Prince William has confirmed he will marry Kate Middleton next year

(485 Posts)
phipps Tue 16-Nov-10 11:14:58

I wonder if we will get a Bank Holiday for it.

sparkle12mar08 Tue 16-Nov-10 11:15:29

Beat me to it!

Pinkjenny Tue 16-Nov-10 11:16:10

I got there first, I believe. See other thread. grin

caramelwaffle Tue 16-Nov-10 11:16:46

smile

phipps Tue 16-Nov-10 11:25:09

Oops, sorry Pinkjenny. I looked as well!!

Chil1234 Tue 16-Nov-10 11:29:45

Someone is going to say it's all be orchestrated to take our minds off the cuts and cheer up the nation wink so I'm going to beat them to it and spoil their fun. Hope they're very happy together

coolascucumber Tue 16-Nov-10 11:35:04

Groan, can't stand the royals, bloody cap doffing and curtseying to a bunch of state parasites.

Chil1234 Tue 16-Nov-10 11:44:48

(And the use of the words 'royal' and 'parasites' in the same sentence was also a dead-cert...) You probably won't be invited coolasacucumber so don't buy a hat.

UnquietDad Tue 16-Nov-10 11:45:46

Hope we get a holiday which is in term-time!!

LadyBlaBlah Tue 16-Nov-10 11:46:03

Couldn't care less

Who's paying though ? Now, that is of interest

Presuming it will be a low key affair seeing as we "are all in this together", and neither of them earn very much money. Indeed he works for the public sector and will be worried about losing his job when the cuts bite hmm

HRHCavey Tue 16-Nov-10 11:52:46

I'm sure there will have been a contingency fund set up for this particular purpose. I can't see Kate's parents affording the whole bill wink.

Good luck to them I say.

sailorsgal Tue 16-Nov-10 12:08:00

How lovely. Congratulations to them both. Hope they will be very happy.

TheFeministParent Tue 16-Nov-10 12:10:04

I think a Royal wedding is a lovely thing.

smellyfeet Tue 16-Nov-10 12:10:43

day off work!

smellyfeet Tue 16-Nov-10 12:11:11

this was probably the most leaked story ever

phipps Tue 16-Nov-10 12:11:34

How so?

polyhymnia Tue 16-Nov-10 12:13:48

Everyone's entitled to their choice of partner, live and let live, etc, etc but must say I'm hardly impressed by the choice of Kate M. in terms of the negative role model she provides for young women - ie no proper job, despite expensive education and degree from a good university. Though I'm not very interested in royals generally, I think most other young European royals seem at least to have chosen partners who, whether male or female, have a career and earn their own living.

SoupDragon Tue 16-Nov-10 12:14:09

Hurrah!

I'm very happy for them.

smellyfeet Tue 16-Nov-10 12:14:20

Its been over the web for ages. Word was it was going to be announced in Summer with a Novemeber wedding. The alst week I read it was going to be announced in Nov for a Summer wedding.

Charles and Diana would have been married 30 yrs nest year. This news would detract from that focus... what I read

Canella Tue 16-Nov-10 12:18:11

hilarious coverage on the bbc news channel - they have nothing more to say than the wedding has been announced but they are managing to drag this out for ages!!

but i feel pleased for Kate and William! but cant imagine how they must cope with all that attention all the time!

KnittingisbetterthanTherapy Tue 16-Nov-10 12:21:01

30 years?? OMG that makes me feel sooo old! shock

All those thinking we're going to get a holiday are going to be disappointed - if no holiday for funerals anymore I'm guessing none for weddings either?

I must now go and book a holiday for the whole of next Spring/Summer so I can avoid the whole tedious subject smile.

HRHCavey Tue 16-Nov-10 12:24:30

From what I understood they didn't want the wedding in 2012 as it would clash with the Jubilee celebrations and Olympics.

There will be plenty of American/Japanese tourists booking their flights for next year! Should give the local economy a boost!

PrincessFiorimonde Tue 16-Nov-10 12:33:41

Wish they would get married tomorrow to spare us months of achingly boring coverage of every last aspect of their tedious past and future lives.

<<joins Knitting in the queue at travel agency>>

Dolanette Tue 16-Nov-10 12:35:07

Did they get engaged?? confused

coolascucumber Tue 16-Nov-10 12:39:02

You're right chil1234 I won't be buying a hat and I won't be going to the wedding but you can bet my family will end up paying in some way for their family wedding. Would you normally contribute to the wedding costs of a couple you don't know?

Estimates put the cost of the royal family to the country at £180m - enough to pay for 10,726 new nurses or 9,241 new police officers; or 9,089 new teachers or 3,660 new GPs or 563 new hospital beds or 18 new schools.

They are thought to be 21 times more expensive than our MPs but at least we can vote for them and scrutinise their expenses.

Happy for them as a couple if they have found their life partner but depressed at the endless hysteria this will cause across the nation bowing and scraping like medieval surfs.

coolascucumber Tue 16-Nov-10 12:39:56

sorry serf

KnittingisbetterthanTherapy Tue 16-Nov-10 12:41:42

Princess, think it will be a long queue smile.

(And grin at your regal NN!)

cool, couldn't agree more - but no bowing and scraping going on here, only the scraping of violins if I here one more bloody commentator go on about how hard their lives are hmm.

McDreamy Tue 16-Nov-10 12:42:26

Fantastic news, how exciting for them!

KnittingisbetterthanTherapy Tue 16-Nov-10 12:42:32

hear not here obviously blush

stripeybumpsmum Tue 16-Nov-10 12:44:26

I'll knock Katherine/Catherine nn Kate off our baby name list then. Baby due in May? Popular name? Noooo. It's ok, girls list very long. William not on boys list. Nothing at all on boys list in fact....

maybemore Tue 16-Nov-10 12:47:41

Glad I'm not the only one to think Kate Middleton is an utterly useless choice of future queen.

She's dull, she's never had a job despite being nearly 30 (unless a couple of months at Jigsaw doing bugger all counts), she just hangs around, wears bad clothes and does nothing. Oh and she very enthusiastically embraced bloodsports. Urgh, I can't bear that she is going to be on every paper from now on.

ZZZenAgain Tue 16-Nov-10 12:50:13

I suppose it depends how important a queen is to you. Those qualifications sound about right for the job to me.

What do you expect of a future queen then? I mean what do you think your next queen needs to do/have done/be like for you to feel happy about it?

I'm against the institution of royalty as such but don't dislike the Windsors personally. I am not bothered who William marries

WelshCerys Tue 16-Nov-10 12:52:15

Yes, coolascucumber - in an otherwise broke country, this seems absurdly irresponsible. Unless, of course, they fork out for the wedding themselves but then again, how could they, even their 'private means' (the Royals that is) have been acquired through public funds. All we can hope for is a low budget wedding ...

On polyhumia's point about KM. Seems extraordinary in this day and age that an educated young woman not so much can't as won't work for a living.

Broadly, I am a so-called monarchist - sing my heart out when the national anthem is played BUT their spending needs to be severely reigned in, as it were.

missedith01 Tue 16-Nov-10 12:52:32

In short she seems to have done nothing except wait to be asked. hmm

I'm old enough to remember the nonsense when Charlie and Andrew got married at vast expense. I'll have to leave the country to preserve my blood pressure.

Butterbur Tue 16-Nov-10 12:58:05

I just hope that he's not marrying under any kind of pressure from his family. Look how that worked out for his father.

Otherwise, I'm only passingly interested.

LittleAmy Tue 16-Nov-10 12:59:03

What is it with the royals and their lust for horse-faced women??

ZZZenAgain Tue 16-Nov-10 12:59:36

I think Kate is pretty

HRHMcDreamy Tue 16-Nov-10 12:59:45

Oooh that's a bit harsh LittleAmy

ZZZenAgain Tue 16-Nov-10 13:00:43

I saw the pictures this morning online and thought how very different she looks to his mother though

KnittingisbetterthanTherapy Tue 16-Nov-10 13:00:48

"She's dull, she's never had a job, she just hangs around, wears bad clothes and does nothing"

Sounds just like our current queen - she'll be perfect! grin

AlpinePony Tue 16-Nov-10 13:01:09

She's just so fucking dull for a commoner - at least a night out with Chelsey would mean come morning you've got tales galore, your knickers in your pocket an 5 new phone numbers!

ZZZenAgain Tue 16-Nov-10 13:01:40

she may change after the wedding

Maisiethemorningsidecat Tue 16-Nov-10 13:01:50

Not sure who I feel most sorry for. Him for marrying such a dull woman who has done nothing with her life except hang about waiting for a ring, or her for marrying into a life of media scruntiny.

Actually, on second thoughts, they both seem to have got what they want.

HonestyBox Tue 16-Nov-10 13:01:51

Right, I'm bored of it now, when's the firstborn coming?

maybemore Tue 16-Nov-10 13:01:51

Well zzz ideally I'd like a smart woman that has had a career (and it doesn't have to be a high flying one), who is urbane, who doesn't look like such a dull sloane and is a vegetarian LOL wink Someone who'd bring something new to our Royal Family. She and her family strike me as very in love with the whole being royal thing.

ZZZenAgain Tue 16-Nov-10 13:02:46

a vegetarian eh?
now you're talking

ZZZenAgain Tue 16-Nov-10 13:03:18

first-born
I reckon one year after the wedding

TheCrunchyside Tue 16-Nov-10 13:04:01

bland and inoffensive pair get married

cameron looked very smug - nothing like royal circus to distract the masses from all the cuts.

all a bit yawn for me apart from the prospect of an extra day off work (if i still have a job by then that is)

ZZZenAgain Tue 16-Nov-10 13:05:03

shall we speculate about the dress? Or not yet?

HonestyBox Tue 16-Nov-10 13:05:21

People who think Kate Middleton will be queen - you don't understand how this sort of monarchy works. It's a blood system - you have to be born into it.

strandedatseasonsgreetings Tue 16-Nov-10 13:06:59

As soon as I saw the words "BBC Live Coverage of the Royal Engagement" I thanked god I'm out of the UK and not having to endure the endless interviews with completely irrelevant "royal watchers", repeats ad nauseum of the announcement and no doubt on-going speculation about the wheres and whens that will be happening right now.

Do you think we'll have street party's like with Charles and Di's wedding?

maybemore Tue 16-Nov-10 13:08:14

Well at least one that doesn't love hunting down innocent stag/foxes/rabbits - oh anything.

PS I used to see her around as she hung around local pubs, polo grounds etc - she loves swishing her hair about and looked very very middle aged/dull. Bet she'll choose a crap dull dress too.

Bring back Chelsea.

ZZZenAgain Tue 16-Nov-10 13:08:33

don't know about street parties.

I'll be overseas, probably in Singapore by then, so I won't be dancing in the streets

Maisiethemorningsidecat Tue 16-Nov-10 13:09:10

It's a love story according to one 'royal watcher' dontcha know.

Behead the lot of them, I say (not really) (lie)

strandedatseasonsgreetings Tue 16-Nov-10 13:09:14

Honestybox - maybe they decided they needed to bring some fresh blood into it as they were all starting to look a bit too much like each other?

PrincessFiorimonde Tue 16-Nov-10 13:15:03

HonestyBox: 'It's a blood system - you have to be born into it.'

Funnily enough, the two most popular 'royals' in recent years (Princess D and the last queen mother) weren't born into it. I always think that spoils the 'bloodline' argument advanced by monarchists. (Am not suggesting you are one of them, HB: just picking up on that particular sentence.)

(PS Despite my nickname [from a fairy story], I am an unshakeable republican. A la lanterne with the lot of them!)

WelshCerys Tue 16-Nov-10 13:16:35

Just had a pleasing thought. William did the traditional thing and asked Mr M for permission to wed his daughter. Will Mr and Mrs M, as parents of the bride, do the equally traditional thing and pay for the wedding, lock, stock and barrel?

Surely - after all, public finances are fully stretched, so we're told and Mr and Mrs M will want to do the right thing by all of us. Yes? No?

PrincessFiorimonde Tue 16-Nov-10 13:18:18

Xpost with Maisie.

<<sharpens the guillotine>>

strandedatseasonsgreetings Tue 16-Nov-10 13:18:42

And what if Mr M had said no?

ZZZenAgain Tue 16-Nov-10 13:19:02

maybe he has a few times?

TeaRocks Tue 16-Nov-10 13:19:39

Surely, when/if Prince William becomes King, her title will be Queen? I believe that technically she would be Queen consort, but her title would still be Queen Catherine.

Prince Philip is technically King consort, isn't he? But men are still known as Prince in that situation but women are known as Queen.

BetsyBoop Tue 16-Nov-10 13:22:26

sooooo not interested in this none news story

>>Wish they would get married tomorrow to spare us months of achingly boring coverage of every last aspect of their tedious past and future lives.

exactly....

edpen Tue 16-Nov-10 13:23:40

@strandedatseasonsgreetings the coverage has already been cringe-making! I was stuck at the garage waiting for a repair and it was all on the TV with everyone and his or her dog who ever met her being interviewed. It was embarassing to be in the same room as all that drivel.

Hulababy Tue 16-Nov-10 13:25:17

How lovely for them.

A day off work would be nice

sieglinde Tue 16-Nov-10 13:26:48

Why are we paying for this/them?

Do you know the coalition has done some dirty deal with Queen Brenda-loooong-to-reign-over-us whereby in exchange for a small cut in the Civil List she takes back the massivley bigger sums from ALL the Crown lands - which DON'T belong to her, really? Apparently this will cost the exchequer billions. But of course dear David is a bower-and-scraper elect.

If one person on the Beeb or off it says how hard they work I will post a photo of my own sick.

So yep, a Parliamentarian - not a Roundhead, though. I'd be fine with them if they'd stop taking taxpayers' money, in ANY form.

icandoit Tue 16-Nov-10 13:29:37

She is dull, dull, dull. Guess Wills thinks if she'll hang around for EIGHT years then she won't be a stroppy cow or an inconvenience in the future grin

I've just turned the telly on and they are really scraping the bottom of the barrel. The good news for those who like this sort of thing is there is a whole programme on about them tonight. Whoo hoo [bored]

diddl Germany Tue 16-Nov-10 13:31:25

TBH they seem about as dull as each other to me.

