I think this might be FABCat's last thread

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JustFabulous Fri 03-Aug-12 13:11:48

This morning she was coughing and has also had a sloppy bowel accident outside. She wasn't interested in breakfast even though I didn't come down until after 9 and she wasn't about when DH left at 7. He normally feeds her before he goes. I had to put the plate under her nose to get her to come and ear.

Her back legs are a bit wobbly and I will take her for a jab on Monday to hopefully get some relief. She didn't wee over night so that is postiive but when I was comforting her when she was coughing it really hit me that she is very old and isn't my baby anymore sad.

She has lasted for DD's birthday but I am not sure she will make her own sad.

I have just put a towel on the sofa for her to sit on, just in case, but she wasn't impressed and has jumped down on to the floor.

My cat is getting to the end of her life and I am not sure I will ever get over it blush.

She means the world to me, is the only thing in the world that is 100% mine, and I will miss her so much.

SparkyTGD Fri 03-Aug-12 13:18:14

Sorry to hear that FAB, I was same with my lovely old cat a couple of years ago.

Its hard but am sure she's had a great life with you and as she gets more ill you will need to eventually decide to prevent any suffering and let her go as painlessly as you can sad

I've got another cat & she reminds me so much of my old cat, its like she's been re-incarnated, she was a great cat to live-up to smile

changeforthebetter Fri 03-Aug-12 13:20:36

So sorry sad

issey6cats Fri 03-Aug-12 13:23:08

so sorry big hugs to you and fabcat x

JustFabulous Fri 03-Aug-12 13:44:32

She has settled down next to me and is just dozing off. She is a bit smelly which is not like her at all.

TBH I don't know what I am looking for for when it is time but I know she will have to be PTS rather than take herself off to die.

MrsGrumps Fri 03-Aug-12 13:59:34

Sounds to me like if it is not now, it will only be a matter of days.

All I can offer is that if you were FABCat, would you rather go now peacefully and easily or continue like you are?


Fabcat sounds like my old darling who died @ 21 yrs of age. She was my first cat as an adult + the last link to my single days. I still miss her but now have 2 sisters who are much loved by the family.

You will know when the time is right, + it will be the time last,loving thing you do to let her go peacefully.

Big hugs to you + fabcat.

NaturalWinningNaturesTeamGB Fri 03-Aug-12 14:05:16

Hi, hand holding, it's a difficult place to be in. When I was deciding wether to treat the lump or not the vet nurses said to me "as long as her quality of life outweighs the illness".

One morning she ate a mouthful of food and didn't want to go out, that to me was her quality gone as she loved food and walks so I knew it was time.

sad You'll know. Sorry if that's no help.

oopsCENSOREDagain Fri 03-Aug-12 14:08:08

Oh I'm so sorry FAB, you have had such a long time with her and she's had so many problems but still fighting on.

She sounds like she's not in any discomfort, at least.

Make the most of the time you have left. sad

JustFabulous Fri 03-Aug-12 14:09:34

It is so hard for me as she has had illnesses for ages but has coped brilliantly and has been fine on medication.

I just don't believe she only has days sad. I am relieved the vet will see her on Monday so not too long before she has a check over.

She has eaten, has had a nap, had another nap, a little walk and is now sleeping.

I have never had to have a pet PTS before. My hamsters all died in their sleep and one broke his leg so there was no hope for him. It is so different with FABCat.

I feel sick

and rather stupid, she is just an animal afterall

JustFabulous Fri 03-Aug-12 14:11:39

Sounds daft but it seems that as long as she is eating the vet isn't worried about her, however it seems the only time she doesn't eat is if we have bought her a flavour she doesn't like. My human children still eat when ill too, so much so the GP missed a serious infection with DS1 because he was still having his milk.

oopsCENSOREDagain Fri 03-Aug-12 14:13:50

She's not just an animal. She's a part of your life, a huge part.

JustFabulous Fri 03-Aug-12 14:23:34

No one else has been in my life as long as her, except for one school friend. She is sleeping now and looks so cute.

DiscoDaisy Fri 03-Aug-12 14:32:40

We came home one day and found our cat dead on the road. He had been run over!
Two years later I'm still finding my eyes well with tears as I type this.
We adopted him the week after we moved in together over 16 years ago when he was 5 mths old. He was 14 when he died!
He lived with us through the birth of 5 children and a m/c, 2 house moves and numerous other milestones in all of our lives!
7 weeks ago we finally felt ready to adopt another cat!

They're not just animals, they're part of the family! sad

JustFabulous Fri 03-Aug-12 14:40:34

Oh, that is so sad and I am terrified that the same will happen wit FABCat as one neighbour drives like a twat.

She has lived with me in 5 different houses and a flat, has a really lovely life and has put up with me crying tears all on her fur when I have been upset. I will do anything for her and I will not let her suffer.

TBH I don't think it is time yet but it is slowly sinking in that it will be at some point.

BlueBirdsNest Fri 03-Aug-12 15:27:01

would it not be more natural just to let her fade away in her own time rahrer than getting her PTS?

She sounds like your best friend....I'm sad for you and fabcat

JustFabulous Fri 03-Aug-12 15:30:04

If she went in her sleep then that would be best for her as she wouldn't know, would she? But I am terrified of finding her dead. I couldn't cope with seeing my hamster dead, it scared me blush.

I don't know that she would just go in her sleep, she has cancer as well as some other illnesses.

OhYouGreatGreatBritain Fri 03-Aug-12 15:35:59

Which ever you choose fab you will be doing it with the best intention. I don't thing there is a wrong or a right answer to when and whether to PTS all I know is that as pet owners we have a duty to do our best by them so they don't suffer unnecessarily. Only you can make that call.
Thinking of you, it's the hardest decision that a pet owner has to make and you are clearly making it out of love for fabcat.

BlueBirdsNest Fri 03-Aug-12 15:36:40

don't be scared about finding her dead , everyone's life ends at some point and you will there and she will know it and thank you for it

JustFabulous Fri 03-Aug-12 15:47:47

I haven't seen or heard her play with her toy today so I will be keeping an eye on that.

I think she needs to still eat, drink and play to be having quality of life.

Fluffycloudland77 Fri 03-Aug-12 15:48:06

I'm so sorry, it's obvious how much you love her.

We only pts our cats when they are in pain. Until then we let them carry on but we knew everytime when it was the right time.

You just cant imagine life without them.

Mrsjay Fri 03-Aug-12 15:50:53

sorry to hear that fab I am sure your cat had an amazing life with you , it is just heartbreaking when you have to make the decisions,I was grateful to the lovely mumsnetters who helped me a few months ago when i had to have jaycat put to sleep, it is sad but you are doing the kindest thing. jaycat had a cough and was just licking her food at the end we had to she was suffering,

JustFabulous Fri 03-Aug-12 15:52:23

The vet keeps telling me I will know.

Mrsjay Fri 03-Aug-12 15:52:32

fab honestly you will know when it is time to take her,

changeforthebetter Fri 03-Aug-12 15:57:02

Sorry, I hadn't realised you were the kind poster who commented on my thread.

Good luck with your decision. I knew last night - you will know what to do.

Massive (unMN) hug sad

Mrsjay Fri 03-Aug-12 15:58:25

mumsnetters were telling me when i had my thread I would know and i was a bit hmm about it but you will ,

JustFabulous Fri 03-Aug-12 15:59:18

To me it feels like I have had her five minutes but also forever. There are times when she looks at me and I ask her if she has had enough but she doesn't answer. She harumps when DH asks her who the best daddy is --but it is because she wants him to feed her==

I just love her so much.

JustFabulous Fri 03-Aug-12 15:59:44

I don't know yet. So keep hoping?

If you don't know yet then it isn't time.
It's so hard because we do love them so much. I remember breaking our hearts over our first cat. I'd never seen my parents cry before.
Maybe you can ask the vet on Monday if they will come to the house when it is time for her? I think some charge more for that but some don't. Worth asking.
Also - depends on how forthright you're feeling but I might be tempted to go round the neighbours including Mr Twat and say 'my beloved cat is nearing the end of her life. Please be BLOODY CAREFUL when driving near my home as she is vulnerable'. Then fix them with the type of look that makes them think you'll do something drastic unless they drive like very old ladies!

BlueBirdsNest Fri 03-Aug-12 16:44:04

it will come to end , that's just the way of thingsand sadly it sounds close

Maybe you could spend a few days fussing over her and instead of feeling sad tell he how wonderful she is and how much happiness she has brought you

JustFabulous Fri 03-Aug-12 16:49:17

NL - I don't speak to MrTwat and was too scared to say something when he put DD at risk but he has recently shacked up with some girl much much younger than him so I hope she takes him for everything and then fucks off as he deserves it.

Other posters said they felt it was nearly time for FABCat and that was months ago so I think I will just keep spoiling looking after her.

She has just had tea, popped outside and is now settling down for another nap.

I talk to her all the time but haven't thought to tell her what she means to me other than to say I love her. I will do that when she wakes up properly.

thestringcheesemassacre Fri 03-Aug-12 17:45:26

Don't focus on the end of her life, think about how much you love her and what a wonderful pet she has been.

I'm sorry to be harsh, but you do get over it. You have to. It's a good while of grief and then suddenly one day you will find yourself smiling about something funny she would of done or how she behave.

SparkyTGD Fri 03-Aug-12 17:56:18

Agree with others who have posted, you will know when its time.

I've perhaps posted this to you before but when my lovely old cat was deteriorating, I kept expecting it to be her last day every day for days on end, she was like your cat & had been with me through thick & thin.

One day I realsied that I needed to stop doing that & just let her carry on until she got too poorly, so as long as she could eat (even if little), wee, poo, walk & appear to be content I would try to forget that I would probably have to pts one day sad

Just try to enjoy the time you have with her at the moment.

JustFabulous Fri 03-Aug-12 18:26:41

You are right, I do need to stop thinking every day is her last. It is hard though when she goes and does something new that reminds me how ill and old she is.

She has accepted the towel on the sofa now and is sleeping next to me now.

Cailleach Fri 03-Aug-12 21:23:31

I agree with other posters that you will know when it's time... for my last cat, crunch time came when he no longer wanted to go out, had lost his appetite completely and was clearly in some discomfort.

Sorry you are facing this, but you won't regret taking the merciful route out when the time comes.


JustFabulous Fri 03-Aug-12 21:27:12

She has my emotions all over the place.

She didn't seem to be able to get a flying bug off her face but when it took dh 3 attempts to get rid for good she went for him grin.

Sunnywithachanceofshowers Fri 03-Aug-12 22:14:34

Oh Fab I'm so sad for you and your lovely girl.

This charity offers online counselling for people whose cats are very ill. They helped me when my lovely boy Jas had cancer and I kept imagining the worst. I was able to enjoy our time together, which was great gift.

Big hugs to you and gentle hugs to kitty xxx

changeforthebetter Sat 04-Aug-12 07:33:48

Thanks for that site Sunny - the activity book is good for the DCs.

How are you doing Fab? How is your moggy? She sounds happy now and you know her best. I've been through this twice now and it is so painful but they are worth it for the companionship and unconditional love (OK, so the Whiskas may have something to do with it wink). I grew up with cats and I think the DCs learn compassion from them too.

His sister is curled up next to me now. We have had a couple of feline visitors to the garden. It's like they know that the number of cats has gone down sad I think my little lad was actually quite good at defending his territory and I never realised it.

JustFabulous Sat 04-Aug-12 16:18:07

I am beyond exhausted today, dh yelled at me this morning, DS1 just was rude to me and bit my head off and FABCat played dead on the drive when we got back home after 3 hours out.

I am so scared she has had enough.

Still can bite though when touched when she doesn't want it.

JustFabulous Sat 04-Aug-12 16:18:55

Thanks Sunny. I will look at that site later. I can't face it atm.

Sunnywithachanceofshowers Sat 04-Aug-12 18:44:13

Huge hugs Fab. xx

changeforthebetter Sat 04-Aug-12 18:51:45


JustFabulous Sat 04-Aug-12 19:45:05

I want her to sit on my lap and let me cuddle and stroke her but she has never been a lap cat and doesn't like being stroked more than a few times. I just need a cuddle tbh though liable to cry if I got one.

Should I ever talk about getting another cat, talk me out of it. I love FABCat and want her to live, happily, forever but I can't go through this again.

JustFabulous Sat 04-Aug-12 21:42:07

She's just had a piece if my cheese grin.

changeforthebetter Sun 05-Aug-12 08:41:35

I have a cheese loving moggie too smile He loves the fact the kids are messy with it. Lots of left overs for him grin

I know what you mean about going through it! Trouble is there are a lot of rescue cats out there ..................... Anyway, I am hoping the remaining Changecats are going to stick around for a while!!

