Fleas/Frontline drops didn't work

(42 Posts)
BobblyGussets Fri 03-May-13 20:06:38

Fed up now. I treated the cat with those drops on the back of his neck. The blurb said he would be protected for three months, but I can still see them coming off him after two weeks.
I also cleaned the whole house, hot washed all the bedding, pillows and duvets, lit three "flea bombs" but we have counted at least 15 flea bites on poor DS1.
I have seen them, they hop off the cat onto our white duvet cover, they look like very long fleas.
Helps! Please does anyone have any ideas?

bollockstoit Fri 03-May-13 20:12:50

frontline doesn't work anymore. You need advocate, but you have to get it from the vet.

Spero Fri 03-May-13 20:15:23

Yup sorry most fleas are now resistant to frontline. And my vet wouldn't give me any advocate as she hasn't seen the cats in last 12 months so now I have to take both cats in just to get bloody flea stuff.

First I think you may have misunderstood the blurb. I'm guessing it was a pack of three - hence three months - monthly use is recommended. Anyway that's a side issue.

Our clinic no longer stocks Frontline as it appears that fleas have become resistant to it. We instead recommend Stronghhold, Advocat or Advantage.

And I don't know what a flea bomb is, but you will need to spray the house with a vet-recommended flea spray. I've completely forgotten the names of them but one comes in a large yellow can. You have to buy them from pharmacies or vets, not off the shelf.

Good luck

bollockstoit Fri 03-May-13 20:17:13

spero my vet only makes me take one cat in, once a year, but I think they charge about £15 for that.

BobblyGussets Fri 03-May-13 20:17:16

Thanks all, I will get him to the vets soon.

cozietoesie Fri 03-May-13 20:18:28

Indorex is the one I've used in the past I think.

You need to hoover valiantly as well, OP, particularly in cracks and edges etc.

Spero Fri 03-May-13 20:18:33

I was told - it's a medicine! We can only legally prescribe it if we see the patient! Ffs.

Wonder if that's why Frontline is being promoted now in pharmacy displays?

Seen a lot of them recently - as vets are recommending Advocate, that could explain it.

Spero Fri 03-May-13 20:32:02

Frontline doesn't work for me - anything from supermarket been useless. So vet has me over proverbial barrel.

They do, but the makers of vet-only products also refuse to supply to anyone else who might drop the price level across the board i.e. supermarkets. Mainly because it's a stronger formulation.

The cynical may say once a product starts to lose its efficacy then the manufacturers decide it can be more widely marketed.

Get a private prescription off the vet and buy advocate off the online pharmacies.

Would the flea injection help?

You can now buy all (I think) flea products off prescription at pharmacies and in Pets at Home. They can only be sold by qualified/licenced people, but you no longer need a prescription. The law changed about two years ago I think.

I swapped to Advantage when Frontline stopped working. You can get it online without prescription. Last time I bought it, bestpet were the cheapest I could find.

PeneloPeePitstop Sat 04-May-13 10:13:18

Yep, advantage is a good one. I compare pet supermarket and hyper drug on price.

Lonecatwithkitten Sat 04-May-13 11:50:19

Just to clear up why we have to see cats an dogs for advocate.
Ordinary Frontline is what is know as a NFA-VPS so a little like the behind the counter products in the pharmacy can be sold by a suitably qualified person so either pharmacist or someone who has been on an SQP course.
Advocate, Stronghold, seresto and Frontline combo is POM-V so has to be prescribed by a veterinary surgeon who has the animal under their care. The veterinary medicines directorate are very clear that if you have not seen the animal in the last 12 months it is not under your care so even with a written prescription the animal needs to be seen in the last 12 months.
So clinics offer free check ups for flea and worm treatments - we do grin.

Fuzzymum1 Mon 06-May-13 20:43:12

I buy advantage from vetUK - it's a fraction of the cost from the vet. I do all seven of our lot once a month-six weeks and since swapping from frontline have seen only one flea and that was the day before they were treated again.

Irishmammybread Mon 06-May-13 22:36:10

If Frontline is applied correctly it should work, but it doesn't kill the fleas straight away,it can take 24hrs for the fleas to die so you can still see live fleas on the cat if it keeps picking them up from the environment.
Spraying the house will help with environmental control.
Comfortis is a new palatable tablet given once a month and is the fastest and most effective product, most fleas are dead within an hour. You also know the cat is treated effectively, sometimes a spoton can go on the hair rather than the skin and drip off and cats sometimes don't like the sensation on the back of their neck!

BobblyGussets Tue 07-May-13 22:57:25

We got Advocate from the brilliant vet surgery who saw us on Saturday morning, so Sausage didn't have to spend the bank holiday with fleas.

I hope you find something that gets rids of your fleas soon, Spero grin

Thanks everyone, you are fabulous pussy advisers.

RobinBedRest Wed 08-May-13 23:02:25

Anyone else use flea collars, I'm wondering what they have on now as they are just sold in supermarkets so presumably not licenced at all?

Spero Thu 09-May-13 13:18:44

Never known a flea collar, or anything you can buy in supermarkets to work.

Still not been arsed to make an appointment for cats, it was more of a preemptive strike as no fleas apparent yet but as soon as they arrive they all feast on my daughter and I will be officially a Bad Mother.

fergoose Sun 12-May-13 22:33:45

I buy Effipro - works a treat and good value. Can buy online too.