People always say he´s like his mum, but he just about seems a clone of his dad to me.

icandoit Tue 16-Nov-10 13:33:48

And as for 'living in Wales' - yeah right!

BadgersPaws Tue 16-Nov-10 13:34:16

"Surely, when/if Prince William becomes King, her title will be Queen? I believe that technically she would be Queen consort, but her title would still be Queen Catherine."

Technically she would be a Queen Consort, that is to say that she would not inherit the throne on her husbands death. However technically her Husband is known as a King Regent, both are usually just shortened to King and Queen.

Camilla is, allegedly, going to be a Princess Consort so as not to take on the title of "Queen".

Philip is not a King Consort, he's not even a Prince Consort, he's the Duke of Edinburgh. He's never been formally named as anything other than that.

We don't, as a rule, seem to ever have an explicit King Consort. Queen Victoria wanted to name Albert that but Parliament refused it, so he got Prince Consort instead.

BadgersPaws Tue 16-Nov-10 13:39:04

"Do you know the coalition has done some dirty deal with Queen Brenda-loooong-to-reign-over-us whereby in exchange for a small cut in the Civil List she takes back the massivley bigger sums from ALL the Crown lands - which DON'T belong to her, really? Apparently this will cost the exchequer billions. But of course dear David is a bower-and-scraper elect."

If you mean the Crown Estates then they "only" generated an income of just over £210 million last year. Substantial, but not "billions".

Where did you hear about the crown getting the income back?

polyhymnia Tue 16-Nov-10 13:39:52

Just looked at BBC website - party leaders queueing up to grovel. Some woman who has made a film about their 'romance' says Kate is 'very modern' and very relevant' - let's hope not representative of modern women, given her choice of idleness and her dullness, already discussed. And relevant to what exactly ??

WelshCerys Tue 16-Nov-10 13:41:52

From the ongoing, live Guardian blog (lovely):
"Among Middleton's ancestors are Northumbrian miners and Kent builders' labourers." So, Kate, hard work, indeed any work, IS in your DNA. No excuses.

Common consent, in spite my earlier posting, that the public will pay for this. If the sums are hushed up, a freedom of information request might yield some interesting information?

strandedatseasonsgreetings Tue 16-Nov-10 13:42:49

How many times have they used the phrase "royal fairytale" so far?

Actually this is going to be a nightmare for us. We'll be home for it and dd2 is desperate to be a princess when she grows up. Once she sees all this she won't believe me when I tell her she'll have to pick another career choice.

whatkungfuthat Tue 16-Nov-10 13:44:56

They both seem dull (she is a very mumsy dresser). I would be much more interested if it were Harry and Chelsy though.

HonestyBox Tue 16-Nov-10 13:45:07

Pahh, just had to spit my tea out at the idea of me being a monarchist. I'd be happy to see the back of them. I was just emphasizing the fact that we have a 'primogeniture' system so that you can only inherit the position of king or queen by blood. I thought this was why we have Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip but correct me if I'm wrong.

StrictlyOogieBoogiePumpkin Tue 16-Nov-10 13:48:18

Excellent posts cucumber

I too hate being a 'subject' and having someone totally unelected sponge off us.

It's 2010 not 1610, we don't need a King to lead us into battle FGS.

Viva la Republic grin

Mumfun Tue 16-Nov-10 13:52:05

Agree Polyhymnia and Maybemore

So dull, hasnt done anything. So privileged to get all that education and do nothing with it!

Would love her to be veggie -and non caucasian - the Royals could do with an injection of a bit of colour!

I am so uninterested in all the sycophantic nonsense we are going to subjected to. Yawn yawn!

maybemore Tue 16-Nov-10 13:52:51

I do find it genuinely depressing how much grovelling and how little incisive comment is being made on all channels.

I understand a wedding is a nice thing and look forward to the Hello special but do I want to pay for it NO, do I want to hear about it for the next 6 months NO, do I want a day off YES!

Background of current Crown Princesses/Princes

Denmark stylish Australian Estate Agent
Holland stylish Argentian Banker
Norway stylish Single mother and waitress
Sweden stylish Gym owner
Spain stylish Newsreader
Jordan stylish Banker/IT specialist

and UK dull, frumpy Kate Middleton done nothing, is nothing!

Mumfun Tue 16-Nov-10 13:56:42

Her looks are irrelevant really I think.

But yes with you on the:

a wedding is a nice thing and look forward to the Hello special but do I want to pay for it NO, do I want to hear about it for the next 6 months NO, do I want a day off YES!

PrincessFiorimonde Tue 16-Nov-10 14:02:45

HonestyBox: had a feeling your reaction might be along the lines of your last post... (Hence my caveat when I quoted you.)smile

BadgersPaws: interesting about king consort. I think (but have not Googled to check) that Mary I's husband Philip of Spain was the only king consort? I guess resistance to Victoria's suggestion was due to a fear that some foreign princeling would gain control of our cherished throne, blah blah blah.

I think Sieglinde, who mentioned the crown estates, is right in that a couple of weeks ago it was reported that the Civil List is to be suspended. Instead, the royals will in future receive a percentage of the crown estates as their income. (Again, haven't Googled, but do seem to remember this in the news.)

MrsGuyOfGisbourne Tue 16-Nov-10 14:06:06

at least they could have named the specific day - now there will be endless speculation on every 'news' programme - I wonder if today is a day someone wants to bury bad news - looks like the next 6-8 months will be good for that

piscesmoon Tue 16-Nov-10 14:08:08

'but must say I'm hardly impressed by the choice of Kate M. '

As long as they suit each other I don't see why we need to be impressed. You can't please everyone, so there is no point in trying. At least they know each other properly.

toddlerama Tue 16-Nov-10 14:12:24

If we call them boring enough, do you think they'll consider hot-footing it to Vegas? That I would like to see.

MoralDefective Tue 16-Nov-10 14:15:11

Just orf to buy my new hat.hmm

Boring.

BadgersPaws Tue 16-Nov-10 14:16:33

"I think (but have not Googled to check) that Mary I's husband Philip of Spain was the only king consort"

I'm not sure....

Philip seems to have been titled "King of England", but Mary had to nominate him as regent in the event of her death before any child was of age, and on her death he didn't become King. Which sounds to all intents and purposes the same as a King Consort.

"the Civil List is to be suspended. Instead, the royals will in future receive a percentage of the crown estates as their income."

It had better be a small percentage.

The Civil List is about £8 million.

The Crown Estates generate us over £200 million.

taffetacat Tue 16-Nov-10 14:18:46

The Royal Family are just a bit meh and pointless really but always nice to hear of a wedding. As long as I'm not paying.

smallwhitecat Tue 16-Nov-10 14:21:57

Message withdrawn

PrincessFiorimonde Tue 16-Nov-10 14:25:44

Badgers, yes good point that he didn't inherit the throne. Perhaps he was 'king consort for as long as Queen Mary shall live', or some such wording?

Yes, must be a small percentage of the crown estates' income, but I'm sure it's right because I remember reports that if that income goes up, the royals will do better than they do under the current system.

<<still can't be bothered to Google>>

maybemore Tue 16-Nov-10 14:26:29

I don't buy into 'they're pointless' argument.

We need an independent figurehead of some kind to do charity work, give people awards, meet and greet foreign dignatories and currently the best we can come up with is the Queen. So the person marrying our future 'independent figurehead' ought to have something about her.

I was no great fan of Princess Di, thought she was more than a little dim but at least she seemed to have an independent character. Kate M could have been doing charity for 8 years if she didn't want/need a paid job but as far as I can see she goes to the gym, clubs and shops and polo.

BeenBeta Tue 16-Nov-10 14:28:36

maybemore - didnt Kate Middleton work for Jigsaw?

LadyBlaBlah Tue 16-Nov-10 14:29:32
UnquietDad Tue 16-Nov-10 14:30:25

I'm amused by the number of my friends on Facebook who have spent the last six months objecting because the elected representatives of this country are now not of their preferred colour and flavour, but still fall over themselves to express their delight for these unelected spongers.

strandedatseasonsgreetings Tue 16-Nov-10 14:30:27

I read she helped out with her parent's party business.

UnquietDad Tue 16-Nov-10 14:31:09

I read that as "panty business" blush

PrincessFiorimonde Tue 16-Nov-10 14:31:44

BeenBeta - yes, for about five minutes. And part-time.

<<salutes LadyBlahBlah>>

strandedatseasonsgreetings Tue 16-Nov-10 14:31:46

If tax payers paid for the pope's visit/security I can't see a hope in hell of us not paying for this.

LadyBlaBlah Tue 16-Nov-10 14:32:02
sieglinde Tue 16-Nov-10 14:51:30

Here's a link to the story about the Civil List and the Crown estates. Amounts vary in all versions; the one I saw first was in the Indy.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ro yal-cuts-could-make-charles-the-richest-king-in-br itish-history-14982895.html

shock

WilfShelf Tue 16-Nov-10 14:53:32

Monkey's. Chuff. Give. A. Couldn't. So. As Paying. I. Not. Am. Long.

[rearrange into republican phrase of your choosing]

sieglinde Tue 16-Nov-10 14:54:32

Yes, badgerspaws, my point too. I object to what we're paying NOW. Even if we do need an independent figurehead blah, can't we get a cheaper one? I'd do it for my now salary...grin

Komondor Tue 16-Nov-10 14:55:47

First of all, taxpayers cover so much nonsence (legal aid for divorce etc), I'm sure they can contribute to the pomp of Will and Kate's wedding, which will be headline news throughout the work.

Secondly, i dont know Kate or Will, so can't comment on them personally, but pleased that he's been able to choose the girl he wants to marry.

Finally, I want to see her looking pretty in her dress, and will probably watch 20 mins of TV coverage, but would rather the press did not overdo it.

Komondor Tue 16-Nov-10 14:56:17

world even, not work

LadyBlaBlah Tue 16-Nov-10 14:58:37

Wow - you really are in the free world Komondor - what with him " choosing the girl he wants to marry" and all

What a coup hmm

sieglinde Tue 16-Nov-10 15:01:33

Komondor, are you sure? I am really old and I remember Chas and Di's engagement interview -all lovey, all BIIIG lies.

So headlines, so WHAT? Just another sleb event, but one paid for by the numpties - i.e. us.

LadyBlaBlah Tue 16-Nov-10 15:02:47

But you will see her pretty dress, sieglinde ? hmm

HecateQueenOfWitches Tue 16-Nov-10 15:08:40

Great <dripping with sarcasm> does this mean the taxpayer is going to fork out for a massive wedding?

I can't think of anything I care less about than this wedding.

I would imagine it will be all the media talk about for the next year though.

Headline news
'wills' and kate getting married
church church queen blah blah blah
elton john
the dress the dress WHAT ABOUT THE DRESS
the wedding
the honeymoon
when will there be children
isn't she lovely

oh, in other news, some war somewhere, something about a recession, people dying. or something... let's talk for the next 6 months about who will design kate's dress.

<looks up at sky> Where the fuck IS that lift off the bloody planet. I've been waiting AGES.

<folds arms. scowls. kicks something>

littledawley Tue 16-Nov-10 15:11:00

<<<whispers>>> is it just me that wants to see her engagement ring??? blush

Komondor Tue 16-Nov-10 15:14:06

Well, it appears he chose the girl he wanted. They've dated for long enough.

Di married Charles at 20, after a short engagement. I've always thought he married her as she fitted the bill, and not because he loved her.

Yes, it is another Sleb wedding, but as a comparison Wayne and Colleen's wedding was not news the world over, or brought visitors to London. I think this wedding will pay for itself re selling England to American tourists etc. The amount of taxpayers money that is wasted in this country, I'm not going to get upset by the Royal Wedding.

KnittingisbetterthanTherapy Tue 16-Nov-10 15:23:45

Can we have a sweepstake on how long the marriage will last? grin

GetOrfMoiLand Tue 16-Nov-10 15:24:06

They waited for the tories to get back in before they planned a royal wedding, they love this kind of nonsense.

Fizzywaterlover Tue 16-Nov-10 15:31:54

I want to see her engagement ring too!

I am happy for them. I think she is idle and should havehad a proper job. I dislike how her mother has been vilified, but suspect that actually she may well have been socially grasping. I Do NOT want to pay for their blardy wedding, goddammit, but i think KM is gorgeous and mot at all mumsy and was just googling piccies so i can copy her style blush .

I generally dislike the whole concept of the Royles, but cannot admit it to anyone (especially to DH who is a (not) so distant cousin)

and the news made me feel happy.

Conflicted feelings then. grin

sieglinde Tue 16-Nov-10 15:32:35

Gee [gormless face] I was forgetting THAT, yer ladyship.

Her pretty dress.

The likes of me must pipe down faced with such a resplendent thought. Worth every copper they've saved off all this here eddication.

Why - does little dance in pearly coat - it'll be a proper treeeaat!

The worst of it is that some of them probably really think there are people like that still.

KnittingisbetterthanTherapy Tue 16-Nov-10 15:40:24

grin sieglinde

StillSquiffy Tue 16-Nov-10 15:45:27

Given their links to Wales, I am delighted to know that they are going to be living in North Wales after their wedding. Perhaps they can find a nice church in Llandudno to get married in? That would save on the costs. Of course the risk of rain is higher so they may need lots of umbrellas, which will stretch the budget a little.

Pom Bear, anyone?

UnquietDad Tue 16-Nov-10 15:50:39

I don't mind the concept of the Royles either but I thought their last Christmas special was a bit below-par.

LadyBlaBlah Tue 16-Nov-10 15:52:48

"The worst of it is that some of them probably really think there are people like that still."

Evidently there are people still like that <look down or up depending on how you have arranged your MN page>

Just on the tourism thing Komondor:

Tourism revenue is not only irrelevant to a debate about our constitution, the suggestion that the monarchy promotes tourism is also untrue. There is not a single shred of evidence to back this up. Of the top 20 tourist attractions in the UK only one royal residence makes it: Windsor Castle at number 17 (beaten comfortably by Windsor Legoland, in at number 7). Royal residences account for less than 1% of total tourist revenue. Indeed, the success of the Tower of London (number 6 in the list) suggests that tourism would benefit if Buckingham Palace and Windsor castle were vacated by the Windsor family.

