very very sick cat :-(

(122 Posts)
iamapushymum Sun 09-Dec-12 22:32:45

Our year old cat started looking ill on Friday night .Just sitting still with glazed eyes and overnight she vomited bile.Saturday she drunk a little cat milk and water and licked at a roast chicken breast.She managed to walk to the litter tray to wee(once) but didn't poo all day.She stayed in a hunched position and her body kept spasming
Today she has just lain on her side all day eyes open and had 2 tiny drinks of water.No wees no poos and this evening she can't even walk as one of her back legs doesn't seem able to support her weight.If she makes it through the night we'll take her to the vet tomorrow (not open weekends and there is £150 call out for home visit which I literally haven't got, having just had a huge car repair bill.)
At first we thought she had been poisoned because she loves drinking out of the shower tray and DH used a new cleaner and didn't rinse.But I'm wondering now wheter her back leg is fractured.
Anyone get any ideas

Fluffycloudland77 Sun 09-Dec-12 22:40:41

No, but pets at home have companion care vets, I've used them at the weekends twice for our cat and been happy with the care recieved.

I think home cleaners usually have bitrex in them to make them unpalateable to animals.

I hope she makes it.

xkcdfangirl Sun 09-Dec-12 22:41:37

I'm sorry but the callout fee is irrelevant - you are responsible for this cat's wellbeing, and if you put money ahead of that responsibility you should not have pets. That cat is seriously suffering and needs vetinary attention now, not in the morning. Either cough up the callout fee or if you won't do that then take her to the nearest RSPCA/PDSA.

Kormachameleon Sun 09-Dec-12 22:44:30

Fucking hell are you serious ?

You left a sick and most likely in pain cat all weekend because you don't have £150 quid

I cannot even write what i think of you

MNPdoesYULETIDE Mon 10-Dec-12 00:50:54

sad poor cat

iamapushymum Mon 10-Dec-12 08:16:34

xkcdfangirl - the callout fee is irrelevant
kormachameleonYou left a sick and most likely in pain cat all weekend because you don't have £150 quid

what stupid posts.What do you suggest I did?
Call the vet out and then say sorry but I am not going to pay you!!i have been on the PDSA website and they don't fund emergency callouts and in any case only fund people who get council tax benefit!

glitch Mon 10-Dec-12 08:18:49

If you can't afford emergency call out fees you really shouldn't have a pet IMO.

If the cat has survived perhaps you could see if it can be rehomed to someone who can look after it in a more humane way.

SecretSantaFix Mon 10-Dec-12 08:20:05

Most vets are reasonable with regards to payments if there are difficulties.

When my my cats were unwell when we were young, we were allowed to pay in installments for any treatment needed.

I hope you get her to the vet immediately this morning- she sounds very unwell.

georgie22 Mon 10-Dec-12 08:36:39

How can you suggest that the posts challenging you on not taking your sick cat to the vet are stupid? From your description of your cat she is clearly very unwell and you have made the decision to wait until today to take her to the vets. If you have a pet then there is a responsibility for you to care for that animal as needed so if you are unable to pay emergency vet bills I'd suggest you get the poor cat rehomed (that's if she survives). You actually sound quite heartless - how could you watch her like that?

georgie22 Mon 10-Dec-12 08:41:02

Just re-read your OP and your cat was first unwell on Friday. Some vets have a normal clinic on Saturdays so why didn't you get her seen then? My cat is a pain in the bum but if I thought for one minute he was suffering he'd be at the vets.

stookiesackhouse Mon 10-Dec-12 08:42:58

Does she go out? Could be poisoning. Or symptoms sound similar to a stroke. I am no expert though.

She should have been taken to the vet straight away.

Floralnomad Mon 10-Dec-12 08:44:20

How do you propose to pay the vet today then , assuming she survived the night ? If the vet says it will cost £150+ are you having her PTS. If you can't afford to take an animal to a vet get insurance or don't have a pet . BTW having posted on here in quite a lot of detail how ill your cat is you could run the risk of prosecution from the RSPCA for causing unnecessary suffering.

Fluffycloudland77 Mon 10-Dec-12 09:06:11

Good luck today with the vet op, just get her down there and see what they say.

iamapushymum Mon 10-Dec-12 10:30:17

I took her in first thing this morning and the vet said he thinks she has kidney failure and is unlikely to make it.He says it has most likely been caused by poisonous seed pods stuck to her fur.
He is going to give her fluids and a sedative and do some tests and we'll take it from there.
Fingers crossed

you could run the risk of prosecution from the RSPCA for causing unnecessary suffering. rubbish I haven't caused suffering.
If I took a service knowing I had no means of paying - now that would be illegal.Technically theft

Kormachameleon Mon 10-Dec-12 10:44:09

I'm sorry about your cat but you are an idiot

Re theft and taking a service that you can't pay for - what about taking an animal on that you can't or won't pay for ?

Did you ring every vet within a 50 mile radius for one that opens Saturdays ? Because that's what I would do for my pets

The reality is that had your cat received medical attention on Friday/Saturday then it would most likely have recovered

tabulahrasa Mon 10-Dec-12 11:26:43

Most vets are open at least part of Saturday, some are open all weekend .

Most vets will accept emergencies and bill you later if you explain or set up a payment plan.

You could have phoned the RSPCA claiming to have found her even, unethical maybe, but better than just leaving her like that!

aPirateInaPearTree Mon 10-Dec-12 11:28:58

sound like my cat, she had feline leukemia. went downhill very quickly.

