Are you a Greyhound, Whippet or Lurcher owner? Come and have a seat on another new Pointy Hounds cushion!

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TheCunnyFunt Thu 13-Jun-13 10:18:28

Pointy hounds include-
Greyhounds (Grunds)
Whippets (Whippys)
Lurchers
Italian Greyhounds (Iggys)
Salukis
Afghans
And any others I have forgotten. If you are a new pointy hound owner, an old and experienced owner or looking into getting one of these fabulous creatures, come and have a seat (that's not taken up with a hound grin).

Share stories, advice and shopping tips!
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Come The Day
Come the day I take that final bend,
Can I count on you to be my friend?
To see I’m treated just and fair,
It means so much to know you care.

For, what the future holds in store,
Now that I can race no more,
Should be addressed for every hound,
Who parts the punter from his pound.

Tell them I don’t ask for much,
A kindly word, a gentle touch,
Somewhere warm to lay my head,
A meal each day to keep me fed,
Not just life- but quality,
This is how it ought to be.

Do not see me swept away,
I long to live another day,
With peace of mind, tranquillity,
And those who care surrounding me,
So tell them all- you have that choice,
I beg of you to be my voice.

By Denise Dubarbier.

MagratGarlik Thu 13-Jun-13 12:21:55

<<settles down on the cushion. Gets pushed off the cushion by two pointy dogs. Settles down on the floor next to the cushion. Pointy dogs look satisfied and start snoring>>

Thanks for the new thread smile

Billy is going absolutely mental over his ball, we've been limiting his time with it as he gets so worn out!

Nelly is back at the vets so I can pick her up this evening and then will decide whether to keep her here or to take her to the country park and find a quiet spot to sprinkle her ashes.

Still no sign of cat, although they seem to be able to get out of the at flap if I lock it to in only so she may have been in and then escaped! All food gone and there was only one left this morning, two were in when we went to bed!

mistlethrush Thu 13-Jun-13 12:35:45

We've got mistlehound one of those heavy duty dog balls with the built in handles.. but she prefers the cheap inflatable balls that were bought for DS years ago from Wilkinsons... they dance about much better and move when you pounce on them.

He's popped 4 of the boys balls so we bought him this one, its very noisy on the patio but he can chuck around amazingly well!

<<Can't find cushion because Norty Minx has taken it upstairs and is nesting on it>>

A new cushion! Hurrah! Hello all.

Cinnamon, sorry about Nelly. We still have the ashes of our two who we lost last year. I know where we want to scatter them (their favourite beaches and parks) but we are in no rush - I just don't feel ready yet. We actually took our old girl's ashes with us when we went on holiday last year, as I'd intended to scatter them on her favourite beach, but when the time came, I just couldn't do it. Perfectly happy to wait smile

We took Callie to class for the first time last night. She really enjoyed it, and very quickly established the connection between clicker and cheese. grin

moosemama Thu 13-Jun-13 19:01:30

I was watching the old thread on thread's I'm on - until I remembered I had actually checked in this morning and noticed Cunny had started a new one. blush

<<Tries unsuccessfully to find a vacant corner on the cushion. Finding it full of lanky legged pointy hounds, gives up and assumes usual position on the floor.>>

Cinnamon, I have oldgirl's ashes in the corner of the living room at the moment. We will be taking her to Ireland with us this summer and scattering her ashes on her favourite beach. We've taken our last three dogs and my Dad's terrier there and as it was my Dad's local beach and where he always walked with both his own dog and all the dogs he dog-sat for, I like to imagine them all running free with him, having a ball up and down the sand dunes, chasing endless frisbees. I'm sure, if Dad is anywhere he's there - and feel the same about all the dogs that have loved that beach over the years. smile I like to hike all the way up to the farthest point each year (where none of the tourists go) and sit on the white sands with just the seals for company while I chat to them all and remind them that I still think of them all every day.

Scuttle - I love it when you see the lightbulb go on on when they first start clicker training.

Lurcherboy has today discovered the very beneficial connection between gluten-free hotdog and three peeps on the whistle. grin He's never had hotdog before and coincidentally wink I have never seen such fast recalls - he had trouble putting on the brakes in time to stop himself knocking me over! grin

I have today purchased no fewer than 4 kongs and a treat dispensing ufo thingy. Was going to get a buster cube, but decided to try something cheaper first.

Made the mistake of freezing his kong today - he was wholeheartedly unimpressed and gave up trying after about 3 seconds. hmm I waited for it to defrost and gave him a lesson in throwing it around to release the food, as he always takes it to his bed and hugs it instead. He was very grateful for any bits that fell out when I bounced it, but as soon as I stopped he took it back to his bed. hmm Daft dog! Hoping the kibble dispensing toy might help him get the idea.

moosemama Fri 14-Jun-13 13:15:23

Well, he started howling 3 minutes after I left to take dd to nursery today and kept it up for the next ten minutes. Roughly a howl a minute, punctuated by the odd abrupt bark.

I've now been home 45 minutes, had to take 2 phonecalls successively and not a murmur from him the whole time, despite the door being closed.

He's happy to stay in the kitchen with the door shut, happy to lie in his bed in the kitchen with me in the other room. He's not following me around the house or desperate to be 'with me'. Not your typical SA case at all, as he just isn't showing all the usual signs of over-attachment.

I don't know what else to try.

Neighbour was in when he did it as well, just to make it even worse. sad

MagratGarlik Fri 14-Jun-13 13:32:04

Jessie is fast asleep next to me and her tail is wagging in her sleep smile

moosemama Sun 16-Jun-13 21:35:46

Where has everyone gone? All off having fantastic pointy-hound filled weekends?

We have been out all day at Dovedale in the Peak District having a birthday picnic with all my friends. Beautiful sunshine, lots of food and a thoroughly good day all round. Lurcherboy managed to fall off the steppingstones into the water grin but had a good time saying hello to lots of dogs of every size shape and gender and was an angel with a very fully on puppy who literally leaped on his head as a form of greeting.

The weird thing was that he then either barked or growled (very quietly) on two separate occasions, when we were all sitting down resting, as two of the same dogs he'd previously said really nice hello's to walked towards us.

He did a similar thing on Friday afternoon when I was walking him, trying to outrun a thunder storm. Just fixed on a labrador that was on the other side of the field and started staring and prancing, then when we got about 200 yards away did a loud bark at it - even though the other dog hadn't even noticed him and was actually facing away from us at the time. confused I had put it down to the thunderstorm, as he seemed off and to be honest a proper arse all day on Friday, but now I'm not so sure.

Today he was lying quietly by the car while we all scoffed ice-creams after coming back from the walk, when a dalmation he'd met shortly before was being walked towards us. Dalmation looked calm and relaxed, but lurcherboy started a low growl - for which I told to be quiet and he shut up and went back to sleep. The dalmation then walked within half a foot of him and he didn't even bother to look up. He didn't bother to get up when he growled, just lay there - looked in the direction of the other dog and growled.

He also barked just once at a labrador he'd met quite happily not long before, when we stopped for a rest halfway up the hill - so again when he was lying with us all and again he didn't even bother to get up from lying on his side.

Can't help thinking it must be something to do with him feeling the need to be on sentry duty. I'm assuming he always left that to oldgirl in the past (although little did he know she couldn't have been less interested in what was going on outside our group and had almost zero interest in other dogs).

I told him to be quiet on both occasions and he seemed happy to accept that and return to off-duty mode - so perhaps he just needs to be reminded that he doesn't have that responsibility a few times until he gets the message.

I was going to say its probably because he's protecting you moosemama! My friend has a bedlington terrier who was attacked by a dog while my friend was pregnant and since then she's very aggressive with other dogs and barks at anyone at the door but only when they're home! I can tell if they are out because she quiet when you ring the bell! But the guy at the kennel they put her in days she never barks at other dogs when there so seems she only barks when her people are around sad

Billy is much better with food now and he's relaxing at home more now, so not jumping up every time I do. He seems better with cats, who are getting braver! He seems ok while they are there but once they go out of sight he goes mad. We turned the light off last night to see if it made a difference to his early wakings (usually between 4 and 5am) and he didn't make a sound until I got up to go the loo at 6.30. Hoping its not a coincidence! Still not seen Molly but hoping I will get some info from flyers I've printed. Went for a long run today so left Billy home and walked him first but he ran with me yesterday which was good, even if early. Took him to my mums and he ran around like a total loon for first 20 mins!

moosemama Sun 16-Jun-13 21:58:19

I'm pretty sure that's it Cinnamon, but he seems happy for me to take over and immediately goes back into relaxed mode as soon as I check him for it, so hopefully it's just another area he needs lots of reinforcement to adjust to after losing oldgirl as his guide.

moosemama Sun 16-Jun-13 22:20:59

Lost half my post somehow? confused

Sounds like Billy is starting to relax and enjoy his new home and family.

Sorry to hear Molly still hasn't turned up. Hope the flyers help bring her home soon.

Onetwo34 Mon 17-Jun-13 14:20:35

Hello, I am collecting my whippet puppy in... three weeks now. Eek!

I spotted the thread so thought I would say hello and also, I thought you might have some good ideas for whippet names here. Lots of dog names don't sound right, they're too... plump (?) sounding somehow. I have Basil and Percy on the table at the moment...
And - what size crate should I get? Any recommendations of a particular brand?

mistlethrush Mon 17-Jun-13 14:48:36

I think that Basil and Percy are both ideal. Alfred is along similar lines. Can't help with crates as I've never used one (but they do sound ideal, particularly for puppies)

MagratGarlik Mon 17-Jun-13 15:00:59

Basil sounds ace for a whippet. It makes me think of John Cleese, who is thin and leggy. I could imagine Ron the whippet as well for similar reasons (i.e. Ron Weasley - long thin etc).

What colour is he?

MagratGarlik Mon 17-Jun-13 15:04:17

We have crates for ours. We got them from eBay. We have medium sized for our whippy and large for our whippet x greyhound. However, whippy insists on sleeping in the big crate, leaving Jessie to scrunch up into the smaller crate.

I don't know what size you'd need for a puppy though. Both ours were adults when they came to us.

Onetwo34 Mon 17-Jun-13 15:13:47

He is a light grey and white with darker grey on his ears and around his eyes.
smile

moosemama Mon 17-Jun-13 16:43:23

He sounds gorgeous. We expect pictures as soon as he's settled in y'know! wink

I love the name Percy - perfect for a whippet. I knew a whippet called Stanley many years ago - it really suited him.

Can't really help on the crate either, as Lurcherboy is a fairly big lad and doesn't use a crate anymore.

moosemama Mon 17-Jun-13 18:39:53

Urgh! Can't let lurcherboy out in the garden, as the neighbours have a bee swarm that's buzzing around over our fence. They are amateur bee-keepers.

Apparently they came round while I was at the school collecting dd this afternoon (so over three hours ago) and told my mum they were going to get suited up and remove it. Not sure if it's something they've done or just coincidental that there's a bee swarm in an amateur bee keeper's back garden. hmm

Daren't let lurcherboy out there in case he gets stung - there are bees everywhere. Can't open any of our windows either. hmm

You sound like you have lovely neighbours moosemama.

My friend has a lurched called Basil Onetwo34, he's totally mental but lovely!

moosemama Mon 17-Jun-13 20:48:33

Oddly, I always thought we did cinnamon. Just goes to show how wrong you can be. hmm

Peeked out of dd's bedroom window and they have a blooming great beehive on their patio that's absolutely swarming with bees. It's about 4 ft at most from my kitchen window.

Managed to whisk lurcherboy out and up the other end of the garden quickly after his evening meal - it's lucky we have a very long garden or the poor dog would have been desperate by dusk when the bees are more likely settle down.

mistlethrush Tue 18-Jun-13 08:40:53

We had a swarm in my parents garden one year - rang the local beekeeper and he stuck it in a box in about 3 mins and drove off with it in the car...

Have you got any photos yet 1234? He sounds very cute. (I have to keep on saying to DS, "No, mistlehound is not cute, she's TOO BIG to be cute. She is gorgeous and lovely and beautiful but she is not cute".

She tripped over a badly wielded flexilead last week and, from her reactions, she still hurts on her back leg - but she's not stiff or limping so I think its going to be OK, probably just badly bruised in the muscle (and she's got LOTS of that on her back legs now - there's a ridge on the outside edge of her thighs!).

moosemama Tue 18-Jun-13 10:28:46

We had one in our roof a couple of years back mistle and did the same. Guy round the corner drove round and dealt with it in minutes. It's still there this morning though. Thought it had gone at first because I didn't see any bees around the fence, but I'm just back from walking lurcherboy and the bees now appear to have woken up. hmm

Anyhoo, dd and I have had a really nice walk in the local park this morning and lurcherboy had a lovely play with a young rescue pup. Both had their own balls, but of course they wanted each others, so just had to chase each other around in endless circles. grin Hoping we'll see them again, because it was lovely to see him so happy racing around with another dog. Most people round here seem to put their dogs on lead as soon as they see us, not sure if it's us or if they do it with every dog they see and it's such a shame as it means he still has no-one to play with.

I noticed similar at Dovedale at the weekend, I was amazed at the number of people holding back clearly friendly dogs and not letting them say hello, when they were giving off lovely friendly signals with every ounce of their bodies. I feel so sorry for them. sad

He's spark out now, so hopefully will be quiet for nursery drop off. Little does he know I have a huge walk planned for this afternoon as well. Want to walk to the massive park I used to take dd to when she was a baby. It's a long walk, including a fair bit of roadwork, but also lots of alleyways that have squirrels scampering over your heads. I don't know why I've never walked him there before, I'm absolutely sure he'd love it.

Sorry mistlehound is suffering with a poorly leg. Have you tried giving her some arnica? Can't live without the stuff in our house. Dorwest herbs sell it and could advise you on dosage.

LostInWales Tue 18-Jun-13 13:11:21

Hello pointy people <waves effusively> Sorry I'm not around much things are so chaotic and I had my maths exam but TBH the least said about that the better.

Well some good news (although I'm getting my excuses in first, we tried to get a rescue, tried and tried and tried and eventually when we found one we had to phone them the week before she should have come because life went all crap on us. Frankly I'm not going through any of that again with my boys whose lives are really messed up anyway, rescue dog next dog, I promise) So, we were given a number for a lady who shows whippets and was planning a litter if, IF, she could find nice homes for the puppies she doesn't want to keep and apparently we are a suitable home as dutiful whippet slaves already. If all goes well our new puppy will be born in a couple of weeks time, the mum and dad are just gorgeous dogs and we are tentatively allowing ourselves to get excited. <tiny, tiny, squeeeeeee>

First though I need to cure a bit of aggression that has crept into whippety boy, he has always been the softest of dogs, a total beta male and my baby but recently he has started lunging and snarling at other dogs when he is on the lead. He has always been such a well behaved dog it has thrown me completely. Any advice on how to stop this would be gratefully received. He has been left a lot more than he is used to and moved around a lot at weekends through necessity recently and I am so worried I have damaged him. He's getting lots of love and cuddles and things are organised now so we are only all away visiting the hospital one or two sundays a month.

Well, that was a total all about me post. I will catch up and things are back to being a bit more organised now so hopefully I will slot back into my life on the cushion (well just to the side of and sadly downwind of the cushion anyway wink)

mistlethrush Tue 18-Jun-13 13:20:49

Downwind of a pointy cushion is, surely, a bad place to sit? (Although mistlehound's digestion now seems to be sorted so we're not being gassed out so regularly).

Re aggression - I'm not the best on this, but I would think that 'distract' with particularly interesting delicacies so that rather than think about the other dog he's focusing on you?

LostInWales Tue 18-Jun-13 14:11:05

I always seem to end up downwind!

Distraction sounds like a good idea, I'll have to make sure I stock up on treats before we go out to pick up from school and give it a go, thank you.

moosemama Tue 18-Jun-13 14:21:14

I would suggest having a look into BAT for lunging and snarling. You can read about it and watch a video [http://functionalrewards.com/ here]] and Grisha Stewart, who invented it, is also all over youtube and has written some books that are available from Amazon.

Basically you just reward your dog for making a good choice over a bad one when confronted with a situation he can't handle. So, if we ordinarily lunge and snap you'd reward him if he looked away or sniffed the ground as he approached the other dog. If he doesn't make a good choice, the idea is to walk away from the target before he reaches the point where he will snap, so he's never pushed over the threshold and remains feeling secure, so doesn't need to snap.

LostInWales Tue 18-Jun-13 14:23:12

I'll go and have a look at that now, I want to nip this in the bud ASAP. Thank you moose.

moosemama Tue 18-Jun-13 14:28:11

You're very welcome.

I am so broody for a puppy after playing with that one in the park this morning, especially having seen how lovely lurcherboy was with her.

Pup was of unknown parentage having been found dumped in a cardboard box with her litter. Definitely terrier of some sort in there and pretty sure there was some whippet too, as under her gorgeous soft fur she was really lithe and whippety in shape. Face was terrier, but fur was the softest I've ever come across - even softer than my Soft Coated Wheaten - she was gorgeous and super bright. Didn't take her more than a couple of seconds to work out where I kept the liver cake! grin

LostInWales Tue 18-Jun-13 14:37:13

I'm getting very excited at the prospect of a puppy for us! When we got whippety boy I was more interested in the dog he would become because I knew puppy stage was only for a little bit of time and it was a while since I'd had a dog. This time I'm going to be prepared and really have fun, a bit like when you have a second child and lots of the anxieties aren't there because you've done it before! Soft Coated Wheaten sounds gorgeous I want to stroke it just hearing the name.

I'm looking forward to the walk to school now, there are a couple of gardens containing loose smaller dogs that really seem to get on his nerves so I will watch for the signal in him and try to walk away before he gets cross. I have a feeling I'm going to have a long walk to school if I have to go a different way but it will be worth it. I might phone the vets and see if there are classes as he's used to most of the dogs in our village so controlled meeting new dogs on leads would probably be helpful too. He was a star at puppy classes so hopefully we can get back to that.

Hi Lost, I'd definitely endorse BAT - we've used it for our lovely Mick. Mick has gained so much confidence and is now much more relaxed about seeing other dogs. We worked with our dog trainer initially on this - it was very helpful as we did a couple of "practice" walks with our trainer, so he was able to point out the key body language/threshold moments etc - it really helped to clarify it for us.

I'd also wholeheartedly endorse/recommend taking him along to training classes. You will both get so much out of it and it strengthens the bond between you immensely, even when you are already completely besotted - that was a revelation for me. There are positive trainers around and I certainly know of some in Carmarthenshire. Alternatively, I'd wholeheartedly recommend the guy we work with (he's APDT, and very, very good) - you could always fit in a session with him while you are up visiting at our end, IYSWIM. Welcome to the world of being a BAT ninja!

moosemama Tue 18-Jun-13 17:24:17

Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers. My girls was only lightly trimmed, so didn't have the Kerry Blue/Schnauzer square headed look that the show dogs have and she didn't have a docked tail either (had to wait over a year to get an undocked Wheaten).

I don't have our photos on this laptop - but she looked a bit like this when left natural and this when tidied up for special occasions. grin

moosemama Tue 18-Jun-13 17:33:05

Lurcherboy is totally zonked after this afternoon's walk. It definitely takes more out of him taking him to new places, although it was very warm which probably contributed.

It took me by surprise, because it's so cool in our house, so it was only when we were halfway up the road that I realised how muggy it was. Fortunately I had packed a back with water for both of us, as I knew I was going to be out for a while.

Still, he was fine. We just did a lead walk and stayed in the shade all the way round. Walked slowly, but solidly, for about 1hr 50 mins, then gave him his new kibble dispensing ufo before leaving on the school run and not a peep.

Listening to the tape, I reckon he just finished his treats a couple of minutes before I got in. So, as I was out for 15 minutes, it lasted around 10-12 minutes. Definitely need to invest in something with a bigger capacity for when we want to build up the amount of time he's left.

He has turned his nose up at his kong every time today. It has liver cake and cooked chicken in the bottom, with some peanut butter, then cottage cheese and banana for the top. The cottage cheese and banana was recommended by someone on the LL forum, but sadly doesn't seem to appeal to mr fussypants. hmm

Moose, we find that even our gannets seem to lose their appetite a bit in hot, humid weather. It's surprisingly warm and sticky here this afternoon, and breakfast was slowly picked at rather than demolished as usual. I'll probably feed them later this evening and give them a little less than usual - maybe Lurcherboy is similarly feeling the heat?

LostInWales Tue 18-Jun-13 17:48:26

Cottage cheese and banana! I'm not surprised envy. Wheaten Terriers look like a gorgeous breed, I don't think I've ever come across one before, I'm bound to meet one on the beach tomorrow now!

Walking to school was a huge success. Again and again I forget my dogs ability to do anything for a bacon flavour treat. I watched him closely as we got near his nemesis house and got him to focus on the treat I was holding, he flattened his ears when the other dog threw itself at the gate snarling but was distracted in an instant and happily trotted away from it to a huge chorus of GOOD BOY's and fuss and treats. On the way home the pub dog (next door so not avoidable) was outside, it is renowned for being a vicious little bugger but again I distracted him with a treat and he went to lunge once but I got him before he did and again walked happily home to lots of praise. I suppose it's just easy to forget you have a companion when you are strolling along but once I paid attention to how he was it was much easier. Lovely boy, I will deffo look into some classes anyway Scuttle because as you say it is a really good bonding experience as well as teaching good behaviour.

moosemama Tue 18-Jun-13 18:03:59

Scuttle, it's really cool - almost cold in our house though. In fact I am sitting here in a fleece. He's been more than happy to guzzle liver cake and chicken from the training pouch on our walks today too, so I think it's the banana that's put him off - although I did check he'd eat it by giving him a couple of chunks when I was making the kong up.

LostInWales, SCWT are on the endangered breeds list for the UK - although they're actually an Irish breed. I think they're on the increase now though, as I've seen several round here over the past few months. Oddly, I've only ever met one in Ireland, despite spending lots of time there over the years.

Really pleased he responded so well to his bacon treats, hopefully with a bit more reinforcement you'll be walking past those other dogs without him batting an eyelid in no time.

Am very envy that you get to walk on the beach. I live right in the middle of the country - totally landlocked and I love nothing more than walking on the beach with my dogs. I have to wait for my two weeks of beach walking in Ireland every summer and arrange a couple of day-trips during the rest of the year. sad

mistlethrush Tue 18-Jun-13 19:54:37

Mistlehound doesn't like banana - wouldn't try the end of mine the other evening. Quite unlike mistledog who ate nearly any fruit going - including grapefruit!!! shock

I'm going to look into some classes I think - would be good to have somewhat better obedience, although she walks nicely on the lead, and is getting the idea of 'close'.

I'm chuckling at wearing fleece and we are almost at Midsummer's Day grin. Every spring, I have this hopeful, optimistic picture in my head of a summer going to dog shows, filled with me in wafty, cotton floral dress, or cut off jeans and sandals, lightly bronzed by the sun and wearing my shades. The reality was Sunday. Steady, persistent drizzle, so I was wearing my fleece, no make up (cos otherwise it just all runs), wet, flat hair, long trousers and my Clarks sensible dog walking boots. Sigh. Same as I wear in the sodding winter. And if it's not persistent drizzle, it's just humid and grey, and I look like a slightly damp raspberry turnover.

moosemama Tue 18-Jun-13 21:20:55

He ate the banana I gave him earlier quite happily, but thinking about it I did the chuck it in the air and catch it think, so it probably didn't touch the sides, let alone his taste buds. grin

I've been thinking about taking lurcherboy to a local club as well, but can't make up my mind which one. The one I really want to go to is mid-week in the morning, which would mean I'd need a lift from my Mum. There's one with a very good rep that I could walk to on Sunday mornings, but they all look scarily like proper 'dog people' iykwim and I fear making a total pratt of myself. blush The other one seems popular with new dog owners, but is very old-school and there seems to be some in-fighting and if I know that about them already, without being involved with the club, it kind of sets alarm bells off a little.

When/if I get the pup I will be going to the midweek club, for at least the initial course of puppy classes though, as I like their approach best and feel they have the most to offer a pup in terms of sensible socialisation. Have already sounded Mum out about lifts and if I'm very lucky, I might even be able to persuade her to give lurcherboy a leadwalk while I'm training the pup.

Scuttle, I am just the same, living in vain hope of a consistent spell of actual summer weather and dreaming of our whole summer holiday bathed in glorious sunshine. hmm grin Had to laugh at slightly damp raspberry turnover! grin

It's humid and hot here, Billy struggled towards the end of our run tonight. He loves strawberries and ate my apple core the other day! I would love to spend more time in the beach. We're about 1hr 15 mins from the beach but they don't allow dogs April-September sad

moosemama Tue 18-Jun-13 21:30:49

It's hot and humid here too - just not in my house - well nowhere except for my bedroom anyway (south facing and three external walls). hmm It's like a wall of heat hits you as you open the front/back door - really odd.

My Wheaten girl and I used to share a punnet of strawberries every week when I was at college doing my canine studies cert. She'd sit under my desk and we'd plough our way through the lot while we did all the classroom stuff, before going outside for the training elements, where she would happily work for a strawberry if there were any left. Mind you, she was the weird dog that would work for the pleasure of sniffing a banana skin, despite not actually liking to eat bananas. confused grin

MagratGarlik Tue 18-Jun-13 23:12:32

Moose, I think you might be relatively local to me, in which case I can recommend a good trainer. Only uses positive reinforcement, has an assistant who adores pointys, has rescue dogs and will do clicker training.

With the weather, we are possibly planning on a weekend under canvas. <<brave>> the boys have a long weekend from school due to inset days and a friend is returning to the UK from a few years in oz, so we will possibly go visit and tie it in with a trip to the beach. We too are as land-locked as it is possible to get, so I love time by the sea. My dream would be to live in Dorset and have accessible beach all year round.

moosemama Wed 19-Jun-13 10:45:23

Thanks Magrat, I don't really need a trainer, but would like to start taking lurcherboy to a local dog-club on a regular basis - more for contact with other dogs and a bit of bonding for the two of us than anything else really. The biggest problem is that I don't drive, so the clubs I want to attend aren't all that accessible to me outside of the weekend.

That said, he seems to have completely forgotten all his recall training this week, little so and so. He's always had a great recall, but seems to be 'choosing' when to return, rather than coming thundering back, at the moment.

Have already walked him today, with the weather report predicting really high temperatures for this afternoon. So I think I'll do some recall work with him at home instead of his usual afternoon walk, to wear him out before the afternoon school run.

moosemama Wed 19-Jun-13 16:48:32

Well, I have had an upsetting and stressful afternoon.

Went out for lunch by the canal with Lurcherboy and Mum. When we arrived the carpark was full, so we parked in the overflow and walked up through the shade to have a lovely lunch sat in the shad of a big tree. All good so far.

Walked slowly back to the car and sat around for a while with all the car doors and windows open as it was ridiculously hot inside.

While we were waiting we met a beautiful whippet girl who was just about to go on her walk and got to talk 'love of pointy hounds' with the owner and fuss each others' dogs.

One of the whippet's owners went to get a parking ticket and came back to say there was a dog locked in a car further up the carpark. We checked and sure enough, there was a border collie locked in the boot of a big black 4x4 in full sunshine. It's an unmanned carpark and there was no-one to ask so we waited to see if an owner would return, but no-one did. The 4x4 had been there since we arrived and we had been for a walk and had lunch. It looked as if perhaps they'd tried to squish it into the shade, but if they had, it must have been there a long time, as the sun had moved right round and there was no shade anywhere near it. The dog was panting and obviously hot and they'd only left a tiny pop out window open a fraction.

The other people went off to ask at the nearby business centre, but no joy there and we couldn't imagine where the owner might be. It's just a canal, where people go for walks, with a cafe you can sit outside. There's nothing else there and nowhere you would go and leave your dog in the car.

So, I decided to call the Police on the 101 number. Tried three times and their operator kept putting me through to the local branch and cutting me off. angry When I did eventually get through ... their response? "We don't deal with animals - you need the RSPCA". I explained that I had no way of writing the number down and they said, ok leave it with us, thank you for calling and that was it.

So grabbed Mum's smartphone and googled RSPCA, but we had hardly any signal and couldn't get hold of the number. So we had to drive a couple of hundred yards up the hill to a local pub carpark to get a signal.

Called the RSPCA - it was farcical. It took nearly 15 minutes to get through to an operator on their 'emergency line' the whole time spent with them trying to get donations for money and all the while the poor dog possibly dying and definitely in distress, having been in the car for 40 minutes since we first saw it, probably much longer.

Got through and it took almost 10 minutes for them to take the details. They wanted all my details first and I just wanted them to get someone out to the dog. angry

Finally they said the call had gone through to the local team and someone would be out asap. Then they tried to get me to donate - again. By this time it had been 50 minutes and I was seriously late to pick up my dcs from school - a half an hour drive away. We were parked in the shade with the aircon on for lurcherboy and the car temp was saying it was 24 degrees in the shade. sad

Didn't have time to go back and see if the dog was still there (ds1 has ASD and I can't be late to pick him up) and a couple of minutes into the drive the RSPCA called me back to say they had no-one available so had passed it back to the police and would I give them permission to pass on my details. shock

So the police said the RSPCA had to go out and the RSPCA called the police - who could have bloody well gone out in the first place, when I first called what felt like an aeon before. angry

I checked that someone was definitely en-route to the dog and that was that.

I have asked them to let me know if the dog was ok, but the RSPCA said it would depend on what action, if any, is taken against the owner and may take some time. Not sure anyone will contact me and let me know now it's been passed back to the police.

I was literally shaking and felt sick with worry for the poor dog. The bloody RSPCA asked all my details and phone numbers etc first, then what the dog looked like, including colour etc and was sooo slow. I had the location, car type and number plate - that should have been all they needed - but no - they kept me on the phone for 10 minutes, after 15 minutes waiting to get through and then didn't attend anyway. angry

I feel so upset now. I can't believe the dog survived and wish I could have broken into the car - but I didn't know how and I would have been charged with criminal damage if I'd tried.

If I could get my hands on the idiot that left that poor dog there in probably 26/7 degree full sunshine where they were Godknowswhere I wouldn't be able to control myself. sad

I was late for the dcs as well, but fortunately ds1 was also ver late out, so didn't notice. Whereas dd was sitting on her own in the nursery 'helping the teachers' when I arrived. Fortunately the teachers are dog lovers too and completely understood why I was late.

moosemama Wed 19-Jun-13 16:48:59

shock Mahoosive post - sorry, needed to let it all out somewhere. blush

LostInWales Wed 19-Jun-13 17:31:49

Oh my God, I would have done just the same, I can't believe the lack of help you got from the police or RSPCA, I also can't believe people are still stupid enough to leave their dogs in a car full stop let alone for that length of time. Well done for doing so much for that poor dog, you did everything you could and fingers crossed it turns out OK and the bloody owner gets shot. Or at least seriously told off and stopped from having more animals. Grrrrrrr.

moosemama Wed 19-Jun-13 17:53:11

Thanks LIW. You are very kind, especially as on my other thread people are saying I didn't do enough and should have broken the car window - even though I had nothing to break it with. sad

LostInWales Wed 19-Jun-13 18:07:47

See, I thought break the window and then I thought 'yeah, and be sued by the owner, cautioned by the police thanked by no one and left to feel an idiot for trying to help' ultimately it's not your responsibility and you did the absolute best you could at the time with the tools available to you. What if the dog died after you had broken the window, then what do you do? Or do you steal the dog if it's ok and take it to pick up the DC's? Minefield.

Just to make you feel better, I'm off for a swim in the sea now ;-) but if you want to chat I'll be back in a bit.

LostInWales Wed 19-Jun-13 18:09:17

Oooh, see how long I've been off MN, I meant wink.

LostInWales Wed 19-Jun-13 18:10:05

And I've tried to break a car window before and it was impossible! Stupid films making you think it's a doddle.

I'm off now for real.

Onetwo34 Wed 19-Jun-13 18:11:22

What an awful harrowing thing to witness.
I found a drowned dog last year and the park rangers from the council who I rang went straight out and kept calling me at every stage, when they found the body, what they they did to trace him, then what happened to the body. They were really great, I am sorry to hear your experience was so different. sad

moosemama Wed 19-Jun-13 18:29:22

I know it's really hard to break a car window. Dh had to help someone smash their window when they locked their keys in the car at hospital visiting when he was visiting MIL last week. The police gave them a hammer and they still couldn't smash it.

Thank you Onetwo34. That must have been so distressing. sad Glad to hear there are some people out there who are willing to help and care enough to keep you updated though.

moosemama Wed 19-Jun-13 18:30:40

I've just emailed the local police team to see if they are willing (or able) to update me on what happened.

It says most emails will get a response within 24 hours.

TheCunnyFunt Wed 19-Jun-13 19:55:57

Bloody hell I've missed out on a lot blush had a very busy week though to be fair.

Moose I saw your thread, how heartbreaking sad but you did your best, and that was the best you could've done. I just hope the poor thing was rescued!

