Was asked to leave a shop today because of 'hygiene'

(151 Posts)
ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 13:07:54

Took my dog for a walk this morning and went via the local town as had to get a few things. Went into one shop with dog - big welcome and fuss made of .

Went into local small branch of well know chemist (no no dogs sign and nowhere to tie her up outside) wandering up aisle to get one thing when shop assistant told me that I could not have dog in there , I asked why and she said 'hygiene' .

I wish shop owners / retailers would get their facts right about dogs in shops - funny how my dog is allowed in pubs and some cafes round here.

I know it is at their discretion but spouting 'Hygiene' reasons is really annoying when with well behaved and trained dog.

I always assume that I can't take my dog in to a shop unless they specifically state that I can. Are you in the UK?

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 13:10:52

yes in UK - I always look for signs to say no dogs and would also look for somewhere to tie her up - but nothing.

TakingTheStairs Fri 08-Feb-13 13:11:11

Your dog may be trained and well behaved but he may have muddy paws, (we can wipe our shoes) he may shed, he may cause an allergy to someone that's already ill and seeking advice from the pharmacist. I am quite surprised that anyone would think it's acceptable to bring a dog into a pharmacy.
And I say that as a dog lover and owner.

Floralnomad Fri 08-Feb-13 13:11:56

I'm surprised you're allowed to take the dog in any shops , I always thought it was assistance dogs only apart from in pet shops. I don't think it's unreasonable either as lots of people's dogs are not well behaved and would cause chaos . It always amazes me how many people tie their dogs up outside our local shops especially with the increase in dog thefts at the moment.

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 13:13:45

But it's the blanket 'hygiene' excuse that people use - buts its OK to take them into pubs and some cafes.

Why would you think its ok?

I have a dog and I absolutely dont think its ok to take dogs into shops.

Same here, Floral. I never tie my dog up outside a shop, I either make sure I have someone with me to hand the lead to or just...don't take the dog if I have to go shopping.

When we were in LA last year, dogs seemed to be allowed pretty much everywhere. We were in a huge department store and all the dogs were wearing t-shirts. It was so surreal.

TakingTheStairs Fri 08-Feb-13 13:17:06

I would see it as actually being a hygiene issue personally, and although I love that you can bring them into some pubs / cafés, I do find it odd and slightly not right to have animals where food is being served.
So I choose to see it as a bonus if I can bring my dog in and standard that I can't.

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 13:17:32

I think its ok - if I have no choice to tie her up outside and there are no signs. I don't like tying her up outside anyway.

Pootles2010 Fri 08-Feb-13 13:19:24

I think the hygene thing is just because they don't want to get into an argument with you, as you say its an excuse. They don't want your dog in their shop - you should just leave it at that.

cocolepew Fri 08-Feb-13 13:21:44

I wouldn't dream if taking my dog into any shop.

Imagine if they decided to take a piss on the floor.

Its not very hygenic imo, I don't want to pick something up off a shelf and find dog drool on it, dogs also don't really care where they urinate or you could walk past products and get dog hair on them. I especially wouldn't take a dog into a chemist where asthmatics and people with allergies may be waiting for medication.

I'm not sure why you thought it would be ok confused

If I went for a meal and someone had their dog in there I would leave.

zumbaholic Fri 08-Feb-13 13:24:10

I wasnt aware you could take a dog in any shop with the exception of some petshops, without it being a hearing/blind dog?

I can see the hygiene issue. In the last week, my dog has:

- vommed up some half digested dead thing on the kitchen floor, and then eaten it again.
- eaten an inordinate amount of tasty cat shit.
- emptied his anal glands joyfully on a pair of slippers.

And he is house trained. No way, no how would I take him in to a shop/pub/cafe.

YY, most pet shops allow you to take fido in. I've only found rural pups that allow well behaved dogs, and even then they tend to prefer you to sit al fresco.

CheddarGorgeous Fri 08-Feb-13 13:25:52

Don't bring your dog shopping then. Problem solved confused

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 13:27:02

It's a chemist /shop - the pharmacy right at the back - so didn't go anywhere near that.

My dog is fully house trained - more likely to have a potty training toddler wee on the floor grin

Assistance dogs allowed - don't people get allergic to them or is it just non working dogs that people get allergic to hmm

Greensleeves Fri 08-Feb-13 13:27:48

I'm surprised that you would expect to be able to take a dog into a chemist. A shop is no place for a dog unless it is a guide/assistance dog.

I also think it is oddly presumptuous to expect "somewhere to tie her up outside". Do you think all shops are obliged to provide facilities for your dog? confused

well, obviously assistance dogs are necessary for the people using them?

I never take my dogs into shops, I dont look ofr signs, I just dont do it.

