Bastard Dog Club

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Roll up, roll up! Anyone who has a Bastard Dog sign in here! Does your dog hate other dogs? Does he or she bark, lunge, growl or actually want to eat other canines? Are you regularly stressed, embarassed or rocking in a corner by your Bastard Dog's antics? Then this is your safe zone. Come hither and share your tales of woe, and also hopefully your successes.

Give us some background, thus:

BD breed: Spaniel cross
BD age: 18 months
BD behaviour: Jumps at approaching dogs and tells them to fuck off in a very vocal way.
BD training attempts: We're working on BAT, using tons of treats and actively avoiding interactions.
Frequency of BD incidents: Probably some kind of reaction every month or so, usually my fault.

Now, who's for gin? <profers bottle>

TaggieCampbellBlack Fri 01-Feb-13 11:17:52

BD breed - sausage
BD age - 4
BD behaviour - no recall whatsoever. Incontinent. Untrainable. Barks at people. Runs away from dogs. In love with the cat.

Good points - nice and warm. Snuggly. Looks good.

<pours Taggie a stiff one>

My dog would be alright with a sausage. Little dogs don't bother him too much. It's the big bouncy hounds he goes postal at.

foolonthehill Fri 01-Feb-13 11:22:11

BD breed: Springer Spaniel (rescued...may have other invisible parentage)
BD age ??4ish...had her 4 months
BD behaviour: growls, bares teeth and snaps roughly translated as "get off me stupid dog I want to get on with being a Spaniel..I don't play"
BD training: brief positive interactions with dogs and MOVING ON with plenty of rewards. Never ever take her ball into a place with other dogs. Read the body language...bit of a novice at that.
Frequency: hard to say...i get lulled into a false sense of security and then some stupid dog won't leave her alone even when she is being perfect and then she cracks...and we are set back.

My success...when we got her she was paranoid about large black lab type dogs and would react if she saw one miles away...we can now pass one in the street and can occasionally say hello off lead so long as they are only one at a time grin <proud emoticon>.

now pass that gin..what do you mean it's early????

ClaimedByMe Fri 01-Feb-13 11:24:15

I am here

BD breed: Staffy cross something that makes her look like a mutant staffy
BD age: between 3-5
BD behaviour: Jumps at approaching dogs and tells them to fuck off in a very vocal way, shows her teeth, tries to rip their ears off
BD training attempts: treats work sometimes
Frequency of BD incidents: often daily but we dont avoid other dogs, we were advised to go where the dogs are!

Her arch enemies are my mums bouncy Airedale and any dog off lead with their daft owner shouting 'it's ok my dog is friendly' while my dog is trying to chew their dogs ear off!

<disclaimer: we use a gen-con headcoller lead so she hasn't actually managed to amputate any dogs ears>

Interesting, fool. My dog loathes large black lab types, too. He properly freaks out.

TaggieCampbellBlack Fri 01-Feb-13 11:26:23

Non-Bastard lovely old collie dog has a thing about black labs too.

Abra1d Fri 01-Feb-13 11:28:49

BD breed: Scottie
Age: 2
Behaviour: polices village. Anything moving barked at, from leaf to juggernaut. Made worse by cowardly response when leads are off: goes onto belly and grovels. Very good guard dog, though, and happy to be cuddly lapdog and loving pschyotherapist to teenagers, when needed.
Training: walks when village is quieter. Walks with other dogs, with friends. Use 'touch' and also whistle and clicker to encourage recall and paying attention to me.

Maybe black Labs are Bastard Dogs in the eyes of actual Bastard Dogs? <ponders>

Inthepotty Fri 01-Feb-13 11:42:55

Hello owners of Bastard Dogs.

My dog is actually not a bastard, but wanted to throw in why your BDs might not like black labs....

I've got a black lab x. He's had his head kicked in about 27000 times. Apparently, black dogs are much harder to 'read', a they can't show much in the way of facial expressions. He has a very scruffy beard and eyebrows, you can barely make out that he's a dog tbh!

Also, i think dogs like boxers and airdales have very upright stances, that make them look as if they are challenging other dogs, no head dipping or other submissive/calming gestures. A bit of a 'come and have a go if you're hard enough.'

My boy has become an expert at displaying other calming signals, he licks his lips a lot, yawns, sniffs around the floor or bows now. He's also a very fast runner, which helps. smile

Or I could be talking bollocks and labs seem to be needy 9yr old girls of the dog world. "Be my friend! Please! Look I'm a dog, you're a dog! Lets be best friends FOREVER and sniff stuff. Let me sniiiiiiifffff you!!!". I'd find that a bit much I reckon.

My dog is a bastard. Well I am fairly sure his parents weren;t married. I suspect it was a brief liaison by the dustbins.

However he is very polite - to a fault. He runs away more often than not hmm

ClaimedByMe Fri 01-Feb-13 11:50:11

Inthepotty you are right about the Airedale stance, thats exactly what the trainer my mum and I use says, my BD sees it as a threat when she sees him standing there, she also doesnt discriminate against other bigger dogs, anything thats bigger than a spaniel is the devil!

I'm here grin

BD1, staffy. 10 months.
Complete inability to remember any commands for more than 5 minutes.
No recall, just stands and looks at me as if to say "I am laughing at you because I know you are going to try and chase me in a minute. And I will run off. So there.
Transformed from one of the good dogs at puppy class to the actual horror now he is a teenager.
Is very offended by gloves and socks and will either bark, cry or take them off if you wear them.
Also not too keen on hats.

BD2-staffy/boxer 2 years or thereabouts.
Used to be my foster, went to new home but came back to me forever as he snapped at one of their older DCs. Was living outside 24/7 for 2 months.
Very dog aggressive. Through fear I think not actual aggressiveness IYSWIM
No recall whatsoever. At all.
Tries to attack/run away from every dog he sees outside, depending on which mood he is in.
Chews everything in sight although this is getting much better.
Takes great offense to anything spongelike, will bark at it.

TheReturnoftheSmartArse Fri 01-Feb-13 12:03:35

Potty, you've hit the nail on the head there about labs being needy 9 year old girls. I have a Springer/Lab x (essentially a small black lab with a slightly longer, wavier coat) who is utterly wet. He thinks everyone wants to be his friend, but the second another dog, no matter how big or small, shows the slightest bit of bad temper, he legs it. He is, basically, a big girl's blouse. I blame DH and the 3 DCs who treat him like a baby.

He does, however, show a million different facial expressions, and he always smiles, and even laughs (he does, I promise!).

TheReturnoftheSmartArse Fri 01-Feb-13 12:04:18

But I'm afraid I can't really join the BD Club as he's actually rather well behaved, dammit! sad grin

gymmummy64 Fri 01-Feb-13 12:43:49

I'm here too grin

BD breed: retreiver x collie x lurcher x ?

BD age: around 2. I've had him for 4.5 months. Is from Ireland via Dogs Trust

BD behaviour: Strong dislike of other dogs wanting to play or being too close or sniffing him, responds with lunging, barking, snapping.

Other bonus BD behaviours: serial absconder, highly dodgy recall, rodent eater, duck & squirrel chaser, cat menace.

BD frequency: Down to maybe 1 problem a fortnight now. BD is always on a long lead (see serial absconding above) and he does now come straight to me 95% of the time when he sees another dog. We mainline sausage until the threat has passed. Next challenge is meeting other dogs offlead

BD training success 1: Strangely, the other dog reactivity has helped us with recall. It has made me this immediate point of reference/centre of the world figure that all the trainers tell you to be. This goes completely out of the window when other mammals or birds are present.

