Birman cat

(119 Posts)
EMUZ Sun 02-Jun-13 20:43:13

Disclaimer that it is not mine grin
She follows me everywhere, I mean to the shop (then sits outside and waits for me), to the car (then tries to get in the car)
Comes in the window and follows me round the house yowling. Won't let any other cat near me and hissed/spat at a neighbours cat yesterday that came over for a stroke
Is this normal for a Birman?! I mean, I just don't get why she yowls at me all the time. I don't speak cat and I'm sure she's thinking "stupid human" confused

cozietoesie Sun 02-Jun-13 20:52:54

The Lodger used to try and get into shops with me!

Are you talking back to her? When Seniorboy yowls, it means he wants something - nearly always attention/recognition but it could sometimes be a door opened, nosh, or eg just letting me know that his tray has been used.

Answer back eg

Seniorboy: Yowl

Me: What?

SB: Yowl

Me: What are you on about?

and so on. I don't yell but use an authoritative voice which is just a little louder than normal. He stops yowling after about 3 or 4 goes and then comes up on lap or close by for a stroke.

EMUZ Sun 02-Jun-13 20:56:19

Oh she tried to get into the shop but after much embarrassment when a passerby went "is that cat on a lead?!" Er no. Not mine. Pretending she's not with me

I do talk back to her but maybe need to try it a bit more. I know she isn't mine but its pretty difficult to ignore grin
When I come home from a night shift she is sat in my parking space waiting for me

cozietoesie Sun 02-Jun-13 21:00:34


How long have you got her for?

My guess is that she needs a lot more attention - and she'll only know she's getting it if she hears you respond. A lot - but mainly at first because it should tail off a little. She's likely missing her owner.

Try to develop a special tone of voice that you use for her alone. Loud but indulgent. We'll have you speaking cat in no time.

EMUZ Sun 02-Jun-13 21:03:46

Erm well blush she's apparently a neighbours but they never seem to have her inside so I think I've been adopted. She sits outside my window and cries <god I'm soft>
This is her if it works

cozietoesie Sun 02-Jun-13 21:16:27

What a honey.

You do need to square things with your neighbour, though. (Which I'm sure you know deep down.) What if she gets ill or has a special diet or meds or...or....or....

Have a word with them about the situation.


EMUZ Sun 02-Jun-13 21:21:12

Oh yeah, I don't feed her at all, and I never keep her in (even though she tries)
Usually she comes in after a late shift so midnight ish and I kick her out before I go to bed. Today she wandered in for an hour and fell asleep then let herself out the window

dubdurbs Sun 02-Jun-13 21:30:51

Oh she's beautiful!! I wouldn't mind being adopted by a cat like that! Aren't they indoor acts though, like, not suited to outdoor life? Because if that is the case, maybe you should hang on to her.

cozietoesie Sun 02-Jun-13 21:33:28

I'd still let them know how much she visits though. Otherwise she could get confused. (Trying to stay the night sounds as if she thinks you're her home.) Are you on comfortable terms with the neighbour?

I grant you that you run the risk of them getting the hump and deciding they'll keep her in all the time. Would you keep her if it turned out that they were happy for her to live with you though?

EMUZ Sun 02-Jun-13 21:34:26
EMUZ Sun 02-Jun-13 21:36:57

None of us have ever seen the neighbours <puzzled face>
She appeared at the same time as the house sold hence why we presume she is theirs.
I know she is outside all night, as she often wakes me at 4/5am crying outside

cozietoesie Sun 02-Jun-13 21:40:00

Oops a doopsy then - you really better ask, including other neighbours who might have seen/talked to them. What if she isn't theirs at all but a stray?

And a cat like she sounds would want to be in sleeping of a night. I have to say that it sounds to me as if she's a stray who is looking for a new billet.

EMUZ Sun 02-Jun-13 21:42:51

Hmmm decisions! I figured as they don't have a cat flap they just chuck her out at night or when they go out
She appears v well cared for

cozietoesie Sun 02-Jun-13 21:56:08

I'd try a jolly note through the door in the first instance. Might also be an idea to check with any other neighbours that you do know. You might not be feeding her but who knows but that they are.

EMUZ Sun 02-Jun-13 21:58:18

I will ask around. I've asked next door and another set of neighbours and both say "think it belongs to them but never seen them"

cozietoesie Sun 02-Jun-13 21:59:24

I understand.