I dont tie them up either, I just dont take them

Greensleeves Fri 08-Feb-13 13:29:23

Personally I would like a ban on people tying dogs up outside shops. Just don't take an animal shopping.

FannyFifer Fri 08-Feb-13 13:29:40

Seriously?

Unless it is a guide dog then you are being totally unreasonable.

Not all shops have a no dog sign because its obvious that you don't bring a dog in.

If I was out horse riding is it ok to bring a horse into the chemist as it doesn't have a no horse sign?

no, thats a lie. I take them to Pets at home. They like it there. And the lady at the counter always gives them treats. Which they love

Floralnomad Fri 08-Feb-13 13:30:21

Obviously people can be allergic to assistance dogs but its hardly a reasonable argument , unless you think all blind people should be accompanied by another person or have to stay home .

Your posts sound extremely entitled OP. Just because you love dogs doesnt mean everyone does.

And I assume the benefits of an assistance dog being in a shop outweigh the negatives. I think its ridiculous that you should even compare it really.

Assistance dogs are unbelievably well trained. The shop owner can be fairly certain that an assistance dog won't chew the merchandise, shit on the floor or bite another customer. The same cannot be said of the general dog population. I think it's an understandable and fair rule, tbh.

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 13:31:37

Oh well - I'm obviously wrong today smile

seeker Fri 08-Feb-13 13:32:24

The shop should have had a sign.
but
You should have used your imagination.

Sorted.

McKayz Fri 08-Feb-13 13:32:43

I'd never take my dog into a shop. I don't go to the shops while I'm out with the dog.

Fanny, I dare you to nonchalantly ride your horse in to Boots. Just as research.

TomArchersSausage Fri 08-Feb-13 13:32:58

I'm not that enamoured with the idea of dogs in pubs and cafes either, in fact it would put me off.

momb Fri 08-Feb-13 13:33:39

You took your dog into a pharmacy? really? Bleurk

There isn't a sign on my neighbours' front door asking us not to spit on the floor in their house....but I still wouldn't do it!

seeker Fri 08-Feb-13 13:34:47

I took our youngster for a walk today- he needs new experiences. I' take him to the shop next time- he'd love it. They sell carrots- he could buy his own!

ZZZenAgain Fri 08-Feb-13 13:35:00

I'd assume I couldn't take the dog in anywhere be it pub, cafe, restaurant, shop, hairdresser. I've been in a couple of restaurants where people have brought in their dogs and I wasn't very happy with it.

Only place I'd take a dog without checking first is the vet

Dogs are not expected to be able to go into shops,cafe's or pubs as a general rule, the odd delightful exception is just that....an exception.

I am a dog lover & owner but no way would I expect her to be allowed everywhere with me.

Can never understand folks who take their poor pooches into busy town centres either, far too stressful for them.

How bizarre!

YY to the horse in boots.

Huge dung in the make up aisle!

FannyFifer Fri 08-Feb-13 13:35:15

chickens
"What do u mean I can't bring my horse into boots? There's nowhere to tie him up or no signs saying no horses allowed" grin

AngelWreakinHavoc Fri 08-Feb-13 13:35:33

Is this a wind up thread?

McKayz Fri 08-Feb-13 13:35:48

I'm not keen on dogs in cafes and pubs that serve food either. Despite having a dog that lies next to the table while we eat. I know he won't try and take our food. But recently we saw a dog nick food off another table while the owners weren't looking.

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 13:37:19

Its only a wind up thread for those who wish to get wound up .

I was wrong obviously.

FannyFifer Fri 08-Feb-13 13:38:02

OP, I should get one of these for your dog when u go shopping.
www.petstrollerworld.com/pg8300bs.html
I have actually seen a woman in the shopping centre with her dog in one, too funny!

Indith Fri 08-Feb-13 13:38:33

Really? You assume it is ok to take a dog in unless otherwise stated?

I think the response here shows that pretty much every other dog owner assumes that it is NOT ok unless stated.

Dogs belong outside unless welcome in some pubs and cafes. Usually ones in rural areas with show racks for walkers to leave their muddy boots grin.

Or do something like this, Fanny.

You just need to teach your horse to talk...

Floggingmolly Fri 08-Feb-13 13:39:28

I wouldn't have just assumed my dog would be universally welcomed - cafes? Really? I wouldn't use any cafe / restaurant that allowed dogs on the premises, much as I love them. In fact I've never actually heard of any?

HyvaPaiva Fri 08-Feb-13 13:40:23

Why are you taking a dog into a shop and assuming that dogs are welcome in shops 'unless there's a sign'? That's ridiculous. It's a given that you can't just take animals inside shops. hmm Also, I would hate to be in a cafe and have a dog there too. That's disgusting. Stop putting your pet into spaces where people don't have a choice in the matter, your dog isn't automatically 'entitled' to be in those places.

