This Thursday 9pm on chn 5 what is in dog food. Will you be watching?

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I'm really looking forward to watching the programme as a new dog owner and a raw feeder I'm hoping the programme reflects the benifit a of raw feeding and exactly what is put in dry and wet dog food.

After researching dry dog food ingredients I'm horrified that I used to eat dog biscuits when I was little!

YoureBeingASillyBilly Sun 26-Jan-14 22:41:16

I doubt it will even mention raw feeding as there is no money to be made from that by any big companies. will probably record and watch as am interested to see who is doing the study, who is financing it and how in depth they go. I've sat down to a show where they basically picked 3 brands and rated them out of 10 for taste (they let the dogs off a lead and declared the one they ate first the highest scorer!) content and price. was bollocks really. still will watch out of curiosity.

Very true. Apparently they dropped the raw feeding of a chicken wing but have kept a small part in.

I just hope at least one dog owner watches it and looks into changing to raw.

YoureBeingASillyBilly Sun 26-Jan-14 22:54:42

I tried raw but really struggled with it due to lack of freezer and finding anything other than bone scraps from butcher without paying a lot more than I was willing to. I settled (my conscience) by feeding fish4dogs which I am really happy with. sometimes I run out (I order in bulk from the website and sometime leave it too late to re order) and when I do I feed butchers dry food. I have tried other dried foods and butchers and fish4dogs are the only ones where I cant smell his farts at all which to me suggests it agrees with his insides. there is one I got recently which he looked really good on but I cant remember the name of it. I know I got it in asda which surprised me. (not an asda brand)

yesyestisme Sun 26-Jan-14 22:56:18

I have had my dog just under a year but never heard of raw feeding. What is it?

I'm not sure about watching this because he loves his food and I don't want to see horrible things then feel bad for him!! confused

ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight Sun 26-Jan-14 22:57:18

I might watch it. I drive miles to pick up my dogs food, chudleys chunks, tried raw, he looked at me like I'd gone nuts lol

I will watch it but have already heard that us raw feeders may be disappointed. Apparently, as you say, they cut important scenes. We shall see.

yesyestisme It is as it sounds...raw food. Meat and bones. smile

yesyestisme Sun 26-Jan-14 23:29:11

Thanks fan, I thought it might be that but had to check!

Do they not get upset stomachs from raw food? I need to do some research I think!!

YoureBeingASillyBilly Sun 26-Jan-14 23:32:17

yesyes- you have to introduce raw food gradually- just like changing from one dry food to the other- you are supposed to wean them off the first one onto the second one by starting with small amounts of raw mixed with current food and gradually increasing the amount whilst decreasing amount of current food.

My experience has been quite the opposite. I came accross raw as I had terrible trouble with runs with my pup. He came on Eukanuba, always had soft poo. We tried to switch (slowly 10g at a time) to JWB but he was pooing water sad Back to Eukanuba. Tried wainrights (squitty) and then Arden Grange which was better but still often soft.

I had read about raw but also read that it is advised not to mix feed so was scared. I went for it, bought a chickrn quarter and sent him outside with it. The next day he did his first perfect poo grin. It was enough to convince me it was exactly what his digestive system was made for.

That isn't the case at all you'rebeingaSillyBilly. Raw and kibble are digested differently. Raw at about 4 hours and kibble at around 14 hours. Mix feeding can result in the raw hanging around in the gut too long which is where bacterial risk comes in.

Rawfeeding UK on facebook is a great resource for anyone interested in just learning more. They recommend a straight switch.

yesyestisme Sun 26-Jan-14 23:46:16

Thank you both for the info. I'm going to read some more about it.

Although he does good poos and is regular everyday almost to the minute grin so it could be bad to change?

That is something only you can decide! Read about and watch the programme and see what you think smile

YoureBeingASillyBilly Sun 26-Jan-14 23:53:36

admittedly it was 5 years ago that i did my research on raw feeding, then referred to as BARF although i think that has changed recently? so i guess feeding guidelines may have changed too in that time. apologies for misinformation. it was the most up to date i had grin

yesyestisme Mon 27-Jan-14 00:01:31

I will do fan!

grin at BARF

YoureBeingASillyBilly Mon 27-Jan-14 00:03:59

yep- Bones And Raw Feeding= B.A.R.F grin

Butterflylovers Mon 27-Jan-14 11:38:42

There aren’t the same kind of regulations in pet food as there are in human food.
Manufacturers get away with misleading information regarding labelling.
The chemicals, additives, flavouring, fillers are often missed out or called something else.
Are your pets thriving or surviving on the food they are given?

