New Puppy Mommies in here *blerk*

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Awks Tue 13-Aug-13 16:34:17

Got our new puppy on Saturday. I was in tears this morning and I'm a pretty experienced dog owner. Its just so hard moaning cow that I am He is a 9 week old cocker and is a beautiful, cuddly boy but is a massive shitting machine. And not in the garden either.

So any new puppy owners want to weep in here then please do.

Aw, sympathies. I have a 2 year old cocker/springer cross that regularly brings me to my knees. Good job he's lovable <eye roll>. My puppy is 5 months now, and a totally different type of dog. He is a breeze. We barely notice we have him, tbh. Whereas the spaniel is a neurotic, angst ridden Duracell bunny, the cockapoo pup is a playful, chilled out dude. Things that helped with the spaniel when he was younger: teaching him to play fetch, crate training, hiding his food in boxes, scattering his food in the garden, clicker training little and often. Basically, wearing them out mentally is the trick. Toilet training took a while with the spaniel, too, so just persevere. He was reliably clean by about 6 months. The cockapoo pup is still having the odd accident, but they are few and far between.

Awks Tue 13-Aug-13 17:18:49

This pup seems quite chilled but you cant tell till they get a bit older, can you? it's the shitting that's a pain plus the fact he's howled for the last 2 nights. We've never let our dogs upstairs and always done the crate/door open thing overnight. I'd just forgotten the annoying bits really. He's gorgeous though.

I don't get the crate training thing though. Online it says that they should be in their crate all the time you arent actually feeding or playing with them, the schedule I read was like out for half hour, garden for 15 mins then back in it for 2 hours, repeated 3 times a day. That sounds horrible.

SallyBear Tue 13-Aug-13 17:30:08

We are getting our new puppy in 10 days (eeek!) time. The breeder said that they barely mess in there cage, and as soon as she plonks them on the grass they poo/wee so that's comforting.
I thought about crate training, but to be honest my kitchen isn't big enough to have a crate in there. So I've decided on a puppy pen, plastic bed with old baby sheets in it until he's bigger. It's been 14 years since we last had a pup, and the advice is very different now. I've bought puppy pads to encourage him towards the door, some toys and chewy things. I left a blanket with the breeder to put in with the litter so that hopefully it will help settle him in with us a bit better. We've been visiting him weekly, and he seems to remember us which is nice.

When the pup(s) were crated, they were fed in it, had their beds in it but were only shut in if I couldn't supervise them. So, night time and if I had to pop out. I always left them with a kong or chew to keep them occupied. Now that the pup is not in danger of being eaten by the spaniel, he isn't shut in at all. He chooses to sleep in the crate sometimes, but we'll probably remove the crate for good once he's been neutered.

Awks Tue 13-Aug-13 18:00:04

Sally it's exciting - we picked ours up on Saturday on the way home from holiday - I'd set everything up before we went. We brought him home and he seemed to settle well, went in the crate to sleep and didnt make a sound all night. I thought I was super doggy mother. Sunday night he shat a million times on the dining room carpet and howled. All. Night. Bet you can't wait and have read the Perfect Puppy book 14 times grin

He's been good today though, has wee'd on the lawn every time I've told him to. His crap is quite loose though so will keep an eye on it. The vet said not to worry it could be the wormer or the 1st jab.

Chickens that's my plan with the crate too. I've shut him in it this morning while I took dd2 to the orthodontist and he wasn't howling when I came home so that was good. He's trying to eat my foot at the mo though!

SallyBear Tue 13-Aug-13 18:39:32

Yes all very excited to get him next week. We have wood floors downstairs apart from DH's office which is carpeted. I'm going to take up any rugs to make accidents easier to spot. We have an offer of a crate but I'm still unsure as we didn't crate for SallyBear. Toby will benefit from the fact that I'm home all day, so hoping that we will get him house trained fairly quickly.

I'm pondering diet - what are you ladies feeding your puppies and how are you finding it?

Awks Tue 13-Aug-13 20:52:40

Hi ours are wooden too apart from the dining room, which is where he unfortunately likes to crap. Outside our kitchen we have a terrace which is covered in tiny stones but he likes to crap round the side which is grass so I do think a nice surface underfoot is important to puppies.

We're feeding Burgess sensitive as it seems to have decent ingredients and it's a local company and I am tragic like that.

Have you bought a Kong yet grin #wholenewworld

everlong Tue 13-Aug-13 21:02:08

We got our 8 week old Italian Spinone on Friday ( already have 10 year old cocker ) he's gorgeous and so far being good <crosses everything> he's different totally to the cocker who was/is quite neurotic.

He has already learned come and sit and ' be quick ' .

Wrt to the crate training, they are good and do help to train a puppy but they aren't there for the puppy to be in for long periods of time.

Enzo sleeps in it from 11.30 till 7 with a wee in the night outside, he then goes in if I've popped to the shops or doing something upstairs and can't watch him.

I would shut the crate door though. He won't poo in his crate. You might have to get up in the night to let him out but it won't be for long.

SallyBear Tue 13-Aug-13 21:02:57

Yes I have a kong and an antler piece. The antler is for after his baby teeth have dropped out.

Just started watching The secret life of dogs on itv. Sniff!!!!!

Awks Tue 13-Aug-13 22:06:35

I saw the antler things today and thought wtaf grin

They can teach a dog to diagnose cancer and I can't teach mine not to shit on the floor. Excellent.

SallyBear Tue 13-Aug-13 22:10:57

Puppy pads apparently work well. I will find that out next week!

MissMummy1 Tue 13-Aug-13 22:18:54

Can I join?! I am picking up my new springador puppy (Aulay) in a week's time!!

I already have a 6 year old fox terrier/border collie cross but seem to have managed to blot out most of the bad bits of puppy hood. confused

Chippychop Tue 13-Aug-13 22:25:43

And me.. Black lab arriving on sat... Feeling nervous and a bit housebound in the summer hols!

Awks Tue 13-Aug-13 22:29:12

Hey all welcome. I thought it would be a breeze as we've always had dogs but I was in tears this morning and hysterically accusing dh of not supporting me. What an idiot.

What do puppy pads do that newspaper doesnt, Sally?
MM1 Aulay's a lovely name - we called ours Jarvis yes...yes, I know
CC how exciting, what's it's name?

Awks Tue 13-Aug-13 22:29:28

ooops its'

Awks You're not filling me with confidence - we pick up our 8 week old cocker on Thursday; unfortunately appalling bad timing means we're in the middle of having a new kitchen fitted so I'm on the edge as it is...

It will be ok, won't it?? <gibber>

MissMummy1 Tue 13-Aug-13 22:38:23

Thanks so much Awks

When we went to see him at 5 weeks (note: we were only going to look, not buy.... wink ) the breeder was using puppy pads and he waddled straight from his crate over to the pads at the door, and then out onto the grass. I expect to kick myself for being so laid back about toilet training in a few weeks time!!

We will be using a crate as he will be sleeping in the garage - it is attached to the kitchen and has underfloor heating, so essentially the warmest room in the house! He will have his crate in there as 'his space' overnight and during the day if we are out. I am lucky enough to work from home though so he will rarely be left.

Eventually he will be a part-time gun dog with my DP.

everlong Tue 13-Aug-13 22:44:56

I wouldn't bother with the puppy pads. I think it confuses a tiny puppy when learning to housetrain.

It's possible to train then to go outside quite quickly you just have to be on the ball.

moosemama Tue 13-Aug-13 22:55:10


We picked up our 10 week old rescue lurcher pup last Friday (pics on profile).

He's very underweight, so currently on between 6 and 8 meals a day, depending how many we can squeeze in (he has a knack of sleeping through at least one mealtime a day). The inevitable result is that he is pretty much either eating or pooing at the moment and his poos are not at all nice, so I feel your pain.

The first day we brought him home we put down puppy pads, as his foster mum had used them and he managed all but one 'toilet' on them. We laid one in front of his crate (in case he couldn't hold it when first waking) and one by the doorway of the room his crate is in, plus one just inside the back door.

Second day we removed the ones near his crate and just left the ones by the doorways and since then he's just had the one by the back door.

We've found the best thing to do is spend as much time outside with him as possible, making sure we have a clicker and lots of treats with us and make a huge fuss of him when he happens to 'go' out there. Seems to be working, because other than when dh arrived home from work this evening and pup got over-excited and forgot himself, we haven't had any indoor toiletting at all today, either on pads or the floor.

We are keeping the back door open at the moment, but make sure that someone is always with him and that we take him straight outside if he so much as sniffs the floor, as well as after naps, food, drinks of water and 'mad half hour' play sessions. It's time consuming, I'm getting very little else done and frankly, I'm completely knackered, but I think it's well worth the investment in time and energy, as every positive reinforcement he gets for going outside, drastically increases the likelihood that he'll repeat it and quickly learn that going inside is totally non-rewarding compared to going outside.

As for the crate. Our pup is in his overnight, but still gets up at 2/2.30 ish and again at 6.00 ish for a wee and needs some reassurance around 3 and 4 o'clock. I am currently sleeping on the sofa so that he doesn't disturb the rest of the family and we have gradually moved his crate from alongside the sofa next to me, to the other side of the room to the kitchen since last Friday, to get him gradually used to being alone. He now wakes and whinges a bit about 3 and 4, but goes back to sleep if I shush him and say 'settle'.

During the day I leave the door open and he goes in and out of it whenever he likes, plus I pop him in there if he starts to look sleepy and close the door while he's asleep so I can get some jobs done (like feeding the dcs! wink). I also pop him in there if I can't watch him, eg when I go to the bathroom and when the dcs are eating, because, being a lurcher, he can already stretch his paws up to the edge of the table and is verrry interested in their dinner. hmm He definitely sees it as his safe place, as he takes himself in there if he is tired or a bit unsure of something, like when a helicopter flew over the garden yesterday.

Finally, it's very early days. Going to a new home is very stressful and can affect some pups much more than others. Often this shows itself up through upset tums etc. Also, the food he's on might be having an impact. If it's one that has a lot of fillers etc in there will be more waste, than if he was on a natural diet or high-end, grain free kibble. Depending what food he's on, you might want to think about slowly transitioning him onto a food that will result in less waste products.

moosemama Tue 13-Aug-13 23:03:42

Puppy pads have their place. They are supposedly impregnated with a scent that encourages the pup to that spot, rather than going on your floor.

They should only really be used as a back-up to proper, intensive house training, as a means of protecting your floors and making it easier to clean up.

So, pup goes on the pad, say nothing, remove and replace pad. Pup goes outside, shove super tasty treats down his neck straight away with profuse praise. Going inside = no reward, whereas going outside = powerful positive reinforcement.

Oh and Awks, you are not alone. I was vile with my family yesterday and felt tearful because I was so tired. I also had a go at dh for not doing more to help. blush Often people don't realise that proper puppy raising is a bit like having a baby, but without the hormones. (Except babies don't wander all over the place, making you walk well in excess of the recommended 10,000 steps a day whilst waiting for them to hint they might need to toilet so you can whisk them outside and tell them how clever they are. Imagine if babies were born that mobile! shock <<hair stands on end at the very thought>>)

littlewhitebag Tue 13-Aug-13 23:46:51

Ear plugs were my friend when we got our pup!

topbannana Wed 14-Aug-13 07:38:49

Morning all smile
I technically should not be here as the LandShark is nearly 6 months now but wanted to offer you some words of comfort.....
I had not had a proper indoor puppy for 12 years
I thought I knew all about puppies
It was horrendous grin
Now though I have almost blanked it out of my mind forgotten. We went to see the breeder last weekend as DH was doing a job for them and they have another litter of 8 week olds there. While I did not dive outside to play with them (unlike DH hmm) the sight of them did not send me screaming for the hills. I can see us having another pup at some point now whereas at 2 months I was adamant that I would never even entertain the idea grin
It will get better and surprisingly quickly too smile

SallyBear Wed 14-Aug-13 07:51:17

Topbanana, I know that I'm in for a shock, as I'm dreading the combination of messing in the house and small children. confused

lainiekazan Wed 14-Aug-13 08:04:43

I gave up on puppy pads after half an hour when the dog ate two! I spent a week with my eyes literally glued to him. I was exhausted, but it paid off because he had one accident and since then (3 months - he is 5 months now) he has never put a paw wrong. I took him outside every 20 minutes, after every drink, after every meal, and went wild with appreciation every time he performed.

(still struggling with just about everything else though!)

moosemama Wed 14-Aug-13 08:48:24

Well, moving him into the kitchen was an unmitigated disaster.

It started off well, he went outside with me, wee'd and poo'ed, then actually took himself off to bed and went straight to sleep. Then 45 minutes later Lurcherboy decided, if I was going to be on the sofa, he may as well come in the living room with me. I told him to go back to bed and he woke pup up scrabbling in his basket - cue serious wailing. hmm

He just wouldn't settle and ended up full on howling (I'm a tad sensitive about this, having just done intensive behavioural work to stop Lurcherboy howling when we're out) and gnashing the bars of the crate. At this point dh came downstairs and I burst into tears again. I was just soooo tired. I wanted to let him out to check if he perhaps needed another wee, but couldn't get a long enough break in the screaming to reward him by opening the door. hmm

Dh helpfully pointed out that we went through the same, but worse, with Oldgirl when she arrived. I have long-term memory problems and hasd actually forgotten this fact). With Oldgirl we ended up having her crated in our room and moving her a foot at a time across the bedroom, then the landing until we moved her downstairs and she screamed the blooming place down all over again, but thankfully settled more quickly. BUT Oldgirl was an emergency rescue and came to us at 6 weeks old, so a lot younger than Pup who is 10 weeks and generally more independent.

While dh was trying to persuade me to take a painkiller (I have a chronic pain condition) and go upstairs to bed, pup eventually stopped screaming and fell asleep. Dh decided to give in, got up out of the rocking chair to go and woke him up again. hmm So, I gave up and decided to move the crate back into the living room. <<sigh>> Took him out for a wee, which he did on cue, then he got back in his crate, settled down and went to sleep quite happily.

Dh won the argument and sent me to bed and he stayed on the sofa. Apparently, pup woke at 2.30 (previous kerfuffle was from 12.45 to 1.30) had a whinge, dh said 'go back to sleep' and he did. hmm Then he slept till 6.20 am.

So, I will put the crate back in the kitchen during the day today and work on rewarding him for being in there and being quiet, building up the time I'm out of the room.

Think I'm feeling under pressure because my neighbours are away at the moment. They were so lovely about Lurcherboy's separation anxiety and I feel like exposing them to a screaming pup would definitely be taking the proverbial p, so ideally I'd like him to be settling by the time they get back. I think I need to just try and forget this for the moment though and concentrate on making sure he feels secure.

moosemama Wed 14-Aug-13 08:51:27

Forgot to say - little darling has now been asleep in his crate since 7.30 am. hmm

MissMummy1 Wed 14-Aug-13 09:08:07

Sallybear how old are your dc?

My dd is only 9 months (yes we are slightly mental) and although we had agreed to wait a year before looking again for a dog, the perfect pup came up now.

On the plus side, DD is not quite mobile yet and we are VERY used to sleepless nights and our house being trashed. wink

SallyBear Wed 14-Aug-13 09:15:17

It's my youngest. He is 6 but has autism and is non verbal. I need to be particularly vigilant as he drops food everywhere. I've also made a decision that raisins will now only be in his school lunchbox as I've seen a few press reports about raisins and grapes being poisonous for dogs as it can cause renal problems. He eats a lot of raisins. shock

EmpressOfTheSevenOceans Wed 14-Aug-13 09:19:39

We got Maggi, Yorkie / poodle cross, at the end of June (she's 4.5 months now). Seeing how much she loved playing with other dogs and thinking it would be good for her to grow up with a friend, we got Thor (also Yorkie / poodle, 11 weeks) yesterday.

After a lot of barking and tussling they end up sharing each other's kibble and Thor then fell asleep - at which point Maggi had to be restrained from poking him to wake him back up. They ended up falling asleep on their new cushion together and both even slept through (in separate rooms, though we want them in together eventually) which was a definite bonus.

When she got back from her walk this morning, Thor had just been brought downstairs in his crate and she was desperate to get in there and drag him out to play. Reminds me of DSIL's toddler when she brought the new baby home grin.

SallyBear Wed 14-Aug-13 09:20:28

Moose! ((Hugs)) poor baby. He will get it eventually. SallyBear howled a bit to start with and then discovered what a comfy pillow Monty was so abandoned her bed and slept with him. They shared a bed for four years. smile

moosemama Wed 14-Aug-13 09:22:07

OK, just googled,which is embarrassing in itself given this is dog number 7 and you think I'd know what to do by now. blush

Feeling a little better, as it seems most pups tend to stop the nighttime serenade by around two weeks. I can cope better if I know it's not going to go on for months.

I feel like such an idiot, because dh went on and on about this before we got pup, but I really had forgotten about night waking. For some reason I can remember our second dog and that she woke once every night to go out for a week. I can remember clear as day standing in the garden in my pjs in the cold, ignoring her invitations to play while she steadfastly refused to wee. I thought that must have been what it was like with all of them, darn my hopeless holey memory. blush I hate it when dh is right! grin

SallyBear Wed 14-Aug-13 09:28:57

Don't worry Moose I will be back here in two Mondays time saying much the same thing. Toby won't stop crying!!!

MissMummy1 Wed 14-Aug-13 09:33:00

Have any of you tried leaving a radio on for them overnight? I seem to recall this curing our older dog's night howls almost instantly..

Crannog Wed 14-Aug-13 19:14:40

Hi can I join please?
We got our pup on Saturday. She is 14 weeks old but her previous owners didn't want her anymore.
We are create training her which is going quite well. I feel a bit guilty about having to put her in when I can't supervise but I know it's for the best and she'll go in less and less as she becomes house trained.
I think her previous owners must have scolded her for doing the toilet because she is so nervous. She wants to do it on my living room carpet or she tries to break into the neighbours garden or she holds it like mad.

I must admit that despite being desperate for a dog and doing months on research I found myself thinking Oh my god why did I do this?
I feel better today as I've been so vigilant so it's been accident free so far.
I'm so tired!

moosemama Wed 14-Aug-13 21:48:39

Crannog, that's so sad that she's scared of toiletting. Poor thing. sad

We've had a better day today too.

Vet gave us some probiotic paste and recommended we put him on chicken and white fish only for a few days and he's completely stopped the explosive pooing episodes and seems a lot more comfortable and relaxed.