BD training success 2: We used to get bothered by other dogs a LOT. I think Gymdog was giving off confusing and confrontational signals and inviting a lot of the trouble we got. Now he looks at me and eats sausage rather than look at the approaching dog it's made a huge difference. Reduced the number of dogs who bristle at him by 75% I'd say. Still never seen him use a calming signal with another dog though. He prefers just to ignore them if they'll let him.

BD low point: when he bit my leg rather than a collie. 100% unintentional and no broken skin but I have never had bruising like it

BD redeeming qualities: He's gorgeous, very affectionate and I luffs him grin

Signing in

BD Breed - Springer Spaniel
BD Age - 5 shock how did get to that age?
BD Behaviour - Sniffs happily with other dogs, then goes for them, sounds very scary but all sound and no substance. Will ignore when on the lead but if the other dog starts straining at the leash he will go into full on aggressive mode. Fortunately has fab recall but if allowed to socialise the aggressiveness would happen every day blush

Plus points, he worships the ground I walk on and adds massively to sum of enjoyment in my life.

Pics on profile.

alwaysworking Fri 01-Feb-13 12:45:46

my dog is a bastard dog's nemesis - the labrador puppy.

she doesn't understand dog-language, expects you to love her and doesn't wait to be asked.

then if you really mean it she will be scared and hide behind legs.

i like her to meet bastard dogs so they can teach her a lesson but it is all undone when she meets flatcoats, golden retrievers and labradors who think her behaviour is perfectly acceptable.

in case i meet any of you, i apologise but god knows i'm trying.

Forget to say, my BD loathes, loathes, loathes boxers.

Just saying.

I wish my BDs hatred of other dogs was limited to just one breed grin

But no, he hates every dog equally. grin

CalamityJones Fri 01-Feb-13 12:56:43

BD Breed: Weimaraner
BD Age:2
BD Behaviour: He's just a complete arse. Bouncy, barky, over-excitable, accident prone, enthusiastic roller in fox shit, avid consumer of horse manure.
Plus points: gorgeous, affectionate, gentle.

Noodled Fri 01-Feb-13 13:01:00

I have three dogs and two BDs, both hate other dogs and each other. One practically fits in the other's mouth. We have fun...

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 01-Feb-13 13:07:09

Hello. Can my black lab join you bastard dog group?

BD breed - black lab
BD age - 19 months
BD behaviour - over friendly, to the point that if he sees another dog he will attempt to drag me to said dog and bounce and slobber over it. Won't take "piss-off and leave me alone" (from another dog) as an answer.
He is as inthepotty says the needy 9yr old girls of the dog world. "Be my friend! Please! Look I'm a dog, you're a dog! Lets be best friends FOREVER and sniff stuff. Let me sniiiiiiifffff you!!!"
Unless you happen to be a terrier, in which case he will bark and lunge.

Recall is fine as long as there are no dogs or people in a 2mile radius.
Can't walk behind another dog, but is fine the moment he is 1metre in front of other dog.
Won't retrieve unless it involves a purple plastic bone and the sea

Good points - he can do "beg" looks bloody ridiculous and no I didnt teach him it, he does it off his own backside (pun intended)
And he doesn't bark if left briefly outside a shop.

BD breed: working cocker
BD age: 2 1/2 yrs had her 1 1/2 yrs rescue

BD behaviour: will bark at all dogs going past the house in very very aggressive manor. On lead fine if not approached, off lead fine as long as dog approaching is calm, she finds a quick sniff acceptable but does not want to be chased or launched at by hyperactive dogs. Excellent recall and will sit and ignore dogs walking by as long as they are calm.

BD training attempts: Treats and Praise, avoid situations with known 'just playing' dogs by changing route of walk

Frequency of BD incidents: Varies some weeks none other weeks daily.

On the plus side she has come a long long way from the dog we got back in sept 2011, she was, back then, an unsocialised wreck of dog scared of her own shadow had never set foot in a house let alone seen a child or a cat.

BD breed - Border Collie
BD age - nearly 7
BD behaviour - generally hates all other dogs, especially small dogs which we call edible dogs. Cannot be trusted at all with other dogs, can initially appear to want to play to lull them towards her. Will always pick on submissive dogs and those she knows she can beat.
Now also obsessed with our new chicken.

Plus points: Very obedient, brilliant recall, has passed Gold good citizen years ago but no longer goes to training due to it being rather stressful.
Up for anything you ask her to do. Loves people. Never barks at doorbell, postman, bikes, cars, burglars hmm etc but barks like a loon during agility
Good at agility but doesn't compete due to stress involved in running whilst other dogs are running and the fact that competitions make me ill with nerves

Floralnomad Fri 01-Feb-13 13:20:43

Just checking in quickly as Bastard hound is at the hairdressers having a cut ,wash and blow dry .
Breed X Patterdale
Age. 2.7
Behaviour Fine if everyone else would leave him alone !
Plus points. He is the love of my life ! ( and I do have a husband and children)

Rowgtfc72 Fri 01-Feb-13 13:48:29

BD1 Parson Jack Russell terrier (16 this Aug)
BD2 Jack Russell terrier (11 this April)
BD behaviour Well theyre Terriers arent they, bigger and louder than any other dog. Unsteady aged BD1 has a particular dislike of Rottweillers and German Shepherds. Small fat Jack is not choosy. Haccles up, teeth out.
BD Training attempts They will both sit and give paw but only for food. No recall. Old dog is a rescue dog and never had it, fat jack pleases herself. Old jack barks like crazy if we stop to cross the road. He has a particular dislike of waiting at zebra crossings.
Plus points They keep me and DD entertained. Old jack in his yoof jumped a six foot fence in one leap to have a lick of next doors rabbit. Fat jack can get herself in the stupidest places to nap (second shelf up on the bookcase behind the printer .Dont ask me why. Shes a terrier.

You have no idea how happy all these Bastard Dogs make me <weeps with gratitude>

Masterchuff Fri 01-Feb-13 13:58:16

Ok I'm in! BD is a 3 yo JRTx. She weighs 4kg. She hates anything that moves. Better for DH than for me but a nightmare walking her. Have tried everything onc 1-1 with trainer to no avail. Loves our cats and rabbits and DD but if she's out she'll attempt to eat anything with 4 legs sad

Masterchuff Fri 01-Feb-13 13:59:08

Oh and we had made real headway when seeing trainer but a husky knocked our DD over at a local park and now she wants to eat everything again

foolonthehill Fri 01-Feb-13 13:59:23

feeling better too.........,sigh, amongst friends.......

ClaimedByMe Fri 01-Feb-13 14:03:56

You people with more than one dog and one is anti social BD, how do they on in the house, we are contemplating a foster puppy as BD is a rescue but I am slightly scared BD will eat puppy.

I've wondered that, Claimed. I daren't bring another dog in our house, I think Jasper would combust with anxiety sad

HoneyDragon Fri 01-Feb-13 14:09:31

Bd Labrador
Bd teen Labrador

We can now 9/10 times go past dogs on lead

We are working on recall before we get within 50 ft of any dog on lead or not.

Off lead good at reading other off lead dogs body language

However

She loves people, especially dog owners. If I can't get immediate recall she will respond to leave! But will then jump up at bastard dogs owner instead. Sending bastard dog into a melt down.

Thankfully bastard dog owners are generally more forgiving than people who have forgotton how hard training a dog is and like to make bitchy comments people.