The British tourist industry is successful and robust - castles and palaces would remain a part of our heritage regardless of whether or not we have a monarchy (look at Versaille). Other attractions, such as the London Eye, Trafalgar Square, the west end, Bath, Stonehenge, Britain's beautiful countryside and so on, will continue to attract tourists in the same numbers as they do today. The government body responsible for tourism, Visit Britain, hasn't even collated statistics on the monarchy as an attraction, which shows it is not a key factor in the promotion of the UK as a tourist destination.

The tourism argument has been dreamt up to distract people from the real issues. There is no evidence that the monarchy is good for tourism, in fact, there are good reasons why the opposite might be true. Imagine the potential for Buckingham Palace if it was fully opened up to tourists all year round, where visitors can explore every room and courtyard and see the grounds and the magnificent art collection. And of course popular ceremonies such as the changing of the guard will continue.

Just thought I should mention that

strandedatseasonsgreetings Tue 16-Nov-10 15:58:31

Lady blahblah - ah yes but you have to plan for the future. 500 years from now, tourists will be able to see the club where Harry and Chelsy got pissed! Visit the very student house where Wills and Kate met! Sit in a model of the helicopter that Wills used to fly! Try on a pair of Prince Charles fake ears!

(otherwise good post and interesting).

scaryteacher Tue 16-Nov-10 16:04:05

''And of course popular ceremonies such as the changing of the guard will continue.' Er no, why would such ceremonial duties continue if HM was not there to be guarded? The Army are there to fight and guard, not to stand around in best uniform for the tourists.

LadyBlaBlah Tue 16-Nov-10 16:07:37

Are you serious scaryteacher? Those 'guards' don't do no guarding anymore! They are tourist ornaments

piscesmoon Tue 16-Nov-10 16:18:35

They are 'tourist ornaments' for Buckingham Palace-without the Queen they would disappear.

I don't see why it's ok to be so rude about her. As far as we know - she left university and got a job in which she was hounded by the press. Her chap has moved about a bit and she's gone too which makes holding a full time job quite hard and I don't think we should pillory her for putting her relationship at the top of her priority list. She's living in deepest Wales atm - that shows commitment.
Not having a 'proper' job isn't something I expect my daughters to do but life doesn't work out according to anybody's prescription.

I have no great interest in the Royal Wedding as such. A young(ish) couple are getting married - great. They know each other very well and have a committed relationship of many years - lovely. Their friends and parents are delighted - super. That's really all that needs to be said.

(Apart from that I think St Georges Windsor would be a better wedding venue than Westminster Abbey. Shame St Pauls is out.....)

slug Tue 16-Nov-10 16:19:59

What do you do when the population are starting to get restless??? Bread and Circus.

sieglinde Tue 16-Nov-10 16:20:29

Well, far be it from me to butt in, but those guys in the hats are honest-to-god in the armed service. (So they will prolly be out of a job soon...)

I suspect however that if there was money in it they could still stand outside their sentry boxes. They could be guarding the palaces. But is there? Rather agree that tourism doesn't depend on the extant living royals, but on the royal past. People still show up at Versailles, in droves.

DewinDoeth Tue 16-Nov-10 16:27:56

They already live together in Wales - down the road from me. I don't know who's paying their rent though...
Don't get me started on the Wales business. Maybe Kate should be spending her free time learning Welsh, seeing as she's living in an area which is 80% Welsh speaking? And him too?

Sorry, republican and Welsh...

DewinDoeth Tue 16-Nov-10 16:29:29

Bangor Cathedral for the wedding!

KnittingisbetterthanTherapy Tue 16-Nov-10 16:33:35

<waves at Dewin>

You promised to get rid of them girl - get on with it wink!

And PMSL at scaryteacher thinking that changing of the guards is anything other than a lot of crap for the tourists! Bless smile.

Another one who would not donate a monkey's chuff to the cause thereof. biscuit

giveitago Tue 16-Nov-10 16:35:31

Well good luck to them.

For those don't like the choice of bride - who would they think would me more suitable.

"She's dull, she's never had a job despite being nearly 30 (unless a couple of months at Jigsaw doing bugger all counts), she just hangs around, wears bad clothes and does nothing. Oh and she very enthusiastically embraced bloodsports. Urgh, I can't bear that she is going to be on every paper from now on." - but isn't that the typical royal spouse?

FakePlasticTrees Tue 16-Nov-10 16:38:47

oh I want to see the engagement ring too - but then I love the opportunity for bling envy/bitchiness (I rather hope it's hidious.)

As for the costs, surely if her family run a party business, they'll be able to organise a decent do at trade cost levels? (hopes for photos of the Queen having to put up with table confetti and other such shite)

I agree a vegas wedding would be fantastic. Or, Gretna Green? The scots would love it.

lilyliz Tue 16-Nov-10 16:39:24

Diana all over again,big deal

BoffinMum Tue 16-Nov-10 16:49:45

I think we should be applauding the fact that someone who is an air hostess can sell party gear, put her kids through Marlborough on the proceeds, and then her daughter can nab a royal. I think that's all very cool and MN actually.

scaryteacher Tue 16-Nov-10 16:53:25

You will all have seen the engagement ring - it belonged to his Mum.

Knitting - the Guards are on ceremonial duty, but are serving members of HM Forces. They would not be there doing that, unless the Queen was there. When they aren't in the UK, you will find them in Afghanistan being shot at or avoiding IEDs.

I am aware that the changing of the guard is a ceremonial duty, like Divisions, a Passing Out Parade, or the Trooping of the Colour. The point is, the changing of the guard would not happen if we didn't have the Monarch there.

phipps Tue 16-Nov-10 16:58:05

It has just been announced that she has been given Diana's engagement ring.

ledkr Spain Tue 16-Nov-10 17:02:26

i wont be requiring a day off work cos i will have no job by then with all the public sector cuts alongside librarys and youth services,but hey at least they will be happy.hmm

Fififi Tue 16-Nov-10 17:03:52

Bloody cheapskate!

Blimey I wouldn't want my husband's mum's ring even without the unhappy marriage which followed it being used the first time.

Cost cutting initiative? Maybe she'll wear an Oxfam dress and have trade price party favours from the fmaily business...

Yeah right....

NestaFiesta Tue 16-Nov-10 17:03:56

I can't help thinking that an eight year wait (and a break up in between don't forget) smacks of extreme reluctance on his part and I think he has been very unfair to her.

Although I'm certainly no fan of the unpreposessing Ms Middleton, I can't help thinking that he has made her media fodder with no Palace protection or protocol just because its taken him eight years to do as his father has probably told him to.

The long wait has pissed everyone off and we're all bored now, its such an anti climax. In the meantine, William has started to look a bit horsey and boring and Harry just gets hotter! He puts the Ninja into Ginger!

BendyBob Tue 16-Nov-10 17:07:00

I wish them well but arrgh this makes me feel so OLD!! I can so clearly remember Diana with that ring and all the press questions etc when her and Chas got engaged.

Kate and William look a better matched couple; like they actualy like each other. Diana and Charles never looked that comfortable together even in the early days. (Imo disclaimer obv)

diddl Germany Tue 16-Nov-10 17:08:05

Well they´ve been living together so long it´s hard to get excited.

Didn´t Diana also wear blue for her engagement announcement?

Walters83 Tue 16-Nov-10 17:09:22

Fed up with people saying thats it's a distraction to bad things happening. The world is a pretty depressing place sometimes, it's nice to see the news including a happy story for once. Isn't it?

2shoes Tue 16-Nov-10 17:11:35

i am pleased, nice to hear something nice on the news for a change, and I hope it is on tv and the kids get a day off so that dd can watch it.

edam Tue 16-Nov-10 17:12:41

Good grief, I wouldn't take his mum's ring if I were her - such unhappy connotations.

mamatomany Tue 16-Nov-10 17:14:00

How do you organise a street party do you reckon ? Who would close the road off for you, planning a head but knowing the council it'll take a year to organise.

Adversecamber Tue 16-Nov-10 17:14:09

I remember being upset that Princess Anne didn't ask me to be her bridesmaid, I was about 4. I guess Kate won't be asking me to be Matron of Honour.

strandedatseasonsgreetings Tue 16-Nov-10 17:23:19
MrsGuyOfGisbourne Tue 16-Nov-10 17:28:07

Diana's ring.... oh well, that's an auspicious start then hmm The new Princess of tarts Hearts

smallwhitecat Tue 16-Nov-10 17:34:07

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BalloonSlayer Tue 16-Nov-10 17:35:13

I was thinking of posting a thread in AIBU

AIBU to think that to be given an engagement ring that was originally from a marriage that went spectacularly wrong is a bit confused ?

It's right up there with: "hemhem whatever love really means hemhem"

kittya Tue 16-Nov-10 17:36:18

do you really think there will be street parties? really?

PussinJimmyChoos Tue 16-Nov-10 17:36:32

Waity Kate waits no more

Bleugh...just hope we get a day off for it

polyhymnia Tue 16-Nov-10 17:38:28

I feel exactly the same - my reaction was 'yuk'. Seems very insensitive. But it's their choice, I guess.

curlymama Tue 16-Nov-10 17:40:47

I think it's exciting, and I can't wait!

Can't understand why people are slagging off Kate. She isn't on benefits, so who cares if she has a job or not. William loves her, and that's really all that matters.

Choosing a wife because they are considered 'suitable' didn't exactly work out for Prince Charles did it?

KnittingisbetterthanTherapy Tue 16-Nov-10 17:40:49

I'm fully aware that they are serving members of the armed forces hmm. (My first boyfriend was a Coldstream Guard grin!)

If ToC didn't happen anymore I can't honestly say I'd lose any sleep over it, and it would not affect the number of tourists coming to this country in the slightest.

PussinJimmyChoos Tue 16-Nov-10 17:41:33

She's got Diana's ring??? Farking hell, I would be nagging her Maj for pick of the family jewels or drag Will to Tiffanys! I wouldn't want a hand me down....

Is she just 'settling' do you think??? I mean waiting for a man for 8 years ...we need Any Fucker to come on and screech she should bin 'im grin

Doobydoo Tue 16-Nov-10 17:45:49

Gawd bless 'em.This has perked me up no end[not]
Cameron and Clegg are so right it is just what we all need[not]
Bring on the street parties...hurrah for community spirit...we are all in this together.
What a load of pants.
Hideous media
Hideous Government
Hideous Monarchy.

PussinJimmyChoos Tue 16-Nov-10 17:49:06

How much will it cost us in terms of security in London, extra policing etc...

We are meant to be in a recession

They should have got married on a beach somewhere and be done with it

whatkungfuthat Tue 16-Nov-10 17:52:57

I so would not want that ring if it were me, not exactly lucky the first time round was it!

Shallishanti Tue 16-Nov-10 18:04:49

It's been about 10 minutes since this was brought to my attention and I have had ENOUGH ALREADY
Only point of interest is their flying in the face of fate by using her ring....

I bet QVC are rubbing their hands

CheerfulYank Tue 16-Nov-10 18:17:13

Oooh! I want to go!

Prediction: tickets will be made available to the general public on a lottery basis so the 'commoner' can attend.

Will put money on it...

PussinJimmyChoos Tue 16-Nov-10 18:27:34

I would just like a day off -simples grin

KittyFoyle Tue 16-Nov-10 18:41:15

The expected reaction from the joyless Mumsnetters. Luckily in RL I know some socialist anti-monarchists who are much more fun.

It's great that they are being allowed to get married after the nonsense of Charles and Diana. It's lovely she has his mother's engagement ring (I would think that - I have DH's grandmother's and my mum's wedding ring as mine).

For all the carping about the royals their restricted lives are not my idea of privilege.

herhonesty Tue 16-Nov-10 18:44:12

sorry is it hideously inappropriate to ask was she wearing it when she died?

Beveridge Tue 16-Nov-10 18:45:53

I am looking forward to seeing the Royal Family on minibuses again - as witnessed after Charles and Camilla's church blessing.Princess Anne's face was a picture. You'd think she'd nnever been on one before. hmm

You could order large coaches for the Heads of State. Nice ones, with toilets of course.

Given that I'll be footing the bill along with all the rest of the mugs taxpayers in this country, I would like to make sure my money is spent wisely.

KittyFoyle Tue 16-Nov-10 18:46:27

Slightly ghoulish curiosity. I imagine not. She was probably wearing something Dodi gave her. He was a fan of charlie though wasn't he?

phipps Tue 16-Nov-10 18:48:44

Of course not.

scottishmummy France Tue 16-Nov-10 18:50:37

marrying into that bunch of fuckwits,wonder what sees in the puddock faced goon.sheesh and the mil

KittyFoyle Tue 16-Nov-10 18:51:07

Was that just a rumour do you think? I imagine he partook quite often.

expatinscotland Tue 16-Nov-10 18:53:05

'Can't understand why people are slagging off Kate. She isn't on benefits, '

PMSL.

I nominate for Quote of the Week.

Shallishanti Tue 16-Nov-10 19:02:09

hmm, I still have a 'don't do it Di' badge somewhere (I'm THAT old)
maybe I could modify it
badge turned out to be right that time

herhonesty Tue 16-Nov-10 19:02:48

she's just such a poor role model.

i mean waiting around doing f*ck all for her man to pop the question.

jesus she must be dull. but then all they actually say is ra ra ra shoot the damn fox anyway dont they. ho ho. cant believe i am going to have to ensure a year of overhyped trashy news about totally inconsequential facts like what bloody dress she's going to wear.

Shallishanti Tue 16-Nov-10 19:03:34

we also have
'see Cha-Cha and Di-Di breeding in captivity at the Windsor zoo'
grin
who said the SWP were a complete waste of space?

talie101 Tue 16-Nov-10 19:03:43

Of course she's had a job - being 'groomed' to be a future royal by her parents. Hard work being a doormat, sitting pretty, not putting a foot wrong and hanging round till she gets what she wants. Not many girls would pass on that chance!

Get the ring on her finger, give her a few years and lets see her true colours and how long they last. Give her some advice - don't step out of line, be outspoken or stand up for yourself and you may last the course! grin

ledkr Spain Tue 16-Nov-10 19:05:55

im already planning a nice day at the open air pool with the dcs it should be nice and quiet as everyone will be watching it.I just hope the street parties dont block my route to the pool.
Another Diana-well shes started late so she hasnt got long left already.
I dont think people are being bitchy we are jsut fed up with cuts cuts and more cuts so how can we jump for joy at this?I got married last yr in a reg office then for a curry we couldnt afford anything else and really wanted to be married so forgive me for not being too chuffed at paying towards this one.