1234 he sounds beauuuuutifuuuul! I'd love a Whippet envy you do realise pics are mandatory? wink grin

Another puppy Lost? Really? You must be mad! grin keep us updated though, and of course, the one rule of the cushion, pics are mandatory grin
How is your BIL?

I was so cross on Saturday, DP was all set to take me and Sprocket to the local show that I'd been waiting for for a YEAR! And the day before the show we discovered that DDs birthday present was going to be delivered on the day of the show so DP couldn't take us afterall sad I managed to get a lift off a friend though. I entered Sprocket in 5 classes and he didn't win a thing angrysad I was gutted! He even had a bath especially for the show grin

moosemama Wed 19-Jun-13 20:08:35

Thanks Cunny.

Glad you got to go to the show - just tell Sprocket to remember it's the taking part - not the winning - that's important. grin

I have to say, I was very taken with the little whippet girl we met today - actually so was lurcherboy. If I didn't know better I would swear he was batting his eyelashes at her. grin He seems to be attracting the ladies (dog wise) everywhere we go at the moment - shameless flirt that he is. grin

LostInWales Wed 19-Jun-13 20:31:36

Cunny he was robbed. The judges obviously didn't know quality when it was staring them in the face. Well done for going though, the one and only show we went too I was nervous and bribed DS2 £10 to go in the ring for me blush. Bil is weeell, not dead so that is awesome and also better than the Dr's said but tbh being alive basically covers that eventuality wink. It's really hard to describe, he is conscious in his own special way but the only things he can do so far are open his eyes and do a kind of 'thumbs up' gesture. Anyway, he is in a rehab facility so the only way is up, hopefully he will eventually be well enough to leave hospital but it's all so up in the air, no one can say. How is your brother? Has he started eating anything yet?And yes, to a new puppy, I can't put the children through the apparently impossible task of rescuing a whippet and DH is adamant we won't have any other breed, so puppy it is! Something to look forward to and there hasn't been much of that recently.

1234 how awful for you, did you find out where the dog was from eventually?

MagratGarlik Wed 19-Jun-13 21:14:46

Lost - there is a lovely looking Whippy on DogsBlog in south wales. 18-24 months good with children. Called Blade.....

(Though obviously a puppy would be cute)

LostInWales Wed 19-Jun-13 21:32:47

<goes directly to DogsBlog>

LostInWales Wed 19-Jun-13 21:35:17

Oh Dobbie <melts>

MagratGarlik Wed 19-Jun-13 21:40:09

Sorry...

On another note - cunny, it sounds like the judges didn't know quality when they saw it. Obviously they just wanted to give the inferior dogs a chance.

moosemama Wed 19-Jun-13 22:55:28

Just updated my other thread. Police emailed me back and the dog is ok. grin

Police officer pulled the pop-out window off and sat with the dog for three and half hours until the owner got back - so that's four and a half hours that we know of that the poor dog was locked in that vehicle across the hottest part of the day. angry

He reassured me that they would have broken in and removed the dog had it become stressed or in danger, but instead they ensured it had water and was ok. Apparently the dark tinting of the windows did help deflect some of the heat.

Owner got off with just a stern talking to though, after making up some truly crap excuses. angry

I can sleep tonight now I know the dog is ok though.

Glad the dog is ok and glad they let you know so you didn't have to worry anymore. Seriously though 4 1/2hrs and only a stern talking to! Why do people have animals?!?!?!

I've had a traumatic evening, Billy got one of my cats sad
The littlest one, she's been in loads and we've just kept the stair gate shut with him down and her up. Tonight she dd decided to go out and ran past him. As she got to the top of the fence he managed to grab her in his mouth and pull her down. He yelped assume she bite/scratched him and then I grabbed his collar and he dropped her. She went over the fence and off and hasn't come back sad we've been all over looking and calling but nothing!
The worst part is dh is being so horrible to him! I blame myself really for every reason possible but he's a dog doing what dogs do. You can tell he knows he's in trouble and its really sad.

Just don't know what to do now. I feel we've made a commitment to him but what if we can't train it out of him? It's not fair on my cats that they can't come in our home. I feel so bad for Billy as he's a lovely dog and bad for my cats as their lives have been turned upside down! I didn't want a dog so soon and I wanted to spend time with others but dh insisted Billy was the one and now he won't even talk to him civilly, what do I do? So worried that Wendy is injured and slowly dying and dh is snoring next to me. On the plus side I saw Molly tonight, she wouldn't come to me but at least I know she's ok.

mistlethrush Thu 20-Jun-13 08:29:29

Cinnamon - sorry about Wendy, I hope that you find her and she's fine - lets hope that she managed to get a good swipe in before anything much happened - I really don't know what to suggest as we don't have cats, although mistlehound has learned to not go for the chinchilla who has now been moved back into the sitting room so is very obvious. There was a slight scuffle last week when the chin did something dramatic but I scolded mistlehound and she stopped immediately and has since gone over and managed to stand with her nose very close to the cage watching / sniffing with the chin also close to the front (but still).

Moose - glad you got some good news about the dog - I really can't believe what some people think is appropriate - nor can I believe the response you got from the RPSCA and the police!

Mistlehound was also robbed on Saturday when she didn't get placed in 'best rescue' - neither did the lovely greyhound next to us. Both clearly looked too well and content.

MagratGarlik Thu 20-Jun-13 08:47:36

Oh, cinnamon, you poor thing. It does sound to me that whilst Billy is a lovely dog, but it sounds like he is a lovely dog who should live in a cat-free home. It may be better to admit this now than waiting. The rescue will understand as they couldn't cat test him. It sounds like both he and the cats would be happier if he found a cat-free home though.

There will be another hound out there for you, but it does sound as though he is not it.

moosemama Thu 20-Jun-13 10:28:55

Oh Cinnamon, I'm sorry to hear that. There's a high chance she was just shocked and ran off. The first grab can often look worse than it is. Billy might think twice about doing it again if he did get scratched or bitten, but you're the one who is there with him and I'd say you have to trust your instincts about whether or not he's ever going to be cat safe.

I feel for you, as you are clearly caught in the middle and trying to do right by everyone.

I'm sure, as he's such a lovely dog, Billy will be able to find a nice cat friendly home should you decide you can't keep him and there are loads of cat friendly hounds out there. As Magrat said, the right one will be there for you at the right time.

Mistle, I know, their response was unbelievably slow and unhelpful right up to the point where the police officer - who was clearly a dog lover - actually managed to get there. It's a blooming good job the car had expensive tinted windows or it would probably have had a very different ending.

Just been for a very wet walk with dd and lurcherboy and he managed to slip on wet grass and twist his leg (n/s hind). He was lame for a few minutes, so I brought him straight home, but then seemed ok again. Hard to tell at the moment though, because he's spark out on the kitchen floor tiles - it's deceptively muggy out there, even though it looks like a cool, rainy day. Think I will keep an eye on him today and pop him up to the vets if he's no better by tea-time.

I've been reading quite a bit since I got him and most things have said that the majority of greyhounds can be trained to be cat safe so we've persevered but if he is the small percentage that can't we're just making it all the more painful for everyone.

I am so emotional over it all, still missing Nelly don't want to lose anymore of my animals but I've rescued all but one of my pets and always kept them. He's done so well and I feel so guilty to send him back to a kennel and lose him and then have to go through settling another dog who may also not be able to live with my cats but I can't imagine being without a dog until I don't have cats anymore. Plus it's very confusing and upsetting for my ds's and hard for my minded children if there's a new dog every few weeks. Totally paralysed by indecision and so so sad sad

Hope lurcherboy recovers quickly from his injured leg, Nelly was always such a wussy with any slight injury!

mistlethrush Thu 20-Jun-13 12:49:10

Cinnamon - if you decide that he does need to go back (I hope you can work it out though) can you try to get a dog that is already cat tested? I know that where we got ours they have a fairly good idea - lots in foster homes (but with the intention that they will be adopted by other people) (generally) but some at the rescue HQ where some of them get to live in the house with the stunt cats...

They didn't have an idea for any of the available ones that's were there when we got Billy, she just said we'll have to try and see. It's just so hard and my life is not exactly easy going as it is!

mistlethrush Thu 20-Jun-13 12:53:48

(((hug))) Could you look at a different rescue that does have an idea?

moosemama Thu 20-Jun-13 13:37:56

Thanks cinnamon, think you could be on the money there. He seems fine now.

I agree with mistlethrush. There are loads of sighthound rescues that are very careful with cat testing and fostering etc. I'm sure you could get a cat safe dog pretty quickly if that's what you need.

She's home and seems totally unharmed, phew! We've decided we need to be more careful but we're not ready to give up on him. I've phoned the rescue place and asked for some support but no answer so hopefully someone will ring back tomorrow. Perhaps ask vet for some trainers who can advise and get a water pistol.

moosemama Thu 20-Jun-13 18:05:11

So glad she's home and ok cinnamon. Pleased for you that you've made a decision about not giving up on him yet as well. It might be worth your while joining the Greyhound Gap Forum as there's bound to be lots of experience and advice to be had there.

I have some good news too. Today I have switched about lurcherboy's routine. Walks at different times etc. Today is a 4 school run day, so slightly different than the rest of the week anyway and I decided to take him for an extra short walk literally just before I had to pick up the first 2 dcs and wear him out with some ball chasing. Brought him back 10 minutes before I had to go out and he was exhausted (muggy weather might have helped there). Left him a ufo full of biscuits and liver cake and a kong with liver cake, cooked chicken and cheddar sprinkled with garlic powder. Didn't think he'd bother with them though, a) because he was so tired and it was muggy and b) because he hasn't touched a kong all week.

Decided to push things a little and take the dcs to the corner shop for ice lollies, seeing as he was clearly knackered and usually sleeps for an hour when he's like that.

We got held up in the shop with half the school having had the same idea about ice lollies, so I played the tape back with trepidation when we got back. He managed half and hour without even a whine. He'd finished both his kong and the contents of the ufo and .... was asleep in his bed! grin

Had to go out and fetch ds2 from an after school club about half an hour after I got home from the shop - so shoved another handful of mixed treats in the ufo - was out 10 minutes this time - and again ... silence.

I am so pleased that we have made it up to half an hour and he's not stressed or anxious at all! grin

Silly thing is, I was only moaning to my mum this morning about how I'd had to take things back a few steps and start again at 10 minutes with him and it felt like it would be months before we are able to extend the time enough for me to actually be able to go further than the corner shop.

Bless him, he's given me the motivation to keep on keeping on. smile

That's great moosemama!

Have registered and trying to read some posts but not loading great! Looking forward to the greyhound walk Sunday smile

Good news Moose!

We're also going to the Great British Greyhound Walk on Sunday - really looking forward to it. Been wearing my wristband proudly for about three weeks now. grin

mistlethrush Fri 21-Jun-13 10:14:28

We might make one of the walks on Sunday - this weekend is going to be chaotic though, with lots of rehearsals, concerts and two parties to get DS to in the middle of it all.

Moose - that sounds fantastic - he's really done well, I'm sure you're so relieved!

Cinnamon - Lurcher Link also have some people on that have a lot of experience getting dogs to accept cats in the house - I think that Moose has got some good advice there, and just because he's a greyhound, doesn't mean that they won't be happy to give advice there. There's a section on the forum called 'advice needed' which would be the best option.

moosemama Fri 21-Jun-13 10:17:10

... aaand back down again. He started yelling about 4 minutes after I went out this morning and kept it up for the whole school run. hmm

Always Fridays and always first thing - just to really p the neighbours off. Can't identify a trigger though - despite it always being the same day.

I had a feeling he was going to do it, because he kept following me around and going to where we keep his harness and walk stuff with a hopeful look on his face.

To be honest, he's been sounding more indignant at being left than upset and no sign of any drool or anxiety, so I think he was just annoyed that I didn't take him out with me. hmm

He went straight to his lead again when I got home, so I've made him wait and am going to walk him very last thing before nursery drop off, so he's exhausted again - like he was yesterday afternoon.

Honestly - dogs, who'd have 'em!

mistlethrush Fri 21-Jun-13 10:35:35

Moose - what is your morning schedule like? At one stage one of us would sort DS and the other would take the dog out for a quick whizz around the field for 20 mins or so...

I have looked there too thanks mistlethrush, all advice is quite similar and really will rely on a lot more exposure to the cats. I had a long email from the chairman of the rescue centre last night (as I'm having a telephone nightmare and I couldn't stay connected on the phone for more than a minute!)

moosemama Fri 21-Jun-13 11:51:11

Morning schedule is quite set unfortunately, due to eldest ds having ASD and needing a set routine. The only option to walk the dog before the school run, would be to get up before everyone else and go then, so probably 5.30 - 6.00, as ds1 is an early riser. Problem with that is, that any noise at all in the house wakes ds1, so if I get up at 5.30 - so will he. <<sigh>>

It's a two man job getting the dcs to school, particularly ds1, as even though he's 11 he has to be prompted, reminded and hauled through every step. Dh does the breakfasts, while I organise everything else. We already do packed lunches the night before, so can't cut any time there.

Now I think about it, this morning there was a bit of tension in the air, as it's non-school uniform day and the dcs all have to take in donations for summer fair prizes. Ds1 coped ok, because he has done this routine for 8 years in his primary school now, but it's only once a year and it always unsettles him when anything different happens, so he was manic, zipping around all over the place winding everyone up.

From September things will be changing anyway, as ds is going on school transport to a secondary school an hour's drive away, so not only will he have to get used to a new routine, he will be out of the house much earlier meaning things will be calmer in general.

We live across the road from the primary school, so never have to leave home before 8.45 for the bell to go at 8.55 at the moment and I have been leaving it really late while I've been trying to be gone for the shortest time possible for lurcherboy.

Actually, while I was typing this I just had a thought. It's not the walk really, so much as making sure lurcherboy is worn out. So if I could chuck his ball for him in the garden for 10 minutes or so, that might just be enough. Might give that a try over the weekend and see if it works.

mistlethrush Fri 21-Jun-13 11:58:17

Sounds a plan - it might just take the edge of sufficiently to mean that he's less aware of being left. I suppose the benefit is that, at least he's only a lurcher - we had a collie cross who started out as an only - we would take her into the (very large) garden for ball throwing sessions - two hard rubber balls, one thrown, and the next one collected so that it could be thrown as she was on her way back and dropped the one in her mouth to go for the other one - repeat. We would stop this when we were (physically) tired of throwing the ball even though you rarely had to go more than a couple of steps to pick the ball up and be ready to throw it - and she would have two or three sessions of that plus at least two long walks.... It was much easier when we got the second (that turned out to be a collie / terrier cross, although as a puppy she didn't look like that at all) as the two would play for hours in the garden if it was fine - and would corner around the edge of the lawn path around the fruitcage so tightly and fast that my father had to relay a section of the lawn every spring as there was a deep rut...

moosemama Fri 21-Jun-13 13:32:24

I hope so, but he already gets at least two hours of exercise a day, much of that is free-running and ball chasing as well. He has collie in his mix mum was deerhound/saluki, dad greyhound/border collie according to the people that had them, although there was some debate at LL about there possibly being some terrier in there as well so - who knows for certain.

You can't really see any collie in him, but he is a keen retriever of tennis balls and frisbees, so I guess that's where it could have come from and his has quite a wide skull compared to many/most lurchers as well, so that might also relate back to the collie heritage.

Dh has just called and says he will start taking him to the local park for just 20 minutes when he first gets up. I think it would be good for both of them actually, as dh doesn't do enough exercise or get much time 1:1 with lurcherboy. We will just have to hope ds1 doesn't find it too disruptive. It's strange, because we can change some things that we would expect him not to cope with and he doesn't bat an eyelid - then when we change something that has very little impact on him he can't handle it. It's just a case of trying it and seeing what happens I suppose.

I don't think I will every manage to understand kids and dogs! grin

I am dogless again sad

Billy took one of my minded children's toys and I tried to take it off him. He wouldn't let go so I left him when I went back to try to take it again he bit me twice. Both are very sore, bruised and swollen. Her grandad arrived a whole afterwards and said 'you'll have to get rid of him then'. I'm sure it was my fault for the way I went about removing the toy but I can't take the risk that he would do it to a child or that my customers would leave because of it.

We'd had such a lovely day, he'd been so lovely and it wasn't a stressful period of time or anything so I was totally shocked by it. We have been so sad taking him back, feel I've let him down. We went for a long walk this morning, he had his breakfast and we took him. We all said goodbye and put him in his kennel, left his toys with him but I can still see his face looking at me and hear him crying as we got in the car. The saddest thing is that after I went back into the living room after he bit me he was wagging his tail wanting a fuss like nothing had happened.

I'm not sure what I would have done if it had just been us but all parents of children I had expressed that we should not keep him and I can't afford to lose the business. I would feel terrible if he hurt any of the children and we can't be sure it was a one off.

We spoke to them about another dog and after a talk about how settling in is always difficult and us expressing that we were aware of that and we had been working through difficulties with billy and had no intention of giving him up until the bite he agreed that we could take another dog. He's suggested going to a local trainer who has 5 dogs who haven't raced as they may be less likely to chase the cats. They are on the waiting list but he has no idea how long it would take to get them into kennels. This way we can see them and still adopt through the home finders but they wouldn't actually have to go into their kennels.

What an emotional month it has been!!!!

TheCunnyFunt Sat 22-Jun-13 18:22:33

Oh Cinnamon I am sorry, I can't imagine how you must all be feeling right now. I hope the bites heal soon.

Did you try to swap the toy with him or did you just try to take it? If you tried to take it away without trying to swap it for a tasty treat or something, then that's probably why he bit you. I know it's not helpful now but it could be for future reference. Good luck finding another one x

I tried to swap it, I tried telling him to leave and no. I didn't want to pull on it because it want mine and didn't want to damage the toy. I left him to hopefully lose interest and went back to him and that's when he bit me. He taken the kids tests before and a firm no or leave has got him to let me take it so don't know what happened. The guy at the rehoming place said I should have put his lead on and put him in the garden and shut the door and being left on his own would have made him drop it.

We had grown to love him in the three weeks he was here, dh and I have been in tears all day. Feel like I'm grieving for two dogs now sad

moosemama Sat 22-Jun-13 19:13:08

sad cinnamon, I'm so sorry.

It must have been such a hard decision for you, but I totally understand why you had to give him up, given the nature of your work and not being able to risk either losing business or him harming a child. sad

moosemama Sat 22-Jun-13 19:25:30

Lurcherboy has been a complete arse today. hmm

Having always had an excellent recall and recently learned to respond to a whistle really well - he has suddenly taken to doing an 'almost-recall' when we are out. hmm

Just to clarify, I have never grabbed his collar when he's been recalled. I always recall him and release him to play again or recall him and get him into a sit or down if I need him under control - but he's decided his new game is to look like he's doing a belting recall that is likely to end up with me flat on my back on the floor, then get to arms length and swerve away, before running around me in a circle. hmm angry

Dh couldn't believe it when we took him out today - he's never seen him behave like that before.

He first did it on Friday before last, when I put his general arsey-ness down to the thunderstorm and him just being generally 'off'. He's been ok all week, then, after his howling in the morning yesterday, he did 'the swerve' in the park again, as well as pointedly sniffing the ground and coming in his own time, iykwim.

Today he was an arse from the moment we got into the field. The only time he responded to a recall was when I had his blooming ball. Good job we were in a secure area. hmm

Dh and I tried doing the recall game, as it's always been a great way of teaching and reinforcing recall in the past (where you stand a distance apart and call from one to the other with lots of treats and fuss). Lurcherboy decided he would come to me because I had the fling'n'fetch but dh could forget it. hmm

So we put the fling'n'fetch on the floor a few feet away and stood apart from each other so that we made a sort of triangle shape with it. Then we called him to and from each on of us in turn and the little sod ran to his toy instead whenever he was called - BUT - after three goes, his little light bulb switched on and as he ran towards the toy he finally made a good choice and swerved and came to me instead. So, he got a treat, huge fuss and we ran to the toy together and had a game - then repeated it with dh and I in turn a few times, rewarding him with a game each time he recalled nicely.

Not sure what's brought on this teenager-esque attitude, but I'm damn sure I'm not going to give him an inch. It's back to the puppy kindergarten for him until he starts behaving himself. hmm

JazzTheDog Sun 23-Jun-13 08:42:24

Hi everyone,

I can't keep up with this thread at all! We're heading out to GBGW in a few moments. I spent 2 hours yesterday making medals for the participants!

mistlethrush Sun 23-Jun-13 09:11:05

Cinnamon, I am so sorry - but I agree, with children, and children's friends potentially around, you can't chance what you might if your situation had been different....

Moose - sounds as though he's getting used to things as they are now and is flexing his muscles...

MagratGarlik Sun 23-Jun-13 10:33:32

Sorry to hear about Billy, cinnamon.

I can understand parent's concerns though and especially in the current climate you can't afford for customers to leave. Word of mouth could be very damaging too.

sad

MagratGarlik Sun 23-Jun-13 10:36:43

On a more positive note, we are off to "Dogs Unleashed" show in Bakewell this afternoon.

moosemama Sun 23-Jun-13 10:47:09

Yep, mistle, that's what I thought too. Little so and so - from anxious, worried and a big wuss - to cocky little so and so in under 3 weeks. hmm

We've gone back to basics and started re-clicker training all his cues to remind him what we expect of him. Am also reading the book 'total recall' to try and work out if I've done something wrong with his recall training somewhere along the line and where/how to put it right.

Dh and I had a long talk about getting another dog/pup last night. We are both so worried about it, not only the 'what if it doesn't help' thing, but also generally, the whole new dog/pup thing and how much work is involved. Decided its not going to put us off but <<wibble>> blush

Came about because I fell in love with a saluki cross pup online. I have been finding myself looking at and loving lots of black and tan dogs/pups and as you know, I also really like the name Seren for a bitch. I was looking at a rescue forum yesterday and happened across a 16 week old black and tan saluki cross pup called Seren! shock At first I thought she'd been homed, as there were lots of 'so happy' comments on her thread, but it turned out she'd been really poorly and an inpatient at the vets and it was touch and go for a while. sad

Thing is, she's in north west Ireland and while they do work with some British rescues and home to the UK, with everything she's been through, I'm not sure it would be fair on her or whether they would do it.

We are due to be in Ireland the last week in July, so in theory could save them the trouble of getting her to the UK - but she will be 6 months old by then - so more legs and less cuteness. grin I feel really unsettled about it - but she really grabbed by heart. confused Decided to sleep on it before emailing them, but am no clearer this morning.

She's nothing like what we were looking for - all legs and saluki beauty, compared to a scruffy little whirrier - but there's something about her. confused

Here she is and her facebook page.

moosemama Sun 23-Jun-13 10:47:53

Have fun everyone who's off on Greyhound walks and to shows. grin envy

We've had a lovely and busy day. The rain held off for most of it too. Went to the Cardiff GBGW this morning, there were about 25 hounds there which was brilliant. Came home and had a quick bite to eat and then out to a a fun show this afternoon. Norty Minx came 2nd in Best Veteran, and the two girls came 3rd and 4th in Dog Judge would most like to take home. Judge praised her condition which was nice. Got bitterly cold though - standing on a Neath hillside being whipped by a gale did not feel like midsummer! Now home and the girls are relaxing on the sofa, and admiring their new rosettes. What was also nice was we bumped into a friend who is judging at a show I am organising next month, who was there with his 16 year old adorable terrierist. It was lovely to see him, and we had a really good natter and catch up. So a good day all round. smile Time for a large gin soon, I suspect. grin

moosemama Sun 23-Jun-13 18:28:27

Yay! Congratulations on your crew's successes.

Dh was just saying the same the same about the weather an hour ago when we were standing in the middle of a rainstorm in the grounds of Coombe Abbey. More like October than June. hmm

Lurcherboy had a blast as it was bunnies a-go-go in the fields around the house. First thing that happened as we entered the off lead area was a squirrel shot across in front of us and then did that stop start run thing all the way across the open space, before perching on a log taunting him. Good job he was on the lead.

Walked a bit further up and there was a baby bunny just sitting looking at us from the edge of the path. Lurcherboy didn't see it before it ducked under the hedge, but he went bonkers when he caught it's scent and was beside himself with joy at all the scent in the meadow field. Suffice to say we didn't let him off. grin

Funnily enough though, he didn't bat an eyelid at the gaggle of ducks that took off (both flying and fast waddling) when some people let their kids run through them just ahead of us - apparently ducks are old news and nowhere near as much fun as bunnies. grin

Would have been a lovely walk if ds1 wasn't so full on due to y6 transitional fear/stress. Blimey that boy can talk. hmm

MagratGarlik Sun 23-Jun-13 19:16:30

Back from the dog show. Not a very good one - expensive entrance fee and not much going on. Most traders started packing up 1.5 hours before the end (annoying when a £15 entrance fee was charged for families). Both had a go on the lurcher coursing set-up though. Jessie just stood and watched the 'lure' with the expression of, 'I'm not chasing that, it's plastic not a bunny', before trotting off to have a wee in the middle of the course and sniff at an interesting JRT.

Woody ran though and was quite proud of himself - tail-a-wagging as he went. We saw lots of other whippys, lurchers a gaggle of Italian greyhounds, a few grunds and a couple of Irish Wolfhounds. I note though that our whippy could need a little bit of a diet in comparison with some there....

Nice to hear about your successful and not so successful days!

Billy has been rehomed! They had an open day and he's gone with another greyhound who was rehomed from there a while ago smile

We went to see a trainer today with several 2 year old dogs that have never raced. They are on the waiting list but not expected to get into the kennels until August. As he's close to us and they thought a dog who'd never raced may be better with the cats we've gone to see him direct and homefinders will still do the rehoming.

Problem is dh and I can't agree!! He let us meet 6 dogs, 4 from one litter and two others. I fell in love with Barry- a slightly scatty smaller brindle boy. He's got quite a long coat and he licked my whole face but calmed down the second I started stroking him, wouldn't run more than 200m and was hand reared by the trainer as his mother had problems with her milk, 2 in August. Dh wants peanut- the most gorgeous blue brindle, 32kg so quite big, very chilled out but was quite a keen racer just ran wide at corners, was 2 in April. Dh loves the way he looks but thinks because he's calmer will be better with the kids. He is stunning but I just didn't get the same feeling I did with Barry (poor dog, sorry to anyone who has named a dog Barry!).

moosemama Sun 23-Jun-13 21:56:07

Hi Cinnamon, so pleased to hear Billy has been rehomed so quickly. It must be bitter sweet, but a load off your mind at the same time.

I think I would fall for Barry too from your description. As for names, well I think I'd rather stand in the garden/park and shout Barry than Peanut, given how names can sound a bit distorted when shouted, iykwim. wink shock

Also the fact that he wouldn't run sounds a lot more promising for your situation that a dog that would chase the rabbit (is that the right term) but just ran wide on corners.

Ds2 keeps saying 'my peanuts' and giggling while pointing to his willy!!!

MagratGarlik Sun 23-Jun-13 22:04:39

Glad to hear Billy found a new home.

Barry sounds gorgeous and I'd have thought better with the cats if he doesn't run. Put pictures of both up and we can put it to the cushion vote! <<gets over-excited at the thought of a new cushion dog>>

We are revisiting them tues, will try and take pics then grin

moosemama Sun 23-Jun-13 22:08:25

Ahem ... well yes - it seems your ds and I are thinking along the same lines! blush

Oo yes, definitely try to get some pics for us.

And she's gorgeous moosemama!!

moosemama Sun 23-Jun-13 22:46:07

Thanks, but I have wussed out of contacting them. Noticed today that someone else has enquired on FB and then started questioning myself and the practicalities of getting her over here and being homechecked by a UK rescue etc.

They work with 2 UK rescues, but one is up north and the other down south and we are in the middle. The one up north insists all neutering is done at their approved vets, so I can't see that working in our favour - especially when the other enquirer already has one of their dogs and is more local to them. sad

Would say I'd sleep on it again tonight, but I have ds1's annual statement review first thing tomorrow morning and am ridiculously stressed about that, so not sure another night's sleep is going to make things any clearer.

If nothing else, it's helped me to realise I can fall in love with smoothies as well as scruffies I suppose. I've always been a dedicated scruffy admirer in the past, but she has definitely made me think twice.

Actually, thinking about it, lurcherboy looked smooth when I first saw him - and when he arrived. He only developed his scruffy elements as he matured.

mistlethrush Sun 23-Jun-13 22:47:04

Cinnamon - I would go for playful too (Barry) because of the children. But I would rename him Barney - enough similarity for him to make it easy but slightly better than shouting Barry!

We did'nt do any ggwalks... just too frantic this weekend - concert last night - another this afternoon (I hadn't managed to get to any of the rehearsals as looking after DS whilst DH went to them so it was a bit skin of the teeth at times...) and then another rehearsal this evening.

My friends baby is barney, not sure I could do that! Still have to win the battle though!

mistlethrush Mon 24-Jun-13 08:43:47

Harry is better than Barry... or even Lary! But then you could perhaps think of names that are not even 'proper' names that might suit... Tally, Cali, etc.

MagratGarlik Mon 24-Jun-13 09:01:42

Tbh, we named Jessie when we got her as we didn't know her name before - she was found as a stray. She's an oldie, but within a week or two she knew her name. Lots of livercake when they respond to their name is a great motivator. I'd call him what you like. (Of course, I'm assuming here you'll have already won the argument on which dog to get)

That's a massive assumption MagratGarlik, I'm not good at these things! DH feels guilty that he pushed me to have Billy and it ended so badly so I may be able to win.

Have had a message from my friend that the brother of her lurcher is looking for a new home, have added his pic on my profile. He's called Mali, he will be 2 in September.

mistlethrush Mon 24-Jun-13 12:51:47

He looks nice? Has he previously lived with cats?

I don't know anything about him, just got a number to talk to the owner. A bit apprehensive as to why they are rehoming him, his brother is lovely and lives with a tiny dog but I don't know more than that until I call. Dh thinks he's too chubby hmm

moosemama Mon 24-Jun-13 13:52:57

I have had a Cali and my sil has a Tally.

I think it's fairly common to change an adopted dog's name - as Magrat said, stuff enough treats down them every time you say it and it quickly becomes more attractive than their old name and of course has the advantage of being a clean slate with no negative associations. So you could just pick a name you like and not worry if it doesn't sound similar to Barry.

Oo I've seen Mali - if it's the same one. Is he the one on Lurcher Link? They look too similar for it not to be. If so, he has lived with cats before and liked to play with them, but according to the OP not in a prey kind of way.

He sounds lovely, everyone keeps emphasising how lovely and gentle he is. smile

moosemama Mon 24-Jun-13 13:53:39

Have had a look and it must be him, he's in Norfolk too.

moosemama Mon 24-Jun-13 14:12:18

I am relieved to have survived ds1's annual statement of SEN review. <<phew>>

Afterwards Mum walked up to drop dd at nursery with me so we took lurcherboy. Mum insisted on holding him while I walked up the drive with dd and he really didn't like me walking off out of sight. Poor Mum got quite a shock when she realised how strong she is. I think she thought because he looks so slightly built he'd be a wimp. grin

Mum then left and I took him in the park. It was very interesting. He stuck to me like glue the whole way round. Did half an hour off lead with him just following me around and me suddenly changing direction etc. Then stood and let him sniff a bit and did a couple of easy recalls, which he did really well, so got the ball out as a reward ... and he instantly changed into a beligerant (sp?) so-and-so.

First catch did a loop around me, than stopped in the middle of the field and stared at me instead of bringing it back. You should have seen his face when I just ignored him and walked purposefully away. Poor confused dog. grin

After a couple of minutes he came thundering after me and when he came properly to me and dropped the ball at my feet I told him he was a good boy and threw it again. Each time, same thing. He held it at a distance and didn't return - just stood there staring at me. I didn't recall him, because I knew he wouldn't do a proper recall and I'd effectively be training him not to come when called. Instead each time I walked off.

Then he started trying to pre-empt where I was going to go and head me off some distance ahead, so I just kept changing direction and not acknowledging him until he came back and gave me the ball.

It was lucky that we had the whole park to ourselves for over an hour, as I could just keep on doing it over and over. He's got some sticking power though - stubborn boy - because even when I hid from his view (I could see him and the rest of the park) he still took a good few minutes to come back and give me the ball. hmm

Kept it up for about 45 minutes and I could almost hear the cogs turning in his head as he tried to work out what on earth I was up to! grin It was working though, by the end of the walk he was coming back faster and seemed to be getting the idea that he didn't get another throw of his ball unless he came back properly and gave it to me.

