Would you not tell the breeder

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lakia Wed 28-Aug-13 17:54:06

I am sorry this is in the wrong place but I am having trouble using this site at the moment.
I got myself a pedigree kitten yesterday and she is beautiful paid quite a bit for her off a proper breeder.
The breeder bought her to me. To my shock shortly after I discovered that the kitten has fleas and I am really concerned in case I end up with an infestation in my house.
I have today spent a fortune on a house spray and treatment for the kitten.
I have made the breeder aware of this and they have said that no way did she have them yesterday as was taken to the vet yesterday to have vaccinations she has said she is offended by me saying this.
So what do you think have I handled this badly and dont you think I have a right to say.

duchesse Wed 28-Aug-13 18:09:23

A bit hmm that the breeder brought her to you- I would always want to know what conditions my pet was being kept in- are there such things as kitten farms (as there are with intensive dog breeding?) If your breeder is denying knowledge of the fleas, then she sounds dodgy tbh. Take the kitten to the vet and have its state of health properly assessed- you need to be sure you haven't got an unhealthy cat. Also, did you choose this cat? In person? Or did the breeder choose it for you?

lakia Wed 28-Aug-13 18:22:24

she was advertising the kitten and I saw pictures on the internet of it and its surroundings etc.
I have everything else vaccination record she has been neutered, and wormed etc free bag of goodies, pedigree certificate so have no concerns there.
I asked if she could bring me the kitten as I dont drive.

lakia Wed 28-Aug-13 18:25:56

She has her own website as well maybe its just one of those things but I dont think there was any need to react the way she did.

BigBrassBand Wed 28-Aug-13 19:14:24

Very suspicious! Lots of cat breeders seem to have several litters on sites simultaneously. What do you want the breeder to do? Are you wanting compensation for the flea treatment? I would, personally, pedigree cats are not cheap and you'd expect a flea-free cat.

SilverApples Wed 28-Aug-13 19:19:09

Phone up the vet she had the vaccinations done with and check that they were actually done, and ask why the vet didn't notice the fleas.
She sounds like a BYB.

tabulahrasa Wed 28-Aug-13 19:21:02

How can she have been neutered if she only got her vaccinations yesterday? How old is she?

Fleas do not appear overnight - and your 'breeder' will know that full well. Did you go to the vet for flea treatment? Over the counter stuff is a complete waste of time.

OldLadyKnowsNothing Wed 28-Aug-13 19:21:02

Neutered already? How old is this kitten?

everlong Wed 28-Aug-13 19:22:10

Kittens should not arrive with fleas.

I would definitely ring the vet and check she's been neutered and vaccinated.

How far did she travel?

duchesse Wed 28-Aug-13 21:00:01

Cats should not be neutered too young! I think you need to take this cat to the vet asap and get a full health assessment on it.

lakia Wed 28-Aug-13 21:15:57

I have the vaccination record that show she has been done. She is 12 weeks old

lakia Wed 28-Aug-13 21:16:25

she travelled 9 miles to me

lakia Wed 28-Aug-13 21:20:06

I bought the treatment from the vets yes.
I just cant believe it, I have a cat and a dog have had them several years have kept them up to date with worming and flea treatments and never had a problem with fleas and this cat comes to me with fleas.

pooka Wed 28-Aug-13 21:25:40

I thought girl kittens were usually nearer 5 or 6 months when they are spayed? Not 12 weeks.

OldLadyKnowsNothing Wed 28-Aug-13 21:38:19

She's been vaccinated, but she hasn't been spayed at 12 weeks, as said it's usually 5-6 months. Dodgy dealer. sad

SilverApples Wed 28-Aug-13 22:23:57

Please take this poor little cat to a decent vet and get her thoroughly checked out ASAP.

she could have been neutered, there are some vets who do early neutering. she should have a visible shaved patch if she has been

RowanMumsnet (MNHQ) Thu 29-Aug-13 09:39:15

Hi OP - we've moved this to The Litter Tray for you now.

DiaryOfAWimpyMum Thu 29-Aug-13 09:44:01

I neutered mine at 12 weeks.

Of course you were right to point out fleas sadly some of the 'best known breeders' do have flea problems. No need considering you can buy flea treatments online, in chemists, P@H and Vets

tabulahrasa Thu 29-Aug-13 09:46:15

Do they neuter before their injections though? I know some vets do early neutering but it was before injections that threw me.

DiaryOfAWimpyMum Thu 29-Aug-13 09:54:15

Oh no, vaccinations at 9 then 12 weeks, then neutering (if they are above a certain weight).