Spero Flea collars don't really work. Nor do any other unlicensed flea products. And what's far, far worse, some of them can actually kill your cat!

Bob Martin's used to be the worst offender. Our clinic used to regularly see cats that were convulsing that had been treated with Bob Martin's (the correct one for cats and the correct dose). The vast majority of these died. There is a lot on the internet about it. I still feel upset about two year old cats that I was sent to pick up one Christmas Eve that were convulsing after being treated. The vets cared for them right through the night but they were dead the next morning.

About a year ago Bob Martin's changed their formulation so it no longer contains the dangerous ingredient (which I've just forgotten the name of) but most of the other 'off the shelf' spot on flea products still use it.

Personally I would still boycott Bob Martin's as they knew about this problem for years but still carried on regardless, and of course all other off the shelf flea products should be avoided like the plague.

I've just found the dangerous ingredients: pyrethrin and permethrin.

Of course most cats will be fine with these, but some will react badly and can die. Even if they've previously had no trouble it doesn't mean that they will never react to it. Fergoose I've tried to look up the ingredients of Effipro but couldn't find them. If it does contain either of these ingredients then I definitely wouldn't recommend it.

cozietoesie Mon 13-May-13 07:46:47

Something called Fipronil. There's a lot of information out there about it if you have a spare day or two to do the necessary research.

fergoose Mon 13-May-13 08:34:50

Yes, it does contain fipronol. What is the problem with that ingredient?

cozietoesie Mon 13-May-13 08:42:15

I don't know if there's anything wrong with it fergoose. Just don't know. There's a lot of data emerging on it but I don't use the product so I can't set aside the time to study it.

Lonecatwithkitten Mon 13-May-13 08:46:11

Effipro is frontline in another outfit.
The new Seresto collar (prescription only from your vet) is really good lasts 8 months repels ticks and kills fleas. My cats have worn them for the last year no flea or tick seen. It actually is very well price in my clinic £30.39 which works out £3.80 per month so cheaper than most of the over the counter products.

ChewingOnLifesGristle Mon 13-May-13 08:46:25

I have always used Stronghold on my cats and (please god don't let this be tempting fate) have never seen a flea on either of them. One of them has a lot of white on him so any flea evidence would be easy to see.

It's on prescription. I get the prescription from the vet then buy it online in 6 mnth packs.

cozietoesie Mon 13-May-13 08:47:56

That's OK if your cat will wear a collar, Lonecat. All of my boys have regarded collars (however early the introduction) as a resignation issue.

VivaLeBeaver Mon 13-May-13 08:58:20

I think effipro is the same as frontline. I seem to remember comparing ingredients once.

RooneyMara Mon 13-May-13 09:21:47

You don't need to treat the house, just the pet.

fergoose Mon 13-May-13 09:54:33

oh well frontline failed for me but touch wood effipro works brilliantly on both of mine, not seen a flea on them since using it, and it is cheap too.

bonzo77 Mon 13-May-13 10:07:00

A flea collar made my old cat very subdued after about 24 hrs. I took it off and he recovered fine. My Mum's cat had the same. My current cat gets front line and advocate alternate months. When she had a very stubborn infestation we also used indorex in the house.

Lonecatwithkitten Mon 13-May-13 13:14:32

Interesting fergoose effipro is just a generic of frontline sold to vets as a cheaper option exactly the same drug in the same concentration in the same carrier nothing different.

cozietoesie Mon 13-May-13 13:20:47

Is it frontline that's starting to fail in various parts of the country? (Because then, presumably, the same would come to be true of effipro.)

fergoose Mon 13-May-13 13:42:43

I didn't realise it was the same ingredients. But I know Frontline didn't work at all, my poor old cat his flea allergy was terrible, switched to Effipro and he is fine now and no fleas, plus so much cheaper. I wonder if switching brands is the key. Is Effipro exactly the same formulation as Frontline then - nothing at all different?

cozietoesie Mon 13-May-13 13:59:30

As far as I can see, it has the same active ingredient. Is it possible that with a bit of practice, you were putting it on more accurately? (eg down to the skin as opposed to on the hair - or on a slightly better place.)

fergoose Mon 13-May-13 14:00:29

dunno - have been cat owner for over 20 years so have had plenty of practice. Oh well it works and price is good so hopefully we won't have any more fleas smile

cozietoesie Mon 13-May-13 14:07:13

Ah well. As long as it works.

BobblyGussets Wed 15-May-13 09:56:12

Just a bit of info in return for all the helpful advice and discussion from you all here: I spoke to the woman in the local independent pet supplies shop (up yours "Pets at Home")and she said she researched fleas when she got the job. Apparently, the eggs/larvae (can't remember which) can lie dormant in the house for up to three years, developing into fleas at anytime the conditions are favourable, so the house does need treating, especially corners, carpets and soft furnishings. Oh how I have loved vacuuming thoroughly all of our 28 stairs and everywhere else hmm.

bootsycollins Wed 15-May-13 09:59:57

I paid £7.50 at the vets last week for a prescription, I then bought 6 months worth of Advocat for just under £25 from an online chemist, bargain smile, I sent the prescription to their free post address and received my order within 3 days.

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