AmberLeaf Fri 08-Feb-13 13:40:40

Assistance dogs are of course acceptable and as someone upthread said very well trained.

Im amazed you would think it was ok to take a dog into a shop TBH.

ZZZenAgain Fri 08-Feb-13 13:41:47

chuckling at the horse in Boots. When we lived in Berlin, saw dogs everywhere. Huge number of dogs live there so inner-city dogs are all over the place (in the tube, in buses, in boutiques, restaurants, cafes). You see more dogs than dc. I have actually seen dogs in pharmacists there too but then there is a general culture of dogs going most places. If a dog is not allowed in a shop, there will generally be a sign outside with a picture of a dog crossed out to make it clear to you. There were 3 in one lingerie shop I went in and not little lap dogs either but they seem not to be allowed in bakeries or supermarkets. Not sure how you figure out the rules tbh

SilverBellsandCockleShells Fri 08-Feb-13 13:43:57

We live in the countryside and the norm is for dogs to be allowed into pubs. But normally just into the bar, not into any separate restaurant areas. I'd take an instant dislike to any pub that didn't let me take my dog in, but I wouldn't in a million years contemplate taking a dog into a shop (except on the Continent, where obviously the rules are different).

captainmummy Fri 08-Feb-13 13:45:01

In Germany lots of older women people have little lap-dogs, and they go everywhere. Even into restaurants; they will sit under the table and have a bowl of water and everything.

Yuk. And I love dogs.

NatashaBee Fri 08-Feb-13 13:45:18

I don't understand why you think it would be OK to take a dog into any shop, or cafe/restaurant/pub. I have never seen a dog in a store before, apart from a pet shop. Did you only get your dog recently?

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 13:46:08

Well if your in a cafe and dogs are welcome there and you don't like it you go and find another cafe .

I rarely take my dog into town ( small town) but it would have saved me a car journey later - sorry if you think I am being entitled.

I will not do it again - just aswell I didn't post in AIBU - would get burnt alive ! grin

Greensleeves Fri 08-Feb-13 13:48:03

I don't mind dogs in pubs so much (though not around people eating). A lot of pubs have their own dogs. They always seem to be elderly and a bit lollopy grin. If patrons take their dogs in they should be on a lead and well-behaved.

Dogs tied up outside shops/schools/anywhere else where they are unsupervised and others have to walk past them - downright antisocial and should be banned.

As far as I knew its assistance dogs only in most places apart from
Pets at home. I allow the odd dog into my shop as the only one that comes in is clean and well trained which is more than can be said for the customers and we don't serve food or any kind of product that a dog could damage.

NorbertDentressangle Fri 08-Feb-13 13:49:45

I've always presumed from observation that dogs are not permitted in any cafes/shops/pubs etc unless its an assistance dog or, in some rare cases, the dog owner has cleared it with the staff first.

As an aside, I know someone with an assistance dog and when that dog has its working 'coat' on ( hi-viz coat with a message on about not distracting it etc) the dog is just so focused on 'working'. It doesn't get sidetracked by sniffing anything (even food dropped on the floor), doesn't respond to people trying to make a fuss of it, doesn't wander off etc. It is 100% there for its owner and would pose no problem in a shop or cafe.
As soon as the work jacket is off though the dog just becomes a 'normal' dog again -sniffing, licking, into everything! The instant change is very bizarre! Lovely, lovely dog and allows its owner to lead a very active, full life.

AnyFucker Fri 08-Feb-13 13:51:29

The default is no dogs in shops

I am surprised you seem so unclear on that very simple point

It's amazing, isn't it Norbert? Those dogs are so very focused and can be trained to do the most amazing things. My friend's son has cerebral palsy, and has an assistance dog. The dog unloads the washing machine and all kinds of nifty tricks.

higgle Fri 08-Feb-13 13:55:49

I'm happy to take my dog to the farmers' market but don't expect him to be allowed in shops. Actually i don't think that is reasonable, and always smile when I see small dogs sitting in a trolley in French supermarket, but rules are rules.

seeker Fri 08-Feb-13 14:00:03

I have a friend who doesn't think dogs should be assistance dogs because they can't consent, and it's degrading for a dog to be subservient.

Not relevant, obviously. But interesting, ish.

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 14:00:43

The default is no dogs in shops - says who ?

McKayz Fri 08-Feb-13 14:02:01

Says everyone with common sense.

NorbertDentressangle Fri 08-Feb-13 14:02:38

Chickens - the one I know also helps its owner get dressed and unload the dishwasher. Quite amazing.

