Hugs and wise words needed in Chat

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cozietoesie Wed 01-May-13 13:39:57

Thanks for linking, Sparkling.

I didn't know whether to but really feel for the owner cozie. And the poor DC.

cozietoesie Wed 01-May-13 13:57:06

Of course you should have. Difficult to be positive from the sound of it but......we'll see.

oranotherstickybun Thu 02-May-13 07:28:04

Prayers for you, your family and of course your darling cat. Really hope he's ok. X

fackinell Thu 02-May-13 12:06:35

Come on in, Zepherial. It's a safe place and we are all rooting for your kitty!! Please update us with good news. Everything's crossed!! thanks

toffeelolly Thu 02-May-13 18:31:03

Yes finger's crossed. Hope you can give us good news zep.

I think Zep must have gone. I hope everything was ok.

Zepherial Fri 03-May-13 13:14:34

Thanks for the note Cozie, I hope my other thread will follow as my update and crossness was on there.

cozietoesie Fri 03-May-13 13:16:37

Welcome Zeph. smile The other thread should follow shortly (MNHQ posted to say they would) but you can let it drift down the page if you wish.

How is he doing on basics? (Eating, sleeping, littering etc.)

Hi Zepherial. Welcome to the safe haven of The Litter Tray.

Thank you for updating on the other thread. it sounds like such a dilemma. x

Zepherial Fri 03-May-13 13:21:03

Great thanks, weirdly he is eating, pooing, talking as normal just not able to move physically but on drugs.

I am in a quandary if he can't move I don't want him to suffer but am not sure if he will recover. Our dog knows something's amiss as she keeps going to see him. Another thing is he really smells, not sure if he is able to wash himself properly.

At the moment he is Lording it up in his crate as we have moved it outside. He now has a sunshade and iced water....

limitedperiodonly Fri 03-May-13 13:22:53

Found you smile REally hard decision for you. Hope he gets better.

Zepherial Fri 03-May-13 13:24:31

smile waves at all the lovelies.

Yes I really want to keep him but I guess if he does not improve it would not be fair.

pigsDOfly Fri 03-May-13 13:25:41

Another one pleased to see you on here Zepheria. Sending good vibes to your kittie and hope to hear some good news.

cozietoesie Fri 03-May-13 13:27:35

If he's not in distress, I'd give him at least a day or two to see if there's any glimmer of improvement. Different bits of brains can sometimes take over quite complex functions with humans (eg with strokes) and that could happen to him.

The smell could be various things - I'd guess pee on his fur from when he was out and he hasn't been able to clean up. You might be able to get some pet cleaning wipes to help if he makes the medium term because that would improve the way he feels about himself.

How are the DCs at the moment?

ginpig Fri 03-May-13 13:29:18

Zeph - I was lurking on your other thread but just wanted to say that I think that there is hope.

One of our old family moggies had a couple of strokes in her dotage. Very noticeably weak on one side with severly diminshed movemnt. She could still walk, but as her left side was so weak she just walked around the room in propping herself up on her right side on the wall.

We thought about having ehr PTS but she was still eating happily, toielting normally and purring like a fiend when cuddled- so our opinion was that she was still happy and had a reasonable QoL, so we kept her. She went on for another two years or so and then died in her sleep at home two years later.

What I'm trying to say is that a loss of motor function is not the end of a happy cat. Neurological damage can take a while to improve, but it CAN improve. Don't lose hope.


Zepherial Fri 03-May-13 13:31:03

We have an app at the vets next Wednesday so I think then will be decision time.

DC's don't understand they think as he is home he will fine, oldest is saying I am going to let him die. Grrrr hormonal girl, I have had him for 12 years if I could have him forever I would.

Zepherial Fri 03-May-13 13:32:43

Thanks ginpin.

I think the vet expects a decision wed.

cozietoesie Fri 03-May-13 13:37:05

At that age, you don't always have a lot of patience so you'll have to be tolerant.

12 is just solid middle aged as far as I'm concerned. He should have a good number of years in him yet.

HazeltheMcWitch Fri 03-May-13 13:38:04

HI Zep.
Veyr sorry to read about Mr Mieaw. Sorry too that you had to see all the cuntishness on the other thread.

You mentioned wanting positive stories - I had a cat years ago who disappeared. We looked everywhere for him, and he turned up on the other side of town in a vets. He'd been in an accident, and was badly hurt. He lost a leg, quite a few teeth, he had a broken jaw, lost vision in one eye, etc etc. He also had brain damage.