Hulababy Tue 16-Nov-10 19:06:13

For goodness sake - give them a chance! hmm

ledkr Spain Tue 16-Nov-10 19:08:29

What next they,ll cancell x factor sat for a special royal wedding programme,you'll all be moaning then haha

piscesmoon Tue 16-Nov-10 19:08:49

Why can't she be dull?! They at least know each other and love each other-it stands a good chance of succeeding. I like dull.

Maisiethemorningsidecat Tue 16-Nov-10 19:09:38

I don't think she will step out of line - she appears to have embraced the royal way of life rather too very warmly hmm

Nope, she's in for the long haul (just like her mother - miaowwwww grin)

Has it been decided who's footing the bill yet? At least they'll get their table decorations, party favours and invites for free.

herhonesty Tue 16-Nov-10 19:10:44

i dont mind people being dull, i just take great offence at paying for people to be dull.

love? well as prince charles himself said "whatever that is"

ledkr Spain Tue 16-Nov-10 19:10:56

hahaha and bunny girl costumes for the hen do.

phipps Tue 16-Nov-10 19:13:42

She says a lot but nothing at all.

Kiwichick74 Tue 16-Nov-10 19:15:23

I think Kate looks beautiful and comes across as a lovely person. I wish them all the best.

vinchaud Tue 16-Nov-10 19:20:41

My husband went to Marlborough (her school) but she sounds a lot posher. Obviously been polishing up the accent! She sounds a lot older than her age. Can't believe the media attention on this. My kids are really bored.

scottishmummy France Tue 16-Nov-10 19:20:59

as a republican id rather see em impaled on spike

luckykitty Tue 16-Nov-10 19:21:04

The One Show were just on about them having a wedding cake made from pork pie.....

expatinscotland Tue 16-Nov-10 19:22:14

Had to put the Gaelic station on.

Can't take this anymore.

Good thing she's not Catholic, eh? Pile of anachronistic dullards they are.

BoffinMum Tue 16-Nov-10 19:22:24

Do you think they will ask us all to be bridesmaids?

We could have a collective MN hen night and tell her the truth about marriage ... <wicked emoticon>

scottishmummy France Tue 16-Nov-10 19:25:14

at least she can post on aibu when he cheats on her

vinchaud Tue 16-Nov-10 19:26:22

Maybe she could join MN in disguise (WaityKatie). No one would notice I'm sure. Presume this has already been suggested.

Maisiethemorningsidecat Tue 16-Nov-10 19:27:10

She will not believe us - we are too mean, and anyway, she now has her prince and can spend her days visiting sick puppies, trying on pretty dresses and eating violet cremes whilst waiting for Wills to return home in his helicopter. It's all so, so luvverly - esp. as the peasants are picking up the tab.

<I am much more anti royal than I had realised>

Kiwichick74 Tue 16-Nov-10 19:27:26

Yet when diana died I bet you lot all felt for william and Harry now he has found happeness you slag the girl off. Stop moaning about your cuts it is getting so boring!!!.

Wottknott Tue 16-Nov-10 19:29:47

When the dates set, rent your homes to the tourist and go abroad.

scottishmummy France Tue 16-Nov-10 19:30:21

was non plussed when princess big nose died.another vapid royal bit the dust few more to go

NoelEdmondshair Tue 16-Nov-10 19:37:53

Nice, scottishmummy. Diana's death left two very young boys to grieve for their mum.

BoffinMum Tue 16-Nov-10 19:39:13

We are all but a few large bus crashes away from the throne - did you know Edward III has 3,000,000 living descendants and many of them will be posting on MN RIGHT NOW!!! <genuflects>

BoffinMum Tue 16-Nov-10 19:39:46

Anyway, I have shagged a royal. Very exciting it was too.

Kiwichick74 Tue 16-Nov-10 19:43:30

scottishmummy you are disgusting.

Georgimama Tue 16-Nov-10 19:46:27

I'm with pisces - she's boring, so is he, and what on earth is wrong with that? Ignore the fact he is royal and what you have is one slightly dull but ever so pleasant country type marries another slightly dull but ever so pleasant country type.

Leave them alone, bitter hags. And stop banging on about your benefits, that's boring.

RunawayChristmasTree Tue 16-Nov-10 19:52:23

I think its lovely

CoteDAzur Tue 16-Nov-10 19:53:13

TV guy - There is a rumor that you had Prince William's picture on your wall at uni, before you met him.
Kate - He wishes grin No, actually, I had the Levi's guy on my wall.

grin

I like her.

HeftyMutha Tue 16-Nov-10 19:55:12

Middleton by name, middling by nature. YAWN

All that huge emerald makes me remember is the lies that were fed to the press during the infamous Di/Charles engagement press call, and the fact that Diana bit her nails to the quick and tried vainly to hide it as the world's press zoomed in for a closer look at the bling. I mean, it's hardly an auspicious ornament for a new relationship, is it? hmm

Hang about - this gives the impression that I give a toss. Which I don't. grin

PussinJimmyChoos Tue 16-Nov-10 19:58:40

He kept making a thing about Wills making her wait and Wills said ok don't over egg it....

She looks a bit vacant tbh...very pretty of course, but as if she could be moulded into what you want her to be...which is of course the ideal for the Royals

I am a fan of the Queen as I think she does do a lot but Kate - meh

Wonder what its like to shag a Prince?? Do you lie there singing one day my Prince will come?

<sniggers>

Georgimama Tue 16-Nov-10 19:58:40

It's a sapphire, not an emerald.

Nancy66 Tue 16-Nov-10 20:00:43

Amusing that all the posters who hate the royals and claim to be indifferent to the wedding are on EVERY thread saying just that...

YaddahYaddahYaddah Tue 16-Nov-10 20:01:08

I keep seeing the news and wondering it they have really kinky sex. Always the quiet ones after all.

Hmmmmmmmmm I think I need to get out more.

Oh and another thing! Do you think she's the first one in several generations that isn't already related to the royals to marry a royal?

PussinJimmyChoos Tue 16-Nov-10 20:03:58

Nancy - yes because we are all feeling the cuts and stressing about finances - this kind of senseless extravagance and spending of tax payers money (which it will be in part) just gets on our tits

LucyGoose Tue 16-Nov-10 20:04:29

So she has never held a job, other than a few months at Jigsaw? She's more like the royals than most other upper middle class young women these days it seems.

Whose parents would allow a 30 year old to live at home, not pay rent and not have a job??

LucyGoose Tue 16-Nov-10 20:05:28

PS: and spend money going on holiday with your BF and friends, and buying clothes??

Highlander Tue 16-Nov-10 20:06:43

"Whose parents would allow a 30 year old to live at home, not pay rent and not have a job??"

Mrs Middleton. She raised Katie to marry into the upper classes and that includes never, ever doing commoner stuff like working.

Nancy66 Tue 16-Nov-10 20:07:38

Pussin - speak for yourself, I bet the overwhelming majority of the population don't feel the same way.

And not everyone is feeling the cuts.

I'm not grin

Kiwichick74 Tue 16-Nov-10 20:08:16

Yes, but when would be a good time for them to get married. I hope they spend lots of our money and have a great day!!!.

LadyBlaBlah Tue 16-Nov-10 20:15:32

Well don't you sound Miss Smuggy from Smugland, Nancy

Glad to see empathy is one of your strong points too hmm

Georgimama Tue 16-Nov-10 20:17:07

It matches the empathy displayed on this thread for two inoffensive young people who have just got engaged.

Nancy66 Tue 16-Nov-10 20:18:22

I have empathy - I'm just not broke.

LadyBlaBlah Tue 16-Nov-10 20:22:42

Georgimama - I am sure they are very inoffensive, but please don't pretend that what they stand for, represent and now reinforce is not inoffensive. It is the inequality that drives our society. Oh and they are not that young.

Nancy - yes, great empathy. I'm alright Jack.

Sapphire. Yes, so it is. Funny, I remembered it as green.

Oops. Forgetting I don't give a toss. grin

EightiesChick Tue 16-Nov-10 20:25:17

Devil’s advocate points (and I’m not a rabid Royalist, just an interested observer):

- seems contradictory to me for people to say they don’t want to pay for the wedding but do want a day off, no? If you resent forking out then fair enough but go to work like every other day!

- ‘KM is dull / has done nothing etc’. I’m glad there are so many dazzlingly beautiful, endlessly interesting, high-achieving types on here who feel they’re in a position to criticise. Fact is, her background fits her pretty well for a life of boredom ahead. Anyone who’d had a really exciting, mountain-climbing, Nobel prize-winning run of things would find it extra hard to settle down to a routine of nodding and smiling at children’s choirs and asking polite questions as they tour glue factories. Be glad she’s doing it so you don’t have to.

- A figure was mentioned early in the thread of the Royals’ costs to us. For one thing, that figure seemed relatively low to me in comparison with other bureaucratic costs, but also I wonder if in the interests of balance anyone can provide an estimate of how much they earn the country in providing a focus for tourism? No-one’s going to come here to see the presidential UK residence, you know. I've seen a few posts saying the income they generate from tourism is irrelevant but no data to even try to back that up except from LadyBlaBla.

LadyBlaBla – on that point, was the top 20 tourism table UK (internal) tourist AND overseas, or what? And I don’t agree that the popularity of the Tower of London means people’d prefer it without the royals – it’s visited, I would hazard a guess, as a historical relic with royal connections, not because people want it to revert to its role as a royal jail for the current crop!

Plus I do think it’s sensible to have formed what seems to be a stable long-term relationship and got properly used to one another before they take this step, given the Big Deal that a Royal divorce becomes. I wish them well.

expatinscotland Tue 16-Nov-10 20:25:24

Anti-Catholic, too. Imagine if the same rule held true for Jews and Muslims. It'd be unacceptable. But it's okay to make it a rule that Wills couldn't marry a Catholic and still be king.

Georgimama Tue 16-Nov-10 20:26:48

Much like you, and I suspect all normal people, they most probably do not specifically tailor their every waking moment to whether or not they are perpetuating or fighting inequality.

They've just got engaged, for Christ's sake. It's not a political statement. They've even recycled the ring (very thrifty) and that gets sneered at. Frankly, there is little they could do other than commit hari-kari which would please most people on this thread.

Kiwichick74 Tue 16-Nov-10 20:27:12

Ladyblablah-blah blah blah.They do more then what you think.

TankFlyBossWalk Tue 16-Nov-10 20:31:20

She wears real fur and his family hunt deer for fun. They're awful people and I hope it rains on their big day!

LadyBlaBlah Tue 16-Nov-10 20:33:49

I just don't like the monarchy. I hate the inequality. I hate the hypocrisy. I honestly think I would abdicate if I were in line to be on the throne - it is a farce and frankly embarrassing.

I haven't said anything other than the whole thing is a ridiculous delusion. I couldn't care less about the ring - minor point.

It's funny how when in the context of talking about monarchy, people become less embarrassed of sneering at the poor (Nancy). That's what I hate - people who have a good deal with life thinking they are superior to those who have had a shit deal in their life

And before you start, I have had a good deal in life. Yet I don't think I have the right to sneer at those who haven't.

Nancy66 Tue 16-Nov-10 20:34:07

does she wear real fur? I've never seen/heard it.

And thousands of deer are culled every year.

Georgimama Tue 16-Nov-10 20:34:34

Rain on a wedding day is supposed to be indicative of a fruitful marriage. I doubt they would care about a spot of rain.

LadyBlaBlah Tue 16-Nov-10 20:34:42

What Kiwi - what exactly do they do?

Nancy66 Tue 16-Nov-10 20:35:47

Where have I sneered at the poor?

I've just pointed out that not EVERYBODY in the Uk is hard up - that's all. No sneering from me.

I've been poor. Now I'm not.

Georgimama Tue 16-Nov-10 20:36:34

No reason to sneer at anyone, is there, which you are doing. Not their fault they've had a good deal in life, and perhaps they feel they might as well do something useful with their position in life, which they do.

LadyBlaBlah Tue 16-Nov-10 20:39:21

Do something useful? What do they do that is so useful?

Can anyone answer this question?

Nancy - you sounded very I'm alright Jack, fuck the lot of you, when you said:

"And not everyone is feeling the cuts.

I'm not grin "

It's the grin

Nancy66 Tue 16-Nov-10 20:42:01

use of smiley face emoticon usually indicates humour does it not?

Georgimama Tue 16-Nov-10 20:42:16

Why don't you google it then? Or look at the Court Circular page occasionally? Or the Queen's website?

Do you honestly think the woman just sits there polishing her crown all day long?

TankFlyBossWalk Tue 16-Nov-10 20:42:38

Nancy66, yes Kate Middleton has been photographed in mink fur. The royal family don't don't 'cull' deer, they're members of fox and stag hunts and do it for fun.

They're a national embarrassment.

LadyBlaBlah Tue 16-Nov-10 20:43:50

It's maybe not funny that you are not suffering from the cuts? Just a bit smug

LadyBlaBlah Tue 16-Nov-10 20:46:28

On the charity work:

.
Even the palace itself claims credit for charity work in an attempt to justify the enormous cost of the monarchy to the taxpayer. It is used as a smokescreen to deflect attention from the real issues. It works well because few people are willing to question another person's charity 'work'. It is, however, little more than a cynical PR exercise.

Two obvious points can first be raised to rebut this monarchist defence:

* The royals can continue to do charity work in a republic. They do not need official 'royal' statue to raise money for charity.
* Their value to charities is their celebrity status, which they will retain even after the monarchy is gone.

If you are unconvinced by these simple points it is worth considering some pertinent questions:

* What charity work do they actually do?
* How do other countries manage without the Windsors?
* What charities are they mainly involved with? (many are their own creations)

The following points are also worth considering:

* This is a cynical use of charities to bolster their own reputations and stave off criticism about their lifestyles and extravagances
* There is a big difference between simply turning up at engagements, (what the royals do) and being an engaged patron (something many other celebrity patrons do)

LadyBlaBlah Tue 16-Nov-10 20:47:16

On working hard:

Let's assume for a moment that the Windsors do work hard, is this an argument for the monarchy? Should we appoint a head of state, MPs or other officials based on who works the most hours in the year?