EMUZ Sun 02-Jun-13 21:59:26

<disclaimer> I've read the other cat threads on here hence why I don't feed her or shut her in and I throw her out after she's had a cuddle grin
Although I can't stop er following me shopping

Ubermumsy Sun 02-Jun-13 22:00:25

I so would steal that cat grin

EMUZ Sun 02-Jun-13 22:04:52

She is beautiful. I'm not a cat person, never had them but she seems to have attached herself to me

Ubermumsy Mon 03-Jun-13 10:14:21

Thing is, EMUZ, she thinks you're a cat person...

ProtegeMoi Mon 03-Jun-13 10:18:30


I have Birmans and they are bred as indoor only cats!

They are very docile, trusting and a little bit daft so have no sense of danger, will lie in roads full of traffic, approach strangers to play etc. I am very surprised the owner has her wandering the streets like that.

She's a seal point and is beautiful.

The following you and yowling is normal, she either wants feeding or attention. Are you sure she's being cared for and not lost?

EMUZ Mon 03-Jun-13 12:54:45

Definitely not lost
Not sure about docile as she's a little madam grin but very trusting
Indoor cats you say? So suitable for an apartment? <because not a cat person but appear to love these>

cozietoesie Mon 03-Jun-13 13:01:04

Someone looking to give her house cat status just might find it difficult now that she's got used to outside - once they're used to that they're often unhappy being kept inside. (Not always and not at night time usually - sometimes a cat would just love to be an inside cat, particularly as they get older or in winter.)

It matters in my view as to how much company, stimulation and room you can give an indoor cat. I work from home and have a big old house with loads of scampering room and stairs to gallop up and down - so Seniorboy is a happy camper. I can see that in different circumstances he might be miserable.

It all depends.

That is a beautiful cat envy

EMUZ Mon 03-Jun-13 13:39:14

Oh no not indoor for her, but maybe she has put an idea in my head wink

cozietoesie Mon 03-Jun-13 14:11:12

Ah right! Well there are frequently oriental cats (including Siamese, Birman, Balinese, Tonks etc) looking for homes - including older housecats whose owners may have died or been unable to continue looking after them. Have a look see on the net - just google for xxxxxx rescue and most if not all of them have websites.


EMUZ Mon 03-Jun-13 14:14:48

I will have a look smile
Said cat has just face planted the window jumping up to get in and not realising it was closed. She looks a little ashamed

cozietoesie Mon 03-Jun-13 14:15:44

You rotter. Let her in.


EMUZ Mon 03-Jun-13 14:27:01

I did blush but I'm covered in sun cream and got bloody fur everywhere now. Plus I'm sat in the back garden and I don't think she's bright enough to work out how to get out to the front again

ProtegeMoi Mon 03-Jun-13 15:20:15

Definately suitable for an apartment ;)

And definately suitable for a non cat lover as they are known for being quite dog like.

Quite cross at the owners letting a cat with no wild instinct and safety knowledge wander around all night, they are lucky it hasn't been killed in the road.

ProtegeMoi Mon 03-Jun-13 15:23:09

I would put a note on her collar saying if this is your cat call this number with my phone number on it, at least you can then make sure she definately belongs to someone and is being fed etc.

She sounds desperate to get in so why isn't she going home?

EMUZ Mon 03-Jun-13 15:55:40

No collar. Have asked some neighbours I saw today who said oh yes we think she belongs to X but we don't know and we've never met them
Offered her some water which she drank a little and she's sat purring on the windowsill (window open so she can get back out)

ProtegeMoi Mon 03-Jun-13 17:22:07

Cut a thin strip of paper, write on it, and secure it with tape round her neck, makeshift collar!

I find it very hard to believe a cat that costs so much for one is roaming free with no collar and suspect she is lost and dosnt belong where you think.

Ubermumsy Mon 03-Jun-13 22:46:58

Indeed protege, pedigree Orientals are proper pricey. I like your idea of a makeshift collar. The other alternative is to take her to the local vet or rescue centre and see if she's chipped.

Theironfistofarkus Mon 03-Jun-13 22:54:23

Emuz, may I ask where you live? PM me if you prefer. I have lost my lovely Birman who looks exactly like that. Is a boy though so maybe not mine. His sister is missing him badly. Would be so amazing if it was him!