BD1 and 2 are fine with the other dogs at home, its just unfamiliar dogs that are a problem.

Dont ask me why, I have no idea.

HoneyDragon Fri 01-Feb-13 14:11:11

I know I'm not officially a bd owner. But I end up on all the same threads as you guys so may as well hang here grin

* ClaimedByMe * I have two other completely nonBD's. CollieBD was here first, she hated SillySpaniel for 2 weeks when we got him as a puppy (she was 2 and a half) and had a go at him several times. So he learnt to completely ignore her and after 2 weeks she gave up and started to play with him., they've been fine ever since.

We got SmallScruffyDog just before Christmas. Well she really hated him as he was of edible size! however she lasted a month before she started to play with him. She still growls at him if he comes up to her but she's weakening and actually quite likes him now although he is very careful around her. They are funny when they play tug as she is so much bigger she ends up throwing him about!

You just have to keep a close eye on them, especially for the first few days. Most dogs know to keep away from an unfriendly dog, even as puppies. I wouldn't get another bitch though. Not sure she'd accept that!

NotMostPeople Fri 01-Feb-13 14:17:09

BD greyhound type lurcher age aprox 18 months.

Growls at other dogs except his mates, has escalated to attempting to attack. I don't know if he actually would bite as I only let him off lead with a muzzle.

Dog trainer has him on lead walks only for the last two weeks, he's responding we'll to training and is calming down a bit.

Pluses - he is actually a big softie, sleeps a lot,likes a lie in, does everything he's asked to at home and he lubs me.

Marne Fri 01-Feb-13 14:23:11

BD Breed- Staffie
BD Age- 5 (but thinks she's 1)
BD behaviour- over friendly, loves to run up to people and knock them over and loves to run fast towards small dogs forgetting how big she is, scared of puddles, scared of birds, rubbish on the lead (pulls and pulls), have tried every type of training but nothing works. We now have a 11 week old pup who is better behaved than her.
Plus points- fine at home, sleeps most of the day (apart from half an hour of madness in the evening), great with the kids and never barks.

FrustratedSycamoresRocks Fri 01-Feb-13 14:27:24

I feel guilty having a bastard black bastard Labrador. (Your bastard dogs must all hate him, and I can see why) But agree that fellow bastard dog owners are much better than the pfb-dog types that pick up precious tootsie when BLD (bastard lab dog) approaches. tootsie is usually a spaniel sized beast who can stand on his own feet and look BLD in the eye

Am tempted to add "he's a bastard" onto my usual shameful lab-owner scream of "I'm sorry,"

Oh dear. Oh dear, dear, dear.

Just got back from walking BD - and someone complimented me on how well behaved he was as he came back when I called him (there was another dog in the distance). How lovely.

And how it all turned ugly when he caught a fecking Canada Goose.

<hangs head in shame>

ClaimedByMe Fri 01-Feb-13 15:02:01

I am going away out there to see who we can terrorise today, YAY! hmm

Exit shock Is your Bastard Spaniel still in possession of both eyes?

Good luck, Claimed <salutes>

TheReturnoftheSmartArse Fri 01-Feb-13 15:14:29

I want to join the BD Club! But ArseDog just isn't a BD! He is beeyootiful and I luffs him!

He eats shit and murders squirrels though. Can I join anyway?!

Masterchuff Fri 01-Feb-13 15:23:07

Ooh you just reminded me. BD eats car shit constantly and has putrid breath. Just been for walk. Was pleasant but saw no other dogs smile

Masterchuff Fri 01-Feb-13 15:23:23

Car shit???? Cat!!!!

TessTing123 Fri 01-Feb-13 15:34:53

Oh god. I am not alone.

<gets emotional>

BD is a rescue pointy hound / collie / gawd knows.

She barks.

She wants to kill ALL OTHER DOGS. And some children.

She barks.

She widdles in the house.

She barks.

She growls at the baby.

She barks.

She has no recall.

She barks.

She barks and barks and barks and nothing we do makes any difference. We MOVED HOUSE for this dog and still she barks. Everyone hates us. My baby has never ever slept without being woken by the fucking bastard barking dog.

Also, she barks.

And she barks.

ClaimedByMe Fri 01-Feb-13 15:38:13

For Tess wine

Well we only saw a golden lab off lead who the owner called it back and it went, BD wasnt bothered as it wasn't in her space and we chose a different route rather than pass the lab smile

topbannana Fri 01-Feb-13 15:41:27

<sigh>
Why was there no Bastard Dog Club while BlackDog still roamed this earth? We would have been fully paid up members. hmm
GingerDog is unspeakably polite, has excellent recall, tolerates all other dogs and is generally A Good Dog. I am at a loss in the face of such good behaviour and see there is no place for us here sad grin

TheReturnoftheSmartArse Fri 01-Feb-13 15:47:14

Banana, let's start our own club for good dogs!

(Though to be fair, Bastard dogs sound much more fun.)

flirtymary Fri 01-Feb-13 15:50:21

Oh my goodness, if ever there was a thread meant for me, this is it grin

BD Breed- Mixed and mixed some more

BD Age- estimated at 4 (rescued street dog so that is based on his teeth)

BD behaviour- Hates and tries to murder all:-
-cats
-foxes
-squirrels
-dogs in ANY form including plastic bags, boxes or other refuse that might be another dog including a white stone in a rockery in a front garden every bastard morning...

Whilst on the lead dragging me through hedges, shrubs and fences and getting himself tied up around trees daily

Getting banned from dog obedience classes for weeing on all the jumps

Biting the hand of the too strict behaviourist who told us we weren't laying down the law enough with him

Farting horribly when on the sofa and then jumping off onto the floor leaving me and DH getting fumigated alone.

Secretly pushing us over in the night with his back legs so he cantake up most of the bed so that DH and I wake up jammed together on the final 1/4 of the mattress....

I could go on...

MumaBex Fri 01-Feb-13 15:54:41

BD breed - Cocker Spaniel
BD age - 1
BD behaviour - She has no real problems with dogs other than with little black ones (as she nearly had her nose taken off by one). incontinent -well she holds it when she is in her bed, but if i leave the room and look back at her she will instantly piss and poo on the floor. She destroys EVERYTHING! Latest thing the sofa (not the edge like most chewy dogs, but the middle of the cushions you sit on). When walking she hates being on the lead and if you let her off she will just go and do whatever she wants, which most of the time is run into the road to see the cars!

Plus points - she is good with our little boy. good looking bitch and enjoys cuddles.

bd breed - border terrier
bd age - 3
bd behaviour - hates other dogs, expect labs and spaniels for no apparent reason they are exempt from her hatred.
bd training - tried dog clubs etc but they were too much for her, now have perfected recall and she is clipped on and walked past any other dogs while jealously watching her brother play, is regularly told she could play too if she wasnt such a bastard.
bd incidents - never any more as she is always on lead around other dogs.