JustFabulous Sun 05-Aug-12 14:15:22

She has been on her own all morning as dc1 is out with dad, dc2 was out with me and dc3 was at nanny and grandad's. I am 100% convinced she has not moved from the sofa and has slept all morning grin.

JustFabulous Sun 05-Aug-12 20:30:45

Vet tomorrow though I am unsure whether to take her.

She hasn't wet on the floor the last 2 nights. The vet said to take her back if she carried on weeing and/or was having trouble with her legs.

Sunnywithachanceofshowers Sun 05-Aug-12 21:20:34

Big hugs Fab. Hope she has a good evening xxx

changeforthebetter Sun 05-Aug-12 22:23:54

I hope FABcat has a peaceful evening.

You will know what to do. brew

PuddinAforeDinner Mon 06-Aug-12 09:18:20

I hope you don't mind me posting but I have been reading your threads about FAB cat.

She sounds like an amazing cat who is loved very much. She is a treasured family member and has been with you through many ups and downs so its no wonder your feeling like this.

I know what it's like to have to make this decision, we had to to this 2 years ago (boxing day actually). You will know when the time has come, she will tell you.

Make every day you have left with her count. Don't be sad now, enjoy the time you have.

JustFabulous Mon 06-Aug-12 10:14:34

Just got back from the vet.

She really really didn't want to go in her carry case and once she was in, tried to get straight back out. She is normally a complete angel at the vets and goes back in her box no problem, but she wasn't in the mood to be touched and really didn't want to go back in. We have been home a few minutes and she has had some more breakfast and is now lying on the carpet.

She weed overnight again.

Next week she is getting another injection and then she can one after that then...

The vet has booked me a double appointment for next week so he obviously wants a longer talk with me.

Ironically, even though she now has cancer, it is her legs that are causing the most problem.

changeforthebetter Mon 06-Aug-12 10:25:26


Have you had a look at the Ease pages? There is some good stuff on there.


We were at the vets this morning too for boosters. It was a cat-morning. I hate going there when the place is full of dogs grin My savvy little female cat ran off before I could get her in her box. I also found out the PTS was £50 more than I was expecting - obviously wasn't thinking straight last week. And the kids played up when the vet was trying to talk to me about screening tests for older cats. <weary>

JustFabulous Mon 06-Aug-12 11:54:07

Is that the link that Sunny gave me?

This morning was dgo day at the vets. All lovely dogs but I was being over protective and trying to keep her case so no one could see her or get near. There were a couple of cats too. Last week it was cat day.

She is sleeping next to me now.

I need to try and cut down her food if possible as getting some weight off her will help with her legs.

changeforthebetter Mon 06-Aug-12 15:35:43

Here you go. The practical side of things is really worth reading and useful stuff for helping kids.

Mine are behaving really badly at the moment but that may be because I am a bit less tolerant of brattish behaviour.

ChangeMasterCat has arthritis and will have to go on feline painkillers probably sad. However, he is a good weight.

I am spoiling the cats far too much <hunts out purple cardi and old lady shoes grin>

JustFabulous Mon 06-Aug-12 16:33:09

Thank you for the link. They are unable to take on new people at the moment but I can get help from on the website. My children have been through the loss of a couple of hamsters but that was a while ago and they are going to be more devastated about the cat. She has been there all their lives. A couple of years ago they lost a great grandparent but it isn't comparable at all. I have prepared them that she is ill and we don't know how long we have her for but I am not sure what else to do.

FABCat just had biscuits for tea instead of her chunks. I don't think she was too cross. If we can get a bit of weight off it will help.

Just been and picked up SmallestFabBoy and he was so grin that FABCat is still with us.

DC1 and 2 are in their rooms until tea is ready because they were mean to DC3 and rude to me.

DH went into a meeting at 10. He is still in it so goodness knows when he will get home tonight.

JustFabulous Mon 06-Aug-12 20:39:54

Just remembered that the vet said something about putting her on morphine something. Sounds scary to me.

peggyblackett Tue 07-Aug-12 12:41:08

How is she (and you) doing today Fab? ((()))

JustFabulous Tue 07-Aug-12 13:20:27

I saw FABCat very early thanks to the boys getting up before the birds hmm. Happy to see she was okay though and she hadn't weed on the floor, yay! Has eaten breakfast and then we have all been out for about 3 hours. When we got back FABCat was out on the pavement shock, it scares the life out of me when she goes that far. (Ridiculous really as we have a drive and then she steps over the line and on to the public path so it isn't miles).

She has asking for some of the kids chicken but is now sleeping next to me.

DS1 is being vile and keeps talking about when she is dead so I am a bit angry at the moment with him.

JustFabulous Tue 07-Aug-12 20:51:01

I couldn't find FABCat. Panicked. Naughty girl was guarding the babies on the landing shock. She hasn't done that for ages and ages.

changeforthebetter Tue 07-Aug-12 23:47:20

Will be away for a bit. Sending you and FabCat lots of good thoughts.

cozietoesie Wed 08-Aug-12 07:40:29

I suspect it's probably DS1's way of starting to cope and not meant badly. sad

Thinking of you and of all those in similar situations.

JustFabulous Wed 08-Aug-12 12:36:40

I asked him today and he said it is because FABCat will have peace from DD and DS2. They do sometimes crowd her but not enough to think death would be preferable.

She asked to go out the front this morning but I said she had to go out into the back garden if she wanted to play out. So she did grin.

cozietoesie Wed 08-Aug-12 12:53:28

Youngsters aren't always good at handling the (prospective) death of an animal they've known and loved for a long time. Especially if they're not used to it. They don't know how to articulate their feelings. Be tolerant.

And FABcat doesn't sound that bad to me (at least today) if she's still able to gameplay with you! wink

JustFabulous Wed 08-Aug-12 13:26:10

She plays me like a fiddle grin.

JustFabulous Fri 10-Aug-12 19:37:42

She is currently making a vibrating noise while she sleeps confused.

JustFabulous Sun 12-Aug-12 19:51:48

Bloody hell

FABCat just did a massive breath and then stopped. I practically threw my laptop down to get to her and then she moved.

<heart going way too fast>

cozietoesie Sun 12-Aug-12 20:01:05

Sounds as if the time is near, JustFabulous. Be brave.

JustFabulous Sun 12-Aug-12 20:08:49

She bit my earlier.

I have little chats to her and I think she knows I am her mummy blush.

Vet tomorrow for another jab, neighbour might be sitting with the kids for me. Vet booked double appointment <eek>. I think he wants to talk.. <sigh>

It would never be good timing to lose her but tbh the kids are being PITA at the moment and I woud be even less good if I had to grief too.

JustFabulous Sun 12-Aug-12 20:09:27

me, not my.

Wolfiefan Sun 12-Aug-12 20:16:20

We were in a similar situation last October. It's awful to face this loss. FWIW the kids will probably grieve with you and be lovely.
Still miss my gorgeous boy but thankful for all the memories.

cozietoesie Sun 12-Aug-12 20:54:59


As I said - be brave. Losing a dear friend is hard but don't make her go longer than her time.

Thinking of you.

JustFabulous Sun 12-Aug-12 21:01:47

No, I wouldn't let her suffer.

DH said last night he thinks we have spent £36,000 on her grin.

cozietoesie Sun 12-Aug-12 21:07:08

That's a man for you. Trying to rationalize. He'll likely cry his eyes out in private.

JustFabulous Sun 12-Aug-12 21:11:05

Oh he wasn't moaning. He has paid all her costs for the last 12 years as I haven't worked for that long. He will miss her and will be upset for me but probably won't cry. He isn't a crier. A hanful of times maybe in the 16 years we have been together.

LegoAcupuncture Sun 12-Aug-12 21:18:10

oh Fab sad

She sounds like a right minx, giving you all these frights and then giving you a bite. She really is a FabCat.

JustFabulous Sun 12-Aug-12 21:24:59

LOL at really being FabCat.

she is laid on the floor looking really cute

just made dh take ohotos of her, just in case.

JustFabulous Mon 13-Aug-12 07:37:07

FFS why will DS2 not leave her alone? She bit him. No sympathy for him. She would have warned him. He said he was only stroking her.

I was looking forward to telling the vet how well she has been doing - she has been upstairs twice this past week - but this morning she appears to have peed on the towel left in an upturned basket. <sigh>

She ate breakfast though grin.

cozietoesie Mon 13-Aug-12 09:03:13

I only know that when a pet is going, people desperately want things to go back to normal. It's part of coping and withdrawal - and they sometimes behave in ways which aren't really appropriate for a very sick animal. I guess I'm not explaining myself very well but I've seen me and the family do it in the past. Whistling in the dark, sort of.

I hope the vet this afternoon isn't too bad.

JustFabulous Mon 13-Aug-12 11:22:26

There is no way at all I will let FABCat suffer just because I don't want to lose her. If she lives another 10 years it will still be too soon when she dies so I am putting her 100% first. If I wasn't I wouldn't be ringing the vet whenever there is a new symptom or something I am worried about with her. I always tell the vet all that has gone on, even though I know it could mean it is time. I have also told the vet to tell me when it is in time if I haven't realised. I have told him I will do anything for her but I will not let her suffer.

cozietoesie Mon 13-Aug-12 11:27:25

Of course you won't. It's still hard to bear. sad

JustFabulous Mon 13-Aug-12 18:39:49

Back from vet, with FABCat grin.

Vet quite happy to give her another jab and then another in a month. She appears to be sticking around for her 18th grin.

She has put on 0.3kg in a week which is not good so I have to cut her food down even more <eek>.

Her cancer is the same size, if not a little smaller, so that is positive.

She has kidney disease, not in failure.

cozietoesie Mon 13-Aug-12 18:46:35

Well done, her! (And you all.)


Sunnywithachanceofshowers Mon 13-Aug-12 18:48:47

That's great news Fab grin

JustFabulous Mon 13-Aug-12 19:12:05

I am so happy!!

LegoAcupuncture Mon 13-Aug-12 23:24:09


Wolfiefan Mon 13-Aug-12 23:49:43

Good for you both. (Wonder if she has what my boy had last year?)

Suspected lymphoma. Low dose chemo (tablet) and steroid HUGELY reduced size of mass and gave us a lot of extra time.

Hang on in there FABCAT!

FWiW. You sound like a wonderful owner who only wants the best for your pet. Lucky FABCAT!

JustFabulous Tue 14-Aug-12 10:00:24

Thank you smile.

SHe growled twice at the vet when he was examining her. It sounds so wrong coming from a cat!

cozietoesie Tue 14-Aug-12 10:09:41

My cat before this one used to growl at the postie. You're right - it did sound wrong! (He truly hated him though.)

3littlewomen Tue 14-Aug-12 10:33:42

Ah JustFab, my heart goes out to you. Our gorgeous red headed monster of a cat used to bark at the vet!

I agree you will know, it will be hard, but you will be able to do what needs doing as you love Fabcat.

Our redhead passed away a few months ago. He was a humongous gent of a cat, who was quite simply adored by all around. He had cancer, we had him treated by the vet and regularly asked her if it was time sad. She always said we would know.

He plodded along, eating having cuddles and most importantly he had a good quality of life with no pain.

The pain started suddenly one morning and the vet was called out. He passed away quietly before the vet arrived, in our hallway at the top of the stairs on his own terms. He lived with 4 other cats and 2 dogs. The 4 cats sat respectfully on the stairs with him as he passed away. That is the only way I can describe it - in fact it was very moving and touching the way the other cats would not leave his side.

Our DD2 still often cries for him as he was her best friend. We miss him, but we get great comfort in the fact we did the right thing.

JustFabulous Tue 14-Aug-12 11:10:17

<blubs at the other cats show of respect>

I am sorry for your loss sad.

FABCat hs just gone to finish her breakfast. We have to give her half a sachet now for breakfast as she is putting too much weight on!

3littlewomen Tue 14-Aug-12 14:17:26

Thanks fab, we cried lots, the 4DC were very very upset. They all cuddled him and spoke to him after he passed away. Our lovely old boxer dog (who has always had a bit of a thing for red cats, often allowing him to stretch out in the sacred space between her and the lit stove) gentley nudged and sniffed him. He was buried in the garden (think semi-state funeral) and his grave is adorned with flowers,teddies and precious things from the DC. If I get half the send off I will be happy.

What the DC do not know (and after spending many, many hours consoling DD2 who used to talk to him if upset and sleep with him) is that the bid red cat (who they have decided now spends his time in heaven on their grannies lap telling her all about them) may be sending a surprise in the form of a young red kitten who is his relative..... We will see.

Always remember how lucky Fabcat is to have you in his life!