Ended 'the game' when he lay down looking exhausted and he's been spark out ever since we got home. grin

I am hatching a plan to confuse him even further by taking multiple balls, next time we play the game. Currently he thinks he has the upper hand when he's in possession of the ball, so I'm interested to see what he'll do when he realises I always have another one. grin

Am also going to do more sessions without the ball and him being rewarded for staying with me and coming back when called, as food treats were good enough reinforcers until the ball appeared and then they were useless.

moosemama Mon 24-Jun-13 14:13:29

Sounds like he's been waiting a long time, due to a relationship break up. So no suspicious reasons for needing to rehome him.

mistlethrush Mon 24-Jun-13 14:30:47

Mali - that's not a LL dog though - its in the 'other homeless hounds' where other people post about lurchers that need a home - its an unusual site as its got its own dogs that need rehoming, but any other lurcher that also needs a home can have a thread in the other section too - and several rescues put info about dogs up there as a place that people specifically looking for lurchers might look.

moosemama Mon 24-Jun-13 14:33:12

Sorry, yes you're right mistle, I should have pointed that out. He's listed on LL, but isn't being rehomed through them.

Spoken to the lady this afternoon, two relationship breakdowns (one of whom left him all day, came home to eat and change then left him all night while she stayed at we new boyfriends) and a woman who has had him a month and has decided because he tries to get her cakes off the work tops and digs holes if she leaves him in the garden that she can't have him anymore! She's quite a drive from me and she has some interest in him so said carry on with our two tomorrow and then let her know. He said she had him as a pup and he's very playful and just needs someone to spend some time with him. She asked me more than she told me which shows she wants him to have a good home. She said she also has another greyhound and lurcher to rehome if we want to look at them too, good sales pitch wink

moosemama Mon 24-Jun-13 16:34:12

So is the lady you spoke to fostering him following the relationship breakdown?

Lurcherboy never seems interested in swiping cakes - but no baked potato is safe for some bizarre reason. confused

He was her dog, or one of a litter from her dog so she had him from birth until he was rehomed. Not sure she's a breeder but she rehomes dogs and said any of her dogs can come back to her if they need to for any reason.

Dh is seriously considering taking both tonight so we don't have to pick one, any advice greatfully received! Never had more than one dog at a time.

Mali looks wonderful - a gorgeous handsome boy.

Main things about being a multi hound household. You'll need a bigger car. You'll need a bigger sofa! Obviously, there's the cost implications - two lots of insurance, vets bills, food, kennelling on holidays etc. With two large dogs, it's worth buying in bulk things like food, treats etc. You can save money if there is a wholesaler near you.

It tends to be slightly harder to find people who are willing to pop in and dog sit if you need to go out for a few hours. Even non doggy people are often happy to wrangle one, but two can be a bit daunting sometimes. However, I'd strongly suggest making some friends in your local sighthound community and having a dog sitting circle so you can do sleepovers/days out for each other. Can also be great fun.

Walking - usually OK. If loose lead walking is not up to scratch, then off to training classes and it will soon be right. I used to walk three together - now we have four I do two and two when I am by myself.

If they all decide to fart together, it's quite something. sad Doesn't often happen - but mysteriously seems to be worse when we have visitors. hmm

Overall, though, sighthounds are very sociable and really benefit from being with other pointies - we love being a multi hound home, though I wouldn't rush to be a four hound home again. I think two or three is perfect.

moosemama Tue 25-Jun-13 11:55:40

grin Had to laugh at farting being worse when you have visitors. Lurcherboy always seems to do it when my Mum is visiting and is even worse if she's babysitting and I'm not here.

I came back yesterday after a meeting at school and I swear poor Mum was actually green in the face - she looked a bit like this: envy but bless her soul, she has still just spent half and hour sitting in the boot of her car with him and dd while I took ds2 to his specialist dentist appointment. smile

The most I've had at once is three and it's fine, but I prefer two. With three or more it's easier if you are both around for walks, as when I walked mine in shifts the ones that were left behind objected - loudly. (Fortunately we had a detached house back then) Two together for walks is easy enough - but as Scuttle says, you may need to work with them individually to get them both walking on a loose lead in the early days.

I'm a strong believer in dogs needing canine company. As I put it to dh the other night - imagine being the only human in a dog household - unable to understand their verbal or body language, being expected to live by their rules and customs, which make no sense to you - as you can't understand them so they can't explain why they do them and having them control your food, toys and freedom. Then imagine the same scenario with just one other human to speak to and you can see how for some, the first scenario would be impossible to handle, whereas the second scenario would be much more likely to enable you to retain your sanity.

Dh has finally cracked and gone all gooey over a rescue pup - but it's in Spain. hmm It is gorgeous pup and I will admit to having gone back several times to have a peek and check he hasn't been homed, but I can't get past all the dogs in UK rescue that need a home. Ireland didn't seem such a big thing to me somehow, as my family are from Ireland, I spent a good proportion of my childhood there and we still spend a fair bit of time there and see first hand the problems they have with dog welfare etc. In fact I did a report on dog welfare in Southern Ireland as part of my Cert in Canine Studies many moons ago. Manys the time we've caught a stray while we've been over there and nearly ended up bringing them home - so it wouldn't be too far of a leap to adopt from there. Spain just doesn't feel the same.

Not sure what to do, as it's so unlike dh to fall for a pup - it's usually me. blush

mistlethrush Tue 25-Jun-13 12:09:57

Mine does stealth licking of visitors grin Its OK if they like dogs, but not when they don't - and I spent an entire string quartet trying to stop her from going and telling the two violinists how wonderful she was and giving them big kisses... Her digestion has settled down tremendously and she rarely makes room clearing smells anymore... my friends two greys do though!

Moose - I'm with you on the dog rescue situation - although if he's fallen for one I can see your indecision... Would be quite a nice weekend break to go and see it wink

I would like a second.. but it all adds to the costs - its particularly the dog walking that would be a concern, otherwise I would go and collect Maisie from LL tomorrow.... If you get the right pair they do keep each other company and give each other much more exercise on walks. We used to race our two collie crosses - big open space, catch them both by the collar - one two three GO!!! and they were off, rarring at each other at full speed, then back again to repeat the process - they always started better with a 1,2,3 though! (unless they were playing chase through the sand dunes) (or one got the other cornered in a shallow bit of river) (or they were in the garden) (grin)

I know some people that have up to 6 dogs - often one of them being a terriorist and 5 varied lurchers / greys. I would find that too much to cope with I think!

LostInWales Tue 25-Jun-13 12:39:41

I can't wait until we are a two hound family. I get such sad looks if I even pop to the shops and leave him on his own and he is like my shadow in the house, so even if I get up to put the washing on he has to come with me and inspect my work wink. I am hoping he will put some of his affection onto the new dog, especially as when my friend brings her girl pup around (7 months, tiny petite whippet and her coat is pure black and oh so shiny, I am utterly in love with her!) he has eyes only for her and they play silly games together and then curl up in a heap not remotely interested in us hoomans. I keep telling her if she was a good friend she would just give me her dog but apparently that's unreasonable?

Moose I think we have identical boys! I have DS1 who is 13 and on the spectrum, when he is excited/nervous about something he just goes motor mouth and won't leave my side. Although we are not having a yearly review this year because the consultant has left and not been replaced. Which is interesting because he is starting some GSCE's early next term and I need a letter for exams so he gets extra time. Ah well, there's another thing for my long long list.

Whippety boy is a terrible food stealer, I got a call when we were whizzing back up the M4 after a hospital visit that we were to come to the beach to collect him (a friend was dog sitting him for me) and we needed to bring a dozen sausages to make up for the load he had just stolen off the BBQ blush. He is behaving much better on the school run though now I have remembered to pay attention to him and his reactions. Although one day I was carrying a very large shopping bag so I just put him the opposite side of it to his nemesis and confused the poor little thing immensely, he was hopping about on his wall sure there was something he should be barking at but he couldn't see where grin.

LostInWales Tue 25-Jun-13 12:58:29

Look, look tennis We could do some training on here
tennis


tennis

tennis tennis

moosemama Tue 25-Jun-13 13:02:22

Aaargh! Just met the neighbours on the drive - they took in a parcel for me (Lurcherboy's new treat ball).

I think they were just going to run walk away, when I asked if the dog has been any better (I knew the answer, as am recording him myself) ... and they said they hadn't heard him at all - which is odd, because he's howled like a good un twice in the last fortnight and both times the husband was home. confused

So, got a chance to explain that we'd lost oldgirl and lurcherboy couldn't handle being alone, as he's never been an only dog - but we are doing a comprehensive behaviour modification programme with him and he is making progress. Also told him we'd been advised by several experts that ultimately the only thing that may work is to get another dog for company for him, but that I want to do everything we can to get him calm and settled first.

Then they said they left the note because they thought we should know he was doing it, as much as anything and I thanked them and said yes, we did need to know.

Then I came in the house - having been 20 minutes, instead of 10 due to talking to them, switched on the recording and ironically, he'd been howling and barking the place down for 10 minutes, despite not finishing his kong or kibble toy (I made them a bit more difficult for him today). hmm sad

Honestly, if I could play the tape to you - I would. It sounds so different from a couple of weeks ago. Now it's like temper, not distress and when I got in he was lying in his bed, no sign of dribble or stress - just lying there. confused

He now likes it when I go out. Runs to the worksurface to wait for his treat toys and starts on them without a backward glance. If I have to pop back in he ignores me and carries on scoffing. I'm starting to thing we have successfully counter-condition the actual leaving, but once he's had enough food from his toys he is just fed up of being on his own and starts shouting for us to come back.

This morning he's had a good walk, off and on-lead, a half hour ball playing session in the garden and been out to the dentists with us. I had hoped he might be at least a bit tired. hmm

Just had to shut the door and walk away, because I felt myself getting cross with him when I was listening to the tape and that's both stupid and unhelpful. sad

moosemama Tue 25-Jun-13 13:07:10

grin at tennis

Lurcherboy would have a ball (pun intended) on here today.

Forgot to say - took three tennis balls with us on our walk this morning and he would only pay any attention to the bright pink one we've been taking for the past couple of weeks. hmm He would run after the others - with the pink ball in his mouth - then sniff them and leave them there.

Tried again in the garden and he would play with the others, but only if the pink one was hidden from sight, so not an option. He would also properly retrieve with the other two, but wouldn't bring the pink one right back.

I think he luffs his pink tennis ball and no-one else can have it - it's his and his alone. grin

Little does he know, pink tennis ball is going into early retirement and will only accompany us on walks stuffed safely inside my bag, where it will stay - unless he does something worthy of an A grade reward. grin

LostInWales Tue 25-Jun-13 13:15:38

Mean moosemama wink grin

moosemama Tue 25-Jun-13 13:21:47

Yup - that's me.

Oldgirl had a squeaky toy she was totally obsessed with, but could 'kill' in 20 seconds and we could no longer get hold of new ones. In the end we took it everywhere with us and she would recall like a rocket if she heard even the slightest squeak from it, but she was never allowed more than one throw and that was for mega-good top grade behaviour.

See .... mean, mean, mean. grin

My concerns are obviously cost but we have 4 cats and a snake as well as soon to be a dog so we already have quite large insurance/vaccine/ worming/flea treatment/food costs. But my main concern is that I have 2 children of my own (6 and 2), a stepson (almost 12-4 days a fortnight) and daily between 3 and 6 additional children (18months to 10years) in the house as well as two or three school runs, snack times, lunch times etc where I can keep control of one dog but perhaps not two. Billy very quickly improved with food and I shut him in the garden while getting children in and out at school runs or if all walking just held him while kids went out and I then squeezed out afterwards.
I worry about them winding each other up and getting very excited with a living room full. Walking I do alone most week days so I think I'd be fine with that as it's usually pretty quiet when I'm out too. I also worry about space as we have a corner where Nelly and then Billy had thier beds but I don't think two would fit in that space and with a busy house I think it's important for the dog/s to have a space out of the way to go to if they choose to. In the future there's no reason they can't go upstairs but in the beginning we plan to have the upstairs for the cats to escape if the dog we get needs some training wrt them.

moosemama Tue 25-Jun-13 14:05:12

I think you're concerns are valid, especially the ones about handling/controlling two dogs around your dcs and charges. We have a wooden baby gate on our kitchen and the dogs stay in the kitchen when we are going in and out of the front door or if I'm unable to supervise them - so if I go to the toilet and lurcherboy is in the living room with the family I send him to his bed in the kitchen and shut the gate.

I have always enjoyed having multiple dogs, but am not sure if I would take on two at the same time, iyswim.

That's what I said to dh, perhaps settle this one then think about a second. He just really wants peanut and doesn't want to force me into a dog I don't want again! Hoping tonight will give us some clarity on which to get or perhaps leave both and go for Mali hmm confused

moosemama Tue 25-Jun-13 14:26:38

I feel for you cinnamon, it's a hard decision.

I feel similarly confused about the pup that dh has fallen for. It's really unusual for him to be the one that gets the 'heart thud' moment about a dog, although he's always completely daft over any new dog/pup we take on once it arrives. So I kind of feel, if he feels about this pup like I did about lurcherboy and oldgirl then I would be wrong to stand in his way - but - it's me that is going to be home with this pup 24/7 and will do all the training and 99.9% of the walking etc and so there's a part of me that wants to just say no and go with what I want instead - but - then again, I also know I am hopeless for loving every dog I meet, so I know I would love this pup if we did go for it. confused

That's tough, Cinnamon. We took on two fosters last year that came as a pair, but they are elderly and lovely, and we don't have DC or the other animals that you do. With all that going on, I think you are right to be cautious.

I took the Norty Minx with me this afternoon to the CARIAD demonstation at the Welsh Govt building (the Senedd). Aged 10 and her first demo! She was very good. Being a pointy, I of course took a nice fleece blanket with me and when we arrived I found a nice shady spot with a good view of the speakers. Unrolled my fleece and set it out before her as befits her royal status. She sniffed approvingly and then had a massive wee on it. grin Sigh. So she was cruelly forced wink to sunbathe on hard slate steps. Fleece is now in the washing machine. hmm smile

moosemama Tue 25-Jun-13 17:23:01

Scuttle, I think I am starting to understand why she is called Norty Minx. grin

I am feeling a bit happier after having a much nicer walk with Lurcherboy this afternoon. He was much better behaved and did some lovely lurchery obedience training. smile

He also loved his new treat ball and it kept him quieter much longer than the other toys - so that's hopeful.

He's looking happier as well. Currently flat out on the living room carpet, dreaming of rabbit chasing - judging by the manic nose and foot movements! grin

Soooo.....we went last night and I forgot to take photos of course!!!!!!

We spent more time with each and both still feel the same sad We ended up with more time with peanut as the girl had to go and sort something with the other dogs. He chased the boys a bit but lost interest very quickly, he chased a ball for two seconds and lost interest so quite good for cats I guess, just still love Barry. DH feels peanut was calmer whereas I feel the opposite. We ended up tossing a coin and he won. Didn't know how else to do it, one of us is going to be disappointed. I'm concerned if we say no to these and go elsewhere (as my mum suggested) the same will happen again. I'm sure I will grow to love peanut but it's so hard to ignore your gut.

I feel a bit disappointed at dh as he said he felt guilty for forcing me to have Billy and wanted me to be happy. He knows I'd rather have Barry and I will be spending most time with him but he won't let me have him sad

Barry is much smaller than peanut which I think would be easier for me and he was hand reared. We asked the girl (who is the daughter of the trainer 16-17 I'd guess) who she felt would be most suitable and she said she couldn't choose between them! They hand reared Barry so she's very close to him but Peanut came to them from a small puppy so she's very close to both. She couldn't give us and idea as to which would be less likely to chase the cats and she said both are very soppy so would be great with the kids.

I've got to ring him back today and let him know we are planning to go Friday to collect one. Dh said we can spend a bit more time with Barry then but I feel he won't change his mind so would just be more messing the trainer and dog around and we really can't have two sad

Sorry to moan, all I've done since I joined this thread is whinge! blush

mistlethrush Wed 26-Jun-13 10:36:29

I can understand the dilemma Cinnamon - and sharing it is the obvious thing to do. I wouldn't get two rescue dogs at the same time, I would definitely give one time to settle down and learn the house rules before you get a second - then the first can actually help by showing the second the rules anyway.

DH is being a bit of a swine then if he is demanding his choice even if its you that's going to be doing most of the dog care. DH and I had a good discussion about which of the two dogs to try out - we went through the pros and cons of both - DS wanted the first - I had a leaning towards the second, if only because she was 2 not 5....

What I would say is that the lack of going after a ball does not have any indication of prey drive. We had two collie crosses. One was COMPLETELY ball mad and could have got fixated upon them if we'd taken them on walks (but we didn't, on purpose). She would chase deer and hares but wasn't really bothered about anything else and didn't regularly catch things. The other had absolutely no interest in the ball whatsoever - if you threw it you could go and get it yourself type attitude. She was a killing machine on legs right up until she died aged 14 - you could tell where she was by hearing the dying cries of rabbits and seeing pheasants explode from the ditches half a mile away. She once caught a woodpigeon out of the air.

What is peanut going to do with you? He clearly isn't going be terribly interested in playing with the children - which could be a positive or a negative - but I specifically wanted a dog that would like to interact with DS (he's 8) and be good with his friends. Wanting to chase a ball is good from the pov of playing with children too as they can learn to use a ball flinger or throw a frisbee. Peanut doesn't sound as though he will be toy-mad - which means that he'll have plenty of attention to give to the cats. Having a dog that you can play with keeps them mentally stimulated and hopefully means that they might be less keen on going after the cats??? (that's just a supposition, but you can see how it might work).

What does DH see in Peanut that he doesn't in Barry? And in what way does he think that will help?

Thanks for your input mistlethrush, esp. with the ball. Nelly would never play with a ball, sticks or ropes but was interested in animals outside home but fine with the cats. Billy was obsessed with balls and got excited by anything moving at all. It would be great for a dog to play with the children but as I have lots around that have varying interests in animals I don't really want one that jumps up and wants to play everything they move a bit quickly iyswim.

Peanut was running around with them but once he realised they didn't have anything just left them until they ran again and then he looked interested again. I honestly think dh wants him because he is a very striking dog, he's really gorgeous and he wants a dog that looks good when we're out with them. He also likes big dogs and he's 32Kg so pretty big. He said he felt he was calmer but I disagree with that and I think that both of them being around 2 will be quite excitable.

I am home every day, I do most walks (all morning ones as we can then get up at the same time, I take dog while he gets ready for work and I get myself and the children sorted after he's gone). My reasons for Barry are I felt he had lots of character, got excited about the children running around but a bit of fuss from me easily distracted him. He's smaller so easier to handle for me, he's been hand reared so lots of human contact and has been in a house at least part of his life and his reason for not racing was that he gave up after 200m because 'it wasn't worth his effort' according to the trainer. They have his sister at home and she has a lovely temperament (not sure about how similar littermates are) and he's just so cheeky and cute I couldn't say no!

Everyone I know seems to assume that I will get my way because I'm the woman but I don't want him to be disappointed as I really feel gutted (much more than I expected) that we're not getting Barry and I don't want him to feel that way. Peanut is next on the list to go into homefinders so also if we don't get him now he'll be gone and I think at the back of dh's mind is that Barry may still be there when Peanut is settled and we could get him at a later date. The thing is you don't know how long it will take as they could have a splurge of rehomings and he's young and lovely so I'm sure he won't hang around long either.

mistlethrush Wed 26-Jun-13 11:16:29

Look at it this way... Peanut is going to find a home BECAUSE he has such good looks. He won't be waiting long. Barry is less striking so will get overlooked - a bit of the black dog syndrome. We had the same with the two we looked at - the first had Saluki feathering and was very attracting - and was definitely housetrained, mistlehound was rather a non-descript scruffy - although you wouldn't think that to look at her now. And she was probably not housetrained. We thought we could cope with mistlehound whilst some other people might not, whereas the first one would almost certainly get rehomed pretty quickly (she was). So we brought the more difficult to place dog home with us.

Re the 'interest' - one of the things I commented to DH last night was I love the fact that mistlehound sees DS coming in her direction out in the garden and immediately wags her tail and asks for a tummy rub - or suggests a game of ball. And she'll go adventuring with him. I like the fact that she is interested even if you don't have a treat because that means she's interacting with you because she wants to and gets pleasure from it, rather than just because she wants a treat.

Another thing to think about... you're out walking Peanut and he injures himself and you have to pick him up and carry him and get him in the car.... It might seem just about doable with Barry but I think that you would struggle a lot with Peanut - mistlehound is 24kg and is just about doable for me but 32 kg would be out of the question.

That's also what I think, I bet he will be in and out in a few days as he's so lovely looking and young. I imagine Barry will be too, he's no gargoyle! So wish I'd remembered to take photos, was concentrating on the dogs sad

mistlethrush Wed 26-Jun-13 12:44:05

Cinnamon - that's what you should be doing, concentrating on the dog, not worrying about a camera. To me, Barry sounds as though he was interested in you for being you, not just for treats - and for me that's a really important thing for a dog - that willingness to connect with you, to look at you and try to work out what you'd like them to do etc. And another one of my requirements (part of a very long list) for mistlehound was that she needed to want to be close to us - have a cuddle on the sofa, sit on our feet etc - rather than being more independent like a cat (I know some whippets and greys can be like that).

They were both very keen for a fuss and very friendly, both very licky which I said I didn't want but they were so pleased to see us!

I emailled dh a list of my reasons in case he would see my point of view, he has replied to me :-I thought peanut was very playful, licky and played well with the boys, much much better than I thought he would, showed no inclination to chase the ball and seemed much calmer than billy, he is very much what i would want in a dog and is every bit the replacement for billy for me. He didn't pull at all while holding the lead unlike Billy did when when he strained against the collar to get at toys in the cage at yarmouth. Barry is nice enough but doesn't light me up and is a little disappointing, bit small tiny ears that i can't pull on or twiddle in my fingers and I didn't see him as being more playful just more manic.

I agree about what you say re hand rearing but neither Jim or daughter would be drawn on saying which of them would be safer for the moggies where I would expect them to fall onto Barry's side straight away. Barry has spent at least the last 12-18 months in a kennel so how much use house rearing would be I don't know and we don't know how peanut started his life.

I think I'm worried because I had that connection with Nelly the first time I met her. I wasn't at all sure about Billy and it ended badly, don't want the same to happen, but the sensible side of my brain says it didn't end as it did because he wasn't my choice it was because he was the wrong dog for us. My heart is making me sad because I so want it to be right and I feel if it's my choice of dog it will be right and that is not necessarily the case!

mistlethrush Wed 26-Jun-13 13:24:31

No, its not necessarily the case - but you husband is not giving you ANY choice in this - Billy was his choice, not yours, don't let him force you down the wrong route again.

Can you arrange to walk first one then the other dog at the weekend? Don't rush into things just to get a dog.

DH is thinking very much about HIS needs (twiddling ears (!!!)) but absolutely nothing about your needs - and you are going to be the primary carer - or the rest of the family's needs - which, given school hours etc I would have thought should actually take priority over his needs! With that many smaller children around I would again be going for something smaller rather than larger - even our nearly 23" tts lucher scares the living daylights out of some of DS's smaller friends even though she's not at all pushy. Having a dog with its head at your head height is daunting for many people....

mistlethrush Wed 26-Jun-13 13:25:59

And what is his issue with the ball - again, this has absolutely no indication of his prey drive.

I guess I feel a bit backed into a corner, which he told me he wouldn't do after feeling very guilty about everything with Billy.

I had fallen in love with Billy by the time he bit me and if it hadn't been for that we would have worked through everything else with him as he was very much our family dog even if it was only 3 weeks. We took him everywhere, spent lots of time with him, tried to find good distractions to the cats and he had improved loads with stealing food from the children. I'm sure I will love peanut once he's here it's just very sad to find a dog you somehow connect with, even if you can't explain it, and not take them home. I was single when I got Nelly so it was my choice and my choice alone. I am not good at saying no and seeing as he never felt Nelly was his dog but did with Billy I'm more inclined to let him have his way!

mistlethrush Wed 26-Jun-13 14:00:54

Have you told him you feel backed into a corner? I think he is being very unfair - this needs to be a joint decision but he's not giving you an inch and you're giving him a mile. And yet you are the one that is going to have to spend most of your time doing most of the stuff. I know exactly what you mean by that connection - that's what we got from mistledog - and we got it again with mistlehound - despite being pleased to be out of the kennel on a walk she was still interested in us and making that eye contact that made me think that we had some hope of creating a good bond with her.

Just phoned him, his response was I don't another dog that I'm clearing up after and paying for that I don't feeling anything for. I said I will be with him most of the time doing most of the work so he said that's it then get the one you want, what I want doesn't matter and hung up on me sad

This is so much harder than it should be, should be lots of fun and excitement!

mistlethrush Wed 26-Jun-13 14:43:01

Well you clearly need to find a dog that you can both agree on.

He really is being unreasonable...

Chances are that whatever dog you get will favour you as the main care giver (although that's not worked in our house - mistlehound started out being a Daddy's girl, fretting if he went out etc, even if I was there - but now she gallops off the sofa to greet me when I bring DS home from school as though she's been on her own all day grin

I worry we will never find one we both love as we are clearly looking for different things! I want to go for one that's slightly smaller he wants as big as possible with big ears apparently!

I do wonder what would have happened if I'd won the toss hmm

mistlethrush Wed 26-Jun-13 15:08:47

If he's looking for big ears he needs a saluki cross or a podenco or similar. Not a greyhound. Or perhaps a basset? Now there is a big dog with big ears.

Can you do a longer session with both of them at the weekend?

Is he going to give you any say in the matter?

He had a basset hound when he was a teenager and said it was his favourite dog ever until he met me and found greyhounds.

I don't think a longer session will help, his mind's made up. He texted to apologise for putting the phone down. Should be home by 5.30 and we can discuss more hopefully! Thank you so much for being my sounding board I appreciate it grin

mistlethrush Wed 26-Jun-13 16:07:10

If you can't agree on these two, perhaps neither of them is the right one for you as a couple?

I'm glad he's apologised about putting the phone down! grin (I don't think so badly of him now!!!).

It is such a hard decision to make, but its not fair for him to give absolutely no weight to your thoughts or concerns! (And if he dares to complain about picking up the bill and having no say in the matter, say you'll pay the bills and start charging him for childcare and household duties.... )(wink)

moosemama Wed 26-Jun-13 16:08:19

Cinnamon, it sounds very hard. I'm afraid I have to agree with mistle and say, I think your dh is being both unreasonable and very unfair on you - especially as it's you that will be spending all day every day with the dog, but that doesn't help you at all does it? Sorry.

Is there any chance you could perhaps just call a halt, have neither and just take a break from looking for a while - then maybe spend some time looking together online at dogs that are available through other rescues etc so you at least have some consensus of opinion before you go to meet them?

We decided not to go for the pup dh wanted and actually I was quite taken with him as well by the time we made the decision, but I can't help feeling somewhere out there is the right dog and we will just know. I could be deluded of course, but it's always worked for us in the past and I do feel like I have to trust, iykwim.

Lurcherboy has been good as gold today. Mum had him all morning, as she was babysitting dd while we took ds1 to his secondary orientation morning. So, Mum had to do all the exit malarky and put down the kongs and treat toys I'd prepared him for two school runs, which she did brilliantly and he was fine.

The new treat ball is a big hit with him, seems to be keeping him occupied far longer than the other toys and has a larger capacity, so doesn't run out as quickly. He's also - finally - started bothering with his kongs now I'm using large biscuits to jam in the end instead of something squishy.

mistlethrush Wed 26-Jun-13 16:10:44

Ooh Moose can you tell me which one you got from where please? Mistlehound likes her treat ball but its rather too easy - and we've got kibble that would be fine in one and it would give her something to do that's a bit more active (for those evenings where she's restless but I can't take her out for whatever reason)

moosemama Wed 26-Jun-13 16:53:03

It's this one off ebay mistle.

It's got a decent capacity in one half of the ball and you can adjust the internal holes to make it easier or harder - and it's rubberised so doesn't sound so loud when he's batting it about.

Bear in mind Lurcherboy is a lazy so and so, who gives up easily if things are a little too hard for him, grin but so far he's kept at it and the last recording revealed he was still chasing it around after 17 minutes (when I arrived home) and it was half full when I checked it afterwards.

I'm filling it with the kibble we use for holidays and when he goes to kennels (although they've started to do raw for him now) and chucking in a couple of cubes of home-cooked garlic chicken as well to keep him interested. (I slow cook the chicken until it's really dry and I can chop it into clicker training sized treats.)

moosemama Wed 26-Jun-13 16:56:15

I had another dog book arrive today. Honestly, my reading pile is massive at the moment. I'm currently reading:

Life skills for puppies
Gwen Bailey's Perfect Puppy (re-reading)
Turid Rugaas' On Talking Terms with Dogs (re-reading)
The Genius of Dogs
In Defence of Dogs (arrived today)
Walking Ollie

The last one has me laughing out loud several times a minute - which cheeses dh off no end! grin

Anyone got any other good dog book recommendations while I'm on a roll?

Decision made! We had a long chat decided I didn't want to say no to both just because I couldn't get my way. Dh said he wasn't sure if he could love Barry if he came here and I know I will love any dog we have. Phoned the guy and he told me Barry is going to Homefinders tomorrow sad at least he will have a lovely home soon. I will link to him when he goes up on the website!

moosemama Wed 26-Jun-13 19:01:48

Aw cinnamon, I'm so sorry for you - but pleased at the same time that you'll have canine company again very soon.

I know a little of how you must be feeling, because I had to console myself that Seren is bound to get an amazing home and that that's ok - even if it's not with me. sad

Picking him up Friday afternoon, had a few tears for the dog that never was but looking forward to a doggy house again.

mistlethrush Thu 27-Jun-13 08:45:20

(((hugs)))

My cat just came home after three weeks who knows where. She's lost weight but looks pretty healthy otherwise! Just eaten her way through what all four normally have for one meal!

mistlethrush Fri 28-Jun-13 08:53:00

Very pleased she's fine. I hope she sticks around.

I'm in love!! A few hours home and peanut is so lovely. He's ignored my crazy hissing ball of cat, done very well at dinner time, not followed me every second but very keen on cuddles. He hasn't laid down apart from in the car but he's eaten alreay and has the most amazing tail that is like a propeller, going round in circles. Haven't managed to take a photo that does him justice yet smile

MagratGarlik Fri 28-Jun-13 21:51:06

That's lovely cinnamon. Here's hoping her settles in smoothly.

He's just had a massive sniff of one of my cats and done nothing else!! Such a relief. Have posted a few pics smile

MagratGarlik Fri 28-Jun-13 22:32:36

Stunning boy!

Good luck with him.

moosemama Sat 29-Jun-13 12:10:24

He's gorgeous Cinnamon. So pleased he's ok with your cats as well. smile

My oldest cat has just wandered over to peanut and they sniffed each other he then started a playful bounce around so she retreated to the window ledge! She the smartest of all 4 and has realised he's not going to do her any harm the others are still wary.

We took him to the park yesterday and he did so well, got lots of attention from kids and adults! He loves to chase a ball but when he gets to it won't pick it up, any tips for playing? He's not fussed with cuddlies or the rubber ring we have.

We have a beautiful sunny morning here, hope everyone else is as lucky and can enjoy some lovely doggy time smile

moosemama Sun 30-Jun-13 09:10:23

I am so happy for you - and of course Peanut ... and the cats - that it's going so well.

Not sure what to suggest about the playing. I have heard of people using clicker training to teach some dogs to retrieve, but not sure if that would work with a greyhound.

Lurcherboy got a present yesterday - a thundershirt. He wore it for a couple of hours, had a good go to see if it came off when he did his usual back-scratching routine on the living room carpet and then went to sleep. Going to put it on him again this morning and then take the dcs up to the park for a short visit to see if it has any impact at all on his howling.

He was doing really well until I stuffed things up by misjudging the time yesterday when I went to the school summer fair. Thought I'd been out just under half an hour - turned out it was 35 minutes and he screamed the place down for most of the last 10 minutes I was out. hmm Really hoping it hasn't set us back too much, as he was doing so well. So cross with myself. sad

mistlethrush Sun 30-Jun-13 20:07:03

Sounds as though its going really well with Peanut!

(Are you keeping the name?)

I've just seen an update on one of the dogs in foster for the rescue I got mine - she's started playing after 6 months or so - so the fact that he's not playing much now doesn't mean that he won't in time.