Nurses, teachers, manual workers, police officers and even City bankers - these are people who work hard. To compare the royals' lifestyle with theirs is absurd. The royals are paid astronomic hourly rates for their "work" and yet accept none of the risks of redundancy or formal performance appraisals, and do not have the same chores and responsibilities the rest of us face at home.

The simple truth is that they do very little. Mark Bolland, former press officer for Prince Charles, was quoted on Janet Street Porter's BBC programme in 2005 as saying "the Windsors are very good at working three days a week, five months of a year and making it look as though they work hard" .

Georgimama Tue 16-Nov-10 20:48:49

You've quite clearly cut and paste that from somewhere. You seem to be missing the point that the Queen is also head of state, and costs us significantly less money than other heads of state do their respective countries.

Nancy66 Tue 16-Nov-10 20:50:52

If the country wanted a republic I daresay we could have one - but poll after poll shows that the overwhelming majority want a monarchy.

tethersend Tue 16-Nov-10 20:51:58

Is this supposed to cheers us up in our hour of darkness?

Because to be honest, I'd rather have some free cheese.

Georgimama Tue 16-Nov-10 20:52:29

Ah, here it is:

republican nonsense

Thought it looked a little bit pat.

Nancy66 Tue 16-Nov-10 20:54:42

ha ha ha - tut tut Ladyblah - no original thoughts of your own?

fraggletits Tue 16-Nov-10 20:57:13

I remember reading Kate's Mum, a social climbing ex air hostess was known as 'doors to manual' by williams inner circle.

That probably isn't true though.

Who was that pug faced slapper Harry was always being photographed with last year? If only it was them sat there on ITV tonight - hilarious!

KnittingisbetterthanTherapy Tue 16-Nov-10 21:01:16

LadyBlaBlah linked to that website ages ago. Wake up.

strandedatseasonsgreetings Tue 16-Nov-10 21:04:07

From what I understand, some of the royals work harder than others. I gather Princess Anne is one of the harder working ones.

But yes I agree, they do seem to go on a lot of expensive holidays in places like Kenya, the Caribbean and Switzerland (skiing).

LadyBlaBlah Tue 16-Nov-10 21:04:07

It is from the Republic website

You should try reading it

LadyBlaBlah Tue 16-Nov-10 21:05:11

Yes, Georgimama - they have some interesting figures on other heads of state costing significantly less

Georgimama Tue 16-Nov-10 21:08:04

Yes she did, but I don't think she made any attempt to make it clear that her subsequent posts were a verbatim cut and paste job from it. Looked very much like we were supposed to think these marvellous arguments were her own.

I have read it. Or are you attempting to deploy the classic Harriet Harman argument - you don't agree with me because you don't understand.

LadyBlaBlah Tue 16-Nov-10 21:09:50

FFS - the posts were less than a minute apart

Please don't use this to divert away from the argument - what is it they do that is so useful?

KnittingisbetterthanTherapy Tue 16-Nov-10 21:09:57

The figures for comparitive heads of state are pretty clear georgimama so maybe you don't understand grin.

herhonesty Tue 16-Nov-10 21:15:26

if their jobs are what you call hard work then I'll gladly swap for mine.

Georgimama Tue 16-Nov-10 21:17:34

Because of course a pro republican website is an entirely neutral and reliable source of information about comparative costs of political systems.

Your latest cut and paste job came nearly six hours after you pasted the link, and you've already been told what they do that is useful. This isn't an argument about republicanism, by the way (or it wasn't until you tried to dictate so), it's a thread about an engagement.

KateMiddletonsMum Tue 16-Nov-10 21:21:13

Well one feels sorry for the elephant

LeQueen Tue 16-Nov-10 21:21:20

"Prince Philip is technically King consort, isn't he? But men are still known as Prince in that situation but women are known as Queen."

No, he most certainly is not King, consort or otherwise. He is the Prince Consort.

If my memory serves the only woman to marry a King and actually become Queen Regnant was Anne Boleyn. Didn't stop her getting her head cut off 3 years late, though hmm

KnittingisbetterthanTherapy Tue 16-Nov-10 21:21:40

Wow, you're v touchy! The announcement of a royal wedding is bound to spark this kind of debate. Free country isn't it?

And the views of monarchists are neutral and a reliable source of information are they? hmm

Georgimama Tue 16-Nov-10 21:23:56

Only on MN is something as innocuous as an engagement likely to spark this much chippiness, actually.

YaddahYaddahYaddah Tue 16-Nov-10 21:26:13

Oh my god LeQueen you think Kate's going to get her head cut off in 2014!!

Poor girl

Georgimama Tue 16-Nov-10 21:28:45

Anne Boleyn wasn't Queen Regnant. Queen Mary II who was married to William III was joint sovereign with her husband, and Mary's sister Anne succeeded them as Queen Regnant.

droves Tue 16-Nov-10 21:29:10

So .... is Kate middleton an uber-wag then ?

or just a wag ?

wag checklist .

1 )not have real job ,...CHECK
2) not plan to do very much....CHECK
3) become famous on the tailcoats of famous OH ....CHECK
4) wear ridiculously bad ,yet expensive clothing ....CHECK
5) have "big" hair ....CHECK

YES SHES A WAG !

<joke> whats the difference between charles and wills ?

ONES WIFES A NAG AND THE OTHERS A WAG !

pmsl.wink

LadyBlaBlah Tue 16-Nov-10 21:30:55

"something as innocuous as an engagement" - hardly !

It has had special programmes, headline news and comments from the Prime Minister about how it will be great for the country

This is not "just an engagement"

Get real at least.

KateMiddletonsMum Tue 16-Nov-10 21:32:09

I believe the term is RAG.

YaddahYaddahYaddah Tue 16-Nov-10 21:33:35

There were news headlines?

must have missed them...

Kiwichick74 Tue 16-Nov-10 21:33:55

You are just jealous,bitter ladyblablah.

Maisiethemorningsidecat Tue 16-Nov-10 21:35:11

Why would anyone be jealous of the royal family? <shudder>

herhonesty Tue 16-Nov-10 21:36:32

gosh georgimama cant be bothered to argue anymore? threads dont follow rules, they are allowed to go where they go..... bit like conversation in real life, perhaps you dont have many of those?

whatever your viewpoint, its not just an innocuous engagement. the royal family's lives is one big pr excercise aimed at sustaining their existence. The whole thing is another pr stunt, incredibly well planned, immaculately executed, as will the run up to the wedding and the day itself.

As for chippiness, us commoners are allowed different opinions at to the ideal make up of a state.

droves Tue 16-Nov-10 21:43:43

Rag ? ROYAL AND GIRLFRIEND ?

priceless !grin

Bread and Circuses springs to mind. hmm Am fed up with this already. And there will be no getting away from it. Hardly 'just an innocuous engagement' really, with the press coverage it's going to get.

KateMiddletonsMum Tue 16-Nov-10 21:44:48

<< cackles >>

Kiwichick74 Tue 16-Nov-10 21:49:52

Rather this then hearing about X factor every day.

ledkr Spain Tue 16-Nov-10 22:05:25

stop arguing,the best thing to come out of this whole thing is that today on one of the many tv reports i discovered that there is a magazine entitled "majesty" and the editor says Kenya like this..."Keeeeeeenya" now that is worth a royal wedding imo.

Tingry Tue 16-Nov-10 22:14:13

yawn! it'll be a relief when they're married and we don't have to hear about it any more.

chipmonkey Tue 16-Nov-10 22:44:51

Kate is a lovely girl

She would easily win the Rose of Tralee

<<hands tethersend someIrish cheese>>>

DinahRod Tue 16-Nov-10 22:48:45

Ah, you lot are tough nuts. Next year is the Olympics, plus the royal wedding and am looking forward to both.

MmeLindt Tue 16-Nov-10 22:50:04

<pops head into thread>

Oh, all a bit ranty.

You lot need to have a nice cup of tea and calm down.

Look, I have just the right thing for you here

LadyBlaBlah Tue 16-Nov-10 22:56:26

Royalty memorabilia in Asda

<gives up on life right here and now>

Sakura Tue 16-Nov-10 23:01:24

All over the news in Japan.

SHe does rather look like Diana, doesn't she;her eyes, I mean

elliephant Tue 16-Nov-10 23:04:18

theinternetforum.net/royalforum/index.php?topic=36 548.0

According to this they're fifteenth cousins

Chip Monkey, you're right, she'd make a lovely Rose of Tralee grin

Sakura Tue 16-Nov-10 23:06:31

I'm a labour supporter, very left wing.
Dunno, just got a soft spot for the royal family. It's better than the millenium dome and wheel, bankers' bonuses and all the other shite our taxes go on.
I like the fact it's a part of history

MmeLindt Tue 16-Nov-10 23:07:55

Ellie
OMG at that website. How on earth did you find that?

LadyBlaBlah Tue 16-Nov-10 23:08:11

Should be consigned to history

scottishmummy France Tue 16-Nov-10 23:09:22

you need specs she looks nothing like princess di.well apart from horsey and rich

Sakura Tue 16-Nov-10 23:12:09

all in the eyes, look properly next time you see her

polyhymnia Tue 16-Nov-10 23:14:01

She mainly resembles Diana in having heavily applied eyeliner from what I can see. And a blue outfit.

In my book, she has many the attributes of a WAG yet (unlike most/all of them) should have been equipped by her privileged education to hold down some sort of job/ contributed something to others by now.

Someone suggested the rest of us aren't in a position to criticise, but I do think that, if you've used the education you were lucky enough to have received (at least partly funded by taxpayers) to earn a living, you are at least entitled to say you don't agree with those who've chosen to do nothing with it and put nothing back.

EightiesChick Tue 16-Nov-10 23:14:19

DinahRod You're going to have to wait an extra year for the Olympics I'm afraid. I read somewhere that was a factor in the royal wedding behind next year - ie not 2012 to clash with the Olympics in the summer.

scottishmummy France Tue 16-Nov-10 23:14:38

gah.no she got lizardy eyes and a reptilian fiancé

EightiesChick Tue 16-Nov-10 23:16:50

I can't agree with that plyhymania. I would say the education is a good in itself. It may have been useful to her in ways other than earning a living. To say it's got to be applied to a business purpose of some kind is exactly what the Tories want us all to think.

edam Tue 16-Nov-10 23:19:31

As far as I'm concerned, the function of the monarchy is to stop prime ministers getting too big for their boots. Politicians don't get to be head of state round here, which is A Good Thing.

EightiesChick Tue 16-Nov-10 23:20:59

Plus her degree's in history of art. No offence to anyone who has an arts degree of any kind (I do myself) but it hardly suggests she was trained to find a cure for cancer and has selfishly ignored that calling in working as a part-time party planner.

Reminds me as always of my very favourite bit from an otherwise patchy film, Mr and Mrs Smith, when they're revealing their true selves to one another:

Brad: I didn't go to MIT
Ange: You didn't?
Brad: Notre Dame. Art History major.
Ange: Art?
Brad: History. It's reputable.

grin

FortunateHamster Tue 16-Nov-10 23:28:35

I don't mind the royals, am ambivalent about the engagement.

But.

What has she been doing since graduating? What do her and William talk about if she's only been shopping or whatever? As pointed out she almost certainly has a better education than most WAGs and must've aspired to something once upon a time, surely?

edam Tue 16-Nov-10 23:28:45

That'll come in in very handy for someone who is going to live in a palace or three with major art collections.

scottishmummy France Tue 16-Nov-10 23:38:16

wedding will keep all the fawning dullards occupied.bibble babble about
true love
her dress
her beauty
his indefatigably
...blah blah amazing how some can fawn over out moded out dated establishment horahs

Pluto Tue 16-Nov-10 23:42:15

A spring 2011 wedding leaves them time to produce an heir to show off at the Olympics in 2012. Perhaps Great Grandmother will offer to babysit so the new parents can have a night out at the opening ceremony.

KT1324 Tue 16-Nov-10 23:44:15

Lets hope the dont get married on friday 29th july.. 30 years to the day of charles & di..

scottishmummy France Tue 16-Nov-10 23:45:55

and what great role models they were,chuck & di

expatinscotland Tue 16-Nov-10 23:49:56

She doesn't look a thing like Di. At all. He has her colouring, but as he ages, he looks more and more like his father.

scottishmummy France Tue 16-Nov-10 23:54:42

fortunately scotland arent as obsessed as down sarf folk seem to be

expatinscotland Tue 16-Nov-10 23:56:53

Hopefully I'll be out of the country when they tie the knot.

GetOrfMoiLand Tue 16-Nov-10 23:59:48

I just had a look at the Daily Mail.

Christ almighty. Juxtapositions of Kate and Di everywhere.

Daily Mail features ed must have pissed himself with excitement.

Dread to think what the bloody Express will look like.

<plans move to Scotland>

MelinaM Wed 17-Nov-10 00:10:46

AlpinePony 'She's just so fucking dull for a commoner - at least a night out with Chelsey would mean come morning you've got tales galore, your knickers in your pocket an 5 new phone numbers!' Lol, I said nigh on the same thing to my mum ..a far more entertaining girl!!!

NestaFiesta 'William has started to look a bit horsey and boring and Harry just gets hotter! He puts the Ninja into Ginger!' grin I love it! ..where is the ginger darling anyway?!!!

PussinJimmyChoos 'She's got Diana's ring??? Farking hell, I would be nagging her Maj for pick of the family jewels or drag Will to Tiffanys! I wouldn't want a hand me down.... Is she just 'settling' do you think??? I mean waiting for a man for 8 years ...we need Any Fucker to come on and screech she should bin 'im' grin grin grin 'Tis 'farking' hilarious!!!

I'm absolutely loving reading through all these fabulous comments! I agree, the whole thing seems to be a diversion from the cuts and the dire state of this country overall!

Off with their heads I say, Vive La Republic!!!