JustFabulous Tue 14-Aug-12 15:35:45

Awwwwwwww at a new kitten coming grin.

I think we are going to get FABCat cremated and bring home her ashes. This is not our forever house so I can't bury her in the garden and then have to leave her. The kids want to stuff her though hmm.

cozietoesie Tue 14-Aug-12 15:51:22

Awww - a young relative coming to visit for a while. What a neat notion!smile




JustFabulous Tue 14-Aug-12 16:37:07

I know. I am not impressed. I know it is because they want to keep her forever but when the other day they started saying could they keep bits of her "I want the head" said DD I am not listening to such nonsense.

cozietoesie Tue 14-Aug-12 16:40:49

Grief. How old are they?

My last two boys were buried in my old house but one of the first things I made sure was packed on moving was soil from their gravesite. So they'll be with me in the new one.

JustFabulous Tue 14-Aug-12 16:54:09

It is the older 2 talking like that and they are 9 and 11.

I know they love her and it is just their way but I have told them to pack it in.

DS1 has been writing a song for when she dies confused.

She has ripped up a load of paper today grin.

Littlebluetoo Tue 14-Aug-12 18:31:37

I've had to book my 16yo beautiful ginger boy in to be PTS tomorrow morning. He has seen me through 4 houses, 1 divorce, 1 birth of DD and death of my Dad. Many tears have been shed into his fur and this feels like paying back a debt of care to him. He has arthitis, kidney failure, hyperthyrodism but the clincher has been the throat cancer which mean he now can't eat without gagging. He can still purr though!
I'm having him cremated too. Couldn't bear not to have him back! I know I'll be a complete wreck but plan on spending his final night snuggled up on the sofa with him.
Fabcat sounds very, very much loved and as if there is still some time for you to spend with her. You will know when the time is right. (((((hugs)))))

JustFabulous Tue 14-Aug-12 18:34:55

Oh, Littlebluetoo, I am so sorry sad.

LBTCat sounds very loved and I am sure he knows how much you love him.

Sunnywithachanceofshowers Tue 14-Aug-12 19:08:54

I'm so sorry Littleblue. sad Massive hugs.

cozietoesie Tue 14-Aug-12 19:12:01

So sorry Littlebluetoo.


3littlewomen Tue 14-Aug-12 19:26:32

Littlebluetoo I am so so sorry, the big reds are total softies sad

I will think of you tomorrow as you do what is best for your boy. You are doing the right thing, the most loving thing but also one of the hardest....

FAB, our guys (aged 15 to 5) also developed a rather warped sense of humour around the death of ginger man.... It was a way of talking about it whilst protecting to some extent their feelings. They cried so much, but I am so glad they each spent time with him afterwards. A very sad but necessary lesson in life. My youngest has often asked if she can dig him up to see what he looks like now! Eer, NO. A future archeologist perhaps!

We always plant a tree over each animal we bury, and the children get to pick the tree they think mirrors the animal In some way - his tree will turn a lovely shade of red in autumn, always reminding us of his glorious shaggy tabby messy coat.

JustFabulous Tue 14-Aug-12 20:16:05

I love FABCat a bit too much so it upsets me when the kids say things I have mentioned.

FABCat just moaned in her sleep. She is so pretty.

JustFabulous Wed 15-Aug-12 07:53:07

I hope it goes okay today, LBT. I am sure you must be heart broken.

cozietoesie Wed 15-Aug-12 08:22:44

Thinking of you this morning LBT.

peggyblackett Wed 15-Aug-12 09:43:55

Thinking of you LBT.

Glad to hear that Fabcat is rallying at the moment Fab.

Littlebluetoo Wed 15-Aug-12 15:04:51

Well it's done...
Horrible, horrible, horrible but the right thing to do. The ginger and I snuggled on the sofa yesterday evening and he was on my pillow all night. He was purring right up to the end even as the vet gave him the injection. I'm afraid I wimped out and asked if a nurse could help as I knew I couldn't hold him on my own - just wanted to run away really! My 11yo DD was fantastic! I had said she could come if she wanted as I have always impressed on her that this is part of looking after animals. She wouldn't leave until he was gone, sobbing as she buried her nose in his fur while she cradled his head. He was the cat that taught her as a little child how to respect and treat animals and I guess he is the cat that teaches her how to say goodbye.
The vet was so kind and gentle with him and talked to the ginger all the way through, for that I am eternally grateful. He gave us as much time as we wanted to say goodbye and let us out the back of the vets so we didn't have to walk past all those waiting. He is such a lovely man and doesn't make you feel like a nutter when you are sobbing over a scrap of fur!
FAB it occurred to me last night that I had hijacked your thread. I'm sorry. I can't say any of these things to people in RL without getting the "its just a cat" look from them. Well they aren't just cats are they... Some of them give us more love than we find in the human world and so we feel their loss more sharply.
I'll keep my fingers crossed that FABcat continues to do so well! Thanks for your thoughts guys.

cozietoesie Wed 15-Aug-12 15:59:21

So very sorry, LBT. It's hard.

Hope FABcat is doing well today, Fab.

JustFabulous Wed 15-Aug-12 16:15:06


LBT, you haven't hijacked the thread. This is for anyone who wants.

I am so glad it went as well as any of us could hope for and that the vet was kind. I am not taking the children with me when it happens for FABCat but wondered now if I should. I just can't though.

FABCat is coping with her reduction in food. She now has half a sachet at breakfast and the other at tea and a tiny amount of renal biscuits for supper. She was having a sachet at each meal and a small handful of biccies but she has put 0.3kilos on in a week which isn't helping her poor legs.

Littlebluetoo Wed 15-Aug-12 17:44:32

I think it is completly dependent on what the children are like, how they might react and how you feel as to the decision for them to attend this sort of thing. My DD is a very keen animal owner has been responsible for some of the less appealing aspects ( cat litter!) so when she asked to come I felt I had to respect her choice. I know some adults I wouldn't want with me as well so I think you just have to go with your own judgement.

JustFabulous Wed 15-Aug-12 17:50:20

I don't want them with me for my own selflish reasons. I got her in October 1994 which was before I met DH and had the children so need to grieve for me, alone, as she is more mine that theirs and I don't want to have to deal with them at that moment as well. It will be booked for when DH is here to spend some time with us all before I take her and to help them while I am away at the vet.

FABCat just asked for some ice cream shock. It was home made strawberry ice cream (strawberries, icing sugar and double cream only) and I offered a tiny bit not expecting her to eat it but she did!!

Littlebluetoo Wed 15-Aug-12 18:18:51

Mmmmmmmm! Icecream!

changeforthebetter Thu 16-Aug-12 16:29:59

Hi Fab hope she enjoyed the icecream!!

So sorry for your loss LBT sad un-MN (())

JustFabulous Thu 16-Aug-12 18:43:06

FABCat is now sleeping after playing loads today with a piece of elastic grin.

How are you feeling today LBT?

cozietoesie Thu 16-Aug-12 18:47:41

Well she's doing really well, JustFabulous!

JustFabulous Thu 16-Aug-12 20:06:50

She is! grin

Littlebluetoo Fri 17-Aug-12 09:54:53

Ahhhh. Lovely to hear FABcat having fun! Feeling sad but OK. It is so hard to believe he isn't somewhere in the house! I still have the feeling that I'll go into a room and be greeted with a chirup (sp?).
Giving my daughters cat lots of attention now, if only to have something furry to cuddle! I have made it very clear to Blue that he is mearly a stand-in and is still a lowly apprentice to the Ginger so not to go getting any ideas about being the main man in the house. Not sure he agreed with me...

changeforthebetter Fri 17-Aug-12 10:24:56

(()) LBT <looks around nervously for MN police who disapprove of (()) wink)

Glad to hear FABCat is enjoying herself.

We collected ChangeCat2's ashes today sad. I thought we could scatter them but the box seems to be sealed.

JustFabulous Fri 17-Aug-12 14:46:13

Blue wants to be top red! grin

So sorry you had to do that, CFTB. Maybe you could open the box if you want to scatter them.

changeforthebetter Fri 17-Aug-12 15:28:45

I have a horror of messing it up and ending up with the poor lad's remains all over the new flooring <klutzy>

JustFabulous Fri 17-Aug-12 15:47:05

Put some newspaper on the floor as it is easy to fold that into itself and funnel the ashes back into the box if needs be.

Littlebluetoo Fri 17-Aug-12 16:27:00

Ashes can be tricky but I'm so glad you can have animals cremated now. So much easier than having to bury them yourself if you don't have a huge garden you can dedicate to be "pets corner".

JustFabulous Tue 21-Aug-12 20:55:50

FABCat had her jab yesterday and is doing really well. She has lost 200g. Went for the vet twice. Glared at a dog that wanted to play with her.


crazynanna Tue 21-Aug-12 20:57:53

grin @ glared at a dog grin

grin Yay for her!

cozietoesie Tue 21-Aug-12 22:15:10

Well done her!


Littlebluetoo Wed 22-Aug-12 00:50:03

Way to go FABcat!

JustFabulous Wed 22-Aug-12 09:23:48

9 days until her birthday!!!!!

cozietoesie Wed 22-Aug-12 09:42:28

Great to hear that she's rallying.smile

(What meal do you have planned for her, for her birthday?)

JustFabulous Wed 22-Aug-12 09:58:08

Desperate for balloons but she is scared of them. Still might get helium ones that are up out of her way

Lately she has enjoyed tuna, tinned custart and home made strawberry ice cream grin.

changeforthebetter Wed 22-Aug-12 09:58:39

Atta girl FABcat!! grin

OLimpPickMeddles Wed 22-Aug-12 10:01:40

Glad FABcat is still a cat with attitude - and that she's enjoying a varied diet!

ipswichwitch Wed 22-Aug-12 10:16:56

or should that be "cattitude" OLimpPickMeddles?

glad FABcat is getting spoiled and enjoying her treats - our little witchcat was treated like a prince towards the end - lots of cheese, tuna and memorably a king prawn once! we lost him 4 years ago to renal failure and i miss him. he truly was an awesome, if somewhat dim but hugely lovable cat. i had harsh words with anyone who tried to tell me "its only a cat"
we still have big witchcat, still going strong at 12 - we joke that shes far too lazy to die, but we'll be devastated when she does go.

JustFabulous Wed 22-Aug-12 10:22:42

We joke that FABCat heard DH say he would like a dog and she is going to live forever so he can't have one grin.

OopsCat is rallying now he's on thyroid meds, he has gained weight and looks more like his old self. We are spoiling him shamelessly and he is having a bit of our dinner every night - he likes gravy, and bolognese, but wasn't keen on curry! grin

OLimpPickMeddles Wed 22-Aug-12 16:18:04

wine to cattitude!

JustFabulous Wed 22-Aug-12 17:01:27

Hurray for OopsCat.

FABCat would like to invite OopsCat and all the lovely cats mentioned on here to her 18th a week on Friday well she would if she knew I was planning a party for her grin

We will stick our tongues out at the posters who said weeks ago it sounded like she was at the end and all of us will raise a glass to this wonderful cat who has been my most lovely lovely amazing fluffy naughty friend for almost 18 years.

Woohoo for virtual kittyparty!

Littlebluetoo Thu 23-Aug-12 20:19:31

A cat party!! My DD always insists on baking a cake for our cat's B-days, with candles of course, and then has a photo taken with the usually sightly alarmed looking feline and cake! Cats and candles, not a good mix...
I used to have a cat that liked onion rings...

JustFabulous Thu 23-Aug-12 20:25:26

I am beyond excited with what I am doing for FABCat.

I was always going to make a cake for the kids to eat while FABCat had prawns but I am getting a photo cake done with her on it and I am not telling the kids. It is going to be amazing!!

JustFabulous Fri 24-Aug-12 19:47:27

DH brought fish and chips for our tea. FABCat thought she was included in that. She sat right next to me, really close, then shuffled in a bit more AND PUT HER PAW ON MY LAP TRAY shock. Obviously I gave her some fish but she just wanted more and more and more and more. DH took my plate away when I had had enough and has put a cover over it. FABCat sat on the floor looking longingly up at the counter.

I thought she was ill!!!!

I might cancel her party grin.

JustFabulous Sat 25-Aug-12 08:12:14


Why is it all such a roller coaster?

cozietoesie Sat 25-Aug-12 08:50:23

Not good this morning?


JustFabulous Sat 25-Aug-12 11:37:37

She left us a puddle all over the floor. Can't remember the last time she did it but she had her last job Monday just gone and can't have another until 3 weeks on Tuesday.

She just tried to jump up onto the sofa and slipped back sad. She looked scared sadsad. She let me lift her up and is now curled up, washing her tail.