Yes we are keeping the name, he seemed to know it well and ds's like it smile

mistlethrush Mon 01-Jul-13 13:26:23

And, lets be honest, he's got a brain the size of one as he's a greyhound (I think there's lots of grey in mistlehound partly due to the lack of much going on between the ears) grin

True grin

Barry on homefinders, they've kept his racing name of Manjo smile

houndgirl2be Tue 02-Jul-13 00:51:56

We adopted our gorgeous greyhound girl 4 weeks ago. She is amazing. So calm and happy. Loves her walks and eats up well. Ignores the cat and puts up with the kids. However... despite all the training tips we have had from the kennels we adopted her from, she is utterly distressed when we leave her alone. I'm so upset to leave her alone. I'm at home almost all the time at the moment but I would like to be able to go shopping without worrying about her. So the big question is. We have room, we can afford it and we would love it... Would having another greyhound help? I'd love another anyway but I'd like to know if it will help her. Any tips for two greyhounds? Better? Worse?

mistlethrush Tue 02-Jul-13 08:14:29

Houndgirl - If you look down this thread you will see Moose has been having separation anxiety problems with her dog following the death of her other one - there are lots of useful things that she's been doing. However, you should also be able to find lots on separation anxiety from greyhound adoption sites, or places like Lurcher Link. It does take a lot of hard work, but its worth it - to be honest I would get your one less worried about being left before you get a second otherwise you might simply end up with 2 that both worry about being left!

moosemama Tue 02-Jul-13 12:09:23

Hi houndgirl, you have my sympathies - you and I are in the same position - trapped in the house.

I am actually escaping tomorrow as my PILs have offered to dogsit for the day - first time in 24 years of dog ownership! [shocked]

I have been doing a lot of work with Lurcherboy to get him generally less anxious before we take on another pup, as I'm worried about doubling the trouble, iyswim and it is working, but it's a painfully slow process and three steps forwards, two steps back. We've reached the point where he's not a velcro dog anymore and doesn't stress when we leave, but starts howling when he's finished noshing his kongs and treat toys instead. Max we can leave him is 25 minutes at the moment.

I do know that often greyhounds are better in pairs though, as they are used to being with other greyhounds 24/7 until they are homed at the end of their career. Are you a member of the Greyhound Gap Forum at all? It might be worth joining and asking their advice, as they obviously have a lot of experience with adopted greyhounds.

Have to go and take dd to nursery now, but will be back later if you want to chat.

mistlethrush Tue 02-Jul-13 12:19:49

(And, of course, Cinnamon has identified a lovely, not too large, hand reared greyhound who I'm sure that she would be really happy to know went to a good home and might indeed keep in touch a bit!)

We worried about SA in our lurcher shortly after we got her - got some advice and got that going and she's really settled down now. To the extent that, like previous dogs, we now tell her we're going out and she settles down on her bed in the hall where she can see us leaving - although she's normally back of the sofa by the time we return and weaves her way in a sleepy way back into the hall to say hello that we're back.

I'm also rather smug because she's decided that she would like to be with me, not DH. When we first got her, DH was definitely 'the one' - and she got worried when he went out even if I was around. However, she'll now choose to come and lie down on the hard bathroom floor whilst I have a shower rather than stay downstairs (OK, so she's probably getting out of DS's way too....) - its not food, and its not time spent with her (as DH works from home at the moment) so I think it is just because I tend to take her out for more 'extra' walks, and do a little bit more with her at the weekend, share the sofa with her and do more playing.

MagratGarlik Tue 02-Jul-13 21:12:51

Complete change of subject, but Scruples had the most adorable whippet pup at the moment. She is 4 months old and her name is Lola.

moosemama Tue 02-Jul-13 21:49:08

Oh yes Magrat, I saw her on FB today. She's beautiful. smile

I had ds1 off with anxiety due to secondary transition today, so decided totake him and Lurcherboy out for a good long walk in the fields.

We ended up walking for over two hours and ds was a different child once we were out in nature. He finally relaxed enough to talk about some of his worries. On the way home, we walked through one of his favourite parks and he was delighted to find he had the whole play area to himself. It was lovely to see him clambering around looking relaxed and actually smiling. Didn't last long unfortunately, as one of the horrible girls from his year managed to upset him when we went to pick up ds2, by reminding him in a spiteful way that the rest of his year are off to visit the local academy tomorrow, so he'll be stuck with just 4 other children who aren't going there. Still it was lovey while it lasted.

The reason I'm telling this story is that the combination of lots of road work and free running once again hit the spot for Lurcherboy, who came home, flopped in his bed and slept through the afternoon school run! shock

So, it appears not to be the amount of exercise (have walked him for that long before plenty of times, but without the road work) but the combination of roadwork and free running that makes the difference. Last time I walked him over that way and did a mix of road and field he was exhausted and went half an hour without a peep as well - so there may be something in this.

Mind you, I am paying for it tonight. I have a condition called CRPS (Chronic Regional Pain Syndrome) in my foot, following an injury last summer and boy is it hurting tonight. It was worth it though and to be honest, due to the bizarre nature of this condition I can get the same amount of pain from just walking to the corner shop some days and be fine on others. hmm

I am sitting on the sofa with my foot raised and have dispatched dh to the shop for all important chocolate supplies! grin

I have a day off from SA training tomorrow. My PILs have offered to look after Lurcherboy at their house for the day, as I have dd's Reception Transition morning to go to. So, we're going to make the most of it and go out to lunch, then do something nice together in the afternoon (haven't a clue what yet - probably shopping if she gets her way hmm). Dh is dropping Lurcherboy on his way to work and picking him up on the way home. It's going to be really strange having a dogless house and I'll be desperate to get him back by tea time, but I do really need a break.

Sorry to hear about your ds and your foot moosemama.

Have unlocked the cat flap this afternoon, gulp!!

Random question, peanut will not poo when we're out. Have taken to putting him the garden as soon as we get home and he goes then. Would rather not have poo in the garden if I can help it, any ideas?

moosemama Tue 02-Jul-13 22:29:28

Ah, thanks - my foot is old news these days and as the only treatment is using it to remind my brain that it still works, it fits in quite nicely with dog walking! grin

Ds is a work in progress, we knew transition would be hard and the last couple of weeks at this school are bound to be particularly bad for him.

Good luck with the cat flap, but it sounds like he'll be fine from what you've posted so far.

As for the poo - sorry, I've no idea. One of my dogs used to refuse to poo anywhere but our garden and I distinctly remember panicking the first time we went away, as he held it in for four whole days before finally giving in! shock We gave him loads of fuss and treats every time he did it while we were away, but he still carried on refusing to go anywhere but our garden as soon as we were home. hmm

Could it perhaps be that he's just not feeling relaxed enough walking in new places and will start doing it when he's settled in a bit more do you think?

I did wonder that as he's not very sniffy while we are out and if dont stop the second he does to sniff he will leave it and carry on walking. He also jumps a bit at logs at the side or anything unexpected.

I'm not really worried about him with the cats but just that I've given them long enough to realise he's ok and for them to come back and feel safe. He's walked past all of them and hasn't done anything but whimper so hopefully they're smart enough to figure out he won't hurt them! They are getting really grumpy being in and dh is fed up of the litter tray (which I have been emptying!)

We are out walking now, and he's stopping a bit more so fingers crossed for a poo smile

mistlethrush Wed 03-Jul-13 09:02:36

Cinnamon - can I offer you some encouragement? Mistlehound could be taken out every half hour for a walk or in the garden when we got her, then come in and perform on the rug in the hall. Or the one in the sitting room. She thought that 'in' was where you did things. But we managed to get her to accept that 'out' was where you did things - and she eventually discovered that you could even do it whilst on a walk and you would get praised, not told off.... If you see any hopeful signs I would use your trigger/ command word so that, if it happens, you specifically asked for it to happen and can therefore praise particularly highly. Its probably because he's used to 'out' being 'exercise' rather than other business and it will take a while to unlearn. I am, however, glad that mistlehound DOES accept the garden is appropriate - last night she even managed a very quiet whine to indicate that she needed to go out (too much baked pig's trotter I think) at 4am - and I really wouldn't have appreciated having to get up to take her out of the garden for a walk at that time!!!

Hi Houndgirl, welcome to the cushion. smile

A lot of greyhounds aremuch, much happier with company around. Bear in mind that they have spent their entire lives when racing with other dogs round them - being kept alone is utterly alien to them. On top of that they are then placed in a strange new home and have to adjust to living in a domestic household. It's a massive transition, and it's a great tribute to them that so many of them manage it so well. We waited three months after our first arrived before our second came and the difference it made to our first was remarkable. He really perked up and LOVED having this bossy little female to tell him what to do.

Personally, I'd have a chat with your rescue - if you are willing to give a home to a second dog, this might be an option. It's possible that they would be willing for one of their dogs to come and have a short trial stay with you to see how this works - you could ask about this. A reputable rescue will also be able to provide some advice on helping your girl to settle. I'd be working hard on helping her to establish a routine, and possibly considering a DAP diffuser to help too.

Good luck. smile

Magrat, I now have a Barry Manilow earworm!! grin

MagratGarlik Wed 03-Jul-13 09:37:35

Dp wanted to name our lurcher Lola when we got her actually. He said her tiger strips and eyes which look like she's wearing heavy eyeliner make her look like an ageing showgirl. I won grin.

Cinnamon wrt poo, when we got our lurcher, she walked very well on the lead but didn't seem to know walking for fun. It took a good few months before she got the idea. She got there in the end though, just with time.

mistlethrush Wed 03-Jul-13 10:27:11

Our lurcher was a bit like taking zebeedee out on a lead - if there was another dog she bounced. If there was mud or a puddle she bounced. And I'm not talking head to waist type bounces, I'm talking head on the same level as mine bounces... Everyone knows me as the one with the bouncing lurcher - we've got used to it but it still amazes people when they see her up at shoulder height with very little preparation when she wants to see something and is not tall enough. She has always, though, had the remarkable ability of hardly pulling on the lead, despite this (all this is forgotten when we go racing as she wants HER TURN NOW!!!)

moosemama Wed 03-Jul-13 10:46:18

Dd has a cuddly toy dog called Lola - and also a best friend at school called Lola! grin She actually have virtually a whole kennel's worth of cuddly dogs and they all sleep in a dog, bed next to her bed and get brought down in the morning. They get walked, clicker trained, groomed and health checked - have their ears and teeth cleaned, claws clipped and the occasional injection and bandaged paw.

Mistle, lurcherboy used to do those 4-paw head-level bounces as a youngster - very impressive Tigger impression it was too! grin He's too big these days, but he can still leap a dog gate in one smooth deer-like movement if the mood takes him. Fortunately he now knows not to, as we had to do a lot of work to get him to stop when dd started getting mobile as a baby.

houndgirl2be Wed 03-Jul-13 16:15:10

Hi everyone!
Thank you ever so much for the advice and sorry I have not got back to you quicker. Moosemama, sorry to hear about your clingy boy sad I hope things improve for you . I am trying to build our girls confidence and am following all the tips given to me by our rescue. I spoke to them about the issue and they seemed to think that another GH would help, as they have always been together in pairs. I think we would need a more confident boy to bring her out of herself. We are going to go and meet some hounds at the weekend and they have said we would be okay to bring one home for a trial, the difficult bit would be explaining to the DCs that it is just a trial. Things are okay at the moment because I'm not working, but I have a PT job in september which would mean that she would need to be on her own for a few hours at a time. I'll let you all know how we get on. I'm just on the way out (wish me luck!) but i'll try to read back through the thread and get to know people a bit better later on xx

moosemama Wed 03-Jul-13 17:01:27

Thanks houndgirl, he's improving all the time, with a few backward slides here and there. Good luck with meeting the hounds this weekend.

I have enjoyed my day off, but the house feels so empty. It's horrible. Fortunately I have been out for most of the day, but coming back to an empty house three times has been awful.

Apparently lurcherboy was fine being left with my PILs this morning and has been thoroughly spoiled. I sent a big bag of his treats and his favourite ball, but am pretty sure he will have been fed all manner of contraband treats, which will make for interesting er ... deposits tomorrow. hmm grin

Hi everyone! Not been around much lately as been a busy bee.

However I am skulking back in to ask for advice about much less ShyDog. She has always been fine when I've gone out, if I'm going out for more than half an hour I leave her with a stuffed kong, but this last week she has been terrible. I'd noticed she was crying as went out - well she's obviously not settling straight down as in last week she has chewed and ruined my wooden bread bin (eating the full loaf inside it), a wooden bird box, and chewed a chunk out of my dining table leg!!! shock sad

All I can put it down to is her staying at my mum's for a week while we went on holiday, but she was home for well over a week before this separation anxiety came on.

I rent and I'm really worried I'll come home her to find she has chewed the door or a kitchen cupboard.

Please pointy owners what shall I do?? I am going to walk her to the pet shop tomorrow and get some DAP spray for her bed, and another sort of "busy" toy (although she seems to be saving her kong until I get home whereas she used to get stuck in while I was out). Is there anything obvious I might be missing??

Just reading back along the thread to see what I've missed and see others have asked or are working on separation anxiety too. At least I'm not the only one!

I was told my GH would be happier as an only dog, she didn't get on with the other dogs she was kennelled with (apparently she was quite the bossy boots). So I'd never considered getting another - don't think I have the room anyway TBH. :-/

moosemama Wed 03-Jul-13 20:23:56

Hi YourHand, sorry to hear you are struggling with SA as well.

I'd recommend the DAP diffuser, rather than the spray. Lurcherboy started to connect the smell of the DAP spray on his bed with me leaving, so we had to stop using it. hmm

As well as DAP, I use Dorwest Herbs Scullcap and Valerian tablets and top them up with a dose of valerian compound if he seems particularly on edge. I forgot to give him the pills for two days in a row last week and he howled like a wolf on the second day, so I do think they're having some effect.

I've found he doesn't really go for kongs. In fact he hasn't touched them at all since I bought his treat dispensing ball, even though I always put both down for him.

Also, only give her a kong/treat toy when you leave and remove it when you return. This will help her to associate you leaving with positive things happening and over time will counter-condition her current association with feeling anxiety/distress when you leave. If you leave the toy down when you are around, it doesn't have the same effect.

Have you tried desensitising her to your leaving routine? Doing things like picking up your keys then sitting down. Doing your hair, putting your coat on and picking up your handbag then watching tv. Basically, whatever your normal 'leaving the house routine' is, break it down and desensitise her to each step. Doing all this randomly, but frequently, gradually building up to doing the whole routine, but without leaving the house will help her to relax if she is picking up on signals that you are about to leave her.

Same with heading for the exit and actually going out of the exit. Work up to it very slowly, moving towards the exit a little way, but not leaving, then closer and closer, then hand on the door handle, then open the door, then stand in the doorway, then go through, then shut the door for a second, then gradually start extending the length of time you are on the other side before coming back in. You need to do each step lots of times and if she starts to look at all stressed or worried, go back a couple of steps until she is coping before moving on again.

You can also make sure she spends periods of time sitting in a different room to you with the door closed, so that she starts to relax when left on her own in a room. You can use a kong or treat toy for this, so that she makes positive associations with 'alone time'.

Do you usually have the tv or radio on when you are home at all? If so, perhaps try leaving it on when you go out, so there's some normal background noise rather than sudden silence when you close the door.

I presume she wasn't left alone by your mum, which could be what's behind this. It might also be that, after you brought her home, she started fretting when you left her sooner than you realise, but was perhaps just stressed and whiny at first, then worked her way up to the chewing/destructive behaviour.

The good news is that, as it's new behaviour, it shouldn't take very long to sort out. You just need to reaffirm the good associations she had with being at home and being relaxed when you left her that she had before she went to your mum's house.

houndgirl2be Wed 03-Jul-13 21:00:07

All these poor pointy hounds that don't like to be left sad I hope they all get sorted soon. Strategies I have been using are: a DAP diffuser, desensitisation, stuffed kongs, radio on, only letting her sleep in the one place you want her to be when you go out. Anyone go any other tips? I still think this is what she thinks when I leave... https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/p480x480/1002394_322542794544993_1219898551_n.jpg (hoping I copied that link correctly!)

houndgirl2be Wed 03-Jul-13 21:02:18

Oh - I'll get some valerian too! Thank you x

Thanks so much for all that advice moosemama! smile

My mum didn't leave her, she took the full week off work to spend with her and I got the impression she was reluctant to let me have ShyDog back.:-D

I do leave the radio on when I go out as I tend to have it on when I'm in. The house seems oddly quiet without a radio on so I leave it on for her.

Keeping the kong only for when I am out is a good idea. She usually really enjoys her kong. Will look for something similar to that ball too.

I definitely need to desensitise her to going out cues. For example if me or DS open the under stairs cupboard where our coats are she runs upstairs!

I think she is on edge in general, I've had the odd little cry from her today at random intervals, which she doesn't usually do, will get some of that compound and a plug in.

Thankfully her and DS and the cat are all living harmoniously now. The cat and her sniff each other and the cat is boss, and shydog is no longer scared of DS but they are both respectful of each other's space. One problem is sorted and another arises!

moosemama Wed 03-Jul-13 21:19:57

houndgirl, I think you may be right about that being what they think. sad grin

YourHand, it might be worth getting her checked over by the vet if she's been crying while you're with her and it's out of character. It's always better to eliminate the possibility of an underlying health problem first, before you start trying to adjust behaviour.

If you feel she is generally anxious, you could try a thundershirt. Some people have apparently had some very good results using them on greyhounds. I'm not sure it did much for Lurcherboy, but then he's not generally anxious, he's happy to sleep in another room with the door closed and for me to go upstairs, outside on the drive or in the garden without him etc - he just doesn't like me to leave the house for longer than 25 minutes. hmm grin

Valerian tablets and compound ordered. Hope they come quick, poor girl I do feel for her.

Houndgirl and moosemama hope yours settle soon too.

DS has just come downstairs and asked if we'll be sending ShyDog back as "she's wrecking the house". He does like to be dramatic! I've explained to him she's sad and missing us when we go out, and isn't used to being on her own.

X posts again!

I wondered if she could have tummy ache from eating a whole big loaf of bread in one go moosemama??!?

She has been ill in the past and seems healthy apart from the odd sad little cry. It's not like a yelp of pain, she is running and walking ok, happy as larry on her walks today, pooing and weeing ok and not at all lethargic. Will see how she is tomorrow.

moosemama Wed 03-Jul-13 22:43:25

When dh and I were first married we had, what I now know was a lurcher - being a sheltie cross whippet. When she was a pup, we went to visit friends in Wales - quite a long drive for a young pup. Stopped at a service station to nip to the toilet and in the 10 minutes we were gone, she escaped the dog-guard and got into our food bag. She ate an entire fresh white bloomer that was actually bigger than her whole body - not a crumb left. shock

We still puzzle sometimes about how she managed to fit a loaf that was physically bigger than her into her stomach. confused She earned the nickname tardis-dog that day, but apparently had no ill effects from her gluttony. grin

Could she be missing your mum do you think - if she was treated like a princess and totally spoiled for a week?

Tell your ds, she's not wrecking the house until she's eaten an entire kitchen cabinet, emptied and scoffed the entire contents of the fridge freezer and turned all the gas knobs on the cooker on, like one of mine did back in the early days of me having dogs. We were only gone for just over an hour as well! shock

Hope she starts to feel better and settle down soon.

Sorry to hear so many are struggling with lonely doggies sad

I've had my neighbour listening out for peanut when I go out as he cried so much when we shut him in the room next to ours the first night I assumed he wouldn't like being left and yesterday she texted me to say he was crying sad think I may set up some recording as moosemama did and see how it is. It's the first day the cats haven't been in so an empty house but with tv on. He's manic when I get home and has started nipping a bit, made me realise actually how afraid Billy biting me has made me. I have never been scared of a dog in my life now I am constantly looking for signs of aggression/upset.

My cats are all locked back in, they all left and didn't come back until last night! Several tried to but saw peanut and ran despite having been sniffed by him and not touched. My ginger Tom has him whimpering in a corner if they meet but still won't come in past him so think they need longer in!

Ds2 let peanut out yesterday! He disappeared round the corner so fast I thought he was gone. I had two children so could run after him too far but I ran up the road a bit, called him and he just came back! So relieved but also so lovely that despite having the world to explore he chose to come back to me grin

I got up earlier today to give peanut a longer walk. He spent the first 10mins with his tail half up looking like he needed a poo. Eventually went and then cowered his head I have him huge fusses and he looked so pleased with himself! So pleased for our patio and peanut of course smile

She could be missing my mum bless her. Mum came for tea on Friday just gone and shydog was sooo fussy to see her! Unfortunately my mum works full time so they'll have to remain holiday buddies. She was definitely spoilt there. Before going she was really good with not nattering for food but when she came back from my mums she was trying it on a bit. That's settled back to normal though thankfully.

I know what you mean about wondering where they put the massive bread loaf. Greedy sods! grin

Well done to Peanut on his poo outside the house!! I'm sure he'll soon get into the routine of realising he can do it on walks. Mine goes fine on walks but also on my lawn and it's starting to look a bit worse for wear.

Those thundershirts look promising!

As I'm already buying the tablets and compound, and a dap plug in I think my bank balance would thank me if I waited though before ordering one of those too. At least they have a money back guarantee though - that's good.

mistlethrush Thu 04-Jul-13 08:10:44

Yourhand, you could try an old kids Tshirt pulled tight at the back and knotted or an elastic band put on - if that helps a bit, a thundershirt might be better (and less embarrassing for the dog grin).

Our first dog was a lurcher - she ate 2lbs of Dorset Blue Vinney when it was incredibly difficult to find - and there were no ill effects. Our last dog could eat curry hotter than we can. Mistlehound has a much more delicate stomach. We moved her onto KWB kibble (lamb) - fine - then DH went and bought some more and got the turkey variety and it was drastic... Now we've got her back onto the lamb she does seem to be able to tolerate some extras without ill effect, although the pig's trotter (baked) that she's been eating does seem to have created some problems.

Nelly got like that as she got older, couldn't cope with any treats at all without having a really upset tummy sad felt so guilty we couldn't treat her but she was so miserable afterwards.

She did however steal a whole fruit cake, leaving the silver board clean on the floor with no ill effects about 7 years ago grin

moosemama Thu 04-Jul-13 10:34:29

Yay congratulations to Peanut on his first non-garden poo! grin

YourHand, we got our thundershirt from Pets at Home and they've been really good. We took the first one back because they'd given us a damaged, returned one by mistake, then we had to change the size and they were happy to exchange and said they will refund the whole price if it doesn't work.

Lurcherboy had a good day at PILs yesterday and was ridiculously pleased to see me when he got home, which was lovely. He pulled dh off his feet as they came through the door and launched himself onto my lap! grin

The only thing my ILs said was that FIL had to pop out for five minutes to the local shop and Lurcherboy must have thought he had been left alone, because he started howling literally the minute the front door shut. MIL was in the other room and just said his name and he stopped instantly. To be fair, he's only ever been there with us twice before, as they've recently moved, so he was in a strange place, without us for the first time and then thought he'd been left on his own. Praying it hasn't set him back at all now and can't test it out until this afternoon as I have dd home sick today.

moosemama Thu 04-Jul-13 15:47:38

Hmm, very interesting school run this afternoon.

As I had feared, he refused his treat toys when I put them down and just stared at me going out the door instead. He then started howling just 3 minutes after I left BUT he only howled for 2/3 minutes then stopped. He then did three separate short howls over the next 10 minutes and none at all for the last 5, just some quiet whining. He also ignored his treat toys until 13 minutes in, when I could hear him start to bat his ball around. (Both his ufo and treat ball were still pretty full when I got back as well.)

Finally, I took dd in the pushchair today as she keeps spiking a temp, so he could hear me putting the pushchair down etc before I came in the house. Interestingly, he did one short, very indignant, howl after he had heard us return. So clearly calling me, rather than just howling in distress.

Need to have a think and process it all, but I think and hope this might be a sign that something is shifting and he is finally learning to self-soothe, as he was able to stop the howling after he'd started and was relaxed enough to start eating the treats almost 15 minutes after I left.

moosemama Thu 04-Jul-13 17:04:34

Just back from cricket club pick up, having been delayed because ds1 won a medal for politeness, having the best manners and not once having caused a problem in 4 years of attendance and ....

Lurcherboy only howled once, 6 minutes in, then a little soft whining and that was it - for 25 minutes! shock

Maybe I should send him to the ILs more often! grin

mistlethrush Fri 05-Jul-13 08:29:28

Well done to DS for his medal! Perhaps he should make a medal for lurcherboy too - as he seems to be sorting himself out gradually, even if he's still complaining about it.

Looks as though I'm doing a transport run at the weekend - someone took on one of the rescue's dogs and then threatened to dump her with the RSPCA because she stole some food off the counter. sad She reminds me of mistledog too... and is an older lady, just wanting a place to call home. I happen to be going in the right direction ish at the weekend so can probably pick her up from someone else that's going to foster her temporarily.

moosemama Fri 05-Jul-13 10:00:57

Thank you mistle. I am so proud of him, especially as people have a pre-conception of children who have ASD being disruptive and difficult to manage. He's definitely changed the cricket coach's preconceptions. I can still remember his face when I went to talk to him before ds joined the club. To be fair, he didn't hesitate to say it was ok for him to join, I could see he thought there were bound to be problems.

I was so shocked when I read about those people threatening to dump her. Honestly, it makes my blood boil. They must have said all the right things at the homecheck and her bio did say she was a food thief, so what were they expecting. confused Bad enough that they want to give up on her so soon - but threatening to dump her with the RSPCA just smacks of their attitude being that dogs are just disposable toys, rather that living, breathing creatures. sad

We were told yesterday about a local litter of pups that are the result of an accidental mating. They're gorgeous obviously, but dh and I aren't sure. It's not a case of backyard breeding, just a mating mishap (although obviously if they'd had their dogs neutered it could never have happened) and the owners have really stepped up and done a fantastic dog of raising them. They're super healthy and really well socialised to adults and children, raised in a family household, so used to tv, vacuum, washing machine etc, but we still feel it's not right to go for one - although they're not ready to go yet anyway. I think it's just bad timing this week after seeing the behind the scenes competition for rescue pups, especially when people (like those people threatening to dump the LL girl) must lie through their teeth to get the dog they want and aren't anywhere near as committed as we are. Not sure what to think really. They're lurcher x springer spaniel and it doesn't help that they're such cute cuddly fat little bundles and are so forward going and keen to interact with people. They've had the best start possible and are going to make fantastic family pets.

mistlethrush Fri 05-Jul-13 10:05:50

Moose they sound adorable! (we were contemplating Sprollies at one stage of the 'what sort shall we look for' phase) but the springer is going to make them much more high energy for more of the time than the lurcher side!!!

moosemama Fri 05-Jul-13 10:26:59

I thought that about the Springer side mistle, but actually that doesn't bother me. I'd quite like a dog that's actually awake for more than hour a day and doesn't give up and decide to lie down and enjoy the scenery on a walk after 10 minutes chasing a ball! grin Also think they would be great at wearing Lurcherboy out.

Both parents are lovely. Mum is practically permanently horizontal in her lurchery laid-backness and patience and Dad has the softest nature and plays beautifully with the pups all day.

Still not at all sure though. Have to talk it through with dh a bit more, as we did say we definitely wanted a rescue. (Although I think some of these may well have to go to a local rescue (a lovely one) in the long run if they can't find homes for them all.)

Just noticed the typing error in my last post 'fantastic job of raising them' obviously. Honestly - I have dogs on the brain! blush

I can see why you want to get a rescue but I also think that you are taking in a dog without a home and doing something for you and your family. I felt guilty when I got my kittens as I know there are so many cats out there needing homes but I have rescued 3 adult cats as well and with the last one a kitten was for the dc to have an animal that was truely theirs (although I do think rescued cats are a bit different to rescued dogs). Sometimes you have to be a bit selfish and you are working so hard yourself with Lurcherboy perhaps it's time to take a dog without any baggage as such and just enjoy watching him/her grow?

moosemama Fri 05-Jul-13 14:06:37

Thanks Cinnamon.

I have had 6 dogs over the past 24 years and only one wasn't a rescue. We got her for exactly the reasons you say, our boxer x boy had severe fear aggression as a result of illness throughout his socialisation window. We adored him, but we just wanted a dog we could enjoy taking to places and going to dog club with etc and actually she turned out to be really good for him as well as us.

It's really down to dh now, as having just been pointed in the direction of some articles about the not so palatable reality behind some of the so-called UK rescues, I think I'm feeling that going for a pup that needs a home and has been really well brought up wouldn't be the crime of the century.

Unfortunately dh is having one of his usual 'money's a bit tight this month' moments. Which is his default position whenever he we plan to spend some money. hmm Doesn't help that the vacuum cleaner blew up this morning either.

I just texted him about the articles I read and asked about these pups again, but he appears to be ignoring me - although he will of course say he was in a meeting. hmm

Moose, do you have a link for the articles?

moosemama Fri 05-Jul-13 19:12:52

Hang on a minute Scuttle I'll link you to the blog ...

I was directed to this one in the first instance and then read earlier and later posts on the blog.

I currently feel like the only rescues I can trust are the dedicated pointy ones. They seem to be the only ones that have true, honest transparency about what they're doing. In fact the Irish rescue I was looking at a week or so ago is one of the good ones that only send a couple of dogs over here if they can't rehome over there and work closely with UK pointy charities.

We have a very small local rescue that's fab, but only ever has a couple of dogs at a time, which is a shame, because I know a few people who've had dogs off them over the years and they've all been fantastic pets.

I'm really annoyed at myself for being taken in so easily and also for ignoring that little nagging voice that was telling me something wasn't quite right with one of the rescues they mention in particular. sad

Still, at least I found out before I'd got entangled with any of them.

Thanks Moose. That's a very interesting blog.

I've spoken out about MT on many occasions on here - as you know I am based in S Wales. Not a popular position, I can tell you. grin

I am aware of this trade masquerading as "rescue" - some time back another MNetter contacted me about a terrible case involving an alleged rescue on the S Coast which had awful standards.

Part of the problem is that anyone can set up a rescue, transport from overseas is easy and there is no oversight for the activities of the organisations you've mentioned. Some in particular have highly effective and emotive PR machines which swing into action the minute there is a whiff of criticism.

One thing which is good, is that some greyhound rescues in the UK are working hard with volunteers in the ROI to set up infrastructure and volunteers within the Republic to develop a different approach to greyhounds over there. At the moment, I'd say they are where the UK was about 20/30 years ago - simply not seen as companion animals. I've personally spoken out about this on many occasions - I fundamentally do not agree with simply importing more animals from overseas (ROI or anywhere else) - it's not sustainable and is not an efficient use of resources. I DO support helping and aiding rescues overseas in developing education and outreach programmes, spay/neuter programmes, etc etc. - not so emotionally high voltage but ultimately the way to go. And I think that the Irish pound situation is truly dreadful - but changes to that should be led by Irish campaigners.

I'm currently working on some research into British pounds (specifically in Wales) and there's plenty there for any welfare campaigner to get their teeth stuck into. Shockingly we still kill thousands of perfectly healthy animals every year in the UK. And I also simply don't buy the argument that pounds only have staffies - complete twaddle. Yes, there are lots of bull breeds but there are also plenty of others too, including sadly a lot of pedigrees, and a depressing number of pointies. Our very own Norty Minx was in one of the worst pounds in Wales before our local RGT branch got her out and into emergency foster, before she came to us as a "Twilight Dog".

There are some very good all breed rescues out there - I can recommend Hope Rescue for instance and also Four Paws Rescue, both based in S Wales but with national coverage, and I'm sure there are others.

moosemama Sat 06-Jul-13 12:12:35

I have passed the details of the blog on to several people now and dh has also read and shared it. As you said, there appears to be a very vocal and swift PR machine involved with many of them, so informing people in an under their radar, networking kind of way seems the most effective, if people aren't to be sucked in.

The problem is, once you know about the bad ones, you find it hard to work out who to trust and start to not trust anyone and between that and many rescues having blanket policies about not homing with children under 8 years or even older in some cases, some people just give up and go and buy a dog instead.

Not sure what the answer is though, because I totally understand why rescues need to be really careful who they home to, but if that leads to people buying from the free ads etc instead then it's not a policy that's working. I think rescues really need to assess on a case by case basis, but then that takes a lot more time and work, which they don't have. sad

I certainly wouldn't agree that "most" rescues have a blanket ban on adoptions to families with children. Just off the top of my head, Hope Rescue, Four Paws, Greyhound Rescue Wales, Greyhound Welfare, Wiccaweys (Border Collies), Dogs Trust, Lincolnshire Greyhound Trust, and stacks more will happily rehome to families with DC, with a few sensible precautions in place. TheCunnyFunt got her lovely grund when her DC was about 8 months old and there are quite a few others on the cushion with young DC and rescue dogs. Most of the rescues I've listed take it very sensibly on a dog by dog basis.

It's really sad when people take advantage of other good nature but when animals are being badly treated at the same time it's horrible. Our dog we had when I lived with my parents was returned as the owners split up so we took her but we had originally gone for a pedigree yorkie!

We couldn't go to the dogs trust because of the age of or children, but I think a lot of that is protection from litigation rather than anything else. When I got Nelly I had such a good experience with rescue but this time around I wasn't so happy. This time I didnt feel they had a very good attitude tbh. They didn't let me know about Billy being rehomed and sent me an email saying 'have you got Billy's vac card' and nothin else. I replied saying that I had given it to them and I was glad to see he'd been rehomed and that I was missing him. I know that they didn't know us and its not good to return a dog but we were both crying when we left him and explained to them about why we had made that decision. The trainer has been in touch more often already asking about peanut than they were with either Billy or Peanut. They haven't contacted us so I guess that despite asking to go through homefinders the trainer hasn't done it through them but we are ok with that. But having said that he's on their website as being reserved so they are obviously considering they are rehoming him and wouldn't have found him without them.

