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Old cat, new dog......

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VivienneWestwoodsKnickers · 30/11/2016 21:48

Puss aka the Tiny Pampered Princess (housecat) is 11. She has a new 'little' sister in the form of a one year old bouncy dog, Pooch, of dubious breeding. (Pet names changed for illusion of privacy!). My DP and I got the dog together, but Puss was mine for many years before we started a relationship.

Puss lived with dogs for the first year of jet life, but that was a long time ago. She is very territorial and tries to attack passing cats through the window....

Puss has now retreated upstairs in disgust and will not come down into the living room. She will sit on the stairs and not pass the baby gate we've put up at the bottom to prevent Pooch going up. She can see into the living room through the banisters and sits there all evening, scowling at the dog.

Pooch is of unknown breed, but supposedly fine with cats. Pooch has been with us about 3 weeks. She's not tried to attack the cat, but is always staring at her. It's hard to break her obsession, but she can be distracted with play or food. She is a very inquisitive beastie, and I suspect that she just wants to sniff Puss and see what she is up close.

Pooch does get nose to nose with Puss through the banisters occasionally, but usually Puss legs it if the dog makes any noise like a whine.

I think Pooch is part sighthound, part Collie, part Husky.

What do we do from here? Force a meeting? Definitely not my preferred option. Ignore it and hope to god my cat comes downstairs? Tell the dog off every time she looks at the cat? Stop the dog sitting where she can see the cat?

How did you do this sort of introduction?

Old cat, new dog......
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cozietoesie · 30/11/2016 23:59

Is Pooch a 'chaser'? (She has that look to her.Wink)

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ExitPursuedBySpartacus · 01/12/2016 00:05

Our aged cat moved upstairs when the dog arrived and never ventured downstairs again until a few weeks before her demise.

But we are three storey and work in the middle floor so she spent all day in the office with me and slept with me at night.

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BagelGoesWalking · 01/12/2016 00:25

Part sighthound, part Collie, part Husky. Bloody hell, that's quite a combo. I feel a bit sorry for your cat!

I would keep Pooch on a lead in the house if you possibly can, especially if the cat does make a move downstairs at all. Definitely don't force a meeting. I've read here on other threads that it can take a long time before the cat will accept a new dog...

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TrionicLettuce · 01/12/2016 00:47

I'm with Bagel, keeping Pooch on a house line for a while would be a good idea just in case. I'd also make sure your cat has plenty of escape routes, whether that's through baby gates (though standard baby gates won't pose much of a barrier for most dogs) or safe places up high she can get to.

Bear in mind that intense staring (rather than just watching with interest) is part of the predatory sequence and both sighthounds and huskies can have extremely high prey drives. With such a mix you might always need some level of management in place and however well they appear to be getting on I'd never leave them with access to each other when you're out of the house.

Definitely don't tell Pooch off for looking at the cat, instead keep some lovely treats to hand and reward her for looking at the cat then looking away.

There's a good article here on the APBC site (it's geared towards introducing a new cat to an existing dog but it's still useful for the reverse) and another here on the Dog Training Advice and Support FB group.

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TrionicLettuce · 01/12/2016 00:52

Not sure that FB link is working, try this one. It's the 'Dogs and Cats/Small Furries' link roughly halfway down that list.

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VivienneWestwoodsKnickers · 01/12/2016 07:36

Yes, Pooch loves to run and possibly is a chaser.

This house isn't big enough for Puss to be happy like this forever, and we both work out every day, so she's alone by day (Pooch goes to with with DP).

Pooch has so far taken verbal commands to stay or keep back from the cat. She gets upset if we leave her lead on or tie her to something (i.e. Table next to me when we were in a pub garden - she was never left, I was patting her), but we think her first six months were spent tied up or crated, so that could be why.

Agree we can never leave them alone without a good bolt hole for the cat. The baby gate has been effective so far, but may need to be a permanent one.

I'll read the links today, thank you!

All practical experience would be great too.

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TheRavensFeather · 01/12/2016 07:40

Poor old girl. At her age I don't think it's fair she is dealing with this :(

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VivienneWestwoodsKnickers · 01/12/2016 08:05

I know Raven, I'm having massive guilt over it. OTOH, the dog is settling in well and us a very quick learner, so do we keep working at this or look to rehome one of them?

Puss was here first, was my companion through some very bad times, and I would be inconsolable if anything happened to her.

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Meemolly · 01/12/2016 09:32

Oh my goodness, what a pair of cuties they are. I feel bad for your lovely old girl (I've just lost my cat and miss having one around so much) and I hope that things improve. He does seem like a sprightly little lad - even in her photo she looks mightily unimpressed.
Let us know how it goes!

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cozietoesie · 01/12/2016 13:00

We've always had a strict rule - 'Dogs don't go upstairs' - and the cats know it. (Border collies so they're massively trainable. We've never needed stair gates.)

I'd be ensuring that Pooch has as much solid exercise outside as you can manage - she looks as if she'd be a glutton for it - and then leave them to it. (While enforcing the 'not going upstairs' rule, using your gate as necessary because that's one heck of a mix Pooch has in her and she's only young.) If the cat has a good safe area, she should be fine.

I'd, personally, also put a tray for the cat and a feeding station upstairs so that she has all her orders up there if needed.

Good luck. Smile

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Fluffycloudland77 · 01/12/2016 14:56

Huskys and sight hounds are high prey drive animals aren't they?.

There's no way I would trust the dog around cats.

I can't see why you thought getting a dog was a good idea. You should rehome the dog.

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cozietoesie · 01/12/2016 15:54

I don't know about huskies but sight hounds are, to my knowledge. I wouldn't leave them alone.