EMUZ Mon 03-Jun-13 22:56:46

PM sent. Just seen paper collar post
This is her today coming from my back door to window (and the sound she constantly makes)

cozietoesie Mon 03-Jun-13 23:01:14

She is just gorgeous. Do you think she'd let you groom her a little? (Looks as though she could do with some.)

EMUZ Mon 03-Jun-13 23:03:43

Hahahahaha. Sorry. I tried to pull a twig from under her belly today and after risking life and limb resorted to 2 knitting needles which she promptly bit
What can I groom her with? <does horses, not cats>

MouseSquirrelMum Mon 03-Jun-13 23:05:11

She looks like my cat. But younger I think (hope). Please say you aren't in Cheshire

We let ours go in and out as they choose, I'm hoping she's not bothering someone secretly!

Re the talking, I talk back too. Birmans are very chatty and friendly (and loud!) and ours always welcome me home and shout hello when they come in.

EMUZ Mon 03-Jun-13 23:07:43

Not in Cheshire grin
She doesn't bother me at all (except the 4/5am wake up yowls) in fact she's an absolute honey to have around. I do tend to let her wander in and out as she pleases. Although she was forcibly put outside today and not happy about it
From what I can gather she does have a home but given we have never seen them I don't think they are about much and she adores humans I think!

MouseSquirrelMum Mon 03-Jun-13 23:17:00

If you want to groom her, a little brush will be good. Our brush is soft one side and spikier the other side for knotty bits. Start off stroking with the brush and then it can turn into grooming. For some reason, when I groom ours they want to groom me and/or eat the brush, so I give them a hand to lick whilst I use the other to brush!
Hope theironfist's cat comes home soon.

EMUZ Mon 03-Jun-13 23:35:26

I may try it cautiously. Her tummy bit looks knotty but she spends a lot of time licking herself
I have a feeling if I offer her a hand to groom I will get claws impaled in it

cozietoesie Tue 04-Jun-13 00:03:17

Don't try the tummy at this stage. Go for back and flanks and start off with just a gentle odd brush interspersed with strokes so that she can get used to it. Best to keep it to a very short session when she's already relaxed on your lap.

EMUZ Tue 04-Jun-13 00:19:29

Ok smile
I have to go to pet shop tomorrow for fish and hamster stuff anyway <too many pets> so I will grab a brush

Do you think a Birman would be a cat that could cope in a two dog, four guinea pig, two chicken household? Oh and two dc grin the children would really like a cat but it would need a strong personality in our slightly madcap household!

Fluffycloudland77 Tue 04-Jun-13 16:01:37

Scone, try a bengal. Very strong personality.

The dogs may never forgive you though, we know a dog who is not allowed upstairs anymore now the cat has decided dogs are downstairs pets.

EMUZ Tue 04-Jun-13 16:41:23

Right, fish have a new filter to fit, hamster has a new food toy, horse has new shampoo and cat has a brush grin
Am going to be surrounded by sodding animals and none of them are normal

cozietoesie Tue 04-Jun-13 16:44:14

Personally, Scone, I'd go for a ginger tom if I were you. Never met one yet that didn't have inner resources.


ProtegeMoi Tue 04-Jun-13 19:31:47

I have 3 DC, 2 Rotties and several rodents along with my 2 Birmans, Ragdoll and moggy. They all get on fine, easier to bring a kitten into a home with a dog then the other way round and the cat is ALWAYS the boss.

Right now there are 2 very large dogs squished up on a cold floor because the cat has stolen BOTH their beds!

Fluffycloudland77 Tue 04-Jun-13 19:42:10
EMUZ Wed 05-Jun-13 16:13:10

Thank you for the brush suggestion grin except I haven't got anything done today now she's purring like an engine. Video of brushing

msrisotto Wed 05-Jun-13 16:19:50

Squeeeeeee! She's lovely! And you are SO not stealing her. You are being forcibly adopted!

ProtegeMoi Thu 06-Jun-13 00:00:32

That pic is so funny!

Poor dogs don't even have a cat bed to swap unless they want to climb the scratching post to get to it.

HansieMom Thu 06-Jun-13 04:03:22

Kitty is saying, adopt me! I am scared out here by myself!

Truly she does not seem like a cat meant to be outside on her own.

She is a most beautiful cat!

sashh Thu 06-Jun-13 07:02:45

I can't see any of the pics - do I need a photobucket account?


could you put some pics on your profile?

