Dh has seen a mom cat hunting with kittens in tow.

(42 Posts)
Fluffycloudland77 Mon 05-Aug-13 20:57:53

Which rescue agency is most likely to trap, neuter and release?

I'm assuming feral because usually the kittens would be at home wouldn't they? I mean you don't usually let mum take kittens off for a walk at nearly 9pm do you?

Fluffycloudland77 Mon 05-Aug-13 21:19:08

Dh has now got them kitten food and is trying to get them to eat it because he saw mom drop the mouse.

I'm getting plaintive phone calls of "but I can't just leave them here"

Fluffycloudland77 Mon 05-Aug-13 21:26:48

Kitten is eating, moms holding back.

This going to be expensive isn't it?

Snazzyenjoyingsummer Mon 05-Aug-13 21:32:22

Are you in the market for a family of kittens? ;)

Fluffycloudland77 Mon 05-Aug-13 21:33:39

No, our cats the local ASBO cat.

Dh would bring them home if he could.

Cats protection league gave us a trap for unneutered injured tom. Took about a week for him to build up trust - you have to keep feeding them. They neutered him, he would have been released back here but had FIV so sent to a farm for FIV +ve cats - it would have been easy to argue to have him pts, he was 10, injured and FIV pos but they still treated and rehomed him.

issey6cats Mon 05-Aug-13 21:48:23

cats protection league is definitely your best bet they would rather trap neuter and release a small feral family than see them grow into a huge colony , how old is the kitten if quite small cpl may even be able to tame the kitten and rehome them, mom may not even be a true feral she may be a stray or a dumped cat and if she is a dumped cat you never know they may even rehome her aswell

Fluffycloudland77 Mon 05-Aug-13 22:19:26

Well they wouldn't come to him but he put four tubs of food out, apparently he likes the black one best.

I'll ring cpl after work tomorrow and see what they say. If nothing else I'd really like to get them checked over and neutered adopt them all.

cozietoesie Mon 05-Aug-13 22:37:47

Yes - they could do with being neutered - and if by chance one or more is adoptable, they could make great mousers. It sounds as if Mum has pretty well taught them their trade already.

Where in the country are you? If not in London then yes, CPL. How old do you reckon the kittens are? They are at risk from foxes. I see that they're too shy to entice into the house. Do you have a shed or something you could persuade them to use?

chemenger Mon 05-Aug-13 23:18:58

Are they in a very rural location? I ask because we stayed on a farm once where there was a litter of kittens being raised by their mum and two of their older sisters. They were being fed by the owners of the farm (and the occupants of two holiday cottages) as well as being taught to hunt by their elders. All of them were going to other farms when old enough because they were well known in the area to be the best mousers around and were in demand. It was fascinating to see them trotting after big sister for a daily lesson in pest control. The runt of the litter was being hand raised on vet's orders by the farmer.

MumnGran Mon 05-Aug-13 23:23:14

If in London, try the Celia Hammond Trust

cozietoesie Mon 05-Aug-13 23:40:47

You don't think a feisty little black semi-feral might be just the one to get on with ASBOCat, Fluffy?

wink

Friends of ours let their DD adopt a feral kitten and it turned into he biggest, fattest, soppiest house cat imaginable - I alway assumed because it knew just how jammy it's new life was. My farmyard cat, OTOH, never stopped being a complete hunter killer (not great when you live with parents and father is a keen bird watcher blush - I am sure she thought he would appreciate a closer look).

Good luck with CPL, OP.

Fluffycloudland77 Tue 06-Aug-13 08:35:01

It's a semi rural spot, it's a back road with a park.

At least the kittens had full tummies last night. I'll ring cpl later and hope they aren't useless like the RSPCA, I'd like some experienced cat rescuers anyway who can look at them and say if they are really feral, mom doesn't look mangy according to dh.

We will go back tonight with more kitten food.

cozietoesie Tue 06-Aug-13 08:45:58

Mum wouldn't necessarily look mangy, Fluffy. If she's young, fit and a highly competent hunter (and its been god weather for her after all) then she could well be feral yet look quite OK. All the actions you've quoted so far say feral cat to me. (Or at the very least, abandoned cat I suppose.)

cozietoesie Tue 06-Aug-13 08:46:58

...... go*o*d weather ....

cozietoesie Tue 06-Aug-13 08:47:27

I give up. More caffeine needed.

Branleuse Tue 06-Aug-13 08:51:59

oh cute!!

id just leave food out for them and leave them be

shareastory Tue 06-Aug-13 09:03:51

Ring CPL....I have a family of 6 'ferals' living in my garden (mum came to live with me, she knows which side her paw is buttered!) They were all neglected by a neighbour (a further litter were rehomed) They were trapped, neutered and returned and food is supplied by CPL from donations in supermarkets.

They are no bother and have grown to be be beautiful beasts...I hate to think of their fate had we done nothing.....

Fluffycloudland77 Tue 06-Aug-13 16:04:23

Cosie, you are not helping! I love black cats. I could call her Georgie.

Right, I'm going to ring cpl, I feel such a twat "my dh found a family of cats that may/may not be feral".

They will think I'm a handwringing do-gooder.