You will be shocked to find out what kind of meats go into a rendering plant!!!!

Hmm I will watch if I remember. ShyDog is on warrington's dried kibble at the minute. Her trumps are horrendous and but her poos aren't too bad. She loves raw bones but I am not organised nor have enough freezer space but I should consider it really.

She has a massive dry food storage box on top of my tumble drier, maybe I could swap it for a counter top freezer. grin

LavenderFox Mon 27-Jan-14 17:21:29

Lavenderhund eats Millies Wolfheart which should be top of the range dry kibble as in it actually contains mainly meat and no rubbish to bulk it up. I don't think it is bad for dogs as such to eat scraps of animals that human wouldn't eat such as skin and cartiladge etc, butbulking up dog food with soy or grain to save money certainly sounds rubbish. To be honest our dog is a walking trash can that eats just about anything, and his poos and farts have been pretty good on lower quality dry kibble as well but once you start reading up on it it is impossible to go back to the old ways.

One thing I definitely would not feed him ever again is those big 'treat' bones you buy from pet shops because it messed up his digestion several times before we worked out the connection. One night he was so bad, panting and clearly in pain I was about to take him to the emergency vet until he passed a poo very much the consistency of cement.

I can store one weeks worth of fed in one section of my freezer and I'm feeding a big dog 5.5 stone which is costing me £56 a month plus treats like liver cake and marrow bone.

I didn't mix feed I just fed kibble the evening before and thn have her minced chicken in the morning.

I also feed her eggs and oily fish a couple of times a week and I'm currently reading about the benefits of tumiric and coconut oil.

The best part is no farts grin

At the opposite end of the scale I have an 8kg terrier and get a months worth in one drawer grin i feed eggs and sardines too.

grin

I spend longer preparing dog food then I do cooking the Sunday roast! Luckily I have found a local supplier and my butcher has been helpful with the odd bones and liver, heart and kidney.

Butterflylovers Mon 27-Jan-14 19:58:02

A good large food processor helps. I just cut the meat and veg into medium sized chunks and then chuck it all in.

bakewelltartandcustard Mon 27-Jan-14 20:05:41

£56 a month is more than it costs to feed a human.

LtEveDallas Mon 27-Jan-14 20:16:45

Mutt is mix fed. When we got her she was really poorly and ended up on a strict boiled chicken and rice diet. When she was stronger we started introducing dry food (JWB or Arden Grange) and she was fine, but when we upped the dry after a few months she started getting bad again.

We went back to mixed for a few months, tried again and the same happened. So we have stuck to half and half dried and raw with a couple of bones a week.

She gets a mug of JWB and a mug of either raw chicken, mince, liver or kidney (I have to partially cook the liver and kidney as I can't cope with the mess otherwise smile). Oh and for a treat she has tuna and sweetcorn.

She's thriving (but still stinky!)

Not in this house bake and don't forget I'm feeding on weight, large dogs are expensive to feed.

A dog the size of Intheredcorners is always going to be expensive! I can feed my Border Terrier from as little as 25p a day anywhere up to about 80p a day for the expensive pre prepped stuff delivered. It is either scouting the market for bargains or the doggy version of m&s ready meals!

I prefer the satisfaction of DIY but muttley likes a ready meal!

I was already spending a fortune on dry food and baked dog bones and treats that she would demolish in seconds before I swapped over.

Now one massive bone bought for 50p lasts all day, cleans her teeth and is meaty so no smell. And did I mention she no longer farts?

CEvert Tue 28-Jan-14 09:55:12

Also interested to know when raw food manufacturers says the meat they use are human graded, what exactly does that mean?
And how does that differ from what you and I purchase from the supermarkets?