I just wish people would neuter their animals! Our neighbours have a cat who is almost entirely always shut out and she was clearly pregnant, isn't now and I do wonder what they've done with the kittens. It's not that expensive and if you can't afford it then really how can you afford to have an animal? All my rescued animals have been neutered but my two kittens weren't but were done asap and the female we kept in until she was done.

Peanut is really enjoying his walks now, sniffing lots of this and peeing on lots of things rather than the one of two he was doing. Plus he stayed downstairs while I got the boys ready yesterday which was the first time he hasn't followed me upstairs every time smile

moosemama Sat 06-Jul-13 13:15:41

I don't think it is 'most', but it does apply to many and unfortunately, a couple of the most highly publicised ones, iykwim, that people tend to try first.

Dogs Trust do rehome to families, but if you search the dogs on their website 99+% say no children or 8/12/teen plus, which is where many people give up and read the less easy to find info that advises you to go down there and discuss your particular circumstances, or that they usually recommend puppies, rather than dogs which may have a degree of unknown history, to families with children under 5.

Again, I've found that pointy rescues again are the most sensible with this and really do consider on a case by case basis.

moosemama Sat 06-Jul-13 13:33:59

Cinnamon, I guess the rescues are pretty stretched and might not have time to follow up on every dog.

I've had the opposite experience though. We rescued oldgirl from a small local rescue when we lived in the North West and we literally couldn't move for constant emails and phonecalls to see how she was doing, as well as nagging to get me more involved in working for their rescue group.

Good to hear Peanut is settling in and starting to relax.

Lurcherboy is in a strop with me because it's too hot to walk him and he's having to wait until this evening. He was the same yesterday. In fact I started to get a bit worried he might be ill, until I tested my theory by picking up the fling'n'fetch and he shot out of his bed with a propeller tail and daft grin on his face. hmm

MagratGarlik Sat 06-Jul-13 13:39:47

Our lurcher is from Dog's Trust. DS2 was just 3 years old when we adopted her. DS2 is teeny tiny for his age, but they did not have an issue with us adopting from them. Whippy was from RSPCA and we got him when DS2 was 2 years old (DS1 was 6 years old).

We also spoke to: Scruples, GRWE and our local RGT all of which said they would be happy to let us adopt from them. Not a single one brought up the ages of the children as an issue. The only reason we went with dog's trust for lurcher girl was that we were waiting for one of the rescues to have a dog available who would fit well with us and she came first. RGT were happy for us to adopt one of their smaller, younger greyhounds, but we felt that Woody seemed a bit intimidated by her.

Betsey also has two hounds and small children.

moosemama Sat 06-Jul-13 15:29:52

blush my post should have read 'people give up and fail to read the less easy to find info ...'.

I do think the RSPCA and Dogs Trust are more cautious about homing adult dogs with young children these days though - they do do it, but don't advertise it or make it obvious.

Of course I can only go on the reactions of people I know who've gone for a rescue dog, but I don't think any of them are particularly unusual, in fact if anything, they're fairly typical of people in this area. They will consider a rescue, having watched the tv ads and programmes etc, but only if it doesn't put them out too much. hmm

Dogs Trust near us has some lovely lurchers in, but they are all listed as children over the age of 12 only. The reason they give is that they're young, tall dogs who may bump/knock over younger children.

That's such a shame! It's the same as people who have children and expect their lives to stay the same and te children to mold around them. I guess with some children it can be done but why would you want to? The point is they enhance your life and although Nelly was much happier home alone than out and about peanut wants to be with us and we are doing our best for him to do as much with us as is possible.

I'm sure peanut will knock my littlest over at some point but that's not really a reason not to have him just a mild inconvenience! He gives them so much more in retune for that inconvenience grin

MagratGarlik Sat 06-Jul-13 16:16:17

We found that if you went to the Rescue with a specific idea of, "I want this dog", you were unlikely to find a dog the rescue would home with you because, "that dog would not be suitable for a home with children". If you go to a Rescue and say, "this is me, this is my family, here's information about our lifestyle, we need a dog who can cope with young children/being left for 4 hours each day/wants to go on long walks (insert specific requirements you cannot or will not compromise on), what dogs do you have?" Many rescues might say, "we don't have a suitable dog at the moment, but we'll let you know" and you might have to keep asking back and be flexible about breed, looks etc. We would never have considered a whippet when we got whippy. The RSPCA steered us away from a highly unsuitable collie/springer cross (I love collies, my previous dog was a collie x). We didn't know anything about whippets, but my first reaction was, "yikes" - we went away and read all about them and came back to reserve him. They were right of course, he fitted exactly with our needs.

MissBetseyTrotwood Sat 06-Jul-13 20:12:09

Hi y'all. I think Magrat is right. We went to Whittingham saying 'this is us, do you have a dog who might be able to live with us?' and Billy was perfect in every way.

Our second, Roxy, would not have been suitable as a first dog and I'm certain they wouldn't have suggested her to us. She's bright, lively, confident and playful; while she loves the DCs and has been a natural with them from the off, she needs DCs that are confident with dogs and happy to give her a gentle shove if she's being too kissy or jumpy.

And she's moulting her fluffy kennel coat everywhere at the moment and it's gross. We're working hard on her coat but it's not very rewarding at the moment and she looks an awful mixture of fluffy and bald.

WRT staying in touch; ours never called or checked up on us but if we've had any issues they've been back to us immediately, sometimes within the hour if we've had to leave messages. I don't always agree with their advice but they are extremely helpful and knowledgeable. My oldest (6yo) wants to run a rescue kennel now! Or be a dog warden. hmm He'll want to be a dj again tomorrow though.

moosemama Sat 06-Jul-13 20:22:42

MissBetsey, my dd (who is 4 and a half) regularly sets up a rescue kennels for all her cuddly dog toys in the middle of my living room floor. grin

They all have extra comfy beds and get the full work-up, health-checks (including vaccination and worming) nail clipping and toothbrushing, grooming, going for walks, clicker training sessions etc.

MissBetseyTrotwood Sat 06-Jul-13 20:56:42

Aww, now that's cute.

Seriously, Rox looks awful. Just looking at her on the sheepskin now. Her new coat, while shiny, is so sparse and coarse, it's horrible. Don't remember this bit with Bill. I can't feed raw, for various reasons, so we've been topping her up with fish oil and lots of pilchards. And rubbing oil into her really dry bits.

Black dog experts, tell me it's going to get better. Bill's all sleek and shiny, will she get there too?

moosemama Sat 06-Jul-13 21:32:39

I read something on another pointy forum where lots of people were saying this year's weird weather has played havoc with their dogs' coats.

Lurcherboy's coat is very weird as well. He usually gets a lot more sleek and shiny over the summer and returns to being a proper scruff over the autumn and winter months, but this year he has really coarse tufty bits on his back legs and here and there around his chest and neck, so he's sort of sleek in the middle with tufty scruffy bits both ends.

We've been using a zoom groom on him reguarly and it is helping, but he still doesn't look like he normally does at this time of year.

He's not a nice sleek black dog by nature though, so probably not the same.

MagratGarlik Sat 06-Jul-13 21:41:05

Woody looked fairly bad for a while after we got him. He sort of became dark brown and got dandruff. Although we do feed him raw when we have time, he has significant periods where he is fed dry food. He has fish oil religiously and I think this is the biggest factor in keeping his coat nice. He has seaweed extract too (but we have to mix this with things - he doesn't like it), which is supposed to help the pigment in their coats and of course, weekly pilchards/mackerel. Oh and they both also get vitamin B12, which is supposed to be good fit their coats. I remember when we first got him he needed brushing almost daily and lost a ton of fur. She'll get there. The two of them must be quite impressive together.

MissBetseyTrotwood Sat 06-Jul-13 21:47:38

Mmm, these black dogs. Y to the dandruff. I want to hoover her. In fact, I nearly tried the other day, in a moment of weakness. I did actually approach with our hand held Dyson thingy and she gave me this look like 'WTAF. Just you try it human.' and I realised that it would be plain wrong to hoover my dog.

I'll keep plugging away with the fish.

MissBetseyTrotwood Sat 06-Jul-13 21:50:47

And yes. My gorgeous black dogs look lovely together.

Roxy was meeting and greeting at our front gate the other day when a guy walked past and was all 'Whoa, big dog'.

I felt proud to say 'I've got a much bigger one indoors if you'd like to meet him?'

grin

MagratGarlik Sat 06-Jul-13 22:47:25

Is it very wrong to admit I actually have hoovered Woody with the handheld dyson blush?

Luckily he is a very compliant dog.

Betsey, yes, keep persevering! It goes through an awful getting worse before it gets better cycle, if that makes sense. From what you've described, you are at the worst bit. Kennel coat has fallen out, new coat is not yet in, so you are left with a half bald patchy looking scruffball. Keep grooming regularly and YY to the pilchards - another month or two, and I promise she will be a vision of sleek ebony loveliness. I reckon it can take up to six months to get the coat up to perfection, but it will get there.

MissBetseyTrotwood Sun 07-Jul-13 07:07:22

Phew, glad I'm not guilty of deviance with the Dyson then. grin

She does look dreadful. She's so boisterous and gung ho about everything her legs are covered in cuts (nothing major) too. She tried to jump a pond at the inlaws again the other day and almost made it but managed to collide with the rocky bank instead and tore her legs up (again). Nothing seems to bother her though.

She also loves poo, balls, and, seemingly, other dogs. Seem to have got a real dog this time, not the dog/cat/human hybrid Billy seems to be. grin

We did that and she said all of these should be fine and which did we like the look of. She was very honest that she had no idea with cats for any of them.

Peanut doesn't have great fur at the moment, he is such a beautiful colour but he's very fluffy which kind of looks on the verge of matted even though I am brushing him every day and he has the dandruff stuff too. He's been scratching the last two days so I've made him an appointment at the nurse clinic to get some flea treatment (as there is no consultation fee for that) on Thursday but haven't found any fleas so far. I can imagine the weather has been so cold for so long they must all have very thick kennel coats smile

PeanutPatty Sun 07-Jul-13 11:06:19

I posted last night but it hasn't shown up! Second go!

What's the story with MT? I've a friend who has rehomed from from there. Are they not who they say they are?

We've recently submitted an application for a rescue whether we will be considered I don't know as I have to DC under 3. However they are dog savvy as we have a dog already. DC1 often gets knocked to the ground on a dog walk due to the dog having a mad five minutes where she runs in very fast loops which clearly means she is unable to use her eyeballs at the same time!

We took peanut on a greyhound walk this morning! It was lovely apart from ds2 who whinged and cried through the last half. There was a very cute 4 month old lurcher who I could have just taken home! And another young looking lurcher who's owner was moaning the whole time about how much work she was but otherwise everyone seemed very nice and peanut was a huge hit, by far the biggest dog there. Would guess there was 15-20 dogs but mine where the only dc blush

MagratGarlik Sun 07-Jul-13 13:01:35

We were hoping to go to Bark in the Park in Derby this afternoon, but it is too hot for the dogs and even when we walked them this morning at 9am, lurcher girl almost collapsed whilst taking a wee. We're going to stay home so the dogs can get a bit of shade instead.

moosemama Sun 07-Jul-13 13:19:39

PeanutPatty - read the blog linked to in my post from last Friday at 19:12:52. That's all I know, plus some anecdotal stuff from various online dog forums.

We took Lurcherboy at 8.00 am this morning luckily, as it's even warm in my house today - so it must be sweltering outside.

I've been reorganising my bedroom, so haven't actually made it outside yet. blush

Lurcherboy is definitely not enjoying the heat - he's always a lazy lump, but I've never seem him this leathargic with it. He's usually got one eye open for possible food drops from the worksurface etc, but he couldn't even be bothered to get up and grab some toast crusts I dropped this morning.

Ds1 has come down with dd's virus, so between that and all the transition stress he's an absolute joy to be around - not - hence me hiding out in my bedroom all morning. grin

PeanutPatty Sun 07-Jul-13 15:24:55

Moose is that 28 June? If so I can't find it.

Our girl has stayed in the kitchen most of the day and occasionally popping out to the garden.

Walked her earlier with the DC but through the lovely cool shady woods so the heat didn't bother us which was nice.

moosemama Sun 07-Jul-13 16:59:30

No, Friday just gone. Will redo the link here.

My bedroom is now a palace - but as the room is south facing and has 3 external walls it's a bit like being in a brick oven. So while my room looks lovely, I resemble a cross between a wilted weed and a boiled beetroot. hmm

mistlethrush Sun 07-Jul-13 23:23:56

mistlehound appears to be happy to have a swim, just because the water's there, when its hot. It is quite helpful during this hot weather.

We sent an essay about what we wanted from a dog and what the dog could expect from us when we approached various rescues... the fact we had a child of 8 didn't stop us being offered dogs - although we were only offered the choice of 2 where we got ours from due to having a chinchilla in the house! grin

moosemama Sun 07-Jul-13 23:47:53

My news tonight is that Lurcherboy has finally worked out how to throw toys for himself.

I think he's been a bit puzzled about how to play now he's on his own, as when we had our other dogs they all tended to zoom around and snatch toys off each other.

He has been wanting me to chase him instead hmm but this weekend he's sussed how to throw his kong and make it bounce so he can bounce on it again - it's only taken him nearly 8 years to work it out! grin

mistlethrush Mon 08-Jul-13 08:39:36

We have had to get loads of 'light' toys and ban the heavy, solid rubber balls etc as mistlehound is lethal with things - everything, including chews, gets thrown around a lot. Things hit the ceiling at times (and its not low) and we'd have broken pictures (and bruised heads) if we left her with the heavier things.

I now know why she failed at 'working'. We went early for a walk this morning to catch the cool and before work - I pointed her at the rabbits and told her they were rabbits (she now has worked that word out). We walked in that direction - her a little in front, and she stopped and 'pointed' whilst all the rabbits scurried away into the wood. If they're in more copse/bushes / wood situation she does properly run and chase though... so perhaps its just because she's not hunted out in the fields before? Despite the rabbits she had a good gallop around and a swim and some more galloping, so I think that she should be fine until its cooled down a bit later.

moosemama Mon 08-Jul-13 10:11:25

Mistlehounds sounds awesome and loads of fun. grin

Lurcherboy dd and I have been for a lovely walk this morning, keeping to the edge of the field for shade.

Can't believe how hot it was at only 9.00 am. We kept it short this morning and I'll take him for a longer one when it cools down this evening.

Now I've sussed he isn't being beligerent, but just wants me to play with him when he doesn't come back on a recall I've started using a different call for him and then indulging him in his game. We're spending the first half of the walk without any toys just telling him to 'go play' and then working on reinforcing his 'proper recall' and his recalls have been fab. So it seems we definitely need a distinction between - 'come here now' and just a general, 'you're too far ahead, please head back in my direction but you don't have to come right back'.

Not getting very far with the separation anxiety training here as I am constantly in an out for varying lengths of time for the next week. :-/ I have taken her with me when I can, and when I've had to leave her done it with DAP spray, kong, activity ball, etc after a nice long walk. She does settle eventually, when I come home she is always laid on her bed.

When I got in today after driving lesson she didn't seem to have gone as nuts. But even after 10 mins of me being home and her calmed down she was doing the odd little short whimper. If she was ill or in pain she would have SOME other symptoms wouldn't she?! She does it at random intervals but only a few times a day, it's really odd! I've felt and inspected her all over and can find nothing obvious to feel or look at and she doesn't seem to be tender to the touch anywhere.

I think I worry about ShyDog as much as DS, and she definitely is just as costly! Good job she's adorable! hmm grin

moosemama Mon 08-Jul-13 11:49:58

It's a slow process YourHand. We've been at it for a month now and although we've started seeing positive progress we still have off days, where things regress and he yells the place down from 3 minutes after I leave until I get back - fortunately no longer than 10 minutes though, as I never have to leave him longer than that.

We've got a busy week school/end-of-term wise this week and both sets of grandparents are away on holiday, so no-one to dog-sit.

I've decided to drop a note to my neighbours saying we're doing everything we can, but they may well hear him howling over the next couple of days as I have to go out to some things that are unavoidable. One is ds1's last sports day at this school, the other the last parents' stay and play at dd's nursery. I shouldn't need to be out for longer than hour either time if I'm careful - but the longest he's gone without howling so far is 5 minutes and I know leaving him longer is guaranteed to set him back for a while.

I'm planning to drop dd off, come home for an hour, then go back for an hour then come back before school pick-up. Think I'd better prepare plenty of extra tasty treat toys in advance.

Could ShyDog's whining possibly be boredom do you think?

I am 99.9% sure Lurcherboy's howling is now due to boredom and loneliness, rather than true separation anxiety.

It might be worth throwing in lots of little 5 minute clicker training sessions and seeing if her whimpering stops.

If you are at all concerned it wounds like she's in pain or feeling off though - I'd get her checked out at the vets.

I'm dreading this week and can't wait for it to be over. <<sigh>>

moosemama Mon 08-Jul-13 11:52:28

Almost forgot. If you can find some way of recording what she's up to (sound only is fine, as you can usually work out what they're up to) it will really help, as you'll know how long she goes before starting to fret and when/if she settles down again.

We have a dictaphone (we got it from Argos iirc) and I just press record as I go out the door and leave it up against the closed kitchen door. It's been a big help in knowing what's going on and the reality is nowhere near as bad as what I'd been imagining.

I did wonder if it was for attention/boredom. When she did it earlier I took her in the garden for a grooming session, and then tried to show her how her treat ball works (she's not the brightest!).

I should try to get a Dictaphone, like you say would be helpful and hopefully reassuring.

It sounds like you are working really hard to help Lurcherboy, I'm sure he'll get there in the end but like you say it takes time.

TheCunnyFunt Mon 08-Jul-13 12:52:03

Blimey you guys don't half talk some rubbish grin <makes mental note not to drop off cushion again>

Congratulations on the new hound Cinnamon, I hope it's going well smile

Good luck for this week moose, fingers crossed it doesn't set him back too much. I'm sorry to hear he's still getting upset when you go out.

We're all ok here, I don't have any exciting/interesting news to bore you all with grin
Although I am thinking of changing Sprockets food. He doesn't like CSJ anymore, but I have just discovered that what I thought was a complete kibble, it's actually a mixer! In big writing on the sack it says 'Complete working dog food' and on the label in tiny print it says it's a complimentary mixer shock I've been feeding it as a complete food for around a year and a half!! Not sure now if I should change it, or add wet stuff to it confused this dog food malarky is a chuffing minefield.

moosemama Mon 08-Jul-13 13:08:08

It's my bad influence Cunny. I can talk/type for England. blush grin

Thanks for the good luck wishes. He is much better than he was. He's actually howling then settling himself now, which is a big step forward. Most days he doesn't howl at all and on those days he does, with a couple of exceptions - he tends to only do one or two howls with big long gaps in between. When we started out he was really going for it, full on haunted howls interspaced with yapping/barking with barely time to draw breath in-between. He's no longer showing any signs of anxiety either before I leave or when I get back - whereas he was drooling bucket loads intially.

So there's progress, but ultimately I think having a little friend to wear him is what he really needs.

I saw your food thread. Lots of people recommending Barking Heads - which I've never heard of and looks ok, but no better than Canagan or other similar high-end, grain free brands, imo. I didn't post, because I didn't have a suggestion that would save you any money. We raw feed, and buy Canagan when Lurcherboy has kibble, but it's not cheap. I know a lot of people speak highly of Symply, but I've not looked into it myself and as far as I can tell all the higher quality, grain free kibbles are all very close in price.

TheCunnyFunt Mon 08-Jul-13 13:23:41

Scuttle suggested Harringtons on my thread and that looks good, just under £24 for a 15kg sack, so I think I'll try that when his CSJ is nearly finished.

TheCunnyFunt Mon 08-Jul-13 13:25:42

Plus you can get it on amazon subscribe and save ehich makes it just over £22 which is even better grin

Lurcherboy sounds like he's made excellent progress, I fifn't realise just how bad he was before. Sounds like the howling now is just him being indignant at being left smile

TheCunnyFunt Mon 08-Jul-13 13:29:51

Which, didn't. confused

mistlethrush Mon 08-Jul-13 13:41:20

Mistlehound is on JWB Lamb and rice. The Turkey and Rice has a drastic effect on her though, which is strange. But we're going with lamb, with a small amount of either the duck or the ocean in smaller kibble as a 'treat' on each meal - she has the 'large dog' pieces of the lamb one and definitely sees the other as a treat - probably as she gets less of it. It also fits in her treatball - luckily that's fairly simple with just a hole in it for the food to drop out of so even with a somewhat challenged dog, its fine grin

Question - cool coats - does it have to be microfibre or is towelling OK too?

moosemama Mon 08-Jul-13 13:59:50

I think you've hit the nail on the head there Cunny. He's gone from desolate and despairing to bored and indignant. Never thought I'd see him being cheeky as progress! grin

Mine were on JWB Lamb and Rice before going onto Canagan Mistle. Interestingly the turkey didn't suit them either, despite one of them lapping up turkey sausages for training treats. confused We shifted them onto Canagan because our local petshop owner kept badgering us to try it and offers us a good discount.

Lurcherboy was totally raw fed other than when he was in the kennels, but now gets one Canagan meal a day distributed in his treat toys and raw in the evening. I know you're not technically supposed to mixed feed, but the raw is so good for his coat and teeth and you can't stuff a chicken wing in a treat ball! grin

MissBetseyTrotwood Mon 08-Jul-13 19:38:40

Cunny we have Harringtons. 'Twas the only thing that agreed with Billy's tummy when we first got him. Lamb and Rice.

They altered the meat content though a while ago so there's less in there now but it still agrees with him. We tried him on Burns which I know is lovely but it upset his tummy terribly.

TheCunnyFunt Mon 08-Jul-13 19:54:53

I think we'll definitely go with Harringtons, it seems the best possible one for my price range grin I like the sound of the Turkey and veg one but I've read a few reviews that have said it didn't agree with their dog. Sprocket appears to have a cast iron stomach (in the 18 months we've had him he's never had Diarrhea or been sick <touch wood>) so it probably wouldn't matter which one I fed him. When we got him he came with no food so he went straight onto CSJ and didn't even have the runs then!

It wouldn't surprise me if his insides didn't notice his food had changed grin

i know you can get small bags of Harringtons at most Asdas now and some Tesco - it might be worth trying a small bag of each of the flavours to find out how he gets on with the flavour and the effects at the other end!!

Moose, we do a mix too of raw/kibble - i think there's actually a lot of bollocks talked about not mixing the two. Ours manage brilliantly and do beautiful small firm poos. And let's face it, especially in this sort of weather, kibble is very convenient for meals out of the house etc or when we visit relatives and so on. Not sure how my MIL would feel about her beautiful home filled with bits of tripe and raw stuff confused

TheCunnyFunt Mon 08-Jul-13 20:54:41

I just remembered that I'm 99% positive that I've seen Harringtons in our local Tesco! I've never really taken much notice of it before so I don't know what flavours/sizes they do, but we'll have a look when we do the food shopping on Wednesday.

moosemama Mon 08-Jul-13 21:16:59

Scuttle, thank you. I have been worrying about it since we started his SA programme.

Previously he only had kibble if he had to go into kennels and for the first couple of days of our holiday - until we could get to the village butchers. Actually the kennels have now started feeding raw if you request it as well, which is something I'm very impressed about.

Dh was telling me that whenever he's in our local pet shop lots of people come in asking for a specific brand of dog food that costs even more than the high end, good quality, grain free stuff but comes in clear bags. He couldn't remember the name of it, but apparently every time he's in there at least a handful of people come in and ask for some. Wonder what it is? confused

mistlethrush Tue 09-Jul-13 08:52:35

Moose - why would you want to pay EVEN MORE that we already are? I just wish mistlehound would get her act together and start catching some of hers rather than watch it run off into the woods.... wink

We took a different route towards the bunnies this morning - round from the back of some bushes - and she actually managed to run after them - although she then managed to stand, looking into the wood, whilst a small rabbit ran round the back of her and into the wood hmm. I'm wondering whether the stalking that she seems to want to do is something to do with her past? If you go lamping, would your dog go slowly and silently and try to pounce in the last few metres?

moosemama Tue 09-Jul-13 09:22:14

grin

I think you're right about the lamping thing. I think they start them off getting them to stalk, rather than run hell bent for leather towards them, as they need to learn not to scare the prey off by thundering around.

Well .... I tried a different line of tack this morning. Was awake early, so took lurcherboy before the school run. He had fun and came back exhausted, but obviously all that extra 1:1 time before I took the dcs was a bad idea, because he was already standing behind the kitchen door whining before I went out. hmm Left it as late as possible and did lots of going in and out the front door, but had to go in the end anyway.

Was dreading getting back, sure he'd have howled. Fortunately, as we went late ds2's line was just going in so I could dump him and run home, meaning lurcherboy wasn't left as long as usual - think I was only out about 6/7 minutes.

Came back, turned the tape on with trepidation and .... he whined for a few minutes, then went off to play with his treat toys! grin grin grin

The great thing is that, because I was really quick, my early return was a huge reinforcer to his self-soothing/settling behaviour. grin

He did start whining again as soon as I came back, so I've left the door closed and will only go in when he's been quiet and settled for a few minutes.

Going to take him for another on-lead walk an a while, just keeping to the shady edges of the field. I need him to be really exhausted by the time I have to go to dd's stay and play this afternoon.

My plan is to take her at the last minute and stay ten minutes or so, then come back and spend some time in the garden with lurcherboy. I don't think I should pay him any attention, so will hang out some washing and pull up some weeds etc. Then I'll re-settle him and head back. I have no choice but to push his boundaries to an hour, as dd will be really upset otherwise and I have to balance everyone's needs here. sad So will stay an hour then come home and spend some quiet time in the other room until say, 20 minutes before pick-up, when I'll head back so I'm there at the end.

Fingers crossed it works. Pretty sure we're going to get some howling, but I don't see how I can avoid it today and he sorted himself out pretty sharpish after the summer fair howling episode. Just hope the neighbours are out this afternoon!

mistlethrush Tue 09-Jul-13 09:28:50

Fingers crossed Moose!

TheCunnyFunt Tue 09-Jul-13 11:48:39

Good luck moose!

TheCunnyFunt Tue 09-Jul-13 14:35:04

I'm ever so pleased! Just had an email from Harringtons saying I've won a 5kg bag of dog food because I entered this competition and guessed Scunthorpe correctly before anyone else did! It'll save us buying a small tester bag anyway grin

moosemama Tue 09-Jul-13 16:30:00

Congratulations Cunny - and how timely - must be fate! grin

Well, I am just listening to the tape.

This morning's walk ended up being longer than planned, as somehow I managed to drop his lead out of my backpack and had to retrace my steps to find it. Fortunately a lovely lady had seen it on the grass and put in on the only bench for me to find. Luckily I bumped into her halfway round and asked if she'd seen it, so she was able to tell me where it was. Still meant I had to do a double circuit, rather than the single one I'd planned though.

I stayed with dd for 15 minutes in the end and he was quiet for the whole 20 minutes I was out.

Then I came home and took him outside with me to hang out the washing before taking him for yet another walk in the shade. We just did one lap of the park, keeping in the shade but he was still exhausted afterwards. Came home and spent some time stuffing kongs with stinky sardines and other disgusting canine munchies, then left him in the kitchen and did lots of going in and out of the living room and front door. Finally took him outside in the garden again half an hour before I had to go out and he was clearly fit to drop. So came in and left him in the kitchen with the door shut. Gave him his kongs and treats just before I left and slipped out the front door quietly.

I was gone just over an hour:

* He started howling 8 minutes after I left ... but only for 3 minutes and only a couple of short howls, not continuous yowling.

* He then stopped and was quiet until I'd been gone 26 minutes, when he started some quiet whining and did one quiet solitary, moany and not too loud howl at 29 minutes.

* Then another moany howl at 33 minutes carrying on and gradually winding himself up to doing horrible yappy yowls from then until 40 minutes.

* Took a break for literally a couple of minutes until 42.5 minutes then continued to howl until 47.5 minutes. Really angry yapping - not mournful distress. hmm

* Slight moan at 50.5 minutes, then all quiet until 52.5 when he did another massive howl and kept up howling proper big howls interspersed with the angry yaps until 54 minutes.

* Started yet again at 56.5 minutes with some really big howls and really angry yaps getting worse and worse until I walked back through the door at 1hr 3 minutes.

* Sods law would have it that he was mid-howl when I opened the front door, so he was rewarded with us coming home. hmm

When I got back he'd almost emptied his ufo treat toy, but his treat ball was still full and he'd only licked the top off his kongs. There was no sign of anything amiss, no drool and he didn't appear anxious or stressed.

To be fair, I knew half an hour was going to be his upper limit, but was really hoping he'd go at least a little a bit longer after all the extra time and effort I put in to wearing him out and leave extra tasty treats etc today. sad

He is now sleeping soundly in his bed and looks like he's settled in for the night. hmm

Dd of course barely acknowledged my arrival at nursery and all but ignored me the whole time I was there! So it feels like it was all for nothing. He didn't manage to go any longer without howling, despite all the effort - and in fact started howling earlier on than usual regardless of everything I'd put in place. sad

Oh - and the bloody neighbours were in all afternoon. hmm

... and I have ds1's last ever sports day at this school first thing tomorrow morning. Bless him, he's said it's ok if I only go for the last half and hour - but I feel awful about it and I have a feeling Lurcherboy is going to kick off anyway, after beng left for an hour this afternoon. sad

mistlethrush Tue 09-Jul-13 16:32:58

Thanks to Cunny I have also managed to snaffle a bag of dog food.. mistlehound can have it as her next bag of topper! grin Thanks Cunny!

Will have to check out our pets at home store in case it's one smile Congrats TheCunnyFunt!!

Sorry to hear your afternoon wasn't so great moosemama! At least it isn't constant howling and the neighbours will have to put up with it, you've been very reasonable to them IMO.

TheCunnyFunt Tue 09-Jul-13 20:06:16

Thank you smile I did cheat a bit though blush I went on PAH website, then went on Harringtons and then typed in my postcode to see which stores closest to us had it in stock grin

Well done Mistle grin happy to be of service!

Oh dear moose, not a brilliant afternoon then. It must be so frustrating for you. I really hope you manage to conquer it soon.

moosemama Tue 09-Jul-13 20:16:44

Thanks cinnamon and Cunny.

I've broken it down, very roughly and this is what the hour looked like:

8 mins quiet - 3 min howling (very few short/intermittent) - 15 minutes quiet - 7 minutes howling - 2 minutes quiet - 5 minutes howling - 5 minutes quiet - 7 minutes howling - 2 minutes quiet - 8 minutes mega howling and yapping hmm

So out of an hour, he was howling for half of it. sad

That said, he's barely howled in the last 5 weeks, while I've been managing him and when he has it's only been for a few minutes, so not persistent or prolonged.

As you say, the neighbours can't really complain much at that. Unfortunately, he's only not bothered them because I haven't been leaving him and after 5 weeks and with lots of end of school year stuff going on I'm starting to get a bit stressed about it all. sad

Ultimately, I think the only thing that's going to get us any further is getting him a friend for company. I don't think he's anxious anymore - he's very relaxed in the kitchen on his own now - he simply doesn't like being on his own and needs someone/somedog there to keep him company.

That's longer than your initial post sounded moosemama, good luck on your puppy search grin

It's so lovely to see peanut enjoying his walks! He trots and sniffs and pee's on everything and will poo now if he needs to. He's got a bit nippy the last few days though, when I get back from the school run he's so excited and jumps and nips which I've been trying to discourage while still giving him lots of fuss. Yesterday the children were quite vocal in the garden and he watching intently my friends dd then moved forwards on a trike and he ran to her and nipped her. She was upset but no skin broken and my friend was fine about it. From then on if he got too interested I said no firmly and he's stop and I gave him lots of fuss but the children were much more interesting. I guess he is still young and wants to play but other than when I get home when he runs and jumps around he doesn't seem interested in play until the children start getting excited!

TheCunnyFunt Thu 11-Jul-13 20:05:13

He sounds like a puppy cinnamon! How old is he?

TheCunnyFunt Thu 11-Jul-13 20:29:42

He was 2 in April, he's so lazy most of time we forget how young he is! He actually played today was lovely, he tore up the grass running around like a loon!