But, she is so cute and every person that has ever met her loves her even if they hate dogs.

groovejet Fri 01-Feb-13 16:29:01

bd breed - cavalier
bd age - almost a year
bd behaviour - will wait until I think he has achieved good recall and then bomb the full length of the park to see another dog or interesting looking person. Hates the rain, ran off over a huge field to seek shelter under a tree when we got caught out in a heavy shower.
bd training - usually good at training unless it has been wet then will refuse to sit or lie down and convinces everybody that he is a pampered dog unlike their more hardcore breeds.

plus points - he is very chilled out in the house and loves cuddling up to me.

kitsmummy Fri 01-Feb-13 16:35:49

BD1 breed -pug x french bulldog
BD1 age - 2
BD1 behaviour - bloody barking at any dog or person she can see from our house. Running up to and barking at any dog she meets on walks. Sounding agressive, although I think it's actually fear. Going nuts at any dog/person she can see when she's in the car. At home, she's the best, most lovely dog ever with an amazing temperament.
BD1 training - puppy classes, walks once a week for a year with a dog walker and loads of other dogs (also daily walks with me obviously). Now seeing a dog behaviourist tomorrow!
Frequency - every time she sees another dog! (apart from BD2)

BD2 breed - boxer x border terrier
BD2 age - 8 months
BD2 behaviour - barking at everything and everyone (behaviour learnt from BD1 as she didn't do this when we first had her from rescue sad)
BD2 training - puppy classes and a little amount of clicker training from me which she picks up brilliantly. I'm going to use behaviourists methods on BD2 also.
BD2 frequency - again, everytime she sees any dog/person (but very people friendly once she can get to them. She's a little big scared of other dogs but there is no agression there.)

I properly love both my dogs but I think I'm a fairly rubbish owner in terms of realising their issues and knowing how to deal with it appropriately, as they both obviously weren't born like this.

BD1 breed - Beagle
BD1 age - anywhere between 8 - 13, vet cant decide as Rescue dog and teeth missing
BD1 behaviour - steals food from everywhere, always on the hunt, turn your back for one nano second and its gone - sandwich -cakes -crisps - roast dinner -BD2s dinner - anything. Howls with excitement when the lead comes out, and I mean howl. Thinks shes a lap dog shes fat, heavy and massive but still tries to sit on you. Bad breath, will knock you out at 50ft due to eating poo.
BD1 Training - when we got her she couldnt even walk on a lead and it took 24 hours to get her out from under out bed as she was so scared, so training done by us, shes fab now apart from the food.
BD1 frequency - constant!

BD2 breed - Pugalier
BD2 age - 5
BD2 behaviour - shes actually quite good apart from humping the cat and barking at any noise, people who come to the door are scared when they see her but I`m afraid BD2 laugh when they see you.
BD2 frequency - nightly shag and everytime the door goes or dog comes on telly.
BD2 Training - puppy classes when she was little.

Yeah love them both really.

mum47 Fri 01-Feb-13 16:58:13

smile Dreams, we have a BD Beagle too with exactly the same BD1 behaviour. Her recall is appalling. She terrorises the postie and indeed anyone who dares even walk down our street. She steals everything - gloves, socks, dirty washing. She farts constantly and blames us (glares at us and then stalks out of the room) My ds' love her but I think she actually hates them as they area always leaping all over her. If anyone comes to the door she leaps at them and knocks them flying.
She is fab, and I love her! And yes, I am well aware that this post says more about my lack of training than hers.

mum grin youve just reminded me of the farting OMG she sleeps under our bed (yes we are stupid I know) and when she knocks one out, you know! I forgot to mention the wet snoring, is that a Beagle trait? I have to wear ear plugs, its so loud dd can hear it through the walls!

She is without doubt the worse behaved dog I have ever had, but my heart melts for her.

Cuebill Fri 01-Feb-13 17:14:40

Please do start a good dog thread - I hate the name of this thread poor dogs sad

HoneyDragon Fri 01-Feb-13 17:27:12

Cuebill, I can assure that this is a venty term of endearment. Some of the posters that are using this term are DH regulars working with these dogs who would happily chop limbs of to make their BDs feel safe and content.

mum47 Fri 01-Feb-13 17:30:23

Dreams, I take your "under our bed" and raise you to "on our bed". blush
Yes, she snores like a bloody train, between her and dh I cannot remember the time I last had a full night's sleep!
As I type this, she has just nicked some christmas scented pot pourri off the dining room table (don't ask) and hidden under the chair with it. She can have it, she's eaten a lot worse and survived!

Cuebill Fri 01-Feb-13 17:30:34

Ok then but still think it is horrid......<stomps off in childish manner to cuddle her own reactive dog who is trying really hard to confirm to humans view of normal>

Maybe the dogs could start a Bastard owner thread on how their owners do not understand them

cue bills, my terrier would be the first to post on that thread. we adore the grumpy bugger.

Awesome number of Bastard Dogs here. I'm a little sad today because my Bastard Dog is probably being put to sleep tomorrow.

BD breed: Black Labrador/Curly Coated Retriever cross
BD age: 12
BD behaviour: Randomly hates about 30% of the dog population. Some you can predict, nervous, flighty dogs, small yappy dogs, dogs with pricked ears like Huskies and German Shepherds and black Labradors hmm but with others there would be no rhyme or reason. Barks, all the bloody time. When she wants something, if she's left alone, at every sound both real and imagined etc. etc. Shredder extraordinaire, if it's chewable she'll destroy it. Once ate a single bed mattress. Major thief and clever enough to work out how to get into the things she wants.
BD training attempts: We tried all sorts of stuff over the years with varying degrees of success. Eventually she got old, deaf and nearly blind. She still barks for attention, she's barking right now because it is half an hour till dinner time smile and she still shreds. Most of the puppies soft toys have been disembowelled.

Despite everything she has been an amazing dog. Fantastic with the boys, wonderful with our other dogs and marvellously snuggly and loving. She will leave a huge, bastard shaped hole in our lives.

I forgot to mention the poo eating and the rolling in everything stinky with amazing relish.

HoneyDragon Fri 01-Feb-13 18:23:46

Cuebill. I think if their was a Dogsnet. For Dogs by Dogs, they would start that thread. I really do.

digerd Fri 01-Feb-13 18:53:06

I think all dogs have an irrisistable innate urge to roll in the stinkyist thing to rid them of parasites. My Lhasa Apso, was always the first to find the most repugnant smelling dead fish to roll in, and the other 2 Westies followed. Phew what a pong! They also ran with glee at MIL's to search for her cat's poos in her garden - yuck. But that's what dogs do.
One Westie repeatedly tried to attack a large Hedgehog in the garden, but it wasn't harmed, she was, with spines stuck in her bleeding lips and its fleas jumping around on her head- quite clear to see on her white hair. I had to sort it all out at 11pm at night.

Aw, Cuebill. This is firmly tongue in cheek. You know I adore my BD; I've asked for your advice enough times grin. I don't think he's a bastard, but I strongly suspect other people do when he's gobbing off. I have decided to reclaim the term. I'm using it before it's used.

gymmummy64 Fri 01-Feb-13 18:58:24

Wow chickens your club is so popular! Who knew Mnetters had so many bastard dogs?! Makes me feel much much better

Cuebill, I adore my reactive dog, and love every cantankerous bone in his body. This is a fun, lighthearted thread.

BD - Breed - Greyhound
Age - 10

Behaviour - Nervous with men he doesn't know well - badly treated and quite badly scarred still. Also reactive with other dogs (though adores his 3 housemates). A completely soppy love bucket with people he knows.

Training - Doing BAT and this is working well though the encroachment of off lead "he is only being friendly" can put us back. Recently diagnosed with arthritis and Previcox helping enormously. Has made huge strides with confidence generally since he came to us last year. So lovely and heartwarming to see him making progress. Still challenging.

BrianCoxandTheTempleofDOOM Fri 01-Feb-13 19:21:59

I have a semi BD.

She is great off lead, absolutely brilliant - but then she is a half lab/half mutt and the lab part is prevalent eg: "Be my friend! Please! Look I'm a dog, you're a dog! Lets be best friends FOREVER and sniff stuff. Let me sniiiiiiifffff you!!!".