JustFabulous Sat 25-Aug-12 11:39:05

On a happier note, she did play for a bit this morning smile.

cozietoesie Sat 25-Aug-12 11:58:08

Oh Dear. Is it steroids the vet's been giving her as a booster?

JustFabulous Sat 25-Aug-12 12:13:10

She has been having cartrofan. I don't know if that is a steroid though. I think it is an anti inflammotary and to help her legs but also the weeing innapropriately. It worries me that she hasn't weed since jab 2/3 but has now.

cozietoesie Sat 25-Aug-12 12:36:43

I've never used it on any of mine but yes - it seems to be for osteoarthritis etc and also helps for cystitis.

She'll be enjoying all the love and cuddles as usual though.smile

JustFabulous Sat 25-Aug-12 12:48:43

6 days until she is 18!!! shock

JustFabulous Sat 25-Aug-12 17:08:57

FABCat is in trouble. She got under my feet and I stood on her tail. She miaowed, I screeched (sprained foot, worried I had hurt her). DH put her away in her room. Me, being too soft Mummy let her out and DS1 has just caught her on the table hunting for any spilt fish from the kids tea. She wants to hang around the 11 year old's place. He makes more mess than anyone I know.

cozietoesie Sat 25-Aug-12 17:15:20

That's called taking the mickey!

Mine has clocked the fact that I really really want him to eat breakfast and tea take his meds and - while deigning to eat his food - has managed to up the ante from Whiskas pouches to Gourmet and Sheba pouches. I catch him looking at me very knowingly sometimes.


JustFabulous Sat 25-Aug-12 17:25:20

Yep. FABCat is on the gourmet range too now.

changeforthebetter Sun 26-Aug-12 12:23:50

I am spending lots more on catfood for the Changecats, both of whom are playing mercilessly on anxiety that neither get ill <cunning, manipulative moggy emoticon grin>

JustFabulous Sun 26-Aug-12 12:33:04

FABCat had trouble jumping on to the sofa again last night. She dug a claw in to stop herself falling backwards. Into my toe.

edam Sun 26-Aug-12 12:36:06

Glad to hear FABcat is still hanging on in there but owwwww lots of sympathies regarding your toe!

My little moggie is highly pissed off this morning as ds has just got a mid-sleeper bed and moggie hasn't worked out how to get up there yet. It's the cat equivalent of a practical IQ test. grin

cozietoesie Sun 26-Aug-12 12:45:12

Sorry, edam - it's actually an example of highly developed training of owners. She's waiting until DS or you have learned to put her up there without her having to exert any effort !


JustFabulous Sun 26-Aug-12 13:09:11

SO true, cozietoesie!

Cats are genuises. They never do anything if they can get their minion to do it for them.

edam Sun 26-Aug-12 17:32:04

cozie, yeah, I know, cats train humans to obey their every whim... grin But our cat is pissed off at not being able to get up there when HE chooses or get down when HE chooses (three storey house so he can't rely on me hearing his protests).

JustFabulous Mon 27-Aug-12 16:55:35

I am overwhelmed with the love FABCat has shown me today.

I have been confined to bed and guess how many times she has come upstairs to see if I am okay?

edam Mon 27-Aug-12 17:05:02

None? grin

Either that or lots.

edam Mon 27-Aug-12 17:05:19

(Hope you feel lots better v v soon btw)

JustFabulous Mon 27-Aug-12 17:27:18

None. Not a single one.

I will let her off though as she isn't well.

I am hoping to sneak down later and have a cuddle with her.

4 days until her birthday <squeeeeeeeeeeeeeee>

changeforthebetter Mon 27-Aug-12 22:41:57

Aww - my girlcat loves it when I'm ill hmm (full day of cuddles and snoozing)

FabCat go and see to your mistress!! <stern face>

JustFabulous Tue 28-Aug-12 11:31:05

Just back from vet £38 poorer after picking up 2 boxes of tablets for her.

She has been licking the carpet quite a bit. Does anyone have an idea why?

She has jumped up next to me on the sofa just now so that is nice. I could do with having her sat on my knee to stroke for hours as DD and DS2 have been very trying this morning. I managed to sprain my foot again to when I needed to get hold of DD so I am feeling pretty fed up.

DD and DS2 go back to school tomorrow and I am going to miss them so wanted a day full of treats and fun but now I am sad and not feeling like I want too.

JustFabulous Tue 28-Aug-12 13:32:03

Just had to fish FABCat off the table where DS1 was baking. Naughty bad bad cat!

Hmm, so she can get up on the chair and then on to the table...

cozietoesie Tue 28-Aug-12 17:12:28

When she wants to, sure!


changeforthebetter Tue 28-Aug-12 20:03:26

Vets' costs are eyewatering aren't they. Am hoping one of DCs will grow up and become a vet grin

JustFabulous Tue 28-Aug-12 20:05:29

I completely ran out of money 2 weeks ago and it is because of all the vets bills. Hopefully we will get most if not all back though.

edam Tue 28-Aug-12 22:15:45

Hope you do manage to claim it back - vet's bills are hideous. Friend of mine is a vet, years of penury while training but doing very nicely indeed now. I try not to be too jealous!

Glad to hear FABcat is still doing well. smile

changeforthebetter Tue 28-Aug-12 22:16:34

Yes, I had £1k tucked away for emergencies - it is no more.

I went out tonight for a walk and saw a cat just like ChangeCat2 sad. I talked to him and he eyed me in that maddeningly superior way cats do grin <mad cat-lady emoticon>

JustFabulous Wed 29-Aug-12 06:34:34

I have had FABCat insured since she was about 7 weeks old and with the same company for ten years or more. They were happy to take my money for all that time then dumped us once she got too old angry. A couple of months ago they wrote and offered us better cover so I assume they were given a bollocking from those in charge about how they can't just drop all their clients with 2 months notice. It is more of a palava to claim back money now though.

sad change.

cozietoesie Wed 29-Aug-12 07:30:33

coziecat (my senior boy) was never insured when he was with my mother and when he went to the vet here for the first time, the vet's receptionist mumbled from rote 'Do you want him to have insurance?'. I gave her an old-fashioned look when she looked up and she then looked at him properly, down at his notes, blushed a little and said' Oh - I guess they wouldn't take him on, would they?' 'Not a chance' said I. (A then 16 year old Siamese with existing health problems?)

So I just have to pay up and economize in other ways. Extraordinary how vet bills vary though. I think my vet is quite reasonable (oldish practice so not paying for swanky premises) but some vets charge extraordinary amounts.

sad change.

JustFabulous Wed 29-Aug-12 09:15:24

I get 20% off the meds since I am not insured but if they have covered us properly I will pay the vet the discount back, once the insurers have paid us back.

cozietoesie Wed 29-Aug-12 09:27:58

Nice one, JustFabulous.

It occurred to me last night that I once had a cat treated by PDSA when I was a student with nothing but a pound of carrots to my name. I think the time is ripe for coziecat to give a little donation back to PDSA as a return. What goes around etc.


JustFabulous Thu 30-Aug-12 14:01:54

I may been shopping today and bought some prawns and roast chicken as well as a photo cake with her photo on it grin.

PIL have just been over with her card and present and some money to buy her some food.

Who'd have thought she would make it????

Happy Birthday Fabcat! (or is it tomorrow?)

Hope she enjoys her treats

JustFabulous Thu 30-Aug-12 19:07:43

It's tomorrow.

Please don't die overnight FABCat!

edam Thu 30-Aug-12 21:17:09

<sending good wishes for FABcat's birthday>

JustFabulous Fri 31-Aug-12 07:51:24

SHE SURVIVED!!!!!!!!!!!!

FABCat is now 18!!! shock

Something not quite right as she weed and pooed on her floor overnight but she has eaten and posed for birthday photos and is now asleep.

We are having cake tonight once DH is home and she will have prawns and roast chicken for her tea smile.

cozietoesie Fri 31-Aug-12 07:56:03

Happy birthday to FABcat.


JustFabulous Fri 31-Aug-12 12:01:54

Thank you.

She has had a lovely day so far. Had breakfast and has slept on the sofa ever since grin.

Bert the Cat also wishes FabCat a Happy 18th Birthday!


JustFabulous Fri 31-Aug-12 12:32:06


changeforthebetter Fri 31-Aug-12 16:28:38

Happy Purr-thday FabCat wink <boo-boom> grin

Oh happy birthday FabCat! Fantastic! Bet she'll have treats tonight grin

crazynanna Fri 31-Aug-12 17:55:29

Happy Birthday Fabcat!!!! smile

JustFabulous Fri 31-Aug-12 17:59:52

FABCat seems a bit confused about things when I say Happy Birthday to her grin.

She has had normal tea but will be having prawns and roast chicken once MrFab gets home. We will be having cake grin.

My cat is 18. Flipping heck shock.

JustFabulous Fri 31-Aug-12 18:41:10

Just had to fish FABCat off the table where the cake was hmmgrin.

She had just enjoyed a plate of prawns grin.

She has just been playing with her new toy like a kitten grin.

edam Fri 31-Aug-12 23:49:12


Happy birthday to you, FABcat! No squashed tomatoes and stew round your gaff, I see. grin

JustFabulous Sat 01-Sep-12 07:34:35


Also sad as she has weed overnight 2 days running. Why is she doing it??

She is asleep now after having an energetic play. She has mastered how to plkay while being curled up grin.

cozietoesie Sat 01-Sep-12 07:36:47

Bladder control not so good now, I guess, JustFabulous. sad

Good that she's been playing though. smile

JustFabulous Sat 01-Sep-12 08:03:42

It isn't all the time and only at night which makes me wonder really.

We think someone got in our garden last night so maybe she was scared sad.

I am livid at DS1 as he is forever leaving the gate open. And he left the fucking ladders there. Actually, I will stop posting here as I am so angry and now DD and DS2 are lying over something else so now I have to stay in with them while DH goes out.

cozietoesie Sat 01-Sep-12 08:17:42

Keep cool.

JustFabulous Sat 01-Sep-12 08:43:10

I just hate them lying. We have told them to just tell the truth and then it is over with but when they lie it just makes things a lot worse.

cozietoesie Sat 01-Sep-12 08:56:32

Yes - lying is hateful. But you being tense at the moment because of FABCat and them acting up is a bad combination. Going for a long walk might be a good idea as soon as you are free to do so.

JustFabulous Sat 01-Sep-12 09:04:30

I am going out very soon. Shopping then a night alone in a hotel to get some rest.

cozietoesie Sat 01-Sep-12 09:13:17

Good for you.


RedBeret Wed 05-Sep-12 08:22:19

Aaaawww Happy belated birthday fabcat!

Can you post a pic of her at all. So many of us have followed her story all these years, would be lovely to see the old gal smile

JustFabulous Thu 13-Sep-12 18:09:57


I don't know how to post photos on my laptop but will try and find out.

FABCat is still with us. grin. Having a bit of trouble jumping up on to the sofa at times. sad. DH just had to help as she hung off with her claw dug into my foot. I am in a lot of pain. Unbelievable how something so small can hurt so much but then 12lbs of furball hanging off...

Yesterday I came home to find her out the front, cheeky madam.

Have discovered after 18 years than FABCat likes peas grin.

cozietoesie Fri 14-Sep-12 05:41:02

She seems to have got a second wind!


Oopscat can't jump onto the sofa any more, he does a sort of hop up on his back legs then looks confused and slithers off again, or dangles by his front claws looking petrified about the 3-inch drop to the floor. If we up his Metacam, he can just about make it, but it's a juggling act between keeping the dose high enough to help and low enough to not cause side effects.

He is currently tucking into pilchards as I haven't been shopping for cat food today. He thinks it's Christmas. grin

stookiesackhouse Sat 15-Sep-12 16:23:50

Hope FABcat had a purrfect birthday!
Love Stookie and Stookitten.

JustFabulous Sun 16-Sep-12 16:41:30

Coming back for some help before I take FABCat to the vet on Tuesday for her routine jab.

This morning a poo was discovered on the floor. I think FABCat wouldn't have done it right there on purpose so assume it just happened and she was oblivious. This isn't a good sign, is it? sad.

Please can anyone reassure me?

cozietoesie Sun 16-Sep-12 16:52:27

So she was caught short. Cozieseniorboy did the same occasionally before he got his arthritis meds. He uses his tray now.

It's not a great sign - but you knew that, didn't you?

How is she doing apart from that?

JustFabulous Sun 16-Sep-12 17:07:54

She is the cleanest cat ever and would never do this on purpose but what does it actually mean in terms of where we go from here?

She is back to ripping up paper but also still plays. Sleeping at the moment.

I have made a list of all her accidents and when they happened in case it helps the vet with the plan for her care in the future.

cozietoesie Sun 16-Sep-12 18:14:49


Forgive me if I don't go back over the thread. Cozieseniorboy is of an age with your girl and he started pooing in strange places forbye he was previously so very clean.