Also managed to get out and about to a lovely outdoor cafe for some socialisation and he loved it. (Discovered I can eat carrot cake whilst holding a half vaccinated pup on my lap and a large Lurcher's lead in the other hand - quite a skill if I do say so myself! grin)

Have realised I was getting a touch of cabin fever having only left the house to go around the block and to the local park for short periods carrying pup for socialisation and that plus lack of sleep had made me completely lose perspective. Feeling a lot more in control now.

Can't believe I hadn't twigged that he was conking out when the dses went to bed at 8.00. He's really tired tonight after his exciting cafe trip, but we've been mean and kept him up playing and dh has taken him for a late carry round the block as well, so we're hoping for a better night.

Crannog Wed 14-Aug-13 22:20:32

A late night carry around the block makes me grin
I've just come up to bed and she's been accident free all day. She even did a pee in the rain on her last walk of the day. It wasn't quick but it was an improvement. DH is in charge for the last 40 mins. Fingers crossed.

sweetkitty Wed 14-Aug-13 22:31:50

Just scaring myself reading this, we are getting our ridgeback puppy in 4 weeks so going to hang out in here for tips.grin

moosemama Wed 14-Aug-13 22:44:50

Yay - go Crannog pup! We are also accident free today, but I don't think I can take credit, as he's been watching Lurcherboy very closely and loves to copy everything he does.

Pup discovered rain at the weekend. It was very funny. It was just spotting and he kept turning round, looking at his back end, then looking at me really accusingly. Then he started to notice the spots appearing on the patio. First he tried to run away, then he remembered how brave he is and decided to try and pounce on every single one instead. grin

My dh crashed at 9.30, but that's ok given he was on the puppy shift last night and it's pretty full on for him at work at the moment.

I managed to keep pup awake up until five minutes ago, when not even his favourite tuggy toy being dramatically wiggled around the living room could persuade him out of his crate. His little head just got droopier and droopier and that was it - lights out!

Speaking of which, I'd better go to bed myself now.

sweetkitty, don't fret. I'm convinced I am just a lightweight. I'm sure it will go much more smoothly for you. I have only had one other dog that did this out of 7 - all but one being rescues, so you're in with a good chance.

Right really am off to bed now.

Awks Thu 15-Aug-13 09:14:06

Morning all, there's loads of us with new pups so we can all gibber support one another which will be great for me anyway.

So, we are now on day 6 with Jarvis and it's getting better. Last night he went to sleep in his crate at midnight and cried at 3 am so we both got up and let him out for a wee. Put him back in his crate and he howled so dh went back down and tried to settle him but he howled again as soon as he left. He went down again after about 10 mins as we felt so sorry for him and told him to shut up and it was like a switch, he shut up grin . We got up at 7am, let him out and he wee'd and poohed in the garden like a regular Perfect Puppy. Bet it was a fluke but who cares.

His poohs are soft though not hard but he's eating, drinking, playing and doing everything he should so I will give it another day or so as vacs and worming can make their tummies a bit like that.

I'm like you lainie, take him out to wee every 20 mins and practically prostrate myself with excitement when he performs! Bloody hard work it is though.

Can't wait till I can take him for a walk I'll be so proud.

Bet you all can't wait for your new ones,

Awks Thu 15-Aug-13 09:18:14

Shall we do a list of our puppies? name, breed, how old when we got them and date we got them? I'll start then everyone can C & P and add yours

Awks: Jarvis, Cocker Spaniel, 9 weeks and 11 Aug 2013

everlong Thu 15-Aug-13 09:22:01

Ah you're getting there awks. It is tiring. All that watching for weeing, stopping them nipping at ankles, stopping them jumping up.

I feel like I've all I've said for the last week is ' no biting - nooo get down - goood boy - get out of there '

Chaotic hour first thing when DH was making breakfast, I was ironing his shirt, dogs waiting for their food etc puppy weed on the floor I didn't notice and ds stepped in it, then puppy ran off with kitchen roll.

All before 8am.

He's snoozing in his crate now while I gather myself.

Awks Thu 15-Aug-13 09:22:48

Crannog your poor little pup, how horrible for her. With lots of reassurance and no telling off I'm sure she will soon relax and it's brilliant progress you've made so far. Moosemama you sound like you have them both under control - we start at the socialisation classes our vets run on Monday, I'm looking forward to it and am sweetkitty am sure you will be fine too - I am by nature a flapper!

everlong Thu 15-Aug-13 09:24:07

Everlong - Enzo, Italian Spinone, 9 weeks, brought home 9/8/13

moosemama Thu 15-Aug-13 09:27:43

We brought Pup home last Friday, but didn't get home till 10.30 after leaving our holiday home in Ireland at 6.00 am and we all just collapsed - meaning Saturday is really day one for us I suppose.

Glad things are starting to get better for you with Jarvis, Awks.

We had a better night. He collapsed to sleep at 10.45, after I cruelly kept playing with him and dh took him for a carry around the block. We had a couple of squeaks, but he settled straight away and then he slept till 5.00 am! shock I feel almost human this morning. Dh got up at 6.00 and I went up to bed till 8.00 am, so I've actually had some decent stretches of sleep.

Finally got a poo sample for the vet this morning, after a whole day with none at all - and it was totally normal and healthy looking - phew!

moosemama Thu 15-Aug-13 09:28:43

Eurk ... cross posted with everyone whilst retrieving slipper from errant puppy! grin

Hang on.

moosemama Thu 15-Aug-13 09:29:49

Awks: Jarvis, Cocker Spaniel, 9 weeks and 11 Aug 2013
Everlong - Enzo, Italian Spinone, 9 weeks, brought home 9/8/13
Moosemama - Pip, Rescue Lurcher 10 weeks, 9/10 August 2013

Well, today's the day! Going to pick my puppy up at 5pm - unfortunately after reading this thread my excitement is rapidly turning to terror wink

Awks: Jarvis, Cocker Spaniel, 9 weeks and 11 Aug 2013
Everlong - Enzo, Italian Spinone, 9 weeks, brought home 9/8/13
Moosemama - Pip, Rescue Lurcher 10 weeks, 9/10 August 2013
TooManyButtons - Stanley, Cocker Spaniel, 8 weeks, 15 August 2013

moosemama Thu 15-Aug-13 09:40:24

Awks, I feel like I'm not doing enough socialisation compared to my previous pups, as they were all pre-dcs and getting everyone organised and out of the house every day whilst carrying Pip feels like a mammoth task.

Vets have delayed Pip's second vax until they're sure he's 100%, meaning he can't go down when we're out until the first week in September, which is the week he's due to start Puppy Classes. Just to make things easier, first class is first thing in the morning, right in the middle of Ds1 starting secondary, including travelling on LEA transport for an hour every morning for the first time ever, dd starting Reception and ds2 going back to Y5 - all three on three consecutive days. Think I will be a basket case by the end of that week.

I don't feel like I have anything under control at the moment and am particularly stressed about the yelling and screaming whenever I'm out of sight after all the work I've done recently to get Lurcherboy past his Separation Anxiety. Fortunately, the neighbours are away for another week and a half, so that has helped a bit, but I'm very aware that I'm still sleeping on the sofa with him in the lounge at the moment.

This morning he's decided to yell even if I'm just the other side of the dog gate and he's not in his crate and he redoubles his efforts if I dare to step out of his line of sight. It reminds me of when you're trying to put a baby down and every time you dare to move they spring awake. So frustrating.

Going to try and find some time to get onto it with clicker training today, as he seems to respond really well to the clicker.

<<whispers>> ... he's finally asleep.

Awks Thu 15-Aug-13 09:45:37

Everlong I was like that yesterday, I was wiping up his pooh and he ran off with a bit of poohy ktchen roll wiping it all over himself and the floor.
TMB that is so exciting and Stanley is too cute a name. Moose that's brilliant - your night sounds so much better and long may it continue.

moosemama Thu 15-Aug-13 09:51:11

TooManyButtons, I love the name Stanley, one of my favourite ever dogs was called Stanley, Stan for short.

Awks, it was better, but only because we did so much yesterday and I am still sleeping on the sofa with his crate on the other side of the lounge. I was pleased with it first thing, until he started screaming when he was just a step away from me the other side of the dog gate. hmm

MissMummy1 Thu 15-Aug-13 10:46:25

Awks - Jarvis, Cocker Spaniel, 9 weeks and 11 Aug 2013
Everlong - Enzo, Italian Spinone, 9 weeks, brought home 9/8/13
Moosemama - Pip, Rescue Lurcher 10 weeks, 9/10 August 2013
TooManyButtons - Stanley, Cocker Spaniel, 8 weeks, 15 August 2013
MissMummy1 - Aulay, Spanador, 8 weeks, coming home 20th August 2013!

I have just ordered his puppy collar and lead and treating myself to a wee trip to PAH later!

What food are you all on? Aulay dog's breeder is feeding them Purina Beta puppy dry mix. A vet friend recommends Wagg (amazingly) when they're older so not sure whether or not to wean him onto wagg puppy or stick with the purina beta for the meantime?

CogDat Thu 15-Aug-13 10:50:53

Oh hello! Can I join too? We have Ushi the sprocker, brought home 2 August when she was 9 weeks. I am finding it very hard work, I have only had adult rescues before, this is all new to me! Never again I have to say, cute though she is!

CogDat Thu 15-Aug-13 10:56:44

We are feeding the Purina which came with her from the breeder, but we are going to change to Eden multi-meat and fish. It seems like it has decent ingredients.

SallyBear Thu 15-Aug-13 13:20:49

Awks - Jarvis, Cocker Spaniel, 9 weeks and 11 Aug 2013
Everlong - Enzo, Italian Spinone, 9 weeks, brought home 9/8/13
Moosemama - Pip, Rescue Lurcher 10 weeks, 9/10 August 2013
TooManyButtons - Stanley, Cocker Spaniel, 8 weeks, 15 August 2013
MissMummy1 - Aulay, Spanador, 8 weeks, coming home 20th August 2013!
SallyBear - Toby, foxy coloured yello Labrador, 8 weeks coming home on 23rd August!

SallyBear Thu 15-Aug-13 13:26:58

Toby is coming home next week, and right now its probably the best incentive for my daughter as she's in GOSH having surgery on her jaw right now. We are all looking forward to his arrival.

I am still undecided by a crate (borrowing one), but we have a hard plastic bed, lots of baby sheets to put in it until he's stopped wrecking it. Also borrowing a puppy pen to put him in. I've looked at a puppy socialisation class and I will be taking him to that in September once he's had all his jabs.

The breeder has him on Burns Puppy, and I will keep him on that until I decide whether to swap him over to the Eden feed as it looks very good. Heard though (through another thread)that the amounts are smaller as its protein based and poor are loose. Not going to be tire down the BARF route. I have four kids who are all individually demanding, so Toby-Obi-Wan-Kenobi will have to adjust to us as we will have to adjust to him. smile

SallyBear Thu 15-Aug-13 13:28:20

And obviously I can't spell yellow! Who ever next adds their pooch to the list, please correct my typo!!! Thanks!

Awks Thu 15-Aug-13 13:45:08

Awks - Jarvis, Cocker Spaniel, 9 weeks and 11 Aug 2013
Everlong - Enzo, Italian Spinone, 9 weeks, brought home 9/8/13
Moosemama - Pip, Rescue Lurcher 10 weeks, 9/10 August 2013
TooManyButtons - Stanley, Cocker Spaniel, 8 weeks, 15 August 2013
MissMummy1 - Aulay, Spanador, 8 weeks, coming home 20th August 2013!
SallyBear - Toby, foxy coloured yellow Labrador, 8 weeks coming home on 23rd August
Cogdat - Ushi, Sprocker, 9 weeks, 2 August 2013

You guys are bringing back memories, our Springer is nearly 10 months. It gets loads easier promise, but I am not at the stage yet where the memories are so distant that I want to do it again smile

Awks Thu 15-Aug-13 13:53:49

My first dog was a pup then we had another spaniel who came to us at 13 months. I'd actually forgotten how hard a puppy is. Just like a baby - your heart is in your mouth every minute of the day and I simply can't relax. I know it will get easier much quicker than babies though but as I was the one who truly wanted another dog, I feel obliged to shoulder most of the load.

Even having half hour on here whilst on my lunchbreak feels like I am shirking grin I need to lighten up I think.

Sally the best thing about the crate is that he's safe in there and he can't get into any mischief. They look bloody horrible though. Hope your dd's recovery is swift and that she loves him - my kids dote on Jarvis already, he's their buddy.

We're feeding Burgess puppy sensitive. It's local to us but not really well know through PAH sell it. When he's older I'll probably move him to Burgess Supadog as it's not bad quality and very well priced but we'll see how his poohs are - they are loose still though he doesn't actually seem to do that many just does them on the carpet

SallyBear Thu 15-Aug-13 13:57:20

Use bicarbonate of soda to clean. Bleach and cleaning agents seem to mark their territory apparently!

Awks Thu 15-Aug-13 14:01:01

Fingers crossed to carpet craps today yet but I've been using hot bio washing powder and then vanish foam and I cant smell it but I bet he can!

SallyBear Thu 15-Aug-13 14:11:41

Bicarbonate is amazing stuff. You may have to lose the carpet.... If he persists. I've already made a mental note to roll up rugs and put away until the winter.

moosemama Thu 15-Aug-13 15:32:40

Awks, we've always used Simple Solution from PAH to clean up any toiletting accidents and are doing the same again. It doesn't smell as nice as it used to though - it smelled like play-doh when I last had a pup, now it just smells of cleaner. Seems to be working, as we are now on day two of no indoor toiletting at all.

Pip is a real livewire today, after all that sleep last night. He's pinched my slipper and run up the garden with it - with me trying to not look like I was chasing him to get it back. blush Tried to steal my trainer, done his best landshark impression on me several times (fortunately responds to a loud squeal and turned back) and been brutal to poor old Lurcherboy who just stands there looking mournful while he bites his beard and ears. I keep having to rescue him, which is plainly ridiculous given that there's over 20 kg difference in weight between them and Lurcherboy can run like the wind. Daft dog. grin

Managed to muster everyone to get his sample to the vets (all of a three minute walk) and even the on-duty vet came out to fuss over him. He said, 'we don't have many lurchers in, but we do have a lovely one called Lurcherboy', so I had to explain that Pip is Lurcherboy's new shadow and made the poor guy blush. The receptionist panicked when she saw me with a pup, as she thought we must have lost Lurcherboy as well as Oldgirl.

Awks Thu 15-Aug-13 17:33:44

I know about the carpet, we haven't had any accidents today so fingers crossed. He's only done 3 craps today though, is that normal? I will go and buy some Simple Solution though, just in case! His pooh is really runny as well but he is drinking, eating, playing and is alert and quite beautifully normal that I think I won't worry about that unless you all go Noooooooooooooo take him to the vet NOW

moosemama Thu 15-Aug-13 17:56:29

My vet said many pups are a bit 'loose' their first week in their new home. Apparently it's a stress reaction.

Pip has just done his second poo of the day (only on fresh cooked chicken at the moment) and half was solid, the other runny. Disappointed, as the first one post diet change was completely normal, but hoping the vet is right and it's just the stress of leaving the litter and changing homes etc.

Awks Thu 15-Aug-13 20:08:03

Moose that's good to hear and seems logical. Will keep an eye on -his shit urgh-- and hope yours firms up grin

Just taken Jarvis to the wine bar on the beach, he slept on our knee and was petted by a million pensioners #happydays

moosemama Thu 15-Aug-13 21:43:27

Honestly, I feel like I'm on pfb nappy watch all over again. This must be the only other time in our lives that we're so utterly obsessed with another person/creature's waste matter. hmm grin

Bit concerned about my boy this evening - he's a chatty little fella generally ... but if I didn't know better, I'd swear he just miaowed! shock grin

Awks Fri 16-Aug-13 06:57:11

Moose he's auditioning for his youtube video. He wants to be the canine equivalent of sharkcat grin

basildonbond Fri 16-Aug-13 08:11:44

Awks - Jarvis, Cocker Spaniel, 9 weeks and 11 Aug 2013
Everlong - Enzo, Italian Spinone, 9 weeks, brought home 9/8/13
Moosemama - Pip, Rescue Lurcher 10 weeks, 9/10 August 2013
TooManyButtons - Stanley, Cocker Spaniel, 8 weeks, 15 August 2013
MissMummy1 - Aulay, Spanador, 8 weeks, coming home 20th August 2013!
SallyBear - Toby, foxy coloured yellow Labrador, 8 weeks coming home on 23rd August
Cogdat - Ushi, Sprocker, 9 weeks, 2 August 2013
Basildonbond - Fitz, NSDTR, born 16/7/13, coming home mid-September

SallyBear Fri 16-Aug-13 08:21:59

Basildon - what's a NDSTR?

SallyBear Fri 16-Aug-13 08:22:23

Oops NSDTR!smile

basildonbond Fri 16-Aug-13 09:30:05

He's a Nova Scotia Duck Tolling Retriever here

And he's gorgeous (pic of him at 3 weeks on my profile)

moosemama Fri 16-Aug-13 09:37:19

Basildon, Tollers are lovely dogs - and he is soooo cute. [smile

Pip discovered the joys of torrential rain this morning. Dh took him out for a wee and he refused to move out from under dh's umbrella, even going as far as to try and force his way between dh's ankles to try and keep himself dry. grin When that didn't work, he made a break for the back door and pounded on it squealing like a little piggy. grin

Poor little mite came in looking like a punky drowned rat. He has no body fat and a very thin coat, so I think I'd better get onto ordering him a raincoat.

Reminded why we decided to get a pup in the summer rather than after the dcs go back to school though. <<shiver>>

SallyBear Fri 16-Aug-13 09:47:41

Basildon. Gorgeous!!!!! Toby is a fox red Labrador and utterly scrumptious. Can't wait to pick him up next week. His photos have been keeping DD's spirits up as she's in GOSH recovering from surgery. I'm sure once he's chewed her converse sneakers she may not be quite so enamoured! wink

SallyBear Fri 16-Aug-13 09:48:38

Moose poor old Pip. A raincoat sounds like a great idea. The lady across the road got one which she said was a breathable goretex fabric I think??

Awks Fri 16-Aug-13 10:54:21

Basildon your toller is a real beauty. They are lovely dogs and I bet you can't wait.

The rain is a pain isnt it but I'm glad too I didnt get a new pup in January. That must be miserable for the owner and the dog?

Sally bet you are counting the days!

moosemama Fri 16-Aug-13 12:04:11

The sun has come out here now, thank goodness aaand Pip has discovered a new thing to be fascinated with ... slugs. Urgh! Good job his last worming was done with Advocate. <<shudder>>

Just having a 5 minute cuppa after cooking and bagging up all his feeds for today and tomorrow. Now the rest of the Moose crew are haranguing me for lunch, honestly, if it's not the pup it's the dcs.

