We're probably getting a rescue cat soon. What do we need to buy and how much will upkeep cost?

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QueenStromba Sun 10-Feb-13 16:45:08

We're moving soon and have found a flat that we're close to signing the contracts on where the landlord is willing for us to have a cat. If it all goes through we'll be getting an adult cat from Battersea. What do we need to buy and where is the best place to buy from? So far we're thinking:

Transport cage
Litter tray
Scratching post (which will probably be ignored in favour of the sofa)
Cat toys
Food and water bowls

I'm thinking a cat bed would just be ignored in favour of climbing all over us while we're trying to sleep, the sofa, the laptop, whatever point on the carpet the sun is hitting. Should we get one anyway?

Also, neither of us has owned a cat as an adult (we both had them as kids - DP for longer) so we have no idea how much it costs to feed them (is it a whole tin or half a tin a day?), insure them and how much vet bills will cost. How does microchipping work? Is it just the one off cost or is there a yearly charge or just a charge if you change any details etc?

BagCat Sun 10-Feb-13 16:59:29

Try and get a littler tray like this: www.petwarehouse.co.uk/large-litter-tray-with-hood-lid-odour-filter-handle-door-flap-for-cat-pet-dog-made-in-italy-blue-white/ They are great at keeping any smell contained and you don't have a yukky tray lying exposed. They are great! Keep the tray clan as much as possible and that encourages the cat not to do the loo anywhere else. Cats are exceptionally clean and love to have a clean toilet.

Pets at home I find quite expensive, so only buy the mega packs of litter from there. Flea treatment should be done every 4-5 weeks if your cat is going to be going outdoors. The best one is called Frontline and you get multipacks of it online. It's a little pipette, you just squeeze it on the back of the neck and the skin absorbs it. Also, worming should be done every 3 months, again, if your cat is going outside.

M&S insurance for our cat is £7.99 a month but M&S will pay meds for life if needed. Lots of insurers will only cover meds for a year (let's say if your cat was to end up diabteic or something, can be very expensive). Vet bills (operations can easy cost literally thousands) are an arm and a leg so would defo recommend insurance. The yearly combo flu/luekemia jab is around £30 and a check up £16 if needed (from my vet).

If getting a rescue cat, it will probably already be microchipped. There is no yearly charge for this. All you do is complete the change of address form that you will be provided with and send it off.

My cat eats 2 pouches a day (sometimes only 1), she is quite small but we also have a bowl of kibble biscuits out for her to munch on, so she has a bit of both. Plenty of water should be available but it will probably end up drinking from puddles and dripping taps grin

You're doing a great thing and will get so much pleasure from having a new little friend smile They all have different personalities and it's a fab thing to be able to give them a nice life.

IAmNotAMindReader Sun 10-Feb-13 17:14:30

Dreamies cat treats are kitty crack.

Forget cat beds they will be pointedly ignored, perhaps slept next ot to illustrate displeasure in a "Look I'm so disgusted with your offering of sleeping arrangements I would rather sleep on the cold, hard draughty floor next to the cat bed."

Wet food is commonly 375 - 400g a day and if feeding dry it will give reccomended amounts on the box.
Cat insurance isnt much about £7 - £10 a month. Neutering is inexpensive, at about £45 - £65 depending on whether it is neutering or spaying and cost varies from area to area.

Flea treatments something like advocate is a spot on multispectrum parasite killer, dabbed on monthly and used in conjuction with quarterly worming and vaccinations means you cat is likely to remain healthy and disease free. Your vet will advise you on the best courses available for you.

Oh yes, you don't own a cat. You are now cat staff.

QueenStromba Sun 10-Feb-13 17:38:41

Thanks for the tips BagCat - especially the insurance and litter tray. I've been massively broody for a cat for years which is the only reason we want this place and are willing to pay a small fortune in extra rent to get it.

Thanks IAmNotAMindReader. I think we'll be asking Cattersea for a cat that's already been neutered to minimise it's displeasure at us. We know full well that we'll be cat slaves which are easily replaced if we're not up to par smile The flat is currently unfurnished and the landlords are letting us pick the furniture out - we were trying to decide earlier if we should get a double or king-sized cat bed!

BagCat Sun 10-Feb-13 17:42:44

Laughing at 'you are now cat staff' grin So true!

QueenStromba Sun 10-Feb-13 17:42:49

Oh - forgot to ask. How often will the litter tray need cleaning assuming that the cat decides that going outdoors is beneath it? How much litter would that equate to in a month?

Ponders Sun 10-Feb-13 17:45:34

one of our cats sleeps on the dining table grin so no, a bed is def not essential. We used to have a short scratching pole when they were kittens which they used briefly & then ignored, but the one we have now is about 3' tall & they do like that - after a good scratch they run up it & perch on the top like a vulture.

I have this litter tray from zooplus. The tray has its own scoop, which tucks away under the filter lid in the top, & zooplus is great - loads of choice at v good prices, quick delivery & no need to lug tons of food & litter home with you.

Our cats are 8 months old now. They eat 2-3 small tins daily between them - atm it's animonda carny from zooplus, £1.50-£2 a day, plus one bowl of biscuits - Royal Canin neutered female, a 1.5kg bag costs c £11, I don't know how much a bowlful weighs though. 50p a day? maybe less

One 5 kg bag of crystal cat litter only lasts 1 week because mine wee a lot, but according to the reviews it should last longer. It's normally between £3.60 & £4.50 a bag but they've got 3 for 2 atm so £3 per bag. It's much nicer to use than ordinary

Insurance is £13 for 2 from Argos (& there was £20 cashback with topcashback)

ooh, you can save on the furniture scratch damage if you get some claw clippers like these

I can't remember how much all the vet bills have been. Ours weren't rescue as such (just moggies a friend needed to find homes for) so we've had to pay for vaccination, neutering & microchipping ourselves - maybe £300 all in, I think the vacs were either £50 or £70 per cat.

Advocate works for fleas and worms & you don't have to try to get a pill into them which is brilliant! It's prescription only; you can get it much cheaper online, but it's only worth it if the vet will give you a reasonably priced prescription for a reasonable length of time. Ours charges £12.50 for one prescription for 6 doses; they "negotiated a discount" with Bayer so the net cost ended up the same hmm - £6 per cat per dose

You will need a carrier for trips to the vet, kennels etc. Ours sometimes sits around downstairs & they sleep in it voluntarily so it isn't full of horrors for them when we do need to take them somewnere.

You will end up buying lots of toys too. They play quite happily with eg aerosol tops, scrunched-up balls of sellotape (the entire contents of the waste paper basket in fact) & ping-pong balls, but little squidgy things to "kill" are very popular & you have to get a laser pen, it's the law! They also love computer keyboards, hessian shopping bags & cardboard boxes.

Ours are utterly different from each other, fascinating, hilarious & wonderful. You will have such a good time!

(I appear to have written an essay - sorry grin)

All good points made above. I would really recommend the Willows Scratch Box from Pets at Home instead of a scratching post http://www.petsathome.com/shop/willows-catnip-scratchbox-102077

That one is £8 and there is a more basic one for about £5. All cats seem to love them and use them (whereas not many seem to bother with the poles unless they're enormous) and they even like to sleep on them.

Also when buying a carrier make sure you get one with a metal grill/door rather than plastic as the plastic ones aren't study enough to keep some strong/panic stricken cats in, which can lead to disasters.

Also, if you're going to be out a lot, a pair of cats might be a better idea so that they can play together and keep each other company. Just a thought ...

IAmNotAMindReader Sun 10-Feb-13 19:12:06

With regards litter changing it can depend on what type you use.
clumping and paper based about twice a week (and can set like concrete) and most of the others around once a week (bearing in mind to scoop out crap daily). The most expensive ones say you can go a couple of weeks between changes because the crystals dehydrate averything, although I'd play it by ear and the snap crackle and popping from them when introduced to moisture may freak your cat out.
Everyone has their favoirites we used wood pellets which break down into sawdust, are antibacterial and have a natural smelling pine scent (not sure how much of it is truly natural though).

QueenStromba Sun 10-Feb-13 19:23:45

Thanks guys. This is why I love Mumsnet - my DP said "surely someone else has already asked all of these questions - shouldn't you just go looking for the answers?". I had to explain to him that Mumsnetters love giving personalised advice and support.

I was thinking of something like this rather than just a scratching pole - would most cats like that or is it likely to get ignored? I'll definitely take the tip and get the willows catnip one too because I'd rather not have to replace half of the landlords' furniture if it can be avoided with an £8 purchase! I really don't fancy trying to cut their claws unless they turn out to be really docile like this one!

I'm currently working from home so for the the first few months at least the cat will have company all day most days. If I'm out for work then I might be out all day (very unlikely) but DP can come home for an hour at lunch but I'm more likely to just be out for 4-5 hours in the afternoon. We might be out for 3-4 hours in the evening a couple of times a week. So I don't think we'd need two to begin with. How difficult is it to add another cat to the household if I get a full time job and the first cat seems lonely?

I think you might be wasting your money with that scratching pole. Some cats might like it but I can imagine a lot ignoriing it, whereas the Willows ones seem to be loved by all cats and are £40 cheaper!

Your cat should be fine for company then. If you're going to get two cats then it's always easier to adopt a bonded pair from the beginning. However it isn't generally that difficult to add another cat later. The shelter will be able to find you a second cat that seems to like other cats, but of course your first cat might object at first. Generally there is always a couple of weeks of hissing but they then come round and end up anywhere on the spectrum from tolerating each other to being inseperable. But there are a small minority of cats that really do hate other cats, and if your first cat is one of those then he'll be happier being on his own. Again Battersea should be able to tell you if the cat you adopt seems to be anti or pro-cat generallysmile

Fluffycloudland77 Sun 10-Feb-13 19:51:54

Chick crumb can be used as cat litter, it's less smelly and is quite small size chunks so its soft on paws.

I use black farm gate, there's a list of suppliers on the website. It's £8 for 20kg and lasts ages.

QueenStromba Mon 11-Feb-13 18:14:15

It really looks like it's happening smile We're just waiting for my supervisor and our current landlady to get back with references.

What should we look for when picking a cat? Is a young, affectionate cat likely to become more standoffish as it gets older? Also, how much is the difference in insurance premiums between a young cat and an older cat? It would be a bit of a shock to be thinking a tenner a month for insurance then come out with a 10 year old costing £50. I'm sure all sensibleness will go out of the window once we find a cat we love but it would be nice to know what we're getting ourselves in for.

How does this look as a shopping list for non-consumables?

Litter box

Food/water dish I'm thinking 3-4 of these so we can stick the food dish in the dishwasher between uses

Cat carrier

Toy

And of course the willows scratch box smile

Can anyone recommend some good toys and is it worth getting some feliway?

best cat toys are a piece of string or a dangly thing on a stick!
Don't go buying expensive toys as your cat probably won't play with them. Ditto beds although all the cats I have had love cardboard boxes

insurance premiums will go up dramatically once the cat is over 7...or it might be 8. My cats aren't insured but my dogs are.

A young affectionate cat won't necessarily get stand offish as it gets older. It all depends on how much cuddling, handling it gets, although some cats are naturally stand offish and less cuddly. i have 3 cats, all related, only one will sleep on my lap the moment I sit down regularly, although all of them are cuddly.

My cats just have a basic scratching post, more than one might be a good idea as mine do like to use the table leg and chair backs too!

I use Sainsbury's clumping cat litter, and when it's snowy or really wet I have to clean it out at least once a day. More at the moment as i have a small puppy who likes to clean it out too ..ewwww. I buy a bag a week and only completely empty the tray and scrub it out about every couple of months.

I had feeding bowls like the ones you have linked to and I found them a bit shallow. The cats would flick or push the food out whilst eating and make a mess. I bought these basic metal camping bowls which I have found much better.

How exciting for you
I love cats grin

That sounds like a reasonable list.

As you are going to be living in a flat, not a house with a garden, I'm sure Battersea will point you towards cats that, for one reason or another, shouldn't go outside who don't appear to want to.

I'm with the Celia Hammond Animal Trust in London and we have cats specifically advertised on our website as 'flat cats'. I imagine Battersea will do the same. That is going to be your most important factor when choosing a cat.

I've never known initially friendly cats to become less friendly, but of course a lot of shy cats end up being very friendly.

You may find this information on our website on rehoming useful and of course applies equally to cats adopted from any rescue centres: http://www.celiahammond.org/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=40&MMN_position=67:67

QueenStromba Mon 11-Feb-13 18:59:35

Thanks. I really want a cat who'd be straight on my lap the second I sit on the sofa - my father had one like that who I adored. Our neighbours in the last place got a young cat who at first would always come to say hi and have a pet when we were in the garden. As time went on she got less friendly and I was wondering if that was due to lack of attention/mistreatment by the owners of if that was just something that cats do sometimes.

