Any vets about?

(33 Posts)
SnakeyMcBadass Tue 15-Apr-14 11:49:03

The spaniel got into an altercation just now over in the field with a dog that he has previously been ok with. He started it (over a fucking tennis ball) and the big, soft, black lab finished it. The spaniel has a puncture wound behind his main pad on his front right foot. It has stopped bleeding, and I've washed it out, applied antibacterial ointment and bandaged it. He is limping in quite a pronounced way. This comes just a month after he badly cut his front left pad. In fact, he's still limping a bit on that side, so maybe he'll be a bit more evened out. I am very upset, demoralised, fucked off, miserable and a million other things right now, but do you think he needs to see a vet? Or is it one of those things that just needs to heal? Please don't anyone flame me, I don't think I could take it.

CQ Tue 15-Apr-14 11:57:24

Oh you poor thing, it's so horrible when things kick off like this, regardless of whose dog started what. They are all capable of it and we can't always see it coming.

Have a cup of strong sweet tea.

I'll probably get shot down for this, but if you don't have insurance that would cover it, then I would adopt a 'wait and see' approach. IME, vets will always give antibiotics as a precaution but they are not always necessary.

Keep a close eye on the wound and surrounding area. If it starts to swell or feel hot, or if the wound starts weeping, then it is probably infected and you should take him to the vet.

Hope you are both ok and back out there soon.

Merrylegs Tue 15-Apr-14 11:57:25

I an just back from the vet with my dog who last week had a puncture wound to one of his pads. Vet prescribed anti-bs and anti-inflammatory.

He is completely fine now - not sure it was time that healed or drugs but I felt bad for him limping so wanted to make sure I'd done the best for him. Cost around £70 for drugs and consult. If it's a bite wound I would always err on side of caution and get drugs.

Also vet gave him thorough exam including flexing tendons etc, just to make sure there was no underlying damage.

SnakeyMcBadass Tue 15-Apr-14 12:17:12

Thanks for the replies. He is terrified of the car, and the vet, so I don't want to put him through the stress unless I really have to. I'm having a bit of a meltdown so will look at it again when I've calmed down. He has fear aggression, is generally a nervy boy, but also needs a lot of exercise. Balancing this is becoming a bloody nightmare. My anxiety is through the roof. I've been trying to resolve his issues for 2 years now.

Ephedra Tue 15-Apr-14 12:22:40

If you have managed to wash it out well I would just keep an eye on it if he is terrified of the vets.

Does your vets allow you to ring them to ask advice? You could do that and see what they say.

EasyToEatTiger Tue 15-Apr-14 12:49:41

You poor thing. It is soooo annoying when pads get damaged. One of ours has just had stitches in a pad and is supposed to be on bedrest ahem. If the wound is a result of a bite it may be sensible to get anti bs as dog teeth are pretty revolting. If you really can't get to the vet, feel the wound for any heat. My leg was scraped by one of our dog's teeth and the wound took months to heal and hurt for far longer than I thought normal. I didn't go and get anything for it but perhaps I should have.

Snakey - He will be ok for 24 hours. Even our Springer was, with half his pad off before we got to the emergency vet. Give yourself time to calm down. Then assess his wound.

This isn't about the wound, it's about the overall situation. Which I do think you need to figure through. It's affecting you personally. That's not right.

Perhaps time to get the behaviourist involved again. See if you can figure it through some more. You are doing your very best for the dog, I am just worried about how much it's taking out of you.

And drink gin tonic, or wine, or whatever!

Ephedra Tue 15-Apr-14 13:06:29

Snakey and EasyToEatTiger you should both join the new club I have just made up.

It's called "I can't walk my bloody dog because he has hurt his feet. Again" club.

My collie has ripped the skin off a pad and its sort of flapping around. I had plans for the day and he has ruined them!

Floralnomad Tue 15-Apr-14 13:12:10

I hope Jas feels better soon ,dare I ask if the other dog was damaged?

SnakeyMcBadass Tue 15-Apr-14 13:15:35

Other dog was covered in a lot of slobber, but no injuries. I have to find a way of walking this dog and exercising him appropriately without putting him in a situation where he reacts, and also so that other dogs are safe. He's limping quite badly. Doesn't want to put any weight on it. Bollocks.

Floralnomad Tue 15-Apr-14 13:17:46

Could you muzzle train him ?