Fluffycloudland77 Tue 06-Aug-13 16:24:54

Right, I rang them and they think its a woman who lets her cats breed unchecked angry.

Due to lack of volunteers they get the RSPCA to trap, neuter, release and she's going to ring her contact at the RSPCA and pass my details on.

So, I don't know what will happen or if Georgie is up for coming to live with us runs away with self or if we are on severely dodgy ground.

cozietoesie Tue 06-Aug-13 17:11:14

Every house needs a Georgie, I think.

grin

ChunkyPickle Tue 06-Aug-13 17:15:41

If you're in the country, it's possible - my parent's cat was taught to hunt by its mother (as of course were the rest of the litter)

That thing could bring down rabbits... he was very good at it.

Fluffycloudland77 Tue 06-Aug-13 17:39:06

But how do re-home a kit with an ASBO cat?? Do you put a little suit of armour on it?.

I am in un-chartered territory here, last time we re-homed cats I wasn't the adult and you just chucked them in with the resident cats and let them sort it out. There was none of this swapping bedding over malarkey <shows age> it was survival of the meanest.

I am feeling out of my depth, I don't want them to breed un-checked and end up diseased or caught by kids and hurt but I don't want to be accused of acting illegally due to my job, I have enhanced disclosure crb checks. I don't want to be arrested for cat napping with intent to spay.

cozietoesie Tue 06-Aug-13 20:03:22

Ah well, Fluffy. Your call.

smile

Corygal Tue 06-Aug-13 20:50:33

Georgie sounds LOVELY.

Mr Cory, my BFF, was feral. He is huge and toothy with it. Now he is the softest, cuddliest companion you could imagine.

Fluffycloudland77 Tue 06-Aug-13 21:01:48

I need more guidance.

I fed them tonight, 3 fat little kittens and mom who stayed hidden. They scarpered the minute you get out of the car so I set 2/3 a tin of butchers then I went back and opened a tray hoping mum might something to eat too.

They wolfed it down.

I feel like a total numpty who hasn't fed a cat before, do they sound hungry to you or are they just being typical kittens?.

Fluffycloudland77 Tue 06-Aug-13 21:18:21

<needy>

cozietoesie Tue 06-Aug-13 21:25:30

Bit of both, I suspect. Much depends on how well Mum has been doing in finding prey - or whether she has got them to the stage where they're being encouraged to find their own. The attrition rate for kittens in the wild is pretty high I believe.

Fluffycloudland77 Tue 06-Aug-13 21:31:02

Dh drove past and they were by the road sad so he bibbed the horn and they scarpered.

I just need to plough on dont I and try to get them neutered at least.

cozietoesie Tue 06-Aug-13 21:36:50

You must try and get them neutered at least. It sounds to me, though, as if Mum is trying tough love to encourage them to find their own food and they're maybe not doing too well - hence coming to the roadside at the sound of a car. Hoping for nosh probably.

I think that whatever you do, you need to do it fast, Fluffy, before they get RTA'd.

You're doing the right thing. You need to get them used to coming for food at certain times - that way it's much easier to trap them. What would also really, really help would be if you could feed them inside something like a large cardboard box - the size of something that say a hoover came in would be ideal - large and oblong. That way they would be used to going inside something to eat, making them much easier to trap.

And yes, you need to keep doing this until you can get help for them all to be neutered and hopefully relocated to somewhere less dangerous and with someone to feed them.

Oh and i've just read back a bit, and don't worry, you wouldn't be doing anything illegal. If you see a cat with kittens roaming around you would have no reason to assume they have an owner and every reason to help them by trapping/rehoming. Nobody could prosecute you for that.

Fluffycloudland77 Wed 07-Aug-13 21:33:13

No kittens, went an hour later than usual.

We left 3 trays of food behind a bollard so if they do find it they can't be seen eating from the road.

I'll go again tomorrow.

cozietoesie Wed 07-Aug-13 21:47:33

Maybe someone has picked them up? You could try ringing the local rescue or vet if no sign of eating by tomorrow and see if they've been brought in. Just to relieve your mind.

cozietoesie Sat 10-Aug-13 21:07:59

Any news of them?

Fluffycloudland77 Sat 10-Aug-13 21:33:07

No, they weren't there two nights running, drove past tonight and no sign of them.

cozietoesie Sat 10-Aug-13 21:34:47

On balance, I think that that probably means they've been taken in by someone.

Fluffycloudland77 Sat 10-Aug-13 21:53:56

I do hope so, cpl said I could have one and they'd pay for neutering so I'm hoping if someone else calls them they'd make the same offer.

I refused any help with costs, I'd rather it went to people who couldn't afford the £60 vets bill.

We will go back for a few nights though, just in case.

Last night we saw someone behind the gates (it's railway property) in cammo gear, I worry they were hunting but I'm hoping they weren't trying to hurt the cats. They walked into a restricted area when dh got out of the car.

cozietoesie Sat 10-Aug-13 21:57:09

Probably SAS in training. (The restricted area et al.) You don't live near Hereford, do you?

Fluffycloudland77 Sat 10-Aug-13 22:30:17

Derbyshire.

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