I'm massively excited but my DP won't let me really talk about it until the contract is signed. I can see his point but I'm ready to explode here!

QueenStromba Mon 11-Feb-13 19:06:07

We're actually getting a bit of a strange flat thecatneuterer. We'll be third floor but the stairs to the flats are on the outside of the building and the landlords are happy to put a cat flap in so the cat will be able to get outside. We're in the town centre though so it would have to be a cat that already knows not to go near busy roads.

BagCat Mon 11-Feb-13 19:16:23

Aw, this is is exciting for you!

As for toys, a piece of string, shoelace, long piece of wool, ball of tin foil, anything like that they can chase. Fishing rod toys are good to keep the claws away from your hands smile Also the laser pen someone mentioned above is great, but I have read they can get frustrated because they can't 'catch' it - so keep a couple of little biscuits and give them at the end of play to distract them after the laser.

My cat hates balls. She loves wool and licking furry things and anything with feathers (yuk). I guess a bit is trial and error to see what they like.

Rub a bit of catnip on the scratch pole, that will encourage him/her to use it straight away. You also get little mice that have a velcro belly and you can stuff a bit of catnip inside, my cat loves them too.

You will know your cat when you see it.....or rather your cat will choose you grin

Am keeping my fingers well crossed for you.

QueenStromba Mon 11-Feb-13 19:27:20

Thanks BagCat smile

I'm sure we're getting the flat. We got on really well with the landlords straight away and they have four cats themselves so understand us wanting the flat because they'll let us have a cat. They seem really keen to rent to us and have bent over backwards giving us a discount for the first couple of months, changing the contract to our specifications, offering us a 6 month break clause without them having one, letting us in unattended to measure up for furniture they're letting us pick etc. My DP is just a buzzkill pessimist and isn't letting me plan until we've signed the contracts.

BIWI Mon 11-Feb-13 19:31:49

How exciting, and how lovely! I can't imagine living without cats in the house.

The only thing I would add is that whatever you buy specifically for the cat will be totally ignored.

And definitely agree, the cat will choose you. Good luck with it!

Do keep us updated (with photos smile ) won't you?

Ponders Mon 11-Feb-13 20:49:57

my cats do play with actual toys sometimes, as well as the bits of string, balls of paper & other random delights.

hessian-covered balls & mice are good, they enjoy getting their claws into those. as with small children, you can put toys away for a bit, then get them out again & they are greeted like new friends wink

this one got one of mine so excited she literally ran completely out of energy & had to lie down afterwards grin - it's on elastic, I had it dangling about a foot off the floor, she was turning 180 degree somersaults trying to catch it every time it slipped out of her claws.

Ponders Mon 11-Feb-13 20:55:42

when do you sign the contracts, QueenStromba?

QueenStromba Mon 11-Feb-13 21:27:59

Don't worry, there'll be lots of photos and probably a video or two - I personally think it's very bad form to post about getting a cat and then not put pictures up!

We're just waiting for the references to come back Ponders, so I'd guess Wednesday or Thursday. I've added that toy to the shopping list.

QueenStromba Wed 13-Feb-13 14:10:17

We're signing the contract tonight! And DP still won't let me talk about the cat. I think I might have already picked one though blush

It's this one - she sounds lovely and doesn't need a garden.

BIWI Wed 13-Feb-13 14:11:53

Oh that profile is really sad - hopefully you will be her last and best home. She looks lovely.

Ponders Wed 13-Feb-13 14:35:07

ooooh, exciting

& Sophie does look lovely, QS

fingers crossed for you all smile

She looks like she'd make a lovely 'flat' cat.

BagCat Wed 13-Feb-13 16:42:03

Awwww, she is very pretty indeed smile

Fluffycloudland77 Wed 13-Feb-13 17:09:23

She's had a rough start in life hasn't she. I hope you get her and give her a good life.

<baleful stare at own cat who won't make friends with other cats sad>

QueenStromba Wed 13-Feb-13 17:30:47

She's lovely isn't she? I just know that DP won't let me talk about a specific cat even after we've signed though. It's going to drive me mental having to wait until Saturday morning to go to Battersea!

QueenStromba Fri 15-Feb-13 08:54:44

Aw. Sophie is now showing up on the website as rehomed. Hope she found a nice family or that they reconsider before they take her home so we can have her. The only other two indoor cats on their website at the moment both say "Prospective owners will need to speak to a Battersea vet prior to rehoming". Would someone who's never had cats as an adult be able to cope with say pills or injections every day? Do cats get better at complying when they're used to it or would it be a struggle to get it done every day?

Fluffycloudland77 Fri 15-Feb-13 09:04:45

It depends on the tablet, mines ok with antibiotics but won't eat milbemax wormer anymore. Some medications can be crushed into food safely.

Injections they take really well, I give injections at work and the trick is to go in fairly swiftly because once your under the dermis it doesn't hurt as much.

There's loads of cats on that site I wouldn't mind having.

Ponders Fri 15-Feb-13 10:43:02

awww - shame about Sophie

you could try other animal shelters, QS

Wood Green (though most of theirs are kept at the 2 centres outside London)

the Mayhew

Celia Hammond

Cats Protection

RSPCA

QueenStromba Fri 15-Feb-13 12:15:00

We're still going down to Battersea tomorrow. They probably have more cats than are on the website and if not we can sort out the registration and have them call us if a suitable one comes in. They may well be willing to give us a sensible outdoor cat once they've seen the flat anyway.

I've filled out the web form for Cats protection and am filling out one for the Mayhew now. Getting a pair from Celia Hammond also looks like an option if nothing else works out - their website says they're willing to house young cats in pairs to indoor homes if they haven't been outdoor cats before. DP will need some persuading on that one even though he's happy to get a second cat to keep the first company when I finish my thesis and get a job.

BIWI Fri 15-Feb-13 12:35:30

Have you been to Battersea before? We went when we were getting our cats (13 years ago now - so it's possible things may have changed!). They interviewed us, and questions I remember them asking was if we had any idea how much it would cost to keep a cat - so might be worth having that up your sleeve - e.g. cost for annual vaccinations, insurance (if you can get any/want to take it out) and weekly food

QueenStromba Fri 15-Feb-13 12:48:19

I was thinking:
Food: £3-£15 a week depending on if they'll eat own brand tins or insist on Sheba pouches
Insurance: £8-15 a month depending on age
Vaccinations: £50 a year
Frontline: £50 a year
Litter: £20 a month

QueenStromba Fri 15-Feb-13 12:49:53

Oops, meant to say that I haven't been before but they still do interviews and home visits so I'm expecting a proper grilling!

Fluffycloudland77 Fri 15-Feb-13 14:04:48

We pay £35 a year for vaccinations using purevax which is meant to be better, I forget why.

Chick crumb has cost me £5 since the beginning of January. The rise in home chicken keeping has made it readily available and it doesn't smell. It is also flushable which cat litter isn't so no nappy bags to buy either.

Frontline isn't working out for everyone these days so Advocate is being used more, plus stronghold or there are flea injections they can have too. Advocate worms them too. I get ours off an online pharmacy using a private px.

I personally wouldn't get a young cat to be a house cat I'd go for a cat who isn't interested in going out. If the cat isn happy they shred furniture and wee where they shouldn't.

QueenStromba Fri 15-Feb-13 14:07:47

I've just realised something from the Mayhew questionnaire. I'm allergic to cats when I've not been around them for a while but it goes away after a few days of being around them so when I go to the homes my eyes are likely to start streaming like mad and I'll have a sneezing fit or two. Are they likely to believe me that I'm actually fine once I've been around them for a while or will they just not let us have a cat?

Fluffycloudland77 Fri 15-Feb-13 14:11:46

You don't have to tell them.

Dh is the same, he's ok with our cat. The cat sleeps on the bed too.

QueenStromba Fri 15-Feb-13 14:16:51

I'll dose up on piriton before we go then smile

All the shelters have many, many more cats than are on their website.

As for how diffcult it is to medicate - it really all depends on the cat. If your cat loves a particular food then its generally very easy to crush up or hide a tablet in a little bit of that food. This is more of a problem with cats who will only eat dried food as then you can't hide the pills. Some cats just let you open their mouths and stick a pill in. With other cats you might lose an eye trying it! Injections are really, really easy, even with difficult cat. A vet will show you how and then really anyone can do it.

Celia Hammonds certainly do home quite a lot of indoor cats (or 'flat cats' as we call them), the problem is that West London is outside our catchment area as we always do homechecks. We do, very occasionally, home outside that area, but there are so many shelters in your area, for example the Mayhew, that it would probably be easier to try those first.

Ponders Fri 15-Feb-13 16:21:53

Effipro flea treatment from vetuk.co.uk - £9 for 4 doses

I don't know if the warnings about Frontline also apply to this

Advocate is worth the extra though, I think - it seems to be more effective more quickly and after the last dose it was nearly 2 months before we started scratching again grin

Ponders Fri 15-Feb-13 16:33:10

oh, cat litter here is £3-4 a week; that's with the relatively expensive crystals, & 2 cats who wee a lot (or maybe just one who wees a lot, I can't tell who's responsible but I usually only see one drinking regularly). with just one cat, who might well not wee as much, your monthly litter cost would probably be much less

one of my DDs has always been a bit allergic to cats & hers sometimes flares up when she visits, but we keep antihistamines here & she takes one if it starts & that knocks it on the head, so taking some before you visit is a great idea smile

really looking forward to hearing how you get on!

QueenStromba Fri 15-Feb-13 17:27:20

Thanks guys! I'm so excited about tomorrow.

I've been to boots and got some nasal spray and eye drops to go with my piriton. It feels really deceptive but I don't want them thinking that the reaction I'll probably have to a hundred cats after not being around one for years is in anyway indicative of how I'll be after a few days with my new master.

BIWI Fri 15-Feb-13 17:57:30

I don't know if you've seen this, but just to get you in the mood!

QueenStromba Fri 15-Feb-13 18:18:50

I'll definitely explode if I watch kittencam for too long! I'm going to try to not think about cats for the rest of the day in fact.

Fluffycloudland77 Fri 15-Feb-13 18:24:28

The main thing is to not touch your eyes after fussing them.

QueenStromba Sat 16-Feb-13 13:24:17

We've had our interview and they're going to send someone out to assess the flat once we move to see what type of cat we can have. She didn't seem to think the outside space situation was too much of a problem, she just said we'd need at least a one year old. She also suggested we get unpacked and settled in before we come back for rehoming which is a great incentive to get the flat sorted quickly. We went up to have a nosey at the cats and I didn't react to them so maybe I've grown out of that allergy. They were all lovely so picking one will be a hard decision, especially if we don't need to get an indoor cat.

QueenStromba Wed 27-Feb-13 10:21:02

Our home visit is booked in for tomorrow! Anyone know what I should expect?

BIWI Wed 27-Feb-13 10:23:38

I don't, but very good luck!

It's no big deal. They'll mainly be looking at access to the road and whether you've got the sort of windows that a cat is likely to leap out of, and if she will advise on what to do about them. Don't go overboard on the cleaning/tidying. When i do home visits I always worry if the place looks like a show home as I worry they'll be the sort of people who will freak out if the cat scratches something or they won't be able to cope with having a litter tray. It's far better to have a 'relaxed' sort of home. But really the visit is about whether you should have an indoor or an outdoor cat and if there will be any unruly children/dogs etc to contend with, and that's about it.

if so, not 'if she'

QueenStromba Wed 27-Feb-13 15:19:23

Thanks. You've been so helpful. If we ever meet I'll buy you a drink but in the mean time a small donation to Celia Hammond will have to do.

That's very kind. Thank you. And I look forward to updates.

QueenStromba Thu 28-Feb-13 21:54:38

We've had our home visit and the nice lady thinks we should have a flat cat. The only problem she had other than the outside area was our living room window being dangerous if we opened it but we have an openable skylight anyway.

We're doing the big move at the weekend so should have everything unpacked and be ready to pick a cat by Saturday week. I've already ordered the essentials and have taken the advice on Dreamies and chick crumb.

That's great. And I think a flat cat sounds like a very sensible idea. You must be very excited and broody now then smile

And there are things you can do about problem windows (If they're not bays) - such as make a hinged wood frame and cover in chicken wire and put it over your window. It doesn't look very pretty but it does the job and can easily be removed when you leave.