Liked smile

TheCunnyFunt Thu 11-Jul-13 21:46:40

Thank you very much smile I posted it on my local greyhound rescue FB page and can't believe the amount of likes he's had in an hour! It's over 20 already!! I hope we win smile

Aww, he's practically still a puppy compared to Sprocket! It's lovely that he likes to play, Sprocket doesn't get the whole 'playing with a person/other dog etc, he just likes to chew on toys. Nevermind being behind the door when brains were handed out, he couldn't work out how to open it!

mistlethrush Fri 12-Jul-13 09:46:14

Hmm mistlehound clearly had her nose around the edge of the door compared to Sprocket... clearly from the non-grey/whippet side of her heritage. In fact, I have (last night - so 9 months in to having her) identified a saluki bit - the underside of her neck is definitely saluki in terms of the coat and feel... (so that's about 1/32th then) grin

The rabbit thing is very puzzling. We went again today, first thing. So we crept up on the rabbits that were going to be by the side of the wood from behind some bushes - but she went round the side then stopped and was clearly back into stalking mode rather than running (which might have got her somewhere). Given the rabbits had seen her and were already pootleing off (there was no real urgency given frozen dog) I ran up to her and encouraged - and she ran forward but not that much in front of me - I think I had more chance of getting one than her. We had similar when we got back to this field after a large circle in the rest of the park (does anyone else's dog drink water whilst swimming around?) and again had the 'freeze' issue - and again I had more chance of catching something. So I walked on back up the field towards the car, and mistlehound was happily rabbiting in the wood - then thundering of paws and she rushes past me up to some trees and bushes, does a fast circuit, goes in the middle and round again, then goes in and comes out in quick pursuit of a small rabbit - she was about 1.5m behind and closing fast, head down, following very well - and then went crashing into the long grass in the wood beside us, lost it but chased something else. So... she clearly does have a good idea about what she's meant to do and is very happy to get on and do it - but why, oh why doesn't she do it when we see the rabbits in the open on the field????

MagratGarlik Fri 12-Jul-13 11:03:13

Mistle - I don't want to start an argument, just a genuine question, but why would you want mistlehound to go rabbiting? I know one of mine has been worked in the past, but I cannot imagine wanting to take her out now. I do know it is popular with some people around her though, I just don't get it? confused

mistlethrush Fri 12-Jul-13 11:37:27

I want her to enjoy her walks - rather than stop and tense up and not to know what to do. Whilst I don't live 'in' the country now, I live close to it, and I grew up in the countryside - our dogs used to kill rabbits regularly, it was one way to help to keep the numbers down, and it meant the rabbits at least didn't get myxi or get gassed which was the other alternative. I really don't mind if she never catches anything - I just want her to have fun racing around and leave the baggage she's brought with her so that she can enjoy her walks more.

mistlethrush Fri 12-Jul-13 11:43:43

Oh - I should add that I didn't take her rabbiting as such this morning, I took her on a walk where there happen to be lots of rabbits. We would have done the same walk if there hadn't been any.

MagratGarlik Fri 12-Jul-13 13:22:55

OK, thanks.

mistlethrush Fri 12-Jul-13 14:40:08

I would never go out with her for the express reason of catching a rabbit. She's definitely not a working dog, she's a pet. However, if she does catch a rabbit when we're out its fine by me. And I wouldn't mind if either she or DH then ate it (of course DH would butcher it first... grin). Perhaps its the country upbringing?

moosemama Fri 12-Jul-13 19:45:59

There is a full scale battle going on in my house this morning over what we're going to call our pup. (That would be the pup we haven't even applied for/chosen yet then. confused)

It has however enlightened me to just how poor my dcs' taste in pet names is! shock Mind you, dh's suggestions have been worse - if that's even possible. hmm

One thing I can say for certain is that my next pup will not be named after anything Star Wars or Pokemon related - or any other computer game for that matter. hmm

I have also called power of veto and final decision, as the person who is going to have to stand in the middle of a field and shout it - so hopefully our newest addition will end up with something half decent.

Names I like are Jasper, Dexter and Flax for a boy. But dh doesn't like either of the first two and the last one kind of depends on the pup's appearance.

I think we're more likely to end up with a boy than a girl, but if we do get a girl I still like Seren.

We'll probably choose something and then meet our new pup and decide it's definitely not their name - but it's fun thinking about it.

Anyone got any suggestions to add to my list?

PeanutPatty Fri 12-Jul-13 21:07:10

What kind of pup and would it be a rescue?

I really want a dog to take running with me. Do you think whippets would be willing?

moosemama Fri 12-Jul-13 21:39:22

Definitely a rescue lurcher - preferably scruffy. Seriously tempted by the whippet terrier mixes (whirrier). (Although in truth I fall in love with every lurcher pup I see so could be any mix.) blush

Sorry, have no experience of whippets - or running for that matter. I do know that Lurcherboy would only go so far before he gave up and lay down. grin He loves his exercise, but preferably in several short bursts, rather than one long one.

Wouldn't recommend a greyhound for running, mine is knackered after 5k! Thought he might be better than my other dog as he's only young but he still isn't keen. My friend runs with her lurcher and he'll happily do 10k +.

PeanutPatty Fri 12-Jul-13 21:50:14

I love the Scruffs too! Gorgeous. I've always wondered what a Whirrier was. Thank you.

I had a feeling lurchers would be like greys and be happy with short bursts of energy rather than constant trotting. Saw a guy today in one of those funny horizontal bikes with his Springer lovingly following him.

moosemama Fri 12-Jul-13 21:52:55

Well, I'm a bit biased when it comes to scruffs (pic of my boy on my profile if you're interested). grin

Whirriers - again I lean towards the scruffies, but am a sucker for a pair of big brown sighthound eyes. grin

SarahNoDuck Fri 12-Jul-13 21:57:55

sorry just read the last few posts and wantes to reply. Our lurcher is collie x greyhound is is my husband's running companion. She's getting on now but still sitting whining tonight because he's out running without her. (He's out for over two hours, wouldn't be fair on the dog).

LadyTurmoil Fri 12-Jul-13 22:09:10

Anybody looking for a rescue whippet? Here's Joe

moosemama Fri 12-Jul-13 22:12:45

I should have said that. It probably depends on the mix. I'd think some of the bull x lurchers and collie lurchers would have more stamina than say any mix purely consisting of grey/whippet/deerhound/wolfhound/saluki etc.

Basically you want something in the mix that isn't purely smooth muscle. Sighthounds are built for running, but can't store energy like a lot of other breeds due to their body composition - hence the thing you hear bandied around that they only need 20 minutes exercise and will sleep for the rest of the day.

My boy is deerhound/saluki x grey/border collie and there's no way he'd be happy with just a 20 minute walk around the park. We tend to do roughly 2 hours a day, sometimes more, but split into 2-3 walks, generally 2. If we do 2 walks I tend to do an hour in the morning and an hour and a half in the afternoon and he is free running and/or retrieving for around half of each walk, but lets me know when he needs a break and we intersperse the more intense exercise with a bit of slow walking, hedge sniffing and basic training.

That said, he's currently grumbling and giving me stroppy looks because he's only had an hour today, as I'm not feeling very well. hmm

Newcupboards Sat 13-Jul-13 08:01:25

Hello

Don't know if any of you got your dogs from Greyhound Gap. Very ethical rescue who take "death row" pointynosed hounds from the pound and re home them across the country. Also organise transports runs to get dogs in danger to places of safety.

It's their 10th anniversary and their founder, Lisa, is doing a sponsored event that some of you might like to support.

Thanks.

www.justgiving.com/Lisa-Cartwright2tattoo

Newcupboards Sat 13-Jul-13 08:03:48

Bit more info about Greyhound Gap

TheCunnyFunt Sun 14-Jul-13 08:51:26

Aaargh noo! We've been overtaken sad the competition closes tonight, not last night like I thought. If you haven't yet done so and you have Facebook [[https://m.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=594660460555236&id=203104083044211&set=a.594280070593275.1073741829.203104083044211&__user=744591517 PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE can you like thos photo of Sprocket, and feel free to share it. Thanks in advance, and thanks to those who have done it already.

TheCunnyFunt Sun 14-Jul-13 08:52:58
moosemama Sun 14-Jul-13 11:34:25

Sorry Cunny, I'm not on Facebook - but I would vote for Sprocket if I was.

We took peanut to the beach yesterday, he was very excited!!! He ran to the sea and then ran out as soon as it touched him. We had a long walk along the beach and then we sat on a bamboo mat while dh fished and ds's dug and paddled smile

moosemama Sun 14-Jul-13 14:13:09

Sounds like a lovely day cinnamon. smile

I seem to be spring cleaning my house for some reason. Think it's probably the thought of imminent rescue organisation home-checks that's given me the boot up the backside I needed. blush

Of course it's far too hot for housework - so many trips to the freezer for various incarnations of Magnums are of course required. grin

Later this afternoon, when I've had enough housework, I'm going to complete Lurcherboy's spa treatment by giving him a bath outside. He had a full groom, ears and teeth cleaned and toe nails clipped last night - so just needs some improvement in the aroma department to finish the job. grin

PeanutPatty Sun 14-Jul-13 14:54:13

I liked Sprocket! If I could have multiple likes I would! grin

I was going to head to a canine related open day today but decided against dragging the smalls out into this heat. The timings are always 12-3 or as close to that and it's too hot, muggy, sweaty and no fun wrangling small people. So we've stayed home. I keep thinking at least the dog has company tho I'm not sure she is at all bothered if we are here or not. As long as she gets exercise and peace and quiet she is happy.

We left here just before 3 yesterday for our beach trip and came home in time for bed to avoid the heat, worked quite well. It's too hot for children and dogs at the moment!

MagratGarlik Mon 15-Jul-13 10:31:22

I liked your picture, Cunny.

We went camping this weekend at the seaside and had a terrifying half hour on Saturday morning when we found whippy had left the tent! It seems that when ds1 had gone to the toilet in the early hours of the morning, whippy had scrambled under the canvas between the canvas and the fly sheet and followed him. The people in the next tent (who helpfully didn't try to catch him hmm) said he hung around outside the toilet before wondering off. Ds1 came back and said, "where's Woody?" - cue panic and search of the campsite for him. We eventually found him on the cliff tops (thankfully fenced off) sniffling around without a care in the world. For a while, I thought we wouldn't find him though. The next night, he slept zipped into his travel crate.

On the positive side, both had a wonderful time running on the beach. Whippy found another two whippies to run with an spent time acting like a boy racer who was drag racing. You could almost see them revving up. Even Jessie ran. It was lovely apart from the fright on Saturday morning.

moosemama Mon 15-Jul-13 11:23:15

Oh my goodness Magrat - you must have been worried sick. So glad you found him.

So envy of you on the beach this weekend. It's been ridiculously hot inland. I hate it when it get's so hot that you work up a sweat just walking from one room to the next. The sea breeze makes all the difference. We picked up the keys to our holiday house from my Aunt yesterday, so am starting to feel in the holiday mood now. Just got to get ds1 through his last week and a half at school. He refused to go this morning - but we got him there in the end.

Well, Lurcherboy didn't get his bath yesterday, but the house is looking a lot better! grin I might not feel as embarrassed about my home when I'm home-checked now. blush

We also seem to have had some sort of breakthrough with Lurcherboy this weekend. He has actually started to going in the garden on his own, for the first time since we lost Oldgirl. Not just a quick dash for a wee then straight back in as fast as he can, but actually choosing to wander around for a sniff and ..... this morning he is even lying out there on his own in the sun! grin He also started patrolling the back fence and barking at dogs in the park again on Sunday - again, something he's not done since we lost Oldgirl. OK, it's not something we really want him to do, but it's a sign he's starting to get back to his old-self. smile

MagratGarlik Mon 15-Jul-13 12:18:24

Yes, we were worried sick. I thought we'd lost him for good. He, on the other hand seemed to be under the impression that we was just checking out his new, rather large garden.

Good that lurcherboy seems to be reverting to his former self. I hope you find the right puppy soon to give him company.

MagratGarlik Mon 15-Jul-13 19:39:57

Anybody seen that Kai the whippet puppy from Scruples is unexpectedly up for re-adoption - he's not on the website, but is on the facebook page. He's only 4 months old and gorgeous. He's looking for a home with another whippet to run with (I guess that might also mean another pointy?) and lots of human company.

MissBetseyTrotwood Mon 15-Jul-13 19:42:45

Oh no. Roxy has attacked poor old Billy. He's got a bitten ear and neck.

For no reason as far as I can see. I know he must send dodgy messages sometimes but this was from nowhere.

I had to pull her off him and I shut her outside. I've cleaned him up with salt water and she's still out. He's calmer now and sleeping upstairs. Unfortunately the DSs were in there too and both really distressed by it all. They say they hate her now and don't want her to live with us any more. sad

We've had snaps and snarls from time to time but nothing serious since the first few days. I know she bit him when they were kennelled together too but we just felt that with space and time she'd come right.

The only thing I can think is that since the hot weather their routine's been a bit out to avoid the hottest part of the day and they've not been walked as much as usual.

I want to return her. I feel he might be better as an only dog and she might be better with other more confident dogs. I've never had two dogs before and I don't know if this sort of spat is normal and to be expected.

MagratGarlik Mon 15-Jul-13 19:55:52

Oh no, Betsey sad. No advice really, I'm afraid. It must have been very scary for your ds's.

<<hugs>>

moosemama Mon 15-Jul-13 19:57:44

Gosh, I only noticed he was off to his new home yesterday. confused

His potential new owners have just posted to say it's not a definite no, but it sounds like they have a domestic going on about whether or not they can take him.

MissBetsey, I don't know the backstory. Did you adopt one first and then the other?

I have lived in a multi-dog household for years and there have been occasional spats (I had two equal status bitches for a while) but mine have never actually injured each other. It was all noise and bluff.

I think in your situation, with dcs involved I would have to seriously consider whether she would be better off as an only dog - or as you say with more confidence, highly socially adept dogs. It's either that or get onto a good behaviourist now. Jim Greenwood comes highly recommended for sighthound support.

MissBetseyTrotwood Mon 15-Jul-13 20:01:46

Billy's our first and was attacked seriously by another dog last Feb. Getting another was supposed to help him along; it has to a point but this was next level stuff. She's really, really confident with other dogs (unlike him) and is really, really playful. Fetch, digging etc. Quite un greyhoundly really!

I'm waiting for the kennel owner to call me back. sad

moosemama Mon 15-Jul-13 20:03:58

sad So sorry you're going through this.

MagratGarlik Mon 15-Jul-13 20:14:26

Surely if the new adopters have doubts now, before adopting, Scruples would be silly to let the dog go to that house? Maybe I'm naive, but isn't there a higher chance he will go back again later in that case?

moosemama Mon 15-Jul-13 20:18:46

That's what I thought Magrat. There are a few people on there now who've registered interest and I think Scruples are unlikely to go ahead with the original adopters unless they have a very good explanation of what exactly the problem is and that it wasn't anything to do with a disagreement on whether or not they should adopt him.

He's such a striking looking lad. Bound to really turn heads wherever he goes.

How scary for you MagratGarlik! Glad he's home safe and sound!

So sorry to hear that MissBetseyTrotwood! We recently rehomed a greyhound who bit me, I felt terrible taking him back as although we would have tried to work with him I'm a childminder and my customers weren't happy. He had been with us 3 weeks and grown to be part of our family. I've never had more than one dog so don't know about the dynamics of it all. I am not quite frightened of dogs in emerald which I never have been in my life and I hate it but hopefully I will gain my confidence back.

That's very sad about the whippet puppy, I don't understand it either you want a dog or you don't sad

MissBetseyTrotwood Tue 16-Jul-13 14:41:09

Thanks all. She's so sweet we don't want to lose her. Billy's calmed down a lot today and is happy to be around her again. We've had a lot of dominance theory type advice from the kennel owner, which I'm not sure about tbh. But she's being spayed in less than a fortnight (she was in season when she came into the kennel so they couldn't do her) and we're hoping this should calm things down a bit.

Sorry to hear about your bite cinnamongreyhound - as a CM you have to be extra careful. It must have been hard to take him back but the right thing to do.

PeanutPatty Tue 16-Jul-13 19:27:31

There is a great Facebook page/group called Dog Training and Advice. I really really recommend it. The Admins have so much experience and knowledge between them. They are in full support of non-aggressive/punishment methods. Worth a like/join if you are after some advice/tips.

andrea315 Tue 16-Jul-13 19:36:53

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

MissBetseyTrotwood Tue 16-Jul-13 20:08:13

Thanks for that PeanutPatty . I'll have a gander.

PeanutPatty Tue 16-Jul-13 20:53:07

Do Betsey! They are a friendly bunch and I've learnt so much simply from others posting. I'd I ever have another puppy I'm totally doing their recommended method for training to walk on a lead. Essentially don't use a lead to start with! grin

moosemama Tue 16-Jul-13 22:28:12

Thanks for that Peanut. I've only had a quick look, but some of it seems very interesting. Have bookmarked the loose lead walking thing for when we get our pup. smile

PeanutPatty Tue 16-Jul-13 22:30:34

You're welcome! grin

Is this the group PeanutPatty?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/374160792599484/

ShyDog and I are still working on her staying home alone and she is getting there slowly. We are using DAP spray and plug in, kong/bone, and a nice walk before whenever possible. While we've been working on it she's chewed my ironing board, laptop cable, and dining table. Wasn't that fussed about the ironing board I have to say! grin But my absence from MN has been due to her chewing the laptop cable. hmm A new one finally came today!

In this heat what are you all doing about walks? I have been trying to take Shydog before the school run so it's not quite so hot, and much later on an evening when it's cooled slightly. Am I right in thinking they have more danger of overheating? I've been very cautious with her!

Ours are not big fans of the heat. We've been doing early mornings too. They are also noticeably much grumpier with each other, and are right off their food.

I'm currently doing a course of classes with one of ours - and tonight was supposed to be the grand finale when we all show off our carefully taught clicker tricks, but that won't be happening. blush Bless her, she's not liking the heat and (can't believe I'm writing this!) has been walking away from her sausages and other clicker treats shock.

With my sensible grown up head on, I'm not too worried as she's really enjoyed doing the training, we've made excellent progress, the heatwave won't last for ever (repeat other soothing, positive phrases ad infinitum) - but on this occasion I just fancy releasing my inner 12 year old and having a whinge!!

moosemama Wed 17-Jul-13 16:52:50

Why do they always pick the thing you really can't do without to chew? hmm

Good to hear she is making some progress. We are 7 weeks in now and there's been a distinct shift this week. Lurcherboy has started going in the garden on his own and playing with toys again, for the first time since we lost oldgirl. He seems a lot more relaxed generally and is quiet for school runs now. I think it's probably just the cummulative effect of us being totally consistent in our handling of him. Can't think of any other reason for their being a sudden shift.

Found a much better book about SA, Don't Leave Me by Nicole Wilde. It explains the concept of Isolation Distress, as opposed to Separation Anxiety and it's really helped. I knew he didn't fit the profile for true SA, but couldn't quite get my head around what exactly was at the root of the problem. In the book you work through a list of questions to assess the likely root and sure enough - it's Isolation Distress. So not that he's particularly over-attached to anyone in particular or even the whole family, as in SA - he just doesn't like being completely on his own. Good news is that getting another dog often really helps or even resolves the issue in cases where the dog has always lived with other dogs previously, so we hopefully we are doing the right thing getting a pup.

I've been walking Lurcherboy first thing, then spending some time playing with him and training him in the shade in the garden for a few minutes at a time throughout the day. He doesn't seem bothered with another walk come the evening, so we haven't taken him most nights.

moosemama Wed 17-Jul-13 16:57:54

Aw Scuttle, what a shame when you've been working towards it. You gp ahead and have a whinge.

Lurcherboy is right off his food as well and hasn't been eating his kong or ball dispenser treats. Fortunately, this doesn't seem to have set him back, as he's mostly too hot and lethargic to move when I go on the school run.

It actually got hotter at school pick up this afternoon. confused I thought the middle of the day was supposed to be the hottest, but there were people looking close to expiring in the playground after school.

I feel really ungrateful, because I've moaned as much as the next guy about summer washouts, but I prefer something a bit tamer. Warm - not tropical - is definitely my preference.

MissBetseyTrotwood Wed 17-Jul-13 19:48:56

Ha ha Scuttle, release away. I don't like the heat either. Greys are a native breed to this country aren't they? Definitely not cut out for the heat, just like me.

MagratGarlik Wed 17-Jul-13 20:09:27

Am I the only sun worshipper who is loving the heat then?

Our two get walked at 7pm and 9pm everyday anyway, regardless of the weather, so that hasn't changed. They just miss their lunchtime walk ATM. They even avoid the garden which is due west facing so gets full sun all afternoon.

I love the sun too MagratGarlik! Been far too long without it, but I'd prefer it slightly cooler. I need better clothes though as I only own two skirts and a pair of running shorts, everything else is trousers.

Peanut has been quite panty but still eating well and jumping like a loon when I get home from school runs! I walk him at 6.30am and anywhere between 5.30 and 8pm so that hasn't changed either. I haven't taken him running with me in this heat and he's not really been in the garden despite the door being constantly open.

PeanutPatty Wed 17-Jul-13 22:12:38

Hand - it is! Have you signed up? If not there is a welcome note and an instruction to verify yourself! grin It's a great advice network.

I walked the dog today at 10am but through the woods where it was much cooler. Struggle to get out really early when I am home alone with the DC. She also gets two other toilet pootles up the road. Trying to get her out for a second walk daily but not always that easy and in her mind the mutt is happy with the one.

I've been hosing mutt down after walks in the garden which seems to have helped her cool down. It's not an ice cold blast. I've been leaving an extra water bowl and pulling all the blinds/curtains. Luckily we have tiles floors downstairs so great for keeping cool.

TheCunnyFunt Wed 17-Jul-13 22:22:35

Oh no Betsey! What a horrible thing to happen! How are they both now? And the DS's? It must've been scary for them to witness.

Moose it sounds like Lurcherboy has turned a corner, let's hope he carries on improving, you sound like you've been doing your best and also it seems as though you have the patience of a saint!
Wrt the weather, yep, lunchtime is definitely not the hottest time of day anymore, round here it's about 4pm when it's at its hottest!

Magrat you must have all been so bloody worried! I can't believe the people in the nearby tent didn't try to catch him or at least come and tell you he'd taken himself off for a walk.
I love the sun too grin it's far too chuffing hot but I love it!

Thank you for voting for Sprocket last week everyone, unfortunately he didn't win, we were in the lead late Saturday night, checked it early Sunday morning to find another pointy had zoomed from about 10-15 likes to 136 in around 7 hours shock he ended up winning with 150! But, I had a think, and decided to have a go at a 'Nowwearehere' style picture myself and I don't think it came out too bad!

TheCunnyFunt Wed 17-Jul-13 22:33:03

Cinnamon, how are you getting on with Peanut so far? He sounds lovely, and very excitable for a Greyhound grin

Sprocket is fine with the heat, he pants more than normal when outside but other than that he hasn't really noticed it! I've started putting a small handful of Harringtons in with his CSJ so we're officially on our way to changing his grub. He seems to like it so far which is good smile the 5kg bag I won is lamb and rice.

Poppy tripped over his legs yesterday and he yelped, jumped up and immediately sprang up onto the sofa out of the way, I was really pleased with that reaction, so much better than the multiple snapping incident back in January when she last made him yelp by accident.

moosemama Wed 17-Jul-13 23:11:28

Cunny, I don't have much patience at all actually. I've had some really low moments along the way, where I didn't think I had the patience to see it through. At one point I got so anxious about him potentially upsetting the neighbours that I started to feel permanently sick and stopped going out - only rushing to and from the school when I had to and leaving it to the last minute so I was there and back in under 10 minutes.

I am so relieved that we are finally seeing some progress though. As I said, not 100% sure what caused the shift - but I like it! grin

Sorry Sprocket didn't win. I've seen a few people asking for votes on certain pointy forums, so the winner must be off one of those.

I love your Nowwearehere picture - even though I don't know what Nowwearehere means. blush

Love the pic TheCunnyFunt smile

Peanut is doing well, he bit one of my minded children on the bum Monday which was a bit stressful. She was jumping around squealing and he just got excited he sort of scraped her with his tooth but it bruised quite badly. Her mum has agreed as long as he's muzzled while her kids are here she won't take them away but the summer Hols are coming up so she may be looking during them I don't know. I genuinely don't believe he meant to hurt her but that doesn't change the fact he did.

Other than that he's doing really well, no accidents in the house for a week, sleeps well at night, is still very close when food is around but a firm no and he leaves it. He's started to play with the cuddly monkey we bought him but so gently and he'll give it up to me to throw which makes me feel happier after Billy. He still poos more in the garden than out but will go, particularly on our morning walk. The cats are getting used to him, one is now coming in when he's around and rubs herself on his front legs. The others are still nervous and two are still hissing when he comes near. He does kind of run with them if they run in the garden but doesn't seem to be chasing them. It seems like we've had him so much longer than 3 weeks though! Dh is very put out that he's clearly my dog, gets much more excited to me than dh and follows me everywhere!

moosemama Thu 18-Jul-13 07:57:58

Cinnamon, he sounds like such a puppy still. I suppose he's never been around squealy, playful children before. As long as you keep on reinforcing the right, calm behaviour, he'll get there in the end.

I know I shouldn't, but I do love that he's your dog - not your dh's after everything you went through. wink

mistlethrush Thu 18-Jul-13 08:31:38

My feeling is that it serves your DH right Cinnamon!!!! grin

DH has agreed that mistlehound is definitely my dog - even though she was getting SA when he was out of the house early days - because he was the one that was home all the time... .

We're in Devon this week. Who needs the continent when its like this? We've been keeping the dog cool by taking her swimming regularly - she'll go out a little way completely on her own, but she'll swim out a long way with me quite happily. We got a shade tent for the beach (what a good thing that was for this holiday!) and she'll lie on the beach and warm up for a bit then retreat to the shade where she goes to sleep quite happily. We can take her in a big field to run free in and a nice quiet lane to pootle down. We have managed a couple of longer walks but its a bit too hot to do them really.

mistlethrush Thu 18-Jul-13 09:27:10

Names... mistlehound has a name very similar to that of a collie cross 3 dogs ago - the 2nd collie cross came with mistlehounds name - so it had to be changed as it was too similar - and we called her puppy for several days. We contemplated 'humbug' for a while as it would have been good in relation to her markings but we thought we'd feel really silly going and shouting 'humbug' at the top of our voices... She got another name that also related to her markings at the time, but was actually remarkably good in relation to her nature too.... grin

moosemama Thu 18-Jul-13 10:01:20

Hi mistle, sounds like you are having a fantastic time. envy

Ds1 is still dead set on calling the puppy Vinegar ... I have absolutely no idea why. confused

Well, this morning, despite the heat, I have been really brave and baked liver cake for Lurcherboy. Spent the whole time gagging and retching rather pathetically and how does he repay me? He freaks out at the smell. He's running around the house, ears back, tail between his legs, sniffing and looking really worried - in between rushing in the garden to sniff out there and jump at everything super skittish stylee. hmm He's the same when we give him a big raw bone. He acts like he's scared off it, dumps it in the middle of the lawn then spends a good hour running up to it and running away before eventually giving in and eating it whilst cowering like something terrible could happen any second. hmm

Yes I did join the training group on FB, am reading along as things get posted and finding it very informative. smile

Shydog has been off her food too until I had the brain wave of adding warm water to it and letting it cool, she's now back to eating it happily again!

Mistle we have a little shade tent, I agree they are fab for this heat. I LOVE this weather, I get very down in winter and am definitely in my element at the moment.

Moosemama I laughed out loud at lurcherboy being suspicious of his tasty treats. They are daft aren't they! grin

moosemama Thu 18-Jul-13 11:18:11

Yourhand, I have honestly never seen anything so ridiculous - daft dog! hmm grin

Liver cake is cooling on the top of the grill now, so he won't go in the kitchen. hmm

TBH I'd react the same way to liver cake! [vom] I love my dog but no way will I be cooking liver for her. She can have bones, stinky sardines, etc but I draw the line at liver. grin

moosemama Thu 18-Jul-13 11:48:00

I said the same, but have been spending ££s buying hand-made organic liver cake from a lovely lady on ebay and need to save my pennies as there may be a pup on the horizon. wink

Just hoping he'll actually eat in now, given his reaction to me baking it.

Wouldn't mind, but generally people love my baking. hmm grin

I've been laughing out loud at the scary liver cake! grin

So funny that he won't go in the kitchen in case the scary liver cake monster attacks... grin

moosemama Thu 18-Jul-13 14:02:28

I know. I've had all the windows open to let the smell out and he's still being a bit wussy over it.

Have just been reassured by other lurcher owners that he is not alone in his foody weirdness. grin

He's a funny boy. Think he has an extra sensitive schnoz for a sighthound. There is always much sneezing whenever I cook with garlic or onions. He becomes a proper drama-queen, dramatically sneezing and rolling around in his bed, before sweeping out of the room with a disgusted look on his face. grin

The other odd thing he does is, if his toy lands within about a foot of where he's weed or pooed - even if it's been cleared up - he refuses pick it up. He just continually circles around it until I move it a few inches for him. hmm

mistlethrush Thu 18-Jul-13 19:45:20

We had the issue with a bone that mistlehound spent more time chasing off the flies than actually attacking the bone (although DS had chosen a particularly large one which I think was rather off-putting) - she really goes for it with flies and will search them out and chase them. She's much better at catching them than she is rabbits too (possibly why she's so keen on chasing them???)

I'm wondering whether there's a teeny tiny bit of saluki in with the mainly greyhound - there are just some bits of fur and colouration that are really saluki like - particularly the way her muzzle is dark - there's almost a line under her chin between the dark and the tan.... There's not much in there though - not enough between the ears (although she did run straight to our 'camp' on the beach today when she decided DH was not worth staying with on a 'walk' up in the woods nearby....) She minced into the sea today in a way that you could almost hear her saying 'its cold... it's on my knee's... its cold..... OOooooh its on my tummy now, even though I've pushed my tummy as high as it will go.... '

TheCunnyFunt Sat 20-Jul-13 15:26:28

grin grin at scary liver cake! Dogs can be so weird sometimes!

moosemama Sat 20-Jul-13 16:49:00

I know Cunny, he is really is the daftest dog sometimes.

Fortunately, his weirdness didn't extend to not wanting to eat it once it was cooled though. Which is a relief, because I now have a freezer full of the stuff, plus a nice big bag in the fridge that's he's working his way through. smile

TheCunnyFunt Sun 21-Jul-13 20:25:37

At least he likes the taste if not the smell grin

For whoever asked, this is NowWeAreHere. Still think mines better though wink

That is very funny, at least he's happy to eat it after you've gone to the trouble!

We've had a break through, peanut has been laying down on his bed the last three times we've been out smile. I think Wednesday helped, I had 3 school runs and then had to go back out to take the kids to the disco and again to pick ds1 up so in and out 5 times in a day, each time between 20 and 45mins so think perhaps that just made it click we were coming home.

Have 2 cats who are happy to go in and out while he's around two but the other two are still being wussy!

Also took him for a 4 mile run (done 5k twice before) with my friend on Friday morning, he did so well didn't seem to tire at all and other than being totally skittish at having someone else running with us he was so good next to me.

Had paperwork and a letter from homefinders yesterday so guess they didn't forget about us blush

moosemama Sun 21-Jul-13 23:16:58

Cunny, I agree. Yours is definitely better. smile

Cinnamon, fanstastic news that Peanut is starting to settle when you leave him. We are also finally making progress and Finn is close to going an hour without so much as a whine now.

Which is good ... because I may have some puppy news to share with you all soon. Not going to say too much yet though, as it's a rescue and we are still going through the adoption process at the moment. I know it's silly, but I don't want to jinx it, because we are all totally smitten. blush

If all goes well we should have our new addition when we come back off our holidays and I will post a picture as soon as it's all confirmed.

[ridiculously excited emoticon] grin

Good news, Moose. smile

moosemama Mon 22-Jul-13 12:25:16

Thanks Scuttle. It feels like such a huge weight off my shoulders. I didn't realise how tense I was coming home and listening to the recording of what he'd been up to while I'd been out. It's been over a week without a murmur now and he seems like a different dog. So much more relaxed and happy. Most of it was gradual, over the 6-7 weeks, then he suddenly seemed to turn a corner and after than he gathered pace very quickly.

I'm relieved for him as much as for us - and of course the neighbours. I hated him being so stressed and anxious all the time.

Just have to make sure we don't let ourselves get complacent and allow it to start creeping back again now.

moosemama Mon 22-Jul-13 20:23:08

Well - he's at it again.

Lovely juicy chicken quarter. He's taken it to the middle of the lawn and left it there, because ... you guessed it ... he's too scared to eat it! hmm In fact, he's now let lots of wasps swarm all over it, so he actually does have a reason to be scared of it!

I have just chased the wasps off, covered it with a bucket and left it for dh to deal with.

Honestly, it would be so much easier to just go back to kibble only, but he's got such lovely teeth since we went raw and I want to do everything I can to keep them that way.

TheCunnyFunt Mon 22-Jul-13 20:34:47

grin crazy boy!