She should have been vaccinated, unless it's a breeder who does deals such as taking £50 off cost and doesn't vaccinate but why would she take it to be neutered and not vaccinate?

lljkk Thu 29-Aug-13 10:01:11

Please update, OP, lots of this doesn't seem right.

issey6cats Thu 29-Aug-13 13:42:46

some vets do neutering before vaccs, the cat rescue i work our vets does early neutering at either 11 weeks or 2kgs that way the kittens go out neutered as relying on people to neuter later does not always work out,

when someone adopts from us the kittens go at 12-14 weeks and are not vaccinated as the cost of this would put up the adoption fee to a level that people in yorkshire would not consider, they are chipped while they are under for neuter,

but sorry op picking a kitten off a website without seeing her with her parents or at least mother in situ is starting to sound like a kitten farmed situation and yes they do exist this is not a decent breeder, you really should have gone to her home and seen the kittens there 9 miles in a taxi would have been a good investment especially if you were paying a lot for a kitten, i know people want pedigree kits but this is why cat breeding is out of control in this country, as naive buyers like yourself encourage crappy breeders who dont care about thier cats and are only churning out litters for profit

lakia Thu 29-Aug-13 16:13:19

Oh god I am in such a muddle with this she is insisting that the fleas have not come from her house and that the kitten definately did not have them before coming to me.
She says that all her cats where checked over 2 days ago and no sign of fleas.
I have a cat and dog and have checked them over but found nothing.
Also I discovered that the kitten had fleas not long after she had left surely if the fleas had come from my environment they could not possibly have infested the kitten so soon.
Please does anybody have any insight on this any vets on here

OldLadyKnowsNothing Thu 29-Aug-13 16:28:58

I'm not a vet, but that kitten had fleas when you got it. Has she a shaved patch on her side, from neutering?

TSSDNCOP Thu 29-Aug-13 16:38:06

The vet will have their phone no on the vac card.

Phone them, and request exactly what treatment they supplied. Their records will show that she's been vac'd, neutered and wormed.

If she had been infested with fleas they would have treated that too.

But I'm betting none of that happened because this dealer sounds horribly like a kitten farmer sad

cozietoesie Thu 29-Aug-13 16:49:19

She does, doesn't she? (Or at the least, a real lackadaisical sort of person.)

DiaryOfAWimpyMum Thu 29-Aug-13 18:52:54

What make is it?

Sounds more likely she had the fleas when you got her, of course they couldn't have come from the breeder hmm

A few breeders I know do deliver kittens but they have usually had the person come and choose a kitten, then they deliver it after the vaccs/neutering.

Some breeders are more in a hurry to neuter so that any female they sell will not be bred from but it' looking like this one cbarsed.

When I bred cats 2 of the top [insert cat type] breeders had problems with fleas, was she from a large set up? sometimes breeders who have a few stud cats outside and the females to meet the studs requirements and they become a bit lax when it comes to fleaing

Even if a Vet does come on how on earth can they tell where your kitten got the fleas from? smile

lakia Fri 30-Aug-13 00:15:00

I am wondering if its possible that the kitten could pick fleas up from my environment and become infested in a matter of a few hours can fleas do this thats why I asked if there was nay vets on here.
I have checked my cat and dog and found nothing on them so am puzzled as to whether this can be the case.

lakia Fri 30-Aug-13 00:16:40

She says that her cats kittens never go out, however she did state that they have access to a outside enclosed courtyard which is true as I have seen it on her website.

WakeyCakey Fri 30-Aug-13 08:21:52

If personally forget the fleas and be more worried about the neutering and overall kitten health. Can you get her to a vet?

SilverApples Fri 30-Aug-13 08:27:27

^ ^
This. Why haven't you had her checked out by a vet yet?

colditz Fri 30-Aug-13 08:32:51

Which vet? Ask her which vet. I would want to talk to that vet.

lljkk Fri 30-Aug-13 08:35:11

She could put any rubbish pictures on her website, they could be a bald-faced lie. Sorry, but can't believe you are still clinging to what's on her website. I could claim to be the Q of England on my website.

Agree with WakeyCakey, broadly.

SilverApples Fri 30-Aug-13 08:36:01

It just seems like such a logical course of action, doesn't it colditz?
Instead of relying on the word of a possibly dodgy seller, and the random words of MNetters who haven't seen the kitten in question.
OP, what's the problem?

colditz Fri 30-Aug-13 08:37:00

I am going to go ut on a limb here, and say that you have never seen THAT kitten before, in pictures or real life, because THAT kitten was picked up at a farm, probably out of a flea infested bed of straw in a rabbit hutch.

Phone the vet she says she took it to. If the vet neutered that kitten, the one you've got, she'll have a shaved patch on her side or tummy. The vet will have noted and maybe treated the fleas.