Another thing QueenStromba - you mentioned making a small donation to Celia Hammonds, which is very kind, so I thought you might be interested to know about EasyFundraising, which is a way of raising money for charities when you shop online. If you download the toolbar then everytime you go onto a site that is taking part (including Amazon, PetSupermarket and PetsatHome) the toolbar will flash. Then you just click the toolbar and shop as normal, and the site will give a percentage of what you spend to your chosen chairty. I've only been using it for a few months and I've already raised over £20 that way and with no effort or cost to me. Here's the link
www.easyfundraising.org.uk/causes/celiahammond Sorry for the shameless plug but charities need funds and it seems a shame not to take advantage of what is basically free money!

I really really think you should get two cats but I might be slightly biased

sashh Fri 01-Mar-13 04:20:13

What a pretty kitty

QueenStromba Fri 01-Mar-13 09:39:52

I wish I'd known about easy fundraising yesterday - I spent a small fortune at pet planet! Thanks for the tip about the chicken wire. DP isn't too keen on the idea but he might change his mind if we get too hot in the summer.

I agree that we need two cats but DP has vetoed it for now because he thinks it would be easier to start with one even though I'll be the one who ends up doing all of the practical stuff.

Ponders Sun 03-Mar-13 14:07:59

two cats will be less trouble IME grin

(twice the expense, obv, but much easier apart from that)

QueenStromba Mon 04-Mar-13 10:15:30

That's exactly what I've been trying to tell him but he's not having any of it. He's a stubborn git sometimes.

I've an idea. Post about his stubborn gitishness in Relationships - they will all tell you to LTB and exactly how, then you can fill you flat with 20 cats smile

QueenStromba Thu 07-Mar-13 16:41:06

Good plan, but I loves him and wouldn't be able to feed myself let alone 20 cats if I left him.

Is it worth getting feliway? If so, diffuser, spray or both? We want the cat to be as happy as possible.

cozietoesie Thu 07-Mar-13 17:11:27

I reckon that with a single cat coming you should be OK without it. Just have some nice nosh and a clean litter tray.

When is C Day? Saturday?

QueenStromba Fri 08-Mar-13 11:28:15

Tomorrow if Battersea have one we like! Squee!!!!!!

cozietoesie Fri 08-Mar-13 11:31:57

Your problem will be not taking home 6!

Have fun.

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QueenStromba Fri 08-Mar-13 11:48:01

I actually had a dream last night that they only had one indoor lap cat. I really liked him but DP vetoed him sad

cozietoesie Fri 08-Mar-13 12:24:44

There's anxiety for you. Don't worry - if your cat isn't already waiting at Battersea, there are dozens of shelters all over the South East who would be crawling through rough scrub to get at you and invite you to meet their residents !

smile

QueenStromba Fri 08-Mar-13 18:44:01

I'm so excited! I've spent the day tidying the living room and have put the litter tray in one corner and food dishes and a scratching post in another. The Battersea website has two indoor cats listed, both of whom are described as affectionate - one is even described as loving cuddles and laps and has the same name as my childhood cat! It's really looking like we'll have a cat this time tomorrow!

I've got a couple more questions now. We got a covered litter tray - I'm guessing it would be best to leave the top off it for a while until they get used to it? Also, would it be better to drive or take the train? I've only got a two seater car so the carrier would have to go in the passenger footwell where we wouldn't really be able to interact with the cat. On the train we'd be able to reassure the cat and the ride would be smoother but it might be more overwhelming. The journey would be about the same length either way.

How exciting.

Yes, leave the lid of the tray for a couple of days. And definitely car, not train. Trains are very noisy with lots and lots of people and things happening. A car ride would be far less stressful.

QueenStromba Fri 08-Mar-13 19:18:20

Thank you smile

QueenStromba Fri 08-Mar-13 19:24:56

Come to think of it, it's probably safer to get a taxi - I'm going to be far more interested in the cat than the road!

cozietoesie Fri 08-Mar-13 19:46:43

Remember - although you're so excited - to let the cat make the pace when you get it home. However difficult it may be (because you'll want to see how she likes the flat) it's best to just plonk yourself on the couch with a book or music or something and let her roam around finding her new territory. Talk to her gently of course so that she becomes used to your voice. Your calm and restfulness will be reassuring to her.

Have fun - and let us know how it goes tomorrow.

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DewDr0p Fri 08-Mar-13 20:01:44

Ooh good luck for tomorrow OP. cozie's post just reminded me. Our cat (who is an old lady now) was very very quiet at first. Then I remember suddenly she decided she was settled and had a total mad half hour, tearing everywhere around the place and generally going beserk. I called my cat expert friend and said I think I've broken the cat and she laughed and said no I think she's settled in.

Have fun!

QueenStromba Sat 09-Mar-13 08:47:23

It is going to be hard to contain my excitement but we're prepared to give the cat some space. DP is still in bed - I need to go and poke him again because I want to leave here at 9.30 so we get there before 10.30 and get first dibs on the cats.

cozietoesie Sat 09-Mar-13 09:04:55

Remember - you'll need to post a picture of her when you get her back!

Lots of luck - and keep calm.

smile

QueenStromba Sat 09-Mar-13 12:35:46

This is Rice she's our cat! She picked us rather than the other way around smile We've just got her home, she had a play with a toy and now she's having some quiet time.

Ponders Sat 09-Mar-13 12:37:51

she is gorgeous, QS - what a beautiful face! smile

Ponders Sat 09-Mar-13 12:42:42

do tell about her choosing you!

QueenStromba Sat 09-Mar-13 13:04:57

She came up to the door to meet us and then wouldn't shut up while we were being told about her and was all over us once we went in. She seems to be settling in already. We've just been climbed on and head butted for attention.

Wineandchoccy Sat 09-Mar-13 13:06:29

She is lovely and nice to see an elderly cat getting a new home to be spoilt in!

cozietoesie Sat 09-Mar-13 13:37:37

She is just lovely! And as Wineandchoccy said - so nice to see an older cat getting a new home. My own boy is 18 and still going strong (with just a little arthritis which is controllable) so you could have many years with her.

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QueenStromba Sat 09-Mar-13 13:53:20

Battersea couldn't find anything wrong with her except her teeth and she's pretty lively - she definitely doesn't seem old.

BIWI Sat 09-Mar-13 13:55:45

Aw! She's lovely. Congratulations on being chosen by her. smile

elfycat Sat 09-Mar-13 14:13:03

Awww, she's beautiful.

My first cat was older when I got her (19), her elderly owner had died and her daughter had asthma, triggered by cats. We worked for the same company and she put a plea out for a home before she had to find a cathome to take her.

I'd just bought my first little house (all the renters had been no pets. I now rent out this house and I do allow pets) and the timing was perfect. She was an indoor cat but she was great in a basket on the train and I'd take her to visit my parents.

A home is so much more when you share with a cat. And she sounds like she was waiting for you.

QueenStromba Sat 09-Mar-13 14:29:04

Rice is now acting like she's always been here. I've put some photos on my profile.

Ponders Sat 09-Mar-13 14:31:28

smile

she does look right at home!

elfycat Sat 09-Mar-13 14:34:04

So is DP now talking about having another? wink

cozietoesie Sat 09-Mar-13 14:37:26

She looks quite the lady of the house. Has she used her tray or eaten/drunk yet?

As she's older, she likely will have indifferent teeth (although even young animals are getting tooth problems these days.) My boy had to have a dental procedure at 16 because his teeth were so horrible but came through with flying colours - and so far, touch wood, with no significant recurrence. (Although he has precious few teeth left to go wrong now!) You and your vet will need to keep a weather eye on those.

She's doing great.

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Fluffycloudland77 Sat 09-Mar-13 14:47:14

She's got such a pretty face, I love black and white cats.

I'm so glad you gave her a home.

QueenStromba Sat 09-Mar-13 14:55:23

No mention of another cat yet. She's eating some biscuits now. Battersea had to pull a few teeth but she seems over it.

cozietoesie Sat 09-Mar-13 15:01:16

Ah - if they've already done a dental, that's great.

So - you've still to go through First Use Of Litter Tray. That's always a tense period - kitten or grown cat! Fingers crossed for you.

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SnowyWellies Sat 09-Mar-13 15:10:11

Oh she is lovely! Congratulations.

So nice also to see an older cat getting a home.

YY to dreamies being kitty crack. I have NO idea what they put in them- but our rescue cat also goes mad. I hear a plaintive cry from DH (who is a softer touch than me) several times a day - 'NO Claude. I am NOT going to spend my life feeding you Dreamies'.

QueenStromba Sat 09-Mar-13 15:45:41

I really think Battersea added 10 years to her age - she's just gone made playing with a balled up bit of paper.

elfycat Sat 09-Mar-13 16:29:34

They might have based her age partly on tooth condition. I have a 5 year old cat who needed a tooth out/clean and an 11 year old who never needed a clean up. So maybe a few years younger but still not a youngster.

New lease of life is my bet grin

cozietoesie Sat 09-Mar-13 17:34:14

Have you decided where you're going to offer her to sleep tonight? (ie - which side of the bed!)

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QueenStromba Sat 09-Mar-13 17:36:50

Battersea said not to bother trying to feed her a pouch today because she'd probably have no appetite but she was a bit yowly so I tried giving her half a pouch which she wolfed down along with most of the other half then promptly curled up on the sofa for a snooze. She also insisted on seeing the bedroom and sat on the window sill for a spot of cat telly. She's definitely not traumatised by the move at all. I think she's quite happy with her choice of staff.

How much and how often should we be feeding her wet food? We'll keep biscuits down for her at all times but she really seems to prefer wet food, possibly due to her teeth. She's small and also quite thin - I'd like to put some meat on her bones if possible.

QueenStromba Sat 09-Mar-13 17:44:43

She'll probably end up in the middle - we're used to a much smaller bed so there's a big gap between us at the moment. She also seems to like us equally so will spend a bit of time with me and then go over and say hi to DP. She's barely stopped purring since she got here smile

Fluffycloudland77 Sat 09-Mar-13 17:45:37

She must be so happy to be out of her pen though.

cozietoesie Sat 09-Mar-13 17:51:35

Yep - her teeth might make it a little difficult to enjoy dried food so I'd leave some biscuits down (they won't go off quickly) but favour wet food.

2 or 3 pouches a day I would say depending on how active she is - which with her age and her being a house cat is likely to be on the lesser side. But you'll be able to judge when you get to know her. She might be a self-limiting cat which will make life easier for you. (No diets to enforce - you may want to put some meat on her bones but, equally, you won't want a fatty chops.)

As she's an older house cat, my inclination would be to give her her food in several meals (say - half or 2/3 pouches) on several occasions per day if the timing suits your and DP's living and working arrangements. That gives her interest throughout the day and means a steady flow of food through the body. Seniorboy has four meals (breakfast, lunch, tea and supper) but that's just what suits him. You'll find out what suits her soon enough.

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cozietoesie Sat 09-Mar-13 17:54:08

....She's barely stopped purring since she got here......

Awwww

smile

Awww indeed. I've been thinking about you today. So glad to hear it's all gone so well.

QueenStromba Sat 09-Mar-13 18:31:42

Thanks guys. We're over the moon with her. We've had to laugh at Battersea's suggestion that even if she came over to us we should only give her a couple of strokes and then stop - that just results in headbutting!

Should we be worried that she hasn't used the litter tray yet? How often to cats go? And she was microchipped today which didn't bother her even at the time - how long should we be careful of it?

cozietoesie Sat 09-Mar-13 18:36:37

I wouldn't worry about the microchip at all.

As to the litter tray - she may just be waiting for a little. I wouldn't worry about it at the moment. You'll likely find that she'll use it when you're both out of the room. Nothing you can do at the moment. (That's why I said it could be tense.) She's eating and seems happy so let nature take its course.

SnowyWellies Sat 09-Mar-13 19:14:03

Yes, what cozie said re the litter tray. My cats will never use it if we are around- and they have been with us for years. Cats are quite private.

Also- i find pouches so expensive... tins are much better, we have two cats, and keep dried food down all day then use half a tin for them both at night. (Mind you- they seem to get first dibs on the dog food.... cue 3 dogs sittng patiently while the cats have a good go... )

She sounds like she is settling in beautifully.

Fluffycloudland77 Sat 09-Mar-13 19:18:53

My cat is loving the Aldi tinned food, the tuna, salmon and chicken is cereal free. 45p a can.

My cat has no shame and goes to the litter tray in front of me. I think he's a Jack Russell with a cat disguise on.

QueenStromba Sat 09-Mar-13 19:34:51

We're only feeding her pouches because she came with some - we're going to switch to tins once they're gone. She's been fed on Whiskas pouches at Cattersea - should we try her on Whiskas tins before we try anything else?

cozietoesie Sat 09-Mar-13 19:39:44

Try her on whatever you fancy, to be honest - you'll soon find out if she doesn't like it. Probably best to buy singleton packets or tins to start off with just in case she really hates it.