If anyone is interested Canine Partners is the charity that trains the dogs.

Floggingmolly Fri 08-Feb-13 14:02:41

99.9% of shops, op.

Greensleeves Fri 08-Feb-13 14:03:28

Says "common sense" and basic social awareness?

seeker that's an interesting perspective, I haven't heard that one before. But a dog can't consent to being a pet either... wearing a collar, being microchipped, being trained etc. What does your friend think about dogs as pets?

NorbertDentressangle Fri 08-Feb-13 14:03:37

"The default is no dogs in shops - says who ? ".....er, about 99% of people on this thread

GirlOutNumbered Fri 08-Feb-13 14:06:23

Dogs in shops!! Yuk!
I don't think I have ever seen a dog in a shop and if I did I wouldn't really want to pick anything up off the bottom shelf.

I wouldn't say it's degrading I mean they get well looked after, well fed and they r loved and appreciated more than many dogs can be as they make such a difference to a person. And all dogs need training for their own well being and for the sake of the owner. The mental stimulation is good for the dog.

Interesting thought though. smile

SilverBellsandCockleShells Fri 08-Feb-13 14:06:29

OP - are you actually British. I'm struggling to believe you could have got to adulthood in this country without noticing that dogs in shops are not the norm. Neither are horses, cats, chickens or other animals.

Never really thought about that I have to say smile

Assistance dogs are hand picked to have the right characteristics to enjoy the work, I think. You can't make any dog in to an assistance dog. Don't quite a lot of puppies fail to make the grade and go to pet homes?

FlouncingMintyy Fri 08-Feb-13 14:07:57

How long have you been a dog owner op? You seem genuinely surprised by this. Its very confusing.

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 14:08:24

OP - are you actually British - yes thank you. Really no need for remarks like that thanks.

If you take the time to read the thread - I have said I was in the wrong . smile

CunfuddledAlways Fri 08-Feb-13 14:09:06

im 23 and i have NEVER seen a dog in a shop other than an assistance dog!!!

FlouncingMintyy Fri 08-Feb-13 14:09:34

Thanks for your post further up the thread btw chickens. I was eating my lunch and reading about your dog joyfully emptying his anal glands grin.

Floralnomad Fri 08-Feb-13 14:09:40

I've tried to teach my dog to load the washing machine but everything ends up with holes in it , not sure I'd want to let him loose with the dishwasher!

ShatnersBassoon Fri 08-Feb-13 14:09:49

Have you never noticed there are no dogs in shops before, op? You just don't see it. People don't take dogs in shops. No dogs is the norm in nearly every retail outlet in Britain.

Greensleeves Fri 08-Feb-13 14:10:06

you think being asked whether you are British is insulting?!?!

Wow.

ZZZenAgain Fri 08-Feb-13 14:11:02

maybe she asked because in Paris for instance you do see little dogs carried about all over the place, also into bakeries. If you had been from another country where something like that is quite commonplace it would explain why you'd assume that most shops are ok with people bringing in their dogs. I don't she meant anything else by it.

ZZZenAgain Fri 08-Feb-13 14:11:30

never eat when you are on MN!

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 14:13:54

I have been a dog owner for three years thank you .

I get fed up with excuses abut 'hygiene' when dogs are allowed around here in pubs, cafes and some local shops.

My dog in her time has been in the local dry cleaners , local cafe , pub, clothes store - either Fat Face or White Stuff - one of them allows, Game Store , florist , fancy dress shop - my god am I the only dog owner on here that has taken her dog into a shop shock

Moominsarehippos Fri 08-Feb-13 14:15:20

I assumed you couldnt take dogs into shops (unless its Metro Bank where they positively encourage pets). Don't think its an allergy thing (or you would be banned for eating peanuts in the street).

SweetSeraphim Fri 08-Feb-13 14:16:53

I just think it's rude. If it was common practice, the shops would be full of dogs, surely? I'm just surprised that as a seasoned dog owner, you're not aware of this confused

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 14:17:01

She's also been on the train to London - quite well socialised and behaved.

Greensleeves Fri 08-Feb-13 14:18:47

It's not the dog that needs to learn some social skills by the sound of it!

Your dog is an animal, not a person. Other people do not want your dog in shops or while they are eating. Do not tie your dog up and leave it unsupervised. Simples.

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 14:19:14

Some shops allow dogs - some shops don't.

I am really surprised that some of you have never seen a dog , besides an assistance dog, in a shop or cafe.

TheSecondComing Fri 08-Feb-13 14:20:32

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

thesecretmusicteacher Fri 08-Feb-13 14:24:47

When someone has admitted they were wrong, the joke switches to those who persist with "What! you thought it was ok!?" remarks

OP, I think appreciate it's annoying when someone comes up with an "off-pat" reason, but I expect that the shop assistant didn't have time to think of anything else and felt pressurised to reply. A better answer to your question would have been "honestly, I'm not sure, but we get into trouble if we allow dogs in" in order to keep it uncritical IYSWIM.