Cachaca Mon 10-Dec-12 11:34:23

That poor creature. You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about what wasn't possible, without actually trying all that hard. If she vomited bile overnight on Friday, did you ringing a vet's emergency numbers, explaining the situation, asking for some arrangement to be made? And did they turn you down - so you rang all the other vets, and they turned you down as well?

Lonecatwithkitten Mon 10-Dec-12 14:04:31

To clarify one point failure to seek veterinary attention for a sick animal is now a criminal offence as of the 2006 Animal Act. I am appearing as a professional witness in a very similar case in all likelihood a 10 year ban on keeping animals will be imposed by the courts in the case I am involved in.
The vast majority of independent (not corporate) practices will allow payment over time in exactly these circumstances.
It is illegal for a veterinary surgeon to refuse to see a seriously ill animal just because the owners can't pay. We must at least provide emergency treatment.
I know this can't change the course for this cat, but will hopefully give others the information they need.

CajaDeLaMemoria Mon 10-Dec-12 14:11:59

I hope that she makes it. Did you tell your vet honestly when the symptoms began? If you haven't, please make sure that they are aware of how serious it was then. From a medical point of view, it is extremely important to know when the kidneys began to deteriorate, and how quick the deterioration has happened. There is nothing you can do about how long it took for her to be seen now, but you can make sure the vet has all the information.

I'm crossing my fingers that they can save her. They will do a payment plan if you need it. Most vets say they won't but they are legally obliged too, in most cases, provide medical treatment when it is needed. So they will, they just don't encourage it.

Keep us up to date. I really hope that today wasn't too late.

iamapushymum Mon 10-Dec-12 14:32:09

of course I told him when she began symptoms, although he said her kidneys would most likely have been failing for at least a couple of weeks, but she was full of beans til Friday so I dunno.

Floralnomad Mon 10-Dec-12 15:22:05

I'm sorry but you have caused that cat unnecessary suffering over an entire weekend , it may not have changed the end result ,which hopefully be a positive one , but the cat has had at least 48 hours where it could have been on pain killers / sedation / fluids .

Samvet Mon 10-Dec-12 15:32:12

Lonecat is right. You have committed a criminal offense as you were aware your cat was very unwell and failed to seek treatment. You should have told the vet on call and by law they have to attend and euthanase animals that are suffering even if they never get paid. With acute kidney problems the sooner the better so it is highly unlikely he/she will survive. If you cannot afford pets don't have them. Get insurance which would have covered this. Very upsetting that you do not realize what you did is wrong. No animal should be left to suffer when euthanasia is possible. Your bill I expect will be greater than 150 quid at the end of today.

iamapushymum Mon 10-Dec-12 16:03:51

The cat died.
The vet said the outcome would have nearly certainly been the same whenever I had called as once the kidneys have got to end stage renal failure, that's it.I wish I had not bothered taking her to the vet and let her die peacefully at home .

Floralnomad Mon 10-Dec-12 16:06:51

That's a terrible thing to say ,I hope you don't have any other animals and don't intend to get any more as you are clearly not a suitable owner . Poor cat .

CajaDeLaMemoria Mon 10-Dec-12 16:07:53

Don't wish you hadn't taken her.

The vet doesn't know. They guess, based on test results, and what you say.

It sounds to me like she entered kidney failure on Friday evening. There is a very small window where anything can be done. Even Saturday evening probably would have been too late.

Friday...well, nobody can say. But if she was fine before, then she likely would have made it had she had medical attention then. The facts can't be argued with. From a medical point of view, and a veterinary point of view, Friday would have given her a bloody good chance. But your vet has to worry about retaining you as a customer, and not making you feel too bad, so they say kind things.

I am very sorry. But you did the right thing taking her in the end. It was worth the chance that they could still treat her. It was also better for her to go having presumably had some pain relief, as kidney problems are immensely painful.

RIP, little one.

CajaDeLaMemoria Mon 10-Dec-12 16:09:00

As an aside, one year old cats don't usually get renal failure. Did the vet specify what might have caused this? Did you mention the cleaning fluid?

If you've got other pets, make sure you've really cleaned wherever you put it, just in case.

iamapushymum Mon 10-Dec-12 16:14:59

Samvet- You are talking rubbish .I am not a vet.How am I supposed to tell the difference between kidney failure and a run of the mill illness.How would I know the cat was a euthanasia candidate, and the vet would have to attend for free? Do you call 999 everytime one your kids throws up? Or do they lie quiet and sleeping until they are better? Your post is clearly self-serving to the profession you are in
The 2006 ACt does not apply to people who wait til morning to call the vet.It applies to deliberate cruelty eg people leaving horses with broken legs

iamapushymum Mon 10-Dec-12 16:18:49

He said it was most likely to have been a lily pod that had got caught in her fur and poisoned her.Next door have lillies (and ironically 3 cats who are as fit as fiddles). He said that cleaning fluids were too bitter tasting to do much harm
.We started her on dried food about a month ago though.I am wondering whether that could have caused a problem-I've heard of that before UI certainly put down her thirstiness to that

cozietoesie Mon 10-Dec-12 16:19:10

Sorry - I was staying off this thread but that post is too much. You didn't wait until morning. You waited over an entire weekend with your cat hunched, spasming, lying on her side, unable to walk and so on.

Samvet (and Lonecat) are absolutely not 'self-serving' contributors to this board. They're an enormous help to everyone - and remember they're not obliged to come here and post but do it from the goodness of their heart. As do we all.

I really think you better take a tumble to yourself.