Fluffy reckons the Aldi food and I would, myself, start at the cheaper end of the market if the food is good quality. Supermarket own brands tend to be better value in my experience because there's no advertising to pay for etc.

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cozietoesie Sat 09-Mar-13 19:44:43

PS - Once you find a few noshes she likes, I'd keep some different cans or pouches around to vary flavour and texture. Just to keep her interest going because for indoor cats, food is quite a big thing.

She can have treats as well of course (the odd bit of roast chicken for instance) but you're best to go with cat food because that's nutritionally balanced for cats - and if you feed her too many treats you're raising the bar a tad high!

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Fluffycloudland77 Sat 09-Mar-13 19:49:44

The thing to look for is higher protein levels, eg gourmet is pricey but has 14% protein, aldi cans is 9.5%.

Just don't let her near onions, garlic, lilies, paracetamol. All highly poisonous to cats. Dead within a few hours poisonous.

QueenStromba Sat 09-Mar-13 19:51:35

We have a tin of Sainsbury's salmon which we'll try her on tomorrow then - it's the only one they do individually in our local one so hopefully she likes salmon or we could end up dismissing their whole range. She didn't touch the Sainsbury's biscuits I put down for her but has had some of the Whiskas ones she came with. Unfortunately we're miles from the nearest Aldi - they just don't exist in London postcodes.

cozietoesie Sat 09-Mar-13 19:52:58

Seniorboy is on Gourmet, Coop and Sainsbury's. He's a fussy blighter though. I have to give him a different one each time.

cozietoesie Sat 09-Mar-13 19:54:56

Don't worry if you just can't get one someone here recommends. She might hate it anyway! (They all have different tastes.) Just buy singles of a few different kinds and see how they go down.

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QueenStromba Sat 09-Mar-13 19:59:00

Thanks for the tip about the onions, garlic and paracetamol - I didn't know they were as bad as lillies. I'm thinking of getting some fake lillies because they're my favourite flower and I know I can't have fresh anymore.

cozietoesie Sat 09-Mar-13 19:59:55

Oh - and if she was used to Whiskas pouches, why not get a variety box of those for the cupboard. Then you know you've got those in hand.

Regarding food I think I mentioned somewhere before that I always use Butcher's Classic tins. It's cheaper than most, most cats seem to like it and it's vet recommended. Apparently it's good for mouths/gums (I never did understand why, but that's what the vets say). Worth a try.

Older cats rock in my opinion. They tend to be less trouble than youngsters and more loving. I've had lots of cats over 20 and quite a few 25 year olds. A few years ago I rehomed two elderly cats to someone I knew. The owner had died and the cats were 23 and 25 when they were rehomed (and came with all their vet papers dating back to the 1980s). They both lived happily and without any medical problems for another two years and brought a great deal of joy to their new owner.

cozietoesie Sat 09-Mar-13 20:48:05

Wow. Makes QS's new girl seem like a baby!

Ponders Sat 09-Mar-13 21:30:20

don't let her near onions, garlic, lilies, paracetamol. All highly poisonous to cats. Dead within a few hours poisonous

I did not know that shock

QueenStromba Sun 10-Mar-13 08:22:18

Well it seems that the comfiest place on the bed is on top of me! How long will it take before I stop noticing? She also used the litter tray during the night and played with her balled up bit of paper. Is there any way to persuade her not to play in the bedroom at night? She miaowed at us a bit too during the night but we ignored her as Battersea advised because we don't want her to get into the habit of waking us up.

She finished off her Whiskas biscuits and even seems to have picked at the Sainsbury's ones. We've tried her on the Sainburys tin which she likes. DP gave her a bit much though - how long is it ok to leave that down for?

Fluffycloudland77 Sun 10-Mar-13 08:26:59

She's just settling in. They are a bit nocturnal though. I locked ours in the kitchen on his first night and he miaowed a bit but we ignored him.

I leave food down for a few hours.

cozietoesie Sun 10-Mar-13 08:45:56

I'd wait for a little while to see how things pan out because it's real early days. I've always found that my cats tend to adapt their routine to fit in with ours (sleeping when we sleep) so you might get this as well in due course.

Great that she's used her tray and eaten more. Hope she's drinking some water as well.

You're doing fine it sounds.

smile

PS - I leave wet food down for a few hours or until it starts to look 'tired'. (Or overnight for supper.) Depends a bit on what temperature you keep the house at: we're not given to tropical level heating.

QOD Sun 10-Mar-13 09:06:17

Aaaah I love puddy tats!!

Lil tip, in Poundland they often sell little blankets with the paw prints on, dog ones and most importantly, but not always, cats ones. Buy a couple and then when you sis's her fave spots, ie on your pillow during the day ..... Start putting them on there.

My cat actively searches his out now.

QueenStromba Sun 10-Mar-13 09:44:46

I haven't seen her drink any water but she's had a wee.

cozietoesie Sun 10-Mar-13 09:59:00

Cats obtain much of their liquid from wet food if that's what's on the menu but with the dry biscuits as well she'll probably want some additional water. You rarely catch them at it though. They're not like dogs with great galumphing drinks; more like a quick lap or three now and again; or they might even use a dripping tap or something. Don't worry if you don't see her actually drinking - just keep replenishing the water bowl on trust.

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QueenStromba Sun 10-Mar-13 10:02:49

I just saw her have a big drink actually. I think she may be part dog!

cozietoesie Sun 10-Mar-13 10:05:17

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cozietoesie Sun 10-Mar-13 10:09:00

PS - that's one of the good things about house cats. You get to know their ways (including intake and outgoing) really quickly so that, for instance, if they have issues with peeing or pooing you can catch it at an early stage. It's useful.

QueenStromba Sun 10-Mar-13 14:45:38

How concerned should we be about a slightly loose poo? She managed to get it in the litter tray despite me having to show her where it was (we moved it into the bathroom from just outside and thought she'd seen it) and had a bit of food and a play after.

I wouldn't worry about that at all. She's had a lot of excitement - that's probably all it is. And as for how long it will take you to get used to sleeping with a cat on top of you - I'm not sure but all I know is that I now find it really hard to sleep if I don't have that - it just feels odd. I find a little cat body (or three) on top of me or next to me in bed really comfortingand relaxing.

cozietoesie Sun 10-Mar-13 17:53:43

I also wouldn't worry about a slightly loose poo. As thecatneuterer said, she's had a lot of excitement. New house, new routine, new type of food and new water and - most importantly - new people. That's an awful lot for a wee cat to cope with and if a loose poo is all you get, the three of you are doing really well. Diarrhoea would likely have her back and forward to the tray with not a lot to show for it.

Keep a weather eye on the situation but with luck it should clear up as quickly as it came.

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QueenStromba Sun 10-Mar-13 18:33:52

Thanks. She's had a couple more since but seems ok otherwise. When should we start worrying if it doesn't improve?

I have to say that the chick crumb seems to be great litter - it's dealing really well with the runny poos and it's nice to be able to just chuck it down the loo.

cozietoesie Sun 10-Mar-13 19:05:21

If she's changed her food type (to lots of biscuits rather than pouches) and brand, that could be doing it what with all the kerfuffle of a new house and people. I'd soldier on through today and if no change, maybe put her on some bland food tomorrow like very lightly cooked white fish or roast chicken for a day or so.

I remember you said she was chipped yesterday. Did they by any chance also start another round of vaccination at the same time?

QueenStromba Sun 10-Mar-13 20:10:46

She had her first lot 4 weeks ago and had her second shot on Thursday. She also had a general anesthetic on the 22nd for her teeth extractions and had antirobe (antibiotic) and metacam (painkiller like ibuprofen). Not sure when she finished the meds though - my guess is Thursday or before since that's when she turned up on their site ready for rehoming.

Should we have kept her on Whiskas for a while then? Best to stick with the new stuff now?

cozietoesie Sun 10-Mar-13 20:28:10

Gosh, that's all quite a lot for an older girl's system what with everything else - but she should have been over the effects by now, including any possible adverse reactions to meds or vaccinations.

I'm inclined still to think that it's the change in diet and water and possibly the new routine of eating. (Battersea may have fed them at different times and she may also be eating more now that she's home.) I'm not sure about changing back but if you have any whiskas perhaps use that and introduce new food again gradually next week.

Or, if you have a shop or supermarket nearby, you could nip down and get some chicken or white boneless fish and give her some of that. 'twill do no harm. See how that goes by tomorrow.

Keep all the dishes and water bowl very clean of course and be sure to leave the bathroom door (and other relevant doors) open at all times so that there are no accidents.

There are vets who post on here and they may be able to give you additional advice but if she's still drinking/peeing and seems lively, I'd leave it for a day or two to see if it clears up.

cozietoesie Sun 10-Mar-13 20:32:16

PS - don't give her large amounts of food in case she pigs them after her recent experiences. Modest portions in my view.

Fluffycloudland77 Sun 10-Mar-13 21:54:18

In answer to your earlier question about how long it takes to get used to a cat sleeping on you, not long. They move off you when you roll over and reposition themselves. Or they sleep on your pillow and you end up with our head on the mattress.

She's probably a bit clingy at the moment anyway. Mine slept pressed up against me one night because I had a rescue cat in the kitchen.

QueenStromba Mon 11-Mar-13 07:53:24

She was very good last night, she mostly just slept at the end of the bed and didn't try to wake us up. I did wake up a few times because she was getting on and off the bed but I'm sure I'll get used to her doing that and stop waking. She insisted on a good 30 mins of us both petting her with both hands when we woke up though smile

cozietoesie Mon 11-Mar-13 07:59:13

She'll likely still be needing more reassurance and love than usual so the need for petting should reduce greatly - and you'll soon not notice her moving around in the night.

How's the pooing?

QueenStromba Mon 11-Mar-13 08:06:41

She had three loose ones over the course of yesterday afternoon and another one overnight - not sure how bad the last one was since it wasn't fresh but it seemed a bit better.

cozietoesie Mon 11-Mar-13 08:08:33

Only one overnight sounds promising. Fingers crossed.

QueenStromba Mon 11-Mar-13 08:29:45

We switched her back to the Whiskas pouches for supper so maybe that helped.

cozietoesie Mon 11-Mar-13 08:43:51

Maybe so. From what you were saying yesterday evening, her system has had a lot to cope with over the last month so perhaps a little culinary stability is no bad thing at the moment. Doesn't mean that you can never change food in the future but perhaps that's just too big an ask right now.

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QueenStromba Mon 11-Mar-13 09:09:36

So you think keep her on the Whiskas pouches for a month or two and then try again with something else?

cozietoesie Mon 11-Mar-13 09:23:11

I'd see how the pooing does today/tomorrow to check if a change in diet was the reason for it. If everything calms down, I'd keep her on them for a little bit anyway. ('If it's not broke, don't fix it.')

It's just that pouches are a real expensive way of feeding cats - as I know because Seniorboy has to have some meds in his food and has managed to up the ante on the food he'll eat - so unless that doesn't bother you, you might be looking to eventually change to tins or another, cheaper, brand.

Maybe start off sometime with Whiskas tins and see how they go. And keep an eye on the supermarket offers: Whiskas frequently have special prices or Buy 2 Cheaply on boxes of 12 pouches and if you're not strapped for storage space, always take advantage of those.

You're doing well.

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QueenStromba Mon 11-Mar-13 10:52:59

She's just done a much more normal looking poo so it must have been the food. We're happy to keep her on the pouches indefinitely if it will keep her tummy happy - we considered the possibility that we might end up with a cat who'd only eat the £10 a kilo stuff so it could be worse!

cozietoesie Mon 11-Mar-13 10:59:15

Excellent that she looks as if she's stabilizing. It will make her happier as well. (Not so nice to have to wash up after a soft, probably smelly, poo - and she might have also felt uncomfortable in her stomach.) I hope progress is maintained.

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QueenStromba Mon 11-Mar-13 11:34:19

Hmm. She's just been sick - just looks like spit though, no food or anything it in even though she's eaten recently.

cozietoesie Mon 11-Mar-13 12:11:36

The occasional sick goes with the territory - she may have a furball for instance. (I guess they weren't groomed a whole load at Battersea - do you know any of her previous history?)

QueenStromba Mon 11-Mar-13 12:28:20

She was abandoned by a woman when she split up with her boyfriend. I think that just means she left the cat with him when she moved out and he didn't want her so gave her to battersea. We were far too busy cooing over her to think about asking for any more details. She does have a little bit of dandruff.

cozietoesie Mon 11-Mar-13 12:53:11

I suspect she's been a bit miserable and hasn't groomed herself as well as she could so might have a bit of a build up of hair and dander. It's possible anyway.

You might consider introducing grooming (not today - once she's settled down) to give her a hand. It's best started when she's on a lap and made part of the cuddling routine. Just a few light strokes at first and only on the shoulders back and flanks. Not the belly.