He DID change, as he was an outside cat before, that used to go on walks with our dog. After, he mostly stayed in sunny spots in the house, or in the garden if it was warm. He could go upstairs, but not down! He was no longer classically beautiful, but he still was to me.

But he lived out plenty more years (8? 10? can't remember), and lived very happily in a family with children, a dog and other cats.

HazeltheMcWitch Fri 03-May-13 13:41:13

To add - it could be that he cant move much at the moment - eg he is sore and bruised, as well as a bit zonked from allt he drugs... so may be a bit whiffy at the mo. Certainly ours needed help keeping clean first (we cut his fur back round his bum), but then he gradually got more flexible. He ended up being able to keep himself clean, but there was an area on his side/back which he couldn't reach and used to get a bit matted, which we had to pay attention to.

cozietoesie Fri 03-May-13 13:49:08

Next Wednesday is actually quite timely. It should be long enough for you to make a good judgment on his condition - he'll have been home for about 5 days by then.

Zepherial Fri 03-May-13 13:51:12

Nice to hear such positive stories!

He is sitting on his favourite fluffy cushion next to me now, we have come in as I was worried he would over heat.

Zepherial Fri 03-May-13 13:53:21

What if there is no improvement and I say yes to PTS but he needs months recovery? I keep thinking about that one.

cozietoesie Fri 03-May-13 13:56:51

No-one is saying that you have to make a decision on Wednesday - just that you might have seen some signs which could help you decide. For me, much would come down to whether he was still happy enough being alive or whether he was in distress in some way.

Sounds not too bad if he's sitting beside you on a cushion, even though he might still be full of meds.

ginpig Fri 03-May-13 14:23:51

Gosh, I think making you make a decision by Weds is a bit harsh. If he has a brain injury, it would likely take longer than 7 days to improve (if it is going to).

I would still err on the side of caution on this one. If Mr Miaow is happy in himself (eating/ toileting/ purring) then I wouldn't- he may need a little extra attention for a bit, but as long as he's not in pain why not let him carry on?

It's a really hard position to be in and a difficult decision to make. I had our old family cat PTS a few years ago and I'm still gutted when I think about it. Different situation though, he was old and really quite unwell- many, many things wrong with him.

I'm so sorry your family is going through this flowers

toffeelolly Fri 03-May-13 14:40:59

So sorry zeph to hear about your little cat. Just hopeing over weekend for some inprovement .Thinking of your little cat.

Purpleknickers Fri 03-May-13 15:10:09

Zeph give your little cat lots of love and give yourself time. You don't need to decide by Wednesday. If the vet thought your cat was suffering he would have suggested PTS.

Cats do get over strokes I will keep everything crossed for you

ElephantsTeaParty Fri 03-May-13 15:13:27

Hi Zeph,

I've been following your story on the other thread and am pleased you have him at home.

I think the main thing, as other have already said, is quality of life. My last cat was very ill for the last year of her life, lost a lot of weight and barely ate, but she was happy, enjoyed the little she did eat and was still going outside and enjoying the sunshine. Give it a few days and see how Mr Miaow gets on. It may be that he never gets his old life back, but if he's happy and pain-free there's no reason to have him PTS. Maybe he'll have to be an indoor cat from now on, but if this doesn't distress him there's nothing wrong with this.

Hope he continues to improve over the weekend. Lots of attention and treats are the order of the day!

Zepherial Fri 03-May-13 17:38:42

Vet called again, I misunderstood they want him in wednesday for a check up not a decision - yay. Our vet was lovely they really liked him and said what a nice cat he is and how they all wanted him. grin

He is sleeping now the girls are going to get him up for a bit later and he has had a wash (From himself) so here's to looking on the bright side.

That sounds reassuring Zepherial. You now have the weekend to observe him and see if he is improving. Having a wash is a good sign.

cozietoesie Fri 03-May-13 17:42:57

Washing himself is an excellent sign.


Have you organized taste treats for him ?

everythinghippie29 Fri 03-May-13 17:50:53

Best of luck little fella. Sounds like he is doing well all things considered. Sending love and get well soon scritches!thanks

Zepherial Fri 03-May-13 17:57:27

We are pleased he smells better, we went a little mad on treats I have 6 packets now.

cozietoesie Fri 03-May-13 18:08:02

Roast a chicken at the weekend. That will get him going.


I suppose if we had been hit by a car 2 days ago we would be taking a while to feel like ourselves again. sad

Fluffycloudland77 Fri 03-May-13 18:48:37

Chicken livers went down well with the Persians. They went mad for them. Current cat looks at me like I'm offering him hemlock if I try him on them.