The vet (who positively fawned over him (he does have the most wonderful baby blues)) reckoned he had some arthritis. She thought that the effort/pain of doing the 'high squat' was putting him off so he was holding it in - and it was drying out in the colon leading to constipation ...... and so on and so on.

Anyway. He's now on arthritis pain meds and also some gentle laxative twice daily. (He has them in his Gourmet glop. I didn't think he would take them in food but he does.) All seems sorted. He does a large soft poo every day or two (in his tray) and the arthritis meds seem to have helped his general approach to life. He leaps around and grooms better than he did.

JustFabulous Sun 16-Sep-12 18:26:00

FABCat definitely has arthritis and it is causing her the most trouble out of all her illnesses. She is napping again grin.

cozietoesie Sun 16-Sep-12 18:33:04

Is she on meds for it?

JustFabulous Sun 16-Sep-12 18:40:20

Oh yes. She has been for a while. She has seroquin and as well as regular anti-inflammatory injections.

cozietoesie Sun 16-Sep-12 19:27:29

Ah well. All I can suggest is that she gets some laxative. Cozieseniorboy gets some stuff called (forgive me if I dive to the kitchen) lactulose. (Known in the family as 'lactopoop, Lactosludge... you name it.) It tastes disgusting to me but there you go.

JustFabulous Fri 28-Sep-12 20:35:16

FABCat update.

Had to have 2 injections. Flinched for the first time ever at the second one sad.

She has weed a few times in the wrong place sad.

She also has PICA now but haven't told the vet yet (searched on Google but haven't worked out what I need to do next yet).

Still plays some times, still ripping up paper, scratched me the other day and bit me for stroking her on her head.

Doesn't like M&S food but will eat it grudgingly when nothing else is forth coming. Prefers Waitrose food grin.

cozietoesie Fri 28-Sep-12 21:10:40

I thought it might be PICA. Well - she's an old girl, JustFabulous. An old, old girl. (I have to say I agree with her about M&S. Their food has definitely gone downhill in recent years!)

JustFabulous Sat 29-Sep-12 07:37:17

LOL about the food. Just gave her Waitrose and she has tucked in. DS2 about to try and catch her while she jumps on the sofa. She struggles sometimes sad.

Do I need to tell the vet? Shop for weird foods for her grin?

cozietoesie Sat 29-Sep-12 07:54:03

You caught me up already. (Had to come down to put the central heating on - for the old boy of course!)

I can't comment on the food, really. Cozieseniorboy has upped the ante (as I think I said before) to Gourmet cat food. The only other thing he'll eat is, strangely enough, Coop own brand pouches which are (for pouches) dirt cheap. (That's apart from little taste treats of ham and tuna which is to be expected.)

I think it's just - if you find something they like, go with it. (But buy individual pouches if they have them rather than boxes. I made the mistake of trying boxes and the 'Starving Cats' box (CPL) down at the local supermarket has benefited greatly. Still - no harm, no foul there. grin)

JustFabulous Sat 29-Sep-12 08:00:35

She likes to let us know that she likes a certain food and waits until we have stocked up before going off it grin. I spend so long trying to remember what she will and won't eat. She is eating the essentials range but won't eat the normal Waitrose range. Is on some really posh stuff as well as that atm. She is only allowed half a pouch though as she needs weight off. She has done pretty well but I wonder if that is why she has developed pica.

DS1 has built her a Duplo step so use to get on the sofa. Her back end must be failing. She weed on the floor again yesterday and I was not impressed to see DH had put her out in the rain. She told tales when I got back and I let her in. He was all who let her in? hmm.

cozietoesie Sat 29-Sep-12 08:13:24

He let her out in the cold nasty rain - with arthritis? Sheezz!

Only other thing I can suggest is a heating pad/electric blanket. (Cozieseniorboy has now joined me at the computer as the heating has come on so excuse any typing errors.)

Your house may seem perfectly warm to you but I know that the boy loves his electric blanket and sleeps there (on top of the bedspread and under the fleece throw with the Setting One heat coming up from below) out of preference to pretty well anywhere else apart from my lap in the evening. (I tend to read upstairs during the day so he gets a 'twofer' there.) The extra heat seems to be good for his arthritis.

I don't know whether you can get a waterproof one - luckily, the boy isn't having liquid accidents at the moment so I don't have to worry about that. Maybe they have them?

JustFabulous Sat 29-Sep-12 08:16:46

I know. He put her out as he caught her peeing so that she could pee outside. Thankfully for him she was sheltering but no way was I not letting her back in.

I will definitely look for a heat pad for her. I had put the blanket on the sofa to catch any dribbles but she didn't sit on it but surely she wouldn't be able to resist a heated cushion?!

cozietoesie Sat 29-Sep-12 08:21:17

I would see if you can get one. The great advantage of an electric blanket is that it does a double job (my bed!) but the boy definitely chooses that in preference to anywhere else. The peeing mistakes are a bit of a concern for you with electricity but I'm sure there's something on the market which might suit.

Best of luck.


cozietoesie Sat 29-Sep-12 08:26:03

PS - sorry, forgot to mention. I think what's helped as much as anything is that his sleeping arrangement (as I said, on top of - it's the duvet actually - and under the fleece throw with heat coming up from beneath) means that he can sleep flat out extended so doesn't need to curl up to conserve warmth. Maybe, therefore, the fleece throw on top is a big contributor against drafts. It certainly seems to help his stiffness - which is largely gone what with the meds and all.

JustFabulous Sat 29-Sep-12 08:59:38

Most of the day FABCat sleeps on my side on the sofa but at night she has some thing similar to [[http://www.petsathome.com/shop/black-and-white-igloo-bed-by-pets-at-home-81253 this

JustFabulous Sat 29-Sep-12 09:00:09
cozietoesie Sat 29-Sep-12 09:50:55

Looks excellent. Cozieseniorboy is a Siamese, though, so will only sleep in bed with me at night. It's what I've been used to for these many years so I rather like it in fact.


JustFabulous Sat 29-Sep-12 14:47:42

FABCat also always slept on my bed until the night we found out we were expecting DS1 and I had read cats shoudln't be in the room. I made up for it by buying her lovely beds and beanbags so she has always had nice sleeping places. She used to sneak on to my bed when the sun was streaming in but can't get up on to it now sad. I deny all accusations of leaving an upturned basket nearby for her to step up on to to get on the bed

cozietoesie Sat 29-Sep-12 17:23:06


Sadly, cozieseniorboy would go into decline if he wasn't allowed to sleep with me. All my boys have regarded exclusion from bed as a serious punishment! (Which is very useful to have up your sleeve if they do a seriously bad thing but would be a bit of a pain in the event of incontinence or something. I've just been lucky there, I guess.)

JustFabulous Sat 29-Sep-12 17:49:48

You know what? FABCat is so naughty, won't sit on my lap. often bites me and scratches me, sits behind me when I am cooking/using the oven and starts demanding tea at 2.30pm but there is nothing I would not do for her and when she dies I will be an emotional wreck and totally embarrassed about it. How can a ball of fur who does all the above mean so much? I know I love her too much and are too attached but I can't help it.

cozietoesie Sat 29-Sep-12 18:31:49

It's because she's your FABCat that's why! And there's no need to be embarrassed about it at all.


JustFabulous Thu 04-Oct-12 09:46:57

FABCat was a bit stroppy yesterday. She was sniffing around in the corner outside so I gently prodded her and asked her what she was doing. She turned round, bared her teeth and hissed at me.

She has been weeing overnight in her room and in the daytime in the lounge nearly every day this week too.

She walks so gingerly at times too.

I came home and she wasn't about. I looked outside and saw my piggies. One was very very still and the other sat near her. I thought the worse so opened the door as quick as I could and she popped her head up. Must have been napping. Told her she had to tell me in future if playing sleeping logs.

Eventually found the cat sunbathing. I sometimes think the animals are more stressful than the kids!

cozietoesie Thu 04-Oct-12 10:08:57

Have you phoned the vet, JustFabulous with details of the night and day peeing, the reaction to your prod and the 'walking gingerly'. They might have a view on that. It sounds as if she might have some pain.

I know you won't want to take her up there unnecessarily at her age but it might be a good idea?

JustFabulous Thu 04-Oct-12 10:16:55

She is on capsules for the innappropriate weeing but they re not doing anything. She has always been stroppy and he knows she has leg trouble so not sure what he could do. She is due back in 2 weeks for another injection I think. Will go and check when she is due and do a list for her accidents and see if there is a pattern between the previous 2 jabs. Back soon.

JustFabulous Thu 04-Oct-12 10:19:42

The only thing the vet doesn't know about is her lucking the sofa and carpet as I forgot to tell him. He knows she has been eating random food (ice cream, custard, chip shop chips and peas.)

cozietoesie Thu 04-Oct-12 10:22:29

It's a hard call. I would do most anything not to have to take cozieseniorboy to the vet because he hates leaving the house so much.

JustFabulous Thu 04-Oct-12 10:24:35

It doesn't look good.

18.9.12 - jabs.

19th - weed overnight.
23rd - weed at 9pm.
24th - green diarrhoea.
28th - weed 4.45pm.
1st - weed on carpet 4pm.
2nd - weed overnight.
3rd - upset tummy.
4th - weed overnight.

Next jab is due 16th.

JustFabulous Thu 04-Oct-12 10:27:27

Last time -

20th August - jab.

31st - weed and pooed overnight.
1st Sept - weed overnight.
2nd - weed in corner 4pm.
12th - weed overnight.
14th - weed on bag in hall.
16th - pooed I think.

18th Sept - 2 jabs.

cozietoesie Thu 04-Oct-12 10:28:41

I'd give them a wee phone with that info (and the rest in your morning post) for advice. You don't have to actually take her up there but it may be that the vet would recognise symptoms and be able to make recommendations/give meds.

JustFabulous Thu 04-Oct-12 10:30:01

Sorry, licking the sofa, not lucking.

JustFabulous Thu 04-Oct-12 10:30:57

Oh crap. Scared. But will ring now.


cozietoesie Thu 04-Oct-12 10:37:17

Thinking of the pair of you - and just about to go upstairs and give cozieseniorboy an extra big hug.

JustFabulous Thu 04-Oct-12 10:55:59

That didn't go well.

My vet is away. Options are to see someone else. One vet said it was the end in a few days. FABCat has lived at least 3 months since and the other wanted to put her on morphine. Basically I can't trust them so we will have to sit it out until our usual vet is back.

Receptionist wasn't interested in any kind of support.

<operation FABCatWatch>

cozietoesie Thu 04-Oct-12 10:57:12

Ah well - keep an eye on her. But I can totally appreciate that you want the vet you trust to deal with her.

JustFabulous Sat 06-Oct-12 09:27:07

In 18 days she has weed in the wrong place ten times with 6 consecutive mornings we have come down to a puddle. Is this the start of the end?

cozietoesie Sat 06-Oct-12 15:20:33


She's an old, old girl. You know the score. Just don't let it go longer than you have to - but maybe wait and see what your trusted vet says.

Thinking of you both.

cozietoesie Sat 06-Oct-12 15:23:05

And you know I speak as one who may have to face this any moment now.

JustFabulous Sat 06-Oct-12 15:41:23

I can read that you say she is old but it doesn't compute as she has survived so much. I think the vet is running out of ideas but also knows I won't have her pts just because I have to clean up her wee unless it is because she is suffering. I just don't know if she is. A neighbour said if a dog is in pain their fur sticks up. Is that true with cats too?

Wolfiefan Sat 06-Oct-12 15:46:21

Poor you. Sorry but I missed this thread. What is wrong with Fab. Sorry missed that too. My poor boy didn't have sticky up fur exactly but a non groomed look and sat sort of hunched.
You have my deepest sympathies. We wept buckets!

cozietoesie Sat 06-Oct-12 15:53:24

Yes it does compute, Just. And I'm afraid that none of my cats have ever been in bad pain (just failing) so I don't know about the fur thing.

I read somewhere - 'There's life - and then there's life worth living.'

I think you need to have a long hard think over the next few days. Do you think she's enjoying peeing otherwise than her place?

I recall with my darling boy two ago that I let him go too long because I couldn't bear him to be gone from this world. I was wrong. Think about it.

JustFabulous Sat 06-Oct-12 15:57:02

She appears to still enjoy life. She still shouts at us if we take too long to feed her. She still makes her way closer to Daddy in the evening as it gets closer to 9pm which means biscuits and bed time. She goes outside to sunbathe and still cries when picking up her toy. I don't think it is time. But what if I am wrong? I would never want her to suffer.

cozietoesie Sat 06-Oct-12 16:09:03

It's so difficult. You read what you want to into things. All I can say is that it's best to go out on a high - let her have smelled the grass and Mom's perfume and go with that. You don't want her to go because she has to with her innards failing.