I use a brush comb on Seniorboy - I think they're officially called 'back comb brushes' - but other posters may have a better suggestion. He couldn't be doing with grooming when he came to me but now loves it and sees it as part of his evening lovefest. I get a huge amount of hair out and he rarely, if ever, gets a furball.

Ponders Mon 11-Mar-13 12:57:19

mine (young) are sick with just spit occasionally - sometimes clear, sometimes coloured (an interesting shade of green once confusedshock)

they are shut in the kitchen diner overnight so I suspect with them it's eating/drinking things they shouldn't, eg soapy water in a soaking saucepan, or bits of the rosemary plant on the window sill

QueenStromba Mon 11-Mar-13 19:03:47

Thank you all for reassuring me about my PFC. I luffs her already despite the fact that when I want to mark some essays she's sitting on top of them wanting attention and when I don't want to mark them she's asleep on the sofa.

Fluffycloudland77 Mon 11-Mar-13 19:09:27

I think this book will explain everything.

I promise I have more intellectual books on my kindle too.

cozietoesie Mon 11-Mar-13 19:10:55

grin

cozietoesie Mon 11-Mar-13 19:13:21

Meant to say - is she still squittering?

QueenStromba Mon 11-Mar-13 19:26:37

smile

Nothing else today - I reckon she's over it now. ]= .

QueenStromba Mon 11-Mar-13 19:29:08

That last bit was from Rice, I don't know what it means but she seemed to think it was important.

cozietoesie Mon 11-Mar-13 19:33:20

Good, good. (And tell her to work on her comms skills!)

QueenStromba Mon 11-Mar-13 19:35:06

There should have ffffffft;./////////aops09999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 been a lot of spaces and tabs at the end if that helps?

cozietoesie Mon 11-Mar-13 19:37:16

grin

QueenStromba Mon 11-Mar-13 21:56:12

She's been nipping at us today while we're stroking her. It's not in an aggressive way and she's purring her head off and headbutting us for more while she's doing it. The internet seems to think it's a love bite? She started on me first and she seems to like me the most so that would kind of make sense. Is it a good or bad sign and how do we get her to stop?

cozietoesie Mon 11-Mar-13 22:06:47

If she's purring and you're stroking her, it's probably over-excitement and might tail off when she calms down and feels more secure in the home. After all, she's only been with you for a couple of days and is still finding her feet.

I'm not a good person to ask about biting though because 'No biting' is one of the very few house rules that I have and is dealt with sternly, especially biting in bed due to irritation. (Frankly, I'd bite me in bed because I'm such a wriggler and flibbertigibbet but rules is rules.)

I say, very firmly, 'No Biting' and put the cat immediately down on the floor - or outside the door for a 20 minute exclusion if it's biting in bed which I regard as serious. They soon learn.

Other posters may be more tolerant though and have different strategies.

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cozietoesie Mon 11-Mar-13 22:13:23

PS - take the hint though. If you put her down for biting/nipping (and they make the association very quickly) don't stroke her again right away when she comes up on the lap so as to avoid the over stimulation which caused the first nip.

It's a difficult one for you both. She's trying to get some love, probably having been starved of it, and also to cement her place in her new home. You're wanting to give it and are probably loathe to discipline her. Personally, though, I'd start discipline early. You can be firm and yet gentle and she won't dislike you for it - cats are far too pragmatic.

Ponders Mon 11-Mar-13 22:27:26

well, there's bites & bites...

one of ours really loves being roughed up a bit, turns her head & bites the hands that are doing it, but only gently

QueenStromba Tue 12-Mar-13 09:31:28

She's biting in the sort of way that wouldn't hurt at all if she didn't have teeth like needles.

cozietoesie Tue 12-Mar-13 10:20:00

Oh Gosh yes - they're not going to give you 'fighting bites'. More like hard and deliberate mouthings. I just don't allow those either but that's only me and not necessarily to be copied. You'll have to decide what sort of relationship you have with her once you get to know each other and once she's calmed down and become used to having a real home and real people. (My Mom allowed Seniorboy to bite her with impunity so he had to be retrained when he came to me at 13 years old.)

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QueenStromba Tue 12-Mar-13 18:36:01

Another couple of normal poos so changing the food definitely seems to have helped. She seems to have settled into eating about two pouches a day and a few biscuits so it's not exactly breaking the bank to feed her the slightly more expensive stuff. I think she'd probably get a bit bored eating the same tin of food for the best part of two days anyway.

She's been a lot less needy the last day or so - I had been thinking of changing her name to Shadow but she's happy snoozing on the sofa while we potter about now. She does still seem to think that we should be awake to give her a fuss, clean her litter tray and feed her at 6am though. Luckily I've recently gotten into the habit of waking up at about 7 so 6 isn't too much of a hardship. She's slept a lot today but I guess that's her just getting over the excitement of the last few days.

We've booked her in with the vet for Monday just for a check up and to get some flea and worm meds for her. Do we think Stronghold and Milbemax?

cozietoesie Tue 12-Mar-13 18:41:19

Sounds like she's adjusting well. Good news.

Are you sure that Battersea didn't worm and flea her? I'd have thought they would given that they went as far as a dental - and you don't want to give two lots of meds right on top of others. Worth checking and your vet will likely want to know as well.

QueenStromba Tue 12-Mar-13 18:56:41

She had some stronghold on the 11th of February so she was due again when we got her. You've just reminded me that I should have told the vets to ring Battersea to have her records faxed over though smile

QueenStromba Wed 13-Mar-13 20:01:49

For some reason I had it in my head that I should completely empty the litter tray and clean it a couple of times a week but I've no idea where I got that idea since someone up thread said they only do that once every couple of months. How often should I be doing that given she's an indoor cat? The chick crumb we've been using clumps really well and we've been scooping the wee and poo out as soon as we know she's used the tray (most of the time I hear her scratching and do it straight away). Is it madness to empty out the litter a couple of times a week to give the tray a clean and then put the same litter back in, only actually chucking the lot once in a while? We're keen to do that from an environmental perspective rather than as a money saving exercise (nothing is too much for our PFC).

Fluffycloudland77 Wed 13-Mar-13 20:23:37

A couple of times a week is good practice. Mine wees on curtains if the tray isn't clean.

QueenStromba Wed 13-Mar-13 20:31:33

Thanks. Do I need to ditch all of the litter each time or can I just do that every couple of weeks?

cozietoesie Wed 13-Mar-13 20:32:25

I think it depends whether you use clumping or non-clumping. I've always used fuller's earth clumping and I've found that with a good depth of litter in the tray, you can lift out the clumps or poos (in my case I then make a little parcel with old newspaper for dumping) pour in some to refresh and only put the whole lot out 'regularly'. No way would I be washing it out twice a week unless Seniorboy had some sort of infection where that was necessary.

I think that with non-clumping, the pee travels down to the bottom of the tray so more frequent cleaning and whole tray dumping would be necessary then, I assume.

Like you, I clean up very soon after I hear it being used - I give it 10 minutes for a pee to allow the clump to form properly.

Might be a good idea for you to have a second tray for the cupboard. Then you can have it ready for seamless transition at cleaning times.

QueenStromba Wed 13-Mar-13 21:36:31

She's got a massive dome litter tray so no space for a spare! She has asked for her litter tray before when she couldn't find it so I'm not worried about accidents while it's drying. I think I'll go with giving it a quick wash a couple of times a week but putting the litter back in then.

cozietoesie Wed 13-Mar-13 21:40:49

Should be fine. Love that she asks for her tray! That's a real sign of being at home.

QueenStromba Wed 13-Mar-13 21:55:47

She did that the day after we got her!

cozietoesie Wed 13-Mar-13 21:59:25

I'm seeing the photo of her 5 hours after you got her home. Real relaxed sleep.

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I've just seen the photos. They're lovely! She's settled in amazingly quickly.

QueenStromba Thu 14-Mar-13 12:13:50

Please tell me there's a innocuous reason for vomiting and bloody loose stools. We've got an appointment with the vet at Battersea in three hours but I'm really worried.

cozietoesie Thu 14-Mar-13 12:27:39

Oh goodness - she's started having problems again?

Wait and see what the vet says.

QueenStromba Thu 14-Mar-13 13:47:12

She threw up twice during the night and then had another loose poo late morning then sat on a white chair without cleaning herself. When she got up I noticed a spot of poo and blood on the chair. She doesn't seem quite herself either but she might just be annoyed with us because the BT engineer was here earlier and we had to lock her in a room - she hates closed doors.

cozietoesie Thu 14-Mar-13 14:05:37

I would be concerned, with you, that she seemed to be recovered and then worsened. Best wait an see what the vet says - agonizing though it is for you. Let us know how it goes.

cozietoesie Thu 14-Mar-13 14:07:50

PS - if she happens to have another loose poo before you set out, it might be a good idea to take some along with you as a sample for the vet to test. Some smallish clean plastic container should do it.

QueenStromba Thu 14-Mar-13 14:12:02

Will do. I need to figure out how to get her into the cat carrier now.

cozietoesie Thu 14-Mar-13 14:13:30

Back legs folded under her and bottom first. Quickly.

QueenStromba Thu 14-Mar-13 14:14:24

She's going to hate that. Might try coaxing her in with some dreamies first.

Fluffycloudland77 Thu 14-Mar-13 14:15:27

Take her into a small room eg bathroom and take the door off the carrier.

Holding the carrier in one hand and the door in the other corner her with the carrier so she has to go in, then put the door in place and fasten it.

I have the same carrier as you and it's the least stressful option. I have a carrier refusenik.

cozietoesie Thu 14-Mar-13 14:18:43

Your call - but she'll likely be very suspicious of the box after the recent past. I always treat the whole thing quickly and matter of factly so that the cat in question knows I'm immoveable on the matter and they might as well grit their teeth and put up with it. Seems to work.

I think it's also a good idea to throw a light rug or covering over it during the journey if it has holes - prevents drafts and soothes them in my experience.

cozietoesie Thu 14-Mar-13 14:24:52

What is always really sad, though, is at the vets and seeing them dive into the box when it comes to leaving. From a horrible thing it becomes a place of safety and their passport back home.

QueenStromba Thu 14-Mar-13 14:29:40

The dreamies worked! On the train now, she seems to prefer it to the taxi.

cozietoesie Thu 14-Mar-13 15:40:44

A hussy. I might have guessed!

Good luck.

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QueenStromba Thu 14-Mar-13 16:24:07

The vet gave us some special food and an antacid and said to come back tomorrow if she's still being sick. She's not dehydrated and her temperature is fine so it's probably just a bit of stress.

cozietoesie Thu 14-Mar-13 16:27:29

Fingers crossed then. You must have been a bundle of nerves!

QueenStromba Thu 14-Mar-13 16:37:42

I was really worried. I had to get DP to come home and cat sit because I really had to go into college but couldn't leave her alone. She doesn't seem impressed with the antacid but is eating the Royal Canin without it. She wouldn't let the vet look in her mouth but maybe we an get a syringe in if she's not expecting it. I'll wait til DP's home before I try that one though.

cozietoesie Thu 14-Mar-13 16:46:01

My vet gave me some antacid for Seniorboy when he was being sick a lot but in tablet form which was a total waste of money (Not one bit went down.) What seemed to work best was a shot for his teeth (his teeth are a bit dodgy and he had some gingevitis) and leaving him with some soft pate wet food through the night rather than making him wait until breakfast from 10 the night before. Some of the food goes untouched but the sickness has stopped.

As she's had a recent dental, I'm assuming her teeth are OK - or as good as they're going to get.

QueenStromba Thu 14-Mar-13 17:14:37

Funny you should say that. DP thought she might have a problem with her teeth because she's been a bit apprehensive of us fussing her around the head today but fine with us stroking her on the back. She wouldn't let the vet have a proper look but the vet said that she seemed more like a cat who doesn't like people going near her mouth than anything else and there was no obvious sign of tooth problems like bad breath. We'll definitely ask them to try again if we take her back tomorrow or ask our vet on Monday.

Does the pate stuff last longer than the pouches when left out? What brand do you use? She likes to have new food every couple of hours so we've been feeding her a quarter of a pouch at a time - she'll miaow at us for food if there's stuff in her bowl that's been there for more than 2-3 hours. You've just made me wonder if maybe it's the dry stuff that's the problem - she is missing a load of teeth so maybe she can't chew it well enough. She only eats the dried stuff when the wet stuff is too old for her or she's eaten it all which tends to happen overnight.

cozietoesie Thu 14-Mar-13 17:37:21

I've never had a cat who liked being fussed with around the mouth by anyone but a vet although the rest of the head they're broadly OK. Maybe check with your vet on Monday just in case Battersea didn't entirely solve some dental problem.