Just looked up the letter detailing ds1's first day at secondary and he's only going in for two hours - right across Pip's first Puppy Class. hmm Dh is going to have to book the morning off and take him. I've already paid for the class and have very strong feelings about socialisation, after having a dog that developed fear aggression from missing a lot of socialisation due to illness.

Well Stanley's here, and seems to be settling in very well. We went to bed at about midnight last night and he didn't stir until 6 this morning.

He's been bounding round the garden happily and is generally delightful. Our Yorkie, Wig, isn't overly impressed; Stanley keeps trying to play with him but is a bit rough, bearing in mind he weighs more than Wig grin

Stanley had his first jab this morning, then we took him to Pets at Home where I spent about a million pounds on toys, treats, and a very smart new collar. We were stopped every few steps by people wanting to fuss him because he's just so damn cute smile

I'll put a new picture on my profile.

Awks Fri 16-Aug-13 13:27:32

Jarvis likes snails too, they are minging sometimes.

And Stanley is gorgeous, he looks a bit like Jarvis who's on my profile too. Glad he is settling well it will be good to compare pups and do a nit of stealth boasting grin

MissMummy1 Fri 16-Aug-13 13:48:00

Argh feeling a bit stressy. We are meant to be picking Aulay dog up on Tuesday. Been in constant contact with breeder every few days via email. Yesterday she emailed to say all of his sister will be going to new homes tonight/tomorrow to which I replied we could collect him over the weekend too (would actually work better for us). Since then no reply. Tried calling, no answer.

She is probably just busy, isn't she? I am being a neurotic mess over nothing, aren't I?

I also spent a fortune on PAH today blush . Appalling customer servive though..

moosemama Fri 16-Aug-13 14:33:53

Aw, Stanley is gorgeous TMB. I'm very envy of how long he sleeps for at night.

Have picked a coat for Pip, his royal blue puppy collar really suits him (although goes around his neck twice so am currently looking for something the same colour that I can get small enough) so am ordering a royal blue waterproof one with striped rainbow fleece lining. Hopefully that will keep him going for a couple of weeks. Didn't want to order too big, but obviously need to consider how long it's going to last, especially as he seems to be having a growth spurt at the moment.

MissMummy, don't fret. I barely have time to answer the phone with one puppy at home, so she's probably run off her feet with a whole litter, plus preparing puppy packs etc for the ones that are leaving today and tomorrow.

You're right about PAH. I only ever use them if I can't wait for delivery from somewhere online. I find smaller, family run business much better for customer care. Although to be fair, when we were buying a Thundershirt to try for Lurcherboy's separation anxiety, there was one member of staff that couldn't do enough to help. I always get the impression the staff are on minimum wage, probably zero contracts and generally treated really badly. They always look so unhappy.

Can I join too, please?

Awks - Jarvis, Cocker Spaniel, 9 weeks and 11 Aug 2013
Everlong - Enzo, Italian Spinone, 9 weeks, brought home 9/8/13
Moosemama - Pip, Rescue Lurcher 10 weeks, 9/10 August 2013
TooManyButtons - Stanley, Cocker Spaniel, 8 weeks, 15 August 2013
MissMummy1 - Aulay, Spanador, 8 weeks, coming home 20th August 2013!
SallyBear - Toby, foxy coloured yellow Labrador, 8 weeks coming home on 23rd August
Cogdat - Ushi, Sprocker, 9 weeks, 2 August 2013
Basildonbond - Fitz, NSDTR, born 16/7/13, coming home mid-September
MotherOfGirls - Ollie, Rescue Collie x, 12 weeks, arrived 7 Aug

So good to know I'm not alone! We have a two year old rescue sprollie and wanted a friend for him - and completely forgot about the early days! To add to the fun Ollie ate something in the garden on Day 5 and stopped eating. Ended up on a drip at the vet's for 30 hours and only returned home yesterday. Such a worrying time but he seems fine now. Back to playing and nipping and generally being all we can do or think about!

moosemama Fri 16-Aug-13 17:13:41

Pip managed to fall/roll down a little incline in the garden this afternoon in his haste to hang off Lurcherboy's beard. He screamed as if he'd broken his leg and wouldn't get up, then when I stood him up was limping badly.

I was beside myself, scooped him up, brought him inside and checked his leg, no sign of pain. Then, quick as a flash the little monkey leaped off my lap and shot off up the garden again. hmm

I should have known, Lurcherboy is a really big wuss when it comes to pain as well and it's quite common in sighthounds. His foster mum even told me about a similar event in their garden that really scared her.

I'm looking forward to the weekend and having dh home to tag team on watching him. Not to mention dh has said he'll do the night shift tonight and tomorrow, so I will finally get a decent span of sleep.

He's definitely improving. He doesn't scream when I'm out of his line of sight anymore and will happily trip off up the garden or the living room or kitchen on his own, so is clearly feeling more settled and secure.

Hoping to move things along next week a bit more quickly, as by September I really need him to be able to be left in his crate for at least 20 minutes without screaming the place down, so I can do the school runs. It would help if I could stuff a kong or give him a treat toy in there, but just being on white fish and chicken, it makes it a bit more difficult.

MissMummy1 Fri 16-Aug-13 17:45:11

I was worrying over nothing blush blush blush Aulay dog will home in 2 hours grin grin grin

moosemama Fri 16-Aug-13 17:58:10

grin great news MissMummy1. Hope you have a good night. wink

I only just 'got' his name. blush

everlong Fri 16-Aug-13 18:01:07

Glad Aulay will be home soon! ( what does his name mean smile )

binger Fri 16-Aug-13 18:26:12

Lol I remember my cocker's puppyhood - she's 2 - with terror. House training was easy but omg, those teeth! That was not fun.

So envious though, I'd love another cocker but common sense stops me, love them so much though. Enjoy your baby.

moosemama Fri 16-Aug-13 18:39:47

I'm not sure I've got it right, but I think - as he's a Spanador it might be a play on the word Ole, given that Spanador sounds so Spanish.

On the other hand I could have got it completely wrong and be making a total idiot of myself?

basildonbond Fri 16-Aug-13 21:31:24

Sally - our first ever dog was a foxy red lab - Topaz - she was the bestest dog ever - we got her for my 4th birthday and when we lost her to cancer 14 years later we were all devastated

I think part of the appeal of the Tollers is that their colour and size remind me of our first dog (she was v small for a lab)

Moose - one of my parents' collie x used to be a tremendous wuss in the face of the slightest pain, until he heard the treat tin being opened which would almost always effect a miracle cure ....

And awks - Stanley is v cute

All the Tollers we've met have not only been beautiful but also have had a lovely temperament - friendly and playful but not ott (they have an 'off' switch!). I don't know why they're not more common ...

basildonbond Fri 16-Aug-13 21:32:55

Eek sorry awks and buttons - getting my spaniel puppies mixed up - they're both cute!

sweetkitty Fri 16-Aug-13 21:57:43

We're going to visit our puppy on Sunday grin she's 4 weeks now so will be bringing her home middle of Sept. we know which one were getting now too.

She's to be called Nala after the female lion in Disneys The Lion King (DC choice) after her African Lionhound heritage.

Very excited grin

Trying to make up a list:

Water and food bowls
Food she's weaned onto Burns puppy will keep her on this
Vet bed
Collar and lead (what kind and size) don't want to spend loads on a puppy one as she'll grow fast.
Toys puppy kong, what else?

Not going to bother with puppy pads going to try to train her to go straight outside, oh poo bags.

Awks Fri 16-Aug-13 22:03:22

MOG that's very scary but glad he's ok now. They're just so helpless.

Aulay's scottish I think, there was a bar in Dunfermline years ago called it, after the landlord's name.

anyhow, a quick poll. Do you let your dogs a] upstairs and/or b] on the furniture

birdmomma Fri 16-Aug-13 22:12:16

Hello! Can I join in? I have Birdpup, a 13 week old border terrier XX. After 4 weeks of crate training at night, we gave up because although she had stopped crying piteously, we could tell she dreaded it. She was still wetting her bed each night even though we took her out in the middle of the night. She is now happily ensconced IN my daughter's bed and sleeps through, no mess. Oh dear, Gwen Bailey would not be impressed.

Other than that, toilet training is improving - she gives us 30 seconds notice by briefly running to the back door, and if we fail to notice this (unlikely as we all watch her like a hawk ALL the time) she runs off to another room and does it there.

I love her like she's a new furry baby. God I love her.

birdmomma Fri 16-Aug-13 22:15:49

PS - to the poll - Birdpup has wormed her way on to all furniture, our laps, in the beds and basically everywhere. My bad.

Awks Fri 16-Aug-13 22:23:49

Jarvis hates his puppy Kong, that was a waste of £6 so far. His fave toy is a blue fluffy bone with a squeak inside. The Kong is too heavy for him to carry far but he will probably grow into it.

moosemama Fri 16-Aug-13 22:24:07

Oh, well in that case I still didn't understand his name. blush I really like it though. Wish we'd come up with something more interesting, but the daft puppy chose it himself.

As for the poll. My dogs aren't allowed upstairs or on the furniture. Our first two were, but dh is actually allergic to dogs, so keeping them off the furniture and out of the bedrooms seemed like the sensible thing to do. Fortunately, all the exposure to our dogs over the years has desensitised dh and they don't seem to affect him any more.

We did have to squeeze Finn's travel crate into our bedroom for a while when his SA was at it's worst, as I couldn't leave the house at all for fear of him upsetting the neighbours, but other than that, he's always been kept downstairs and he doesn't even try to go up.

Awks Fri 16-Aug-13 22:27:29

birdmomma Jarvis does that, the all of a sudden panicky run to the back door. If i miss it, I spend the next 10 mins cleaning it up.

We've never let our dogs upstairs or on the sofas but I'd quite like a snuggly spaniel on my lap. Dh thinks it's minging though and as he didn't really want another dog i think I'll have to suck it up and be strict.

sweetkitty Fri 16-Aug-13 22:28:07

Our puppy is a Rhodesian Ridgeback so she will be a big strong pup so thinking about toys that she won't destroy grin

Am going to allow her on the furniture but she must know that she has to move if people want to sit. Don't know about beds yet have a funny feeling she will be sneaked upstairs by the DC at some point.

SallyBear Fri 16-Aug-13 22:32:26

Guess who's coming home to live with us on Sunday??

moosemama Fri 16-Aug-13 22:34:59

Birdmomma, you have to do whatever works best for you and your family. There's no one-size-fits-all solution that will suit every dog.

Pip has an odd green, four-legged plush toy, with a squeaker in each leg and a stretchy head that he adores. He loves ragging it because all four legs and the head and tail flail around and he can always find a squeaker. I bought it in the Vet UK sale though and can't find a similar one to link to.

sweetkitty Fri 16-Aug-13 22:36:32

grin Sallybear so excited for you and a little bit jealous too!

moosemama Fri 16-Aug-13 22:38:45

Just realised it wasn't VetUK, it was Doggie Solutions. This is it.

Customer service from DS was excellent compared to PAH by the way and they were also much cheaper.

SallyBear Fri 16-Aug-13 22:38:59

We are really looking forward to it too. It basically boiled down to hospitals that forced us to collect him earlier, but I'm hoping that his arrival will be just the tonic for DD after her op. smile Toby-Obi-Wan-Kenobi. May the paws be with you.

moosemama Fri 16-Aug-13 22:39:59

Of course Sally. They were going to keep him while dd was in hospital. How exciting! grin

SallyBear Fri 16-Aug-13 22:40:27

Love the look of that toy moose. I will order one for Toby. smile

moosemama Fri 16-Aug-13 22:41:10

It should really help dd. It's hard to be down when there's back to back puppy antics to make you laugh.

SallyBear Fri 16-Aug-13 22:42:04

That's what I'm hoping too. So I will be on the doghouse couch moaning about lack of sleep on Monday!

moosemama Fri 16-Aug-13 22:49:24

Whatever you do, don't be tempted by the cheap squeaky frog with replaceable squeakers though. I was and it's teeny. It fits in the palm of my hand and is practically so small Pip would be in danger of inhaling it.

Finally got a puppy collar to fit Pip off ebay yesterday. It arrived today shock and dh says it's too girly. This is because everyone keeps referring to Pip as 'she' (even our own dcs keep doing it hmm) because of his pretty face and fine bones. Then when we say, 'Actually he's a boy.' they always say 'But he's so pretty, he looks just like a girl.'

Then again, I've been asked several times if Lurcherboy is Pip's Mum and he's a big solid lad, who simply can't be mistaken for a female for obvious reasons.

It's really dark purple velvet, with silver stars on and was the only one I could get small enough that wasn't either pink or ridiculously blinged. It's supposed to be for teacup chihuahua puppies! grin

I'm planning to get him a beautiful hound collar, but money is a bit tight for the rest of this month and the 'teacup collar' was only about £4.00.

I think he looks lovely in it and it's tough, because I couldn't get hold of a nice soft collar in blue that was small enough.

Awks Fri 16-Aug-13 23:03:51

Moose I am a tightwad as I bought Jarvis his collar in Wilkos, it came with a lead for £2 grin

sally woop woop, how exciting. Add the earplugs to your list.

moosemama Fri 16-Aug-13 23:14:27

Awks, I wanted to get a cheapie puppy set, like the ones I've always had for previous pups, but literally nowhere around here sells them and all the ones I saw online were harsh nylon webbing, rather than soft woven ones.

Pip has very fine fur and thin skin, so I needed something that wasn't going to rub - honestly, you'd think lurchers would be hardy wouldn't you, but not Pip, he's a fragile little flower, bless his little cotton socks. grin

I love Wilko's. We used to shop there regularly when we lived in Lancashire. They do online sales now, but I didn't think of looking on there for cheap dog-stuff - doh!

<strokes snuggly spaniel puppy on lap>

Stanley has decided, after living here all of 24 hours, that the floor is no place for a puppy, instead the sofa on my big fluffy cushion is much more acceptable. He's taken to bouncing round on his back legs pitifully until we lift him up. I just can't say no to his big puppy eyes...I'm done for aren't I.

Sally how exciting, what is fox coloured? I've only seen golden, black and chocolate.

SallyBear Fri 16-Aug-13 23:47:28

Buttons he is a sort of ginger biscuit colour, if that's any help. Looking forward to his arrival. Now thinking that a crate maybe the way to go... Good job someone is lending us one!

birdmomma Sat 17-Aug-13 04:24:25

Buttons - glad I'm not the only one that can't resist big puppy eyes.

We took Birdpup for her first proper walk with lots of other dogs today. it went well after her initial instinct to kill every dog she could see (she is the size of a small cat, so this was ill-advised). A lovely doggie dog owner allowed her dogs to be yapped at until she finally calmed down and realised that other dogs can be friends. Phew.

MissMummy1 Sat 17-Aug-13 06:32:06

He's home and he's freaking adorable!

But he has whinged and whimpered all night. Him and DD have tag teamed meaning DP and I have had no sleep.

So far <touchwood> no accidents in the house. Breeder had him puppy pad trained and he prefers the grass. Long may this continue!!

His name is Aulay as in MacAulay. 'Aww-lay'. It's an Ulsterscots name - DP is from NI and I'm Scottish.

I will try and upload a photo of him onto my profile (bare with me!).

Fox red labs are lovely, Aulay's dad was a foxy lab. A friend of mine has a stunning working red lab.

Aw well done Birdpup! My next door neighbours have an adult cocker spaniel, he's a working type and utterly bonkers...he was racing round the garden yesterday with a cockerpoo, while Stanley sat transfixed watching with huge wide eyes, as if to say "Look mum! Look at the big dogs! Wow!"

We had another good night with him last night, we decided to put his crate downstairs rather than in our bedroom; he cried for about 10 minutes (while I felt like the cruellest owner in the entire world) but then didn't make a sound until 6 this morning. He went outside for a wee and a poo, and now he's humping his cuddly pheasant enthusiastically grin

MissMummy it's so hard when they're crying isn't it...I hope he settles soon. Can't wait to see a pic smile

Awks Sat 17-Aug-13 07:15:23

Those big puppy eyes are an absolute killer aren't they - though he's banned from the sofa I sit on the floor with him on my knee cuddling him like a baby and it's lovely. Sadly, he's a smelly spaniel, some are and some aren't and this one definitely is.

So he was in his crate downstairs till 6 am this morning came out and had a wee and a pooh so that was good. Now we have discovered the funniest thing ever. Plastic 1L coke bottles on the floor, he will play with it for ages, sort of terrified but enthralled all at the same time. Bloody hilarious.

Missmummy we left the radio on and that did help with the nighttime howling. He didnt make a sound last night for the first time

Up at 5.30 - not bad after a full night's sleep. Rushed to let puppy in the garden so he wouldn't wake the whole family but after a long wee he started doing little puppy barks as he was so excited to start the day. Anyone else struggling to keep a bundle of fluff quiet..

SallyBear Sat 17-Aug-13 07:31:10

Ahh he's just exuberant! Long may it last Mother!!

Excited about getting Toby home, but nervous at the same time as I haven't puppy proofed the house! Guess what we are doing today!! Thankfully we don't have any poisonous plants in the garden but we do have lots of pebbles under a bench....

Awks Sat 17-Aug-13 08:02:09

MOG that's good - it's quite nice to be up early, I sat in the garden with a cup of tea at 6.15 this morning watching the seagulls fly over and it was lovely. Though I'm not as content at 11 pm when my eyes are shutting on the sofa grin
sally we haven't bothered about the pebbles as the patio outside our house is totally pebbles and he has to walk over that to get to the grass. He didn't like it at first but now isn't bothered. He doesn't pick them up so you probably won't have to do anything with them as they don't like the feel on their tender paws. Bet you can't wait

Thanks Sally and awks. I enjoyed a cup of tea in the garden too. So glad he arrived in the summer! DH now up so I can take our grown up dog for a walk.

birdmomma Sat 17-Aug-13 09:34:02

Awks - Jarvis, Cocker Spaniel, 9 weeks and 11 Aug 2013
Everlong - Enzo, Italian Spinone, 9 weeks, brought home 9/8/13
Moosemama - Pip, Rescue Lurcher 10 weeks, 9/10 August 2013
TooManyButtons - Stanley, Cocker Spaniel, 8 weeks, 15 August 2013
MissMummy1 - Aulay, Spanador, 8 weeks, coming home 20th August 2013!
SallyBear - Toby, foxy coloured yellow Labrador, 8 weeks coming home on 23rd August
Cogdat - Ushi, Sprocker, 9 weeks, 2 August 2013
Basildonbond - Fitz, NSDTR, born 16/7/13, coming home mid-September
MotherOfGirls - Ollie, Rescue Collie x, 12 weeks, arrived 7 Aug
Birdmomma - Autumn (Birdpup), border terrier xx, 13 weeks, arrived mid July

moosemama Sat 17-Aug-13 09:44:10

Awks, have you seen those cuddly dog-toy bottle covers? Like these.