Sakura Wed 17-Nov-10 00:12:41

I don't know why I think the Royal family is okay, actually, especially the Prince and Princess of Wales because I'm actually Welsh, and they're not actually anything to do with Wales.
In fact they (the bastards English) killed our real prince and locked up his daughter so she could never conceive to ensure the end of the line. Then they appointed their own as head of Wales

<bitter>

Cadpat Wed 17-Nov-10 00:14:02

LOL, we chose the 29th of July 2006 as our wedding date. On the day of my wedding, I heard the radio blathering on about how this would have been C and D's 25th wedding anniversary etc. I swear I would have chosen another day if I'd known... and my engagement ring is a sapphire with diamonds too blush...

As many people have said, as long as I don't have to pay for the wedding, good luck to them!! If I pay, then the least I expect is an effing invitation to the wedding!

expatinscotland Wed 17-Nov-10 00:14:25

I don't know why, either, Sakura. Your left-wing credentials are circling the bowl, IMO .

Sakura Wed 17-Nov-10 00:17:10

I know, I started to get worried when last night I posted on that poncey Christmas thread

expatinscotland Wed 17-Nov-10 00:19:04

Next thing you know you'll be organising a street party for the wedding.

Sakura Wed 17-Nov-10 00:19:54

Or a tour for the Japanese tourists

polyhymnia Wed 17-Nov-10 00:37:59

Eightieschick - perhaps I expressed myself badly - I'm the very last one to say an education doesn't have its own value and rewards. (After all, am now doing a PhD in an Arts subject. But I do also think that, once you have received it, it's better to support yourself by going out and doing a job (if it's possible to find one - presumably that's not a problem for KM, though). Most importantly, for your own independence and fulfilment, but also to pay back something in taxes, contributions, etc.

Btw, I'm not entering the 'working mums' debate here - have no desire to do that - just commenting on someone with no commitments who seems to have chosen to do no work except a bit of dabbling.

BaggedandTagged Wed 17-Nov-10 01:01:17

To those of you asking why William isnt marrying someone more urbane, career motivated etc, arent you all rather missing the point that it's unlikely that someone with those qualities would want to marry into the royal family?

It's easy to criticise but I wonder how many of us would be quite so career motivated if money were no object? Her family is very wealthy and she's clearly been on a promise for some time.

liinyo Wed 17-Nov-10 01:01:45

Good uni? I dunno - posh dating agency more like. And 'History of Art'?, I'm sure it was a rewarding topic to study, but not much of a preparation for a career.

On the other hand - they seem like a lovley young couple. I wish them every happiness, and I hope we get a day off.

PS Nice gesture with the ring - Sentimental AND frugal. Full marks William x

Sakura Wed 17-Nov-10 01:10:39

BaggedandTagged,
women work for the independence and self-satisfaction it brings, not just the money.

I married into a "clan" . MIL seems to be under some illusion that she is royalty. She reckons I've married up hmm , when if anything I've married down. But it doesn't matter. THe point is that women need to bring something of themselves and of their own to a marriage, or they're going to suffer. Diana did.

Beavermum Wed 17-Nov-10 01:17:11

Is it me or is her outfit just a bit too like Diana's and that ring is ugly

Rachyandmeg Wed 17-Nov-10 03:54:42

Does anybody on here no kate middleton personally? IF not how do you know what job she has been doing? She says working in the family company, what's wrong with that? She is helping the family prosper! She might be doing 12 hour days who knows ! Also why should she be judged on working or not working its upto her . Lots of green eyed monsters on here!

chefswife Wed 17-Nov-10 04:13:42

I believe her 'job' will be some sort of philanthropy. Diana didn't do much 'teaching' after she was married.

"And 'History of Art'?, I'm sure it was a rewarding topic to study, but not much of a preparation for a career."... I'm dumbfounded by the utter ignorance of this statement, just in general.

Bunbaker Wed 17-Nov-10 06:59:03

I have given up reading all the nasty, vitriolic posts on here. Why do so many of you feel the need to be so bitchy about someone you don't know personally.
I am assuming that you are all: beautiful, have great careers and dress well.

Chip on the shoulder? Envy?

Good luck to them I say, and I hope the marriage is happier than his parents.

diddl Germany Wed 17-Nov-10 07:44:09

I can´t decide about the ring.

I actually think I find it a bit creepy.

If the reports are correct he didn´t want his mum to "miss out".

Also the ring is special to him & so is Kate so they should "be together".

Vomit inducing for me, sorry.

piscesmoon Wed 17-Nov-10 07:50:20

I am so glad that I am not in the public eye to be chewed over and spat out! She seems an ordinary, fairly unremarkable woman to me. They have lived together so know each other and have realistic expectations so it will most probably work. Good luck to them. I don't think that the fact that the general opinion in MN is against them is going to cause them sleepless nights-bearing in mind that the majority haven't even made a comment!

phipps Wed 17-Nov-10 07:53:31

I think the people moaning about the tax payers paying for the wedding would have a point if it meant schools, hospitals, the firemen, etc didn't get the budget they would have done without a wedding.

RunawayChristmasTree Wed 17-Nov-10 08:01:23

Rather my taxes paid for this then some of the old shite they get spent on

piscesmoon Wed 17-Nov-10 08:02:47

You can't tell me that if there wasn't a wedding the schools etc would get the money!
It would be nice if they said instead of a wedding we want the money that would be used sent to the schools but it never works like that!

RunawayChristmasTree Wed 17-Nov-10 08:08:11

How times have changed, Charles and Diana's wedding brought people together and I remember the street parties.

Trouble now is so many people are anti English, anti royal family and anti anything nice, I would hate to have such a sad empty worthless little life that all I could do was be mean about two people getting married

TankFlyBossWalk Wed 17-Nov-10 08:38:03

"Anti anything nice". Yeah, everyone hates anything 'nice'. Don't be so stupid and ridiculous, Runaway.

They're a pair of weirdos (anyone who kills wildlife for fun is more than weird) and I wish to god that they're ugly mugs would disappear from the news.

TankFlyBossWalk Wed 17-Nov-10 08:38:30

Sorry, I meant "Their ugly mugs".

TankFlyBossWalk Wed 17-Nov-10 08:40:32

It's not just "two people getting married" either. It's the British public having to foot the bill for two weirdos to have a lavish, ultra-expensive wedding.

Yeah, what's not to like?

Phipps, but where is the money going to come from? It's hardly as if there's been a secret kitty stashed away against a possible Royal wedding. It has to come from somewhere and it will have to have an impact on services elsewhere.

Am not getting the comments that we who object to this malarkey generally are 'envious' or 'chippy'. hmm Um no, just politically opposed to an out-moded system and resent paying for it. KM is extremely pretty and (I presume) very much richer than I am, even before the engagement. So? I don't care - good for her. So are loads of other people and I'm not chippy about them either. I just don't approve of the monarchy.

BoffinMum Wed 17-Nov-10 09:04:45

I am not anti-Royal but I don't think there's any reason at all why collectively we should foot the bill for anything other than the security aspect. Seriously.

expatinscotland Wed 17-Nov-10 09:06:56

'Trouble now is so many people are anti English, anti royal family and anti anything nice,'

As much as the royal family is anti-Catholic? In the not-too-distant past, this family had a distinctly anti-Allied Nazi streak in it, too.

Ryoko Wed 17-Nov-10 09:11:25

I wouldn't have a problem with the Royals if they worked for a living or signed on like the rest of us.

is he paying for the wedding or am I to pay for that as well, simply because he was born into a family of blue blooded inbred germans.

RunawayChristmasTree Wed 17-Nov-10 09:27:31

I would rather my tax paid for this them to keep some fat lazy mother of 10 by x amount of dads on the social

TankFlyBossWalk Wed 17-Nov-10 09:34:18

Yeah, Runaway and all those immigrants.

I'm glad you're on this thread. You really are incredibly stupid it's funny to read your 'thoughts'.

mamatomany Wed 17-Nov-10 09:34:18

I'd rather keep neither of them if i'm honest, i don't want to support anyone.

Deliaskis Wed 17-Nov-10 09:34:23

Agree with Bunbaker to a large extent, so far, Kate Middleton has been criticised, on the occasion of her engagement, for:

- being dull, when nobody actually knows her (I presume), or has even heard her speak until yesterday, and she has studiously avoided the media spotlight and conducted her relationship very discreetly, so I'm not sure how anybody here has a clue whether she is dull or not

- not dressing in a mn approved style, when she hasn't even been photographed that much, and when she has, has been dressing in a very 'normal' way. Not sure what people would rather she wear, or even why we are judging someone on their clothes or looks anyway, not very mn-esque is it...

- not doing anything with her life after uni, and being a 'WAG' type, when she has been working in her parents business for a number of years, and again, I assume nobody here has any idea what hours she works etc.

- having a grand and lavish wedding, when again, we have no idea what kind of wedding they are planning, maybe even they don't at the moment.

Whatever you think about whether we should have a royal family, and how they should/shouldn't be funded, none of the above would be acceptable here if this was any other bride to be. We simply don't know anything about her and to criticise someone when we have hardly any of the facts takes a perculiar kind of arrogance I think.

What a lovely message from the mn community - 'we don't know anything about you, but we're going to make a bunch of ridiculous and unfounded assumptions and use them to slag you off anyway'. Nice.

D

TankFlyBossWalk Wed 17-Nov-10 09:38:14

We wouldn't be paying for it if it was any other wedding. Any other bride to be wouldn't be plastered all over the news either.

I'm sure there must be something important going on in the world, but who knows because it's just those two weirdos all over the press.

TankFlyBossWalk Wed 17-Nov-10 09:39:34

We also do know things about them. They both hunt, she wears fur and we subsidise their lavish lives. They are a disgrace.

melikalikimaka Wed 17-Nov-10 09:40:04

She definitely has the X factor when she smiles.

I think he probably though I'd better do it before I go bald.
Good luck to them, I say.grin
I can feel it in my waters, it will be May.

Willabywallaby Wed 17-Nov-10 09:47:05

I've seen her face in the 1st birthday party online order catalogue thingie. My impression of her was how posh she sounds, but then to fit in she has to be posh.

They seemed very happy and good luck to them both.

Nancy66 Wed 17-Nov-10 09:51:25

I bet it's not a public holiday.

I think a lot of businesses will be up in arms at the thought of having to pay people for a non production day.

sieglinde Wed 17-Nov-10 09:51:28

Oh, FFs. I can hardly believe the defences posted here. Loki, let's get it clear, then. I know little about either of them and care less. What I do care about is that the bill for their wedding and their utterly feckless lifestyle will land on my doormat. Will IDS come round and ask the new princess to pick up rubbish because she's never had a job and needs to understand the world of work? No, but she'll go on collecting from the taxpayer all the same, and I'm sorry, but I bet the nation WASN'T brought together by that farce in 1981. There was no Internet then and people had nowhere to voice their dismay or boredom or nausea.

sieglinde Wed 17-Nov-10 09:52:46

I kinda like Loki for Look. Bleeding smart software. Apologies.

FindingMyMojo Wed 17-Nov-10 09:56:37

I would rather by Cameron AND Osborne a drink before contributing a penny towards this wedding - and that is really saying something!!

If one of the richest families in the land needs a contribution from outside themselves to pay for the wedding, let the newspapers pay them. Er HELLO?!?!?!!

Willabywallaby Wed 17-Nov-10 10:00:19

But they will bring in the tourists even if the locals don't care.

RunawayChristmasTree Wed 17-Nov-10 10:02:55

This is a young man who lost his mother at a young age and has worked for his country, has trained in the armed forces and has had to live his life with ever present media attention.

I think it is quite vile that people are so nasty about him and his future wife.
When push comes to shove it matters not a bit to anyone here, it will not take anything from you, it will not effect your well being you will not get a special invoice to pay anything towards the wedding.

Really I do not see what the whole big deal of having a go about it is, they will get married, they will do whatever it is they do and it will effect no one here at all

Ryoko Wed 17-Nov-10 10:06:25

Frankly I'd rather buy Hitler a drink and I'm of Anglo-Aramaic decent.

I know nothing or the woman and I don't care, the only aspect of the royals I have even the remotest interest in, is when the hell are they going to publicly admit that the other one is Hewitt's kid they could at least stop giving him our money seeing as he isn't even related to Charles.
Lucky him not being an inbred but getting paid and treated like one thats got to be the best gig in the world, right there.

HRHCavey Wed 17-Nov-10 10:16:10

Yes, being an RAF Search and Rescue pilot is very "feckless" hmm

Nancy66 Wed 17-Nov-10 10:16:14

Ryoko - Harry is not Hewitt's kid. Juicy rumour but not true.

For all the dissenters, the fact is that the majority of the population (especially the people with a lot less money than the average MNetter) will be looking forward to this wedding.

To start saying 'I'd rather buy a round of drinks for genocidal maniacs' is stupid.

Whenever there are heated debates with a political slant on this forum, I always get the feeling that a large number of posters say the things they do to be part of a cliquey little club.....before they head off to Bikram yoga in the 4 x 4.

RunawayChristmasTree Wed 17-Nov-10 10:20:55

My word some of you are vile and stupid

RunawayChristmasTree Wed 17-Nov-10 10:24:26

Wonder if while you're getting drinks for Hitler you might like to get some in for the 7/7 bombers, the folks that flew planes in to the towers and all the pedophile's in the world hmm so bloody stupid

RunawayChristmasTree Wed 17-Nov-10 10:26:12

For all the dissenters, the fact is that the majority of the population (especially the people with a lot less money than the average MNetter) will be looking forward to this wedding.

So how much money does the average mums netter have then?
Also are you implying that if you have a low income then your a bit thick so will like a royal wedding?

BeenBeta Wed 17-Nov-10 10:29:17

I agree with Bunbaker as well.

Yesterday I thought quite a lot about how me and DW felt when we got engaged. We met at University and then had a period living together. DW even has a saphire ring.

These are two young people embarking on the most important and riskiest decision of their live in the full glare of the world media. I just think we should wish them all the best and yes I will be glued to the TV on the wedidng daylike most everyone else.

I do though hope we dont have wall-to-wall Royal Wedding coverage every day up until then.

diddl Germany Wed 17-Nov-10 10:30:42

"and has had to live his life with ever present media attention."

Actually I disagree with that.

I think he´s led quite a private life.