She has great recall unless I shout a nano second too late and then she's off on her own mission

On lead she is the biggest, snarliest, PMT-addled, bastardy bastard and it is exhausting.

Not always been this way, she is 6.5 years old and this has been getting more common this last few years. I am working on distraction with food and trying to relax when other dogs approach (ie walk past) as I do think my being tense has not helped the situation - bit of a vicious circle.

It is like having 2 dogs, she is a delight off-lead and very good at staying away from other BD's (but does like to intimidate small dogs by standing over them hmm and then looks surprised that they tell her to fuck-the-fuck-off!) On lead, she is hard bloody work!

She also has a habit of chewing cat food tins (on the rare occasion I forget to throw them in the outside bin straight away) and I can not have a kitchen bin as she is Queen of Getting In A Bin.

Good points - Gives the most beautiful cuddles, loves our cats and loves....my 9 year old, needy DD with a passion (so there is definitely something in that theory!) grin

DeepRedBetty Fri 01-Feb-13 19:47:48

Always lovely to hear about everyone else's dogs. But you're making me miss my favourite Bastard Dog Client, who's gone to live in Switzerland for two years sad.

BD breed: Rhodesian Ridgeback
BD age: 7 years
BD behaviour: Jumps at anything she doesn't approve of, while making a noise like an artillery shell landing. Things she doesn't approve of include... people with walking sticks. People carrying bags, especially flappy empty carrier bags. Things she thinks are flappy carrier bags, like the hood on a child's waterproof coat blush, that was awful... Joggers. Cyclists. Horses. Cows. Ducks.
BD training attempts: I was her Walker, not her owner, we tried all sorts but in the end I was instructed to take her to a place where there weren't any other dogs and given vast amounts of petrol money to do so. Not really a long term solution.

Miss so much!

NoThankYouToSideSalad Fri 01-Feb-13 21:04:30

Having been a very smug owner of two (now sadly deceased) beautifully behaved and obedient border collies, fate has bit me on the bum and I am the apologetic owner of 2 BDs. So...

BD1 Breed - female border collie
BD1 Age - 2 years. Have had her from 9 weeks
BD behaviour - Obnoxious teenager eg.whilst indoors she is "velcro" dog. Once outside, however, it is all "yeah, whatevs I'm off. Laters.." Any attempt at recall is met with a "speak to the paw 'cause the ears ain't listening" attitude. She also has a penchant for consuming poo - fox poo, her poo, BD2's poo, cow pats, sheep poo,etc - which wouldn't be too bad except that she likes to lick - a lot - around my mouth (bleurgh). She also enjoys deliberately winding up BD2 e.g. stealing his ball/bone/toy and prancing about with it in her mouth, waggling it in his face as if to say "nah, nah ne nah nah...you can't have it" until BD2 has a canine meltdown (ear piercing barks, whimpers, frantic lunges,etc.)
Training - failing miserably with recall as she has no interest in treats or toys. Am avoiding wooded areas as she is better in open fields. I think this is because she can then get a better run up to body charge BD2 as he chases his ball.

BD2 -male springer spaniel
BD Age - 2 (we think) Got him from a rescue 6 months ago
BD behaviour - can NOT stay out of mud. The stinkier the better. Insists on full body dives in mud when catching ball. Ball obsessed. Will plough down anyone and anything in his way when in pursuit of ball and frequently does. A persistent stealer of balls from both dogs and people and WILL. NOT. LET. GO. EVER. Stages a sit down when it is time to leave the park i.e. sits on his haunches and refuses to budge. Also refuses to leave stagnant pools of water.
Training - I try to put him on lead well before we reach smelly pools of water. HOWEVER, I have been sussed out by BD2 and he will now sprint far ahead of me to get to said smelly pool. I carry A LOT of balls with me to distract him from other balls. I have been known to pick him up like a tantruming toddler when leaving the park.

Good Points: Both LOVE people and other dogs. They love snuggling; they're gorgeous; and I love them to bits (poo breath and all). smile

Cuebill This is clearly not the thread for you.

BASTARDDOG

Hear that scream? That is the noise of the owner of a BASTARDDOG. Wrapped up in that noise is the shame, the guilt, the worry, the fear, the nerves, the sick feeling in the pit of the stomach when you have to go and see the headmistress.... all that fecking stress when you are taking the fecking dog for a fecking walk. That fecking dog that lies under your chair with his cold wet nose pressed against the back of your heel, whispering, I love you, I love you, I love you, you are the best thing since sliced liver bread, take me out, take me out, I promise I won't catch a Canada Goose do anything wrong, I won't attack anything or be aggressive, look, look, look at these eyes, are these the eyes of a monster, really?

<takes Bastarddog out>

MagratGarlik Sat 02-Feb-13 00:30:19

Dd 1. Whippet.

Age: almost 3 years
Background: rescued at 12 months, good with dogs. Attacked by staff x shortly after we got him. Now reactive to dogs if he is on lead.

AdoraBell Sat 02-Feb-13 01:58:39

My luffly mountain of a German shepherd hurt me today, so he had Temporary Bastard status.

Wasn't his fault though. Had to chain him sad to let a bloke in protective suit, goggles and breathing mask (they love that look, my dogs) fumigate the house. Then had to move dogs and my teddy bear thought he was going walkies and went for it. Twisted my ankle good and proper, he did.

He's gorgeous really though, usually only wants to kill dogs who try to get into his garden. Oh, and pee on any visistor's car wheels. Not a real Bastard Dog at all.

TessTing123 Sat 02-Feb-13 07:56:16

My Bastard Dog has heard a rumour that I would like her to stop bark bark bark barking and waking the baby every day twice a day and at various points all through the night, so this morning she thoughtfully leapt the bab gate and went and JUMPED ON THE SLEEPING BABY instead.

Ooh, can I join?
BD Breed - German Shephard
Age - 10 months
Behaviour - will chew anything in sight, including clothing, kitchen utensils, shoes, books, sponges and the cat confused Barks and lunges at some other dogs - there appears to be no reason why chooses to bark at certain dogs hmm
Training - She has excellent recall so she gets called back and sat next to me before treats are forthcoming (and then carries on barking from a distance until the enemy is out of sight).
Plus points - she loves me and will give me a cuddle whenever I want one. She grins at me. Her recall has been brill, she responded to her name straight away and has never ignored it. I love her smile

punter Sat 02-Feb-13 09:14:08

Joining in please (so glad to meet up)

Bpuppy.
Golden Lab 5 months old
Loves everyone especially small children which can be difficult when they scream and howl.
Sits and waits to meet other dogs who are off lead, owners think what a well behaved puppy, then he rushes at their dog, quickly turns and greets (ie tries to get on their shoulders) owner who probably smells of treats
Picks up every bit of rubbish on the pavement and redistributes it in someone's driveway
Pretends to be starving all the time
Does not bear comparison with previous rescue dog (now gone to dog heaven) according to DH, rescue dog was a saint and did everything perfectly apparently (my memory is somewhat different)
But he makes wonderful hot water bottle in the evening wrapped around me and snoring like a pig.
Time for a walk (drag on lead)

ClaimedByMe Sat 02-Feb-13 09:49:38

Today is Saturday, DP is off work, today BD is his responsibility, heehee!!

Claimed, I like your style.

almostanotherday Sat 02-Feb-13 10:31:58

Breed-border x pug
Age-1
She barks at everything and everyone! The vet said to ignore the barking hmm

bergedorf Sat 02-Feb-13 11:04:53

Can I join too??

