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Children soiling themselves in school?(38 Posts)
I just want to know what your school policy is on children who have soiled themselves? Particularly, nursery and reception. Do you have two people clean up, do you not clean up until parents are called, do you get the parents to come in or does something else happen? There was an incidence at a school that I did a days supply which made me deeply concerned - to cut a long story short a boy was left in his soiled clothes for over an hour because of child protection. I dont want to go into details because I dont want to be outed but surely the rights of the child to be in clean clothes and the lack of dignity is just as important?
My DS had an accident when he was 5 or 6 as he had a bit of an upset tummy after his lunch when he went to the toilet they were busy and he had an accident while he was waiting. His school left him in the toilet until I came home from work and picked him up.
I'm not being judgey craving, but there has been an unusual increase in children soiling themselves (particularly), and children on constipation medication within the last few years.
Just wondered why.
ipad I vividly remember wetting myself in P1 and I would have been coming up to 6. I can't imagine the teacher didn't notice but she didn't do anything about it. There were plenty of other incidents with other pupils. I suspect schools are being more proactive about ensuring children are clean and dry rather than turning a blind eye. Surely a good thing?
I agree the child should be changed as soon as possible. We allow for one member of staff to change a pupil but all of our toilet doors are left ajar.. I always explain to the child what I am doing and if they can do some of the cleaning up themselves I praise and encourage that. If the incident was early in the day, we throw their clothing into the wash. However, we have a high pupil:staff ratio. Parents always appreciate this.
My ds5 has had this problem recently, the school call DH to go in and change him. Tbh it's not ideal and can be pretty difficult because he is my full time carer and looks after our youngest, but I understand why they do it
A genuine question:
Anyone know why it's getting more and more common for children to wet and soil themselves at 4 or 5?
Our YR children have several 'incidents' a day (worrying at this time of year when children should be nearly ready for Y1). Several years ago this wouldn't have happened.
Is it due to poor diets? junk food? additives? parenting? advice from HV/GPs? medication?
Every nursery and school should have a comprehensive Intimate Care Policy that covers all of this, parental consent, safeguarding concerns, dignity for the child, staffing, time scales, etc.
In fact if anyone wants a copy of ours, PM me and I'll email it to you on Monday!
DS (5) has a care plan in place in Reception as he suffers from chronic constipation. I supply pull ups, wipes, bags, clean clothes etc and 2 staff members clean and change him as he is still in pull ups. They even installed a changing unit in the disabled toilet for him and would have looked into installing a shower if we felt he needed it.
We have been incredibly lucky in that his teacher and TA's have been amazing and his main TA even instigated putting him in pants with a continence pad. Sadly recent problems have meant he is currently back in pull ups but again they are doing as much as possible to keep encouraging him to use the toilet. Can't fault their dedication in helping him.
I would be horrified if he was ever left in soiled clothes for a prolonged time but sadly I have heard its not uncommon in some schools
I went in as mum help a lot and was asked to supervise a little boy changing himself after soiling. I was [shocked] and a bit lost because tbh he needed a wet wipe or wash down and I was not comfortable doing this. Teacher was alone with class so I think I was her best bet! I was very 'known' to the whole staff having had DC at school for 10 yrs but it was still a bizarre decision by the teacher
I used to be a TA in a Y1 at a boys prep school and it happened more than most people would imagine it would, excitement at playtime etc. just forgetting to go to the toilet. We even used to have a spare bag of pants. They would just be cleaned up, changed and the dirty clothes sent home wrapped in a plastic bag.
DD wet herself a couple of times in reception. They gave her clean clothes to change into and I was given her wet clothes in a bag at home time.
Dd2 frequently wet herself during the first half term at school and she was changed in to clean pants and her school pinafore washed and dried! I had signed a permission form for this to be done (given to all parents on their child's entry to school) but had not expected it to be needed as she had been toilet trained since 2 years old and never wet or soiled at home. Eventually, I realised what the problem was - she was holding on too long and did not make it to the toilet in time. The reason for holding on was that she did not like going into the toilet as she had seen a spider there on one occasion and this put her off as she hated creepy crawlies. Once we realised what the problem was the Nursery Nurse in the class offered to check the toilet before she went in (toilet led off the classroom) and the problem was instantly solved! Fortunately she has grown out of her spider phobia.
