To wonder why Camilla is Duchess of Cornall, and Kate to be made Countess of Strathearn... When neither are Cornish or Scottish?

(41 Posts)
Carlia Thu 07-Jun-12 17:23:15

Ummm, I'm fairly apathectic about the Royal family in general but I do find this strange... AIBU?

Charles is Prince of Wales yet isn't Welsh. I think it's more to do with representing/ruling (take your pick) all of the constituent parts of the United Kingdom.

Groovee Thu 07-Jun-12 17:25:03

Well the Duke of Edinburgh isn't from Edinburgh is he?

Euphemia Thu 07-Jun-12 17:25:53

Charles isn't Welsh and Phillip isn't from Edinburgh, so YABU.

Carlia Thu 07-Jun-12 17:26:00

But surely it would be better having someone Welsh/Cornish/Scottish?

Oppsididitagain Thu 07-Jun-12 17:26:05

It's all to do with traditional bequests of land but these days is just a title

Groovee Thu 07-Jun-12 17:27:52

What happens if none of the soon to be spouses are Welsh/Cornish/Scottish

I believe William and Catherine got Strathearn to acknowledge their time at St Andrews

Carlia Thu 07-Jun-12 17:28:37

I am genuinely surprised so many people agree with it

RobotLover68 Thu 07-Jun-12 17:32:52

you've forgotten the Earl and Countess of Wessex - where IS Wessex these days?

Bathsheba Thu 07-Jun-12 17:36:51

St Andrews is kind of nowhere near Strathearn - although when I grew up in Strathearn every school trip we ever went on was to St Andrews...

I'm genuinely surprised so many people are so ignorant of the history and habits of this nation. hmm

OP - we are ruled by a monarchy who pass their right to rule down by blood. With that goes a shed load of titles and some nice real estate. Has been like that for over a thousand years now.

Btw - it's not just the Royals. The Duke of Devonshire's 'seat' is where?

QueenSconetta Thu 07-Jun-12 17:39:44

Camilla is also the Duchess of Rothesay.

Carlia Thu 07-Jun-12 17:43:23

Northernlurker - Do you mean me?

diddl Thu 07-Jun-12 17:43:48

Well it´s not the wives fault that they have/are entitled to their husbands titles, is it?

nagynolonger Thu 07-Jun-12 17:45:53

Chatsworth derbyshire

Magneto Thu 07-Jun-12 17:47:11

I agree there have been a lot of posters recently without a clue about how the monarchy works, fair enough if you're foreign but if you're British I would have thought you would have known at least some of the basics eg; succession and inheritance of titles.

It's very strange, although maybe I'm the strange one for thinking most people would know these things already.

Carlia Thu 07-Jun-12 17:48:29

There is a difference between disagreeing with something and being ignorant of it

OldGreyWiffleTest Thu 07-Jun-12 17:49:31

Camilla could be Duchess of Cornwall because she's married to the Duke of Cornwall???? Doh!

LentillyFart Thu 07-Jun-12 17:51:52

I am genuinely surprised so many people agree with it



TheNewandImprovedMrsHollywood Thu 07-Jun-12 17:52:02

OP - but you didn't say you disagreed, you said you wondered why it was in your thread title. If you were saying you disagreed with it, perhaps you should have said that.

Yes I meant you. You weren't saying you disagreed with the titles, you were saying 'arf isn't it strange that's their title when they don't come from there'.

LentillyFart Thu 07-Jun-12 17:52:23

I don't think you're strange magneto

chocolateandcoffee Thu 07-Jun-12 17:56:27

while I was googling what they wore to the jubilee yesterday [i didn't watch any of the coverage] i came across the duchess,countess or whatever of northern Ireland.

Having lived in Northern Ireland most of my life I have never heard of this women. you have just reminded me to go and google her

Magneto Thu 07-Jun-12 17:56:34

Thank you lentilly grin

AdventuresWithVoles Thu 07-Jun-12 17:59:42

Does Queen just have a list of available titles to choose from? Are the inherited, too?

nagynolonger Thu 07-Jun-12 18:03:15

.The title Duke of York normally goes to 2nd born royal son. The Queen was bon Princess of York.

McKayz Thu 07-Jun-12 18:03:19

I live in North Yorkshire and the Duchy of Lancaster owns loads of land here. Not really all that close to Lancaster.

I wonder why its the Duchy of Lancaster but not near Lancaster.

Is the Marquis of Bath somehow related to the Royal Family?

nagynolonger Thu 07-Jun-12 18:05:15

Born even. I'm not sure if there will ever be another Duke of Windsor.

I'm sure the non royal ones die out if the male line dies out.

HRHOliviaMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 07-Jun-12 18:05:36

We have moved this to our Royal Family topic
I don't want to give up my Jubilee name though.
(reckon I can string it out till the Olympics?!)

BeardofZeus Thu 07-Jun-12 18:05:44

I got the OPs sense of sarcasm in the post that pointed towards a dislike of the monarchy. And I am not ignorant of our sovereign practices - but tend towards the agreement of what is the bloody point of all the bloody titles if they all go to the same bloody people? Luckily after the Jubilee weekend, us who don't give a poop about the monarchy can ponder in peace.

I think the Duke of Windsor title is so loaded it won't ever be reused. If you want to look for some obscure ones you need to look back at the families of Victoria and George III. Dukedoms of Albany, Cumberland, Connaught and Clarence there.

nagynolonger Thu 07-Jun-12 18:17:48

The Queen (or King) give their DC these titles. Often they are given when they marry. I'm sure that's when Prince Andrew became Duke of York and Fergie became a Dutchess. The Queen Mother was still Dowager (sp?) Dutchess of York.

Abzs Thu 07-Jun-12 18:46:57

Certain titles are in the gift of the monarch and don't pass to the children. e.g. the Strathearn title given to William and Catherine.

Also he needs a Scottish title to be called by up here. Charles and Camilla are the Rothesays north of the border.

The monarch is the Duke of Lancaster, regardless of gender. Duchy land

TheMonster Thu 07-Jun-12 18:48:06

I read the title as Countess of Streatham. grin

GitAwfMayLend Thu 07-Jun-12 18:49:44

I agree with northern - it is an old old tradition and not supposed to make sense. Lots of titles are restricted to royalty for instance, you would have a good job finding random people from Kent, York and Gloucester to fill those titles at will.

Apparently the Duke of Devonshire (nowt to do with Devon, he lives in Derbyshire) was names because of a spelling mistake in an ancient document.

PuffPants Thu 07-Jun-12 18:54:04

What/where is Strathearn anyway? How come they get their very own Earl? Never heard of the place till Kate and Wills bagged it, sure it is lovely, of course.

Anyone else watch Kate over the weekend and think "blimey, she did well for herself"?

McKayz Thu 07-Jun-12 19:01:44

Thanks Abzs. A few people have said that the Queen owns the woods and castle here but signs around and the English Heritage signs say Duchy of Lancaster. Now it makes sense.

Abzs Thu 07-Jun-12 19:26:29


V pretty part of Perthshire. Excellent hill race at Comrie in September.

Ponders Thu 07-Jun-12 20:47:18

OP, are you planning a new Peasants' Revolt demanding that titles only be given to those who come from the right place? wink

GitAwfMayLend Thu 07-Jun-12 21:40:55

If so please can I bag the title Countess of Ilfracombe?

TheMonster Fri 08-Jun-12 10:48:36

I think my sister has her eye on that one, Git smile

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