I find it hard to find the funny side sometimes and I Need a thread like this to help me get some perspective!

Breed: miniature schnauzer
Age: almost 7 months
Behaviour: hysterical barking was my biggest problem, till she started snapping. She has recently come into season though, so am Hoping the snapping is a temporary hormone thing.

Training: calming everything right down. No visitors, walks in lonely places, tape over front doorbell, children instructed to be quiet and no running...

Oh my. It's hardsad

There. I told you I was having problems seeing the funny side.

Sorry.

Oh bergedorf sad That does sound tough. Are you attending any puppy classes with her? Sometimes you need a professional type to give you a hand. I took my dog to training classes and then had a behaviourist in to give me some advice. It really helped <sneaky hug>

My BD has excelled himself this morning, by pulling DH over on his morning walk. To be fair, it was icy, and Jas did stop as soon as heard the big human crash to the ground in an explosion of profanities. He then licked the big person a bit before sighing deeply at the shitness of being a biped.

littlewhitebag Sat 02-Feb-13 12:24:05

My BD:

9 month old golden lab:

Hates her control lead and tries to get it off at any opportunity - now has a permanently pink bit on end of nose from doing this.

Barks at anyone who walks remotely near our house in an attempt to be a guard dog then rolls over and presents tummy if someone actually comes to the house.

Has zero recall if another dog is in the vicinity.

Is trying to dig an escape route out of he garden so our grass looks literally as if bombs have been dropped on it.

Wakes too early and whines to get out.

Eats small rodents when out on walks (well chews them then rubs herself all over the mushy little body - gross)

Plus sides:
Cute, cute cute - big brown soppy eye and soft silky ears. She is also good for resting feet on when watching TV.

Ddog2 is a bit of a BastardDog.

BD breed - lab-pointer cross (we think - she's a rescue dog, the Dogs' Trust billed her as lab cross).

BD behaviour - barking at anything and anyone who dares to approach our house, or any of the neighbours' houses (even the neighbours are not allowed to drive/walk up their own drives) or goes past our house. Thankfully we live in a cul de sac, so there is not too much traffic.

She loves dh. He is hers, and hers alone. She gets a real face on her if he talks to or plays with ddog1, and if dh and I attempt to have a cuddle, she will insinuate herself between us and wiggle her bony bum until she is the centre of attention.

She has awful habits - her finest moment was rolling in half a dear, runny seal,on the beach - and dh had taken them to the beach on the train so he had to take her home on the train too! She stunk so badly even ddog1 - a lab, so has equally low tastes and standards - didn't want to sit near her!

Training - I have tried to teach 'no barking' as a command - telling her no barking and rewarding her when she stops barking. It hasn't worked yet.

Good points - very affectionate and very bright. Good recall. Doesn't go for other dogs, but will growl or bark at them. Runs like the wind.

TaggieCampbellBlack Sat 02-Feb-13 13:41:14

Bastard Dog has emptied the bathroom bin.

I also have Bastard Teenage Girls.

Ew ew ew.

<horror>

Taggie, you've earned a wine

clam Sat 02-Feb-13 14:01:57

Taggie My BD has been there, sniffed that, deposited the contents all over the landing and got the T shirt! Nice.

Floralnomad Sat 02-Feb-13 14:05:32

This is one of the many reasons we have a stair gate! Hope it didn't eat anything too manky , my BD is currently laying on the setee watching the rugby.

BrianCoxandTheTempleofDOOM Sat 02-Feb-13 14:19:11

My semi BD once discovered a 'toy' that she proceeded to take from it's hiding place in a box under my bed and play/chew it to death in the living room.

This happened the same day that my mum decided to call in to use the bathroom (she works from her car, was in my area) and I didn't get home until much later.

Now THAT was embarrassing.

<dies a little bit more inside at the memory>

<wonders how I can supress that memory>

Well - I definitely wouldn't go mentioning said embarrassing memory on a site full of people with everlastingly long memories for such things, BrianCox! grin

Oh, Brian <shakes head> School girl error, that <adds info to spreadsheet>

AdoraBell Sat 02-Feb-13 15:46:11

Claimed my OH has been away on business for two fucking weeks, he's going to be busy tomorrow as it was his idea to buy two more Bastard Puppies in addition to the 2 wonderful Bastard Dogs we already hadgrin.

ClaimedByMe Sat 02-Feb-13 15:56:15

My OH is contemplating a 3 week on 3 week off job in Shetland, leaving me with BD, 2 dc, 3 cats and 3 guinea pigs he will not be resting on those 3 weeks off!!

BD has just outdone herself with a BBL (bastard black lab) it was running off lead on the grassy area infront of our house playing fetch when dp came back from walkies with BD BBL came over to sniff BD's backside but being an anti social BD she sat down, BBL was not doing recall when being called, DP had BD by the lead and BBL by the collar until BBL owner came and get it, she was apologising, when BBL was being dragged away BD then tried to bite its back leg, we have had issues in the past with this BBL, BD does not like him!

gymmummy64 Sat 02-Feb-13 16:08:07

Today for the first time ever my BD was better behaved than another BD, I was so proud of him grin Pride in my canine is quite a new experience for me! The other BD was lunging, barking, snapping and we walked past without any reaction eating sausage. Amazing. I thought I could even detect a slight look of superiority on BD's face wink

We are clearly lined up for a major fall next week..

Imsosorryalan Sat 02-Feb-13 16:14:50

Please let me in, my dog is defiantly very bastardly!

Bd breed- a mix of all sorts of Romanian dogs
Age- 7 'Kevin' months
Bd behaviour- you name it. Dog aggressive, people aggressive, fear aggressive of men in particular, hates car journeys, hates walks near any traffic, barks and growls and snaps at visitors in our house.
Bd training - sessions with behaviourist, currently dealing with visitors in house by crating with treat and saying NO firmly when growling and barking.

Just started bronze puppy training ( in hope of some doggy socialisation) < but really to show other puppy owners how lucky they are>

Forgot to mention terrible recall, counter surfing and eating kids toys and my very expensive boots whenever she gets the chance...

magnolia74 Sat 02-Feb-13 16:17:36

I'm joining!!

BD Breed: springer x staffie
BD Age: 9 (I have no idea how she has got to this age!!!)
BD Behaviour: hates every single dog on the planet, fear aggressive although has never bitten. Can't see a dog even miles away (not literally!) without having a horrendous reaction. Pees on the floor if dh shouts, or if anyone she doesn't know tries to say hello, or if we are too nice to her hmm
Anything that is within reach in the kitchen is hers to take to bed and destroy!!
Empties every bin in the house
Pretends to like the cat then snaps...... Poor stupid cat
BD Training: nothing works so we are after dark walkers only sad

Oh gym, you know it <experience talking>

Cuebill Sat 02-Feb-13 16:31:48

Ok I must be having a humour bypass but ALL of these issues can be resolved with time patience and correct training. <rather than stealth boasting as to who has the worst dog>

Contact APDT trainers in you areas and all these behaviours can be changed

<hides thread and de registers>

Um, I think most of us are working on the issues, Cue. But when you're the one on the park with a reactive dog and everyone else's dog seem to be perfect, it can be ever so isolating and miserable. Every training set back and confrontation with other dog owners can leave you shaken and upset. I started this thread to offer some light hearted support for those of us who love our dogs and want to improve their behaviour, but sometimes feel a bit overwhelmed. I don't think anyone is 'boasting' at all. I'm certainly not. It makes me feel better to know that I'm not alone, that every other owner of a BD has these set backs and frustrations and bad days. Yes, behaviours can change, but it takes time and there are many, many bumps in the road. I am personally glad to have company.