Charlie01234 Mon 10-Dec-12 16:21:07

What a shocking story - how could anyone look at a very sick cat for a whole weekend and do nothing about it. Poor little thing.

georgie22 Mon 10-Dec-12 16:24:54

Sorry about your cat (although you don't seem very bothered). The cat may have died anyway but that doesn't absolve you of being the person responsible for her suffering over the weekend. Take a tip and don't have any more pets.

Floralnomad Mon 10-Dec-12 16:25:33

You need to read your OP , you said that on Friday it vomited and had glazed eyes and on Saturday stayed in a hunched position spasming. If a child was doing that I would hope you'd be ringing an ambulance ! The law on neglecting animals does apply to people like you !

Charlie01234 Mon 10-Dec-12 16:28:26

AND PLEASE DONT EVER GET ANOTHER PET

BeataNoxPotter Mon 10-Dec-12 16:36:48

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

SecretSantaFix Mon 10-Dec-12 16:40:11

what about anti freeze?

Plus it wasn't a case of waiting till morning- you did notice she was unwell on Friday.

mollymole Mon 10-Dec-12 16:41:26

I hope that you NEVER have an animal again as you are obviously unable to look after pets. You did know the cat was very unwell , yet you made very little effort to find a vet. If you cannot vet fees don't have pets , so very simple. If I had my way you would be prosecuted.

QueenOfCats Mon 10-Dec-12 16:45:48

What an awful, unnecessarily prolonged death that poor cat had.

How could you, in all consciousness, watch that animal suffer over an entire weekend?

I'm appalled, thoroughly. Please, don't get another cat, or any small creature that will depend on you for it's well being.

Cachaca Mon 10-Dec-12 16:53:03

How am I supposed to tell the difference between kidney failure and a run of the mill illness.
You aren't. You can't. That's a job for a VET.

How would I know the cat was a euthanasia candidate, and the vet would have to attend for free?
Says it all. The money was more important to you than the life of your cat. You didn't even try to get an arrangement in place. Too bad for your cat.

Do you call 999 everytime one your kids throws up? Or do they lie quiet and sleeping until they are better?
When they "throw up", then of course they lie sleeping. When they are hunched and spasming, urinating inadequately and I'm wondering whether one of their legs is fractured, then I get them the hell to a doctor.

You should be utterly, completely ashamed of yourself, not displaying such ignorant smugness towards people who would have looked after your cat properly.

bamboobutton Mon 10-Dec-12 16:55:18

Jesus Christ! You make me sick. poor, poor cat.

My cat had similar symptoms, we got him to the vet the same day we noticed them. It was touch and go but he survived. So could your cat if you had cared enough.

It cost us a fortune as we had no insurance but we cared about our cat more than money, unlike you.

Rikalaily Mon 10-Dec-12 16:55:35

You are a disgrace OP. You put money before your cats welfare, you knew she was sick enough for you to query a broken limb. You have shown no regret or remorse for your actions and you have shown not one bit of affection towards your cat on this thread - 'The cat died', is that all you have to say about a pet that was supposed to be part of your family!

We are a pretty skint, below average income single earner, four kids but we have paid out nearly £2k in vets bills this year when 2 of our cats became ill, our youngest one was only 2 years old and we did everything we could for her but in the end she was PTS. Our oldest cat had a urinary blockage last month, £1k in vet bills for 3 days kept in, a catheter, tests and loads of meds, he's had numerous UTI's and kidney infections in the past and I knew instantly that he was very poorly each time and he was treated straight away and recovered quickly. I know from my own cats kidney/bladder problems that you know they are ill almost straight away, you can't mistake it.

Your cat suffered horribly and died because you witheld treatment that she should have had as soon as she started throwing up bile let alone when she was glaze eyed and laying in her bed in agony with spasms and renal failure. You could have called a vet and they would have told you on Friday that she needed seeing. Cats are tough creatures and if they start showing signs of illness, especially not eating you know they need treatment immediately. My boy was still eating when he had his blockage, but I knew he was ill. His symptoms seemed to be constipation but I knew he wasn't right so took him to the vet. A cat has 24 hours after poisoning/blockage before they start to get organ failure. Your cat wasn't ill for weeks, she ate Lily probably on Friday and became ill immediately, lily is extremely toxic to cats and hits them fast. If she'd been put on a drip immediately she probably would have lived, you took that chance away from her.

Don't have pets if you are not willing to treat them like any other member of your family, they have only thier owner to look out for them. I hope that her treatment today and her euthanasia have hit you hard in the bank balance seeing as that was the only thing that concerned you. You wish you'd left her to die peacefully at home! She was in agony you cruel and heartless person, her passing would not have been peaceful at all, cats don't cry out when in pain, they lie down and quietly wait for the end to come no matter how they are suffering. My mum died from organ failure and I can assure you that even despite the morphine pump she had she was in agony until the end and you put your cat through that with no pain relief all weekend.

I feel sick reading this thread and I feel even more sick that you think you can defend your lack of care for your cat. I hope you don't have any more pets and that your vet reports you, I know I certainally would.

hellymelly Mon 10-Dec-12 16:55:39

Letting her die at home would not have been a "peaceful" death, it would have been a painful and horrible death. I agree with others here who think you have been negligent, most vets are open Saturday mornings and that is the latest she should have been seen. Waiting overnight to see if an animal picks up, if you have no way of getting to a vet, might be ok. Leaving her a whole weekend suffering is not. Get pet insurance if you ever get another animal.

iamapushymum Mon 10-Dec-12 17:04:29

' A cat has 24 hours after poisoning/blockage before they start to get organ failure. Your cat wasn't ill for weeks, she ate Lily probably on Friday and became ill immediately, lily is extremely toxic to cats and hits them fast. If she'd been put on a drip immediately she probably would have lived, you took that chance away from her'
well the vet said that by the size of her kidneys and by the condition of her gums that it had been coming on for at least a couple of weeks.He didn't know it was lily poisoning , he just said it was a common cause and I knw next door have them.
Also the other side next door has put down rat poison uinder her shed recently.I wonder if that would have caused kidney failure( if she had eaten a mouse contaminated?)

iamapushymum Mon 10-Dec-12 17:05:58

Actually that's an interesting point.You can put down poison to deliberately cause a wild rodent an agonising death

bamboobutton Mon 10-Dec-12 17:16:19

It doesn't matter what caused it, you left an animal suffering for days to save your wallet.