And have you checked for a microchip

cozietoesie Thu 06-Jun-13 09:25:04

Sorry EMUZ. I neglected to say that brushing her makes her your cat now.


cozietoesie Thu 06-Jun-13 09:27:08

No you don't sashh. You've just had a glitch.

EMUZ Thu 06-Jun-13 16:02:58

Latest pic. Hopefully nobody minds me adding to thread but I love taking photos and she's a very helpful subject grin

cozietoesie Thu 06-Jun-13 16:43:07

Well what can I say? That's clearly your cat.

EMUZ Thu 06-Jun-13 17:00:58

Clearly grin
She dug her paw in every time I tried to move. I have reached my position as staff

ProtegeMoi Fri 07-Jun-13 00:40:12

Yep you've officially been adopted.
They say cats choose their owners.

I don't suppose you'll know her name, you'll have to give her one ;)

Fluffycloudland77 Fri 07-Jun-13 07:14:54

Did you get her checked for a microchip?

EMUZ Tue 11-Jun-13 20:27:31

No, she has an owner but just appears to prefer me for company confused
Little sad cat face video

cozietoesie Tue 11-Jun-13 20:40:59

She's such a honey.

EMUZ Tue 11-Jun-13 20:46:03

She's adorable. That was a proper angry pawing before I started filming than I got sad cat
Not in my good books since she appeared at the window and threw up on the carpet shock

cozietoesie Tue 11-Jun-13 20:47:22

The ultimate compliment, EMUZ!

Such a difficult situation for you, though.

EMUZ Tue 11-Jun-13 20:50:15

Is that a compliment? <knew I didn't like cats>

I'm kind of going with its ok her coming in as long as window is open, and she can get out I'm not keeping her in and she can't stay in overnight. I don't feed her and if I think she's been in too long I gently place (manhandle) her back outside
There's water down if she wants it, and I can't stop her following me when I walk

cozietoesie Tue 11-Jun-13 20:54:15

Oh aye - just wait until the winter snow starts!

EMUZ Tue 11-Jun-13 20:56:36

Oh don't sad I'm such a soft person with any animal. She wasn't here over winter I don't think

misseskimo Tue 11-Jun-13 22:28:14

I was going to say the same as ProtegeMoi! She is gorgeous, but all Birman breeders make a huge thing (and some even make you sign a contract!) of not letting them outside as they have no sense of danger! It's a case of Cat sees someone on other side of the road... "Ooh a person! ... Friend!" *Proceeds to run across the road without paying any attention to whats on it* ... Definitely not good! I would have a word with your neighbor, if she's following you around and talking to you that much she's obviously craving attention that she isn't getting at home - Maybe the neighbors have recently got another pet, or had a new baby into the house and so she's feeling left out, so seeking love from elsewhere? Typically Birman's will stay faithful to one owner(s) thinking of them as their own family as long as they obviously reciprocate the love and affection in return... I am on my third Birman now, and as much as cats are all different, in that sense, Birman's are all the same! smile

EMUZ Tue 11-Jun-13 22:30:30

She does just want the attention I think. But if they are not at home through the day and she's outside with no cat flap.. I guess she wants some strokes and comfort!
Same at night, I work odd hours so sometimes she's there at one am waiting for me

cozietoesie Tue 11-Jun-13 22:40:16


I've never had a Siamese who was left at home outside during the day or left outside at night at all. I'm afraid that misseskimo has a point - particularly with that girl who looks to be as daft as a brush with roads.

EMUZ Tue 11-Jun-13 22:41:35

Oh I know she shouldn't be out. But I see it as they don't keep her in, and I'd rather her sit with me than run round the road. After all, they put her outside sad

cozietoesie Tue 11-Jun-13 22:55:36

That's true - but also true that maybe you should try to set up a conversation with the neighbours about her. Seriously, once the snow comes are you going to be able to put her back out into the cold/ not give her some food and so on ?

misseskimo Wed 12-Jun-13 19:53:20

I suppose your right in that she is safer with you than on the roads, but it's very odd that they let her out all day with no cat flap! scary scary, I'd never let my girlies outside to roam around, I think I'd be too scared to go to work for fear of what might happen! :/ Birman's tend to not like water also, so poor little bugger in this weather will look like a drowned rat sad

EMUZ Fri 14-Jun-13 05:23:33

thank you cosie for the brush suggestion. I loved it so much I cried at 5am outside the staff window until she woke up. I then demanded a brush and tried to eat it. The staff put me back outside again and I face planted the window trying to get back in. She was very mean and said something about stupid cats and sleep time. I just wanted the brush, it felt nice on my tummy grin

cozietoesie Fri 14-Jun-13 09:13:13

Her coat already looks a bit better, I think.