I've been there Just.

Wolfiefan Sat 06-Oct-12 16:09:44

Our poor boy was clearly not happy. He would never groom or certainly play with toys. It's so hard to know the moment it's the right time though. She's eating and playing? I would say it is not yet but you know your pet best.

JustFabulous Sat 06-Oct-12 16:12:43

Oooo, that bit about having to go is an eye opener but then I think what if I let her go too soon and she could have had another 6 months? I always ask the vet if it is time each time we go and he says I will know but he says in his opinion it isn't time yet. My 7 year old asked if we would have her for Christmas yesterday and I said we have to prepare ourselves for not being. For ages we have joked she will out live us all and in he next 2 weeks I am having tests for cancer in two places. Good job I am a fighter.

JustFabulous Sat 06-Oct-12 16:13:36

She is still eating though I think she has developed pica too.

JustFabulous Sat 06-Oct-12 16:15:28

DH is on FABWatch to tell me if I am in denial or haven't realised. I love her. I want her end of life to be as kind as it can be as I have looked after her for 18 years and done my best for her.

cozietoesie Sat 06-Oct-12 16:18:44

Just - she's 18! She's as old as old.

I would always, now, let one of my boys go too soon rather than leave it too late.

JustFabulous Sat 06-Oct-12 16:24:53

I guess I have been reasured by hearing about cats being 21 or 23 on the vets books and a friend has a cat who is 21 so compared to them she isn't old [stupid person emoticon].

I am going to keep a very close eye on her and wait for my vet to come back, unless there is any change.

If I am prepared to mop up after her every morning is the fact that she is weeing a sign of it being time?

Sorry for all the questions, you must all be sick of me.

cozietoesie Sat 06-Oct-12 16:37:01

No. I'm not sick of you at all. I know what it's like.

I think your OP said it all, really. Her time is likely coming and you have to be there for her.

Let me tell you about the cozie household. People say ' Oh I could never have another cat after Blooter......' But I know that when cozieseniorboy goes - be it tomorrow or in two years time - I'll have another boy as soon as puff. It won't be a cold substitute - it will be a salute to the glorious times I've had with the past boys.

JustFabulous Sat 06-Oct-12 16:43:31

I have already promised the kids we will get 2 kittens as I hope it will help them get over the loss. I love cats and dogs and we can't have a dog yet so cats it will be. Totally happy if FABCat hangs in for a good long while yet though.

Wolfiefan Sat 06-Oct-12 18:41:56

Not sick of you at all. You sound not just strong but a lovely cat mummy. Age doesn't tell you everything. I knew a cat who lived well into its twenties but another who died (not an accident) before he hit double digits. You are doing the best for your pet.

JustFabulous Sat 06-Oct-12 20:14:11

She is asleep next to me and what has just stuck me is how glossy her fur still looks. She is so beautiful. I really wish I knew how to put a photo up as I would love for you all to see her. You have all helped me so much I can't even think how to thank you all.

QueenofJacksDreams Sat 06-Oct-12 20:19:49

Fab I've been lurking here since the beginning you and FabCat have a connection <Really hope that doesn't sound too woo?> You'll know when its time because Fabcat will let you know. I know you wouldn't let her suffer you're doing the best for her right now and you're wonderful for it just remember in the end letting go is the last act of kindness you can show to an animal that has given you so many years of unconditional love.

JustFabulous Sat 06-Oct-12 20:36:20

I don't know why, Queen, but reading your post just immediately made me think about the guy I was with when I got FABCat and how he kicked her so I made plans and left with her. I had nowhere to go but knew I had to leave. I would do anything for her but when I took him back and then finished it she was what got me through. The vet said I know her so well and that is how I picked up that she was ill with kidney disease so quickly and now the cancer. She has now lived with me for 18 years and one day shockgrin.

Awkwardsquad Sat 06-Oct-12 21:21:13

I don't know if I can express myself very well with this so I apologise in advance if I am clumsy in any way. It's just... our two cats (sisters) were nearly 21 when they went. Towards the end, we were asking each other the questions that you are asking - is it time? Are they suffering? It was so hard - we so did not want them to be suffering and so did not want then to go before they needed to. I am upset just remembering it.

But - at the very end, their quality of life was gone. It was in just a very few days, from some quality of life to really none. Not eating at all, or eating a tiny bit then ill. Constant cystitis. Discomfort and not able to settle at all. With one of our lovely cats, she started to smell - kidneys had failed. Letting them both go was so so difficult but the right thing to do for our cats, and we knew when it was time.

If Fabcat still has some quality of life - still eating, still going out, still interacting - then maybe not quite time? But you will know, because you know her.


JustFabulous Sat 06-Oct-12 21:26:30

Oh cripes. She has weed overnight for the last few days and dd said the other day that she smelled sad.

Today she stalked a pigeon grin. See how roller coasterish it is?

changeforthebetter Sat 06-Oct-12 21:29:41

Hi Fab! sad chin strokes for FabCat. As long as you are honest with yourself, you will know what is right for her. You know her best. I felt like that about ChangeCat 2 who basically only liked me. I knew him and I knew when his time was up. Take care and (()) (and the MN anti-hug police can do one!) grin)

Awkwardsquad Sat 06-Oct-12 21:39:54

Weeing overnight may be due in part to arthritis and discomfort/inability to use litter tray? A bit smelly because she can't clean herself? Our two would not have recognised a pigeon at the end let alone stalked it! And the smell was v distinctive and strong. I'm not trying to confuse or cloud matters - I really do know what you're going through. We thought it was getting to the end many times, then it got to the stage when we thought - that's it. Enough. She's had enough, time to stop. Time to rest.

You sound like a wonderful cat mum and she's had / having a great life. Whatever and whenever you decide, you'll be making that decision from love and that is all anyone can do.

Awkwardsquad Sat 06-Oct-12 21:40:43

Bloody bollocks. Tears.

JustFabulous Sat 06-Oct-12 21:41:54

DH went to put her to bed and stood in a puddle of wee sad.

Hang in there FABCat. Your lovely vet is back in a few days.

Thank you very much cftb. I so so so need a hug today. Have had a really tough day.

JustFabulous Sat 06-Oct-12 21:43:59

Sorry to upset you A sad.

cozietoesie Sat 06-Oct-12 21:53:37


She smells? Would she like that?

I think you have to be tough here. Breaking your heart though it may.

Awkwardsquad Sat 06-Oct-12 21:55:46

No! Upset myself! So sorry, this is not about me - I wanted just to let you know that I know what this rollercoaster is like. Whatever happens, you'll be doing it from love. Fabcat does sound fab and so do you.

JustFabulous Sat 06-Oct-12 21:58:57

The smell isn't all the time, just a couple of times since her last jab.

I started this thread in August, look how far she has come.

Awkwardsquad Sat 06-Oct-12 22:01:40


I gave my old girls a gentle wash with a warm damp flannel - perked them up and freshened their fur. Just a corner of flannel, a bit like a gentle lick iyswim

Awkwardsquad Sat 06-Oct-12 22:03:29

'Exactly' @ 'look how far she has come'.

Not used to this posting lark blush

cozietoesie Sat 06-Oct-12 22:03:39

I recall, some few years back, when I went to the vets where my great border collie boy was in treatment. He was past everything. Just past it.

The thing I recall in particular was trying to calm down the vet. She couldn't stop crying. She'd known the collie boy socially (as well as clinically) and I was the one who had to stay strong and sign the papers.

JustFabulous Sat 06-Oct-12 22:03:48

She used to like going in the bath, but to drink from a dripping tap not washing grin.

Wolfiefan Sat 06-Oct-12 22:05:16

We had a real roller coaster with our boy so I understand that.
Stalking a pigeon does not sound like a cat who is at the end if their road.
(At the end of wolfiecat's life I do believe a pigeon could safely have landed on his head most days. )
Wee and smell are yucky but I'd focus on ability to eat, play, cuddle and generally be a cat. When you get no more purrs then you know.
(Can I sneak in with a morsel for FABCAT? How about some hand flaked white fish?)

cozietoesie Sat 06-Oct-12 22:11:37

Stalking a pigeon is the sign of a strong minded cat - she may be at the end but every instinct is to feed and hunt.

Let her go, Just.

JustFabulous Sat 06-Oct-12 22:18:22

<grabs flaked white fish and rushes to FABCat with it>

<goes cold at ct post>

I really can't do anything until my normal vet is back in 10 days, unless of course it is clearly time.

Wolfiefan Sat 06-Oct-12 22:25:10

Cozie. Pls stop pushing. You don't know and can't see the cat.
My vet helped us decide. I felt that was the right thing. An animal on its last legs really won't feel like hunting. It wouldn't have the energy.
Come on home FABCAT's vet! Hoping you won't be needed for a while longer though. (V sad face emoticon)

cozietoesie Sat 06-Oct-12 22:29:49

I'm not pushing. I've been roughly where Just is many, many times. It's a hard place.

QueenofJacksDreams Sat 06-Oct-12 22:32:50

Still stalking? She's not ready to go darling, Lots and lots of animals lose control over their bladders as they get older including humans! When my Nan's dog was at the end he just couldn't move at all he wouldn't even get up to greet you that's when we knew it was time same for MIL's dog just stopped and gave up.

FabCat isn't ready to go just yet she's just a grumpy old lady suffering the indignities of growing old without much grace. 18 years is amazing though I'm only 8 years older than her grin Honestly she sounds wonderful. Don't let other people force your hand you know your cat and she trusts you she will let you know when she's ready.

JustFabulous Sat 06-Oct-12 22:33:06

I feel the need to say I didn't argue when a vet said my little Robbie had to be put down and I was really loving towards him. FABCat means everything to me and no way would I ever want her to suffer just so that I can keep her with me.

Sunnywithachanceofshowers Sat 06-Oct-12 22:55:19

Fab, big hugs to you and lovely Fabcat. xx

JustFabulous Sun 07-Oct-12 07:25:23

More puddle this morning sad.

Scoffed her breakfast though grin.

cozietoesie Sat 13-Oct-12 23:47:00

Gourmet cat food?

Cozieseniorboy condescended to eat some Sheba this morning (I found a box at the back of the pantry.)

JustFabulous Sun 14-Oct-12 16:51:56

Just stood in a wee puddle [fed up].

JustFabulous Mon 15-Oct-12 20:49:21

Vet tomorrow. Feel uneasy about FABCat having another jab as she has already had one more than the vet originally said she could have.

Just to recap, she has hypoestesia, kidney disease, breast cancer and arthritis. The first two things seem to be controlled okay with drugs.

Her problems - wees on the floor in her room almost every night for the last 10-14 days. Also wees in the house, mostly on things (a bag, my apron yesterday) so appears to be trying but can't manage a litter tray as she can't aim her back end due to the arthritis I assume.

She has been okay the last couple of days but has had trouble jumping up on to the sofa when it comes to getting her back end on the sofa.

I don't think it is time. She still eats, sunbathes, argues with me and washes herself but I know with the weeing the vet has run out of ideas. The capsules she has been on have had no effect.

Due to having a GA today I am not supposed to make any major decisions for the next couple of days but if FABCat needed to go DH would tell me.

Sorry for the long essay but can anyone please give me some advice?

When chatting to the nurse today about FABCat she said "move on" and it really upset me as it made me think what a wreck I will be when the time comes on and I am embarrassed.

cozietoesie Mon 15-Oct-12 20:54:19

You've had a GA ? Yourself? Dear goodness Girl. How are you?

JustFabulous Mon 15-Oct-12 21:03:47

Yes, this morning. I am starting to feel sore now and I am really tired. DH has made me stay in bed since we got home and I am not good at doing nothing. FABCat came upstairs earlier. Not to see if I was okay, no no no, but to demand ask for her tea!

StarkAndDormyNight Mon 15-Oct-12 21:20:43

Just found this thread and it has made me cry.

Please don't feel embarrassed that you will be a wreck when the time comes.

Of course some people won't get it but that's their problem. When you lose someone (or somecat) that you love you need to grieve.

And don't doubt yourself, you will know when the time has come.

For the wee, could you put down puppy training pads or is that no good with aiming issues etc?

Hope you are feeling ok following GA btw.

cozietoesie Mon 15-Oct-12 21:25:09

I'll not ask more.

My uncle in law was a an x-ray technician. He deferred greatly to my Aunty (I'd have deferred to her on anything! She was that sort) but on two things he held adamant. Photos and anaesthetics. (His best colleague was an anaesthetist,) He advised me that the effects of a GA can last up to one week. (Which is why you get an automatic sign off for that time on pretty well any GA procedure.) So you feel normal - bit you aren't. Not at all.