I only give Seniorboy pate because it's real soft and he hardly has any teeth apart from his incisors. (I think he has one left at the back.) I use Gourmet but also Sainsbury's and Coop - although I think Coop call it 'terrine'.

Like Rice, he likes his food fresh so he gets it every 3 hours or so in part pouches. He also gets a modest dish of meat, chopped up ham or roast chicken, for lunch which he enjoys as a change.

No - the pate doesn't stay fresher than pouches but he enjoys it and having a fresh-ish dish of wet food available overnight seems to have stopped his morning vomits for the time being. He won't touch biscuit so that's the only thing I can do. The birds like the remains.

QueenStromba Thu 14-Mar-13 17:49:53

I might try adding some stock to her food for overnight to keep it from drying out then. I make my own by boiling bones in the slow cooker overnight and it sets to a very firm jelly if I put it in the fridge. I'm sure I can get some bones from Morrisons or the butcher for her.

QueenStromba Thu 14-Mar-13 18:10:48

Oh, and she doesn't seem the least bit bothered now by her trip to the vets. She really is the most chilled out cat ever - the only things that bother her are closed doors, not using both hands to pet her, vets looking in her mouth and not getting some of our food.

Fluffycloudland77 Thu 14-Mar-13 21:18:28

You don't make the stock with salt, onions, garlic or chives do you? If you do she can't have it.

Onions, garlic, chives and lilies are all part of the alium family of plants and are poisonous to cats.

cozietoesie Thu 14-Mar-13 21:26:07

She won't be bothered now, QS. She's home ! (And safe with her people.)

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QueenStromba Fri 15-Mar-13 07:52:02

She doesn't really like the Royal Canin - she's only eaten about half a pouch since 4 yesterday. Should I just put her back on the Whiskas?

cozietoesie Fri 15-Mar-13 08:17:40

Personally, I would - but modest amounts. (That's not a lot of food to have eaten for a cat who was being sick and is a little off colour.) Why not try her on, say, a third of a Whiskas pouch and see if it's food in general she doesn't want or just the RC.

How is she doing otherwise?

cozietoesie Fri 15-Mar-13 08:20:31

PS - you could always ring the vet at Battersea and quickly ask them of it's OK given that they gave you the RC as a solution to her problem. Veering away from recommended treatment might not go down too well if you have to take her back there today. They should be up and doing shortly.

QueenStromba Fri 15-Mar-13 08:44:27

She was miaowing at me for food this morning and when I put it down she had a sniff at it and wandered off - not like her at all. It took her a good 20 minutes before she got around to eating any and even then she didn't seem impressed with it. Other than that she seems fine now. No more vomiting and I scooped out a normal looking poo this morning.

I'll give battersea a call in a bit and see what they say.

cozietoesie Fri 15-Mar-13 08:59:01

They get likes and dislikes for food. If you have any sealed RC pouches hang onto them because she might take to it again.

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QueenStromba Fri 15-Mar-13 09:57:16

I'm waiting for Battersea to phone me back. In the mean time I've folded and given her some mashed up Whiskas because she was crying for food.

cozietoesie Fri 15-Mar-13 10:03:45

I think it'll be OK myself. Just don't give her too much at one sitting because if she's hungry and you give her a whole pouch, say, she might pig the lot and then sick it up from eating too much too fast. Modest and more often is probably the way to go if her insides are a little dodgy at the moment.

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cozietoesie Fri 15-Mar-13 10:06:12

PS - I always fold and mash jelly pouches a bit. I think they prefer that.

QueenStromba Fri 15-Mar-13 10:09:34

She only ever gets about a quarter of a pouch at a time anyway because that's all she'll eat in a sitting.

cozietoesie Fri 15-Mar-13 10:12:17

Gosh - that's not much. She really must like her food very fresh indeed. Either that or she needs the attention that comes with it - which is probably to be expected with her history.

QueenStromba Fri 15-Mar-13 11:02:57

I think she's just a fussy old mare smile

QueenStromba Fri 15-Mar-13 13:00:20

Hmm. She's not really eating the Whiskas either - she's only had about a quarter of a pouch and a few dreamies today. I'm going to try her on some steamed white fish.

cozietoesie Fri 15-Mar-13 13:27:35

They get days when they're not that hungry - especially when they're older and not so active. She hasn't been sick today, the vet thought she was broadly OK yesterday (?), she's had a poo and I assume she's drinking?

How is she if you touch her mouth? (Not to look inside it but just, say, rubbing the middle joint of your forefinger up and down at the side of her jaw like a little stroke.)

QueenStromba Fri 15-Mar-13 14:10:00

Rubbing her on the jaw makes her purr smile

The vet didn't seem too concerned about her yesterday, no signs of dehydration etc. I've not seen her drink anything but I've only seen her drink a couple of times since she got here. She's had another little bit to eat so I'm going to hold off on the fish for a bit.

cozietoesie Fri 15-Mar-13 15:59:57

Good. I was concerned that she might have a grumbling dental issue.

See how it goes then.

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QueenStromba Fri 15-Mar-13 16:29:53

Thank you again for all the advice and hand holding thanks

We haven't even had her a week but we're already in love with her and I'm a massive worrier. The sensible bit of me is saying that it's just a bit of a dodgy tummy but the rest of me is convinced that it's something serious and she's going to die. I'm actually really glad we got an indoor cat - I'd never stop worrying if she was going outside (it doesn't help that my childhood cat broke his hip and then vanished shortly after we let him back outside).

cozietoesie Fri 15-Mar-13 16:33:35

One thing they never tell you about getting a mature cat is that if they're older and have a lot of life experience they're often very good at getting people 'under the paw'.

(Not looking at you of course, QS.)

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QueenStromba Fri 15-Mar-13 16:55:13

She walks all over me - literally! Apparently last night I slept through her climbing over me to go see DP because he was still awake on the laptop.

She definitely knows how to endear herself. She's particularly cute in the mornings - the second I start stirring she's on top of me looking for a fuss. Nevermind that the reason I stirred this morning was her cold, wet nose on my chest! She's already figured out not to bother trying to get DP's attention early in the morning.

cozietoesie Fri 15-Mar-13 16:59:25

As it should be.

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QueenStromba Fri 15-Mar-13 17:58:57

She seems to have got her appetite back smile

She just enthusiastically emptied her bowl and wanted a refill.

cozietoesie Fri 15-Mar-13 18:10:43

Excellent ! (But maybe delay it for an hour or so - to allow the rest of the food to start going down.)

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QueenStromba Fri 15-Mar-13 18:24:36

We're still talking about a quarter of a pouch in total. I've been giving her about a sixth of a pouch today to avoid wasting it. She'd left about half the last time I fed her and then I gave her another little bit once she ate that. Even on a normal day she's the last cat in the world who would overeat.

QueenStromba Sun 17-Mar-13 20:07:02

She's definitely got her appetite back the last couple of days - she's eaten a bit more than half a pouch in a sitting a few times which was unheard of in the first week we had her. No more runny poos and she's started using her litter tray with the lid on which should stop the bathroom floor being covered in litter smile

Off to the new vets in the morning for a check up and to get some flea and worm meds for her. At least after Thursday I know that she doesn't mind the vets or being in the carrier too much and this time it doesn't involve a train journey.

cozietoesie Sun 17-Mar-13 20:18:14

Good going, QS. Sounds like she's turned the corner.

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I'm so glad she seems to be OK now QS. I bet you can't imagine life without her now can you?

QueenStromba Mon 18-Mar-13 09:00:52

DP's taking her to the vet in a minute and I'm going to find sitting in the flat without her for an hour really strange!

cozietoesie Mon 18-Mar-13 09:18:42

Well she's part of the family now so not surprising. Hope she does OK at the vet - this will be her permanent practice now ?

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QueenStromba Mon 18-Mar-13 09:31:31

This is our local vet which we picked because they're part of a group that also has a veterinary hospital just up the road which will make specialist referrals and OOH care a lot easier. Hopefully they're good, if not we'll switch to another surgery.

QueenStromba Mon 18-Mar-13 10:39:14

DP said the vet seemed good. Her teeth are fine, she weighs 3.3kg but should weigh about 4kg. He thinks we only need to flea and worm her every six months or so since she's an indoor cat.

He's not a fan of Whiskas because he reckons they put something in the jelly that's the equivalent of kitty crack which makes them eat the jelly and leave the meat. He suggests weaning her over the course of a week or so onto a different food (silly DP didn't write down any of his suggestions and has a head like a sieve). I'll probably try the Butcher's Classic that thecatneuterer suggested upthread.

I'm guessing it's fine to freeze cat food in ice cube trays? I think she'd get pretty bored eating the same tin of food for a day and a half so I think freezing it in small portions would be the easiest way to give her a bit of variety.

cozietoesie Mon 18-Mar-13 10:47:27

Do you know, I've never tried that and it might be a real good idea if it works. (Seniorboy likes different flavours every meal so I tend to have a small row of partially used pouches in the compartment in the fridge door and rotate them - but there's still some wastage.) Only thing I'm not sure about for practicality is the ice cube tray - I think that small individual containers might be better. Let me muse on that one.

QueenStromba Mon 18-Mar-13 10:49:24

I was thinking of freezing it in an ice cube tray and then decanting into freezer bags.

cozietoesie Mon 18-Mar-13 10:49:54

4 kg is Seniorboy's weight target as well (he's about 3.8) - but if they won't eat they won't eat and there's not much you can do. At least you don't have a Greedy Guts who has to be put on a diet.

cozietoesie Mon 18-Mar-13 10:50:19

Let me think on it.

Ponders Mon 18-Mar-13 20:00:41

fwiw my cats like Bozita which comes in a handy tetrapak you can keep in the fridge. Lots of different flavours & sizes

& they love these kitten pouches - I'm not sure if it's ok to feed an older cat kitten food though, maybe it is when she needs to gain weight?

but their most favourite of all is Schesir tuna which gets hoovered up in about 2 minutes smile (but it is a supplementary food, they need bisuits and/or a complete wet food as well)

cozietoesie Tue 19-Mar-13 10:10:31

OK. Have been thinking about it. I'm (probably unreasonably) not keen on ice cube trays for us. Each compartment holds surprisingly little, they might be difficult to clean and empty properly (with varying ages of part pouch in them), getting the part-pouches out might be difficult and putting them in freezer bags could lead to p-ps sticking together.

I guess it depends though on how much freezer room you have. I'm well provided for in that regard so I think for me, I'll recycle small plastic containers (cottage cheese, yoghurt etc) which I already do with the medium and larger sizes and ask family and friends to let me have suitable ones that they've used. That might mean that a container is only a third full but I think it would work better for me than cube trays.

If you go for the cube trays, let us know how it works. I'm going to be interested to see how pouches freeze. (Some things go all yukky when defrosted and I'm wondering about how the jelly will do.)

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PS - I think I'm going to try that Schesir's. Ponders. That's the second time I've seen that well recommended and it's useful to have a surefire hit in the cupboard even if it's not a complete food.

QueenStromba Tue 19-Mar-13 22:19:01

She threw up again today. Not sure if it was once or twice since I found one lot on the arm of the sofa and the second lot next to the cushion a while later - I think it was probably part of the same episode. There were some biggish lumps of food in it so I've started giving her pouches a proper massage while I'm watching TV or whatever. She's eaten nearly four pouches today, some dreamies and some biscuits and I expect the rest of the last pouch and some more biscuits to be gone by morning smile

cozietoesie Tue 19-Mar-13 22:22:32

Maybe eaten too much ? (If that's 4 actual pouches and not 4x her normal portion) plus dreamies and biscuits - well that's a lot more than her system's been used to recently. Could be too much for her stomach.)

Ponders Tue 19-Mar-13 22:49:15

a cat we used to have more or less inhaled her wet food & threw up a lot (often in a well-placed puddle at the bottom of the stairs shock)

no idea how you get round a cat doing that though

(def worth trying the schesir's, cozietoesie smile)

QueenStromba Wed 20-Mar-13 14:35:02

She's been working up to that amount over the last few days and most of that was after the vomiting. Nothing since that I've found. Given how old and thin she is I'd rather feed her on demand and clean up the odd bit of puke than try to restrict her eating in any way.

cozietoesie Wed 20-Mar-13 14:48:33

Sounds good then. See how it goes. (Seniorboy is allowed to eat at will although he doesn't eat dreamies or anything similar.)

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How is Rice doing now QS? I'm missing the regular updates ...

QueenStromba Tue 26-Mar-13 10:26:15

Sorry, I thought you'd all be sick to death of hearing about her by now!