My old collie x girl was always in her element with a plastic bottle, so much so, that she used to help tidy the park on her way round. We used to take a plastic bag and collect them up as she found them, then stick them in the recycle box when we got home. grin

Great news about your quiet night, but am very envy. Actually dh had Pip last night, so I slept from 11.45 ish till 7.00 am when my new washing machine was finally delivered.

He had another go at screaming at me when I was just the other side of the dog gate, in full view, this morning, so I'm doing regular 5 minute clicker sessions on him being quiet both there and in his crate and <<fingers crossed>> that seems to be working.

Awks Sat 17-Aug-13 10:00:23

Autumns a lovely name, really lovely and unusual.

Moose those bottle covers are insane, have ordered the cat one just to be annoying grin and glad your clicker sessions seem to be working, I guess its a case of being consistent even when you are exhausted but you and your dh obviously know what you are doing and I am certain your pup will stop panicking soon.

Stanley's currently playing with an empty coke bottle with a few bits of dry pasta in it, it's the most exciting toy ever!

Moosemama I'm panicking a bit about leaving Stanley on his own, and Pip's not exactly filling me with confidence! In a few weeks when DD is back at school we'll need to leave him on his own for a while, I've got visions of him howling constantly.

birdmomma Sat 17-Aug-13 10:42:38

I've given up trying to leave Autumn on her own. She comes shopping with me in the car (and I race round the shop as quick as I can as she is flattened against the window when I leave and still there when I get back). She follows me all round the house and watches me go to the toilet. She goes back to her mum's 3 days a week when I'm at work and is never left alone there. She doesn't even like being in her puppy play pen when we're all in the same room (whimpers). In the car she tries to crawl onto my lap, but I've drawn the line at that.

She also loves empty plastic bottles, but they have to be kiddy water bottles because her mouth is a bit tiny. She is currently sat on DD1's lap, licking her fingers lovingly with one ear inside out.

SallyBear Sat 17-Aug-13 10:46:06

Buttons. Start working on it now. Just tell him in a casual voice "off to xyz. See you later". Shut the front door and wait a minute or two then walk back in and say "hello" in a low key way put your bags down etc. gradually increase it and then he won't be stressed about you leaving. What I would say though is that if you have an answer machine, your voice on it will drive him mad so turn it off and get 152. My old dog Monty used to howl at the answer machine. He hated it.

Thanks Sally, I'll try that. I think I'm going to get him a puppy play pen so he's got somewhere safe to be left. I'd shut him in the kitchen but it's brand new, only been fitted last week so I'm not entirely keen on coming back to find a door chewed grin.

moosemama Sat 17-Aug-13 13:46:11

Buttons, he will be fine I'm sure, but as Sally said you need to start getting him used to short periods on his own and gradually build it up between now and the end of the holidays.

I'm over-sensitive to it, because I recently had to do some intensive behavioural work with Lurcherboy when he developed Separation Anxiety after Oldgirl died and started full-on howling whenever we left him. We started off with him howling after just 3 minutes, but he can be left an hour and a half without starting to whinge now. It was very hard work, really intensive and I pretty much had to put my life on hold and be trapped in the house other than school runs for almost 8 weeks. My neighbours were lovely about it, but I'm sure they won't be impressed if they get back off holiday and we have another howler in the house. The idea, based on research re his SA type and advice from knowledgeable sighthound owners, was that getting another dog would be company for Lurcherboy. I think I'll start howling myself if I just end up with double trouble!

Fortunately, we've had a bit of a breakthrough with it today. I dropped a few pieces of cooked chicken into his puppy kong, put it in his crate with him and he didn't even notice me leave the room. Kept him quiet for 10 minutes while I played ball with Lurcherboy in the garden, until he had a bigger piece stuck in the kong and got frustrated. So I chopped that up, put it back in and got another 5 minutes peace. Feeling less worried about it now, as I'm sure by September the little piggy will be happy to nosh down on a well stuffed kong or playing with a treat dispenser when I have to pop across to the school. I wasn't sure it would work, because Lurcherboy doesn't do kongs. He's such a lazy boy and will eat treats dropped out of a ball toy, but won't bother with a well stuff kong, because it's too much like hard work.

Pip's crate is massive, but I think - judging by how much he's grown in just a week with us - that he's going to need it. We currently have a divider in it and he's just using half, but I'm thinking I'll gradually move it back until he has room to play with a treat dispensing toy in there as well as a kong. He could easily run around in it currently, if we took the divider out.

Awks Sat 17-Aug-13 13:50:49

TMB I've left Jarvis now for up to 2 hours, in his crate in the kitchen with the radio on. I did it by gradually increasing the time, ie every hour at first I popped him in his crate and said bye bye then came back for 2 minutes. it seems to be working as now he goes into his crate on his own.

He's playing with the plastic coke bottle too while the £6 Kong sits there ignored grin

moosemama Sat 17-Aug-13 14:07:32

Again I am very envy Awks.

Pip happily goes into his crate for sleep or play all throughout the day. He even sleeps happily in there with me in the same room or - if I'm quiet - I can leave the room while he's sleeping, but if he's in there with the door closed and I so much as step out of the room he's full on screaming before I can even turn around and sometimes he'll even do it with me in the same room.

He's happy enough for me to leave the room and move around the house if he's not in his crate, just not while he's in there with the door shut. Yet he doesn't appear to have any negative associations with the crate itself, as it's his choice to go in there 99.9% of the time. In fact, he's asleep in there right now - with the door open. He's also happy to go outside or into another room on his own, so it's not really over-attachment.

The clicker training is helping, but I have spent several sessions today wearing a treat pouch, with a clicker in my back pocket going in and out of the room via either door, waiting for him to draw breath, so he's quiet enough to click treat. It's very time consuming, but will hopefully be worth it in the long run.

Sounds as if our boys have very different personalities.

SallyBear Sat 17-Aug-13 15:00:30

(Looks about). We have a crate and a puppy pen. The puppy pen is quite tall so I've packed that away until he's a bit bigger. The rugs have been rolled up and we are clearing a space in DH's office for his bed/crate. Oh lord. We've done it now!

moosemama Sat 17-Aug-13 15:05:36

My ideal set up would be a smaller crate, surrounded by a puppy pen - but there's simply not enough room in my house for that.

I'm so excited for you Sally! grin

Saw on the other thread that dd is doing really well considering everything she's been through. So pleased she'll soon have her new best friend home to help her through her recovery.

<<whispers>> Pip is asleep in his crate in the living room ... and I'm in the kitchen! shock grin

Awks Sat 17-Aug-13 15:08:29

Come on Sally, you can do it we are holding your paw smile

Jarvis's poohs are still really runny - they have been about 80% of the time since we brought him home, there have been a couple of normal ones then it's back to runny. I've poked about in the last one to see if there were any signs of worms but there weren't - he's eating and drinking fine and appears quite well but I am anxious that there's something wrong with him. I think I will take him to the vets Monday with a sample but would you do the chicken water rice till then or just keep to his normal food?

Awks Sat 17-Aug-13 15:09:32

moose shuuuusssh - brilliant news though, clever doggy grin

moosemama Sat 17-Aug-13 15:10:15

Make that, Pip is awake (but tired) in his crate in the living room and I am sitting at the kitchen table! shock shock grin

moosemama Sat 17-Aug-13 15:20:02

I don't think it could do any harm to just give him chicken until Monday Awks. Pip has been on cooked chicken (no rice) since Tuesday and is now producing healthy, if rare, poos (he's only pooing once a day). Apparently some dogs don't react well to rice, so just cooked chicken or white fish is a better option.

Our vet gave us Canikur probiotic paste to give to Pip twice a day as well and I've since been told it's often used to settle the digestive system of new pups.

Be warned though, our vet charged us nearly £19.00 for a 15ml syringe, then I found out you could buy a 30ml syringe off VetUK for just over £10.00, as it's non-prescription. angry I've bought a syringe full online now, so if the vet says she wants to keep him on it I'm prepared. Several people on the sighthound forum I'm on said they keep it in, in case their dogs ever get upset stomachs and it always sorts them within 48 hours.

<<he's still awake and has looked at me several times, but is just lying there chilling out!>> grin

moosemama Sat 17-Aug-13 15:21:12

Sally, forgot to say last night - ds1 loved the 'may the paw be with you' thing. grin Mind you, he wanted to call Pip Yoda. wink

sweetkitty Sat 17-Aug-13 15:23:11

What size of crate has everyone got? Looking online I should go for an XL one for a ridgeback but the XXL says GSD/Doberman size and a RR is about the size if a Doberman so I'm confused now. Have also been told just vet bed in the crate but if the crates huge and we've got this tiny pup won't she just pee in the other end?

Am loving all these tales of new puppies

Awks Sat 17-Aug-13 15:28:49

woo go Pip grin that's a real result moose. Thanks for the advice - I'm boiling up some diced chicken now so will do this resting diet today and tomorrow and see how he is on Monday, if no change will take him to the vets. Good tip re the Cankur though, thanks also

Kitty I'd get the XXL one and partition one end off with a big cardboard box until he needs it

SallyBear Sat 17-Aug-13 15:33:10

'Twas inspired I thought Moose! (Hums Star Wars theme, wonders if you can get a bone handle shaped light sabre)

moosemama Sat 17-Aug-13 15:42:46

Kitty, I agree with Awks, we got our crate from Doggie Solutions, as they were the cheapest at the time and went for the biggest we can fit in the house! Their crates come with a free partition, so he's just in one end at the moment and we'll move the partition back as he grows.

Well, he dozed of for about ten/fifteen minutes, then woke up and just did one tiny little whine, so I let him out and he went straight out for a wee. Things are looking up ...

sweetkitty Sat 17-Aug-13 18:57:23

Thanks for the advice will have a mooch on doggie solutions.

MissMummy1 Sat 17-Aug-13 19:00:52

Well after last night's disastrous night wakenings, and my wibbles this morning over whether buying a dog was a silly idea, Aulay dog has been an absolute star all day. One tiny accident on his puppy pad at the back door I was distracted with DD blush but otherwise all toileting in the garden. Letting him out hourly seems to be doing the trick!

WRT crate sizes, my mum and dad gave us their old lab's one. Not a clue on size but it seems pretty big.

I think I have managed to upload a photo onto my profile. <clueless>

moosemama Sat 17-Aug-13 20:24:08

Aw, he's really cute MissM. What a good boy with his housetraining as well.

Poor old Pip had an wee accident this afternoon. Dh's fault, he shut the backdoor without telling me and I was in the bathroom, so he couldn't ask to go out. angry <- with DH, not Pip.

MissMummy1 Sat 17-Aug-13 20:39:17

Oh poor pip moosemam sad

Aulay looks like a lab. He is lab x springador. But he walks/skips/springs like a springer spaniel! He has spaniel jowls and long ears too. And little white bits between his toes smile

birdmomma Sat 17-Aug-13 21:26:15

Cute puppy MissMummy! Aww

I feel for those of you with runny puppy poo. We once had a puppy (a Westie) who did about 12 runny poos a day (and night) and it was terrible. He trod in them as soon as he did them too. Yuck.

I am going to work on leaving Autumn alone a bit more.

moosemama Sat 17-Aug-13 21:36:54

I know - poor boy, especially considering he hasn't gone inside once since Tuesday evening when DH came home from work and he got excited. Before then he hadn't gone indoors since Monday night.

I think you can really see the spaniel in him MissM. I love his spaniely ears. smile

Awks Sat 17-Aug-13 22:43:48

I love dogs. Next time I hire someone I am going to ask if they like dogs too grin

birdmomma Sun 18-Aug-13 05:09:58

I hope all the puppies slept well last night. Whilst you have been sleeping (hopefully), Autumn has had a good day down under, seeming more confident to wander further off when we are outside instead of sticking to me like glue. She seems less anxious each day, and does not always need to have me or someone else in sight all the time. At least for today. Have added up to date pictures to my profile.

It sounds like Autumn is settling in well, and she's gorgeous!

Stanley slept from 11:00 last night until 6 this morning, with only a tiny whimper when we went to bed. Mind you we took him to a village show yesterday - I swear if Kate and William had turned up with baby George they'd have got less attention than we did carrying Stanley grin

All the new sights and sounds and smells must have exhausted him because he was comatose all afternoon grin

It sounds like Autumn is settling in well, and she's gorgeous!

Stanley slept from 11:00 last night until 6 this morning, with only a tiny whimper when we went to bed. Mind you we took him to a village show yesterday - I swear if Kate and William had turned up with baby George they'd have got less attention than we did carrying Stanley grin

All the new sights and sounds and smells must have exhausted him because he was comatose all afternoon grin

SallyBear Sun 18-Aug-13 06:54:54

In five hours time, we are getting Toby!! (Does a happy dance!). Honestly, we have had such a tough week with DD, that we all need this to make us smile again.

DD has been an absolute trooper and has had chronic pain from the bone graft site and the wounds. She's eating a little bit, and as her face is very swollen can't smile or talk particularly. A small round puppy careering about the house and garden will make a huge difference I hope to her spirits. He will also make a mess, but that's a small thing in comparison.

JaxTellerIsAllMine Sun 18-Aug-13 07:52:00

hi, can I join? I am an experienced dog mum. have had labs, GSDs and various in betweeners ALL my life. Got a gorgeous cocker spaniel bred by my niece and her DH. They have working dogs...

he is lovely, quite chilled a lot of the time, but I agree - pooing machines. shock 9 weeks old tomorrow and house training has been a breeze, with the exception of peeing in his crate overnight! It is driving me crazy. I know he can go 6 hours without peeing - he did it on the drive from Scotland back to England. No pooing though - he does outside 95% of the time for pees and 100% for poos.

He knows his name, sit, wave (just a silly thing) and follows me everywhere!

This too shall pass is my mantra. He plays nicely with my huge GSD and is perfect in every way, with exception of weeing on his bed... oh and slight separation anxiety - from ME!

sweetkitty Sun 18-Aug-13 07:53:58

Sallybear - so excited and jealous grin glad your DD is ok, I haven't seen your other thread, what was she having an op for? What age is she? A puppy will lift her spirits for sure.

Our breeder has told us to leave her from day one so hopefully she doesn't get separation anxiety. We're a busy house and I'm out and in quite a lot of the day so hopefully she will just get used to it. I was looking at a 10 week old RR last night thinking "how will I be able to carry her?".

Anyway going to see her today haven't seen her since she was 2 weeks old sobbing difference, the DC don't know which one we are getting so will be lovely surprise grin

sweetkitty Sun 18-Aug-13 07:54:49

Hello and welcome Jax aww he sounds lovely

Awks Sun 18-Aug-13 11:08:24

Jax does sound lovely and Sally how exciting, can't wait to hear about your first day!

We had a good night again, Jarvis slept from 11pm until 6am when dh got up and let him out for another runny pooh which was yellowy today, probably due to chicken/rice mixture. But he had been clean overnight so he's a star.

is there an order that you train them, ie do you do sit first, then come, then fetch etc or doesnt it really matter?

moosemama Sun 18-Aug-13 11:39:34

Well done Stanley. Pip went from Midnight to 6.00 as well, although dh was still sleeping in the same room as him.

Dh let me have a lie in until 10.00 am and Pip was really good for him, has played nicely, toiletted outside and is currently curled up sleeping in Lurcherboy's bed with him. So ridiculously cute! grin

Sally, your dd is an inspiration, I would be a pathetic moaner in her situation. Hope Toby is just the tonic she needs. Really excited for you all today.

Jax, your boy sounds lovely and really clever.

Awks, yep the yellow is from the chicken, Pip's were the same at first, although are healthy and brown now after almost a week of probiotics.

Have you checked out Kikopup's videos on Youtube or her website Dogmantics? I think she suggests a good order, although you don't need to do it one at a time, short, sweet sessions here and there throughout the day, working on things that seem appropriate at the time are best. So for example, you can do sit, wait and come with feeds; encourage walking near your left leg offlead when you are in the garden, handling and grooming when he's on your knee, settle when he's in his crate and 'four paws on the floor' whenever he meets someone new.

Personally - and this is just my own opinion - I've always found the three most important/useful things to teach a pup are leave, come and instant down. With those three you can stop them get into 'almost' any trouble, from eating things they shouldn't to running off after every interesting thing they see. 'Leave' is really useful for saving you having to constantly retrieve sticks, leaves, stones and everything else they find really tempting from their mouths.

Obviously it will be a while before they are solid with them, but if you do lots and lots of short, positive sessions with lovely rewards now, you will be laying the foundations for a really well behaved dog in the future. The other one that's really useful is one that Kikopup has a video of them, which is 'don't mug for treats'.

moosemama Sun 18-Aug-13 11:44:47

Forgot what I came on here for. blush

Do you think we can come up with a list of good suggestions for places to take them for socialisation.

Dh and I were trying to decide where to go today and couldn't make up our minds. I'm also struggling in the week, as I don't drive, so all we can do during the weekdays, with 3 dcs at home is carry him for Lurcherboy's walks, so park, round the block and the village (which is basically just a cross-roads with a few shops). Mum takes us all out in her car once a week though and if dh is home early enough we can do an evening jaunt.

We decided on a trip to PAH - don't really need to go, but can pick up some poo bags and it will be a totally new experience for him. Then to a nearby touristy village for a walk to the monument (popular dog walk, especially on Sundays) followed by a trip to the ice-cream parlour, where we can sit outside and he can see traffic, people etc.

everlong Sun 18-Aug-13 11:45:59

Sweetkitty I think my Enzo will be a similar size to a RR puppy. He's 9 weeks old and already heavy. We've been walking with him in our arms to socialise him for short periods but by god it's hard!

Not like my cocker when she was a baby.. roll on to when he can go out and walk grin

JaxTellerIsAllMine Sun 18-Aug-13 11:48:40

I agree, leave is used continually at the moment. grin

Pup is on fish4dogs puppy food - same brand as big GSD. He also loves those flat hide chews. Im happy so long as he leaves my furniture alone...

Ive just moved his crate to the dining room, next to GSD bed so hoping he wont wee. I KNOW he can hold pee for a while, going to lift water this evening to see if that helps. Also going to re read my puppy books.

JaxTellerIsAllMine Sun 18-Aug-13 11:51:16

In the past week or so we have gone to Vet, Pets at Home, Costa coffee (sat outside) took him to the pub yesterday while we had lunch and then costa. He loves being snuggled in and fussed over.