Good luck with the possible new arrival smile I hope it all goes smoothly, I look forward to hearing more about it!
And thank you for sayong mine is better smile

Well Sprocket definitely approves of his food being changed to Harringtons, so much so thay he's picking out the new stuff and eating it first, before moving onto the old stuff grin

moosemama Mon 22-Jul-13 20:48:47

Thanks Cunny.

<<whispers>> Things are looking very positive re the rescue pup, as of this afternoon. Have even dared to splash out on a new crate and some puppy toys this afternoon. grin

That's great news moosemama!!

mistlethrush Mon 22-Jul-13 22:23:01

PLeased to hear the news Moose!

Mistlehound now will accept feet sharing the sofa - rather unhappily it must be said - but tolerating them certainly - which is very different from her normal jump off....

I've torn my ankle ligaments - very sore, unable to walk - well I can hobble a bit but hardly at all - and it all hurts sad. Will have to miss the show at the weekend...

moosemama Mon 22-Jul-13 22:55:38

Thanks folks. grin

Of course Mistle ... the show, what a shame. sad I know it's not much compensation, but hopefully we'll make it to Peterborough and you can meet Lurcherboy and my new addition.

How are you doing today? Did you manage to get a GP appointment?

We gave up on Lurcherboy's chicken dinner and gave him some kibble, which he scoffed with relish. hmm

Oh no mistlethrush, hope you're back to walking again soon. I broke my foot last year so I know how frustrating it is not being able to get around!

I have aquired a kitten! As if 4 cats aren't enough! My neighbour found it in the forest and bought it to me as she allergic. I've found the owner but so far she hasn't been home and I've heard from some not great things about her cat ownership. The most hilarious thing is he's about 300g of fluff and he keeps hissing and spitting at peanut, who's tail goes straight and he just wanders off with his head down!

Went for another early morning run today I'd go as far as to say that peanut enjoyed it smile. We did 4 1/2 miles and he was running off and back to me, although he's unconscious now!

mistlethrush Tue 23-Jul-13 08:17:43

Leg hurt a lot yesterday - I think I overdid it going to the GP then nipping into the office, even though I was dropped at the door both times by DH. However, it actually feels appreciably better today - I've not yelped in pain once and I've managed to get my foot back closer under me than I've managed before.

Mistlehound sometimes has chicken wings - which get eaten in one (although she's worked out that she needs to chew them into two bits to swallow otherwise they reappear and she has to eat them again envy (not envy))

Cinnamon - I like the thought of your large greyhound being frightened off by a tiny ball of fluff!

Mistlehound decided not to venture in the garden first thing this morning as there was thunder and lightening and lots of rain - she retreated to the sofa and has gone back to sleep.

mistlethrush hope your leg feels better soon. I am hobbling too after bashing my toes on DS's wheelchair - twice. hmm

cinnamon my cat is still coming round to shydog, they pass each other very closely now, and the cat has realised shydog isn't a threat of any kind but cat is still sulking upstairs 95% of the time.I get ridiculously excited every time she comes downstairs!

moosemama how exciting about possible pup!!! Great news about Peanut settling too. You definitely put the work in, glad it's paid off.

I too have won a bag of Harringtons. At the moment ShyDog eats Skinners duck and rice but she seems to be going off it so will be a good chance to try a different brand.

Can I ask a bone related question?

ShyDog likes bones, I usually buy raw ham ones in a vacuum sealed pack from Home Bargains but where do you all buy bones from? I don't have a butchers within walking distance. Do you just buy a normal pack of chicken wings? She loves her bones and her teeth are lovely considering she's spent the first 3 years eating a mixture of kibble and takeaway food!

We feed a curious hybrid of raw and kibble - we are using Harrington's too. Ours really like it. We also like the Harrington's training treats - they are excellent, and all four hounds snaffle them eagerly. They are slightly harder to get hold of in the shops, so we order a big box via Amazon.

mistlethrush Tue 23-Jul-13 09:22:15

chicken wings - Sainsbury's economy pack.

Bones - farmer's market.

moosemama Tue 23-Jul-13 11:06:52

Yourhand, we buy all our stuff from the local butchers - well actually, they're the greengrocers but have set up a butchers in competition to our stuck up village butchers who told us they are too upmarket to do dog bones. hmm There's an ongoing feud between them, with them constantly trying to poach each other's trade. We keep out of it generally, but enquired when the greengrocer set up a butchers counter and he was willing to bend over backwards to get our trade. He even keeps it all frozen in his freezer and we pick up a bag a week, as we haven't room for a chest freezer at home.

We have also bought packs of chicken wings etc from the supermarket over the years.

I think they sell vacuum packed bones direct from the Natures Menu website.

moosemama Tue 23-Jul-13 21:59:36

Saw this dog bed when I er ... wasn't at all looking at puppy products earlier today - oh no! blush

What do you reckon? Surely the perfect bed for Moosepup when he eventually lands? grin

TheCunnyFunt Tue 23-Jul-13 22:08:02

Moose that bed is made for moosepup!

moosemama Tue 23-Jul-13 22:33:45

grin Thank you Cunny. Mr Moose just rolled his eyes at me and left the room when I showed it to him. hmm

MagratGarlik Tue 23-Jul-13 22:34:30

That bed is so cool. I wonder if whippy would fit?

Kitten has gone and just when he'd stopped hissing at peanut!

Loving the bed, mine always have a single Duvet with old cover on it, nothing exciting like that!

moosemama Tue 23-Jul-13 23:08:03

Aw, I was hoping you were going to keep him.

Did his owners claim him then?

I'm actually in love with this one but from what I've seen of how quickly this little guy has grown in the past couple of weeks I fear he'll be out of it before he's in it, iyswim. grin

To be honest, he'll probably end up with a spare duvet and some vet bedding to begin with. Dog beds are always such a rip-off. They look lovely in the shop, but either have really thin mattresses or go lumpy and thin the first time they go through the washing machine.

moosemama Tue 23-Jul-13 23:11:14

How weird Magrat. Your post wasn't there when I replied to cinnamon, but appeared when I posted my reply. confused

Which animal do you think Whippy would like to sleep on? grin

mistlethrush Tue 23-Jul-13 23:39:37

Moose - I've got mistlehound some lovely fleece covers for her duvet - I got a special size so that a double quarters up inside - and mistlehound loves it (except in this hot weather). I got them from the LL website from the person that makes made-to-measure coats.

MagratGarlik Tue 23-Jul-13 23:54:13

The pig would be very apt for Whippy. He is looking rather round for a whippy (even if Dp says not).

Moose, I LOVE those beds. Actually they look really comfy. wish they had something similar for humans, I'd like one.

I thought we would be we really shouldn't have, 4 cats is enough! I couldn't get hold of the owner so out a note through the door and she collected him last night. My boys will be sad when they wake up dh was too

mistlethrush Wed 24-Jul-13 09:00:43

mistlehound has managed to lose a little weight on holiday and is looking in fine shape - we're going to try to keep her about this weight. Its more difficult to work it out right with a shaggy - but she has a nice but not too significant covering on her ribs, and a nice waist - but not sticky out hip bones.

Its been too hot for her to sit on her normal bed at night... so she's back right by my side of the bed !

moosemama Wed 24-Jul-13 11:10:22

I've seen those fleece covers Mistle, but need something quicker, so we have a bed ready when we get back off holiday. Thought they'd be too hot for the summer as well. Was thinking of ordering one for the living room later in the year, ready for when the cold weather kick in.

Cinnamon, you know there are thousands of rescue kittens that need loving homes ... wink

Just been to ds1's leaver's assembly. Poor ds isn't coping at all well and ended up setting me off, which didn't help at all. I'm so cross with myself for not holding it together for him. sad Dreading afternoon pick-up today.

I love that moose bed. grin

ShyDog just has a duvet folded over which I have a couple of duvet covers for, and a fleece blanket.

My girl is at the vets getting spayed today - I hope she's okay bless her!

moosemama Wed 24-Jul-13 12:43:22

Good luck at the vets today ShyDog.

I have just made Lurcherboy get all panicky and worried by coming back from dropping dd at nursery for the last time ever and sobbing all over the place. He's not used to me crying and doesn't know what to do, bless him. He keeps coming and snouting my nose, then sniffing my tears and looking puzzled. grin

Need to pull myself together before afternoon pick-up. Is it too early for wine? grin

Aaw moosemama I think I'd have had a sobfest too, hope he wasn't too perturbed by it! grin

Poor ShyDog is feeling very sorry for herself and still seems a bit out of it. I didn't realise they took out the whole lot! shock She came home with a cone of shame. Do you think it's okay to take it off for short spells when I can keep an eye on her? It seems awfully uncomfortable and cumbersome. Plus pointless - she had it off less than 5 minutes into our journey home due to her head being smaller than her neck. hmm

DS sobbed at the vets and all the way home when we went to pick her up - he has autism and shows very little interest in ShyDog, a blessing really as when she arrived you'll remember she was quite wary of him. I was really surprised he cared so much about her!

moosemama Wed 24-Jul-13 20:49:11

Poor old Lurcherboy has had to cope with major emotional meltdown from ds1 this evening. He held himself together so well on the way home and then I managed to distract him with computer stuff, but leaving primary really hit home at bedtime.

Not sure if they'd work for a Greyhound but there are alternatives to the cone of shame. There's the comfy cone, [http://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/261107187871?var=lv&var=sbar&_lwgsi=y&cbt=y&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=66&ff19=0 Buster Collar]], Kong Collar and finally The Medical Pet Shirt that seems to get good reviews.

Ds1 was the same with our dogs for years YourHand, he also has ASD and it was like the dogs (all three of them) just didn't impinge on his consciousness. confused Then, when we lost our Wheaten Terrier girl a couple of years back, it was like the sudden loss of her woke him up to the other two. He's still not overly demonstrative, but according to his TA he talks about our dogs (well dog now) all the time. He likes to watch me train and ask a million questions about how I knew what Lurcherboy was going to do. Then when I explain about body language, he tries to see if he can spot the subtle signals I'm looking for. I figure it might help him in some small way if he can, at some point, possibly, start to transfer those skills to humans.

moosemama Wed 24-Jul-13 20:49:38

That Medical Pet Shirt may be the way to go instead of trying to get any kind of collar to stay on her neck rather than sliding off her head! It does look good doesn't it. I wonder if they do a skinny fit...

Aw your poor DS, I am dreading the end of primary school for mine. I try to explain about the dogs thoughts and feelings to my ds and hope for the same as you do. I was pleased with how well he "got it" that she was scared and didn't understand household things when she arrived. He also gets a lot out of walks in terms of fresh air and exercise but also chatting to the other dog walkers we pass. Out these poor unsuspecting people go to walk their dogs not realising they are about to be a socialising experiment for my DS! grin

Love the idea of transferring body language from dogs to humans!

I think as long as she's not pulling the stitches I'd leave it off. Better to be spayed than not though our westie we had when I lived with my parents got a toxic womb (which is apparently quite common in bitches over 8 who aren't spayed) and it nearly killed her sad

Yep I agree many more health benefits to having her done than not, and we all know there are enough dogs needing homes without adding to it.

When she was ill last month they actually scanned her womb for infection due to her not being spayed. I was very cross to discover she hadn't been done, or microchipped, and nor did we get a vaccination card so they also had to be done again. angry I felt so irresponsible going to the vets and saying she had none of it. But never mind she is all sorted now. smile

Yep am just going to keep an eye on her, if she starts itching/scratching the area I will pop cone back on and order her one of those medical shirts.

mistlethrush Wed 24-Jul-13 21:50:57

I would get my dogs 'done' even if that wasn't a requirement as part of ownership. One of my mother's dogs died as a result of ovarian cancer.

... the inflatable dog collars look good - although I would be leaving any lampshade off when she was supervised to ensure that she wasn't licking.

I met a lovely lady who has high level as through mn. She doesn't take part often now due to problems with some non-as people ganging up on her. But it has given me an insight into how some people have to learn how others see things - and how hard this is.

moosemama Wed 24-Jul-13 22:02:17

It's a funny concept really cinnamon, really interesting though. Dogs are so clear in their body language that it's easy to point out to a child who has ASD. So for example, play bows, high and low tail wags, crouching with ears back, lip licking, yawning, shaking off etc. Discussing canine body language helps me to raise the subject of human body language and kind of highlights to ds that we all do it, even if he doesn't see it. I'm hoping that eventually he will start looking for visual clues from other people, the way he's started looking for them in Lurcherboy.

He particularly loves it when Lurcherboy has a daft half hour and does the whole leaping around, play-bowing and side leaping thing around the living room. Ds1 wanted to know what it was that I was doing to elicit that behaviour from Lurcherboy - which meant ds had noticed that it was something that I was doing, rather than just the dog being a nutter! I showed him that I was very subtly emulating a play-bow, without actually getting onto the floor, by kind of hunching my shoulders, moving forwards slightly, extending my arms slightly and dipping my head, whilst doing an averted eye movement Every time I did this Lurcherboy went wappy, leaping around and rushing up to me etc. It took a while, but eventually ds started to see elements of what I was doing - which is incredible progress for him.

I do think it's helping him, even though I have quite unravelled how in my mind, iyswim.

Our rescue GSD bitch nearly died of pyometra not long after we found her. It was terrifying how quickly she went downhill. It's such a horrible insidious illness, with very few outward symptoms until it's practically too late.

My sil's Cocker Spaniel also had it at the start of this year and it was touch and go. While she was in they found numerous mammary tumours as well. If sil had listened to my nagging and had her spayed, she probably wouldn't have had either. angry They wouldn't get her spayed because she's a pedigree, yet they had no intention of breeding (well at least not by that point, as there was much talk of - just one litter for many years angry) so it was totally illogical. Thank heavens they didn't breed from her, she's tiny, sickly, has a terrible temperament and a nasty auto-immune condition. I spent years trying to talk to them about her welfare but have had to admit defeat after 8 years. We don't discuss dogs at all these days.

YourHand, did she come from a rescue centre or gh rehoming? I'm really surprised she wasn't spayed, chipped and vaccinated before they rehomed her.

moosemama Wed 24-Jul-13 22:13:28

No doubt about it mistle, having AS is a very hard path to tread. He has to spend every single minute of his life making an effort to read and understand every situation he's in, whereas the rest of us do 99% of our evaluation effortlessly subconsciously. It's constantly exhausting and that's without the huge amount of anxiety and OCD type problems that come along with it for my ds and many others. Add to that the problems he has with generalising what he has learned from one situation to another and struggling with emotional regulation and impulse control and pretty much every waking minute is a monumental effort.

One of the experts on AS, Tony Attwood, once said that if you put a person with AS into a room on their own, they cease to have AS. Basically, when they are alone, is the only time they get any peace and can relax and be themselves - unfortunately, my ds has a massive fear of being alone, which means he rarely gets any downtime. For him, immersion in a computer game is his only escape and we have to restrict him to an hour and a half of screen time a day as a result or he would just escape from real life by seeking out computer screens 24/7.

Daft thing is, so many people think people with AS have no empathy, when in fact it's the opposite, they usually care very deeply and are extremely sensitive souls. What they struggle with is reading the signs in other people that give them a clue to how they are feeling. So they react inappropriately and people then judge them as lacking in empathy.

The other pre-conception people have is that all children who have ASD are disruptive and/or badly behaved. My ds was so well behaved at school that they couldn't see his AS (this is called masking) and this year won a medal from his cricket club for being the most polite, best behaved club member. smile

Anyhoo .... ranty, ramble over. Sorry. blush It's just been a very long day ... and is probably going to run into a very long night. <<sigh>>

MagratGarlik Thu 25-Jul-13 00:19:29

Interesting to read comments about ASD dc's. I have worked with a few and without doubt all have been amongst my favorite students.

Sorry to change the subject though, but just been reading a puppy thread. Now, maybe I'm very naive, but, we knew nothing of the history of our two dogs when we got them and to be fair, many grunds are referred to as puppies in an adult body, so why all the emphasis on the narrow socialisation window when many grunds live happily with dc's etc who almost certainly were not socialized with them in this window. Am I missing something? confused

My mum didn't have our westie done because she didn't think it was fair for her not to have a litter but then never did anything about mating her. The vet said she was lucky that she had an open pyometra and she spent the entire night drinking bowl after bowl of water which probably saved her life. I keep trying to get my friend to get her bedlington terrier done but I don't think she's high on their priority list sad

It makes total sense why it works, think its lovely that you can help in that way. Perhaps you should write something on it smile
Hope tomorrow is a better day!

MagratGarlik I've wondered about that too. I think when rescues advise no DCs due to not knowing history they are advising it just to err on the side of caution. They will have more dogs that are fearful, perhaps have been abandoned or badly treated, have had to food guard for survival, and so on.

I know my ex racer didn't have any contact with dcs until she went into rescue (she came from a greyhound rescue organisation) but she was then kid and cat tested and I guess they knew her background more than you would know that of a stray or abandoned animal.

moosemama you put that so well, and summed up my DS to a tee too. He is incredibly sensitive and caring but every moment he is having to concentrate and try to figure out this puzzling world that everyone else just "gets".

ShyDog couldn't climb the stairs last night so she slept on her bed in the hall, and has just refused her favourite scrambled eggs (which I had put her tablets in thinking it was a sure thing).

Poor girl! I do feel sorry for her!

moosemama Thu 25-Jul-13 12:22:36

Magrat, I think it depends on the individual dog and early socialisation is the easiest and best way to pretty much ensure the dog will cope with new experiences and situations later on. I know of a few ghs that have struggled to settle into their new home. One of the girls in ds2's year's family rehomed a retired gh at Easter and she is a bag of nerves, terrified of children and any breed of dog other than ghs, scared of traffic, household noises etc. She has improved, but only very, very slowly. Poor girl. sad

I had dogs long before I knew about early socialisation etc that were fine in just about any situation, great with kids and other dogs, despite not having wide ranging socialisation at 'the right age'.

Our first rescue was a complete unknown quantity. Whe was a 7 year old-ish, huge, long-coated adult GSD bitch that was close to death when we found her under a hedge. Vet thought she'd probably been a scrap-yard/guard dog, as her skin was awful and she was covered in oil, but she was the calmest, most sensible dog we've ever owned. Absolutely nothing phased her and she loved and was loved by everyone she ever met, from my baby nieces to dh's great grandma and everyone in between.

Coversely, I've also had a large breed who developed panosteitis and othef health problems as a pup and was too big to carry for socialisation purposes, although we did as much as we could and he was well socialised prior to becoming ill. He developed pretty severe fear aggression to both people and other dogs that took years of hard work to sort out. At first he was also scared of silly things like litter bins and skips etc that he didn't expect to see on the side of the road and it took years of work to reduce his anxiety levels enough for him to start ignoring those sorts of things.

I think early socialisation is vital, because at such a young age you can't possibly know which way an individual dog is going to go. Just like people, some can be so laid back they're practically horizontal and nothing phases them, whereas other seem to be programmed to be anxious and insecure from birth. I think genetics probably has a lot to do with it, as some studies have now shown that fear aggression can in fact be hereditary. Although I suspect it's the tendency, rather than the actual aggression that's inherited.

moosemama Thu 25-Jul-13 12:31:24

cinnamon, thank you. smile Ds1 is a little better today, after a rough night. He's having a pj day and we've agreed to treat the summer holidays as he normally would, as he wouldn't be at school anyway, iyswim, so that's helping as well.

YourHand, poor ShyDog. Hope she's feeling better soon.

I have to admit the neuter op is something I have considered with regard to taking on a new pup. I've nursed lots of our girls through their spay recovery and I worry so much about them every time, as it's such a major op. I always think about when my Mum had her ovario-hysterectomy and how she had to do literally nothing for weeks and weeks afterward - she wasn't even allowed to lift a full teacup! It's just such an easier, quick op for the boys and all the male dogs I've had over the years barely seem to notice anything's missing. One or two of my girls have been fine with it, but several have been very depressed and sore for a few days afterwards - athough all have recovered much more easily than my Mum did.

My Wheaten girl had me so worried I slept on the sofa with her for a week. She was limping around all hunched up, refusing to move off her bed, off her food etc, so we arranged to take her back in for a check-up and the minute we picked up her lead she perked up and jumped in the back of the car like a baby kangaroo! hmm I've never known a dog like her for acting skills. grin

TheCunnyFunt Fri 26-Jul-13 10:02:16

I hope Shydog is feeling better today YourHand, has she got her appetite back yet?

My friend has given me an excellent challlenge! She's giving me £25 (inc. p+p) to buy one of her dogs a collar, a Brindle Greyhound, and I CAN PICK IT!!! grin It has to be red, and a martingale. I can't wait to start smile
This is her.

TheCunnyFunt Fri 26-Jul-13 11:06:24
moosemama Fri 26-Jul-13 15:26:26

Oo, now that's nice Cunny. grin

Ok, without giving too much away, I'm looking for a house collar for a scruffy lurcher pup. I've looked at hundreds, if not thousands, but am so stumped on what colour to pick. He is reddish tan and white (white bib, blaze and paws). He's had a very rough start and is a little survivor, so I think he deserves something super special. So far I have just taken the dcs to Pets at Home and they've chosen a cheap generic nylon one in rainbow colours, which I'm not at all keen on. It will do for now, but I want him to have something gorgeous once he's past the scratchy, chewy phase. Any ideas/suggestions?

We're going to visit him this weekend! <<embarrassing squeee!>>

We have crate, bed, puppy pads, simple solution, bowl, collar, kong, lead, various things to chew, squeak and rag. I have saved cardboard inner tubes and have a variety of cardboard boxes, as well as some old sports socks to knot up. I have quotes for insurance and will be getting a nametag engraved next week.

What have I forgotten?

(I bought Lurcherboy a new bed and some more tennis balls as well, as I don't want him to feel left out. grin He is now happily reclined on his new mattress, while dd is curled up in the puppy bed!)

TheCunnyFunt Fri 26-Jul-13 16:07:10
moosemama Fri 26-Jul-13 16:39:56

Unfortunately not Cunny. Dh has, but he hates me using it and keeps telling me to get my own fb account.

Have looked at Silver Peacock, Funky Mutts, Slouching Hound and a few others, but can't decide on the best colour combination to go with tan/reddish fur.

mistlethrush Fri 26-Jul-13 16:48:03

Moose, Mistlehound is tan / reddish and scruffy.

The collars that I have tried on her that work well are here - Golden Peacock, Morocco, Valencia. In reality the colour of the stitching is slightly more golden and the black with that looks ideal against her fur - but they're not too girly. I had thought that red keys would suit her - but it doesn't. I think if I found the right olive that would also suit her - but I haven't done yet. And its more difficult getting a scruffy a collar too - as the ones that look good on the sleek hounds sometimes seem to compete with the texture on the scruffies....

moosemama Fri 26-Jul-13 16:56:08

Thanks Mistle. I was thinking the same about a nice olive colour. Also wondered about a nice turquoise, but just can't decide. Have been very attracted to black and silver celtic type designs as well, but wasn't sure if that was just me being a magpie. Read somewhere to stay away from brocade type collars while they're very young anyway, as they tend to rag and scratch their collars quite a bit and pull all the metallic threads.

I tend to like things like red and white polka-dots for a very young pup, but I'm pretty sure red isn't going to look right.

He's not that scruffy - yet. More broken coated than Lurcherboy was at this age though. Lurcherboy looked like he was going to be smoothcoated for months, then suddenly sprouted a beard and fluffy bits! grin Whereas this boy is already pretty tufty.

mistlethrush Fri 26-Jul-13 17:29:43

mistlehound has pulled the threads on her collars. But we think that she finds them more comfortable than leather collars which is why we have them at the moment...

Hello! Soooo, I'm currently very broody for a puppy. We have a six year old, and a two year old - they are humans, mostly. And two cats. Dh is yet to be convinced of puppy, but in all honesty thats irrelevant grin He'll come round.

Anyhoo, I was considering something small and fluffy. Cavapoo kind of thing, but have always had a soft spot for lurchers. I'm a VN so have met a fair few in my time, but obviously never lived with one. Are they good companions for small children do you think? Local rescue has some ADORABLE lurcher pups, and I'll probably accidentally leave the browser open on the pictures tonight ready for my subtle work on DH.

And cats? I was leaning towards a pup more because of intergrating them really.

I would appreciate your pointy houndness experience if anyone has time.

Thankyou!

It's lovely TheCunnyFunt!

How exciting moosemama! I like the geometric one on the page mistlethrush suggested.

Hi sebastianthesingingaubergine I'm probably the least experienced on the thread and I've never had a puppy! I had a greyhound for 8 1/2 years who was never interested in my cats. I then had another who was obsessed with them but e didn't work out and we now have another who is terrified of the cats! He never raced whereas my girl had but still wasn't interested. My greyhounds have been very good with my children who are now 6 and 2 too smile. My dh wouldn't go for a lurcher because he's allergic to dogs and doesn't want one that's too hairy!

Yes, how is ShyDog today?

mistlethrush Fri 26-Jul-13 22:10:01

mistlehound is very good with my DS. In fact, one of the reasons that I chose a lurcher was because of the hopeful interaction between dog and child (he's 8).

There are lots of examples of lurchers living very happily with families on the lurcher forum I regularly look in on.

MagratGarlik Fri 26-Jul-13 22:18:25

Our tiger stripe girl (who's sort of blonde/red) looks good with dark emerald green, black and silver collars. She'd probably look good with a sapphire blue colour too, but she gets mistaken for a boy often enough, so she's not having blue. It makes sense I guess, as I'm similar colouring and these are the colours that look best on me too.

Reds/pinks/oranges just don't work for her (nor me really).

moosemama Fri 26-Jul-13 22:31:28

Lurcherboy came to us at 16 weeks old, when I had an 18 month old and a just-under-4 year-old. He never nipped, chased or jumped up at them and was gentle and sweet with them both from the off. He is now 24 inches to the shoulders, but to date has never knocked any of my dcs over.

We now have ds1, who is 11 and has ASD, ds2 who is 9 and dd who's 4 and he is extremely gentle and patient with all three of them.

That said, all of my children have been raised in a household full of dogs and are calm, respectful, gentle and sensible around them, so I guess it cuts both ways.

I do think it can be influenced by the mix to some extent though, eg whippet, terrier lurchers will be higher energy and from what I've heard, have more of a tendency to be a bit naughty and mischievous as pups, but that isn't to say they wouldn't make just as lovely pets as other mixes, just that the puppy/teenage period might be a bit more er ... exciting. grin

We have just applied to adopt another lurcher pup, having lost our border collie x belgian shepherd to cancer at the end of April. I did consider other breeds, but kept coming back to lurchers again and again. I think they become a bit of an obsession a habit, as once you have one, you really appreciate what special dogs they are.

moosemama Fri 26-Jul-13 22:34:15

Thanks Magrat - and everyone else. I think greens and black and silver definitely seem the way to go then or possibly a brightish blue, if it's the right shade.

I have plenty of time to search for the perfect one, as dh has told me in no uncertain terms that he has to get our money's worth out of the very basic, boring one we bought from PAH today. hmm

mistlethrush Fri 26-Jul-13 22:43:09

Moose... you have to remember that narrow collars are no good for long lurcher necks - particularly when they're learning to walk on a lead wink

We've got a lovely tiger stripe brindle greyhound, and she has a v nice collar from Meggie Moo. It's a black background with a stunning floral print of blacks, oranges and reds, all outlined with gold. Really works well. I could see it looking gorgeous on a red fawn pup. link

Thanks people.

Moose, good point re the cross. The kids are used to dogs in that both sets of grandparents have one, but both are 14 so hardly energetic! Dd in particular will need some training when it comes to being around a dog. She was scratched only yesterday by the big cat for giving an over-enthusiastic hug!

moosemama Sat 27-Jul-13 08:17:29

Very good point Mistle. wink

Ooo Scuttle, now that is nice. grin What do people think about florals on a boy though? He has got a very pretty face, so already quite feminine looking, I think.

sebastion, I think 14 year olds should be fine. grin It's really the squealy, flappy, small people that tend to wind puppies up - although it's not unheard of for teenagers to do it too - albeit deliberately. hmm

moosemama Sat 27-Jul-13 08:19:41

Scuttle, just remembered why I came on. Doh! Can you pm me a link to your shop please. Obviously new pup will need to be kitted out with all the necessary accessories. (Although it may have to wait a couple of paypackets, as dh is turning a bit of a strange green colour at expenditure so far! grin)

mistlethrush Sat 27-Jul-13 08:20:30

I've had a look at that site and the only one on there that I think might suit mistlehound would be this one. The colour of her is difficult - and on top of that, the roughness of the coat means that I don't think some of the designs are going to look right - she needs something that's an overall pattern rather than one that's stunning in its own right... Oh for a shiny black dog on whom to show collars off!!!

moosemama Sat 27-Jul-13 08:28:08

I like that one too, but think 50mm would be too wide for a pup and they don't do it in smaller sizes.

I have been keeping an eye on ebay as well, as there's a shop on there that sells some collars as charity listings for Scruples Whippet Rescue.

Sorry Moose, I meant the DOGS were 14! Mine are 2 and 6, and quite often squealy and flappy grin

TheCunnyFunt Sat 27-Jul-13 11:03:24

Moose there's a link to Scuttles shop, Milgi Coats, in the OP, along with a few other shopping links wink

TheCunnyFunt Sat 27-Jul-13 11:13:24

Ooh I have a 2yo too Sebastian (I love Mr Bloom btw blush Don't forget the onions, potatoes and peas....), she's great with dogs most of the time but sometimes she forgets and gets flappy and screechy grin

We're going to a show this afternoon and I'm entering Sprocket and DD in the child handler class, that should be fun grin I'm going to attach two leads to Sprocket though and hold one myself, he's very strong and I hate to think what would happen if he charged off with DD clinging on to him!

moosemama Sat 27-Jul-13 11:26:41

grin sorry sebastian - totally misunderstood you there, entirely my fault for trying to MN and do the holiday packing all at the same time. blush

My dd is 4 and can also be squealy, but has learned not to do it around dogs (99.9 % of the time) - so it is possible and to be honest, in my experience, the lurchers I've known have been less fussed by squealing and flapping than many other breeds.

Cunny, thank you - the thread is so long, I never look at the op anymore. blush

Good luck this afternoon.

I have an excuse to be on the laptop now, as am downloading audio books onto the boys' mp3 players to keep them quiet on the journey. wink

mistlethrush Sat 27-Jul-13 12:30:53

i'm not going to be able to get to the show this afternoon (starts in a minute) as DH has decided that MiL shouldn't be left alone that long. He's spent probably 1.5hrs in the loo since he got back from karate with DS. I suppose he's still 'in' the house though - not that she would be able to get his attention let alone him hear her if there was a problem. sadangryconfused

I'm just catching up, ad enjoying all this collar talk! smile

ShyDog is doing okay. She went for a check up Friday afternoon, and is more alert now but still seems sore. I've left her cone off unless we've gone out, and put her in a large Tshirt, tightened around her skinny tummy at the back with an elastic band. Seems to be working well and cost me zero.

My child minder has a lurcher pup, I think he's crossed with a bedlington terrier, he's lovely. A little mischevious grin but good with her mindees, and they have all been taught how to behave around dogs too.

Before having my greyhound I grew up with Labradors and Spaniels, and then I had a crazy collie for a bit. My lovely ShyDog (greyhound) is SOOO mellow compared to them. Her and DS give each other space and she is the perfect fit for our little family. smile

Peanut is much more manic than Nelly ever was but then he is only 2 and she was 4 when I got her. He's still lazy and sleeps a lot but does get wound up by the children easily.

Had a lovely walk this morning, he really enjoys his walks which is great! He knows the word now and gets so excited. It sounds like such a simple thing but he was just walking and not enjoying it at all at the start and Nelly wasn't keen on walks so its lovely to enjoy it together. Ds2 came with me this morning and we chatted and played with peanut and enjoyed the forest smile

Sorry you didn't make it to your show mistlethrush sad

I'm also loving the collar talk, I've liked that fb page and will go and look when I get a second smile

mistlethrush Sun 28-Jul-13 18:29:49

I might just have to get that black and gold one that I saw on that page wink

Well I have been out twice today. I went and read a book for a bit then went and got the coffee and tea before DH and DS arrived - came out just at the right time. Then DH and DS took mistlehound a little further to somewhere where she could go in the lake as she'd managed to get filthy some how.

This afternoon I have been with the family to a local RHS place, had tea, and managed to get around a bit of the garden - hugely less than normal - but quite a bit for my recent history! So I'm getting back into the swing of things...

TheCunnyFunt Mon 29-Jul-13 19:33:51

I'm pleased shydog is doing okay YourHand, does she pull off her new t shirt look like a pro? grin

Glad you managed to get out mistle, how is it feeling now? Must be very frustrating, not being able to do all the things that you're used to.