Best of luck tomorrow. I'll be thinking of you and herself.

JustFabulous Mon 15-Oct-12 21:31:57

DH has taken tomorrow off too but is going back to work on Wed. TBH I am terrified of driving (GA + new car = recipe for disaster) but have no choice as I can't walk the kids to school.

cozietoesie Mon 15-Oct-12 21:45:47

Don't drive. Seriously. Get a taxi. Uncle in law was very clear on that. You nay (just) get away with it but think if you hit someone because you're not 100%. Please don't try.

Wolfiefan Mon 15-Oct-12 21:51:23

More fish for FAB? What about you? (not fish!) Lovely chocs? Run a bath?
You sound like you've been through the wringer. Just read your Saturday post 10:30ish. You are doing the best for your much loved pet. Keep strong and get well yourself.
(PS my grumpy, old, furry nightmare pooped in our en suite yesterday. On the bloody carpet! My next pet may well be a rock!?!)

JustFabulous Tue 16-Oct-12 07:52:56

More wee this morning. Every night for the last 2 weeks and then 4 episodes before that since the 18th Sept.

I have told DH I am really worried about driving tomorrow and he just said we will see how I am. I think he must take the kids to school in the morning and I will try and pick them up. Less traffic at that time of day, more time to take it steady and more time I will have rested. I am concerned it could invalidate my insurance if I drive too soon. The nurse said Wednesday would be okay but I am going by how I feel.

I am glad DH is coming to the vet with me.

JustFabulous Tue 16-Oct-12 08:00:30

I couldn't sleep last night and feel exhausted already. Just waved kids off to school.

JustFabulous Tue 16-Oct-12 14:32:43

Not sure what to say about the vet visit.

She has had an antibiotic injection and an anti-inflammatory one.

The vet has taken urine and blood to check for infection and for how her kidneys are doing. She has weed every day for the last 2 weeks and it is obviously getting worse as she is doing it in the day too some times. Is currently ripping up the newspaper after asking DH to feed her.

She has some paste to put in her food, B12 vitamins, to help with the kidneys and the fact she seems to have developed pica.

Results tomorrow. I am scared what they will say.

changeforthebetter Wed 17-Oct-12 06:26:28

Hey fab thinking of you and fabcat today <hand squeeze>

brrbrrwinteriscoming Wed 17-Oct-12 07:49:38

aww fab i have just read all of your thread. how sad. dont know if it makes you any better but my 6yo black cat will just pee on the floor if he is annoyed! he will pee on the dirty washing basket, or scrunch up the bath mat and have piddle, or if he is really really annoyed he piddles in the dog bed! - he has even peed in my handbag before!

he is also quite likes a shit in the bath. hes a little fucker! but i love him

hope today goes well for you

JustFabulous Wed 17-Oct-12 08:21:03

Thank you. Results day today.

QueenofNightmares Wed 17-Oct-12 14:34:04

Hey sweetie, thinking of you both today hope that the fabfighter is ok smile

JustFabulous Wed 17-Oct-12 15:00:50

Vet just called.

Her kidneys are stable smile. Her wee is very diluted though. Basically she is drinking loads as it is mostly going straight through as the kidneys aren't doing what they should be but on the whole it is okay.

Her urine sample has thrown up something unusual so it has been sent to the lab for further checking and I am just waiting now to see what is going on.

I feel so sorry for my vet. He is lovely but it must be awful when he has to ring me with bad news.

FABCat is oblivious and is currently having a wash next to me on the sofa.

<keeping everything crossed>

I am not well atm as a result of the GA I think so hoping for no bad news.

QueenofNightmares Wed 17-Oct-12 19:53:52

Great news that her kidneys are stable I'm really happy to hear that smile Hopefully its something nice and simple like a UTI that's coming up in her urine as shes obviously not hurting I really don't think Fabcat sounds the sort of cat to keep quiet when miserable/hurting.

Hope you feel better soon, look after yourself.

JustFabulous Wed 17-Oct-12 21:15:39

Test was fine! grin

cozietoesie Thu 18-Oct-12 09:18:06

Now that's good news - although I can't say I understand why the pee is just 'going through her' if everything is working fine.

How are you both this morning?

JustFabulous Thu 18-Oct-12 10:30:54

I could have remembered it wrong. She is having to drink more, or thinks she is, to stay hydrated.

She is currently having a bath. Has had breakfast and I am thinking about going to see about a covered litter tray for her as I think nightly weeing is going to happen every day now. I hate litter trays with a passion and she isn't keen either but with a covered one hopefully the wee stays contained. When we tried her with a normal one she mostly missed as she can't position herself due to her hocks.

I am exhausted and have to go to the shop soon but going to take it easy now as done enough tidying I think.

cozietoesie Thu 18-Oct-12 10:33:51

Take it easy then - get the stuff delivered if you're able to. You're not going to be any use to her if you're completely flaked out!

JustFabulous Thu 18-Oct-12 10:50:13

I am getting towards not going. My car has done to have something done and still isn't back anyway and I am too shattered to walk to the shop and the stuff I want is heavy.

cozietoesie Thu 18-Oct-12 12:58:23

Hope you went for a snooze. It's only a few days since that GA and you really don't need to be even more shattered than you already are.

JustFabulous Thu 18-Oct-12 13:05:56

Back from pet shop. Covered litter tray won't work for her as she would have to step over quite a high side and there isn't a lot of room to turn around. Will have to keep mopping the floor. I can't wait until the weekend so I can rest. I am drained.

cozietoesie Thu 18-Oct-12 13:21:56

I'm sure .... LoneCat, I think it was, mentioned a special litter tray that has low sides that you can get online. Let me see if I can find it. It was fairly recent.

cozietoesie Thu 18-Oct-12 13:32:27

Sorry - semi failure. Lonecat only said not to get one more than 5cm high. I've had a look on the net and the only one I can quickly find (you or someone else may have more luck) is on ebay. Just search there on 'Shallow Cat Litter Tray' and they've got one relevant advert where you can select a 2" deep tray - which is about 5 cm in depth.

Best of luck.

Oh Fab it's good that FabCat's kidneys are ok, that is such a worry isn't it. If FabCat is weeing in odd places, can you maybe leave some things around purposely for her to wee on? For some reason, mine like to wee on plastic carrier bags if I leave them on the floor. That way at least you have some control over where she goes.

Fingers crossed for 'something unusual' being nothing at all.

Take care of yourself.

Oops! Didn't see the last page with your update - good news about the test being OK.

QueenofNightmares Thu 18-Oct-12 14:19:48

Would a kitten litter tray work at all? They seem much more shallow but I don't think you can get them covered.

JustFabulous Thu 18-Oct-12 21:24:39

Poor FABCat though actually, I think he may have had fun confused. Recently got back from the Harvest Festival to find loads of torn up newspaper. Glad to see she wasn't pining for us grin.

If I have left a bag on the floor she will wee on it and also weed on DS1's jumper and his school bag once. When she wees overnight it is always in the same place. Options are - do nothing and mop the floor each morning. Put something on the floor to soak it up and then bin/wash it each day. Try and get a kitten tray but there is still the issue of her not being able to aim. Cat nappies grin.

cozietoesie Thu 18-Oct-12 21:46:11

Newspaper on the floor, sounds like? (If she's using the same place every night.) Then bin the next morning.

QueenofNightmares Fri 19-Oct-12 13:46:42

Cat nappies grin Poor FABcat! They do look kind of sweet though blush

JustFabulous Fri 19-Oct-12 13:56:12

The indiginity though at 18 sad.

DH not keen to try another tray. I might go and have another look for one. Mopping the floor is better than scooping out soggy litter though.

cozietoesie Fri 19-Oct-12 14:41:13

I just had a look at the nappy link. They do look a bit undignified - I wonder how cats react to them. Thinking of how they often react to collars, leads and things.

I'd disagree with you on the litter thing though, JustFabulous. A nice clumping litter and then it's scoop a doop, load on some newspaper, ruffle the litter back to evenness and bin the pee parcel. Then back for a cup of tea. I think that's a lot easier than finding the mop and the Flash and all when you're only half awake!


PS - if you do decide to go for litter, for goodness sake avoid those hopeless scoops they sell in pet shops - the ones with the holes in them. Find yourself a cheap hardware store (or have a look on ebay) and get a flour scoop. They're firmer and have an edge to them. Make the whole job 5 times easier.

JustFabulous Fri 19-Oct-12 17:33:23

We haven't had much luck with litter. It either doesn't clump at all or goes very wet and soggy and it really hard to scoop up.

cozietoesie Fri 19-Oct-12 18:03:40

Discouraging if that happens.

Have you (or a relative/friend) got a spare litter tray you can try? And, say, a Sainsbury's or Coop nearby? (I say those two because those are the ones my very fussy senior boy will use - although at a pinch he'll use LIDL's. I know that everyone on the board has their own personal preference of course but I'm thinking 'not too expensive' to give it a try.) My boy will only use 'clumping natural' /China Clay/ Fuller's Earth - however they describe it according to manufacturer. It should say something about one of the latter two on the back of the pack label and would be a heavy bag about a foot and a half high.

Then - in the tray, a goodly layer of litter. If you make it too skimpy, then liquid will go through if the cat is peeing fast enough. You need it to be sufficiently thick to delay it long enough to hold it in a clump. I'm trying to imagine in my mind - say about 3 inches deep in a normal tray. Put the tray on a layer of paper to catch stray bits of litter in case she tries to cover it up. (A broadsheet newspaper spread out should do the job.)

Scooping up can be difficult if you haven't put deep enough litter and/or if you've got the wrong implement. I think I said a flour scoop but it's just occurred to me that a cleaned or cheap new garden trowel would do the job just fine and you or a neighbour will likely have one of those. That firm metal edge just zippity doos the job. Put the used litter (hopefully a nice big fat clump) in an opened up newspaper readied by the side of the tray, roll and fold up into a little parcel, put in a poly bag and bin either directly or when you've got two or three parcels. (Same for poos of course.)

Sorry for the tome - it sounds more complex than it is. I've had fussy cats for many many moons (senior boy just climber on me so my typing may go to pot) and I've got on just fine.

cozietoesie Fri 19-Oct-12 18:10:33

Revision - about 2-2.5 inches deep. (I just went to measure one of the trays. I clearly have the spatial perception of a banana.)

How are you feeling today? Better, I hope.

JustFabulous Fri 19-Oct-12 18:36:38

TBH DH doesn't want the tray. He usually finds the puddle and puts kitchen roll down. Leaves it there so I can see it. Have asked him why he doesn't just clean it up.

He has a valid point in that she can't aim her bottom so tends to get the floor wet anyway so therefore cleaning up the tray and the floor.

I just want to do whatever FABCat wants but she isn't telling me. She is currently snoring. Maybe that is why I am not getting an answer.

I feel grotty.

cozietoesie Fri 19-Oct-12 19:03:08

Poor you.

I disagree with your DH actually. Once they get in the tray, these trays are big enough (and the angle of the pee in a normal situation is such) that they don't actually have to aim: they just go.

Your call, though. There's obviously a lot to this one.

JustFabulous Fri 19-Oct-12 19:09:06

DH is right. We have seen her wee and it isn't contained. She isn't in a normal situation though as her legs are not great sad.

JustFabulous Tue 30-Oct-12 13:09:47

I have a very clever and cheeky cat.

We have been tidying up as friends are coming this afternoon and DH put all FABCat's toys in her room. When he left the room she went in and carried them all back into the lounge, one by one grin. Twice gringrin.

cozietoesie Tue 30-Oct-12 14:21:49

Well really! Who did he think owned the house, eh?


How dare he tidy up HER toys! grin Honestly, you'd think she'd have him trained by now.

JustFabulous Tue 30-Oct-12 19:13:53

She continued to do it grin.

I think he got the message!

Lovely to see her playing and showing character.

JustFabulous Thu 01-Nov-12 17:09:16

After a lot of deliberating, leaving and going back to the shop, I have bought FABCat this. I put her on it so she would know it was for her and she walked straight off it hmm. I put her back on and encouraged her to stay on it so DH could take a picture and she got off as soon as she could. Why do I even bother?!?!!?

cozietoesie Thu 01-Nov-12 17:32:05

Now there's your problem right away. If you had forbidden her to use it (a light forbidding) she'd have been up on it instantly!

JustFabulous Thu 01-Nov-12 18:23:41

I know! You would think I had learnt by now. She has taken a couple of days to get used to something to sleep on in the lounge in the past though so not all hope is lost maybe just my £15!