I have also taken him in the car when we've gone out. But to be fair, he had to travel from Edinburgh to Ayrshire, then to SE England when we got him and he was a superstar in the car in his little crate.

moosemama Sun 18-Aug-13 12:18:06

Sounds similar to us then Jax, in terms of socialisation. He's been out several times in both dh's and Mum's cars and still screams like a banshee every time, but tends to fall asleep after about 20 minutes.

I'm worrying about not doing enough, as he came home at 10 weeks and was 11 weeks yesterday.

Unfortunately, the vet has delayed his second jab as a precaution because of him being underweight and having a bad stomach (he's a rescue who has a very bad start in life) so he's not going to be able to go down outside until at least the first week in September and that's if she agrees to do it this week. I really hope she does, because his puppy classes start on 4th September.

Mine had a 6 hour car journey, punctuated by a couple of stops when we brought him home. He yelled for the first 20 minutes, but then slept the rest of the way home.

everlong Sun 18-Aug-13 12:27:03

Try not to worry moose. Has he had people coming to the house to visit? That counts as socialisation.

My vet said we could invite vaccinated dogs to our garden to play too.

moosemama Sun 18-Aug-13 12:37:40

Thanks everlong. The problem is we lead a pretty quiet life, as ds1 has AS and doesn't like a lot of change or too many visitors, so any trips etc have to planned in advance.

The only dogs we know aren't ones I would want to socialise with either. My sil's cocker wasn't socialised, is elderly and extremely short tempered and the other people we know with dogs are all away on holiday at the moment. We have doggie acquaintances that we see regularly in the park, but don't really know the owners to invite round, iyswim.

He has seen lots of other dogs out and about, but obviously I can't let him interact with them due to unknown vax status.

I used to attend two dog clubs and know literally hundreds of people with dogs last time I had a pup and since our lives have changed so much, this seems like much harder work in terms of socialisation.

Walk to the monument has been cancelled, as it's decided to get really hot outside, so now we're doing ice-cream parlour, PAH and I'll carry him under the canopy while dh pops into a couple of shops at the the retail park to do a few errands.

Realised we should take him out in VW camper once it's back from the garage later today - it would be a disaster if he developed a fear of that! grin

We took Stanley to the village show yesterday, so a whole host of new sights and sounds. I swear if Kate and William had turned up with baby George they'd have got less attention than Stanley!

He loved meeting people and being fussed, he met some donkeys too, then he fell asleep in dds arms halfway round. As soon as we got home he took himself off to bed and slept for 3 hours - obviously very tiring for a baby spaniel!

There was a Guinea pig sanctuary there where you could cuddle the piggies - one of the workers chased after dd thinking she was walking off with one of the pigs in her arms as they had one with the same markings as Stanley grin

SallyBear Sun 18-Aug-13 16:06:46

We are home! gringringringringrin
Gorgeous boy snuggled into me down the M1 and has spent two hours tearing about before flopping in a heap once I'd evicted the kids. He napped for 20 minutes, and you guessed it they woke him upconfused

sweetkitty Sun 18-Aug-13 16:27:02

gringringringringrin Sallybear

At least we got cuddles with our little girl today to tide us over.

Enjoy your first night with him

moosemama Sun 18-Aug-13 18:15:01

Sally grin grin grin

My three always decide to come thundering through the room just as Pip starts napping as well. Brings back memories of when dd was a baby. hmm

Fingers crossed for a nice quiet night. wink

moosemama Sun 18-Aug-13 18:25:03

Pip is currently spark out in his crate after a trip to PAH, where he got lots of fuss and was fascinated by the fish, a walk (well carry) around a touristy village and ice-creams outside a cafe (us not him - although he did his best to try and eat dh's grin).

Then we popped to Boots to get ds1 some allergy eye drops. I sat in the boot with the lid up with the dogs, like I did at Tesco on our way home from picking him up and this time he was relaxed enough to have a nibble on his nylabone while he watched all the comings and goings as we waited for dh.

Then finally, we popped into the ILs to drop off a birthday card and he met their visitor and had fun haring round the garden with Lurcherboy.

He yelled most of the way there, on and off, but by the time we got home was quiet and I assume, asleep.

He tried to get up when Lurcherboy went in the garden, but ended up falling asleep halfway out of the crate door, which doesn't look at all comfortable.

Funniest moment of the day was as we headed off to PAH with Pip screaming away in the boot. I plugged in my MP3 on random play and as the first song started, Elvis Presley started singing 'You 'aint nothing but a hound dog - crying all the time', cue much hilarity from the dcs. grin

happygolucky0 Sun 18-Aug-13 18:52:21

Hello all ok if I can join you .... I got our little pup a few days ago. She has been quite good. Sleeping at night next to my bed waking up around 3 ish then goes back off to sleep. Starting to get the idea of peeing in the garden ect. She won't be left alone though for any length of time. She screams like mad. Any ideas how to help her chill abit?

moosemama Sun 18-Aug-13 19:28:36

HI happygolucky0

What sort of puppy to you have? We love photos to coo over y'know - hint, hint. grin

Sounds like you and I have similar issues. I have being doing something very similar to this Kikopup video except we don't have room for a pen, so I've been dropping the treats in his crate instead.

Today, now he's dry and clean in the house, we've removed the divider in his crate to give him room to run around and play in there and he seems to like it even more than he did before.

At the moment I only need him to be able to settle for around 20 minutes during the day, while I drop and pick up ds2 and dd from school (which is across the road so nice and quick). So, I'm focussing on that as a goal at the moment and hoping to work up to it from there.

Pip still isn't quiet at night unless there's someone in the room with him and my neighbours are due back this week. We're getting there by making sure he's extra tired before we go to bed and teaching the cue 'settle', but I think we still have a way to go.

everlong Sun 18-Aug-13 19:31:45

We had a short stroll with Enzo this afternoon. He's 7kg already. Big boy.

My god I can only hold him for about 38 seconds before passing him to DH. Can't wait till he's allowed on the ground.

everlong Sun 18-Aug-13 19:32:59

Keep meaning to ask. What does ' blerk ' mean in the title. grin

Awks Sun 18-Aug-13 20:33:29

It is ironic, the new puppy mommies which is a bit sick inducingly saccharine so the blerk is me being sick.

everlong Sun 18-Aug-13 20:34:39

Ohhh. Geddit now.

moosemama Sun 18-Aug-13 20:36:13

Everlong, I can imagine. Pip was 5.56 kg last Tuesday and having carried him into and around PAH this afternoon my arm was killing me. Dh carried him around the village while I had Lurcherboy though, not least of all because Lurcherboy was really naughty for him in PAH. hmm

Dh has now admitted that he needs to do some training with Lurcherboy, as he does everything I say and walks beautifully on a loose lead, but completely ignores dh's cues.

Mind you, he has tried it on a bit with me a couple of times since Pip came home, as if having a new pup in the house is an excuse to misbehave. Naughty boy. hmm

Think blerk is an exclamation, referring to the multiple runny poos some of us are/were dealing with.

moosemama Sun 18-Aug-13 20:37:29

Ah - wrong again. I should give up interpreting the meanings of other people's posts/puppy names/insert anything that needs to be interpreted. blush

Hadn't even noticed the 'mommies' bit, but yes, that makes perfect sense.

SallyBear Sun 18-Aug-13 20:46:17

Well so far its been an eventful afternoon. Toby has spent a ton of time in the garden playing ball, scampering, dashing through flower beds and sleeping. He came in did two wees and two poos straight away, played and then are a little bit per the breeders instructions. (She'd said to soak half the feed and then add dry on top) I then gave him the next lot dry and he woofed the lot down. He is now fast asleep at my feet having exhausted himself with trying to snaffle all the peanut butter out of the kong toy, and tugging no end of blankets around the house. Happy boy. smile

everlong Sun 18-Aug-13 20:49:19

Aw sounds like good day!! They exhaust you don't they?

I've had 5 children and I swear they were easier! grin

Nothing like a puppy snog though.

moosemama Sun 18-Aug-13 21:01:48

smile sounds like a perfect first day and a really happy boy Sally.

How's dd doing? Was she pleased to see him or is she still too poorly?

SallyBear Sun 18-Aug-13 21:08:07

Moose - She had her bestie round today which was great as she wouldn't see anyone before then. She has eaten a small tuna sandwich, several bags of skips and a frube. Progress. She was very happy to see him, but wouldn't let him get further than her knees which was sensible. All the kids are smitten, well maybe not DS4 as he's not worked out how he feels about Toby. DH is the happiest I've seen him since SallyBear died. smile

SallyBear Sun 18-Aug-13 21:19:30

Right ladies. Serious question.
We have a plastic bed with a cushion and we have a crate. He seems to like the bed. So tonight's sleeping arrangement;
A. DH sleeps on sofa next to Toby who is in his plastic bed
B. We take the crate upstairs next to outer bed
C. We take the plastic bed and take it upstairs next to our bed.

He has not messed in the house at all. What would you do??

moosemama Sun 18-Aug-13 21:40:40

Skips - girl after me own heart! grin

Thought for a minute you meant she wouldn't let her bestie get any further than her knees ... then the penny dropped. I'm a bit slow on the uptake this weekend. blush

Great news that she's managing to eat and also how much happiness Toby has brought into your lives. smile

It took ds1 a few days to adjust to having Pip around. He read my puppy book while we were away and decided that puppies must be very worried about people when they first come home, so spent the first few days trying not to intimidate him by sort of approaching him sideways and not looking at him at all. Poor old Pip didn't know what to make of him. He's relaxed a bit now, although hasn't appreciated the change in household routine that involves 2hr feeds and me heading out to the garden every few minutes.

I'm not going to advise you re your bedtime question, as I seem to have royally fluffed things up in that department with Pip. blush Although we are making progress now, thanks to Kikopup's videos.

everlong Sun 18-Aug-13 21:44:18

We did the crate downstairs with hot water bottle but we do have another dog and cat that are in the utility room with Enzo at night so he had company.

I think start as you mean to go on but it's hard I know. I just think if you do the crate upstairs now at some point you will have to put him downstairs alone.

basildonbond Sun 18-Aug-13 21:46:52

Is there a picture of Toby yet???

No advice re bedtime here - we've not worked out what we're going to do with Fitz yet

However I wanted to mull over how to get ds2 a little happier about the puppy's arrival. Ds2 has aspergers and dyspraxia and hates changes to the status quo - he's also v concerned about how the cats will take it - any thoughts?

moosemama Sun 18-Aug-13 22:01:38

Bb, same here, ds1 is 11 and has AS. He's already on edge, as he's going through secondary transition and was devastated to leave his primary school, let alone having to deal with going to a different secondary to all his friends and travelling an hour by LEA transport to get there.

As I mentioned upthread, I gave him one of my puppy books (this one) to read, so he could understand why we needed to make some changes, rather than things seemingly just happening for no reason and disrupting his routine etc. We also spent lots of time in the preceeding weeks talking about what it would be like to have a nippy, toy chewing pup in the house and how we could make him feel more comfortable.

He's taken it better than expected. He is tic-ing and his eczema has broken out on his hands from constant washing due to hygiene worries (he has OCD tendencies) but some or all of that could be due to the school transition stress and he does enjoy having Pip here. It's been nice to see him forget his worries for a while and play with or Pip or laugh at his puppy antics.

I think eventually things will settle down and Pip being here will just be the new normal for him, as always, it's the transition that's the tricky part.

Not sure what to advise re reassuring him about the cats though, sorry. Perhaps something about how cat's are very capable of telling dogs off and usually just need to tell new puppies off once and then everyone lives together more happily because the pup knows not to chase them?

Lurcherboy was swiped by my PILs cat today. They've met tonnes of times before and he's always ignored him, but today Lurcherboy was over-excited and stuck his nose up his bum as if he was another dog - cat wasn't amused and you should have seen the look of shock on Lurcherboy's face ... before he ran away with his tail between his legs! grin

Awks Sun 18-Aug-13 22:07:19

See I'd do dh sleeping downstairs next to pup in his plasic bed which is inside the crate. But I'm a heartless cow. Glad the first day has been so lovely x

Basil I'd say that your pup will need a crate to be put in to chill (where he's away from your son so he always knows the dog can be removed if he needs him to be) and the quicker you get him trained so that he does what he's supposed to do, the better. When I was working at crufts last year I was talking to a woman from dogs for the disabled and they have some specialised research thing all about dogs and people with autism - it might be worth calling them or having a google?

moosemama Sun 18-Aug-13 22:28:50

Great idea Awks, I'd forgotten about that.

The project is called PAWS and they run workshops aimed at teaching parents how to train pet dogs to benefit children who have ASD.

SallyBear Sun 18-Aug-13 22:39:25

We want to be able to brush Toby's teeth so that DS4 can see that its not that bad. That's something they teach you in PAWS training apparently. They're not too far from me. I should ring them this week and ask about courses. But first puppy socialising and training. smile

Awks Sun 18-Aug-13 22:44:34

Moose I wish you were local, I'd be fetching Jarvis to your house to meet you and your dogs like a shot! you're not in Yorkshire are you grin

Sally its our first puppy party tomorrow - am stupidly nervous

SallyBear Sun 18-Aug-13 22:51:49

I'm going to take Toby to one at a vet in the next town to us. The woman who runs it trained our first dog, so DH wants to use her again. Hope Toby likes car travel....

SallyBear Sun 18-Aug-13 22:55:21

I have stuck a photo on my profile of Toby passed out. He hasn't sat still long enough for an awake photo!
Bugger that I can't just insert a photo in a thread.

SallyBear Mon 19-Aug-13 00:00:11

Tried to be the responsible pet owner. Took him out for a wee. Moved his bed into the kitchen and barricaded him with a pen. Five minutes and we crumpled. He'd pooed on the puppy pad (good boy) then stood in it (yuk) so down came the pen and the bed was moved into the lounge and DH is sleeping on the sofa next to him (with a light on). He wasn't keen on the crate. Need to work on that tomorrow I think. While DH is doing conference calls maybe!

happygolucky0 Mon 19-Aug-13 00:35:11

Would love to put a pic up but the camera on my phone Isn't working. She is very cute though!! Ok so I have got a crate from a friend tonight. At the moment it is next to my bed all ready. Pup (still haven't decided on a name yet) is asleep on the lounge floor!!!
Glad I am not alone with not knowing where she should sleep!! And how to get her to be ok with being left. Anyway slow steps ... Rome wasn't built in a day !!! Have a good sleep all .

birdmomma Mon 19-Aug-13 01:42:32

Hello, day time here, so night time for your puppies. Hope they are all sleeping soundly. Also hoping for some solid poos for you all. Glad your first day went well Sally. We have failed miserably on the being strict at bedtimes thing and Autumn sleeps on my DD1's bed. This has stopped her weeing at night though.

We are working on lots of commands at the same time, but at the relevant times like moose said, so sit and wait at meal times, 'off' every time she climbs up a leg or goes on a flower bed, drop it, fetch and of course recall. She seems to be getting it.

2nd proper doggie walk today. She started off badly by trying to protect us (read mad yapping) from a visually impaired old lady with a walking frame. luckily the lady was a dog lover and they ended up best of friends. Then she decided that we could protect HER from a giant bounding labrador. She starts the walk off nervy, but is settled and curious by the end.

No accidents in the house for FOUR days now (unless I've not spotted them yet). Puppy socialisation classes start Wednesday night. Life is getting easier.

JaxTellerIsAllMine Mon 19-Aug-13 07:57:47

morning everyone. last night was a good night - but Ive been up since 5 with pup. He went out for a wee at 10.30 then straight to his crate for bed, which is fine. He slept all night, happy next to GSD bed and when he cried at 5, I thought aha, he needs a wee... which I dutifully took him outside for, he did a 'pacify wee' and got praised, so I know he gets it. But he had done a wee in his bed. I know 10.30-5 is a LONG time for him to hold so I am going to try to make him stay up to midnight tonight. I can cope being up at 6, used to it, but 5 is too early.

And of course once he was up he was up! A

JaxTellerIsAllMine Mon 19-Aug-13 07:58:10

wasnt finished.

At least I have got loads done while everyone else is asleep.

birdmomma Mon 19-Aug-13 08:29:24

Ha ha to the pacify wee. Autumn has got that nailed too.

MissMummy1 Mon 19-Aug-13 08:29:26

Aulay dog and DD both slept through!!

DD has only ever slept through once so this is amazing. She has come on so much over the weekend with the pup, making real efforts to chat and walk now... and sleeping!!

1 tiny accident on puppy mat yesterday. My fault for not getting to the door quickly enough. We are also working on sit by getting him to sit everytime he goes somewhere or does something. We are getting there.

As for puppy parties, there is a dog training/puppy socialising class in the village that we took bdog to 6 years ago so will be taking Aulay dog there.

I cant wait to get onto the laptop and see new puppy photos later grin

Sally Toby is gorgeous! nd so big compared to Staney grin

Birdmomma It sounds like you're doing really well with Autumn, now Stanley's settled in we're going to start training in earnest. He has learnt his name, I'm not sure about house training yet, I'm not sure how long it'll take before he signals he wants to go outside, rather than it being pure good luck that he's already outside when he needs to pee.

So far I can't fault him at night times, he went to bed at 11.30 last night, not a sound, then woke at 7.30 this morning. Hes not had an accident during the night yet.

Awks have fun at the puppy party, I can't wait until Stanley's big enough! You're not in South Yorkshire are you?

Missmummy that sounds really positive about your dd and Aulay. Hopefully it's the start of a long happy relationship between them.

SallyBear Mon 19-Aug-13 09:32:42

He's woofing his sleep!!!! Omg. How adorable?! #needalife #Tobypuppybore

Awks Mon 19-Aug-13 11:02:00

Some good puppies here, aren't they all clever? How do you stop them humping your leg then as that's Jarvis's speciality and the kids are horrified grin

TMB no north yorks here for me

STAIRS QUESTION - We didn't allow our first dog upstairs until he was around 6 months as I heard climbing stairs could be bad for puppies physically. Ollie is 3 months and pretty much house trained so it would be nice to allow him up but I don't want to do any damage. We could easily carry him but we don't have a stair gate so I think once we carry him upstairs once, he will come and go as he pleases. Any thoughts?

moosemama Mon 19-Aug-13 11:08:23

Sadly not Awks. We used to live in Lancashire, which was fantastic for keeping dogs, but now we're down near Warwickshire. Have fun at your puppy party.

Sally, you're a great big softie like me - hope your dh isn't still on the sofa in a week's time like we are. blush He looks so cute pooped out on the floor in your photo.