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Why are they soiling themselves in nursery or reception? There could be a number of reasons... my dd was three and soiled herself because the she said she was waiting to tell the teacher she needed the toilet and the teacher was too busy. The teacher said she didn't need to ask but my dd always wanted to check first.
I think it's not unreasonable to think that a 3, 4 or 5 year old might have the odd accident at school. Starting school is very stressful and that could be a cause of accidents.
Wayneta, my Ds was still soiling in yr4.
Google encopresis. It's extremely common. And sadly, because it's so taboo to discuss soiling in any child above toddler age, it is not unusual for children who soil to be left in excrement for the remainder of the school day.
I've lost count of the number of times I went to school at pick up time to spot Ds at twenty paces in obvious discomfort, and then as he got closer, to smell him, then have to go home and literally shower and scrub him off, as the accident had been so long ago it was dried and crusted. But apparently 'no one noticed'. Mmmmmmmm. It's a good excuse for doing nothing, if not exactly believable.
Children who do this regularly need a care plan in place, with school naming the adults who will change them (and agreeing any extra remuneration necessary) and the school needs to be working in consultation with the family and doctor to agree a plan that will work towards future problems. The school nurse (yes, there is one. Ours was crapola and only available on the telephone as I don't think she ever went near the actual school) can usually be persuaded to help set one up.
It can take over 6 months to retrain a bowel in encopresis cases. And of course children with other sn are often not in the position to respond to treatment, or have other complicating neuropathies.
Not a teacher, but when my kids have had accidents (they are Y2 now), they have been cleaned up and changed. In nursery (attached to school) there was a nursery nurse who dealt with the children who had had accidents. In reception and up I think the teacher would provide clean clothes but not sure to what extent they helped. I remember my DS having an accident in Y1 just before I collected him at home time. The teacher had given him paper towels and tissue, a plastic bag and a spare set of clothes but left him to sort him self out in the toilet, so I went in to deal with him.
As a reception teacher, I've dealt with it a couple of times.
In that situation, I always try and take the view of the parent. Would they want their child sitting in their own poo for ages? No.
2 members of staff will then take the child to the disabled toilets near the front office, so there are other staff around. The door is closed enough to give the child some privacy, but left sufficiently ajar so that other staff can listen it as appropriate.
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What tethersend said. Bladder and bowel control are directly referenced in the new EYFS, under Physical Development strand Health and Self-Care. Even the Early Learning Goal for the end of Reception states that it's expected that children are usually dry and clean during the day.
I teach nursery. I clean up poo and wee. I change nappies. I mop the floor. I have 26 very challenging children. If there were 2 of us changing a nappy there would only be 1 TA or sometimes nobody left with the other 25 going bananas.
I can't imagine deliberately leaving a 3 year old sitting in poo for any length of time.
We have this issue at our school. If it is a one off or occasional accident staff change the child. There are always 2 members of staff present.
However there is a child who continually soils himself on a daily basis. With only 3 members of staff and 36 other children to supervise and teach it puts the school in a difficult position. We will phone the child's parents if they are available, but as a mum I hate this and where possible I will change the child.
are you genuinely interested in reasons why waynetta?
Im sure there are different reasons for different children, but in my sons case he has ASD and toilet training him has been a long slow process. He's nearly 6 now and still has accidents despite him being 'mostly' trained for the last 3 years.
In no way is Dd shy, she was just 4 at the time, she's an August baby so still quite young. I think a couple of accidents in a new environment at such a young age can be excused can't they? They weren't even full poos, she just did a little in her pants before making it to the loo. Anyway they don't have to put up their hand in our reception. They can go anytime they want.
Not even just shy kids but kids that are just busy, engrossed in what they are doing or just being in a new environment, being nervous about using school toilets etc. Any number of reasons.
And then obviously illness or health problems or a child having sn's, there is a whole raft of reasons children may wet or soil themselves.
Oh ok, didn't know it was that common. I guess in very shy kids who maybe don't want to put their hand up to go to the loo it must be just something that happens.
Not a teacher but our dd has had a couple of accidents. Both times she's been cleaned up and we've been told, discretely, at pick up.
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