ClaimedByMe Sat 02-Feb-13 16:54:10

Cuebill 25 feckin quid an hour we pay for the behavourist to come and help us with our dog, not only am I skint I am also heartbroken that the shitty life she had before means she will probably never run free in the park with other dogs, she will never sniff a another dogs bum to say hello, she will never be a normal dog.

Chickens is right, it is miserable and isolating, its one step forward and about 10 back most days, I love her she looks at me with so much love yet fear in her eyes that she will be left and mistreated again, we are trying our best with her but sometimes its a case of 'if you don't laugh you will cry'

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

BookieMonster Sat 02-Feb-13 17:05:01

Ahem...
My Bastard Dog is a black lab!!
Age: 3
Behaviour: extremely dog reactive on leads. Lunging, snarling and snapping. Loads better off lead, except with small yippy dogs and especially spaniels.
Training: lots of socialization (she loves MonsterDog1 - another black lab who is as soft as anything).
She is a failed guide dog hmm but she is the most wonderful family pet. She would do anything for us, adores people and gives the best cuddles.

Floralnomad Sat 02-Feb-13 17:07:58

Cuebill, yes you have had a humour bypass. FWIW my son has always called our dog 'bastard hound' and I think the dog probably thinks that is one of his many names ( he has 3 proper names) . Nobody is 'stealth boasting' about having the worst dog we are simply sharing the daily existence of living with a partially trained dog with issues . And as chickens said most of us are working on those issues . As it is my dog is perfectly well behaved as long as everyone else's dog leaves him alone.

Can I ask fellow BD owners; was your dog attacked by another dog at a young age? Jasper was attacked on lead at 14 weeks by an escapee terrier. That dog wasn't playing, and Jas had puncture wounds (as did I).

I think me and Floral have the same dog. It's maybe a time share situation <suspiciously looks at BD snoring on the sofa>

Floralnomad Sat 02-Feb-13 17:10:56

We didn't get ours from Battersea till he was 15/16 weeks so god knows what he'd been up to before that , although he is docked so probably not the best start in life. It's amazing really that he has as few issues as he does .

Floralnomad Sat 02-Feb-13 17:13:03

We really should get them together chickens , they'd probably get on !

Yeah, Jas is docked. He came with docking papers, too, but he was sold to a pet home which I thought was illegal. His little stubby tail makes me a bit sad, especially when I see spaniels with their long swoopy tails.

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

ClaimedByMe Sat 02-Feb-13 17:18:27

We don't know much about BD's past, we know she was used for breeding her under carriage is a mess, due to her attitude it has been mentioned that a 'rape cage' was used, it is thought she wasnt socialised, she was found starved, straying and covered in ciggarette burns and has a large scar on her leg that was left to heal its self. It took the rescue 9 months to get her well enough to rehome.

She did get attacked a few weeks before we got her, she was ambushed buy about 6 little dogs, the fosterers told us the owner of the little dogs encourraged her dogs to go to BD then caused a scene saying BD was attacking her little dogs but BD was hurt.

My God. Claimed sad That is horrific. Your poor girl x

Floralnomad Sat 02-Feb-13 17:19:49

Mines tail is about 5/6 inches and it actually looks lovely ,I think he'd look a bit ridiculous with a tail but I suppose its what you get used to .

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

ClaimedByMe Sat 02-Feb-13 17:25:28

I have just added a couple of pics of her to my profile, she is the most sweetest, lovely staffy you will ever meet in the house, its when shes taken outdoors she turns into BD.

Aw, bless her. Some people are such bastards angry

Jas is also a model canine in the house, and tbf most of the time out of it. Like Floral's BD, he just hates being bothered by other dogs. He just wants to run around and rummage under hedges, he does not want to play with other dogs. I don't think he ever will, tbh, and neither does the behaviourist, but we hope to get him to a stage where he can tolerate other dogs without feeling the need to go on the defensive.

TaggieCampbellBlack Sat 02-Feb-13 17:38:48

BsausageD is untrainable. A bit like DD2.
Non-BD is very well behaved. Like DD1.

I have no idea why they are so different. The dogs and the DDs. You'd expect that living in the same house, same rules, same training and treatment would make for similar dogs and kids. Proof that nature is stronger than nurture.

Bd breed - GSd
Bd behaviour - hates,loathes, cannot be in same county as black or brown labs. Thrashes around at end of lead like ten stone of Tasmanian devil, whilst trying to scrape halti off. We have fields which are very very wet at the moment, but have footpath running down other side of fence. If bd sees anyone, with dog or without, he is away, running up and down fence line, barking and snarling and generally being utterly foul, in two feet of mud, which then gets wiped off on my carpets.

He is rescue dog, and just over two. We have had him for seven months. In the house he is my shadow, out in the field he is utterly selectively deaf, and will not make eye contact when he knows I want him to come back.

The shame of being the owner of a bd is high. I was so smug about my dog training ability, now I'm abused by harassed walkers, and the worst thing is that they're right. If I could get to the fence line before he did I might have a chance of dissuading him, but all I can do is run after him, Fenton-like, shouting his name and apologising.

I hate bd when he does this- every day.

He sleeps with his head on my feet - I love bd.

gymmummy64 Sat 02-Feb-13 17:44:57

Aww Claimed she's adorable, what an horrific history.

Cuebill if you are still reading, I think the large number of contributors to this thread is actually a really positive thing and I would imagine the vast majority, if not all of us, are addressing the issues we describe. Many of us would (and do, on many other threads) describe our children in very similar tongue-in-cheek terms. It is not indicative of lack of love, respect, boundaries, care, taking advice or training. It's just as Chickens so feelingly put it, venting.

You have helped me enormously on this forum, your advice has always been spot on and I have acted on it each time and it's working. I know I'm not the only one who feels that way. I wouldn't want you to think this thread suggests otherwise.

Only on page 1 of this thread, but have to admit to 2 bastard dogs today, because they ate my expensive headset this morning sad I blame the cat - headset was out of the way on a table - cat pushed it off, dogs chewed it. The same thing happened to my DH's fresh packet of ciggies, but am giggling at that...

I have 2 bastard dogs and 3 bastard cats, and I love them all dearly smile

digerd Sat 02-Feb-13 18:00:46

Taggie
My experience too, dogs and people. Depending on their genes, some can be more influenced than others with nurture, so we keep on trying and hoping.

3littlewomen Sat 02-Feb-13 19:50:34

BD breed - 1/2 corgi 1/2 cairn terrier (fully stubborn little bitch).
BD age - 3ish
BD issues - small things that move! Obsessed, be they toys, chicks, kitten etc. she falls totally and utterly in love and our poor geriatric boxer dog is not allowed to look at item of affection or she gets viciously attacked.

Used to happen every 6 or so months but we can now predict possible areas of conflict and remove boxer from room.