I've put a couple of new pics on my profile. It seems Pip has discovered a new toy - needless to say Lurcherboy isn't so keen! grin

Birdmomma, sounds like she adapts well when confronted, even if she does react at first, it's great that she can settle down and make friends soon afterwards and the more she gets of positive interaction after being scared, the better she'll cope with new situations in later life. Puppy classes will really help with that too.

Jax, I feel your pain. Pip tends to fall asleep about 10.30, but then wakes at 2.00 am, so we've been trying to keep him awake at least an hour longer. Last night, after his busy day, he fell asleep at 10.00, before he'd had a last wee, so we woke him up at 11.00 and took him out for a wee - and that was that. He was then awake, but whingey and grizzley like an overtired toddler until 2.00 am. hmm Then he woke at 4.15 for a wee and did the biggest wee I have ever seen such a small dog produce and was again properly awake and being a full on landshark. Put him back in his crate about 4.30 ish without engaging him and he did go straight back to sleep, then dh got up at 6.00 and woke him up again. <sob> Fortunately he said I could go up to bed and he'd have Pip until he had to leave for work at 8.00 am. Apparently Pip went out, had his first feed at 6.30 and then slept until I got up at 8.00 am. hmm

Unfortunately it takes me ages to fall asleep, so I've probably only had two lots of just under 2 hour slots of consecutive sleep.

Having lots of issues with ds1 today as well, not good on such a small amount of sleep.

MissMummy, sounds like you had a perfect night. Way to go Aulay and dd.

Pip has finally gained some weight. Just over the weekend his bones have started to recede and he's looking a whole lot better. Vets tonight, so hopefully we can start weaning him onto a complete food and he will get his second vax, meaning he can start puppy classes on time. smile

Major fail on my part with housetraining this morning. Making breakfast and couldn't see Pip, so called him. We've been working on recall and 'come' = huge piece of chicken, so in charges Pip from the garden, trailing wee all through the back porch and kitchen floor on his way. He'd gone outside for a wee, which is why I couldn't see him. Doh! On a positive note, at least it seems his recall training is working. grin

moosemama Mon 19-Aug-13 11:13:44

Awks, just distraction and reward for doing something more appropriate. I've never had a male dog that humped and am praying this one doesn't either.

MotheofGirls, it very much depends on the breed. Larger breeds with bigger bones can suffer a joint damage from running up and down stairs so it's contraindicated until the period of rapid growth is over. I don't thinks it's as bad for smaller breeds, but still best to be cautious. With a border collie I think it would be sensible to avoid him running up and down stairs for a while yet.

Thanks, moosemama, that's what I thought - just wanted to check I wasn't being overcautious.

SallyBear Mon 19-Aug-13 16:16:28

I'm sat here watching Toby sleep thinking that I must do something constructive!

moosemama Mon 19-Aug-13 17:25:18

Well, I've just had a call from the vets and Pip has Campylobacter. sad

It's zoonotic, which means any of us could catch it and it's nasty in humans. It's also extremely difficult to treat, as some strains are antibiotic resistant.

So, he is seeing vet tomorrow night for a check-up and to start his antiobiotic treatment (probably prolonged) and no second vax until he tests clear - so he won't be starting puppy classes on week 1, if at all.

It's going to be tricky to handle with the dcs, as ds1 has OCD tendencies and will freak out if we tell him the truth. So, we are just having to be very vigilant and reinforce the whole, 'wash your hands when you've handled the dog' thing - although in his case he washes his hands constantly anyway.

Good job I've been mega fastidious about hygiene since we came home, as I wasn't sure what was up with him.

Just to add to my joy, the vet is awaiting E Coli results and we will know those tomorrow.

Apparently his normal poos and weight gain don't mean much, as it tends to go in cycles when the bacteria beats the gut balance and the diarrhoea starts up again, before settling again with treatment and so on ...

He will have caught it at his foster home, as he was in with 2 other small litters of other breeds and I was told their favourite game was playing with each other's poo. Eurgh!

Feeling thoroughly fed up and a bit tearful about it all at the moment. sad

SallyBear Mon 19-Aug-13 17:31:56

Ahhh moose! That's so awful! What can you do holistically to treat the gut? Live yogurt? I think where the dc are concerned just keep on being vigilant with hand washing. I'm paranoid about it anyway because if DDs surgery so just keep doing what you're doing. My friend rescued a pup in NI and within a day of being home was sick. I told her that it sounded like parvo, the vet said no then two days later said yes it was and there wasn't anything they could do but put her on a drip. My friend went online and found out the swine flu vaccine for humans could also treat parvo. She made them give it to the pup and the pup pulled through. Now the vets in question now treat parvo outbreaks with the swine flu meds. All I am saying is that there might be something else to treat him with that would work with whatever the vets have pxd. X

moosemama Mon 19-Aug-13 18:08:58

Basically support intestinal health Sally, so yes priobiotic stuff, but we have a veterinary probiotic paste that will do it better than yoghurt and fortunately I bought some online at close to a third of the price the vet charges for it.

I've googled and read lots of stuff already, so know which anti-b's are the best etc, but to be honest my vet is awesome and I trust her to deal with it properly. Unfortunately, Google brings up all the scariest stories as well. sad

My Wheaten and Collie x had the same thing many years ago and it took weeks to find out what was wrong, by which time they were both constantly exploding bloody diarrhoea and had to be confined to crates to contain the mess. It was awful, but they both responded to the first course of antibiotics, so fingers crossed Pip will be the same. He's looking so healthy now, his coat is all shiny, he's gained weight and muscle mass and is currently pooing normally, so you never know.

That's amazing re the swine-flu vax for parvo - good on your friend for sorting her vets out and getting them to give her pup the injection.

Am just going to go onto the sighthound forum I'm on and ask for advice there as they are such experienced and knowledgeable people, with a wealth of experience with rescue lurchers that I'm sure someone will know what to do.

I have despatched dh to Tescos to buy up there stock of everything anti-bacterial and disinfectant, as well as a new mop and bucket, so we have a good store of everything and won't run out.

Oh no, I came on to boast about Stanley the cleverest spaniel in the entire world but then I read about poor Pip sad. Do you know how long he'll need antibiotics for, moose?

moosemama Mon 19-Aug-13 20:24:58

Oh no TMB, tell us all about your clever boy.

Daft thing is, Pip doesn't feel ill at all. He's still a bundle of mayhem and mischief, just like all the other pups.

I don't know how long he'll need anti-b's for at this point. I think a couple of weeks, then another sample, then another two weeks etc until he tests clear.

basildonbond Mon 19-Aug-13 20:35:34

poor Pip - I hope the antibiotics get to work quickly

moosemama Mon 19-Aug-13 21:37:43

Thanks bb.

Come on folks, cheer me up with your healthy, happy puppy tales - or should that be tails?

Pip is currently driving me batty, since discovering he can yodel and yap and 'talk' at both me and poor old Lurcherboy, just for fun whenever he's bored. hmm

He was extremely unimpressed that Lurcherboy was off-lead and chasing balls in the park this afternoon, while I wouldn't put him down and he let the whole park know exactly how he felt - noisy little monkey! shock

SallyBear Mon 19-Aug-13 21:49:55

Well Toby has discovered that he is indeed a Labrador. What a little greedy guts! We are supposed to be feeding him 25g x4 a day. He woofs that down and then is still looking! So we've upped his feeds. He's been napping in the crate while DH has been working in the office (where crate is), and also voluntarily going in there when the room is empty to have a little sleep! Currently curled up like a fat squishy velvet ball in the other bed in the lounge (yes we have two!), snoozing little puppy dreams. Today he woofed in his sleep, and drank in his sleep! He's shattered from chasing/following DS3 all day. They're best buddies grin

Awks Mon 19-Aug-13 22:00:59

Aww poor, poor Pip even though he doesn't appear to know he has it. Hope the antib's work and thank god you got it diagnosed quickly. He's lucky to have you.

Jarvis went to his first puppy party and spent 55 mins hiding behind my legs and then the last 5 mins playing with a friend called Maisie. It was just too cute grin

Stanley cant be the cleverest cocker as jarvis can sit when I tell him sometimes

everlong Mon 19-Aug-13 22:02:52

Sending big get well wishes to Pip and hugs to his mum.

Well this morning I decided to start training Stanley to sit...within minutes as soon as I held a treat up he immediately sat beautifully. We've been practising throughout the day and he's been faultless. He's been following us round all day and every time he sees us with something he might like, or we hold one of his toys, he sits right in front of us and looks up expectantly. I'm utterly amazed at how quickly he's picked it up.

And! He woke from a nap earlier on, trotted off to the back door and stood staring at it; as soon as I opened the door he ran straight out for a wee.

That's after sleeping from 11 last night until 7:30 this morning, with no accidents at all.

I love my puppy grin

moosemama Mon 19-Aug-13 22:13:27

Clever boy Stanley! grin

I'm not envy at all - oh no, not me!

Awks Mon 19-Aug-13 22:57:36

We hadn't had an accident in the house for 4 days and just now he peed on the sitting room rug right in front of me. RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. Grrrr

Hi, can I join? Two three week female pups, were found in a friwnd's garden at two weeks. Currently nameless. They can wiggle backwards, sometimes play fight and growl a bit, rarely, at each other. They try to stand up and walk a bit, but not successfully, and make a weird throaty noise which is, I think, an attempt at barking!y

RoastedCouchPotatoes 3 weeks old? Wow, are you having to feed them milk? I imagine they need feeding throughout the night too. Are you going to keep them both?

Hopefully, but am pregnant and we don't know about the future with them but want to be able to keep them. We are feeding them puppy formula but will have to start weaning soon, but the vet advised waiting until four weeks, so a bit later than usual, because of their size at the start and although they are increasing a lot in weight, they haven't reached the desired amount for a puppy their age yet.

Awks Tue 20-Aug-13 06:58:18

3 weeks, x 2 and you are pg? Blardy hell that's a lot on your plate but they are lucky it was you who found them and I hope they and you are ok

moosemama Tue 20-Aug-13 08:48:48

Hi Roasted, have just posted another couple of name suggestions on your thread. wink

I think you are incredibly brave for taking on such young pups, let alone two at the same time. Hope our thread doesn't scare you off. grin

So ... where are the photos? wink

moosemama Tue 20-Aug-13 08:51:02

Pip has has a bad stomach this morning, after almost a week of normal poos.

I knew it would probably happen, but sad all the same.

He's still his usual self though. Stole the tv remote and ran off with it twice this morning, then bit ds1 on the bum (not hard) when he bent over to pick it up. shock but grin

Awks, they're bound to have the occasional accident, it's doesn't mean they're going to slip right back. If it happens again, just interrupt him and take him straight outside.

birdmomma Tue 20-Aug-13 11:37:08

So sorry to hear about Pip, and hope the antibiotics work.

Autumn whined at the door to be let out for a wee and a poo tonight. no accidents in almost a week I think - hurrah!

SallyBear Tue 20-Aug-13 11:50:54

Well we are getting accidents. Toted up about six in total since yesterday. Three on pads and three on the floor. DH didn't really get the pads idea. He does now! angry
Anyway the tubster is at the vet having a check up, hoping that all is ok.
Last night DH camped on the sofa, Toby fell asleep 10 minutes later and DH tiptoed upstairs. He went down at 3 to check on him and woke him up, he then did two poos and wees in the garden and on a pad. He took about an hour to go back to sleep and DH tiptoed back upstairs. He woke up at 6. So good really, a couple of accidents but he is only 8 weeks old and only been with us for 48 hours. smile

Sympathy for all the accidents!

moosemama Tue 20-Aug-13 14:43:49

Sounds like a good night all in all Sally. Accidents are a pain, but he's still so little - remember Pip is 11 weeks old now, so a good few weeks ahead in terms of bladder control.

Pip fell asleep in the comfiest dog bed, under the kitchen table last night. He seems to have claimed that one and Lurcherboy doesn't seem to mind. So I decided to leave him there and see what happened, but stayed on the sofa in the next room, just in case. First hour was great, then Lurcherboy decided to get up, go for an amble round the kitchen, have a very noisy drink of water and stick his nose in Pip's bed - result, one very awake puppy. hmm

So, I popped him in his crate at midnight and didn't hear another peep from him until 5.30 am, when he went outside with me and did an enormous wee.

Think we will move him to sleeping in the kitchen bed fairly quickly, but for now - assuming the neighbours don't come back later (they said they may stay longer if the weather is good) I'm going to wait until he's asleep tonight, then sneak upstairs to bed. Will set up dd's old baby monitor so I can hear if he starts to stir, as our walls are pretty thick and we sleep on the opposite side of the house.

Ha - just as I typed that the neighbours pulled onto their drive. hmm

Ah well - may give it a go anyway with the baby monitor to alert me to any Pip noises before he gets into full voice.

I'm using a baby monitor, because we feed them formula every 3 and a half hours, but sometimes I can hear their snuffly noises and feed them a bit earlier, it depends on what they've done as they get more tired with starting to walk.

Can I ask about the pads? Our pups are just recognising the sleeping and eating area isn't for weeing in, but if we use pads, that would mask the odour and it might confuse them?

sweetkitty Tue 20-Aug-13 16:20:50

Welcome to the thread roasted, wow that's a lot of work but am sure it will be worth it grin

Aww poor Pip hope his tummy is better soon

Sallybear - not too bad a night and accidents are to be expected, I'm taking my rugs up and just having wooden floor downstairs so its easier to clean just like when DS was potty training grin

Well Nala will be 8 weeks around the 12th Sept so not too long a wait. Saw another photo of her today she's just gorgeous.

Speaking of photos I will have to log in on old pc to see all these puppies grin

A friend has offered us a crate which will save some initial outlay, Groupon are doing a deal on vets just now, £45 for 2 vaccs, checks, deworming and microchippibg have checked and its a good deal grin

moosemama Tue 20-Aug-13 19:01:11

Well, we're back from the vet and she was really pleased with him.

He's gained half a kg in a week and she was shocked at how much taller he's grown as well. She said, given how healthy he seems in general now, in all likelihood we should be able to knock the campylobacter on the head with one decent course of antibiotics, as he's obviously already winning the battle and it's just a bit grumbly now. grin

I am so relieved. I totally panicked when I did the daft thing, Googled and came up with lots and lots of scary stories.

So basically he was weighed, had a quick check over, then spent the next ten minutes being loved, fussed and fed treats by our lovely vet. He was so relaxed he fell asleep in my arms! grin

Oh ... and she said, given the size of his feet and knuckle bones, he's going to be a very big boy! shock Good job these lurchery types fold up small! grin

Awks Tue 20-Aug-13 21:26:19

That's brilliant news, am so pleased for you grin

That's great!

sweetkitty Tue 20-Aug-13 21:58:41

Great news moose gringringringrin

SallyBear Tue 20-Aug-13 22:17:20

Yay Pip!!!! Toby had his vet trip and that was all good! Had a couple of wee accidents in the house, even with the back door open! But more done outside than inside so he's slowly getting the idea. We think that he's got an idea of his name as he comes when called. We've been working on sit today, and he's so funny that I say sit, good sit when he does it reward with a treat and a fuss. Then I walk away turn round and he sits automatically waiting for his treat! Monkey! He was in seventh heaven this evening as he discovered that DS4 is the messiest eater in the world and that he left a lovely pile of fried rice on the floor with the odd bit of chicken. smile

SallyBear Tue 20-Aug-13 22:18:34

Meant to add that we've left him asleep in his bed and crept upstairs to our bed.

JaxTellerIsAllMine Wed 21-Aug-13 07:10:25

w have had 2 nights of no wee during the night. hallelujah! long may it continue. grin

hope all is well in puppyland for everyone.

SallyBear Wed 21-Aug-13 07:13:55

Are you all crating??? Decided that DH's idea of leaving in a bed in the lounge is insane though he's messed in kitchen, hall and dining room (thank god for laminate wood floors). Toby's not chewed anything that I can see yet just

I cleared up a poo this morning and there was definitely blood in it. Should I be worried?

everlong Wed 21-Aug-13 07:59:42

We've got a crate SallyBear for Enzo. Honestly they are a godsend and wouldn't be without it.

He's been here nearly two weeks and had two accidents. It's good for when I need to go and clean/cook etc or see to children and can't watch him so he can't get up to any other mischief in the house. It's only for night time and short stints in the day.

I'd get one today if I were you wink

SallyBear Wed 21-Aug-13 08:13:24

We have a crate, but its in DH's office. In the evening he just wants to sleep with us in the lounge, so we think we will bring it in there and then sneak off to bed once he's asleep. DH was worried that he'd mess, but I've got old cot sheets and towels so its not a big deal. I will also get a bit of vet bedding to line it with.

He was really good last night. DH checked on him at 1.30, I woke up at 3am and noticed a lack of DH went down and found DH on the sofa. Toby happy to see his mum. So I took over for about 30 mins and said night to him and went upstairs. I could hear him running about downstairs for about 3 mins crying looking for me but then he decided that we had gone to bed so he went back to his bed. Only found one poo and one wee which I think was during the 3 mins crying period.

everlong Wed 21-Aug-13 08:30:21

Is he going to sleep in the lounge long term? If not I would put his crate where he will be sleeping in the long run then it won't confuse him. He'll soon settle down and there will less little presents waiting for you in the morning.

We have his crate in the utility room, a cushion in the kitchen and another in the lounge. Although at night all the pets are usually crammed on the sofa with me!

Just googled blood in stools, it could be a few things, giardia, colitis, new home, new food, minefield. Maybe give vet a ring today?

SallyBear Wed 21-Aug-13 08:39:07

Everlong, you sound like me! We had a bed in DH's office, in our room and one in the lounge when Sally was alive. She had a choice and a place to escape when the kids got too much. I suspect that we will do much the same once he's settled.

birdmomma Wed 21-Aug-13 09:07:33

Hello, just back from puppy socialisation class. 5 puppies - 1 very nervous tiny thing, 3 friendly social ones ... and Autumn. She wanted to take on the enormous rottweiler puppy (a big softie) and was slightly grumpy with the others. She settled with a tasty chew, but she is definitely not high on the social spectrum when it comes to other dogs.

Other than that she is gorgeous, continuing to have no accidents and sleep through the night now.

happygolucky0 Wed 21-Aug-13 09:09:47

Hi all sorry to hear little pip has been

everlong Wed 21-Aug-13 09:15:04

Would you recommend the socialisation class *bird^?
There's one at my vets but it's very vague as to what happens. Plus it's £80 for 4 weeks, which I don't mind paying if it's beneficial but the leaflet says it goes through puppy health, a bit of training and how to socialise.
All of which I already know.