Moominsarehippos Fri 08-Feb-13 14:28:15

I never see dogs in shops. I am racking my brain and can't remember ever seeing one!

Now kids on scooters in shops... that's something I would gleefully ban!

flowery Fri 08-Feb-13 14:28:41

You say you are fed up with excuses, but why would shop owners need an excuse? If they use an excuse it's to be more polite, they don't have to give you a good reason. Although hygiene is a perfectly good reason anyway.

Wouldn't occur to me to take my dog shopping.

Greensleeves Fri 08-Feb-13 14:30:25

thesecret, that only works if the OP isn't still protesting! Saying "OK I am wrong today smile" but continuing to argue isn't accepting that one is wrong.

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 14:31:19

I am fed up with the 'hygiene' excuse - which is not an excuse as places that sell food i.e pubs will often allow dogs.

LoveDogs Fri 08-Feb-13 14:32:41

I've seen dogs in many different shops before! We currently have a big dog and a small dog at the moment (we've always had big dogs) and I've noticed such a difference with the acceptance of a small dog (shes not a handbag dog shes to heavy to carry!) in shops, when we go to small towns we take our small dog, one of us stays outside a shop with the dog while the other goes in the shop, we very often get invited into the shop with our dog.

I also find when we go on holiday to Cornwall they have pet friendly cafes, were they separate the cafe into 2, so dogs and their owners are in one part of the cafe and other people are in the other half, which I think is a really good idea.

SweetSeraphim Fri 08-Feb-13 14:33:51

What you're not seeming to understand is that they don't actually need an excuse. If, like you say, some shops allow dogs and some don't, then it's discretionary. Therefore they don't have to give you a reason.

I would have thought it was obvious that there would be hygiene implications in a pharmacy. I'm not squeamish about anything really, but I would raise a judgy eyebrow if there was a dog in the pharmacy.

Greensleeves Fri 08-Feb-13 14:35:36

Why on earth do you think you are entitled to an explanation? Leave your bloody dog at home. It's a dog. Other people don't want your dog in shops.

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 14:35:57

But I have said I was in the wrong but people still come back at me. Am I not able to put across my previous experiences with dogs and shops ?

It is obviously totally unacceptable - even though I have done it before - to think about taking a dog into a shop - so therefore I am wrong and will not do it again smile

SilverBellsandCockleShells Fri 08-Feb-13 14:36:10

Pubs don't let dogs into the kitchen. The food is brought out on a plate at above dog level and placed on a table. The dogs cannot, like they could do in a supermarket, sniff around and deposit hairs and germs on potentially unpackaged produce. Hence 'hygiene' is a valid argument in shops but not pubs.

Even where 'hygiene' is not the issue, who wants to buy a brand new dress and find dog hair on it?

SweetSeraphim Fri 08-Feb-13 14:37:43

<I am fed up with the 'hygiene' excuse>

Erm... isn't this you carrying on the thread? Never mind the PA smiley.

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 14:38:09

I didn't take my dog into a supermarket and never have .

Doyouthinktheysaurus Fri 08-Feb-13 14:38:28

I'm not sure why,I really don't fancy the idea of dogs in shops nd can't remember the last time I saw a dog in a shopconfused

The idea of dogs in clothes shops like White Stuff is just weird, I mean they sniff everything don't they....bleurgh.

My mum has a dog, a real pampered one, but even she has to wait outside the local shop!

duffybeatmetoit Fri 08-Feb-13 14:38:43

Having seen (in France) a dog cock its leg in a supermarket over the fresh produce I can readily see where the shopkeeper was coming from.

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 14:39:34

I have said I was wrong some time ago but people still keep on and on and on....

ShatnersBassoon Fri 08-Feb-13 14:41:04

Why haven't you taken the dog into a supermarket?

McKayz Fri 08-Feb-13 14:41:39

It is hygiene issue though. You take your dog into a clothes shop, dog gets hair on clothes, allergic/asthmatic person tries on clothes and gets ill.

I think it is selfish on your part.

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 14:42:47

If a clothes shop allows dogs in - is that my fault ?

slambang Fri 08-Feb-13 14:43:22

Yes OP as you've acknowledged YABU.

But, on a similar vein I took my dog inside a small ipad/ Apple repair shop last week for similar reasons (raining, nowhere to tie up outside and shop the size of a box room). I stood on the door mat with dog and asked if it was OK to bring dog in.