You are a disgrace.

Lifeisontheup Mon 10-Dec-12 17:18:19

Your cat was in pain all weekend, when an animal shakes and its not just got cold it is a sign of extreme pain. You should never get an animal if you can't afford to insure it or pay for any unexpected vet bills.
Insurance isn't even really expensive for a young cat. I'm normally very pragmatic about my pets but they are never left in pain. My dog has renal failure ,the first signs were her shivering uncontrollably and not eating, she went to the weekend vets and they were able to make her comfortable until we could get her to our own vets on the Monday, she now has heart failure and the treatment to keep her comfortable is expensive but that's what we've been paying insurance for the last 13 years for.

iamapushymum Mon 10-Dec-12 17:42:51

Well I think you are cruel and stupid keeping an animal with heart failure going for your own gratification.
The fact is that in thefield at the bottom of my garden there will be animals dying in pain in the hedgerows, my neigbours rats dying of poisoniong under the shed.That is the lot of 99% of animals when they die.You seem to be conveniently forgetting that .The cat was warm and in familiar safe surroundings.i don't think she was in pain the last day or so because she was out of it .
Anyway we are getting a new kitten from a nearby farm, which will be ready before xmas smile

georgie22 Mon 10-Dec-12 17:55:55

God you make me sick. Oh well I'll pray for karma. You're despicable in your complete and utter contempt for the reactions of other posters to the neglectful way in which you treated your poor cat. Please please don't have another cat. You should be reported to the RSPCA.

BeataNoxPotter Mon 10-Dec-12 18:01:41

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

bamboobutton Mon 10-Dec-12 18:04:14

Animals dying in the hedgerow has fuck all to do with it. Stop trying to derail the thread, you left an animal suffering.

Think you are trolling now. Cat from a farm? pffffffffffft.

Charlie01234 Mon 10-Dec-12 18:05:24

You really don't get it do you? No remorse or sadness about an animal you sat and watched in pain ALL WEEKEND and you're getting another one next week. That makes me sick - You have neglected an animal and you are just going to go out and get another one - how are you going to afford its jabs and getting it neutered? Oh sorry, I forgot, you just wont bother will you.

Kormachameleon Mon 10-Dec-12 18:06:48

You make me sick

I cannot even put into words what I think of you

aJumpedUpChristmasElf Mon 10-Dec-12 18:07:05

Your poor cat. I think the way you have behaved is awful

OP, do you really think getting a kitten is wise? If there is anything wrong with it you won't be able to afford treatment.

iamapushymum Mon 10-Dec-12 18:07:11

Think you are trolling now. Cat from a farm? pffffffffffft.

why is it trolling? Where do you think people get kittens from ?confused

Oh and perhaps if the sanctimonious samvet and her ilk didn't charge such extortionate fees, then people would be abit more willing to call them out in an emergency

iamapushymum Mon 10-Dec-12 18:09:12

'No remorse or sadness about an animal you sat and watched in pain ALL WEEKEND and you're getting another one next week'

..of course i'm sad and the kids are in pieces which is why I have been sourcing another kitten today.I will get it spayed but not vaccinated

aJumpedUpChristmasElf Mon 10-Dec-12 18:10:37

Perhaps people should think about whether they can afford a pet before they get one.

All my pets have come from rescue, not farms. This week I have just paid a £250 vet bill, and while it is hard to find the money it was my choice to have pets and I will ensure I can keep them well cared for and pain free.

Lifeisontheup Mon 10-Dec-12 18:13:52

How dare you! I'm appalled at your callous disregard for your own animals well being and life and yet you have the temerity to criticise me for not killing my happy dog who has just been for two half hour walks and is eating happily and is not in any pain.

I really think you should take a long hard look at yourself. In my opinion you are not fir to be put in charge of an empty nursery let alone a living breathing creature who you cannot be bothered to care for properly.

QueenOfCats Mon 10-Dec-12 18:16:22

Animals in hedgerows don't have owners who are supposed to care for and protect them.

A pet is supposed to be part of your family. I care for my cats the same way I care for my child. If one of my cats is unwell or injured in any way, day or night, they get the medical attention they deserve. I have taken my cat to the vet for far less that you stated in your op.

I love them. To see them in pain or distress would be the same for me as seeing my child in pain or distress. I wouldn't just leave them regardless of how much it would cost me.

Jesus Christ - you could have come to an arrangement with the vet over payment. I have done so before. But maybe that's because I am a loving, caring an responsible pet owner.

I'm positively sickened by you OP.

That poor kitten you intend to get, God only knows how the poor little mite will fare lumped with you as an owner.

aJumpedUpChristmasElf Mon 10-Dec-12 18:17:11

Lifeisontheup ignore her, anyone who would treat an animal in the way she has doesn't have any understanding of how to treat an animal humanely.

QueenOfCats Mon 10-Dec-12 18:18:27

Not vaccinated? Of course not. That would require you to release some money from your sweaty little palms. Just let it get sick and die, or spread disease to other animals. Great idea.