Deliaskis Wed 17-Nov-10 10:34:01

Quite HRHCavey, RAF search and rescue pilot is hardly feckless, and even when these people are not 'working' has anybody seen some of the schedules they have? Lazy and idle they are not. HRH Sophie whatever her name is, is patron of oodles of different organisations, and it is through her work with those that I met her, and really, she visited our town, spoke intelligently and eloquently on the issue we were there for (opportunities for girls and young women), was very well researched and really knew her stuff. She was with us for about 90 minutes, busy and on her feet the whole time, and then was whisked off to three other engagements the same afternoon, with literally barely time to have a pee and a sandwich.

Yes they are paid for by the public purse, as are many many many other people, but lazy and feckless they are not.

I completely understand that some people would prefer not to have a monarchy, and completely respect that view, but the vitriol on here is something else.

D

MooMooFarm Wed 17-Nov-10 10:36:49

I am about as interested and as happy for them as I would be for any other engaged couple who I do not know and will never meet....

KnittingisbetterthanTherapy Wed 17-Nov-10 10:41:45

Runaway, of course we'll pay for the wedding - who the bloody hell else do you think will pay for it?

Trillian Wed 17-Nov-10 10:45:26

Some people on here are vile.

There are so many people on Mnet who we do not know but when they say they are getting married, having/had a baby of lost a love one we all make the right noises even though most of the time no one really gives a fuck!

A strange who is a name on a talk board has lost a parent, child, spouse, you say sorry for your loss and get on with your day it means nothing and effects no one, and really no one cares but out of decency you offer condolences.

Someone posts that they are getting married we all say how lovely, and no one really gives a toss really as it effects no one.

RunawayChristmasTree Wed 17-Nov-10 10:47:45

Yes the tax payer will pay for it but out of taxes we would be paying anyway, they are not going to send everyone a separate bill on top of what is paid already

Ryoko Wed 17-Nov-10 10:49:29

He is a Hewitt look at him, look at his picture side by side with Hewitt it's obvious for all but the most blinkered of royalists to see.

RunawayChristmasTree Wed 17-Nov-10 10:56:19

Do you not think that maybe the royals have had a DNA test on him???
I would lay money on it.

I love people who buy in to conspiracy rubbish

diddl Germany Wed 17-Nov-10 10:58:08

I didn´t think she had an affair with Hewitt until a few years after Harry was born.

RunawayChristmasTree Wed 17-Nov-10 11:01:58

I guess you also think she was murdered by Prince Philip cause she was seeing a Muslim as well then

expatinscotland Wed 17-Nov-10 11:21:08

RunawayTree you are highly amusing.

phipps Wed 17-Nov-10 11:24:17

My Nana would have enjoyed all the royal wedding build up sad. I am happy for them in that I am happy for anyone who is in love but it makes me sad that she isn't here to see it.sad. Miss you Nana.

nativityplayreject Wed 17-Nov-10 11:24:55

Ryoko,

Tosh, look at his eyes, they are pure Prince Charles. I did entertain the possibility of Hewitt until Harry matured and then the eyes started to look a lot like his Dad, ignore his colouring it's a red (ha ha) herring.

BarbaraMillicentRoberts Wed 17-Nov-10 11:27:53

I just hope they don't pick the same date as my wedding!!

Harry isn't Hewitts, he looks like Diana's brother I think.

SoupDragon Wed 17-Nov-10 11:32:55

Personally, I'd rather pay for a wedding than a visit by the pope.

stillfeel18inside Wed 17-Nov-10 11:39:13

Let's give Kate a chance! She's just a product of her upbringing at the end of the day, as we are all a product of ours. Now she'll have access to the best stylists, maybe she'll even throw away some of those wrap dresses! She's probably a perfectly nice person and she'll probably do lots of good stuff for charity. Is everyone on here really doing something so valuable with their lives?? (apart from typing endless vitriol to complete strangers of course!)

Ryoko Wed 17-Nov-10 11:44:58
BusyBella Wed 17-Nov-10 12:01:34

Hi, did anyone get married at the same time as Charles and Diana or know anyone that did?

BusyBella Wed 17-Nov-10 12:06:28

It was 29th July 1981 I should say!

diddl Germany Wed 17-Nov-10 12:12:31

No, but if W&K choose 8th July, that´s my WA.

Perhaps I can wangle an invitationgrin

BarbaraMillicentRoberts Wed 17-Nov-10 12:14:46

It's my birthday diddl smile

We can go together grin

diddl Germany Wed 17-Nov-10 12:16:14

Sounds greatgrin

Sakura Wed 17-Nov-10 12:17:27

Harry is so Hewitt's child. The similarities in the face are so similar it's actually hilarious. Both ginger, both...just got the same face, really.

Rococorita Wed 17-Nov-10 12:18:10

First Sam bloody Cam now Princess Kate Middleton will be thrust endlessly in our faces as 'style icons'.

Expect sales of M&S Limited Collection belted shift dresses to soar.

Snore!

Nancy66 Wed 17-Nov-10 12:18:29

Harry looks just like Prince Phillip

diddl Germany Wed 17-Nov-10 12:20:39

Diana & Fergie both married in July didn´t they?

So maybe they´ll avoid that month!

Longstocking2 Wed 17-Nov-10 12:25:14

I think it's such a poisoned chalice that job, hard to be happy in the public eye but whatever.

I still think we should downsize the Royals and cut back on the Queen's enormous tax breaks.

I'd go Danish, me. Have them on bicycles and definitely give her art collection to the nation. It's not as if she appreciates it!

BarbaraMillicentRoberts Wed 17-Nov-10 12:25:21

There is another Royal Wedding in July too I believe.

Unrulysun Wed 17-Nov-10 12:28:50

Does anyone know what time the revolution is starting? Just sharpening my axe and I'll need to change at Clapham Junction and Victoria will be busy so I'll have to leave in plenty of time and dd will need a bath and probably some spiky armour of some description so I'll have to pick that up on the way...

We are having a revolution aren't we?

Nancy66 Wed 17-Nov-10 12:29:55

Revolution? After Pilates and on en route to the cup cake shop I should think....

How did that child benefit march pan out BTW?

herhonesty Wed 17-Nov-10 12:44:07

ref degree this is going to sound bitchy BUT it is true. when i was at edinburgh it was commonly known that if you werent that intelligent but needed to go to university (to get passport into PR/marriage) then endinburgh history of art was preferred route for gals of that ilk, and if you couldnt get the grades then st andrews was a happy compromise. the degree was well known for its (ahem) lesser challenging aspects.

that said i am sure KM is far more intelligent than perhaps some are given credit for. she snared a king! that takes some planning.

herhonesty Wed 17-Nov-10 12:44:49

sorry, should have written "less challenging aspects"

KnittingisbetterthanTherapy Wed 17-Nov-10 12:49:12

I remember Jeremy Hardy describing History of Art as "putting paintings in chronological order"! grin

freefruit Wed 17-Nov-10 12:50:56

Boring boring
someone told me somewhere can't remember when that this is what her Mother has been angling for for years

I'd much rather he married into minor European royalty I think the Sweedish princesses are pretty (but I think he's missed his chance!)

freefruit Wed 17-Nov-10 12:52:16

PMSL at HOA
I to have heard that it's what those not up to a degree are encouraged to switch to

gingercat12 Wed 17-Nov-10 12:55:16

I do not really care much for the royals, but if we get a day off, could it be in the autumn, please. There are no bank holidays from August to Christmas.

EightiesChick Wed 17-Nov-10 13:14:14

I'd bet on it that it WON't be in July, certainly.

Some of the comments here astonish me, in contrast to the 'ooh you nasty judgy person' stuff that comes up when anyone dares criticise someone's parenting. Apparently not looking after your kids properly is fine and a matter of personal choice, 'we don't know the circumstances' etc, but someone not having had a stellar career makes them worse than Hitler! Amazing set of collective value judgements - not something for MN to shout about, I feel.

HRHCavey Wed 17-Nov-10 13:23:32

If the wedding is in June it can only be the 2nd weekend as Granny has prior commitments that she never misses:

1st weekend in June is Epsom Derby

3rd weekend in June is the end of Royal Ascot

4th weekend in June (this year) is Prince Philip's 90th.

Unrulysun Wed 17-Nov-10 13:25:35

I would imagine that cup cakes will be a central tenet of the struggle.

This makes things rather difficult chez unruly as I was going to make this the inaugural year of the unruly street street party (iykwim) but now there's the danger that bunting will be misunderstood as a gesture of gawdblessemness. Can't have that - will William's severed head detract from homemade scones I wonder?

rubyrubyruby Wed 17-Nov-10 13:30:52

They are normally mid-week these 'do's' aren't they?

Nancy66 Wed 17-Nov-10 13:33:31

royal weddings are usually weekdays and usually not in the midst of holiday season.

swanandduck Wed 17-Nov-10 13:35:38

I agree that a big royal expensive wedding is the last thing we need in the present economic climate. Also don't need saturation coverage of Kate's clothes, Kate's family, Kate's wedding dress etc etc when there are far more important things going on.

Otherwise, let them on with it. I think comments about Kate being dull or looking like a horse or 'just settling' are nasty.

Ryoko Wed 17-Nov-10 13:42:27

You all need to buy games consoles, should this madness dominate the news (it's not news), you can spend the time shooting people in the face, believe me it never gets old. Thats all I do all day, only things I watch on TV is Top Gear, Two and a half men and the Apprentice.

Hence the reason I was surprised at all this, I thought the Daily Mash where having a joke not a slight dig at an actual event when I read that the other day.

Lovecat Wed 17-Nov-10 13:51:47

As long as it isn't on the 6th July, as I'm going to see Take That at Wembley (priorities).

DD informed me last night that we must go to the church next year and see the Princess in her dress get married to the Prince. AIBU to ban Disney from the house forthwith?

Rachyandmeg Wed 17-Nov-10 13:56:35

Jealousy - admit it your blooming jealous! U can't help yourselves! Why don't u get better jobs then maybe u won't feel so jealous! Be nicer people and get some work done the maybe you can have a happy life like wills and kate xx

rubyrubyruby Wed 17-Nov-10 13:58:27

Kate?

- is that you?

CommanderDrool Wed 17-Nov-10 14:01:56

It's like the 80's all over again.

MardyBra Wed 17-Nov-10 14:10:51

I wonder whether they are really in love - particularly from William's side.

It must be a nightmare for William to find someone who truly loves him for his own personal qualities without being sidetracked by the prospect of being a future Queen of England (whether the girl relished that or not). The fact that it has taken SOOO long to get engaged and that he finished with her for a bit doesn't bode that well imo.

My guess is that he plumped for the safe option of a fairly nice girl, who has "done her time" and remained loyal and discreet, but he may not truly be passionate about. The other less palatable alternative would be to let himself loose on the dating market and expose himself to all the wannabe queens out there.

I feel a bit sorry for him really. I just hope she isn't being used as a brood mare by the royal family like Diana was.

strandedatseasonsgreetings Wed 17-Nov-10 14:14:40

Prince Phillip is turning 90? They obviously decided to have the wedding pdq before he popped his clogs. Looking forward to his speech....

Actually I still feel that I don't care too much about the wedding, wish them well etc, but it's the coverage around it that I hate. As I said a LOT lower down this thread, so happy not to be in the UK at the moment and have to put up with the minute by minute "as it happened" scraping the bottle of the barrel let's interview another Lady Haw Haw royal watcher CRAP.

madmissy Wed 17-Nov-10 14:15:54

I'm excited! Who will get to design the dress I wonder!

strandedatseasonsgreetings Wed 17-Nov-10 14:16:36

lovecat no just give into it, Dd2 wants to be Cinderella when she grows up. She'll grow out of it (hopeful emoticon)

MelinaM Wed 17-Nov-10 14:18:54

unrulysunDoes anyone know what time the revolution is starting? Just sharpening my axe and I'll need to change at Clapham Junction and Victoria will be busy so I'll have to leave in plenty of time and dd will need a bath and probably some spiky armour of some description so I'll have to pick that up on the way...

We are having a revolution aren't we?

Lovely! I'll meet you at Victoria then?!grin

diddl Germany Wed 17-Nov-10 15:17:04

MardyBra

Maybe that´s why it took so long.

He wanted to know how determined her mother was for her to be Queen if she really loved him.

KittyFoyle Wed 17-Nov-10 15:20:28

MARDYBRA - DH and I were together for 10 years before we got engaged. So were my mum and dad. Both very happy marriages and real long lasting love. We had horrendous rows at one point before we were engaged - and nearly split but am so glad we never did. They were very young when they met - and marrying into the Royal Family must be incredibly weird no matter how much in love you are. It would take me a while to embrace that one.

KittyFoyle Wed 17-Nov-10 15:24:03

I though Harry was a little Hewitt too but he is looking more and more like his mad old grandad and seems to have a similar sense of humour. 'Have you heard the one about the Nazi, the rag head and the slitty eyed git?' The long winter evenings fly by at Balmoral.

BusyBella Wed 17-Nov-10 15:27:26

What's the other Royal wedding?

yousaidit Wed 17-Nov-10 15:48:50

I quite liked her dress, and the ring. blush

I've never looked that dressed up, even on my wedding day blush

KittyFoyle Wed 17-Nov-10 16:03:14

MardyBra - they are already training bluebirds and squirrels to lift her veil and Sir Elton is giving them singing lessons. Embrace it. There is no escape.

jugglingjo Wed 17-Nov-10 17:16:30

Have become obsessed with watching the news of the engagement.
I couldn't say why !
Was fond of Diana though, and feel Kate could do a good job of following in her footsteps with charity and international work.

Not sure Will's done the right thing regarding the ring. Maybe she might have liked one of her own. Even though it is traditional, and I wear my grandmother's ring. I feel this one may have a lot of baggage - it's certainly heavy enough !

If he was carrying it around for 3 weeks and produced it as he proposed she could hardly say anything could she ?
I agree though that with the same ring, posture, and similar blue dress, they did look a bit too much like C&D !

Thought they did well showing some affection in front of the cameras, but I'd like to see them looking at each other more, laughing more, and generally being less nervous and more relaxed. There's nothing to worry about guys ! Be yourselves !

Can't wait for the big day !
Betting it will be 6th Aug at St.Paul's !