SnakeyMcBadass Tue 15-Apr-14 13:22:03

I'll look into it. I hate the idea, but yes, it might be time sad It's harder in some ways because the poodley thing is such an easy dog. He is happy, friendly, and generally content with his lot. The spaniel is currently staring at me and holding his paw up, clearly thinking this is all my fault and would I please take it away, thanks ever so kindly <sigh>

Ephedra Tue 15-Apr-14 13:23:05

Snakey my collie is reactive to other dogs on lead and for a long time it was horrid walking him but it has gotten better. A lot better in fact. It took time and effort but is so worth it.

Also, your dog not wanting to weight bare on the injured foot doesn't mean its a bad injury. I would ring your vet and ask their advice.

Owllady Tue 15-Apr-14 13:27:11

Dogs do a good line in emotional blackmail imo wink
Don't feel bad, these things happen. You love your dogs and provide them with a good home and feed and train them. You have nothing to feel bad about x it must be a shock though!

tabulahrasa Tue 15-Apr-14 14:21:34

My dog wears a muzzle - he's fine with it, he can sniff things, lick things still and get treats...fetch isn't really do-able but he can pick up some things with it on still.

It gives me piece of mind that when he kicks off (I'd love to say if, but it is an inevitability really) he can't bite and it gives a nice clear message to other dog walkers.

He's been wearing it for about seven months and to be honest I've only needed it to actually stop a bite once, but it makes other walkers so much more aware of keeping their dogs away, which means he doesn't get the chance to react in the first place.

I love his muzzle - it makes walking him so much easier, lol.

Aked Tue 15-Apr-14 17:07:24

I would say you don't need to go straight to vet as it is a puncture wound. These generally aren't stitched. If it were larger I would say go sooner, as a wound is better stitched fresh. It is probably mostly sore and bruised, and so pain relief is probably what he needs most. Were you given anti-inflammatories for the last wound on the other leg? If yes then I'd call your vet and OK to give this again. If he has been seen quite recently they would probably be happy for you to do so, although each to their own so I can't make any promises! Other than that, so long as it is clean, then strict rest and reassess his pain levels again tomorrow. I'm not a vet by the way, I'm a VN, but HTH.

SnakeyMcBadass Tue 15-Apr-14 17:29:39

Thanks Aked. DH has taken him to the vet as he hasn't eaten anything or moved much at all. He was whining a bit which he has never done. DH has a very, erm, ambivalent relationship with the spaniel and just muttered 'We need to have a serious talk about this dog' as he left. His mood will be directly affected by the vet bill.

Aked Tue 15-Apr-14 17:36:07

Poor boy, hope he hasn't damaged himself too badly then. Or your dh's wallet!

SnakeyMcBadass Tue 15-Apr-14 19:00:40

Turns out he has three puncture wounds, the one under his pad has been glued, and one on top has been stapled sad

Floralnomad Tue 15-Apr-14 19:32:41

Poor little boy .

moosemama Tue 15-Apr-14 19:38:53

So sorry to hear this Snakey.

My pup is also in the can't walk because he's injured himself, again, club. He's skinned three of his four paws (last week so healing now) then today took a chunk out of his side in the garden and has 4 staples. hmm

Have you looked into hiring an exercise field by the hour for him at all? Lots of sighthound owners do this, as their dogs can't go off-lead where there's any chance they could leg-it. Not sure how you'd go about finding out about them in your area, but most Sighthound/Greyhound rescue groups know about them and I'm told there are sighthound groups on Facebook that may also be able to help. If you could find one, you could go a couple of times a week and give him a really good off-lead run without having to constantly scan the horizon for other dogs. (I've been there as you know and it does destroy your nerves.)

SnakeyMcBadass Tue 15-Apr-14 20:06:44

That's an idea, moose. We've just had a family meeting and decided to keep the spaniel on lead walks for the foreseeable. He loves to run, but our garden is big enough for games of fetch and if he's on lead out and about at least I can manage him more easily. I feel sad about it, like I've let him down, but being restricted has got to be better than being rehomed.

CQ Tue 15-Apr-14 20:19:19

That's a great idea, moose, I need to see if there's one near me too.

Snakey, sorry to hear of your pup's injuries. I know what you are going through. My 2 don't get off the lead at all now, they are just too unreliable. One of them also has to be muzzled since she attacked the neighbour's cat (in our garden, in her defence).

I just feel like her world has got smaller and smaller, but it's that or PTS - there's no point in trying to rehome her as the problems are just going to go with her.

In fact, I've had a long chat with my vet about the PTS scenario and while we are working through with the behaviourist she will not entertain the idea. Yet. But it does start to have an effect on the whole family - I can't let the DC's walk them, I'm paranoid about doors/gates getting left open, I am turning into a complete stress head about this dog.