BeataNoxPotter Mon 10-Dec-12 18:20:05

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

hellhasnofurylikeahungrywoman Mon 10-Dec-12 18:20:07

Did you phone any of these 'sanctimonious' vets at any time for advice?

QueenOfCats Mon 10-Dec-12 18:22:27

And OP, your kids are in pieces because of YOU and your wilfully irresponsible actions. Think about that before you get another kitten that you have already admitted you will neglect.

bamboobutton Mon 10-Dec-12 18:26:51

i think you are saying you are getting a new cat to get a reaction, that is called trolling.

If it's true then i feel sorry for you as you are obviously terminally stupid.

StuffezLaBouche Mon 10-Dec-12 18:28:49

This is genuinely one of the most horrible threads I've read on MN. OP your actions are despicable and you don't deserve the privilege of keeping pets. I live my whole fucking life skint but if my cat needed emergency treatment for the sake of £150 I would beg or borrow until I had that money. And as others have said, there are financial options.

How on earth you went about your business over the weekend, walking back and forth past a convulsing animal in agony chills me. You clearly don't give a shit.

Some fucking people.

IsaXMASbelleRinging Mon 10-Dec-12 18:31:20

I think you are an irresponsible and uncaring owner.

You should have taken the cat to the vet at the first sign of illness.

I can't imagine leaving either of my poor cats to die in such clear distress without seeking medical attention for them immediately, they are pets, not wild animals. Your cat clearly had something seriously wrong and you knew it.

The vets fees could have been sorted at a later date or put on a credit card.

Actually, people like you make me SICK!

Lonecatwithkitten Mon 10-Dec-12 18:50:32

Have you recently tried to call a plumber out at a weekend? They make vets look cheap.
Having just gone through my outstanding invoices for the month and looked at the number of people I have paying off 20 or do pounds a month to clear their bill I know my conscious is clear.

EnjoyResponsibly Mon 10-Dec-12 18:55:06

Here's the difference between you and me OP.

1. I have my cats spayed vaccinated and insured. I investigated this before I got them so that I knew I could give them the best care.

2. I noticed on a Sunday morning about 6 weeks ago that one had a lump by her tail and was a bit ill looking. So I quickly posted on here and was informed by MNers about the Vets at Home vets. Less than 2 hours later I had her registered and lanced. The cost was £50. On a Sunday

There's no point anyone telling you not to get another pet. You're that fucking stupid you'll never listen, but by God karma's a going to whack you a good one one day.

Lifeisontheup Mon 10-Dec-12 19:10:07

This thread has made me so cross, very unusual for me. Our dog is spayed, vaccinated and now medicated to make sure she is pain free and happy. When the day comes when she isn't we will take her to be PTS however hard that may be and even if, god forbid, it happens over Christmas. We have already checked that our out of hours vet is on call over Christmas and we know it will be expensive but I could not live with the fact that I'd left my faithful companion for nearly 14 years in pain and distressed.
They ask so little of us and give so much love back.

Floralnomad Mon 10-Dec-12 19:15:55

I also think you're saying about getting another cat to get a reaction . I sincerely hope that someone in RL recognises you from this thread and either reports you or "outs " you where you live so that everyone knows what a truly uncaring ,irresponsible and selfish person you are. At least when you're poor cat died at the vets she would have been in the company of people who cared about her .

glitch Mon 10-Dec-12 19:25:30

Either this is a rather odd wind up thread or you really are one of the most unpleasant people I have come across on MN.

I would ring every memeber of my family and every one of my friends to borrow the money if my cat was ill.

But I wouldn't need to...as I knew my responsibility when I got her, and had her vaccinated..and spayed...and insured.

She is part of my family...and money is really no object.

MrsApplepants Mon 10-Dec-12 19:56:12

Please don't get another cat OP. Get a teddy bear instead. They don't need vaccinating, insurance or vet care which you clearly aren't going to provide.

Charlie01234 Mon 10-Dec-12 20:14:23

I wouldnt even trust the op to be able to look after a teddy tbh

lurkingfromhome Tue 11-Dec-12 09:50:17

Speechless. Utterly disgusted. To think of that poor cat lying in agony and suffering a painful death makes me want to weep. There are many ways to find £150. And if that really is impossible, it's simple: don't have a pet. As soon as you take on a pet, you have a responsibility to ensure it is happy, healthy and loved. If you cannot fulfil your end of the bargain, then just don't. Really, just don't.

stinkyfluffycat Tue 11-Dec-12 10:01:24

Please do not get another cat.

iamapushymum Tue 11-Dec-12 13:05:47

what ridiculous posts!
It's like saying if you get made redundant get your kids rehomed - you can't afford them anymore.
And lonecat to equate leaving a cat with a broken off tail suffereing for weeks is in no way teh same as to not call a vet immediately to a cat clearly very close to death.
If the vet though I had crossed the legal threshold for cruelty, he gave no indication.Wouldn't he have a duty to report suspected animal abuse?

Lifeisontheup Tue 11-Dec-12 13:23:13

I am presuming you wouldn't leave your children in agony for a weekend regardless. Why was your cat not insured? It's about £52 per year so hardly a huge price and if you can't afford it you don't get a cat- it's really quite simple.
And don't assume the vet hasn't reported you, they don't have to tell you.

MrsGrumps Tue 11-Dec-12 14:20:00

Stunned by this thread.

IAAPM, I'm sorry for your loss but I think you should not have started this thread.

EasilyBored Tue 11-Dec-12 14:52:22

Sorry, but why wasn't the cat insured? It's less that £4 a month to insure my 3 year old cat, it's pennies when you look at the cost of vets bills.