At least you've got the weekend to keep an eye on him.

cozietoesie Fri 03-May-13 18:52:57

Raw livers, Fluffy ? (Always on the lookout for something for Seniorboy.)

Fluffycloudland77 Fri 03-May-13 19:06:46

Cooked in the oven on a low heat. They went mental for them but its a once a week treat due to the richness of them.

We bought them in the freezer aisle. It's worth a try isn't it? Nice and soft on the mouth too.

cozietoesie Fri 03-May-13 19:24:28

I'll have a look for them on the next shop. (But will also google for some chicken liver recipes just in case!)

How's the wounded soldier doing Zepherial ? has he slept at all yet?

toffeelolly Fri 03-May-13 19:24:47

Zeph glad to hear he has had a little wash, that's a good sign, think and pray the little fella will be ok.

Zepherial Fri 03-May-13 19:35:47

Don't want to think too positive but he is asleep on the sofa after having a wobble round the lounge. He even jumped on the sofa and made it!

Zepherial Fri 03-May-13 19:36:29

Maybe liver for a weekend treat.

cozietoesie Fri 03-May-13 19:40:01

Sleep is really good so I'm pleased for him. I think you'll likely see improvements each time he wakes up. (Just my thought but let's see.)

Well done the Zepherial household.


Fluffycloudland77 Fri 03-May-13 19:44:26

Jumpings good. How's his appetite?

Purpleknickers Fri 03-May-13 19:49:28

Yay washing and jumping very positive x

Zepherial Fri 03-May-13 19:51:22

We are all really pleased, front leg still bad but I can live with a 3 legged cat if he is getting better.

Fluffy he is stuffing his face and eating lots of treats. Still very wobbly but unless I am imagining it he seem a tent bit better.

cozietoesie Fri 03-May-13 19:52:16

You said he's peeing and pooing OK?

Zepherial Fri 03-May-13 19:52:23

Oh dear Tiny not tent

cozietoesie Fri 03-May-13 19:53:12


You should see some of my past typos!

Zepherial Fri 03-May-13 19:53:46

He peed at the vets and has done one poo so toilet functions are looking good.

cozietoesie Fri 03-May-13 19:57:46

Excellent. That shows his internal organs are in pretty good shape.


TerrysAllGold Fri 03-May-13 20:04:08

I hope so very much that he makes as much of a recovery as is possible. We're thinking of you all here. flowers

Zepherial Fri 03-May-13 20:09:55

Thank you now having a well deserved Pimms, anyone else?

Be rude not to Zepherial. You have had a bit of a week to say the least. <chinks glass> Here's to hopefully speedy recovery.

cozietoesie Fri 03-May-13 20:15:29

I'll drink to that. Having a lazy evening here with Seniorboy giving himself a serious wash just down the way.


Sparkling Cat is busy being offended by a squirrel in the garden. Not that offended that she wants to go out though.

Fluffycloudland77 Fri 03-May-13 20:25:50

No, there's different levels of offended, she's thinking cheeky bastard more than I must murder it.

Aldi gin is fab. You must try aldi gin.

YY Fluffy she is doing the 'no effort required' offended. grin

FloresCircumdati Fri 03-May-13 20:37:14

The vet would know what kind of recovery to expect in a week. If he is eating and pooing then that's a good sign, I would have thought.

My friend's cat went missing and they found out she had been hit by a car. Came back from stay at vets with broken front leg and had to stay in a dog cage and not go outside for 4 or 5 weeks. She also wasn't allowed upstairs or to jump up so her broken leg could mend. She was smelly for the whole time, and wanted to get out but wasn't herself. She did recover, but it took longer than a week. No brain damage to her though. (My friend keeps saying she wished they'd knocked some sense into her as she still keep running across the road.)

crazynanna Fri 03-May-13 20:44:27

Been following the thread Zeph with my heart in my mouth..and a few snots and sobs blush. Do you know..I have this weird,funny feeling he's going to be ok. I don't know why. And every post you update us, he sounds, little by little, that he's

You are with friends here in the Litter Tray...and we will be with you and your boy every step of the way to his recovery. Sending love. x

ZebraOwl Fri 03-May-13 20:53:11

Oh Zeph...

Your latest updates sound as though he's already making some progress. I hope that you all have a lovely weekend & Mr Mieaw continues to improve & that you are granted many more happy years together. Even if the worst happens & he has to be PTS you have at least had him home again & will be able to say goodbye.

Personally I'd quite like to knock down the person who hit your cat & leave them too it. It is this kind of thing that means it is probably as well I don't drive really...