Maybe we need our own thread for owners of problem dogs sad. We can compare horror stories and stress levels.

Floralnomad Tue 15-Apr-14 20:43:05

snakey ,have you considered buying an agility set for the garden for him especially if he is staying on his lead when out . It just gives you another way of wearing him out at home and your DC will be able to do it with him . CQ we had a thread about 'problem' dogs before and it upset a few people ,who took it the wrong way .

SnakeyMcBadass Tue 15-Apr-14 20:49:36

Yeah, we had the Bastard Dog Club. I was president <sigh>

Agility set might be a plan <rubs chin>

CQ Tue 15-Apr-14 20:57:41

Oooh I missed that - off to look in the archive…….

So sorry this has happened. sad Just to endorse previous posters, one of our reactive greyhounds wears a muzzle on walks (and also because he's a gannet!) - he's absolutely fine with it, can eat, drink, pant, etc. It does send a message to other dog walkers too, which can be handy.

YY to hiring/borrowing a field/enclosed space for safe offlead play. We use one of these regularly for our four greyhounds and it's actually used a lot by non pointy dogs - for instance there's a husky with no recall who uses it, and several dogs in training. It's great to have a safe open space where you can practice recall for instance without unwanted distractions. Check with your local sighthound rescue - they will know the best local spots. If you know anyone with horses, indoor schools are fabulous or securely fenced menages outdoors.

tabulahrasa Wed 16-Apr-14 00:41:47

Mine is nearly always on lead - I use a double ended lead, so he can have 6 feet if it's quiet, I also use a flexi lead and a l

tabulahrasa Wed 16-Apr-14 00:45:50

Sorry - wrong button.

And a longline depending on where I'm going.

Twice a week I drive him off to the middle of nowhere so he can walk off lead and at weekends he goes to my DP's work because it's locked up, we have the keys and no-one else is there then...it's not huge but it's big enough for fetch and some training.

Pandora452 Wed 16-Apr-14 00:46:36

Tennis courts can be another good exercise area

Sorry about Jasper Snakey sad

We have a small set of agility equipment in the garden, I got it from Zooplus. Just got the jump and tunnel up at the moment, but there's also poles and a circular jump. It was about £65/70 and is better quality than I imagined for the price (compared to 'real' agility equipment iyswim?).

At our agility club there is a reactive on lead collie. She has other issues too and was a rescue dog with an experienced and fab owner.

When it's her turn, both groups stop completely, allow her to practise, then she goes outside with her.

To me, it looks like the dog is clearly over threshold (tons of dogs, noise, small arena - it's hard for a well socialised dog to concentrate tbh), but then she does the circuits and the enjoyment and joy she clear gets from doing it make me see that it's clearly a balance the owner is willing to try to negotiate.

MY eldest spaniel loves agilty, we've just started, but it's great fun smile

FuckyNell Wed 16-Apr-14 08:05:38

grin @ "mood directly related to the vets bill"

moosemama Wed 16-Apr-14 10:01:00

My dh's mood was directly related to the vet bill ours landed us with yesterday as well. Wouldn't mind, but I used my blooming Christmas money to pay for it this time anyway. hmm

Had another thought - can you get to any beaches Snakey? We are totally landlocked here, takes hours to get to any coastline, but I used to find beaches were the best for my boy as you can see people coming a mile off. When we lived in Lancs we used to head over to Blackpool a couple of times a week and give him a really good run from the South Shore carpark, as the sea is so far out there's loads of room and you can easily avoid other dogs. We also used to go on holiday out of season once or twice a year to a place where we practically had the beach to ourselves and he'd spend 10 days or so having lots of freedom then.

My lad didn't get anywhere near as much off-lead exercise as another dog of his type would have, but he was safe, healthy, really well cared for and knew how much he was loved. The alternative was pts, which we came close to early on (he was both dog and people fear aggressive and huge) but just couldn't go through with. I used to fret that it wasn't enough at the time, but with the benefit of hindsight I can now see that it was right for him, putting him in situations that were over-threshold just caused him distress, he was never going to be able to cope with it, so we gave him the best life we could within the parameters he could handle - and he was happy. He was far happier with a good solid half an hours frisbee or ball chase in the garden with the dogs and people he loved, than he would have been with a walk in a park full of people and dogs that he was terrified of.

If I could have had a house in the country with lots of well fenced land for him to wander, that would have been perfect and I often dreamed about it (and tried to win the lottery) but we had to do what we could with the resources we had available to us at the time.

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