IsaXMASbelleRinging Tue 11-Dec-12 16:34:39

So, if you were short of cash you would let your kids suffer? That is what you did to that cat! And, yes, if you can't afford to give adequate care to a pet you should re-home it, that is what happens every day across the country and one of the reasons why there are shelters full of unwanted pets.

You sound horrid. I pity you.

IsaXMASbelleRinging Tue 11-Dec-12 16:37:35

Sorry, I am struggling to work out what you were thinking!

You reason only pets that can be clearly saved should be treated, and because you thought the cat looked like it might die before the weekend was over it deserved to die a painful death with attempt to treat it or put it out of it's misery!

Horrid, horrid person!

IsaXMASbelleRinging Tue 11-Dec-12 16:38:46

shock

PottedShrimp Tue 11-Dec-12 16:43:11

oh blimey.

larrygrylls Tue 11-Dec-12 16:55:54

Whilst I think that we should give animals the best care we can, I think people in this country are ludicrously oversentimental about our pets. Our cat got bitten and infected the day my first son was born and I have to say the thought did cross my mind, after returning from hospital at midnight, to leave her until the morning. However, I took her to the emergency vet where she got a shot of long lasting antibiotics. It cost well over £150, though. The difference is that I have £150 and it really means very little to me. On the other hand, I can sympathise with those that don't. The OP took the cat to the vet first thing on Monday morning and came on here asking for advice ahead of that.

I also know people from the countryside where animals are considered primarily for work, rather than members of the family. I really don't think it is wrong to have a pet unless you can afford the best vet treatment available. After all, I see many threads in "Children's health" where people leave sick children several days as they cannot get a GP's appointment and don't want a long wait in A&E! I don't see many condemning them for not calling out a private GP, who would come out for £150 or less.

I do think some of the tone of the OP's posts are a little strange but everyone deals with things differently. The condemnation for her is way way over the top. Her cat may not get the best care available at any price but she certainly gave it reasonable care, and I think that is fair enough for an animal. Maybe she needed the £150 to feed her children, for instance.

BeataNoxPotter Tue 11-Dec-12 16:58:55

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larrygrylls Tue 11-Dec-12 17:05:42

Beata,

It is not always so easy. For instance, our cat just adopted us aged 7 (we found that out from an old chip it had). We could not have insured it due to age. If we had no money, should we not have adopted it and allowed it to remain feral?

I think pets are a wonderful thing for children (and adults) but sometimes they get ill and die, sadly. I know someone who paid £5,000 for an operation on a dog, probably life saving. No insurance would have paid for that. Should someone who could not fork that out therefore not be allowed a pet?

I think we have to be realistic. As long as pets are not mistreated or allowed to linger in pain, some will have pampered lives and others lives more ordinary..a bit like us people, really. Not every pet will be at the top of the chain. As long as they are loved during their lives and decent care taken of their needs, personally I think that is fair enough.

BeataNoxPotter Tue 11-Dec-12 17:10:27

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CajaDeLaMemoria Tue 11-Dec-12 17:11:40

If the operation was life-saving, the insurance may well have paid for it. I've been involved in both privately-funded and insurance-funded operations worth far more than that.

The point here is not how you treat your pets or what you can afford. It doesn't matter if your cats sleep on the floor or if they have their own sofas...if you have a pet, you need to be able to get it emergency care should your pet need it.

FWIW, the vets would have admitted and treated the OPs cat on Friday night, whether she could pay or not. It would have been illegal to turn her away.

This thread has made me so sad. Veterinary care is expensive, there is no denying that. But it's also difficult, and heartbreaking, and there are processes and options in place. No vet will turn away a very sick cat. Insurance is pretty cheap if you take it out with the right place. Most places will offer a payment plan even if they don't want too, it's preferable to not getting paid at all.

That poor, poor cat. Please cut away the lilies before your kitten comes. It would take a lot less to kill a smaller cat, and they are highly toxic and smell very tempting. It causes huge kidney damage in a very small amount of time, and you'll go through the same horrible cycle again.

larrygrylls Tue 11-Dec-12 17:16:30

Caja,

Personally, I feel that if people cared as much as they claim in this thread, there would be a lot more charity funded emergency animal care. And I did not notice one reply to the OP on Sunday evening offering to settle an emergency vet bill (easy to verify truth thereof) despite many posters on here clearly having plenty of spare money. It is easy to condemn, less easy to help.

When you say that vets would have admitted and treated the OP's cat, what would have happened then? She would have been billed for possibly £100s or even £1,000s. And if she were unable to pay, bang goes her credit record.

Fortunately I can pay for my cat but I did think that there were organisations which offered free emergency treatment. Am I wrong?

BeataNoxPotter Tue 11-Dec-12 17:17:55

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Lifeisontheup Tue 11-Dec-12 17:35:34

Argos does pet insurance for older animals ,I got it when my dog was 12 as did a friend when his was 13. I would not have condemned her if she had the cat PTS humanely, it was the callous disregard for an animal in pain and then the assumption that she'll get a replacement but still not insure it. No one is forced to have a pet.

hellymelly Tue 11-Dec-12 17:42:54

Larry- I think if someone posted on here that they had left their child dying and in pain all weekend there would be a national uproar and a prison sentence. It isn't being sentimental to keep an animal pain free when that animal is your responsibility, it is kind, and it is humane. I once lived alone with no telephone, I was young and broke. one night late, my cat came home and started vomiting. I syringed him fluids through the night, and woke a neighbour at 7 a.m to borrow some money and to help me get him to the vet. He died. I have no way of knowing if he would have died anyway, but it is likely that even that short delay cost him his life as he would have been put on a drip had I got him to a vet sooner. I now never leave an animal for any length of time when ill as it is too big a risk to take, I naively thought that first thing in the morning would be fine. Even in that situation I would not have left him all weekend suffering, I would have begged a vet for credit, borrowed money, anything, and I still feel guilty two decades on, that my cat might have been saved if I had acted sooner.