Before ipad man could answer - dog did a gigantic long-haired doggy coat shake and sprayed doggy rain water across every surface in the shop (all his prisine white shiny walls and glossy shelves). He looked very angry and I was mortified. blush I tried to wipe a few shelves with my coat sleeve but ipad man looked incandescent by that stage and I thought it best to beat a hasty retreat.

So moral of the story - dogs in shops don't go.

Greensleeves Fri 08-Feb-13 14:43:33

FGS you say you are wrong and then carry on complaining that it's not fair

my 8yo is growing out of that.

They don't need an excuse.

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 14:44:06

Why haven't you taken the dog into a supermarket - won't fit in the child seat of the trolley hmm

I think OP must live somewhere a bit like I do, very dog-friendly around here. GiantPuppy is very welcome (someitmes more than us smile) at at least 3 or 4 of our local pubs, there is a lovely bistro place nearby which positively welcomes dogs day or night, and a nice coffee shop & cafe which has a dog of its own padding around so - assuming they'd get on - I'm confident he'd be welcome there too.
The food shops have dog hitches outside and it's very common to see dogs waiting outside. They are welcome in a surprising number of other shops around here too - I tend not to take ours in just because he is SO big and hairy he tends to brush into things, but when he was a pup he was welcomed into many places.

Booyhoo Fri 08-Feb-13 14:46:59

i am shock that anyone would feel so entitled to bring a non assistance dog into a shop and get pissed off about the very logical reason for why it isn't permitted. especially in a chemist where there may be sick people!

and i am a dog owner. either leave him at home or dont go shopping with him.

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 14:47:12

Now even I wouldn't think of taking a wet dog into a shop !

Sorry about the anal gland thing. I forget that other people don't have to contemplate such indelicacies blush

McKayz Fri 08-Feb-13 14:50:25

It is your fault you decide to take the dog in. I'd never take my dog into a clothes shop even if it had a flashing neon sign saying 'dogs welcome'

I don't want to buy clothes covered in dog fur.

Also yes you have said you are in the wrong but then keep coming up with more reasons why you should be allowed to do it.

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 14:50:56

oh god ....

Blistory Fri 08-Feb-13 14:55:08

Chin up OP, my dog comes to work in the city centre every day and I was amazed to find so many shops allowed her in. I always ask and the answer is usually yes..... she was in Boots today and the Sony shop.

Only place I know with a stated banned policy is the shopping mall in town. I think most people assume they're banned because they just don't see it all that often.

magentastardust Fri 08-Feb-13 14:55:50

Why are you annoyed at the pharmacist for making the hygiene 'excuse ' though?
I think Hygiene is a valid reason-even if you weren't near the pharmacy end of the shop other customers with allergies etc may have been in the same bit if the shop as you.
Hair, drooling, muddy paws -its all hygiene.

Just because your local cafe and Pub let dogs in just means that they aren't that fussed about hygiene not that the chemist is making up an excuse. The chemist is correct.

We owned a pet shop when I was younger and dogs were more than welcome to come in , get water etc but they obviously sniffed around had a nosy, had a scratch, shake off wet fur , shed hair make muddy footprints , lick everyone's hands etc -which was fine as were a pet shop and expected that but I wouldn't have wanted that if I owned a chemist or cafe or clothes shop.

I am trying to wrack my brains and again apart from pet shops and outside sitting areas at cafes I can't think of shops that I ever been in where dogs have been brought inside?

Blistory Fri 08-Feb-13 14:56:21

Sorry, she doesn't come to work, she comes with me while I work

<wonders whether to add her to the payroll>

Dirtymistress Fri 08-Feb-13 14:59:25

I manage a bookshop and people are very welcome to bring their dogs in. Whilst I don't think it's the norm to take your dog shopping, some towns are very dog friendly and I happen to live in one of them. My dogs don't like to go shopping which is why I don't take them. They prefer to chase rabbits and hump elderly labradors. Stop giving the OP such a hard time. Jeez. I get plenty of people coming in and dropping their sausage rolls/used tissues etc on the floor. We have had some seriously stinky people in. And mothers who don't trouble themselves to change their kids nappies and let them run around spreading poo fumes. Dogs are quite often the cleanest customers though they don't seem to spend much.

catladycourtney1 Fri 08-Feb-13 15:04:18

I have to say, I used to work in a cafe where dogs were allowed in. I never once saw a dog damage or soil anything. But it was pretty common for the human customers to pour salt and pepper all over the tables, pick holes in the seat cushions, draw on things, bend and rip the menus, stick their chewing gum wherever they fancied, and piss themselves and sit there in it. And I appreciate that young children can't always help it, but I'm sure throwing up all over the table is a lot less hygienic than a dog simply being present.