I don't doubt that a kitten was taken to the vets, and vaccinated, but I do doubt that it was YOUR kitten.

everlong Fri 30-Aug-13 08:37:04

Well the kitten has fleas from somewhere and if your cat and dog don't have fleas then it's odds on the kitten didn't pick them up from your house.

You're not getting anywhere with the breeder. Take the kitten to your vet, explain what's been going on and get the kitten checked.

Is she healthy and feeding well otherwise?

birdybear Fri 30-Aug-13 08:39:55

Ask the vet! Anyway, so what! You seen to be making such a big deal of this. Buy some flea treatment, use it, move on. Why the drama !

everlong Fri 30-Aug-13 08:45:39

Birdy I take this as the OP being worried about the bigger picture not the actual fleas.

She doesn't really have a clue how the kitten has been raised, what the breeder is really like.

SoupDragon Fri 30-Aug-13 08:49:34

I would say the breeder is lying about the fleas.

Which would make me wonder what else she is lying about.

cozietoesie Fri 30-Aug-13 09:15:09


As above, you need to get the kit to a decent vet to be checked over - for the kitten's sake as much as anything else. Throw yourself on the vet's mercy with the full story and do make certain that they check to see if she's neutered. It will stand out a mile.

prettybird Fri 30-Aug-13 09:23:47

The other thing that surprises me is that you say she is 12 weeks old.

Don't know if it is different for other pedigree breeds, but we've never been allowed to get our Siamese kittens before they are 14 weeks old. Our breeder told us that that was the "rule" for the breed and that she would get into trouble if she gave them to us any earlier.

birdybear Fri 30-Aug-13 09:35:07

Everlong, actually, if you read all her posts she says she has no concerns about anything else, all she talks about is the fleas. It is everyone else dressing concerns about the breeder and other stuff. The op is only concerned about fleas.

cozietoesie Fri 30-Aug-13 09:40:58

That maybe just how it's presenting, birdybear. It's perfectly possible to seize on one physical aspect to deal with when something goes all pear shaped with a new acquisition.

birdybear Fri 30-Aug-13 13:50:54

Its perfectly possible also, cozietoesie, to jump on the bandwagon with everyone else and make issues for the op that she didn't originally have. Anyway, i am not that bothered to argue about it!

SilverApples Fri 30-Aug-13 14:56:02

It's not about the OP, it is about a young kitten, neutered very early and infested with fleas, and what is the best care option.

Lonecatwithkitten Fri 30-Aug-13 15:46:18

OP. The breeder's response to your query about fleas seems a little OTT, most of the breeder's I work with would say I'm sorry I will check the other cats. Most breeders will have fleas at some point in their career no matter how careful they are.
This response would make me question the other information you have been given.
So do you have a vaccination certificate clearly identifying your kitten. If the answer is no then almost certainly the kitten has not been vaccinated and the safest thing would be to start all over again.
Does the kitten have a shaved patch either on it's left side or on it's tummy? If no then it has not been neutered. No vet would do surgery without shaving (the contamination risk would be awful) and the kitten is too young for the hair to have grown back.
This would be the advice I would give you if you were my client.

cozietoesie Fri 30-Aug-13 16:13:06


If the situation is/remains imprecise, is there any harm which could be done by starting a new first vaccination course within the normal time limits or would that remain the best choice of action?

StephenFrySaidSo Fri 30-Aug-13 16:21:09

if this was me I would take a taxi the 9 miles to the breeders. I would want to see her home where the kitten came from and speak to the vet and ask to see all the records relating specifically to that kitten.

and I would have done it on Wednesday!

Lonecatwithkitten Fri 30-Aug-13 19:08:42

If there is no vaccination certificate I would always recommend a vaccination course. The risks of being unvaccinated are far, far greater than the risks of double vaccination courses.

cozietoesie Fri 30-Aug-13 19:20:19

Thanks for that. Useful.

lljkk Fri 30-Aug-13 20:03:14

I'm not angry at OP. She's not first & she wont' be the last to be duped. I am furious at breeder though.

everlong Fri 30-Aug-13 20:06:38

OP did you get the vaccination card, proof of neutering?

ClaimedByMe Fri 30-Aug-13 20:07:34

Did you watch the program on tv recently, it was about breeding dogs, 'breeders' were forging documents, like vet cards and pedigree documents!

lljkk Sat 31-Aug-13 09:58:03

Lakia: I'm sorry you have been criticised here.
What did the vet say who did the vaccinations (Take note Readers, OP has said she has record); did they confirm the kitten is in their records, and that they neutered her, too?

If any part of the story turns out to be untrue then you MUST take this to Trading Standards. For a pedigree you pay a pretty penny, don't let the breeder dupe others.

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