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TimeIhadaNameChange · 01/12/2016 16:06

If you are going to rehome one of them it has to be Pooch, it would be massively unfair to rehome Puss after all these years.

Does Puss still climb? If so, could you set up a series of shelves etc around the house, so she can get around without having to go near Pooch?

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TrionicLettuce · 01/12/2016 16:10

Huskies do indeed tend to have very high prey drives, they can also be unreliable even when apparently accepting of other animals. It's worth having a read of the negative points of owning a husky on the breed club site. Obviously Pooch isn't all husky but it's all still potentially relevant, particularly if there's sighthound in there as well.

Agree we can never leave them alone without a good bolt hole for the cat.

A bolt hole is fine for when you're there supervising but for when you're out I really wouldn't risk leaving them with any access to each other at all, just in case. Even if they apparently get on very well and the risk of anything going wrong is small the consequences if it does could be pretty disastrous and given the mix of breeds you think Pooch is it would be safer all round to keep them properly separated when you can't keep an eye on them.

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VivienneWestwoodsKnickers · 01/12/2016 16:17

We didn't know Pooch might have sighthound in her until we took her to the vet for a check up. I've always had gun dogs, DP has had collies and GSDs.

We've agreed that we're not rehoming anyone unless Pooch goes for Puss, and for me it would be Pooch out the door for all the reasons you've all pointed out - I totally agree.

We got the dog because we've both wanted one for a long time, and figured we could coax Puss to deal. She's very agile and kittenish, but has never been much of a climber. She is highly undignified and rather clumsy.

Definitely always been a 'no dogs upstairs' rule here too, but the gate is more to protect Puss for now. I just don't want her to be a prisoner upstairs. All her things are up there, plus two Feliway plug ins.

I've been 'working' from home today, and have had Puss down with me most of the day, so we'll see what happens when DP and Pooch come home in a hour or so.

Pooch is easily knackered and gets at least 2 hours a day running about, so tends to fall asleep at the drop of a hat, but when she's awake she doesn't take her eyes off the stairs unless we distract her.

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TondelayaDellaVentamiglia · 01/12/2016 16:31

i think never leaving them alone together is a good rule.

reward dogface as above for looking away from pussface and keep her away from the bottom of the stairs....can she have her own safe place to be sent to if Puss is milling about? Are you crating her? Just make her bed/corner as lovely a place as possible and reward her for staying and settling there.

I would totally not push any intros, just carry on as normally as possible, let them make their own boundaries or introductions under strict supervision.

We have had lots of pups through the house and varying degrees of friendship between idiotcat and various pups...a couple have been best buds but mostly pups are just tolerated and ruled with a paw of sharpness. Idiotcat's sister never makes friends with dogs, it is beneath her. My very old cat who died a year ago was similar...a strict no niceness policy was his preference, but he wasn't averse to lording it over them when the fire was lit
It's been a long time since we introduced adult dog to adult cat!

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cozietoesie · 01/12/2016 17:04

She won't be a 'prisoner' - she'll likely look at it as 'cat entitlement'. (I was going to say 'privileges' but I'm not sure that cats understand that word.) As will the dog.

The difficult time will be after a few weeks when you feel you can relax.

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VivienneWestwoodsKnickers · 01/12/2016 19:05

Pupdate: cat has marched into the living room and taken up residence on a chair (under the dinner table). Dog is currently sparko on her bed and barely opened an eye as the cat passed. Looked at Puss inquisitively, then fell asleep again.

Progress!

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TimeIhadaNameChange · 01/12/2016 19:21
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ExitPursuedBySpartacus · 01/12/2016 19:43

That's great. I am sure if puss holds her ground all wil be well.

It's the running away that gets em going.

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VivienneWestwoodsKnickers · 01/12/2016 19:48

Puss is still there! I'll be taking Pooch out for her evening walk shortly (very well wrapped up - it's 1c just now!). Although, getting this dog up after she's been sleeping is like evicting a teenager from their bed before school.....

Hopefully Puss will stay down here for the evening. But agree with PP that we can't leave them. alone together this.

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Meemolly · 01/12/2016 20:18

Great news, go puss!

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cozietoesie · 01/12/2016 20:20

Ah that will be the sighthound in her. (The slugabed bit.) Collies, in my experience, just live and breathe 'work'. ( Which is what their walks become if they're not working dogs.) .They watch you, waiting for the chance to serve. Grin

(I don't know huskies.)

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nooka · 01/12/2016 20:50

If you've no idea about your dog's breed you could ways do a DNA test on her (just requires saliva). I'd not assume that the vet is necessarily right about what sort of mix she is. Our pup is a rescued all sorts and we've heard all sorts of theories about his parentage, except the one thing we do know about him (his mum was an American Water Spaniel, although I think she probably wasn't pure bred). He is definitely a retriever, but hates swimming and loves to sleep. His siblings looked totally different to him too (four labish pups and two black and white and curly pups).

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TondelayaDellaVentamiglia · 02/12/2016 10:14

yes...definitely the running away that causes the problems.

idiotcat is at least 50% dog in his mind and is not fazed by dogs at all, it's very amusing to see pups run up to him and be very put out when he just doesn't move.
His sister will and has duffed up all sorts of dogs ....up to and including a seven stone GSD, but she will also dash off in a snit, and that causes no end of bother, as the aforementioned GSD decides she wants him to chase her

Is Pooch very waggy?? I think it really helps if they are not, as the cats interpret tail wagging as bad.....both the GSDs we have are more wafty tail swishers, and the pups that were best friends with idiotcat were the much less bouncy waggy needy sorts.
it's a "Lost in translation" sort of thing I think. :o Dog is trying to be really friendly so wags tail frantically, cat is insulted!

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