Awks Wed 21-Aug-13 09:19:09

Sally we took Jarvis to the vets yesterday am as we found blood in his stool. I also took a pooh sample and the vet said he thought he could see worm eggs in the sample so it was prolly that. But as the breeded said he's wormd him the day before we picked him up he couldnt worm again as the risk of od was worse than the worm effects. So he's givn me a wormr to give him Friday and some antibiotics as he says their intestines can get infected hence the blood. So it's prob the same for your pup.

Jarvis is doing my head in trying to get on the sofa. He's a trier, that's for certain grin

happygolucky0 Wed 21-Aug-13 09:24:23

Unwell. Glad she/he is on mend.
Little Jess is doing good sleeping through the night next to my bed. Starting to learn things. But...... Still wont be on her own . Are you guys leaving your pup in another room while you are home? Is your pup managing it. She is 11 weeks. I got a crate and have started to put her meals in there. She is ok until I lock it then she will just cry a lot. Am i being too hard expecting her to be alone or too soft for going to her when she isn't settled in there? Gosh it is like when son was little lol!!!! What are you doing ladies?

moosemama Wed 21-Aug-13 10:26:42

Sally, I'd hazard a guess the blood could be down to irritation from fried rice and chicken. wink Keep an eye on it though and if you see any more definitely call the vet for advice.

Pip started out in the second kitchen bed last night, but then chose to go into his crate! grin He slept from 11.00 pm to 5.00 am. Dh heard me open the back door and came downstairs to say he'd stay with Pip for the rest of the night, so I got two nice big chunks of sleep. grin

Didn't have the guts to sneak upstairs in the end, given it was the neighbour's first night back and they'd had a really long drive home. I think we're reaching the point where it won't be a problem though, as he's happy to go in the garden without me and will wait by the dog gate in the kitchen while I go upstairs and put washing away etc, without so much as a whimper.

Left him with my Mum and the dcs this morning as I had to pop across the road to the vets to pick up his antibiotics, because they accidentally left them at the main branch yesterday. Apparently he had a ball without me here to supervise and was leaping on and off the sofa biting all the cushions! shock When I got back he was curled up in his bed looking angelic. hmm

I have a gorgeous photo of Lurcherboy and Pip cuddled up together in Lurcherboy's favourite bed this morning. Dh was with them and said Pip was obviously really tired and sat there swaying with his head drooping, considering whether or not to try it, then just climbed in and curled up around (and atop) Lurcherboy's back. Dh thought Lurcherboy would object, but they both just snuggled down and went to sleep. Aw.

Dh has the usb cable in his work bag though - so can't download the picutres until he gets home.

Lurcherboy has also taken to supervising Pip in the garden. It's so cute, they kind of patrol the perimeter together, with Pip copying every sniff and movement his big brother does. grin

moosemama Wed 21-Aug-13 10:34:52

Birdmomma, she'll probably relax more with each session you attend.

Everlong, not all puppy classes are created equal. The best ones are the ones that involve some instruction, education and handling, rather than a puppy free for all, where the shy ones get battered by the confident ones. At this age they all have pretty gung-ho social skills and they really need interaction with well behaved, sociable adults to teach them the ropes, rather than being bunged into a fracas with a bunch of crazy pups. They definitely need to attend socialisation classes, as they need to be acclimatised to other dogs, noises, handling, etc but the bad ones are worse than none at all.

When I had my Soft Coated Wheaten girl back in the 90s, puppy socialisation classes were fairly new and just becoming popular. We took her to one at our vets an it was dire. There was a mix of everything from a Mastiff and St Bernard to a Chihuahua pup and the Mastiff spent the whole time terrorising and ragging all the smaller pups. My girl was one of the smaller pups, came from a big litter and soon put the Mastiff in his place, for which I got a telling off! angry We removed her from the class, as did several other owners and took her to a local dog club instead, where we did handling, health checks, basic training, grooming etc and they got to have controlled play and interaction.

Happy, have you had a go at the positive reinforcement on the Kikopup video I linked to upthread? It's worked wonders for Pip. He's now really happy in his crate and doesn't bat an eyelid at me locking the door.

birdmomma Wed 21-Aug-13 10:36:40

Everlong - the class was worth it as my DDs came too, so although I learned only a couple of things, they got some more ideas too. We need it for Autumn to socialise, she is not great around other dogs. Ours is 4 weeks long too. It was well run, and fairly useful.

Happy - Autumn also struggles to be left alone but I am building her up to a few minutes at a time.

everlong Wed 21-Aug-13 11:08:18

Right he's booked in for the next class that starts in September, he'll be 13 weeks old.

Just spoke to receptionist who said they cover basic puppy training, health, importance of socialisation etc.

moosemama Wed 21-Aug-13 11:17:22

Sounds good everlong.

Pip was booked in for a 6 week course starting the first week in September. I've pr-booked and paid in full, but he's going to miss the first two sessions now, due to his jabs being delayed. hmm

everlong Wed 21-Aug-13 11:34:43

Ah that's a shame. How old will he be when he starts them?

moosemama Wed 21-Aug-13 12:06:45

15 weeks I think so just outside the blooming critical socialisation period. <<sigh>>

All we can do in the meantime is keep carrying him out and about as much as we can for socialisation. Fortunately, he responds well to new situations and events etc, ie is initially taken aback and nervous but quickly rallies to investigate and then takes it all in his stride. Thank goodness he's not a nervy pup.

I had a large breed dog that missed a good chunk of his critical socialisation period due to illness involving bone problems in his legs and he was already far too big and heavy to carry far. As a result, he developed severe fear aggression that took a lifetime to sort out. He was a breed that was predisposed to those sorts of issues already though, fortunately Pip's predisposition appears to be typical laid back Lurcher.

Awks Wed 21-Aug-13 12:17:06

We took Jarvis to the socialisation class on Monday night and it was good. He was scared at first but at the end had made friends with a little labradoodle pup called Maisie and was playing with her. Ours is run by the vets, is 6 weeks long and £3 per session

everlong Wed 21-Aug-13 12:30:31

Moose it sounds as though you're doing a good job socialising him already, the receptionist just told me that 16 weeks is the upper age limit for a class, so Pip still has one week.

Enzo is a big puppy ( already 7kg ) and I'm finding it hard to carry him around. We are doing little bits with him and having lots of different people to the house so hopefully he will be ok.

I think I will drive to PAH later and take him for a trot round and buy him another toy!

We're taking Stanley to an outdoor shopping centre today for more socialisation. I thought it might be good to sit by the play area to get him used to small children - it's probably best if I don't leave OH there by himself lol

No doubt we'll return via PAH to spend another small fortune on toys and treats wink

Later on DD and I are going to attempt to make some liver cake for sounds utterly revolting.

I'm saving up all the socialising ideas for the future! We're starting to introduce our dog to the pups properly, they seem keen and wobble over to lean against her a bit, and she responds and licks them a bit, but the vet reccomends cat exposure and exposure to children outside the home, but to wait for cats until about 5wks. It all seems a bit early as they aren't vaccinated yet, but he put us in touch with a scout group so they can meet the puppies confused which should happen when they're 4wks, I'm just a bit nervous because you never know with some children!

Looking for a short trip out for Ollie. Do Pets at Home actually allow you to take pups in?

everlong Wed 21-Aug-13 15:44:39

Yes just back from PAH with Enzo.. lots of cuddles and attention from people.
Then went to Smyths toy shop and had lots of attention there.

Will try garden centre tomorrow.

Awks Wed 21-Aug-13 15:46:15

Do they? I didn't know that grin might go then!

Thank you. Off we go!

everlong Wed 21-Aug-13 16:04:18

Oh yes get down there grin it's good as there's lots of people, children etc who will coo over your puppy and ask to stroke him/ her plus they will probably see other dogs in there too!

SallyBear Wed 21-Aug-13 16:15:28

Toby has turned into an indoor weeing and pooing machine! He does them outside and gets loads of cheering and praise, but even with the back door permanently open he is doing them indoors. I've now switched from Anti-bac spray to vinegar and water. Every time he wakes up or has eaten, or has had a huge play I'm taking him out. I know he's only 8 weeks old, but I had hoped that he'd be using the puppy pads which are everywhere!!

Any words of wisdom?

everlong Wed 21-Aug-13 16:23:49

I wouldn't use the puppy pads if I'm honest. What I do is keep the back door shut but take him outside after every drink, meal, as soon as he wakes up, as soon as he gets down from a cuddle and every 15 minutes otherwise if he's awake.

It's hard work at first but they soon cotton on that outside is for toilet.

Don't despair as you say he's only young.

moosemama Wed 21-Aug-13 16:32:06

Thanks Everlong. I think I will always worry I'm not doing enough, because of my past experience.

TMB I make liver cake for Lurcherboy. I'm vegetarian and it literally makes me heave and almost lose my lunch. Bleugh! My advice is to add plenty of garlic, as it really stinks when it's cooking without it. Don't give him too many pieces though, as even small amounts of offal can have a less than pleasant effect on their digestion.

Roasted, the more gentle handling they get at this stage the better. If you Google early socialisation you should be able to find some ideas to help guide you. This APBC article is very good.

I took both Lurcherboy and Pip to PAH at the weekend. Lurcherboy is normally really well behaved and totally relaxed, but he was beside himself with joy at being in a shop full of dog food and treats and was really naughty for dh (who was holding his lead while I carried Pip). He was even more excited when he spotted the guinea pigs - from the other side of the store. Fortunately he managed to restrain himself from actually going to visit them, but the way he was looking at them was slightly disconcerting to say the least! shock Sometimes him being a sighthound isn't so great. hmm

moosemama Wed 21-Aug-13 16:34:43

Sally, were you using anti-bax or specific pet accident cleaner?

You need something biological to break down the scent or he will just keep being attracted back there to do it again. The best stuff we've found is called Simple Solution - they sell it a PAH.

The only other alternative is biological washing liquid in very hot water.

SallyBear Wed 21-Aug-13 17:23:14

Moose - So you don't think vinegar and water then?? I knew bleach was a nono. I've got persil bio washing powder. I can make a solution with that. Would that work we have no carpeting downstairs only laminate.

Thanks moose and liver cake doesn't sound that...nice.

moosemama Wed 21-Aug-13 18:07:37

Sally, it needs to be a proper biocide, because dogs' noses are so ridiculously sensitive, they can still smell it weeks after we've cleaned up, unless every tiny scrap of biological material has been broken down. Anything else just dilutes the smell and spreads it around, then if you walk on the floor, you will spread the scent on your feet/shoes/slippers.

Persil bio would do it, but I've always found the specific cleaners much more effective than bio washing stuff myself.

Roasted, we have a friend from waaay back at Uni who tried my garlic liver cake and said it's lovely and would I make some for him. I declined. hmm That said, he iscompletely bonkers. grin

everlong Wed 21-Aug-13 18:13:14

Moose try not to worry. Every little thing you do is good for Pip. It's all helping.
What breed was your other dog?

moosemama Wed 21-Aug-13 18:26:38

Boxer x GSD. He was huge, weighing in at almost 9 stone at his heaviest and daft as a brush with us, our dogs and anyone he knew from a pup, but truly terrified of everyone/thing else. On top of his breeding, he was rescued from a puppy farm, so not the best start on top of the potential breed related issues.

We did a lot of work with him over the years and he improved massively, to the point that other people wouldn't have realised he was fear aggressive, but he took over our life for so many years and it was a really tough time for us while we were going through it.

everlong Wed 21-Aug-13 18:33:00

That's so sad. But how you helped him overcome his fears is a credit to you. My cocker was from a back yard breeder who had numerous bitches in pup when we went to get her. She had been left in the shed for 7 weeks and was terrified of everything for a long time.

moosemama Wed 21-Aug-13 18:55:53

It was because of him that I ended up going to college to do canine studies and got properly involved in dogs. Everything I know about dogs is as a result of having him. He really was the most beautiful dog, in both body and soul. It used to break my heart that most people never got to meet the real him. sad

everlong Wed 21-Aug-13 19:53:55

Gorgeous smile

happygolucky0 Wed 21-Aug-13 21:36:14

Thank you for the link to the utube training that will be useful. I am over the mood today as Jess has let me leave her indoors for 15 mins without crying while I waited in the garden . That is such progress.
I have been using washing liquid to clean up any wee indoors. It seems to be doing the trick as she goes wherever if she does go indoors. I take her out on waking around 30 mins after eating and every hour. Mostly goes outside now. It's been 6 days.

SallyBear Wed 21-Aug-13 22:14:44

So DH is off to heathrow at 3.30am and wants an early night. So I've scooped a passed out Toby off the floor and put him his crate, locked the door and snuck out the lounge thinking that because he'd been to the loo 20 minutes earlier it was safe to go upstairs. Where's DH? Downstairs of course - better not be waking up Toby! I'm full anticipating being up with him in the middle of the night, just thought that DH recognised the need to get to bed quickly without waking him up!!confused

Success! Puppies have started to lap (which means I don't have to get up in the night) and because of that, we're going to bring weaning forward. Hopefully this means no getting up every few hours to feed them, as they'll be able to go all night without food eventually. It's nice to be able to put in the formula, watch them lap it up and be able to relax knowing I don't have to crouch over and fiddle with bottles.

Yay Roasted - enjoy your sleep smile

SallyBear Thu 22-Aug-13 08:36:21

Well DH took ages doing his out of office stuff that by the time he got to bed Toby had woken up. He then whined for about five minutes before I pathetically caved and went downstairs to him and let him out. I slept on the sofa with Toby lying on the floor up against the sofa. He woke up at 1.30 for a wee came back to bed and then got up and rushed to the back door to squat to do a poo, I quickly got the door unlocked and popped him outside where he did a poo in the garden! Hooray (celebrating the small stuff!). Then back to sleep next to me (in the floor still) until 4.15 when DH was leaving for Heathrow and did another wee before coming back to his actual bed to sleep. I was woken up at 6.30 by DS3 and Toby looking expectantly for their breakfast. Toby now fast asleep in his bed. He only did one accident overnight. Phew!

SallyBear Thu 22-Aug-13 08:37:01

I'm now obsessed with toileting and beds.... Can't think why?! wink

JaxTellerIsAllMine Thu 22-Aug-13 08:55:51

yippeeeeeeeeeee 3 nights of accident free puppiness.

To answer a few questions.

I dont use puppy pads, it confuses the dogs - they learn to go on the pad, then you have to train them to go outside. So, in my experience, its twice the teaching!

I have a crate - it has a piece of vet bed in, a snuggly baby blanket, a chew toy and thats it. I have the crate door open during the day and he can go in and out at his leisure, sometimes he sleeps in there, mostly he sleeps on my German Shepherds enormous bed. Its hilarious to see my big dog sleep on the floor or my sofa whilst Olly is sprawled on this super kingsize bed. grin

In the evening Olly comes in the lounge and has a cuddle on sofa and lies on a cushion. Then at bedtime he goes in his crate after bedtime wees/poos gets a milky biscuit and door closed and locked.

his crate is in dining room, next to big dogs bed so has company and so far so good.

I have looked into puppy classes and will go investigate later.

Puppy has sneezed a few times over the past few days but is fine in himself, no runny eyes or nose but I know the pollen count is high, so poss hayfever? Any suggestions welcome...

Jax I've had horrendous hay fever the past few days, so Olly has my sympathies!

tanley slept from midnight until 8:30 this morning when we woke him up. He ran straight to the back door, ran out and did a wee and a poo - fingers crossed we might be getting somewhere with toilet training.

SallyBear Thu 22-Aug-13 09:14:28

Jealous!!! He's only been here since Sunday, and he's only 8 weeks old. Hoping to make some progress, even though he's done 3 wees indoors already. The puppy pads seem to be ignored by him so I'm seriously wondering if they're worth using at all.

everlong Thu 22-Aug-13 09:19:53

I'm loving this nice weather for toilet training, makes it so much easier!

I scared Enzo badly last night, feel awful. He was lying on me fast asleep whilst I watched Luther. There was a horrible, freaky scene that made me jump and scream. Poor Enzo he jumped up and cried, his little heart beating fast and was all nervous, looking around for about 10 mins.

Apparently this breed is very sensitive to loud noises blush I'd better be mindful of this!

moosemama Thu 22-Aug-13 09:20:48

Aw, starting to lap on their own. Roasted they're really coming on. smile

Sally, sounds like an active, but successful night.

Jax, yay for accident free nights. I think the pollen count is most likely to be behind the sneezing. So many people seem to be suffering, it makes sense for it to be affecting dogs as well.

Pip's consistently going from 10.30/11.00 till 5.00 am now, so we really need to start sneaking upstairs, but I'm so worried about him waking the neighbours. <<pathetic wibble>> They are lovely, but have already been so patient about Lurcherboy's howling with his Separation Anxiety that I don't want them to think we're taking the proverbial P.

I had to wrestle a bonio type dog biscuit from Pip yesterday. He found it at the top of our garden and as we don't buy them and it wasn't there the day before, I can only assume next door's teenagers (neighbours on the other side) or one of their friends must have thrown it over. I'm hoping there was nothing wrong with it and they thought they were being kind, but not great considering he's on an exclusion diet. Odd thing to do though - especially as they don't have a dog themselves, so where did they get a dog biscuit from?

moosemama Thu 22-Aug-13 09:25:46

Sally we only used puppy pads for the first weekend, as the foster mum had them and it was one step better than him going on the carpet. As soon as he'd been outside a few times we removed all the pads, except the one right by the back door in case he get's caught short and/or we don't manage to open the door in time.

Toby, is still so new and little. It will come, just keep on taking him outside at every opportunity and reinforcing him when he goes and make sure you have properly cleaned everywhere inside with biological cleaner.

Aw, poor Enzo, but it's not a bad thing, as he survived and you were there to comfort him, so all good socialisation really if you think about it.

We're having fun having to syringe antibiotics into Pip twice a day. Dh did it on his own this morning - I guessed he had by the loud yelp. sad

SallyBear Thu 22-Aug-13 09:37:34

It seems worse on a wet day. Currently huddled under patio brolly while he's gallivanting through flower beds.

moosemama Thu 22-Aug-13 10:23:39

Agreed - at least we didn't wait until Autumn/Winter to get our pups. It would be so much worse then. Imagine house training in the snow and ice. <<shivers at the thought>>

My older dog is sneezing because of pollen Jax and yay to the accident free nights!

Moose that's one of the reasons we got a puppy in summer - that and the fact DD is off school to puppy sit grin

SallyBear Thu 22-Aug-13 10:55:10

Second feed of the day and it was scoffed quickly. There's a break in the rain so I'm outside while he savages a rubbery squeaky toy. I have not done anything other than trail around after him clearing up, removing exciting and illegal things to chew (including toes) and making sure that he behaves himself. I haven't managed to get upstairs to see how DD us this morning, which is bad so I'm going to make her twin take over from me while I rush upstairs. It's like a baby all over again but in a concentrated version! grin

everlong Thu 22-Aug-13 11:10:29

Sat outside in the sun.. cat on my lap, puppy chewing his sausage rope, old dog sunbathing, cup of tea


Yy to be glad of summer puppy to!

moosemama Thu 22-Aug-13 12:15:19

It does calm down a bit Sally. The first few days were like that for us too, but now I've got to know him a bit I'm getting used to his little routines and habits and can pretty much predict where he's going to go and what his favourite naughty moves are - although obviously he still manages to catch me out every so often!

