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UPS3 and age 45

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xyx · 07/03/2015 19:28

I would love to move schools, have a change from the classroom after 20+ years, maybe go into management/SENCO? I can't do this for 23 more years! But I'm not young as so many school leaders are now, plus I'm expensive! Am I stuck? I've taught all primary, state and independent, coordinator posts, head of year, but nothing more ambitious than that. Also part time for years when dc's were younger. Where are all the teachers of my age?! Any advice? I know I should be really positive about my experience and 'sell myself' on an application form, but I don't feel confident. Really silly, as I know I do a good job for the kids.

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toomuchicecream · 08/03/2015 07:35

I'm your age - a year older actually! I know a fair few teachers our sort of age too - most of whom either worked part time when their children were younger, or trained when they were older (I've been teaching 10 years).

I'm starting work after Easter as Assistant Head - the new Deputy of the school is a couple of years older than me. So there definitely are leadership jobs out there for people our age. In fact, depending on where you are in the country, you may well find schools falling over themselves to appoint you. Round here, there are so many positions available you could take your pick! Having said that, I don't know how much UPS3 earns as I've been stuck on M6 due to changing schools at the wrong time (Leadership scale now though Smile) so I don't know if you'd have to go sideways for a year or too before getting onto the Leadership scale and starting to go up again.

What training have you done recently? Could you do NPQML/NPQSL? Or some specialist SEN courses (NASEN has free stuff on line I think)? Would you consider being an AST? Or how abut a subject specific course like MaST for Maths? What impact are you currently having at a whole school level? What could you take on now that you could talk about at interview?

I don't think it's unusual at all for women to tread water for a while in their careers while their children are small, then be ready to move on up once the children are older. But I think you need to decide the area you would like to go in (ie SEN/subject specialist-adviser/Deputy Head) and then work out the experience you need to get now to get you there. With all that experience in your past, I think you just need to show some current whole school impact in your chosen area and you'll be there!

Is there someone you can talk things over with in RL? About 3 years ago I was unsuccessful in an application for DH. Helpfully, the Vice Chair of Governors had a daughter who had been friend with my son at pre-school. I had a very, very useful de-brief with her a few weeks after where she told me what the successful candidate had that I didn't. I used that conversation to work out the gaps in my experience I needed to fill and have spent the last 3 years doing it. Good luck - teaching needs people like us with plenty of experience!

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sj73 · 08/03/2015 12:23

I'm in exactly the same position and will be watching this thread!

Icecream: your post very informative and encouraging. Thanks for that!

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KinkyDorito · 08/03/2015 12:40

I'm watching this thread as I'm about to turn 36 with UPS3 and a TLR 2, yet I already feel like I will be overlooked due to my age.

I'm still having a rocky time with attendance due to unwell DCs, but in a couple of years time this should settle and I want to be SLT. I'm doing NPQML and do a lot at work, but still not convinced I will be chosen for promotion because of dependent's absence, which is incredibly frustrating.

Maybe I do this course and just start applying - they can only say no!

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KinkyDorito · 08/03/2015 12:40

I used that conversation to work out the gaps in my experience I needed to fill and have spent the last 3 years doing it. This kind of coaching is incredibly helpful.

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xyx · 08/03/2015 18:20

Very helpful, thank you. Good luck in your new post, ice cream and hope it all works out for you and your dc's Doritos.

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TheFallenMadonna · 08/03/2015 23:15

I became an Assistant Head at 42 (am now 44). I took 5 years out of teaching when my children were young, went back at the bottom of the pile (had a middle leadership post when I went "on sabbatical") and worked back up AHT via HoD in 5 years. Leadership roles are about more than what happens in your classroom, and in fact my strength is getting systems in place. I think the key to success to seeing where your "in" is. I got my senior leadership role by showing how the systems that worked for my department could work across a school. I have seen people who excelled in a particular area take on another role in order to get an SLT position, and come a cropper a bit. I wouldn't take on a pastoral responsibility. It's not my strength, and at the moment I'm not sure whether it's one I want to develop. Which is why I may have reached my ceiling...

I think it is probably easier in secondary, as there are more niches?

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xyx · 16/03/2015 22:14

Now got a couple of interviews coming up. I know this is off-topic now but feeling riled. Head has given me time for them but says I should put my notice in writing so the school can advertise for my replacement. My contracts states a term's notice! The plan was to stay if a job hadn't materialised by the end of term, which I thought I'd made clear...still, feeling up for the tasks ahead, hoping I'll get a bit of luck too. There's an article coming up in next week's TES about moving jobs after 50. Should be interesting.

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DontGotoRoehampton · 17/03/2015 17:18

Watching with interest as I am an NQT aged 54 Grin

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padkin · 17/03/2015 21:38

Congratulations on the interviews!

Are the jobs for September start? I assume so, so you don't need to resign until summer half term. Do not hand in your notice until you have a definite job offer. Just because you're going for interviews certainly doesn't mean you have to resign now, and definitely not before you've secured a new position.

On a positive note, perhaps the Head is assuming you'll be successful, which is good to know, but if the worst happened and you didn't get appointed in either then you are perfectly entitled to stay where you are. If you do get appointed them it will help your Head if you resign straight away as then they can advertise your post in good time, but do not be pressurised to resign before that.

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KinkyDorito · 21/03/2015 11:55

Definitely don't resign until you have a job! Good luck with interviews. Easter is the rule of thumb for resigning in order to start in September - I think the absolute last date is end of April.

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toomuchicecream · 21/03/2015 13:28

No - for classroom teachers it's resign by 31 May. Leadership contracts may well be different.

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KinkyDorito · 21/03/2015 20:38

Of course it is! I'm having a senior moment Grin.

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xyx · 24/03/2015 15:48

1 job offer but not keen, lots of reasons tbh, ultimately it's just not the best fit for me. A job through an agency has come up though and I'm really interested. It would mean giving notice; in my post I must give a term. The interview won't be til May. So its a massive gamble. Not only is teaching hard, the job hunting is a nightmare!!!

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