MardyBra Wed 17-Nov-10 17:32:51

grin at kitty. You've been watching too much Enchanted haven't you.

jugglingjo - what made me go hmm was the fact that William carried the ring around in his rucksack for 3 weeks. a) what if he'd lost it and b) what's he doing with a rucksack. He was hardly backpacking!

BendyBob Wed 17-Nov-10 17:38:54

She's def a fab looking young woman though no two ways about it.

It is very odd the comparisons that keep being made to Diana and Charles. Then using the same ring - it's throwing me a bit. I remember the Diana engagement very clearly. It's making me feel sooooo OLDhmm Good luck to them though. William seems much more part of the real world than Charles will ever be so that's a hopeful start.

I wish we could bypass Charles and Camilla and go straight to William when the time comes.

jugglingjo Wed 17-Nov-10 17:39:27

Hi MardyBra

- That's how he described it in the interview !

The loose women were sceptical at lunch time too !

I guess he's just trying to sound more normal to the rest of us !

Really it was dragged around the Kenyan grasslands ( due to it's massive weight and many carets ) by large security officers under armed guard, until an opportune moment should arise !

KittyFoyle Wed 17-Nov-10 17:39:48

Juggling Jo - my DH did the same. His mum was dying and he told her before we went on holiday that he was going to propose and she said she wondered if I'd accept a family ring which I found an enormously touching gesture of family affection and approval. He carried two rings of his late grandmother around and presented me with one (very like a small one of Diana's). As it happened I preferred the other one and that is what I wear. My wedding ring is my mum's - she died in the same year as MIL. Wearing those rings means more to me than any new one ever could have done. He was terrified he'd lose the rings but also afraid he would miss 'the moment' if he didn't have them with him. I thought that his regard for his family was a good omen fo the one we hoped to have. Now he is a father of 3, I know I was right.

jugglingjo Wed 17-Nov-10 17:52:31

Hi KittyFoyle,

Thanks for sharing your experience.
I like wearing my grandmother's ring, especially as it's an emerald and I have her green eyes. (Even though it did let my partner off the hook of finding me a ring by himself !)

I just hope it's a similarly positive experience for Kate.I'm sure the sentiment from Will is a good one. And she does have blue eyes I think ?

lushlady Wed 17-Nov-10 18:47:45

It's nice and all that but its gonna be weddings, weddings for months now. Guess it beats reading about the economy!

Bunbaker Wed 17-Nov-10 20:23:01

TankFlyBossWalk
"Anti anything nice". Yeah, everyone hates anything 'nice'. Don't be so stupid and ridiculous, Runaway.

They're a pair of weirdos (anyone who kills wildlife for fun is more than weird) and I wish to god that they're ugly mugs would disappear from the news."

Nasty, vitriloic comments like this are quite uncalled for. What did any of the royal family ever do to you personally for you to be so bitter? I know loads of people who are anti the royal family, but they don't spout venomous ridiculous nonsense the way you do. Are you always so full of hate?

What happened to live and let live?

jugglingjo Wed 17-Nov-10 20:24:48

Back to the ring -

Maybe he could have given her the record breaking pink diamond ?

It would only set him ( and us !)back £46 million ! (wink)

jugglingjo Wed 17-Nov-10 20:25:52

wink

Asteria Wed 17-Nov-10 20:28:55

I'm really dissappointed how so many seemingly educated women (that's us MNers) can be so disgustingly narrow minded and at times just outright disgusting: "was non plussed when princess big nose died.another vapid royal bit the dust few more to go"
I actually feel sick that anyone can even joke about the life of another human like that.
Besides the Royal Family cost us just over 60p each a YEAR so I don't think that making a huge fuss about how much we fund them is really relevant.

scottishmummy France Wed 17-Nov-10 20:31:02

save your ire for something that really matters.rather faux than moral indignation that we all dont fawn over royals

Asteria Wed 17-Nov-10 20:32:34

fauning is not necessary - I certainly won't faun - but a basic respect for a person's life is always nice

scottishmummy France Wed 17-Nov-10 20:37:27

royalty institution and individuals royals are an abomination.costly,outmoded,amoral and i dont consider myself a subject - i am a citizen

KnittingisbetterthanTherapy Wed 17-Nov-10 20:42:42

Asteria, the 60p a year figure is from Buck House and is hugely disputed (it does not include a lot of the costs to us from the Royals like security) and even if that was the case - 60p a year for ONE FAMILY! [SHOCK]

It's not exactly a small sum hmm.

Asteria Wed 17-Nov-10 20:45:31

I stand corrected on the 60p thing then - but I'm sure that we pay a helluva lot more each year in our taxes for far more pointless/controversial things in this country!

KnittingisbetterthanTherapy Wed 17-Nov-10 20:47:25

Two wrongs don't make a right though Asteria smile.

<starts making list of all the pointless things we could get rid of> wink

scottishmummy France Wed 17-Nov-10 20:48:17

it is unnecessary to pay for royals and associated hangers on-princess eugenie,beatrice and princess michael

dysfunctional,undemocratic freeloaders

slim22 Thu 18-Nov-10 09:06:32

Am watching this from afar from an ex-colony and all I have to say is rejoice you sad sad islanders!
2 people in love, delusional enough to want to marry when all the odds are against them:
- school sweethearts: check: acrimonious divorce by 40
- dysfunctional family: check
- class gap: check
- media pressure: check
- the doomed ring on her finger.....that alone should make them shudder
Not to mention you buggers grin

sieglinde Thu 18-Nov-10 09:06:43

I think the royalty fans are confusing two issues. I haven't said a bad or personal word about Miss Middleton or her fiancé but even if I admired them personally I would still be against the taxpayer funding even part of the cost of their wedding, the wedding of the son of one of the richest people in the country. I might not object at all to a democratised monarchy. But I do object to funding a celebstyle wedding. And before anyone says it, let's remember that the Jubilee china didn't sell; why will this be different? As for the notion that the Royals work hard, come on. Do they work six to seven days a week? How many days holiday do they take? Because anyone earning a six-figure salary will be working that hard.

BoffinMum Thu 18-Nov-10 09:29:01

TBH I don't think most of the critical bunch here on MN realise what lazy and feckless royals would look like. You'd have to go back to pre-Queen Victoria to really plumb the depths, and you'd probably see some eye watering bad behaviour. This lot are pretty clued up (although too many people behind the scenes still tell them what they want to hear far too often, IMO, and that letter Charles wrote with regard to redevelopment of the barracks made me absolutely cringe in its obvious assumption of and desire for unelected influence).

Maisiethemorningsidecat Thu 18-Nov-10 09:59:22

This lot are clued up insofar as they know what they can get away atm - but that will all change radically over the next 50 years. Queen Vicky and her predecessors got away with what they did given the context that society operated in at that time - advances in thinking and attitudes forces them to change, and it will be the same with this lot.

What will be harder to change (and indeed I'm not sure if it ever will) is the obsession with rank amongst some levels of society. I remember being introduced (in hushed, almost reverential tones) to a Prussian princess hmm once - I almost choked on my drink laughing, yet there were people there who were in absolute awe, and it will be the same with the rest of the royals, regardless of whether or not they are publicly funded.

BoffinMum Thu 18-Nov-10 10:12:57

Thing is, many people get little perks from being associated with the royals, and it can be quite cool at times. Like being associated with any major upmarket sleb.

But a modern monarchy would send its children to state schools more often, be seen in NHS hospitals within reason, go out and about food shopping and the like a bit more, and generally scale down its Edwardian lifestyle.

IMVHO. Ma'am.

Maisiethemorningsidecat Thu 18-Nov-10 10:51:25

I think it's more than a 'little perk' - there are many for whom mixing in the 'right' social circles and knowing the 'right' people is terribly important, and if you can be seen to associate with royalty then you've achieved the ultimate accolade.

I'd love to see a modernised monarchy (if we absolutely have to keep them) - and whilst we're at it, could we do away with the whole stupid duke/count/earl thing please? Who bloody cares?

BoffinMum Thu 18-Nov-10 11:15:40

I don't care what title people have as long as they don't keep pratting about being boring about it and thinking it gives them carte blanche to be arseholes.

Maisiethemorningsidecat Thu 18-Nov-10 11:23:41

Sadly think there's too much arseholing - and too much expectation of preferential treatment.

Vive la revolution!

taffetacat Thu 18-Nov-10 11:36:22

LOL Emma Bridgewater have William and Kate mugs, with the date of the announcement. Mine and DH's wedding anniversary. hmm

rhannahr Thu 18-Nov-10 13:21:01

So...who wants to be a princess, anyway? I'm torn between thinking it would be awesome and thinking that it would just make me more inspired to pursue a career outside the home than EVER before...

cedarcottage Thu 18-Nov-10 14:01:02

I'd rather help pay for a Royal wedding that will bring some money into our economy than the money wasted on Holyrood and the Welsh Assembly.smile

Maisiethemorningsidecat Thu 18-Nov-10 14:05:58

Ah, but at least these were elected wastes of money wink

anotherpointofview Thu 18-Nov-10 14:14:01

I'm not English but I thought the news of the engagement was wonderful, great to hear good news these days, and thought maybe we (Ireland) could do with a royal family to cheer us up like that. I think Kate seems to be a really lovely girl, she has behaved impeccably for 8 long years which in this age of mobile phone cameras etc can't have been easy. I have to admire how she has behaved and dressed. I also thought they came accross very well on the Sky interview and William certainly looked after her. Re the ring, well I thought that was extra special his mothers ring is priceless emotionally and financially, and I'm sure she will wear it with pride. I think her parents have every right to feel very proud, although I cant even imagine the pressure of being mother of the bride at that wedding! It must be really hard to have your dd exposed to so many comments by people who don't know her and unfortunately her whole family will be under constant scrutiny from now on, I don't envy them. In relation to her working, I really don't see how it would have been possible for her to hold down a 'proper job' over the last few years with the media interest in her, and in fairness if your parents could offer you employment wouldn't you take it? I think England should be proud of Kate, she reminds me of Queen Rania (sp) of Jordan. I hope they continue to look after each other and be true to each other.

Maisiethemorningsidecat Thu 18-Nov-10 14:16:14

UK Another, it's the UK, not just England. They are our monarchy too (unfortunately)

MmeLindt Thu 18-Nov-10 14:40:26

Anyone want to join in the KateandWillSmug competition to win Swiss chocolate? Over here - open to the Bah-Humbug-Brigade too.

In fact, those who are against all the fuss of the wedding will have good chances to win as their family and friends are likely to notice a Will and Kate mug in their house.

Maisiethemorningsidecat Thu 18-Nov-10 14:44:26

I will win. In fact, I shall wipe the floor with you all (and my W&K dishcloth)

liamsdaddy Thu 18-Nov-10 14:46:43

How can William marry Kate?

It's not like they are remotely related.

Maisiethemorningsidecat Thu 18-Nov-10 15:01:24

grin

NorhamGardens Thu 18-Nov-10 15:53:07

Kate looks steely and in control to me. William seems a bit clueless and vulnerable to me, I think she's his rock.

Re: the family business. I worked in a small one and know others that do. If those at the top are close relatives it's generally a much easier ride. It's far more 'dog eat dog' in the real world. The daughter of my boss would work alternate days and often begin work around 11.30am. Of course not every family business is like that but if those that love you dearly are at the helm it usually makes things more pleasant than they might be elsewhere.

In Kate's case I can see that other paid employment would be difficult for her. Good luck to both of them.

If Chelsy was in Kate's position would she agree to give up her position as a lawyer? Perhaps she'd have no choice?

Maisiethemorningsidecat Thu 18-Nov-10 16:03:47

And yet all the other young royals in the UK manage it hmm

expatinscotland Thu 18-Nov-10 17:50:12

'and thought maybe we (Ireland) could do with a royal family to cheer us up like that.'

Never mind all those people who gave their lives to throw them out, or the millions of people who starved to death or were forced to flee due the effects British rule had on them.

hmm

KittyFoyle Thu 18-Nov-10 19:03:33

Never mind the Royals Expat - Oliver Cromwell wasn't exactly the saviour of Ireland either.

Maisiethemorningsidecat Thu 18-Nov-10 19:10:42

Is Oliver Cromwell 'ruling' the country and about to fleece us for the cost of a wedding?

KittyFoyle Thu 18-Nov-10 19:11:39

No. He's dead. It's that Cameron bloke now.

Maisiethemorningsidecat Thu 18-Nov-10 20:57:56

What - Cameron's getting married??

expatinscotland Thu 18-Nov-10 21:07:46

Oliver Cromwell was a blip on the 400-year continuum that was British occupation and exploitation of Ireland. Hardly a reason to justify the continued scrounging of this anti-Catholic German 'royal' family. Even the Germans got rid of this royalty rubbish.

I can't imagine the Republic of Ireland would find these anti-Catholic German usurpers lording it over them at the countrymens' expense a reason to be cheerful.

Oh, yippee! Another thing to pay for when you're all destitute. Don't forget to courtesy now.

KittyFoyle Thu 18-Nov-10 22:05:13

Expat - what have you got against Germans? 'Even the Germans...'?! I lose more money on the horses than I give to the queen. She can have my 63p or whatever it is. The Royals do have other sources of income - hard to miss them really.

expatinscotland Thu 18-Nov-10 22:17:49

Nothing. I don't believe in monarchy. At all. Ever.

KittyFoyle Thu 18-Nov-10 22:24:09

Oh well. There is a lot of evidence they exist.

I can't see what the problem is these days.

Mummiehunnie Thu 18-Nov-10 23:46:34

I had a quick look at her family web site, she has done some lovely photography on there... I doubt she will be using her family web site wedding invites

electra Thu 18-Nov-10 23:56:55

I had to laugh at Janet Street Porter's comments on 'This Week' - she said that when it comes to the royal family most usually normal people lose about 50% of their brain grin

SparklingExplosionGoldBrass Fri 19-Nov-10 00:11:05

I'm pleased. Because I am going to make some money out of it. Bwahahahahaha!

electra Fri 19-Nov-10 00:14:17

Ooh, sounds intriguing SGB!

anotherpointofview Fri 19-Nov-10 09:35:55

When I said "we could do with a royal wedding in Ireland to cheer us up" I was of course being flippant - given the news breaking in Ireland on the same day: banking crisis and two families devastated by fathers murdering their children, your news of a wedding hardly seems something to grumble about. And as for the people wh