I've had boys trying to 'eat' the brush as well. I think that the feel of hard bristles against teeth may be satisfying in the manner of scratching an itch so if you ever get her to the vet (I'm not going there) then having a look at teeth might be a good thing. (They don't seem to do it as much, if at all, when teeth are tickety boo.)

Anyway - the way I've found to handle that is to incorporate a 'tooth moment' at the end of the groom so that they know it's coming as part of the ritual. Hold the brush rigidly at an angle towards her but near-horizontal so that she can get at the bristles with one side of the mouth (you'll see what I mean when you try it) and then reverse the angle so that she can get at it with the other side of her mouth. Think tooth brushing angles.

I hate to mention the F word given that she's not officially your cat (although what the heck a Birman is doing out and about at 5 in the morning is anyone's guess) but has she asked for food yet?

EMUZ Fri 14-Jun-13 14:03:19

I still can't believe she actually woke me grin
She hasn't asked for food as such, I've eaten and she just sits there doesn't pester or anything
She has a dreamie when she goes back outside
Tried to weigh her and she won't fit on the scales. Can feel her hips and shoulder blades (if that's the right word)

cozietoesie Fri 14-Jun-13 14:09:56

Get on the scales by yourself - and weigh.

Get on the scales holding her - and weigh.



It rather depends on how accurate your scales are but should give you a decent idea.

EMUZ Fri 14-Jun-13 14:12:54

I did think about that. They're not digital so won't be great but I shall give it a go smile
Little madam, she knew I would wake up. Opened the window and she came running from my door

ZebraOwl Sat 15-Jun-13 23:50:28

She is absolutely beautiful!

As others have said, tis worrying she's being allowed to wander & is shut out (esp given they're meant to be indoor cats). You said that she appeared when new people moved in: is there any chance that actually she appeared when the last people moved out, as it were sad?

From the vidclips I'd guess she's used to being brush but hadn't been brushed for quite a while until you did it.

If you can't get to speak to the supposed owners to confirm she really is theirs (& if she is, hopefully make them reconsider how they look after her) I really do think you should maybe take her to the vet so they can check for a chip. You are being splendid in terms of your No Accidental Catnapping approach but it might be as well to get things clear asap? If only so you and the cat can plan how to enable her to move in without causing tension with neighbours.

EMUZ Sat 15-Jun-13 23:55:45

No she definitely is there's, have confirmed now with other neighbour but still not seen her humans. If that makes sense
She wasn't about yesterday but came in tonight and slept for 2 hours on me before I kicked her back out
I think maybe she just likes the peace?! Believe neighbours have children and my house is v quiet

EMUZ Sun 16-Jun-13 00:00:17

P.s this was today. She always sleeps with one paw out so she can dig claws in if I move confused

ZebraOwl Sun 16-Jun-13 00:49:27

Aw, she's a darling. Am glad she's definitely got owners - just a pity they're not doing a better job of caring for her.

Wonder how long it'd take them to notice if The Cat moved in with you...

EMUZ Sun 16-Jun-13 00:57:12

She is adorable. Had to keep checking she was breathing as she slept so deeply today grin
I'm not a cat person, I don't like them. But I've had the worst year of my life and she seems to have appeared just as things got bad so... My friend says she's my guardian smile

HansieMom Sun 16-Jun-13 01:11:28

She might have been sleeping very deeply today if she was out all night and could not sleep for fear of what might get her.

She is gorgeous envy

cozietoesie Sun 16-Jun-13 08:09:39

I have to say, EMUZ, for someone who keeps protesting that they don't like cats, you're doing a remarkable job of bringing her into your house and looking after her!


EMUZ Sun 16-Jun-13 17:34:47

I think she's part human wink

EMUZ Mon 17-Jun-13 20:24:14
cozietoesie Mon 17-Jun-13 20:25:18

She sure knows how to pose for a camera!

EMUZ Mon 17-Jun-13 20:33:53

She's like the bloody cat that got the cream wink
Very good at posing indeed

HansieMom Tue 18-Jun-13 02:59:10

Her owners are not caring for Her properly. Have you talked to them? Maybe they will let you have her, they could have visiting rights. Actually I would ask to buy her if all else fails.

