out for sure what TA arrangements will be, and explain your position. Sympathies!
Btw mine improved over the years and is now mostly civil. I decided to plough on with rhino skin and she respects me, even if she doesn't like me and still huffs around when asked to do something she doesn't particularly fancy.

Fragglewump · 27/04/2015 19:12

They know but the Ta has been there for almost 30 years and no-one has ever dealt with her so they would find it really tricky to do it now. They told me they would performance manage her to prevent the most awful stuff but i know that it will be a toxic environment and that it will be exhausting trying to cajole her into being pleasant/ effective rather than difficult and controlling. During the 1st week in that class I asked her politely to pass me something and she said no. That is the more pleasant side.

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Fragglewump · 27/04/2015 19:15

She will definitely be there! She has been there for 3 decades and she refuses to move saying eyfs is in her contract. Some other people work with her without being offended. Weird as I'm not really a particularly sensitive soul but she really takes the biscuit. The ht once called it a 'personality clash' - that made me a little surprised!

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Fragglewump · 27/04/2015 19:16

Sorry I think I feel like they want to get rid of me and I thought I was a good teacher who was well liked and respected. Now I'm having a massive crisis of confidence and thinking about doing something different.

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guilianna · 27/04/2015 19:16

omg fraggle does she have a twin sister?!
Don't ask her, tell her. Drop the polite. Horrible but I found trying to be considerate went nowhere. And like yours, management were spineless. She complained/cried about me a couple of times. Retirement?

guilianna · 27/04/2015 19:19

x-posted. How did she get on this year, then?
Ime TA worked well with supply and softer characters that could be dominated. I needed things done a certain way and it was v difficult!

ICantFindAFreeNickName · 27/04/2015 19:19

It's a shame and not fair, but at least they have told you early enough that you can look for another job. How long have you been there and what will your head say when you tell him you are looking for another job.

mrsmeerkat · 27/04/2015 19:20

Omg.. Can you ask not to be moved there. I know the type. Dreadful!

Fragglewump · 27/04/2015 19:24

Guilianna I think they may have been separated at birth! She loves to dominate and tell people what to do and how to do it! She often told me when things wouldn't work (helpful) if I had an idea to try something new. I told the head straight away that I would be resigning and could not tolerate that environment again. And the ht said that it 'was a shame'. I think it would have been much less of a shock if they had asked my opinion or discussed it in any way rather than presenting it as a fate accompli while I was eating my lunch! I am trying to be philosophical and 'you win some you lose some' but my pride and feelings are hurt.

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MrsUltracrepidarian · 27/04/2015 19:32

Gosh this is interesting! Exactly the same thing happened to a friend of mine last year - wonder if it is the same school...
SLT clearly wanted her out as, although she was outstanding, after a number of years, she was also more expensive than an NQT...
She has now left - pursuing a different career after 12 happy years in primary teaching Sad

Fragglewump · 27/04/2015 19:37

Sadly although I'm an old fart I am neither expensive or outstanding! I've only just finished my nqt so I am very cheap and normally very chuffing cheerful!

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newbieman1978 · 27/04/2015 19:52

Ok so you can take this one of two ways.
Either the head feels you are better in eyfs and are capable of managing this TA. Which is positive in many ways even though it makes your life harder.
Or the head favours for whatever reason other members of staff and has dumped you with Mrs no one wants to work with. This could be seen as the head not being arsed about you at best and wanting you out at worst.

I guess you will know deep down which scenario fits.

guilianna · 27/04/2015 20:03

Fraggle get out of there! if they are that apathetic you know you won't be able to rely on any backing. It's either find something better or sit it out until she retires, right?
Don't take it as a reflection on you though. My 'twin' has seen off a whole series of teachers inc previous DH, who she drove to a nervous breakdown (how I got the job ...). It has suited me as I love EYFS, have a good rapport with the class and have managed to drag it up to a 'Good' Ofsted but I can't get better than that as things stand, so I'm job hunting too. Funnily enough I feel loads better simply for having decided that.
Btw your HT sounds like a shit.

guilianna · 27/04/2015 20:04

spineless shit

DinkyDye · 27/04/2015 20:13

That is terrible. I hate hate hate that attitude in any work environment! We had an absolute vile woman in my office and they could only get rid of her when the VP left as he kept protecting her.

CamelHump · 27/04/2015 20:34

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BackforGood · 27/04/2015 20:40

If she's been there 30 years, then the EYFS definitely isn't in her contract then.
You need to have a full and frank discussion with the HT about this. That is not acceptable behaviour and they have a duty to deal with it. It's not pleasant for them, but it's what they have to do.
If you like your job and the school otherwise, don't resign over this - challenge it, please, or it just goes on and on and on and the problem is still there for the next teacher.

guilianna · 27/04/2015 20:46

Back - sometimes they just won't. I had two of these when I started 'twin' and her bestie. I went to HT and asked her to back me up as the teacher. Ended up in a meeting with HT where they aired sackful of petty grievances and HT said 'TA's are just as important as teachers.' 'The team' loved it and after that wouldn't even pretend to follow planning etc.
You wouldn't believe it if you hadn't been there. I'm another 'late bloomer' like fraggle - used to be in business - if companies operated the way some schools do they'd be bust!
I know for a fact my predecessor challenged the behaviour, too.

guilianna · 27/04/2015 20:48

mine used to play up big time when parents were in. It was like dealing with a big toddler. I felt like putting her onto 30-50 next steps ..

Fragglewump · 27/04/2015 21:09

She told parents on a home visit (when the eyfs teacher was out of the room) "you know I'm a teacher too right?"

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ImperialBlether · 27/04/2015 21:15

Well, if you leave make sure everyone knows why. Head teacher, governors, the lot.

I really hate it when lazy managers call it a personality clash, when it's one intransigent person causing nothing but trouble.

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Fragglewump · 27/04/2015 21:24

Don't worry it's not a secret! I won't protect abusive, bullying people who work with children even if others do!

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guilianna · 27/04/2015 22:53

Good luck. Fancy job club with me? So far I've applied for: one R job at OS school (not a snowball's) and looking round a N next week. I've been overly fussy to date, must cast net wider. Want to stay in EY though, bit scared of rest of school!
And IB's got a point - obvs your HT knows but I wonder if governors do?

ImperialBlether · 27/04/2015 22:57

The thing is that in 30 years there must have been a few complaints against her. I wouldn't go unless I was pushed in that situation.

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