Butterflylovers Tue 28-Jan-14 11:21:00

I guess it means it is fit for human consumption but I would never taste the stuff. Also all ingredients used may not be human graded. An ingredient may start off human graded but if treated differently and in a way not fit for human consumption, it should be regarded as feed graded. I think in most cases manufacturers refer to the ingredients and not the finished product as being human graded.

I buy my dog mince from a butcher so it's the chicken we could buy for dinner but it's minced with a percentage of bone in it. I feed chicken carcass as well.

Liver and heart from the butcher plus ribs.

I wouldn't buy chicken from Asda for her because it's normally pumped full of water or other things. I do buy chicken wings for snacks and the value lamb stew packs for her though.

I then buy the rest from a garden centre that sells frozen raw food like tripe, lambs trachia, chicken feet, marrow bone etc.

Some feed whole rabits and road kill but I'm not that brave yet

CEvert Wed 29-Jan-14 05:33:16
Aquelven Wed 29-Jan-14 10:05:33

I've been reading up about raw & am interested. There's just one thing that worries me, one of my littlest ones has really bad IBS & I have to be really careful what she eats, & that's raw chicken. We're always told to cook chicken really thoroughly for ourselves because of the high risk of salmonella, yet raw chicken wings seem to be recommended.

Aquelven The most important thing to remember is that humans and dogs are not biologically the same. A dogs guts are made for a raw diet and therefore their gut transit is much shorter than ours in order to cope with this.

Whether you go raw or not it is interesting to read about. And I would recommend anyone considering it to read as it is important to get the balance right. It is really easy to get into the swing but you cannot feed anything exclusively and meet nutritional requirements. Raw requires variety.

But some dogs do have genuine intolerances to say chicken, and you can exclude that type.

I also cannot recommend rawfeeding uk on FB highly enough. They is lots of knowledge, experience and also some useful files of info.

LadyTurmoil Wed 29-Jan-14 11:12:20

Second fans <waves hello> I fed my foster dog for 2 months on raw and she loved it! Don't be put off by thinking you'll need to have lots of time for preparation/freezers etc - you don't unless you want to order huge amounts online. Otherwise, a small freezer drawer is enough for about 10 days of food (depending on size of dog's meal, of course).

The rawfeeding FB group are great, non-judgemental, very patient with newbies, lots of info available about prices, suppliers, what to feed, when to feed, everything you could wish for!

Even better if you have a small dog...I can get a months worth in a drawer grin <waves back at LadyT>

Pleased to see I'm not the only raw feeder here and also recommend raw feeding uk on FB. Lots of pictures of poos though, we are all poo obsessed.

When I first got my pup I could half fill a carrier bag in a day with smelly slop now it's only a few firm poos with no smell so another bonus.

CEvert Wed 29-Jan-14 16:55:47

No more falling apart when you pick it up!!!!
Local pet food shop started stocking nutriment, natural instincts and nature's menu.... so lots of choice for when I am too busy to prepare my own.

Nowt like FB pics of poo and sheeps heads when you are scrolling down your newsfeed on your lunchbreaks wink

My FB feed is a little more exciting now I'm signed up to raw feed uk and extreme raw.

Minced chicken, liver, 2 whole sardines and a carrot for dinner with a rib for afters.

I personally had pasta because it's not payday till Friday grin

Ha ha! I Always joke the dog is better fed than us. Mine has had minced duck and offal and beef today. Might give him an egg too if he's snouting round later.

We had pasta too grin

LadyTurmoil Wed 29-Jan-14 22:35:02

Yes! Was laughing at poo discussion on today's feed and amazed at the sheep's and pig's heads a week or so ago. Hadn't really thought about going that far with raw feeding - scary for the neighbours perhaps!

redcorner seems like there are a lot of dogs on that group who are better fed than the humans...

Is it bad that I put more thought and effort into the dogs meal plan than our own?

That reminds me, I must go and inspect pick up poo before it gets too dark.

Anyone else watching?

LottieJenkins Thu 30-Jan-14 21:38:34

My boys eat Skinners. It is made in the village next to wear I live and my friend works there so I get a discount too!

LostInWales Thu 30-Jan-14 21:43:51

I'm watching, actually seems quite well done. I'm a bit shocked by that (I feed my whippets raw when I can but otherwise am very finikity about the percentages of proper stuff in their other food, no colours, sugars, proper percentage of meat for my breed of dog etc).