She's doing really well thanks. She's been eating lots and is visibly less thin than she was. She had a bit of a sniffle for a couple of days but seems over it now. She's a lot less needy of attention now but still loves a fuss. She's also taken to giving us lots of eskimo kisses, she did the nose tap type pretty much from the start but now they're the sort where you end up with kitty snot all over your face. We've left her alone for a few hours at a time and she doesn't seem fussed by it as long as she's got food in her bowl.

cozietoesie Tue 26-Mar-13 14:26:56

Goodness no - not sick to death at all!

Pleased that she's doing well and has got over her sniffles. I can report that cat food appears to freeze and defrost just fine although from the sound of it, salting away part pouches isn't so much of a problem any more?

No, not bored at all. I'm glad she's doing so well. Does she use the Scratch box?

QueenStromba Tue 26-Mar-13 20:56:10

Thanks for the report back on freezing food. We're going to keep her on the pouches for another few weeks and then switch her to tins. I don't want to deprive her of the variety that pouches give (we have three different boxes open at the moment) so we'll still freeze some even if she would get through most of a tin in a day.

We haven't got her a scratch box yet. We did our big supplies order from Pet Planet and just never got around to giving Pets at Home a visit. We got something that I think is similar but she's just rubbed her face on it though she's found a folded up cardboard box that she's using as a scratcher. We ended up getting her a cat tree in case she gets bored which she's used a bit but we think she's a bit scared of heights. She can jump up on our meter high chest of drawers from my bedside table but yowls to get down again because the bedside table is too cluttered to jump onto and she doesn't seem to want to jump down to the floor.

QueenStromba Tue 26-Mar-13 20:58:49

Oh, and I've made my supervisor broody for a cat but unfortunately he lives too close to a main road and has too many doors and windows open in the summer to get one.

QueenStromba Fri 29-Mar-13 19:21:07

How do we get her to scratch the things we want her to rather than the carpet? She knows she's not supposed to scratch the carpet because she runs away sheepishly if we catch her in act and stops if we hear her and shout oi at her. We've ordered some feliway to spray on the spots she goes for but how do we teach her to scratch the things she's allowed to?

QueenStromba Sun 31-Mar-13 17:15:13

I'm guessing nobody has the answer about how to teach her what she's allowed to scratch then?

There's definitely life in the old girl yet. She spent about an hour tearing around the flat this morning. She even spent a good 15 minutes playing with her dangly fish toy that has never interested her before smile

cozietoesie Sun 31-Mar-13 17:32:54

Well after a lifetime of scratching Siamese I would say that you can't teach them anything. Just offer. See if you can get a carpet sample or two (preferably good quality - they generally prefer a high end item) and anchor it under a piece of furniture. It might work.

Seniorboy has a 'scratching chair'. It sits in the Sitting Room. Absolutely a mess. If SS ever come to call, I'm doomed.

QueenStromba Mon 01-Apr-13 19:23:29

We'll look into getting some carpet tiles or some cut offs then, thanks. We found a little mat that battersea gave us when we got her and put it down where she'd just been scratching and she had a couple of scratches at that which we praised her for and rewarded her with dreamies. Maybe she'll get the idea.

We've started transitioning her onto to Butcher's Classic today. She's been having a forkful in half a pouch of Whiskas this afternoon which is going down well with no signs of digestive issues. A forkful just happens to be how much each bit of our ice cube trays take too smile

Given her previous digestive issues I think we'll keep her on that for tomorrow and then start give her three forkfuls in a pouch (not all at the same time) for a day or two, then four etc. Does that sound ok?

I really think you should get some of those scratch boxes we talked about. I've found that when they have those around they prefer to scratch those to just about anything else.

cozietoesie Wed 03-Apr-13 14:57:43

Have you got a link for those thecatneuterer? I thought the chair would see Seniorboy out but he seems to be winning !

QueenStromba Wed 03-Apr-13 15:16:11

This is the scratch box cozie. We got something very similar for her and she's shown no interest in it. I think we'll get her some carpet tiles since carpet is the only thing she really scratches - she's left our fabric sofa alone.

cozietoesie Wed 03-Apr-13 15:22:51

Ah - thanks, QS. I got him a flat scratch thing with the hope of extending the life of the chair but he paid it no attention apart from biffing the springy toy once or twice. I may go back to carpet myself because he had that when in our last house. It's just that the chair is 'his' but I think it's going to outlast him. (He could scratch for GB.)

I haven't found the flat scratching things to be very good. But a good 9.5 out of ten of the cats I've ever come across just love those scratch boxes. They really are worth a go.

QueenStromba Tue 09-Apr-13 16:03:56

It's our one month anniversary today smile

In some ways it's like we've had her forever but we're still really excited about having her. DP and I often turn to each other and say "We've got a cat!". I really don't know how we managed for so long without her.

We're on day 10 of the food switchover now and we're nearly up to a pouch in half a tin of butchers. I'm happy to say that Rice hasn't seemed bothered by the change at all, she's eating really well and hasn't had a dodgy tummy unless you count one 5am episode of spitty sick (why is it always at 5am?).

She has four pouches left which will probably last another week. I'm getting quite fed up with the changeover at this point though - I can't just get DP to feed her if there isn't already some mixed up because he won't know how much of each to add since I've been doing it. It's hard enough remembering how much she should have with just one of us doing it!

cozietoesie Tue 09-Apr-13 16:40:58

All goes well then. That's excellent, QS.

smile

In my experience, they're not necessarily always sick at 5am. Just at the most inconvenient time they can be.

Doesn't time fly! It only seems like a couple of weeks. I'm so glad it's going well. As your DP come round to the idea of an indoor cat now? I think it must be quite comforting to know that you'll always know where she is and she can't come to much harm.

'Has' not 'as'

QueenStromba Tue 09-Apr-13 17:21:50

Three out of four observed sickness episodes have been between the hours of 4 and 6am. Even if we count the three unobserved sicks as happening at a sensible time of the day that's still almost half of all puking occurring at 5am plus or minus an hour. There is definitely a significant correlation between 5am and Rice throwing up. When it happened the other day she was actually lying on me when she started the retching noise so I leapt up but she had spit up on DP's side of the bed before I found something to shove in front of her.

DP's happy we had to have an indoor cat because otherwise we wouldn't have Rice (he's a soppy git just like me). I think he thought it was a bit cruel to keep a cat indoors but he realises now that it's worse to let a cat out when you're close to a main road. It helps that the only time she shows real interest in going outside is when there are pigeons near the window - she seems perfectly happy to just treat the outside like cat telly otherwise. She mithers at all of the doors when they're shut other than the front door which doesn't bother her in the slightest.

I'm really glad we had to get an indoor cat and not just because I'm completely in love with Rice. There have been so many sad threads on here in the last few weeks that I'd be freaking out a bit if we had to start letting her out now.

cozietoesie Tue 09-Apr-13 19:33:19

Ah - that just means she's worked out that that's the most irritating (likely to get attention) time for you and your DP!

QueenStromba Sun 14-Apr-13 15:25:35

She gave me a heart attack yesterday. She vanished - we searched the flat to the point of checking inside the oven and couldn't find her. I was convinced that in a rather unRice-like show of acrobatics she'd jumped through the top of the sash window. We eventually found her under the sofa bed in the office. Bloody typical cat pulling a disappearing act the first time we open a window wide enough for her to fit through!

Cats are brilliant at hiding in houses aren't they? So many times I've been absolutely convinced that a cat I've been trying to keep in has escaped, even though all windows and doors were shut . And I've searched absolutely everywhere and been convinced that the cat must have sneaked out when I opened the door without me seeing. And then, lo and behold, a few hours later there they are. I have no idea how they get to be so good at hiding.

QueenStromba Fri 19-Apr-13 11:45:09

I think she must have been hiding from the roomba because she hasn't done it since.

She's now entirely on Classic for the wet food although that was supplemented with some bin chicken last night. Can anyone recommend a small cat-proof bin?

QueenStromba Sat 20-Apr-13 21:27:16

Gah! Just as we had Rice weaned onto Butcher's Classic our local Sainsbury's has stopped selling it. I've checked all of the other local supermarkets and nobody has it. We've had to resort to an online shop from Sainsbury's - I'm worried now that they won't have it. If they'd stopped stocking it three weeks ago then we would have put her on something else. We have enough in the freezer to wean her onto something else but I just can't face it.

Oh no. I get it from Pets at Home and they frequently have offers on it. At the moment its £10 for 24 cans. You can also buy online from Pets at Home. My Sainsburys, Tescos and Morrisons all sell it. Why don't you put a comment in the customer comments box at Sainsburys and suggest they stock it again?

QueenStromba Sat 20-Apr-13 22:00:46

I will definitely email them to complain, I guess they'll just say that it's not popular enough here to be worth the shelf space though. My £2.74 three times a month is unlikely to make them change their minds unfortunately.

I've ordered 48 tins which should do her a good while but I'll go to pets at home for it next time - what flavours does the 24 pack have? I can't find any info on it anywhere.

I've just had to go to the cupboard to check. It's:
6 of each of: haddock; ocean fish; chicken; beef

So no good if she only likes either the meat or the fish.

QueenStromba Sat 20-Apr-13 22:30:57

Thank you smile

She'll eat meat and fish but I think she prefers the fishy ones - I still feed her a mix though because I don't want her to get bored or fussy. I got chatting to a guy in the queue at Morrisons yesterday who had a cat that would only eat Sheba trays - apparently he started out eating anything but just got fussy. I think I'll keep trying to source the 6 packs because she'll get two extra flavours that way - trout and game.

QueenStromba Thu 25-Apr-13 18:06:01

Rice woke us up at 6am puking, not just a spitty furry type puke but the type with mostly digested food. She seemed ok other than that so I went out to get some much needed sunshine this afternoon. I came back and found that the living room door had blown shut in the wind so Rice had been trapped inside and had puked in the same way as she had at 6am. Was that just a protest puke or should I take her to the vet since she's puked up food twice in the space of 12 hours?

cozietoesie Thu 25-Apr-13 18:59:21

Do you know when she'd eaten each time, QS ?

QueenStromba Thu 25-Apr-13 19:12:24

I took her to the vet and she puked again in the waiting room. She's put on 2-300g since her last visit which is great. She's had an anti-nausea injection and I have to take her back if she's sick again. I've taken away her biscuits because I correlate them with her being sick. She's now acting as if she's never been fed and has wolfed down about 60 grams and has demanded some more.

cozietoesie Thu 25-Apr-13 19:32:05

The vet this evening?

Let's see how it goes. Watch how much you give her in case she's pigging the stuff down and throwing up as a result. Modest and steady.

Good luck - anxiety making, isn't it?

QueenStromba Thu 25-Apr-13 20:11:41

It is bloody terrifying - especially since she's so old. She's not normally a piggy sort of cat at all.

cozietoesie Thu 25-Apr-13 20:42:33

As I said - wait and see how she is tomorrow. Seniorboy had a bout of being sick in the early New Year and when I took him in after 2 or 3 days, all she could initially tell was that he had some gingevitis. (Being elderly, he's a bit of a martyr to his few remaining teeth.) The vet didn't know for certain if that was it but gave him an AB injection (and some antacids which he wouldn't swallow and were a waste of a med.) No more problem. Touch wood he's not been sick at all since then.

I don't know if that's got anything to do with it - a cat being sick a lot can be so many things - but I was just thinking that Rice had to have her teeth attended to at Battersea. Just a thought, anyway.

QueenStromba Thu 25-Apr-13 21:11:03

The vet had a cursory look at her teeth - she's a cat who really hates having her jaws forced open though. He also took her temperature (which Rice really didn't seem to mind at all) and had a feel of her stomach and pregnant looking dangly bit - all of which he said was fine. I'm hoping it was all a waste of fifty quid rather than something I have to take her back for - I really don't want it to be worth the £80 excess.

QueenStromba Thu 25-Apr-13 21:14:11

I can see why people don't take their pets to the vet though if it's so much money - I was expecting 20-30 quid not 50.

cozietoesie Fri 26-Apr-13 10:34:18

How's she doing this morning, QS?

smile

QueenStromba Fri 26-Apr-13 15:46:32

She seems alright today thanks - she hasn't been sick since we went to the vet. Either I was worrying over nothing or the injection worked.

cozietoesie Fri 26-Apr-13 16:01:59

Good. I don't know whether she does the 'plumbing' sound that some cats make prior to being sick. I usually have about 8-10 seconds with Seniorboy: just enough time to dash off for a newspaper to put underneath him.

QueenStromba Sat 27-Apr-13 16:18:01

She does wretch for a good 5-10 seconds before she throws up. If she does it while we're asleep that's enough time to wake up, realise what is going on, scrabble for something to put in front of her and to not quite get it in front of her before she pukes. I really should keep some newspaper next to the bed from now on.