IsaXMASbelleRinging Tue 11-Dec-12 17:57:24

Fair enough Larry, she shouldn't have the cat then!!!!! Pets are optional.

Floralnomad Tue 11-Dec-12 18:52:16

larry the Thread was started at about 22.30 on Sunday and had only 3 responses,probably because of the time of night , all the other responses were on Monday when she was taking it to the vet. Perhaps if she'd asked for advice on Friday when it was vomiting or Saturday when it was glazed and spasming she would have had more sympathy or advice re getting treatment ,indeed I'm sure one of the vets that has since posted could have told her about the legalities of emergency vets ! Also I'm sure on Saturday someone would have offered to pay .

QuietTiger Tue 11-Dec-12 20:22:57

This thread has made me BEYOND angry.

OP - I am speechless and utterly disgusted at you.You cat was CLEARLY ill, yet you failed to get it medical treatment.

Bluntly, I went through this EXACT senario with my dear darling boy 3 weeks ago. He was also poisoned by Lilies. Difference is, he saw a good vet, who got him on to fluids, sent him home on the Friday and was able to make him comfortable. By Saturday, he was going downhill, so he went to the emergency vet at 8pm. By Sunday, we had to make the heart rending decision to Put him to sleep. I could have waited until Monday, it would have been "cheaper" to PTS as I wouldn't have had to pay the emergency fee. But you know what, his welfare came first and at 10pm Sunday we let him go - so that he didn't suffer.

A vet will give first aid and prevent suffering, regardless of if you can pay or not. You didn't give a shit about your cat, you gave a shit about money.

Musomathsci Tue 11-Dec-12 20:27:01

The outcome might well have been the same, but the cat need not have suffered as she did. Shame on you.

Breathtaking, just breathtaking. If you can't afford possible vet fees then don't have a pet. My dogs and cats are not insured but they sure as hell don't suffer. I love them all to bits and would do the best for them - we had 2 brother cats, the first died from liver failure after an attempt to treat, but we had him pts as it didn't work and he was suffering. A year later his brother came down with exactly the same symptoms, he went to the vet who said it was 99.99% likely to be the same so we didn't try treatment and had him pts. We were devastated, but at least felt we had done the right thing for them. I am not hugely sentimental and am realistic about how far to go, but to do what you have done, leave an animal in obvious pain for at least 24 hours is appalling.

The very least you could have done is repay that animal's trust in you by having it put out of its' suffering as quickly as possible. Please don't get another kitten unless you are prepared to insure it, or put the money aside. Actually, given your apparent indifference to animals it's probably best not to.

SDTGisAChristmassyWolefGenius Fri 14-Dec-12 17:52:30

iamapushymum - I am afraid that your cat did suffer, and you did do the wrong thing by not taking them to the vet. You could, and should have rung the vet, explained the symptoms, and told them your financial situation, and I am sure they would have done something to help your cat. You could have rung the RSPCA. You just watched this cat suffer. sad

*Please, please, please do NOT get the kitten unless you are prepared to pay for pet insurance.

maxmillie Fri 14-Dec-12 18:30:50

Whatever rights or wrongs of original situation, I am astounded that you are getting another kitten next week. Truly. Astounded. You couldn't afford £150 for the last one so why on earth are you getting another one? Most insurance excesses are around £100.

CajaDeLaMemoria Fri 14-Dec-12 18:38:16

Larry -

If the OP had taken her cat for treatment on Friday night, the vet would have discussed her options. Kidney failure is one of the first things checked for, especially with the symptoms described. The OP would have been given the options, including prices, and an explanation that by Monday the cat would not be saveable. If it was the OPs decision that they'd rather put the cat to sleep, the vet would have done so. Any treatments would be fully discussed, with prices, so the OP could decide what she could pay for.

Repayments are typically very low. Usually between £8 - 15 a month. Most vets can't offer credit agreements legally and therefore can't affect your credit rating anyway, which is why they aren't keen to accept a repayment plan. But they would have done, because the alternative was to treat the cat for free. The vet could not have left the OPs cat because it was cruelty.

The OP didn't say she'd taken her cat and needed money for treatment. People do donate frequently and generously in those circumstances.

There are also places you can seek help, although they tend to not be well advertised because of the huge amount of people who contact them. I'm not talking about the PDSA, but charities and organisations and vet chains who will treat pets for free or a very low fee. The vet would have looked into this once the OPs inability to pay became obvious.

The veterinary world is far from perfect, I know that. But kidney failure is painful, and absolute agony to watch. Even cats who are being treated for kidney failure will make you sob. They are in pain. They feel like they are dying, and they will cry, and fit, and attack themselves.

If someone bought their cat in that state to any vets, I'd bet my life that the vet would treat it regardless of the financial situation. That can be sorted later.

And cats can be insured from £3, and are generally low-cost unless they are an at-risk breed, so that's extra peace of mind for the owner.

iamapushymum Fri 14-Dec-12 18:56:40

'Even cats who are being treated for kidney failure will make you sob. They are in pain. They feel like they are dying, and they will cry, and fit, and attack themselves'

No it was just very sleepy and lethargic towards the end.I am not denying the cat suffered on the Saturday morning but the fact of the matter is most people over the globe suffer when they die and certainly most wild animals. In our very sheltered lives we tend to be insulated from the harsh reality of death.