EMUZ Tue 18-Jun-13 03:03:41

I haven't. The problem is I can't say directly they aren't looking after her. Sure she's outside but she does have a home and some people let their cats roam. No evidence she isn't being fed
I'm going to keep an eye on her and her weight (I weighed her and she was 7 or 8lbs)
I leave the window open when I'm awake so she wanders in and out as she pleases. Have a feeling she comes to me when her owners aren't home, or when they are asleep

HansieMom Tue 18-Jun-13 14:42:06

Well she has a very good home away from home.

EMUZ Tue 18-Jun-13 17:09:42

Oh she won't come to any harm if I have anything to do with it
(Unless she carries on waking me at 5am) grin

ZebraOwl Sat 22-Jun-13 15:02:37

She's not a cat who should be roaming though, is she... and letting cats out after dark is a contentious one regardless of breed!

Am so glad that she has you to look out for her grin

EMUZ Wed 26-Jun-13 23:09:13
cozietoesie Wed 26-Jun-13 23:13:32

She looks very content.

EMUZ Wed 26-Jun-13 23:15:51

Too content wink she's very photogenic and likes posing!

cozietoesie Wed 26-Jun-13 23:17:24

Have you found out her name, yet?

EMUZ Wed 26-Jun-13 23:18:18

Nope. She's alternately known as Trouble or Diva. Or "that bloody cat" when she's crying for me

EMUZ Fri 05-Jul-13 00:04:12
cozietoesie Fri 05-Jul-13 06:44:15


Er - was that someone's bed she was on?

EMUZ Fri 05-Jul-13 06:50:06

Haha I don't like cats, as if I'd let her on a bed grinblushblushblush

But no, I was lay on the sofa and the cat is on my boob!

EMUZ Fri 05-Jul-13 06:51:33

Just looked at the video. The grey fabric is my top grin
The least said about being woken at 5am by her this morning, the better

cozietoesie Fri 05-Jul-13 07:06:29

Just checking.


EMUZ Fri 05-Jul-13 07:17:08

She's on the bed now but you did only ask about the video grinwink

cozietoesie Fri 05-Jul-13 07:23:00


goodasitgets Wed 10-Jul-13 15:37:23
cozietoesie Wed 10-Jul-13 15:56:48

She's lucky you're not The Mad Catnapper Of Chigwell, eh?

(Her coat is looking better.)


goodasitgets Wed 10-Jul-13 15:58:59

Much brushing smile
She's a loon

goodasitgets Thu 18-Jul-13 02:09:55

Diva does not like heat. She doesn't want food or water or to play. An attempt to stroke her met with claws. Switched the fan on which was apparently terrifying. She just wants to glare at me and yowl confused

Apart from now where she is sat crying at the mirror grin

goodasitgets Thu 18-Jul-13 02:14:42
cozietoesie Thu 18-Jul-13 09:21:28



goodasitgets Sun 21-Jul-13 00:57:20

No cat visit today
At work. Feral cat wanders up to me yowling confused with a cut on its head
Have bathed cut, fed and watered it. Turning into cat woman, it has sat on my feet and miaowed while I stroked it
The cat signal must be up and working

Ujjayi Sun 21-Jul-13 08:22:03

Have you spoken to the owner yet? I know your intentions are good and clearly you have concerns about neglect. However, I have had a similar situation with a neighbour letting one of my cats in and treating him as their own - grooming etc - and I and my DCs were greatly distressed by it. He wasn't neglected he was just a good old-fashioned nosy puss who was over the top friendly smile

Please go and speak to them. Your concern may be enough to spur them into more attention for the cat (if indeed lacking) or they may be grateful for your interest & offer to rehome.

goodasitgets Mon 22-Jul-13 02:44:46

I still haven't seen them. I try not to over step the mark, she either comes in during the day (they must be at work) for a nap, or like tonight in the early hours of the morning
I have water down for her and she's never locked in - she jumps through my open window, but I do have to forcibly remove her from staying
I'd say she spends 85% of the day and night outside, she appears to never be in their house, but as mentioned they have no cat flap

Ujjayi Mon 22-Jul-13 09:39:06

But have you actually knocked on their door? Or put a note through their letterbox asking them to contact you? I barely see my neighbours day to day - even though we are all on friendly terms. I think you need to make more of an effort to make proper contact with them.

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