She still seems ok. I think she was feeling a bit sorry for herself yesterday though. She'll normally only lie on me for 15-20 minutes and then curl up next to me to sleep but slept on me for about two hours in the afternoon and only moved when I had to move because I was getting a crick in my neck. I don't think she's been like that since the first night when she slept on me all night. She's less clingy today so hopefully that means she's feeling better.

We've not given her the biscuits again and she's developed a habit of finishing her food, asking for more and then wandering off once we provide it. I think she likes the security of knowing there's food there when she wants it because she never did that when we had the biscuits down constantly.

QueenStromba Sun 28-Apr-13 11:16:19

She threw up again this morning and is being massively clingy. She's alert and causing mischief when she's not sitting on me though.

cozietoesie Sun 28-Apr-13 11:18:58

Seniorboy threw up as well - I think it was empty stomach vomiting because I gave him beef pouch and not chicken pouch for his breakfast. Which he wouldn't eat.

Has she eaten or drunk anything this morning?

QueenStromba Sun 28-Apr-13 11:33:18

She got me up to feed her at 6.30, ate about 30g and threw it up an hour or two later. Since then she's had a lick of her food and a tiny bit of smoked salmon I was silly enough to try and eat with her sitting on me. I've got a bit of roast chicken defrosting for her to have later.

QueenStromba Sun 28-Apr-13 20:30:35

She seems to be a bit constipated. DP caught her dragging her bum across the sofa cushion and I had to pick a large bit of poo from just next to her anus. After scrubbing the poo mark from the sofa, I found another two in the hall and a small lump of poo on the bath mat. Her litter had been kicked about but there was nothing in it. Looks like she tried to go for a poo in her litter tray but it got stuck, she wiped on the bath mat and got a bit out and wiped a further three times before she dislodged it and I picked it off her.

I'm a bit worried this means that she's a bit dehydrated. Should I give her some cat milk tomorrow to encourage her to drink?

cozietoesie Sun 28-Apr-13 21:35:27

QS

I'd actually be thinking of getting her to the vet. The vomiting and the constipation could be linked and yes - she could get dehydrated but I suspect the vet will best advise you on that. At the least, I'd give a
phone, especially with these periods of lassitude she's having.

I had this with Seniorboy who is now on a mild laxative from the vet to assist and hasn't had any more pooing problems.

(If she suddenly has an enormous big poo and returns to normal, I think I'd still go but in a more relaxed fashion in the next few weeks.)

cozietoesie Sun 28-Apr-13 21:37:15

PS - I'm conscious that you went to the vet a short while ago so they may be prepared to talk you through it rather than having another expensive visit.

QueenStromba Sun 28-Apr-13 22:26:35

She's not really been having periods of lassitude - she's been sleeping/dozing/resting the same amount as she normally does, she's just been wanting to do it on me more than normal. I guess that's the kitty equivalent of a child wanting their mummy (and only their mummy) when they're sick. She's actually been behaving normally since about 1 and has been eating ok and has even had a wee since the icky poo incedent.

I'll see how she is in the morning. If she throws up again/hasn't done a full poo/is being really clingy then I'll give the vet a call. He seems like a decent chap - when we got all worried about her D&V when we first got her he advised us to take her to Battersea rather than taking our money.

cozietoesie Sun 28-Apr-13 22:38:02

If she's been eating and drinking OK then that's better news. She may have been having a one-off constipation. I'd wait and see how she is tomorrow then.

Good luck to Rice.

QueenStromba Mon 29-Apr-13 10:31:02

She hasn't been sick or clingy so far today. She also hasn't had a poo but it's still early. I got her some cat milk and she's had a bit of that so hopefully it will help.

cozietoesie Mon 29-Apr-13 10:37:22

Good that she's not been sick - but keep an eye on the poo situation. (A great thing about housecats is that you always know precisely how their insides are working.)

QueenStromba Mon 29-Apr-13 10:52:45

She's had a poo now and got all but a mini turd (bath mat again) in the litter box.

cozietoesie Mon 29-Apr-13 10:59:56

Her poos might have got a bit dry if she hasn't been pooing regularly. You don't have longish hair do you by any chance? That will sound like a daft question but I've found that cats can sometimes ingest some hair from their owners and if it's longish (ie more than an inch or two long) then it can sometimes connect poos up the intestine so that a poo could be out of the body but still be dangling for a minute or two - by a hair! (Sorry if TMI.)

QueenStromba Mon 29-Apr-13 11:33:06

DP and I both have waist length hair so that could well be it. The little bit on the bath mat didn't look dry.

She seems to be enjoying the cat milk and it's not stopping her eating her food or even drinking her water. I might start giving it to her every day - the extra calories and fluid will probably do her some good.

QueenStromba Mon 06-May-13 15:11:31

She's not had much of an appetite since Thursday. I thought it was because we had a decorator in on Thursday and Friday and she was a bit put out by it. I'm not sure exactly how much she's been eating because we always have a fishy tin and a meaty tin on the go which makes it hard to keep track. All she's had so far today is a little bit of milk and a lick of her food. She's still affectionate and has the odd running about like a mad thing episode so she seems alright in herself. Could it be the hot weather that's bothering her or should I be worried?

cozietoesie Mon 06-May-13 16:21:25

Has she got water down for her, QS? And how has her tray been? (If they get a bit constipated, their intake sometimes drops.)

QueenStromba Mon 06-May-13 16:44:31

She's just eaten the 70g or so of fish flavour that I put down when she wasn't interested in the chicken flavour, plus some of the chicken stuff. We didn't get up til 10 this morning so I'm thinking that she might have polished off her supper and her milk just before we got up. She does have water too.

There was a wee and a poo in the litter tray when I got up but she hasn't been since. She's been doing about as many wees as normal but fewer poos - three every two days rather than two a day. I think she's been doing fewer poos since she's been eating less rather than the other way around.

Its 24.5 degrees in the flat today. She's flopped out sleeping on the other side of the room to the window so I've got it open even though it's not cat proof - I'm closing it if I leave the room or if she stirs so there's no danger of her jumping out of it. I think a trip to B&Q is in order to get some chicken wire to cat proof the windows is in order.

I'm thinking hooks in each corner of the windows to hold the chicken wire in place?

cozietoesie Mon 06-May-13 16:57:32

If it's hot they won't eat so much - less energy needed and more zonked out - so it sounds OK. OK enough to go for a few days and just keep an eye on her, anyway.

I'm not a huge DIY expert but hooks sound OK if you don't have much wind. As an older girl and a housecat, you're not really trying to repulse an all-out attack but more putting it in as a gentle preventative, I think.

See how she reacts to it with you in the room.

QueenStromba Mon 06-May-13 19:06:35

I felt really mean yesterday. She nipped at me so I put her outside of the sitting room for five minutes. I kind of expected her to just go and sleep on the bed but when I opened the door five minutes later she was sitting there waiting to come back in. I know that's a good thing for training her not to bite but it just made me feel so mean. I am a soppy bugger.

I'll try to keep better track of how much she's eating. I think she's had about 100g plus a bit of milk today and actually she'll probably have another 100g by tomorrow morning so I'm just being silly.

cozietoesie Mon 06-May-13 19:19:46

Not silly - just careful. I keep a weather eye on Seniorboy's intake and tray use all the time, particularly because he's an older boy. It's just something you notice.

Well done for excluding her for nipping. I don't feel mean at all for doing it - you do a bad thing, you reap the consequences and they get to know pretty quickly. In fact, her sitting there waiting means she would have been thinking about it so is good.

QueenStromba Wed 08-May-13 18:04:01

She's got her appetite back now - must have been the heat. I think she was just doing most of her eating in the cooler hours.

How do you enforce the only scratching in allowed places rule cozie? Rice has various bits of cardboard around the flat that we put down for her after she ripped a collapsed cardboard box to shreds. She's figured out that scratching the one in the bedroom means she gets dreamies. She also knows she's not supposed to scratch the carpet because she stops when we shout oi at her and runs away scared if we catch her at it (she looks expectant at us after scratching the cardboard in the bedroom). She just doesn't seem to properly get that cardboard is ok but the carpet isn't though. I'm pretty sure if we took away the bit of cardboard in the bedroom she'd scratch the carpet and expect dreamies for it because she runs away after scratching cardboard in other bits of the flat.

I've just gone and put cardboard over all of the bits of carpet with claw marks. What else can I do? We've tried picking her up and putting her on something she's allowed to scratch when we catch her but that just scares the crap out of her.

cozietoesie Wed 08-May-13 22:22:49

Praise when they do right and telling off when they do wrong. But the most important thing, because they have to scratch to feel good, is finding out what they like to scratch and giving them that absolutely - item and location. Scratching the carpet is fine if you give her a sacrificial carpet sample for example and if she has free run of the flat, she should only use that and not go for any alternate carpet.

I'm just wondering - does Rice actually have one thing, in one place, that is her scratching thing? She sounds just the teensiest bit confused to me.

QueenStromba Thu 09-May-13 14:23:49

She seems really clever in some ways but really thick in others. Yesterday I asked DP to get me some of her nice food (force of habit calling it that) from the kitchen and when I went into the living room to put some in her bowl she was sitting beside it expectantly - I'm sure she's understood that "nice food" is wet food for at least a month now which is impressive since she's probably had 15 years of it being called dinner or whatever.

We've been giving her dreamies and praise when she scratches the right things and shouting at her when she scratches the wrong things but she doesn't seem to quite get it. Maybe she just likes a mix of carpet and cardboard or maybe you're right about her being confused by the mix of things she's allowed scratch. We let her scratch the rugs because they're ours and cheap to replace but don't encourage her to do it. She only gets told off for the carpet and the sofa (which she only scratches occasionally). We spent a while trying to encourage her to scratch her cat tree but she has no interest in it (it is useful to put your food on top of if you have to leave the room and you don't want Rice to eat it though).

Maybe we just need to persist with the cardboard. We've now got packets of dreamies all over the house for if we see her scratching any cardboard (they're a quid a packet in Sainsburys at the moment). She did learn that scratching the bit in the bedroom = dreamies pretty quickly, probably because we tend to be in bed when she does it and I have a packet of dreamies on my bedside table. She was using the original shredded box in the office as a dreamies cow earlier - scratch, scratch, give her some dreamies followed 5 seconds later by another scratch, scratch and some more dreamies. She also got some dreamies for a tentative scratch at another bit of cardboard that she's not sure she's allowed to scratch yet.

cozietoesie Thu 09-May-13 14:48:07

I've generally used a carpet sample or a 'sacrificial' rug. At the moment I'm OK because Seniorboy has a scratching chair - a beaten up old heavy-cloth-upholstered armchair - which is only kept for that purpose and which he knows is his to have at.

He doesn't scratch anywhere else and in fact all my boys, once a place and item is authorized, have used only that if they can get to it. My instinct and experience are that they're far better at remembering scratching 'place' than clocking a 'type of scratching subject' which is why I wondered if Rice might be a wee bit confused because you seem to be going for type over location.

I think if I were you, I'd nominate one location and one only - and then decide what she can scratch there. I know that thecatneuterer swears by scratching boxes which she says attract 9/10 cats. (Note - the boxes and not the pads) so one of those might be worth a try.

Just my suggestions anyway.

smile

Yes Cozie I do swear by those scratchboxes. But I think QS said she'd tried them. Other than that the only way I know how to deal with scratching is by having no carpet (I even got the stairs sanded) and by smothering the sofa in throws. Well that, and simply giving up caring. None of that is much use to QS though so I'm stumped. I do like the idea of sacrificial pieces of carpet though and intend to suggest those to people in future. (in other news, my big, smelly, noisy dog is about to go and leave me and the cats in peace - yay!)

QueenStromba Sun 12-May-13 20:37:12

Gah! I didn't notice that when I ordered 4 fishy and 4 meaty Butcher's Classic from Sainsbury's that they actually delivered 1 fishy and 7 meaty. I specifically said no substitutions for them and it wasn't mentioned when it was delivered. I just picked out the one fishy flavour and one of the meaty ones and put the rest in the cupboard without looking at them. I'm rather annoyed since she really likes the fishy ones. I've just placed an Ocado order to get her some of the fishy ones.

I'm definitely going to complain to Sainsbury's now about their lack of Classic.

cozietoesie Sun 12-May-13 20:56:12

I use Sainsbury's - just complain if you said no substitutions, explain the problem and you should get a refund. If they don't ask you to give back the food, the local rescue will have an unexpected present I guess?

Pity you live so far away or we could do a Jack Sprat. (Seniorboy much prefers meaty to fishy.)

QueenStromba Tue 14-May-13 14:00:20

She does like the meaty ones too so it's not the end of the world - we're just going to have four month's worth of cat food in the cupboard!

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