I bought a similar one for my cat. He gave it the hmm look, and has never set foot on it. He will, however, sleep on any of my t-shirts that miss the laundry basket, my canvas shopping bags, my shoes, and any cushion that falls off the sofa.

JustFabulous Fri 02-Nov-12 18:01:12

<BREAKING NEWS> FABCat had a long sleep on it, on the sofa, today after someone put her on it. She hasn't voluntarily gone on it yet. Disappointed.

cozietoesie Fri 02-Nov-12 18:18:49

Well she's not going to go on it voluntarily with anyone watching, is she? A girl has her pride after all.

JustFabulous Fri 02-Nov-12 18:20:48

Pride? confused

It is a gorgeous soft bed. Daft cat.

cozietoesie Fri 02-Nov-12 18:32:32

It's a gorgeous cost bed which was chosen for her by someone else. She'll make you work for the feedback!

cozietoesie Fri 02-Nov-12 18:32:51

soft bed, even.

JustFabulous Fri 02-Nov-12 18:38:21

I wouldn't care but it is her Christmas present and we have given it to her early due to her advanced age and illnesses. Damn cat needs to show some appreciation. Just get on it once and go to sleep and I will be happy.

<loses the plot>

cozietoesie Fri 02-Nov-12 18:46:55

Put it on the floor, preferably in front of a fire or next to a radiator. She'll be in it soon enough.


(Sorry for typing. I'm trying to type through Cozieseniorboy who had chicken for lunch and is trying to crawl all over me persuade me into chicken for supper. Not a chance.

JustFabulous Fri 02-Nov-12 18:49:00

It is now on the floor.

FABCat is on the single chair, asleep, snoring very very loudly.

cozietoesie Fri 02-Nov-12 18:58:02


JustFabulous Sun 04-Nov-12 18:35:10

Still rejecting pillow.

Found wee puddle.

Has lost 3lbs since put on rations.

Fed up.

cozietoesie Sun 04-Nov-12 18:46:14

Shouldn't you be easing up on the rations soon? How overweight was she?

JustFabulous Sun 04-Nov-12 19:00:46

She was a little over 12lbs iirc.

She doesn't look like she has lost any weight.

I think I will start giving her a bit more if the paw lifting carries on.

I may have given her some tuna earlier grin.

JustFabulous Sun 04-Nov-12 19:20:26

She has just peed all over the floor.


More fed up.

cozietoesie Sun 04-Nov-12 19:35:30

So she's about 8 lbs now? That's an OK weight. I'd start easing up on the rationing I think.

JustFabulous Sun 04-Nov-12 19:38:38

We made it 9lbs.

DH has sprayed the carpet and it is setting my asthma off now.

cozietoesie Sun 04-Nov-12 19:47:10

Buy or borrow a steam cleaner. (I got a reconditioned Karcher one from the firm - which wasn't expensive.) That will clean and sterilise anything.

JustFabulous Sun 04-Nov-12 19:49:45

We have one. It is too noisy though to do it now as the children are in bed.

She has no infection so no medical reason to pee everywhere.

cozietoesie Sun 04-Nov-12 19:55:18

Did you notice the following thread, Just? Might be of interest.


JustFabulous Sun 04-Nov-12 19:58:30

Looks good but we don't have that shop near us.

I have just put an old bath towel down.

cozietoesie Sun 04-Nov-12 20:40:28

Ah well. Maybe a friend or relative will have one nearby. At £3 it might be worth a punt.

cozietoesie Sun 04-Nov-12 20:41:09

£2 - that 3 was typed by Seniorboy and not me!

cozietoesie Mon 05-Nov-12 07:05:18

Thinking about the diet. That's quite a weight loss (although doubtless necessary) and I'm just wondering if she's drinking extra water to make up for feeling hungry. Seniorboy does that if I've delayed feeding for some reason - such as the clock change.

I remember my great aunt (who was of an age in human terms with FABcat) and if she drank water, tea or something it just went straight through her like anything. We had to plan any journeys with her according to likely 'pit stops' because she would be taken suddenly short and was prone to accidents if she'd taken too much actual liquid.

I'm wondering if FABcat could be the same. Maybe when you ease up on the rationing it might help?

Just musing, anyway.

JustFabulous Mon 05-Nov-12 11:00:15

Her water intake was up because of her kidney troubles and hasn't increased since she was put on lower rations. I have an appointment next week for another jab so I will mention it then.

I am a bit confused and hmm as I was told jabs for 6 months then needed a break but she has had monthly jabs for 3 further months. He said he couldn't but is now saying it is fine. Thinking about it though she is a bit better at getting up on the sofa and the other day she jumped on my bed grin.

cozietoesie Mon 05-Nov-12 11:45:01

Well at least she's better at getting up and around. As to the water - keep an eye on her. They can be quite sneaky in finding it and only a little makes a difference.

Off to make lunch for Seniorboy. I'm being given a hard time because he only has 10 minutes to go. (Which is late as far as he's concerned!)

JustFabulous Mon 05-Nov-12 11:54:29

She keeps lifting her paw up. We are assuming she is hungry. I touched the paw gently and she is fine with that so I can only think it isn't in pain.

cozietoesie Mon 05-Nov-12 11:59:12

Well 9 lbs is likely normal weight range for her now following her slimming regime? Maybe she is hungry. I'd certainly be considering just a few extra morsels - maybe not as many as she'd like but enough to keep her happy and yet not get podgy again.


cozietoesie Mon 05-Nov-12 12:00:13

Sorry - full-figured !


JustFabulous Mon 05-Nov-12 14:49:23


Still refusing to voluntarily go on her bed. Rather unexpectedly I found her curled up on my bed right in the middle where the sun was shining.

DS1 gave her 8 treats earlier. They are tiny but I had said four but she looked at him and asked for more hmmgrin.

cozietoesie Mon 05-Nov-12 14:53:16

Well.... She got up on your bed when she really wanted to, eh?

(Seniorboy loves some sunlight. Trouble is that being an indoor cat, he thinks that sunlight is an add-on to background central heating and carpets. I think he'd be horrified if I asked him to experience the sunlight outside. (2 degrees at the moment.))

JustFabulous Sun 11-Nov-12 12:52:35

FABCat due this week for another anti-inflammatory jab but I am wondering about postponing. I have said before how the vet said she could only have so many but she has continued to have them monthly so that confuses me. She is doing okay. No weeing for a while. Can jump on to my bed when she couldn't and seems less wobbly. We have upped her food to one sachet for breakfast and half at tea time and generally she is being a madam and getting herself about.

QueenofNightmares Sun 11-Nov-12 13:15:07

Its lovely to hear FABCat is doing so well smile It just proves you made the right decisions about her treatment.

JustFabulous Sun 11-Nov-12 13:30:14

Thank you. I am just not so sure about more jabs.

QueenofNightmares Sun 11-Nov-12 13:38:12

Why not go without this jab and see how things go? If she does seem to be suffering more without it then you can call the vet and have the jab done then but it will let you see if she really needs them as often as shes having them?

JustFabulous Sun 11-Nov-12 13:56:14

It is only since the last one, and moreso in the last few days, that she seems better so maybe it takes that long to work or maybe it is just because she has slimmed down she can jump up. There is a bit of my that is getting cynical as he definitely said there was limit but when I questionned him he said it would be fine. Maybe she can have the jabs because everything else is stable confused.

QueenofNightmares Sun 11-Nov-12 16:47:27

Talk to your vet about it then go with your gut. Look how far your instincts have brought you both keep trusting them smile

JustFabulous Sun 11-Nov-12 17:08:02

I think I will, thanks that really helps. I am going to leave a message saying she is doing really well so I want to postpone the jab. The vet can easily ring me if he feels that isn't the right thing to do.

cozietoesie Mon 12-Nov-12 06:53:30

So glad she is doing better and that the small amount of extra food looks to be working well.

I think my general rule (with man or beast) would be not to give any meds that aren't absolutely required and let the body do what it can naturally. If you feel that she's doing OK without them, why not leave it and see how it goes? You can always dash back and get a jab for her if you subsequently think she needs it.


JustFabulous Mon 12-Nov-12 14:16:11

I have cancelled the appointment but said if the vet felt she needed the jab I would bring her. I don't want to deny her anything she needs but tbh since she ran out of seroquin and lost a bit of weight she seems a lot better. She is less wobbly, can jump up much easier and is getting really really chatty grin.

JustFabulous Mon 12-Nov-12 18:58:59

Typical. I have been saying how well she has been doing and she now scrabbled and fell off the sofa. She just stood there looking really shocked until DS1 could pick her up. I am thinking she just misjudged it rather than there being a random deterioration.

She is now washing herself and seems okay.

cozietoesie Mon 12-Nov-12 19:22:16

I wouldn't worry too much at an isolated instance like that. I've had boys that fallen off things before - in moments of, say, sheer forgetfulness about how close they were to an edge. (For your 'shocked' read, rather, 'embarrassed'. They hate being seen to do something stupid!)

JustFabulous Mon 12-Nov-12 19:27:28


She is fast asleep now.

I feel like I am going to get told off by the vet for not taking her as I have gone against his advice.

cozietoesie Mon 12-Nov-12 19:32:07

His original advice was to limit the jabs. If he cuts up rough, say that you appreciate that he was trying to help FABcat by doing - maybe - more than he really should but you feel you should stick by what he thought first off, if that's possible given her condition.

cozietoesie Mon 12-Nov-12 19:33:47

PS - did he give you a reason for limiting them? If not, back then, ask him what the upshot is.

Fab, my old boy constantly does the step-scrabble-tumble followed by the look that says, "what the hell just happened?"

I think it's part and parcel of being elderly.

The vet shouldn't tell you off, he can advise you but ultimately it's your decision as to what treatment you want to authorise. You know FabCat better than anyone, and if you think she is better without the jab, stick to your guns.

JustFabulous Mon 12-Nov-12 19:38:08

He just said she could only have them for 6 months. I think he carried on because she was fine with them every month. It was the way he was so dismissive when I questionned the change in decision that has bugged me.

cozietoesie Mon 12-Nov-12 19:53:01

Medics (of whatever speciality) can sometimes be like that, sadly.

I'd get into a dialogue with him next time you go. If he's changed his mind, check why - for instance did he think originally that they might affect her kidneys long term, which they often do ? If so, he should be doing blood work for her, I would have thought. (My own vet won't allow cozieseniorboy to have more than 6 month's worth without doing bloods and urine (although, she may let it go longer next time, who knows) and you know that he's of an age with FABcat.)

JustFabulous Mon 12-Nov-12 19:56:15

She had bloods and urine last month. That was the £250 bill. Not impressed at paying £50 to have urine sent to the lab as he felt it looked suspect. Urine was fine. Kidneys are stable and much the same as the last time they were checked.

cozietoesie Mon 12-Nov-12 20:00:00

Well to be fair to him, that may be why he's happy to continue with the anti-inflammatories - having seen the results of the recent tests and knowing that she's weathering the meds well. You need to really talk to him, Just.

Good luck with her anyway - and her more vocal self!


JustFabulous Tue 13-Nov-12 17:13:37

Anyone there?

QueenofNightmares Tue 13-Nov-12 18:39:30

I'm late but here, is everything ok?

FlibberdeGibbet Tue 13-Nov-12 18:46:29

Hi JustFab - had a quick scan of your recent posts and I'm so delighted to hear that FABcat has rallied! It is great news that she can jump on your bed!

BTW we have that cat bed - to my knowledge the only mammal that has graced in in the last year is a recently deceased mouse that one of my delightful kitties brought me as a gift.

JustFabulous Tue 13-Nov-12 18:50:59

I am worried about FABCat.

DS2 stood on her paw but later she was limping on a different paw.When she has limped before it is normally gone very quick and she is fine.

She couldn't jump on to the sofa so I lifted her up and she has been here ever since. I am feeling guilty as she didn't have her jab today but dh said it is coincidence.

I don't want to make her walk or take her to the vet now as she doesn't like going out in the car at night. If she is still limping in the morning I will have to take her I think.

QueenofNightmares Tue 13-Nov-12 19:00:01

Don't feel guilty Fab I agree with your DH its a coincidence and could be any manner of things. Honestly it would take more than a day for the jab to wear off.

Don't take her out tonight if she wouldn't be happy about it just keep her comfortable and see how she is in the morning. Could be that she's just feeling the cold a bit tonight and its causing her stiffness could be nothing more than a random ache or even a bit of sympathy seeking smile

JustFabulous Tue 13-Nov-12 19:04:18

She just jumped down gingerly and limped to the kitchen. I carried her the rest of the way to her water bowl but she didn't want a drink. I think she was hoping for food.

She definitely is struggling with her back end. sad.

<tries not to panic>