FiercePanda Fri 14-Dec-12 19:12:10

By not seeking treatment as soon as you were aware you cat was ill, you caused it needless pain and suffering. You're not fit to have animals of any kind.

iamapushymum Fri 14-Dec-12 19:23:17

I didn't cause it to have pain and suffering.I didn't damage it's kidneys!!!

SDTGisAChristmassyWolefGenius Fri 14-Dec-12 19:35:16

You didn't cause the suffering, but you did prolong it.

Please, please, please tell us that you will get insurance for the kitten.

JustFabulous Fri 14-Dec-12 19:36:08

My God. I have never read such a disgusting set of posts from someone on this topic in all my life. You are so blase about your animal. "The" cat died. "It's" kidneys. No my, no ^he or she.

My cat is 18 and has cost me thousands over the years. I could have had her pts once she started peeing in the lounge but you know what, a few puddles to clean up once in a while are nothing compared to the joy she has given me and I continue to pay the vet's bills even once the insurers cancelled our policy.

OP, you might not have caused the kidney failure but you certainly didn't help the poor cat

angry.

ThePlatypusAlwaysTriumphs Fri 14-Dec-12 19:37:16

Horrified, but sadly not surprised, by this thread sad

I am a vet. I see things like this all the time. It makes me feel ill.

An animal is not a right- it is a luxury item. you don't get an animal unless you can afford to care for it. Vets fees are NOT over-the-top, they are part of owning an animal, same as tax and insurance are part of owning a car. Peple are often well-meaning when they take on animals, but just think: I you didn't take them they might just end up in a home where someone could afford to make sure they didn't suffer needlessly.

you didn't damage it's kidneys, sure, but you left it in obvious pain for 2 days it didn't need to be. And of course you've got another kitten, because, hey, animals are disposable, right?? And you want another kitten, so to hell with what you can actually offer it.

It sucks. It does.

ellenjames Fri 14-Dec-12 19:41:29

you should be ashamed and should never own an animal again.

ThePlatypusAlwaysTriumphs Fri 14-Dec-12 19:43:02

Oh- and can I just ask, OP- are you planning to get this new kitten vaccinated and neutered (as any responsible owner would)? Because you might pay nearly the same for that.....

SDTGisAChristmassyWolefGenius Fri 14-Dec-12 19:47:29

Neutered but not vaccinated, apparently, ThePlatypus. hmm

Lottikins Fri 14-Dec-12 19:49:41

(name changer)
I have seen this sort of thing many times particularly with elderly owners who have very modest means and would often be in the situation where paying a vets bill would mean no heating or food.I have to say the practice I work at (part time accounts -not clinical) s pretty ruthless when it comes to pursuing debts.
Things are not always so black and white.nearly nobody enjoys or is indifferent to a beloved pet's suffering.

ThePlatypusAlwaysTriumphs Fri 14-Dec-12 20:14:59

Lottikins- yes, we vets study hard, take an oath to puts animal's welfare first, then set out to rip people off to the best of abilities sad

In the case of elderly people without means to pay, but who are willing to pay it up, we will all be pretty lenient, especially of it's a pet they have had for years. But for people who see animals as disposable... that's kind of hard to stomach.

We have to pursue debts, because it costs a lot of money to keep a practice open- lighting, heating, staff, rent, equipment, and frankly there are lots of people who think it is their right to own an animal and have the enjoyment of owning that animal but then to have us fund the cost of treatment for that animal, for their pleasure.

I see so many that "can't afford" treatmnet for their "beloved" pet. But they have their nails all done, and they are wearing far better clothes than I can afford...

cozietoesie Fri 14-Dec-12 21:33:57

I've seen a number of sites that use the term 'guardian' used rather than 'owner'. I thought initially that it might be a bit precious - but with consideration, I think there's much to be said for it.

cozietoesie Fri 14-Dec-12 21:38:02

<excises that stray 'used'>

QuietTiger Sat 15-Dec-12 19:18:20

No Iamapushymum you didn't cause the pain and suffering and damage to your cats kidneys, but you did prolong it suffering and FAILED to get prompt veterinary attention to end the agony it was in. And it would have been agony. Bollocks to your "insulated from the harsh reality of death", you let a sentient being suffer, because actually, you didn't give a shit.

Quite frankly, given your behaviour with your cat who died, you don't deserve to have pets.

BeataNoxPotter Sat 15-Dec-12 19:25:23

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Lottikins Mon 17-Dec-12 10:33:30

Sorry I think I have misled you a bit about the practice where I am employed
.Vets obviously do have to pursue debtors (as do all other businesses ) and of course would try to make arrangements when people reallly can't pay.
I am speaking purely from my own experience but people over a certain age were taught at their mother's knee never ever to get into debt and are often too proud or too worried to admit they can't pay and (again in my opinion) this is why we often see pets from this type of owner too late.sad

BeataNoxPotter Mon 17-Dec-12 10:58:22

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MrsGrumps Mon 17-Dec-12 13:29:46

Surprised this thread has not been locked by now.

JustFabulous Mon 17-Dec-12 13:34:16

Why should it be locked?

Lottikins Mon 17-Dec-12 14:21:35

?

ratbagcatbag Wed 19-Dec-12 20:04:30

When I've had to take my cat to emergency vets ooh, they've never even questioned payment, they just treat her and I ring up the next available time and pay, I have also heard them with customers arranging payment plans, they are really good for it.
Poor cat sad please consider insurance so you can take then to the vets in future if they need it.

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