Wolfiefan Fri 03-May-13 21:01:10

Another one sending healing thoughts and hoping for more improvement over the weekend. Was following the last thread. Glad he's home now and hope he continues to enjoy the sun for many years!

flippinada Fri 03-May-13 21:28:29

Delighted to find this thread and thrilled to hear that Mr Mieaw is showing signs if recovery.

I agree it's a good sign if he's eating and pooing/weeing ok smile.

Fingers crossed for you!

flippinada Fri 03-May-13 21:29:12

of recovery, I mean to say!blush

Maud2011 Fri 03-May-13 21:42:48

Zepherial, what a horrible, shocking thing to happen, I'm so sorry to hear it. I am very so relieved though, that your beloved Mr Mieaw is showing signs of recovery and hoping very much that he continues to make progress.

toffeelolly Fri 03-May-13 21:59:46

Jumping, peeing and pooing, great sign's he seem's to have come on so well from 24 hours, great sign and great new's and he may well even inprove some more tomorrow. What a strong little fella you have zeph, greatwink

Maud2011 Fri 03-May-13 22:03:21

Very pleased that he is enjoying his treats, that's great news but I'd be careful about giving him liver. While I gather a little liver is OK as a treat, the high vitamin A content can be damaging and I'm just concerned about whether it might affect Mr Mieaw badly in his current rather fragile condition. I don't know either way, but it might be something to check with your vet. Best wishes from me and my two seniors smile

cozietoesie Fri 03-May-13 22:09:22

I think Fluffy said she was only giving a bit once a week, Maud. Caution noted though.


Zepherial Fri 03-May-13 22:46:57

Thank you all so much the girls had a lovely evening with him and passed him around for ages. He of course loved it and sat lapping the attention I think our dog was a bit miffed.

Daisy dog is now sleeping next to the crate and I am goin to bed with a slight headache because of the Pimms sun. I feel you all need hugs, flowers and alcohol for following my kitty tales.

cozietoesie Fri 03-May-13 22:49:03

Other way round, Zeph. You've been the one who has had to stay strong.

Sleep well.


pigsDOfly Fri 03-May-13 23:04:20

You're no doubt in bed now Zepherial, but just wanted to add to the good wishes. Been following on your other thread.

Everything he's doing sounds so positive and such an improvement. That's so good.

Keep on improving Mr Mieaw.

ratbagcatbag Sat 04-May-13 03:14:45

Joining late after night feed but so pleased with updates zeph.fingers crossed for you all.

Another late one here. I'm so pleased that things are looking promising and wishing you both all the best.

cozietoesie Sat 04-May-13 07:50:38

How's he doing this morning?


toffeelolly Sat 04-May-13 09:14:03

Zeph , hope he had a good night.

Been lurking on your threads. It's great that your cat is getting better and fingers crossed for more improvement every day smile.

cozietoesie Sat 04-May-13 23:43:07

Any news, Zeph?

Floralnomad Sun 05-May-13 10:54:06

Only just catching up on this ,hope he is still showing signs of improvement this morning X

VeganCow Sun 05-May-13 11:30:38

Hows the little man doing now, hope its going to be good news in the long run smile

Zepherial Sun 05-May-13 18:38:09

Just got back after treating the girls on such a beautiful day.

He (I think) has improved still dragging his front leg though so not feeling so great about that and his pupils have improved as well!

He defiantly has no lives left and is itching to get out his crate, last night he drove us mad crying until the wee hours.

Thanks for your continued support.

cozietoesie Sun 05-May-13 18:58:36

Well that's excellent in such a short time. Keep up the good work - and all the best for himself.


Fluffycloudland77 Sun 05-May-13 19:07:45

He's a little trooper isn't he?

toffeelolly Sun 05-May-13 20:04:13

That's great zeph , he's a little fighterwink

fackinell Tue 07-May-13 01:10:49

Just on after a few days away. Great news he's improving, Zeph!! Had my wee boy pts last year after a lot of illnesses, now feeling quite guilty that I could have given him more time but the vet (in tears, bless her) said he was in such a bad way. I wonder though...
So pleased for you though!! thanks

Purpleknickers Tue 07-May-13 08:39:08

Good positive updates Zeph fingers crossed it stays that way. My friends cat has just 3 legs and manages just fine, Fingers crossed your little cat keeps all 4 and its just sore but if the worst happens they do cope just fine with 3 legs

BerylStreep Tue 07-May-13 16:17:49

Glad to hear he is improving.

cozietoesie Tue 07-May-13 18:59:10

All the best for the vet tomorrow.


How's things Zeph?

sad Hope everything is ok Zeph

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