Parents confused by inset days.

(46 Posts)
rollonthesummer Tue 15-Apr-14 18:12:46

Really?!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-27036066

rollonthesummer Tue 15-Apr-14 18:13:29
Panzee Tue 15-Apr-14 18:16:06

Wouldn't bother me. Maybe they'd see how much time we wasted on self review.

poshme Tue 15-Apr-14 18:16:40

I don't think the netmums person helps there.
INSET DAYS WERE TAKEN OFF TEACHERS HOLIDAYS. THEY ARE NOT TAKEN OFF KIDS' LEARNING DAYS.

I just want to type that on every single Internet discussion everywhere until people get it.
(Not saying this thread needed it but anyway)

Goblinchild Tue 15-Apr-14 18:16:45

Easy enough, put the brief and any powerpoints on the school VLE.
Of course parents are confused, they think teaching is a piece of piss and don't see the need for the inconvenience of INSET. Look at the regular threads on it here.

chibi Tue 15-Apr-14 18:18:47

oh indeed goblinchild. i was amused to discover on one thread today that i work only 19 hours a week ('according to the nut' as that poster claimed smile)

LynetteScavo Tue 15-Apr-14 18:19:18

I think parents think training days should take place during school holidays, rather than being tagged on to one end of a half term.

I know of one (very vocal) dad at my DCs school who is convinced teachers go shopping on training days. hmm

So, yes parents obviously are confused by training days.

As a parent, I would be interested to know what training teachers are having, but I am so nosey I also want to know what training they are having if my DC have a supply teacher grin

Goblinchild Tue 15-Apr-14 18:20:11

Don't take MrsB to heart, she seems to despise teachers and her children aren't even in school yet. I'm looking forward to some cracking threads in a few years.

Littlefish Tue 15-Apr-14 22:07:23

Lynette - training days already take place in the holidays. The 5 days were taken off the teachers' holidays and re- allocated as working days. The number of days the children have off has not changed.

rollonthesummer Wed 16-Apr-14 10:51:48

I think parents think training days should take place during school holidays, rather than being tagged on to one end of a half term.

I hope that's sarcastic?!

acsec Wed 16-Apr-14 10:57:27

Our most recent training day was about Internet safety and how to ensure children understand the risks involved in leading a virtual online existence; that was in the morning. The afternoon session was how to teach children to write coding for computer programming. Believe me, I would have far rather been shopping, as the morning session was quite harrowing and the afternoon was baffling!

rollonthesummer Wed 16-Apr-14 13:02:10

Most of our INSETs are spent updating us all on changes the government have made to the curriculum with no discernible benefit to the children.

LynetteScavo Wed 16-Apr-14 21:53:47

Littlefish & rollon - I know that, but I was saying it as parents see things. I didn't phrase it very well.

RuddyDuck Sun 20-Apr-14 17:29:57

Lynette at my dcs school the teachers do go shopping on at least one of the inset days. The school always has an inset day in early December, not tacked onto the holiday or anything. When my ds was in year 7 I took that day off work and took him to the local town centre to do his Christmas shopping. We bumped into several of his teachers, and ended up in a queue in one shop behind his form teacher who told me that the teachers "had" to use the inset day for Christmas shopping because they didn't break up until the 19th December which would be "too late to do the shopping".

As someone who has to do Christmas shopping at weekends because I finish work every year at 5pm on Christmas Eve, I was shock

We then drove home past the school, at about 2pm, which had 3 cars in the car park.

sassytheFIRST Sun 20-Apr-14 17:33:32

Ruddy, it is almost certain that the teachers had so- called twilight inset sessions where they stayed several evenings until 6-7pm for training in order to allow a day off. It is a fairly accepted practice these days and one that really helps teachers to get through the hell of December with their sanity intact!

That teacher really didn't help the cause with her comment to you though!

TeamEdward Sun 20-Apr-14 18:29:48

We used to have twilight sessions to "qualify" for an extra inset day - basically it's time in lieu - and yes, we were allowed to be out of the house or school on that day! We even used an inset for report writing - but one day was never enough to write 30+ reports.

DH is SMT at a secondary Academy. Their last inset day had 7 teachers doing a First Aid course in the morning, whilst the 40 other teachers had Internet Safety and how to teach it sessions. In the afternoon the whole staff had a carousel of seven different training sessions on various topics inc SEN, Child Protection, and briefings a raft of new DfE edicts.

Now, how does Hunt et al propose to inform parents which training which teacher did?

Panzee Sun 20-Apr-14 18:31:45

I've done loads of twilights but never got a day off in lieu. <pouts> grin

I'm just a parent and there's always lots of muttering about inset days being time off for teachers and why can't they do their training in the holidays? I try to play devils advocate but it falls on deaf ears, people just like to complain. See also, salaries - I have tried to explain that the holidays are unpaid but people just look at you like you're talking a different language.

That said, I would definitely be interested to know what courses my DSs teacher attends. But I reckon it would just be another thing for a lot of parents to pick holes in and criticise.

TeamEdward Sun 20-Apr-14 18:37:39

Panzee, but that's the point of doing twilights!

KittyandTeal Sun 20-Apr-14 18:41:47

Ruddyduck - one of my schools did this. We had an 'inset' day around Christmas time that teacher had off. We earned it by doing 4 twilight sessions (training 3.30-7) after school hours to make up the inset time iyswim.

Worked well but when you added up the hours we ended up doing more hours training doing the twlights rather than just one inset day.

rollonthesummer Sun 20-Apr-14 19:24:42

We do two twilight sessions to enable us to take an inset day 'off'. Four seems ridiculous!

Panzee Sun 20-Apr-14 20:49:23

Maybe I should count my inset days. blush

I actually think I hate twilights more than Insets.

ravenAK Sun 20-Apr-14 21:41:59

Ruddy, I've honestly never heard of that one in 15 years teaching! we do occasionally disaggregate an INSET day, but definitely not for our convenience.

The last one I can recall was because we'd all otherwise have had to come in on the first Monday of the hols. Many of us would have preferred this, but it wasn't allowed - can't remember why - so we did 5 separate twilight sessions instead. It was ghastly.

Our HT is a stickler for us not being seen to gallivant - he insisted that non-striking colleagues didn't go for a pub lunch last strike day, & having agreed to my department being off-timetable for a day for essential controlled assessment moderation, he made us book a conference room at an out of town hotel rather than just all meeting at one of our houses.

But I've absolutely never come across INSET being used for shopping, even if the time was made up in twilight. Tbh I'd be mightily pissed off if my own dc's school did it!

TeamEdward Sun 20-Apr-14 22:32:49

There are two issues here really.
1) The use of twilight sessions to allow time off in lieu for shopping, pub lunches or other gallivanting
2) Schools using the term "Inset Day" for every school closure.

Actually, there are three issues (and I may think of more!)
3) Sometimes twilights are necessary because trainers from outside of schools are booked and can only do after-school hours.

As a staff member, doing twilights in exchange for time off is entirely reasonable. BUT closing the school will be seen as unreasonable by parents who now need to arrange further childcare in addition to the 5 statutory inset days.
If a school is closed because of staff being given time in lieu, then school should not call it an inset day - it just gives all training days a bad rep!

rollonthesummer Sun 20-Apr-14 23:26:22

The schools are not shut for an extra inset day on top of the five inset days though!

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