I'm not saying people should be allowed to take their potentially untrained dogs into all shops, I'm sure that would cause a lot of problems. But I don't really buy the "all dogs are filthy" thing.

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 15:05:06

Hair, drooling, muddy paws -its all hygiene

Toddlers - snotty noses, fingers up nose , muddy boots, babies drooling 'cause they're teething, touching items they shouldn't - it's all hygiene.

Really couldn't resist that one .

ENSMUM Fri 08-Feb-13 15:06:18

Wow! I can't believe how few of you have seen dogs in shops. I would generally assume it's ok where there isn't a sign saying no dogs. If no dogs is the default, why do shops feel the need to put "no dogs" signs up? However, if asked to take dog out I wouldn't have a problem with that. Pub/cafe I would usually ask before taking dog in.

Having worked in a Clothes shop I have politely asked many people to keep their dogs outside. It is vile to allow a creature that malts, sniffs other animals shit and licks it's own arse to be anywhere near new clothes that people are presuming they will buy clean and shit-free.

Greensleeves Fri 08-Feb-13 15:08:39

Toddlers are people, OP. That's the distinction that seems to be giving you trouble.

<facepalm>

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 15:08:41

Would you stop a guide dog coming into your clothes shop then - because they also lick their own arse.

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 15:11:46

Toddlers are people, OP and extremely unhygienic .

Greensleeves Fri 08-Feb-13 15:12:40

Guide dogs have special status because they are needed. How can you not understand the difference?

ENSMUM Fri 08-Feb-13 15:13:30

Op, I don't think the comparison with guide dogs is relevant as they are necessary for their owners to be able to go in, whereas pets are not

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 15:15:10

I do understand the difference but they still lick their own arse - I was respondng to

It is vile to allow a creature that malts, sniffs other animals shit and licks it's own arse to be anywhere near new clothes that people are presuming they will buy clean and shit-free.

Assistance dogs still do this don't they ? Or have they trained them to use wet wipes for arse cleaning hmm

McKayz Fri 08-Feb-13 15:16:26

Toddlers tend not to leave fur that can make other people sick everywhere they go.

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 15:17:03

No they just are sick everywhere.

Greensleeves Fri 08-Feb-13 15:17:59

It's a question of priorities though isn't it? Yes guide dogs present a hygiene issue but this is outweighed by the need of the disabled person to be able to access the shop

Your dog has no social value to anyone other than you. You don't have a good reason for taking your dog into a shop.

McKayz Fri 08-Feb-13 15:18:35

No actually they aren't. My children have never been sick in a shop. My dog however would leave fur everywhere if I took him into a shop. So I don't.

NorbertDentressangle Fri 08-Feb-13 15:20:12

"If no dogs is the default, why do shops feel the need to put "no dogs" signs up?" .....maybe because they found that there was an element of entitled dog owners who thought it would be OK for their dog to go everywhere with them, regardless of what shop owners and other customers want or expect.

Blistory Fri 08-Feb-13 15:20:20

It's just a matter of asking though isn't it ? If the shop don't mind then fair enough and if they do, then also fair enough.

Doesn't really merit an argument IMO

To be honest, if I walked into a shop wearing my dog walking clothes I am probably as liable to leave behind dog hairs as the actual dog itself!

PandaWatch Fri 08-Feb-13 15:21:41

I can't really understand all the pearl clutching about the OP thinking "hygiene" is not a good reason to not let dogs into shops. I have frequently been in shops where people have coughed without covering their mouths or sneezed without using a tissue. Most people wear outdoor shoes in shops. A horrendous amount of people don't wash their hands after going to the toilet and touch products in shops that they don't take, leaving their germs behind for someone else to pick up. People who put their handbags on the ground/seats of public transport frequently put them on tables in restaurants/cafes. Food is often prepared in restaurants/cafes by people not wearing gloves who will touch their mouths, rub their eyes, touch their hair etc whilst doing so (all massive cross infection risks). The only thing that most housetrained dogs will come into contact with in a shop is the floor (which has already been walked over by lots of dirty, germy shoes). So where's the added hygiene risk?

However, I would not expect to be able to bring my dog into a shop because that's just not the done thing. And I think it would be highly impractical to have loads of people wondering up and down shop aisles with their dogs in tow!

ShakeWellBeforeOpening Fri 08-Feb-13 15:25:37

That's my point Panda is that 'Hygiene' is a poor excuse .

However I have seem from the power of MN and much clutching at pearls - to steal your phrase - that taking a dog into a shop is a no no.