Cinnamon it's lovely that Peanut realises what a walk is for, sounds like he's really getting the hang of being a pet smile

Well I have lots of news, we went to that show on Saturday, Sprocket came 4th in The Dog The Judge Would Most Like to Take Home, and he and DD came 1st in the child handler class grin I was so proud smile
Also, the rescue (LGT) I got Sprocket from has a Facebook chat page and I'm on it, the chair of the rescue posted on the page the other day saying that members of the LGT page have been invited up to Scotland to visit Questhouse Kennels, where they breed racing Greys, the visit is 15th September, and there's a litter due next week so we'll all get to meet Greyhounds, AND PUPPIES!!!! I put my name down straight away grin
I'm also looking to be a P.A.T volunteer.

Even in a baggy, paint splattered T-shirt, she still pulls off the "skinny supermodel of the dog world" look. grin I think she quite likes it as she hasn't tried to remove it at all.

Well done to Sprocket and to your DD too Cunny! smile

cinnamon, shy girl started off really nervous on walks but absolutely loves them now. Thankfully she has zero prey drive, and fab recall so we have lovely walks with her off lead on a nearby meadow. We are both missing watching her run up to us (she's still on lead for a bit longer after her op).

Mistle glad you are feeling a bit more on the mend. Must be tempting but don't do too much too soon [mother hen emotion].

That sounds lovely TheCunnyFunt! My neighbour is a PAT volunteer with her dog (not sure what he is but I'm sure he has border collie in him). Well done to your dd, that must have been so lovely!

Peanut has discovered balls!! We've had so much fun today with a squeaky ball. He's so worn out though! We ran 4.5miles this morning and he's had 3 massive sessions of chasing things around with me too. He even seems to have learned 'drop it' and waits for me to throw. He took one of my minded little girls comforters today and I was really nervous getting it back but I swapped it for something else, gave him loads of praise and although he then dropped what I'd given him and ran after me he didn't take it again.

X-post YourHandInMyHand glad Shy girl is on the mend. I said to dh tonight I might take peanut somewhere and try letting him off but he thinks its too soon.

Glad to here you're getting back to normal too mistlethrush!

mistlethrush Mon 29-Jul-13 21:36:20

I think I might have overdone it a bit yesterday - or perhaps today as my whole leg aches... and the other one a bit too sad But I've got some physio booked for 9am tomorrow - we'll see what happens.....

Cunny - I looked at the PAT requirements when someone on the forum said they were going in for their test... I was going down the list ticking all the boxes until it came to the licking one - mistlehound is a significant licker and its just part of the dog she is (I was also groomed earlier as I checked a foot that was itchy - I think she went through some nettles). Apart from that one issue, mistlehound would be great.... She loves everyone and thinks everyone would like to say hello.

mistlethrush Wed 31-Jul-13 12:12:45

Mistlehound has been grooming me when I've been going over her for grass seeds... nibbled knuckles.

cinnamon just practice her recall training as much as possible at home and in the garden. Do you have a nearby area that's big but fenced in to test peanut out on? My girl is very shy and has no prey drive whatsoever so I kind of knew she'd be okay off lead. She likes to stop and sniff, and then run very fast and smugly to catch us up. If she's very pleased with herself she'll run a couple of zoomie laps around us. grin

Off to petshop in a bit, ShyGirl has hideous dandruff so gonna go get a fine tooth comb to go with her zoom groom.

There's nowhere I can think that's fenced. I've been practising in the garden and while he's on the lead when out and he's pretty good. We never let Nelly off as she was so scared of people she'd run away from me if there was someone near to me.

Peanut got shampoo from the vet for what they called scurf he has no more flakes at all after a couple of baths smile

mistlethrush Wed 31-Jul-13 14:20:26

Cinnamon - can you get to a tennis court or two? We went in the evening and let mistlehound off in a double tennis court which worked really well.

That's an idea will have a think, there's one in our local park but there may be a double one somewhere. THanks mistlethrush, how was your physio?

mistlethrush Wed 31-Jul-13 16:45:32

even a single one is better than nothing... particularly if you have a frisbee. you might need to go late in the evening though!

Physio HURT!!!!! I was actually squeeling in pain at some of the work he was doing on my calf - and its still sore today - however, the swelling in my foot has gone down incredibly - whether it's the support bandage he gave me, the exercises he gave me (and which I'm doing) or the massage I don't know - but I'm going back. He's also got me to order a boot thing that will help keep my ankle not overbending when I'm walking - which hopefully will make walking easier so I can do more - and exercise my muscles in that leg in particular!

PeanutPatty Wed 31-Jul-13 18:25:49

Evening all! Reading and running. Literally. So sorry for it being short and sweet. Any recommendations on beds? Currently the mutt is on a crate blanket which is way past its best. TIA! grin

mistlethrush Wed 31-Jul-13 18:57:01

We have a double duvet in a lovely fleece cover - and for the summer a smaller cover with just a 1/4 of a duvet in... from this maker here

Don't know what happened to my reply mistlethrush, glad to hear it was positive even if it was painful!

I also use a duvet folded with a regular duvet cover for a bed.

TheCunnyFunt Wed 31-Jul-13 23:02:42

Yep, Sprocket just uses a double duvet folded into quarters. I bought a couple of duvet covers from charity shops. I like the look of those fleece covers though, I might invest in one soon.

Mistle I'm sorry to hear that physio hurt, but also at the same time I'm pleased to hear that your swelling has gone down a bit. I hope you recover soon.

Cinnamon I keep a treat pouch on me at all times and I treat Sprocket with a bit of liver cake whenever he comes to me, whether I've called him or not. This is a very effective way of training him without him realising wink (his eyes tend to glaze over when I'm obviously trying to train him. Hence why it took me approximately a year to teach him a decent 'stay' grin). As well as being a sneaky way to train, pretty soon the hound in question twigs that being with you is a great place to be!

MagratGarlik Wed 31-Jul-13 23:47:48

We tried folded duvets, but the dogs destroyed them. We had bits of duvet all over the hall. They have some very sturdy dog beds now.

Mistle, hope you recover soon. I'm still getting over my broken leg (well, ankle) from earlier this year. No physio offered. (It also made me put on a ton of weight as I had several weeks in a cast, sat on the sofa stuffing my face).

Just posted to hopefully order a fleece cover, let me boys chose which one smile

He is permanently attached to me anyway TheCunnyFunt!! I very rarely get up without him following me so that's a good start I guess. Will have a look into buyin liver cake, where do you get yours?

Our neighbour works on an American air base near us and came over yesterday with loads of treats for peanut that were going to be thrown away! He said it was a huge pallet that they told them to help themselves to as much as thy wanted and what was left would be chucked the next day. It's all in date until July 14 so no idea why they throw it away, better to donate to a rescue or something?!?

Poor peanut had a red lump under his front leg yesterday, on closer inspection he had a tick right in his arm pit. Tick removed and although the skin is still red its not swollen anymore. Must have really irritated him rubbing under there sad

mistlethrush Thu 01-Aug-13 08:11:46

The fleece covers help tremendously - mistlehound has had a good dig in hers and still ended up with all the duvet in about the right place - and no holes. She knows that if the bed is there, that's where we're staying now - which is a very good and easy pointer for her. We've also got a cordura one for the back of the car - and that's the one I'll be using if I need to take one for any event. I got her waterproof from the same maker.

I didn't have any physio offered - I looked up a sports clinic and went there - I don't want to be suffering from this for months, I want to get it working again asap. The physio said that, as I've done the bit that effectively ties my two ankles together side to side, its going to be much more difficult than just doing the one at the back which is apparently quite common - that ankle is currently about 6mm wider bone to bone...

Mistlehound likes gluing herself to me... DH isn't surprised, given the lack of attention he gives her during the day, even though he's working at home!

I'm using frontline more regularly at the moment to deter ticks - it says 8 wks for fleas and only 4 wks for ticks.

We use advocate and I only used it 3 weeks ago sad

mistlethrush Thu 01-Aug-13 09:32:37

I'm having grass seed issues if it makes you feel any better Cinnamon? Every night I have to check her all over as the grass seeds seem to bury down to the bottom of her coat, and I'm sure if they were left they would create a sore. She even lets me check each of her feet properly - although she keeps a close eye on things when I'm doing that - I think it tickles.

MagratGarlik Thu 01-Aug-13 11:21:55

We use Programme Plus for fleas, ticks and worms. It is preventative though, so doesn't work to get rid of them once they get them.

MagratGarlik Fri 02-Aug-13 08:14:45

Oh dear, Dp has started talking about, "if we can't have another dog, can't we just become a foster home for whippys?".

Nice though the idea is, I'm not sure 3 dogs and young dcs would work, especially as we take the dogs with us to most places, which is easy with 2, but I imagine much more difficult with 3. I'd also think we'd fail at fostering pretty quickly. Not sure I could take a dog in and then hand it over to someone else later.

I think he just has dog broodiness.

Bubbleezz Fri 02-Aug-13 08:35:16

Hi Im looking for some advice, we have an 8 week old kitten and are thinking about getting a lurcher puppy (around 8 weeks too) . Good or bad idea? Everyone on different forums seem to have differing opinions even although most don't have lurchers of their own. Also have a 3 year old and a 10 month old baby

mistlethrush Fri 02-Aug-13 10:01:18

The lurcher rescue I got mine from does have cat friendly lurchers - I might wait for the kitten to get a little bigger first and then contemplate one, but lurchers and cats are not necessarily a troublesome combination.

I have a greyhound who's two Bubbleezz and took in an abandoned kitten (about 10wks) last week and the kitten had the dog put in his place straight away! Lots of hissing and spitting. Maybe better to let the kitten settle a bit but I can see it would be nice for them to grow up together smile

Bubbleezz Fri 02-Aug-13 14:47:35

Yeah I'm thinking of moving house soon too, would it be better to get the puppy once we move so there's no territorial issues from the kitten or pup or leaving it a while after we've moved? I'd hate for one to feel bullied by the other. Thanks for the advice

Generally speaking its better to have the cat first, they're usually in charge in my experience! Mine all coped fine when we moved though no territory issues just carried on as normal, had one dog and three cats then.

Bubbleezz Fri 02-Aug-13 17:55:09

Ok thank you. Yeah I remember when I was little my gran had a cat and got a dog and as soon as the dog went to sniff the cat the cat scratched his face and that was him put in his place! Just hoping there's no extreme fighting!

PeanutPatty Fri 02-Aug-13 18:41:56

Thanks for all the bed suggestions! Would a duvet be comfortable enough on a tiled floor?

Wrt to a kitten I would wait til you move house before getting him/her. Otherwise s/he will be unsettled and you will be basically starting from scratch with settling in.

I've applied to be considered for rehoming a poodle but not heard back and I'm also keeping my eye on Scruples. I'm growing fond of whippys....... Keep seeing a pair up the park and they are lovely. grin Tho I wonder if they are too mischievous for us? Greys and lurchers are too big for us at the mo as we don't have the space.

Our duvet is folded in quarters so quite thick and cheap, only £7. My previous dog used to sleep in our bathroom which was Lino with no probs smile

MagratGarlik Fri 02-Aug-13 19:23:48

Peanut, the only people I've ever heard describing our whippy as a 'live-wire' are greyhound owners. Most other dog owners would consider him very lazy and laid-back.

mistlethrush Fri 02-Aug-13 19:28:28

Yes, the whippet my parents regularly dog-sit is very laid back and not demanding - much less-so than our lurcher who is very much more luveydovey (which is what I wanted!) grin Whippets can be very elegant though.

Yes, duvet in 4 would be fine on a tiled floor - its so thick that whatever you put it on would be fine. The fleece cover just helps to keep it folded reasonably and not 'dug' into a heap that is then very uncomfortable to perch on (speaking from the experience of being got up to sort it out by the complaints).

PeanutPatty Fri 02-Aug-13 19:51:37

Perhaps I'll save myself a £100 and not bother with a Tuffie and try a duvet first! Is it worthwhile getting a special cover?

The two whips I see I think are mature girls and just very sweet.

I have one of my ds's old cover but am going to order one of the covers mistlethrush recommended smile

Was going to take peanut for a go in the tennis court this evening but we went for a 4 mile run this morning, an hour to the park and back and ds's threw his ball around in the garden for about 10mins so he looks like he wont move until morning! Perhaps tomorrow grin

Dh said I can get a lovely collar for peanut, thinking of this one what do you think?

TheCunnyFunt Fri 02-Aug-13 20:56:02

I make it Cinnamon, recipe here.

Sorry it's such a short message but I have no internet data left so have to be quick as it'll cost me a fortune grin

MagratGarlik Fri 02-Aug-13 21:30:00

That is gorgeous, Cinnamon.

mistlethrush Fri 02-Aug-13 21:36:58

Cinnamon - Blue? I would have initially thought red myself?

Why red out of interest? I guess I'm traditional, red for girls blue for boys!

mistlethrush Fri 02-Aug-13 21:57:29

No, just think that red might suit him... But I've not seen him in RL (yet at least!!!)

Have added a couple more photos smile

mistlethrush Sat 03-Aug-13 08:45:31

There are now four identical pictures in your profile... I'm not quite sure that's what you meant to do!!!

I would be taking him to places that have greyhound collars for sale and trying various colours on him - although I think that he will be relatively easy to get a good colour for - blues, reds, purples, strong greens - I think they would all look good on him.

It did that before, seems it can't differentiate between different photos I upload from my phone! Wouldn't know where to start with collar shopping not online. Nelly had the collar she came with in the house and a harness when walking so never shopped for collars before smile

PeanutPatty Sat 03-Aug-13 15:42:54

I think red is unisex. <helpful I know> wink

We walked to the tennis court I called him twice both times he returned. Tried to get a bit further away while he was sniffing around but as soon as I got too far he ran back to me with any calling! I still gave him a treat, we then had a throw around with his ball which gives my grass a rest for today and then walked home. So tempted to go on the field but there was a family playing football so thought it may not be a good idea!

mistlethrush Sat 03-Aug-13 21:06:53

Whereabouts in the country, approximately are you Cinnamon - someone might be able to suggest an up and coming event that might be suitable for seeing some collars in RL.

mistlethrush Sat 03-Aug-13 21:08:38

BTW, Jim Greenwood is doing a training day next Sat in S.Yorks if anyone wants a pointy-hound friendly training event.

Suffolk smile

I've also been looking at the lady someone recommended on fb dog o nine tails, she's going to show near Colchester next weekend. Maybe I'll try and persuade dh to go there smile

TheCunnyFunt Mon 05-Aug-13 09:48:26

That was me Cinnamon, her collars are fantastic quality, Sprocket's looks as gorgeous and new today as it did on 15th June when I bought it! He has the blue Superhero words collar smile

Ooh, that's the Greyhound Walks show, near Braintree. We are going to be there with the Tent of Destiny and the girls - come along and say Hi to the Norty Minx. smile There are going to be three rings shock of greyhound and pointy classes and unrivelled shopping opportunities. grin wink

We are trying to source a trailer so we can take peanut on a last min caravan holiday with us but if we don't manage to dh said we can go smile
Should probably explain more, my mum used to have Nelly when we went away but won't have peanut as he's too new confused so we are looking for a trailer for our stuff not him. Still need a pushchair for ds2 so would have room with peanut in the boot. I'm gutted as I found a week near camber sands for £272!

MagratGarlik Mon 05-Aug-13 12:25:34

I have a medical type question for you all, please.

When Jessie was running on the beach yesterday, we noticed she was bouncing at the back and not putting one of her back legs down properly. When we looked at it, one of the pads on one of her back legs looked 'dislocated, as in it looked just like a dislocated finger or something. Anyone heard or something like this and any ideas what can be done to help her?

Sorry I have no idea MagratGarlik, hope she's feeling better soon sad

I went on my first doggy run tonight with some of my running club, it was FANTASTIC! I was brave and let Peanut off and he ran with the pack brilliantly and kept comin back to check on us. We did just over 5 miles and he loved it, poured down so we were soaked and he went in the river twice. Just loved watching him belting around with the others and enjoying himself so much. We ran with a lurcher, Doberman, border collie and something brown and white and very big with a half docked tail.

mistlethrush Mon 05-Aug-13 21:40:51

Cinnamon - sounds perfect! Magrat - I've messaged you.

I've made some liver cake and split into 4 portions, freezing 3 lots as the recipe says (thanks TheCunnyFunt) how long will the quarter I don't freeze last and should I keep it in the fridge? Thank you smile

TheCunnyFunt Tue 06-Aug-13 21:59:33

What I do is cube it up into treatsize pieces then freeze the whole lot and just take it out the night before I'm likely to need it. I had a treat pouch that you clip onto your belt and I lost it for a week, when I found it, I opened it up to be greeted with a pouch full of green furry cubes envy <<vom>> of liver cake so I don't recommend leaving it out for more than a few days as that amount of mould hadn't just appeared overnight grin

I've frozen most, used some tonight while out in the forest, he loved it and came back every time! He started coming back before I called just to get some smile

MagratGarlik Tue 06-Aug-13 23:22:37

We do the same with ours- cube it and freeze it. It doesn't last long out of the freezer.

Whilst we are on holiday though, we are working on recall training for Jessie. Both are allowed off lead on the beach, but this evening they saw a cat on the beach. Now, bearing in mind she normally becomes a slobbering beast at the sight of cats, the first hint I got was that they both started running, fast as anything. I called her, waving liver cake and she called off the chase on the cat and came back. I was so proud.

PeanutPatty Wed 07-Aug-13 07:01:12

Hurrah for liver cake but boy does it stink the kitchen out when cooking.

The doggy running club sounds fantastic. How did you hear about it?

PaddyP00 Wed 07-Aug-13 07:11:11

Hello

Just wanted to pop by and say hello as Missy the whippet cross has quite recently arrived in our lives and has quietly stolen all our hearts!

It's lovely to hear all about your gorgeous creatures, I feel like I know them allsmile

Hi PaddyP00 and Missy smile

I am a member of a local people's running club and its just a few of the members who like to run with their dogs on a Monday evening. Apparently they all have head torches and dog lights and go in the forest in the winter too, could be a pricy business! Going to borrow a proper cannecross harness and lead set and see how we get on smile

Amazed at how cheap liver is, went to local butcher and it was £1.49 for just over a lb. Mine only smelt of the garlic, may leave it out next time!

Well done Jessie! I got impression yesterday that peanut was happy to come back while there was nothing more interesting!

mistlethrush Wed 07-Aug-13 10:48:08

shock at return from cat chase - not sure I could get mistlehound to stop like that! I think I've sorted a training day with a lurcher expert on Sat which should be really interesting. DS is going to come along to help - given my ankle situation - even if DH can't make it because MiL wants him to stay at home... we shall wait and see on that one!

TheCunnyFunt Wed 07-Aug-13 11:16:25

Quick post for magrat, been to the vet today for Sprocket's booster, I asked the vet if it's possible to dislocate a pad and she said no, but it can get inflamed which can make it look bigger and more spread out, or dislocated.

MagratGarlik Wed 07-Aug-13 15:37:54

Thanks Cunny, that was very kind of you to ask.

Another eventful day today though as Woody was attacked by an enormous chocolate lab. Both dogs were on the lead, but as we walked past this dog, it just went for Woody - ds2 and I were in between the two dogs so ds2 could quite easily have been hurt. I shouted at the woman that she should muzzle her dog if she can't control it and her husband later came looking for us and mouthing off. Not a word of apology or checking whether Woody was OK. Some people are just so antisocial angry.

TheCunnyFunt Wed 07-Aug-13 18:32:19

No worries Magrat, I was there anyway so thought I may as well ask. Amazing that you managed to call off her cat chase! That's really impressive! How is she today? Is Woody okay too? Some people... angry

Cinnamon that's great news, liver cake is like doggy crack cocaine to most dogs grin I hope you keep it secure about your person though otherwise you may find yourself being mugged by every other off lead dog in the vicinity grin it sounds like you're getting on well with him and fwiw I've always thought of red as unisex wink

Ooh Paddy how exciting (btw are you the same Paddy that posted here before when you got Paddy?) what does she look like?

Have a good day on Saturday Mistle, sounds interesting, let us know how it goes! How is your ankle?

Took Sprocket to get his booster today and we ended up being surrounded by no less than three cats in baskets. Sprocket was more interested in bullying their owners for cuddles hmm mind you, if he'd seen into the baskets he probably would've been different. The vet reckons he has a smidge of Arthritis in his front left elbow, but as long as he doesn't overdo it (as if!!) it shouldn't be a problem which is good news smile

He's made 2 new friends too, we've only met them a couple of times and when we saw them today he whined in excitement, one is an absolutely gorgeous scruffy grey Lurcher (possible Irish Deerhound X Greyhound/Whippet) with knee length white socks, and the other is a yellow and white Whippet X, but I'm not going to tell you what she's crossed with until I have a photo of her. You just won't believe it grin

That sounds horrible MagratGarlik, hope you're all ok and not too shake up!

Sounds good Mistlethrush, hope you're ankle is feeling better.

How old is Sprocket? Nelly developed a limp towards the end and vets wanted to put her on anti inflammatories. We tried a food with glucosamine and Chondrintin suppliments and within 2 weeks on it her limp went and never returned. Will wait with interest for your photo smile

Wonder how Moosemama got on visiting her puppy?

Perhaps I'll go for red for his next one, I've ordered this one

I've just been taking it in a little sandwich bag. Have let him off three (four including our run) times now and he's doing really well. This evening I only gave him the livercake when he returned after I'd called him not just when he felt like it wanted more livercake.

TheCunnyFunt Wed 07-Aug-13 22:18:57

Ohh I love that one Cinnamon, I reckon he'll look stunning in it!

Sprocket is 6 and a half, I mentioned to thd vet that when he does a lot in one day he limps on his front left leg for a couple of days afterwards, so she pulled it around a bit and said he's not keen on straightening it fully out so she suspects that there's a wee bit of Arthur in his elbow. He was such a good boy, didn't even flinch when she stuck him with the needle smile

mistlethrush Wed 07-Aug-13 22:27:28

That's a really nice collar Cinnamon - a bit 'different' - I do like the contrast between the black and the blue.

I'm going to hold off until I go to another show and then see if there's anything that suits mistlehound - she's really quite a difficult colour for collars.

I'm a bit excited, having booked her in for her first simulated coursing. I expect her to go out in the first round - but hope that she enjoys the running.

Mistlehound is booked in for her boosters tomorrow - although as I can't drive at the moment I'll be on bedtime duties rather than vet run.... Its a real nuisance. I did manage to hobble round the block this evening which is progress... thank heavens for the boot thing that the physio recommended that just holds my ankle solid so that I can get about a bit!

MagratGarlik Wed 07-Aug-13 22:53:31

Sorry, complete change of subject. Anybody looking for whippets to adopt?

www.dogstrust.org.uk/rehoming/dog/1106895/tessa#.UgLBepBwaax

mistlethrush Wed 07-Aug-13 23:12:08

I can't persuade DH to let me have a second dog... let alone a pair of whippets! However, if could get a 2nd, I think I might be tempted by one of Heidi's puppies on LL....

I saw Milo and fell in love! Dh said I'm mad so guessing that's a no!

Took Peanut for solo run off the lead, he was so good! He ran mostly at my ankle and stopped a few times for a sniff and pee then belted along to catch me up and waited in front. He ran after a deer but after a few calls came back (no idea if he got bored, lost it or came back because I called!). He's now spread out on the sofa!

PeanutPatty Sat 10-Aug-13 06:59:15

I'd love a go at Cani-X. Only way I'd get to do it is if I dragged pulled my dog along as despite being loopy she has no desire to run ahead on lead which is bloody typical.

Sorry to hear you had a bad incident with a lab. I think aggression from the owners is basic guilt on their part. Idiots. There is a guy with a GS who I now have to avoid cos he makes no effort to retrieve or control his dog. Got some reason Shepherds are not find of my dog. She doesn't like being scruffed and they do it a lot in play. The breed. Not this particular one. Perhaps she gives off vibes. Three times now I've bumped into him too late to change direction and his bloody dog has been aggressive. Does he DO anything? Does he hell. confused

mistlethrush Sat 10-Aug-13 07:41:19

I sometimes met a GS with my previous dog - who was very timid of other dogs - and this GS picked up on it and was overly dominant because of it. However, my dog also walked with the dog walker's GS who was lovely - she kept the dogs on the walk in line but not in a nasty way.

Cinnamon - good that he came back having chased a deer - we lost one of our collie crosses for 4 hrs once. I do love the sound of a happy hound catching up.

Peanut doesn't run ahead when it's just me peanutpatty, but with other dogs he does smile

moosemama Sat 10-Aug-13 17:10:38

Helloooo everyone smile

I am sitting here typing next to a mahoosive crate with my beautiful new boy curled up in his bed at one end.

We picked him up yesterday and he is just gorgeous.

No-one has a clue about his mix, as he was dumped at just one day old, possibly less. He's very delicately boned with quite small neat paws, has a soft/rough coated and it turns out his colour is blue/fawn with grey eyes (which doesn't photograph very clearly). He has two white front socks and white toes to the rear, plus a white snout and stripe and half his tail is white. He also has a dark stripe down the middle of his tail and across his nose. (Photos will be forthcoming, but are all on dh's mobile at the moment and he's out today.)

I was under the impression he had grown really quickly and was expected to be quite big and as a result bought a really big crate. Turns out he's just a slip of a thing, but as they'd never fostered lurchers before he seemed really big with his lanky legs and the photos we saw were very deceptive regarding his size. So we have a crate divider in place and he's happily snuggling up one end. Dh is relieved, as he was adamant we wanted this dog to be smaller than Lurcherboy.

So far so good, he woke at 2.00 and 6.00 for a wee, then finally at 8.30 for breakfast. Other than that there were a couple of squeaks here at there, that were quickly resolved when he realised I was on the sofa nearby. Since then we've done a minute or so with the door shut here and there and the only yowling we've had was when I thought he was asleep and left him to make the dc's lunch.

Also doing ok with toiletting. All but one wee have been on puppy pads and he's decided the puppy pad in the back porch is the place to go, which is fantastic, as it's what Lurcherboy did and was really easy to transition training from the pad to outside from there. He's even managed two wees outside today, so it's looking good.

He's currently underweight, as they've struggled to get him to put on weight - I think partly as he was surrogated in quite a big bolshy litter and isn't pushy himself, but we'll soon get that sorted with some super nourishing food. He certainly eats well, so no appetite problems and is full of beans with a shiny coat and bright eyes, so no obvious health problems either. I think he just needs good old fattening up.

Lurcherboy was not at all impressed when we brought him home and decided to do the "What puppy? I can't see a puppy?" thing. He has improved today though, when he realised pup would be a great pal to play with in the garden. Unfortunately, every time Lurcherboy gets all playful and excited, playbowing and running around, pup screams as if he's being murdered and legs it back inside. hmm grin Shouldn't laugh. <<slaps hand>>

I am completely knackered. Yesterday was a very long day, followed by interrupted sleep, so we're having a quiet weekend, before starting to get out and about and get to grips with socialisation etc. He's 10 weeks now, so we need to make up for lost time, as he was in a lovely, but very quiet foster home.

Right, I need to go back and read what I've missed of the thread now. Hoping I can take it all in as am so tired I'm practically cross eyed at the moment.

mistlethrush Sat 10-Aug-13 17:18:48

Woohoo congratulations Moose! Looking forward to seeing the photos grin

I've just been to a training workshop with Jim Greenwood. It was really interesting. It was so good to hear him talk about body language of the handler and the dog at the same time - and link the two. He did quite a bit on assessing body language in play and we had some recall work and some other suggestions... Even DH thought it was good and worth going!

moosemama Sat 10-Aug-13 17:57:31

Thanks Mistle. It all feels a bit surreal at the moment.

Still haven't managed to read the thread. blush

Fantastic that you got to do a workshop with JG. I'm very envy

Just had a peek at Heidi's pups. Gorgeous markings. Very sad about Mouse though. sad

mistlethrush Sat 10-Aug-13 19:49:05

Yes, sad about mouse - but absolutely amazing that Heidi managed to get 8 healthy pups sorted, given she went in to be spayed about a month ago.... and was about to be pts before LL took her on...

moosemama Sat 10-Aug-13 20:10:24

Yep, the fates were definitely smiling on that litter. Talk about a miracle.

How exciting moosemama!!! Was wondering how you'd got on visiting him smile. Have you been on your Hols? Assumed after your post about packing.

Think we are going to the greyhound walks show tomorrow, dh seems quite keen!

moosemama Sat 10-Aug-13 20:31:49

Hi Cinnamon, yes, we've been in Southern Ireland for two weeks. Mainly good weather, so lots of whole days on the beach, which Lurcherboy loves, but of course is now in mourning for. Going on past years, he'll be in a strop about us daring to come home for a good couple of weeks now.

Pup was being fostered en-route so it made sense to do the visit and pick-up around the holiday.

So cute this evening. Lurcherboy and pup have finally had a little play together. Pup still squealed like a good 'un when Lurcherboy did a huge play bounce, but still - verrry cute to see them waving paws at each other and going all silly. grin

moosemama Sun 11-Aug-13 13:24:12

Pup is settling in really well. He and Lurcherboy have had a few tentative games together and are generally more relaxed in each others' company.

He has already learned to sit for treats and his food bowl, is responding to a treat lure for the down and has decided the puppy pad by the back door is the place for toiletting when he's not outside - so all in all, not bad.

Dh slept downstairs with him last night and tonight is my turn, but we are moving the crate into the kitchen and I will be sleeping in the living room. I'm not expecting to get much sleep though, as he has quite a pair of lungs on him when he gets going.

I'm nagging dh to get the photos onto the laptop, but he's faffing about unpacking and mowing the lawn before it rains, so heaven knows when he'll actually get around to it.

We've had such a lovely day at the greyhound walks show! Dh actually enjoyed it and asked when the next one was smile. He persuaded me to enter peanut in handsomest dog, so I've now been in a dog show. He didn't win but one of the judges loved him! He had an ice cream of his own which didn't last long and got lots of fusses plus found a female version of him grin. Did look out for you scuttlebutter but not entirely sure what I was looking for! Had a good look at collars but I've already ordered so couldn't buy any. Found a lovely red one too blush and ds2 had a bit of a strop that he couldn't have one he picked!

Glad pup is settling week moosemama, and sounds like a fab holiday smile

mistlethrush Sun 11-Aug-13 17:28:24

I thought red might suit wink Glad you had a good day.

My news is that I managed a proper walk today!!! I have a boot thing that helps a lot - it keeps my ankle from moving... We managed our 'normal' walk - with a couple of stops along the way. Its been playing up since, but I think not too much....

moosemama Sun 11-Aug-13 18:11:53

Yay for being mobile again mistle. It makes such a difference to your sanity once you can actually start getting around and about again, even if it's only short trips.

I have been looking at collars again. The cheapie one we picked up from PAH in a panic is massive on him, he hates it and to be honest so do I - although the dcs love it. hmm He's such an odd colour though that it's not an easy task. He does have the most beautiful blue/grey eyes though and I thought this one might really pick that up.

His colour is sort of red/ginger, but with lots of bluey grey through it and a light fluffy coat of pale silvery guard hairs. Then of course he has lots of white on his face, paws, chest and tail.

Still love the Japanese bunnies one in denim blue as well though. We had an old pup collar from years back that is way too big, but the royal blue colour did seem to look really good on him.

I'm hopeless at this, decision making is not my strong point. blush

mistlethrush Sun 11-Aug-13 20:29:32

As we can't see any pictures so really have no idea of what you mean about his colouring, I really don't think we're qualified to pick out collars... But mistlehound would make that liberty print one filthy very quickly grin (her mainly black ones are quite practical!)

I have been putting up foot since my walk - still aching a bit, but I'm glad I managed to do it.

moosemama Sun 11-Aug-13 21:12:57

Ok, I get the hints about the pictures, I really do, but dh is being a pain. Pup's fosterers, plus an evergrowing list of other friends are also waiting on them.

I will nag him again, but he's now in a foul mood, because it's back to work for him tomorrow.

Not sure photos will help much either really, as none of the photos to date show his colouring properly. We were quick shocked when we finally got to see him in rl.

Good point about the collars getting dirty. I was very taken with this black paisley one but it only comes in 50mm, which is definitely too wide for him just at the moment. I might just go for a royal blue velvet one for the time being and order something more beautiful when he's grown a bit.

Good to hear you're resting after your excursion.

moosemama Sun 11-Aug-13 22:54:29

Hoping this link works. If it does, it should be a slideshow of our new pup at 7 weeks and this weekend at 10 weeks old.

Struggling to get decent shots of him at the moment and his coat colour isn't showing up anything like it looks in rl. He also seems to look bigger in photos than he does in rl for some strange reason. confused

Anyway ... here you go

Your link says page not found moosemama, so can't see him sad I like the first collar of the three you linked to, I'm sure you know what suits him smile

Glad to hear you got out mistlethrush and that you've been resting since. It's so horrible, I had a boot when I broke my foot last year and although it caused pain other places when I walked at least I could walk, I was so glad!!

Off on a doggy run tonight again, hope peanut behaves himself as he did last week!