Everlong envy it's rainy and muggy here today.

everlong Thu 22-Aug-13 12:35:21

You're so right Moose. Those first 3 days you think wtf have I done and especially in the long holidays but it very quickly loses that mad feeling.
Enzo has been here 2 weeks tomorrow and it feels like he belongs, I already love him.
He's still stealing shoes and socks mind grin

SallyBear Thu 22-Aug-13 13:54:59

My mother just told me that I'm a puppy bore...... This was after I told her that her enormous Labrador would have to wait another two weeks before coming over to meet Toby.

everlong Thu 22-Aug-13 14:18:42

Oh dear grin

Do you mean because he isn't vaccinated? My vet said we could invite vaccinated dogs to our house garden for Enzo to meet confused

SallyBear Thu 22-Aug-13 14:41:53

He's vaccinated but hasn't had the second shot and tbh Ella is a pita so I'm happy to wait for him to get a little bigger, and she doesn't live here so there will be time enough for that in a week or two.

moosemama Thu 22-Aug-13 15:28:23

I'm a puppy bore too Sally, we can all be puppy bores together in here.

I've got horrible pmt and an approaching migraine today and ended up both shouting at and crying all over dh when he phoned at lunch time.

I'm really worried that we're not doing enough socialisation with Pip and he's gone and booked up the whole weekend. He's working all day Friday and holding one of his work related user groups until very late Friday evening. Has a friend coming over to help him weld the campervan on Saturday (meaning I will have to spend all day Friday cleaning, plus come up with something to feed his friend on Saturday, as he's actually doing us a huge favour) is actually home Sunday, but has a list of chores he wants to get done at home and is working Bank Holiday Monday. hmm

I don't drive and Pip is getting so heavy to carry, so is only getting to see the same places in and around the village all week.

On a less grumpy/pathetic note, we've moved from giving him 7/8 feeds a day in his bowl to giving him breakfast, lunch and dinner in his bowl and making him work for the rest via clicker training. We've been doing lots on settling quietly in his crate with the door closed, as that's what I'm most concerned about due to having to leave him for school runs in a couple of weeks.

I've also discovered that I can use his probiotic paste to help stick the chicken pieces into his kong, which means we're up to about 10 minutes for kong empyting at the moment.

Think I'm going to curl up and watch some Kikopup videos for a bit now he's fed, played with, trained and finally sleeping curled up next to Lurcherboy at my feet.

everlong Thu 22-Aug-13 15:35:39

Try not to worry moose thanks

Could you invite people with children round for a play?

Or just stand outside so he can see and hear traffic?

SallyBear Thu 22-Aug-13 15:38:13

Toby asleep in the crate. I've locked him in it, only because he's so tired I want him to stay rather than escape for 20 minutes. He slept in it with the door shut late morning and now with the bolt slid over for the past ten minutes. All I want to do is empty the dishwasher and restack it!!

SallyBear Thu 22-Aug-13 16:43:12

I'm standing in the utility room folding washing and guess who's asleep ON my feet?!

moosemama Thu 22-Aug-13 17:06:37

We have a couple of children coming round next week to play with the dcs. Different ages, 4 year old to play with dd, her 9 year old brother to play with ds2 and ds1's best friend who is 11. None of them are very confident around dogs though, so I don't know how they'll react to a bonkers puppy.

I have done a fair bit of taking him up to the end of the drive to watch the traffic. We live on a very busy road though, so he sees traffic every time we go out. So far he's only been fazed by the bin lorry and a very noisy motorbike that shot past us on the way to the vets. He did a parrot impression at the motorbike and tried to climb onto my shoulder. confused

I know I'm being too stressy about the socialisation thing, PMT is probably making it worse, so hopefully I'll be feeling better by tomorrow. hmm

I've watched loads of Kikopup videos this afternoon and feel better that at least I'm getting the clicker training aspect right, although it has made me feel that perhaps I should be working on more behaviours.

Sally, that's what I've been doing, just shutting the door when he's very sleepy and wants to be in there or making it as attractive an option as possible using clicker training, his nylabone or a stuffed kong. He's come on in leaps and bounds and we no longer have the loud screaming every time he's in there and I dare to step out of the doorway. Leaving him for 20 minutes for the school run seems an awful big jump at this point though.

SallyBear Thu 22-Aug-13 17:23:37

Moose my school run - 4 kids to 3 schools round trip in the car takes me 50 minutes. I'm dreading leaving him, and today he discovered the stairs. Oh bugger.

moosemama Thu 22-Aug-13 17:35:06

Can you take him in the car with you Sally or do you have to do the whole lining up in the playground thing?

Ironically, last year would have been a quicker school run for me, as dd's nursery is the closest door to the school entrance and the boys pretty much ran off as soon as I dropped them in the morning anyway - although I had three a day instead of two, as dd was afternoon nursery.

This year, dd is in reception and you have to walk around the whole of the school perimeter to get there and then they're always late taking them in and letting them out - and they've changed the school timetable so that the Juniors are going in earlier as well.

I used to be able to be there and back in about 12 minutes on a good day, now it's going to be at least 20.

I wouldn't be so worried if we didn't have attached neighbours to be honest, although obviously I don't want Pip getting distressed and building up to Separation Anxiety like Lurcherboy did after we lost Oldgirl.

We had the letter confirming ds1's transport this morning. We have to call the transport company to find out what his pick up and drop off times are and find out who his driver and escort will be. I am so nervous about it, not least of all because the SENCO at his new school said our LA use the cheapest possible option and they've had no end of trouble with them. hmm

I just want everyone back at school now so I can stop stressing and get into some sort of routine. Then I start to feel sad, when I remember I won't have my little girl with me for half the day anymore. sad

SallyBear Thu 22-Aug-13 17:52:39

I am very lucky in that I don't have to do that anymore thankfully! DS4 is at a Special School and I won't do school transport as it would be too time restrictive, so I drop off/collect etc. All three schools finish at the same time. It's a 15 mile round trip to get them all, so in the morning it's the twins at 8.25/30 at their sec school, ds3 at his Primary at 8.40 and DS4 at 9am at his Sp Sch. They all finish at 3.15 so its the reverse of the drop off. DS3 waits in the school office and the twins just loiter.

I hadn't thought about taking him with me as SallyBear hated the car, always did from her first trip. DH works from home when he's not travelling in Europe, so I suppose there's no reason why I can't, besides I can take him out for different walks rather than the same one every day. smile What an inspired idea Moosegrin

SallyBear Thu 22-Aug-13 18:02:41

Just added a new photo of small pup onto my profile if anyone is interested.

Sally he's gorgeous! What a lovely photo.

moosemama Thu 22-Aug-13 19:23:03

Oh just look at his gorgeous face - how could you refuse him anything with eyes like those? grin

He's such a cute dog! envy

I've put a new photo of Stanley on my profile - I can't believe how quickly he's changing, he's gone much darker and looks less like a puppy every day sad.

moosemama Thu 22-Aug-13 20:10:55

Aw TMB, he still looks like a puppy to me - and like Toby, he's doing a great job working the huge eyed, mournful look. grin

At least he started out looking like a puppy. Pip has always just looked like a miniature lurcher.

Dh and ds1 just took Pip for a socialisation carry around the village. He managed to venture further than I could, despite Pip's increasing weight. They met a cat, that apparently Pip was terrified of and visited the level crossing to see the trains going past, as well as actually standing on the bridge while a train went under them - to which he didn't bat an eyelid.

So little furry cats = terrifying. Enormous, noisy, smelly, high-speed trains = no problem at all. confused

Stanley looks adorable and very puppy like.

Well, our weaning started earlier than it was meant to! I vomited suddenlt (pregnancy related) very suddenly, couldn't even reach the bathroom which was through the room with the puppies- who are now roaming free, they don't get far- and the youngest, Callie, managed to gulp some down. hmm Not the solid food I was hoping to introduce her too.


Oh, Callie revomited it. Still going to have to wait a whole week to wean, I think.

SallyBear Thu 22-Aug-13 20:46:53

Gorgeous Stanley!

Awks Fri 23-Aug-13 07:27:25

Morning, glad everyone is well and am loving the cute puppy pictures! puppies seem to be settling down don't they, it's nice to see them do different stuff every day.

Jarvis goes to bed in his crate at 11 and we get up at 6 and he's clean now but that's the good news. in the day it's a different story. He wee's in the sitting room in front of us and believe me I take him into the garden every ten minutes to wee and usually he does a dribble there for me too. I have no idea what to do (when he wees indoors I say noloudly pick him up and put him on the back door step outside without acknowledging him while I claen it up). Any ideas what to do?

Have ordered some clickers from amazon so am wondering if that might help?

JaxTellerIsAllMine Fri 23-Aug-13 07:38:23

I got to sleep until 7 today! When the alarm went off. Was so pleased that pup hadn't cried for loo & dry again... Until dh said that he got up about 2 & took him to loo. But it was because dh couldn't sleep not because Olly cried. Anyway I'm calling it a massive victory. grin

brewbrewbrewbrew For all the pupstar mums

Can't believe how much my hairy baby has grown in a few weeks!

birdmomma Fri 23-Aug-13 08:40:41

Gorgeous puppy pics everyone. Sadly it IS Winter here, so our toilet training hasn't been as fun as yours, although nowhere near as bad as a UK winter.

I slightly lost my rag at Autumn today as she had 2 very annoying hours where she got into every sort of mischief possible - she found slippers, and eyeliner, chased our more nervous cat, shredded a log from the fire basket, tried to kill her bedding, learned how to jump on the sofa and developed selective hearing. I kept offering her toys that she could play with, a pig ear chew, took her for a walk, but it took her ages to calm down. I shouted at her for the first ever time when she chased the cat, then felt really bad. Sigh.

SallyBear Fri 23-Aug-13 09:05:25

Parent fail again! Went to bed with him asleep and then he woke up at 1.30, rushed upstairs to find us. DH went down and waited with him to go back to sleep after taking him to the loo. Cue 4am, I get up to go to the loo, getting back into bed when is feel a warm hairy body. We are both tired so just go and bring his bed upstairs and a pad. He slept until 6.30 then went down for breakie and a wee/poo. But! He didn't make a mess in the house ALL night!

moosemama Fri 23-Aug-13 09:48:25

Awks, when he goes in front of you. Instead of just putting him on the doorstep and not acknowledging him, take him right to the place you want him to go and wait there with him till he goes (he should need to if you interrupted him) then treat and praise like mad. He isn't understanding what you mean by putting him outside. Have you given him a toiletting cue yet? That might help, as once you've paired the cue with the act he should go immediately when you need him to.

If he's wandering off, getting distracted and not weeing, you could try putting him on the lead while you wait for him to wee, to make it as boring as possible, then loads of fun after he's done it, iyswim.

birdmomma, sounds like a typical puppy mad-one. It either means she was actually tired and not able to calm down enough to rest or she had loads of extra stored up energy she needed to dispense with. Best thing to do if she won't respond to toys or training at those times is keep her confined to the safest possible area or perhaps out in the garden and just watch over her.

Sally - that is one clever puppy you have there! grin

Pip slept from 11.00 pm until 6.30 am last night! grin grin grin Dh was downstairs with him, but tonight's the night for us trying leaving him after he's fallen asleep. <<wibble>>

Awks I came on to moan about toilet training too. Stanley just doesn't seem to be getting it. I praise and treat like mad when he goes outside, then I turn my back for a second and he pees in the kitchen, having gone past the open door to the garden. I'm getting fed up of constantly cleaning up!

SallyBear Fri 23-Aug-13 10:45:57

Sally and Monty both slept upstairs in our room at night. They had upstairs and downstairs beds. They never messed in the house apart from the initial puppy training. I think that yes Toby is clever, and I am working on him following me at my heel off the lead in the garden. Scarily picked it up very fast. Sally took ages, but then she was a very blonde Labrador....

I've just come back from the train station as DH and DD are off to GOSH, leaving him with the boys. Didn't wimper once and took himself out to the loo.

So far, so far, so far there has been no mess in the house. This time yesterday I'd already cleared up 7 wees. Oh and I've been telling him to 'go out for a tiddle' and when he does a wee/poo I've said 'good wee-wee/poo-poo Toby' and then given him a treat and lots of ear ruffling. I think we maybe getting there!! Phew!

moosemama Fri 23-Aug-13 11:53:57

TMB, Just a thought. When you take him out, do you get him to follow you or do you carry him? If you're carrying him, even for a large percentage of the trips, he won't be committing the route to memory.

To be honest, we spent most of our time going in and out, in and out, even when he didn't need to go last week so he learned the route to the toilet area.

Pip 12 weeks tomorrow and doing really well with his house training generally, but he squatted on the living room carpet earlier today. I just interrupted him as soon as he squatted, said a firm no and took him outside to where I wanted him to go. It took a few minutes, probably because he was a bit unsure after being interrupted by me, but then he started to look like he might, so I gave him the cue, he went and got lots praise and fuss for it.

Some pups just take a little longer to develop sufficient bladder control, others struggle to put together all the pieces of what they need to do ie, realise I feel like I need a wee, head towards back door, go outside, head to toilet area, do a wee. It's a lot for an 8 week old pup to take in, but just like potty training, even though different dcs do it at different ages, it will come with time.

Sally, it sounds like you are doing great.

SallyBear Fri 23-Aug-13 12:36:03

Moose I am not sure if I'm doing great or if he's a lot more savvy than I am. Anyway we are pleased and I know that we still need to be vigilant of his movements around the house to keep reinforcing outside means toilet, inside means bed and clean. The breeder rang me last night and said to keep his bowls outside so that he has to go out for a drink. That seems to have worked and also lifting all bowls after 6.30pm. Every time he does the right thing it's like cheerleading practice here!

Awks Fri 23-Aug-13 16:38:18

Thanks for the advice - trouble is he does such teeny tiny wees. It's like I'm taking him out too often he never gets chance to do a full one so the bits he does on the floor are so short I am not interrupting him, he's already done! Doing ok today though so far.

TMB is's quite demoralising, isn't it? But I am sure there are many more stupid and uncaring people than us who manage to housetrain dogs.

SallyBear Fri 23-Aug-13 17:04:31

When you praise him for weeping outside are you doing it while he is doing it or once he's finished? I realised that saying it to him whilst he was doing it was distracting him, so once he's finished ie moved away I praise him. Also moving the water bowl outside made a difference to him.

SallyBear Fri 23-Aug-13 17:04:48

Weeping?! Weeing!

moosemama Fri 23-Aug-13 17:08:15

Ah, now Pip does massive torrents, so that's probably also got something to do with why I an interrupt him.

Perhaps you are taking him out too often? Pip only goes about once an hour now, unless he's just woken from a nap. He needs to learn to hold it, so perhaps you could try starting to leave it an extra couple of minutes each time, building it up gradually?

I get this 'praise the good and ignore the bad' thing, really I do. However, it's not easy when Ollie is in a playful mood and clamps his sharp little teeth into the sofa / my clothes / me! Is removal by the scruff of the neck totally unacceptable?!!!

moosemama Fri 23-Aug-13 19:07:43

MOG, there are several things you can do

1. Interrupt and distract, so either have a pocketful of treats constantly and reward as soon as he turns away from whatever you want him to leave or get him really keyed into a particular noisy toy that you can use to distract him away from things you don't want him to have.

2. You can condition an interrupting sound using a clicker or similar positive reinforcement process. (There's a Kikopup video on this.)

Basically, you decide on a noise that you'd like to use to get the pup to leave whatever it's doing and look at you, then you can more easily redirect the undesirable behaviour without any negative reinforcement.

3. Work really hard on training the 'leave', but it takes a bit of time before it's reliable enough to add the cue and your sofa may well have already suffered by then.

moosemama Fri 23-Aug-13 19:10:43

Forgot to say. Pip is at his most 'Landsharky' just after he wakes from a nap. He seems to want to run around biting absolutely everything he can reach at those times (it was my Mother this afternoon and that didn't go down at all well blush).

I tend to whoosh him straight out to the garden, play lots of running up and down games, and throw in a quick clicker training session to get rid of the excess energy. It definitely helps.

Awks Fri 23-Aug-13 20:06:47

I think maybe my staring at him in a weird smiley fashion when he's weeing might put him off. I'm sort of trying to bend down to see if he's actually weeing though grin

Anyway fuckit I am doing my best and he's happy. But have discovered carrots. One half carrot = 10 minutes peace. My friends, I share that with you ha ha

Awks Fri 23-Aug-13 20:09:02

And I shut Jarvis in his crate for half hour just now and went in the bath grin

SallyBear Fri 23-Aug-13 20:16:39

Toby had two carrots today. Ate one and mouthed the others in a demented fashion as it dared to roll away from him! Much hilarity watching him trying to 'kill' a basketball. Think my Toby is going to be a bit of a barker. Oops.

moosemama Fri 23-Aug-13 20:24:22

I knew there had to be some advantage to having a puppy with ridiculously long legs. I am never in any doubt at all when Pip is weeing. grin

I tried Pip with a carrot before he went on his exclusion diet - he looked at me with utter disgust and walked away. hmm All my other dogs have always loved eating fruit and veggies, particularly carrots and apples, but not Pip - it seems for him it has to be fresh meat or nothing. Spoiled puppy alert!

Half an hour of peace while you had a bath! envy envy envy

Dh is out tonight and I have hardly had chance to sit down for more than two minutes, as Pip slept for ages this afternoon and is now on a trouble finding mission. hmm Hopefully this means he will sleep through for longer again tonight though?

moosemama Fri 23-Aug-13 20:26:22

Sally, Pip is scared of ds2's old Thomas the Tank Engine football. He's fine until it starts rolling, then he seems convinced it must be possessed to be moving on it's own! grin

He's fine with other balls, even other footballs. I think it must be Thomas's face that he finds disturbing.

everlong Fri 23-Aug-13 20:29:52

TooMany sorry to hear about the constant peeing. It can be monotonous at first but I reckon you can crack this pretty quick if you take him out more frequent .

As soon as he wakes up.
As soon as he's had a drink or food.
After he's been playing, mooching around.

Basically every 15 to 20 minutes of awake time.

Keep at it I'm sure he's nearly there <offers kitchen roll>