LostInWales Thu 30-Jan-14 21:44:46

Although I would LOVE to know what is in a vegan hot dog sausage, that must be full of crap surely?

Butterflylovers Thu 30-Jan-14 22:11:15

Wasn't that impressed with the programme. I was expecting some kind of big independent research showing whether dogs on certain diets have less health problems and live longer. It didn't tell us what we don't know already. Like what's been said in the show, people on average are only willing to spend up to x amount per day on dog food, feeding raw or fresh is more expensive and would cut into the margin of the big brands..... So there is no incentive for them to go down that route until there is overwhelming evidence to support the benefits of raw diet. Until then they will milk it by making us believe their food is the best. For me I will continue to feed raw and fresh diet.

I was very disappointed. It didn't really go into the real ingredients of dog food, skipped around E numbers, sugar and preservatives without telling the true story.

Showed a positive in raw feeding at first in my eye but then finished with negatives, disease through the fur and risk to children....

Raw is cheaper and I have never brushed a dogs nashers, raw or dry fed!

YoureBeingASillyBilly Thu 30-Jan-14 22:43:21

Im just watching the start of this now. I am confused, i thought it was known now that dogs arent descended from wolves?

It's all about the stomach acid and the way food is digested.

I thought it was very er ....Channel 5 wink. A basic nod at what could have been interesting with very little content and utterly shied away from tackling just how appalling foods like Bakers are. I don't expect it too slate kibbe, clearly it suits some dogs but there are variations.

Still it could have been worse <wanders off to prepare for the next round of salmonella ds will contract from all the raw chicken wink>

getdownshep Fri 31-Jan-14 11:11:59

I would like to try this on my dogs but have a few questions first.
The first week I just give them chicken mince, 60g, twice a day as they are small dogs. In week two do I just give them two 60g chicken legs!
Sorry if I'm being dense, maths is not my strong point and there seems to be a lot of percentages to work out.

Chicken legs/wings twice a day would be too much bone for most dogs getdownshep The idea is start with chicken for the first couple of weeks and then introduce other meats. Don't get too hung up on percentages to the point where you are going nuts but use it at a common sense start.

You are looking for a diet that is 80% meat/10% bone and 10% offal (leave offal till later on)

A small chicken wing may weigh 80g and be around 50% bone. Feeding a small dog I would give a boneless meal either side. Maybe give chicken mince for a week and then in week 2, try another meat source...maybe green tripe as very good for them and boneless. You could then feed tripe/wing/tripe. Again, i wouldn't worry too much about weight either...for instance it wouldn't worry me too much to give a wing of 90g. Don't forgot the percentage advice to feed is a guide only...some need a little more, some a little less. Play it by ear (or more like eye!)

Go slowly at first but when under way variety in key...I regularly feed chicken, beef, lamb, pork, duck, tripe, heart, offal, sardines and eggs.

If you haven't already join the FB page raw feeding UK. Great and plentiful advice in there and lots of newbies asking questions at the minute after last night so it is a good time to leap in.

CEvert Fri 31-Jan-14 12:27:44

Yes, I do think that most people have a ceiling amount that they are willing or able to spend on dogfood.
Nice fresh meats do cost more than the cheap ingredients in most commercial dog food, so it's not in the big brands interest to find out if raw diet is more beneficial.

getdownshep Fri 31-Jan-14 14:07:20

Thanksfan for the good advice.
I have joined the raw food group so will keep reading what other people have asked!
I have a butchers near me so I will go and see what they sell.

"we are all poo obsessed"
Me too! I feed my dog raw and I take great delight when his poos bounce or roll rather than slop out grin

I'm a fan of raw feeding but it's not always easy. My local butchers never have bones for example, and I've had to buy a small chest freezer just for the dog meat (he's a large dog)! But I have the meat delivered in bulk by Albion Meat Products which is convenient, and I'm happier feeling more in control of my dog's diet than when feeding dry.

We now use a dustpan and brush to sweep them up, can't imagine doing that before grin

Thanks for the link I will take a look. I'm buying for a local nurserie at the minute and I also buy from www.davidsdoggiedinners.co.uk

My butcher has offered to get a pluck for me, I hope he offers to chop it up!

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