Wowserz129 Fri 08-Feb-13 15:27:10

It's pretty much an unspoken rules no dogs in shops unless its a guide dog. I don't want someone else's dog boring around food I am about to buy. Bolk

Greensleeves Fri 08-Feb-13 15:27:23

I think we should have a prize for "most passive-aggressive OP of the year"

PandaWatch Fri 08-Feb-13 15:29:54

I think it depends what you're used to as well as some areas are general more dog friendly than others. I've been to some more rural areas where nearly everyone seems to have a dog where they seem to be welcome anywhere.

PandaWatch Fri 08-Feb-13 15:34:07

I was in a bakery the other day where there was a woman with an assistance dog. There was also a man picking up bagels, squeezing them (presumably to test their freshness) then putting back the ones that weren't to his liking.

Only one of these two people made me leave without buying anything.

Greensleeves Fri 08-Feb-13 15:35:59

Nobody is disputing that people can also be gross

but you wouldn't get far excluding people from a shop, would you? hmm There is no reason for a dog to be in a shop unless it is an assistance dog.

In all honesty though I have wished many a time u could use the hygiene excuse on people grin

I used to work in a pub and frequently had regulars who were always in need of a bath and they were allowed in. However dogs weren't. I did make an exception once though the dog was absolutely gleaming shed clearly just been bathed and groomed and was probably the best behaved customer I'd ever had grin and the quietest

PandaWatch Fri 08-Feb-13 15:40:53

They could exclude all the gross people! grin

The OP questioned why her dog wasn't allowed in the shop on the basis of hygiene. My point was I fail to see what added hygiene risk there is to allowing a housetrained dog in a shop over and above that posed by all the gross people.

There are other very good reasons for not having dogs in shops (even just "we don't like having dogs in our shop because it makes people uncomfortable"). Hygiene is a rubbish one IMO.

Greensleeves Fri 08-Feb-13 15:45:54

I see your point panda, but lots of people do think the hygiene thing is a good enough reason.

My point is that OP isn't entitled to an explanation. Her dog doesn't have a right or a reason to be in a pharmacy. She hasn't helped herself by arguing about toddlers and guide dogs either.

Probably cos if u let one in you would have to let all in. And whereas I agree that a well trained clean house trained dog would pose less of a hygiene risk than the state of the people I have to serve. I think a mangy flea ridden , muddy, dusty mutt would put me off ( yes I know it's not digs fault! All dogs should be properly looked after sad ) point is no shop keeper could let one in and then turn the other away given that those who don't look after the dog properly fail to see what the problem eith th state of their dog is.

As it stands I'm obviously unlucky cos I see dirtier people than I do digs grin

Dogs

harryhausen Fri 08-Feb-13 16:20:55

My ds has such a severe allergy to cats and dogs he's been hospitalised a few times. We try and avoid anywhere we can that's 'doggy' but am aware we are often in the vicinity of a dog. We just steer well clear and make sure the antihistamines are up to date.

In the place where we go to discuss/pick up his medication (a chemist!) I really wouldn't appreciate to come across a dog there, no matter how well behaved they are.

I love dogs. Therein lies our family tragedy.

Greensleeves Fri 08-Feb-13 16:23:07

that sounds like a real pain in the arse harry sad

pharmacies often are frequented by people who are ill or under the weather as well, picking up prescriptions or buying remedies etc. Not a good place for a dog to be in that respect either.

happygardening Fri 08-Feb-13 16:49:36

Where we live we too can take dogs into a variety of shops including cafes (one even has a dog menu), pubs, our small department store, stationers, iron mongers, gift shop, card shop, clothes shop, the bank and even the butchers!! We have 4 charity shops 3 welcome dog one doesn't. But we cant take a dog into Smiths who loose out to the stationers the pharmacist and the small Co op. I personally don't mind but do tend to only patronise those that have tie rings outside so we have two bakers both equally good but only one has a tie ring so I buy my bread there. The Coop have four tie rings and a couple of bowls of water. I never buy a coffee from the cafe that makes me sit outside with my pooch. Nearly everyone has at least one dog in our small rural town and I'm surprised how short sighted some shop owners are!

pigsDOfly Fri 08-Feb-13 18:10:33

Quite a few of the shops where I live allow dogs in. A while ago I was passing a local pharmacy and a member of the staff who was standing outside having a cigarette invited my pooch in to have a treat. Apparently they keep a supply for all their regular doggy customers. I must admit I was rather taken aback. It felt quite strange walking my very damp dog across their nice clean shinny floor. Didn't see any horses, so they do have some limits it seems, or maybe it just wasn't a horse day.

yesbutnobut Fri 08-Feb-13 19:56:06

It depends where you live - if you go to Hampstead you'll find lots of admittedly small breed dogs in Boots, Waterstones, Whistles, Jigsaw, French clothes shops like Sandro, mobile phone shops, Space NK etc etc. Not in food shops though.

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