Terrier also has real issues with other dogs near HER car - she spends lots of time in car by her choice, school runs etc. Other dogs are not allowed within a 100m radius of our car as it moves

ballybee Sat 02-Feb-13 20:24:08

BD breed: Rhodesian ridgeback X Rotty/lab
BD age: 3 in June
BD behaviour: spoilt brat, whines if he doesn't get what he wants, selective hearing, recall is a hit or miss depending on how nice we've been to him, he can be dog reactive(no signs or pattern, he can be fine one day then hate dogs the next), is terrible in public but really nice in quiet areas...the list goes on and on
BD training attempts: Daily training session, regular socialising walks in public/busy doggy areas.
Frequency of BD incidents: most days!!! But he's getting much better smile

permaquandry Sat 02-Feb-13 20:36:43

The jury is out as only 6 mths (nearly) but seems to be heading for bpuppy status:

Breed: mini schnauzer <waves to bergedorf, no better yet then?>
Age: 6 mths
Issues: hmmm......barks at doorbell, all humans/dogs, noises and me to get attention. Jumps up continually. Bites continually, ripped hole in best jumper. Eats mud from plants. Nips the kids (playfully only) and tries to eat their hair (?). Spends walks with teeth and arms (front legs, obvs), wrapped round boots. Pulls on lead. Wees from time to time in house, even though just come in from garden. Never comes back when called. Smells and is scruffy.

I know this can all be trained out of her and I think prays whilst crying into the kibble that she's improving with perseverance but, my gosh, does she drive me crackers.

DISCLAIMER - I love that little ball of fluff with all my heart and she makes me laugh all day long.

foolonthehill Sat 02-Feb-13 21:51:14

am beginning to feel I don't belong...so many many more challenging stories than those I have collected yet...and so much hope and lurve!

Can I just say in the words of my 11 year ols DD...you are soooooo awwwesome!

Er - my BD has absolutely no fecking excuse for his behaviour - he is not a rescue, has been in a loving home since the age of 8 weeks, been to puppy training, socialised etc - happily played with other dogs as a youngster, even had small terrier types hanging on to the claggie bits in his ears as he ran, without reacting, but yes, he was floored and turned over by a boxer for knicking his toy, wound up by a boxer on his regular walk, and then one day a black lab knicked his BALL and from then on it has been dog on dog aggression. Just recently I feel that he has displayed some fear in dog greeting situations, but now when meeting Geese. BastardDog

bergedorf Sun 03-Feb-13 09:04:53

It is really good to know I'm not alone in having a reactive dog. At the moment she can hear the children playing upstairs and she's at the bottom barking her head off. They're not even playing Loudly - just chatting and laughing - but this is enough to put her on guard.

Behaviourist says this is anxiety which is why we have to keep everything so calm (no visitors and children not allowed to run from one room to another etc).
But seriously, I can't ban them from talking or laughing.

We've been told to just completely ignore it, so I'm here typing away with jaw set, staring straight ahead, wondering when this will ever stop.

On the upside she's Fine outside, so have already taken her on long walk. Just one bark at a jogger and a few yappity yaps at a paper boy. Not too bad for her. Though.. to be honest.. they Were the only people we saw at 7am this morning..!

<PS thanks Chickens for the hugs - and yes she is still doing puppy training, and we are seeing an APBC behaviourist, hence all the instructions! And also a wave back to PermaQuandry! Hope you're dog improves too. >

Allfurcoatandnoknickers Sun 03-Feb-13 09:21:02

This thread has made me inexplicably happy (recognition) and sad (poor pooches).
My BD is 6yo male terrier cross who had approx 5 homes before he came to us at 2yo. He is reactive, neurotic, hates males that are unneutered, barks at anything and everything,pees by the door when we leave him, has killed two sheep, has no recall at all if he smells something interesting and we still love him- how?

digerd Sun 03-Feb-13 10:01:47

One of my Westie females was very jealous, and attacked my other who had been friendly to all other dogs. That also, affected her, and after that she went aggressive at all other strange dogs. But it passed after finding a new loving home for the jealous one who wanted to be an only pampered pooch. She had also attacked my Lhasa Apso who was non-aggressive to all and sundry, but it didn't affect her- she was sooo laid back and remained unphased by it.

We are going to meet a new home boarder soon. She has dogs of her own, but has a large kennel/run in her garden so can manage introductions at Jas's pace. I really hope it works out <chews nails>

Killed two sheep shock

How did he manage that without being shot?

My BD has managed two canada geese, a swoose and a duck so far.

foolonthehill Sun 03-Feb-13 14:37:47

what's a swoose?...sounds very exotic!!!!

Allfurcoatandnoknickers Sun 03-Feb-13 16:13:30

Sadly, he managed to get into a field of sheep and, trust me, it doesn't take much to scare/hurt a sheep. They evidently go into a state of shock. The farmer found him, and in the circumstances he was extremely understanding. Apparently, they are only allowed to shoot the dog on the spot, and thankfully he was spared. Spoke to the farmer later in the day and the two sheep had to be put to sleep. Horrible and upsetting for everyone, I NEVER walk near livestock now.

ClaimedByMe Sun 03-Feb-13 16:34:02

After yesterdays attempt to amputate a dogs leg with her teeth BD has been on her best behaviour today, I feel very unsettled when she behaves.

Cuebill, you're right - you have had a SOH bypass. hmm
Like pretty much everyone else on this thread, I adore my BD, and am working on his problems - we are using BAT, and I take our other dogs to training every week. God knows, I've defended positive training and the many benefits of rescue on here umpteen times. Also, like everyone else, training is a long hard road, especially with dogs who have difficult pasts and ongoing health issues. No stealth boasting here - just sharing. Having a reactive dog is very isolating and wearing - knowing others are in the same boat is reassuring and helpful.

Well, the boarder didn't work out. I just didn't get a good vibe. Thankfully, DH insisted that we look at a recommended boarding kennels on the way home and it is perfect. The lady who runs it showed us around and reassured me that there is a kennel block which looks out over fields, and that Jas would find it much quieter and less stressful.The place was spotless and all the dogs looked happy and relaxed. She has working cockers herself and was more than happy to deal with my ball obsessed nutjob on two walks a day. Phew.

NotMostPeople Sun 03-Feb-13 17:39:16

Well I only confessed to one BD because my youngest dog is perhaps a bit young to get the title but she is a pain (13 months). She hasn't been trained as well as she should have because of BD obviously I shouldn't have taken on a second dog so quickly but BD wasn't a B then. Anyhow here I am and I've got to tackle them both. Today DH and I decided to keep them both on the lead and I showed him how to train Dog to walk to heal we had the most relaxing walk ever. BD only growled and one of the four dogs we passed and little dog walked to heal with DH beautifully.

So I've decided that for the short term I'm going to keep them both on the lead and walk them separately. It'll be a pain because Monday to Friday I do all the walks so I think I'm going to have to do two walks each morning and possibly the same again in the evening. I'm hoping that if I can at least get them walking to heal well separately I can then work up to doing it together. At the moment walking them on lead together is a nightmare.

MagratGarlik Sun 03-Feb-13 19:45:44

My BD is very well-behaved when he meets calm dogs who, if he is on- lead are also on-lead. He is reactive if he is approached by of-lead dogs when he is in-lead, particularly if they are very full-on breeds such as labs.

We were recently walking with both dogs on-lead and three off-lead dogs came running over from the other side of the park. Whippy (BD) barked at them and lurcher girl (placid dog) panicked, slipped her collar and ran. We were very lucky to get her back. The owner if the three off-lead dogs blamed us because he "walks all the time in this park and I've never seen you before" hmm.

MagratGarlik Sun 03-Feb-13 19:46:47

Sorry, the typing in that last post was shocking. I blame my phone.

digerd Sun 03-Feb-13 20:04:58

The rules are that if you have dogs off the lead and you see someone you do not know, you recall your dogs and leash them. That man was just showing his ignorance, inconsideration, and lack of common sense.

TaggieCampbellBlack Sun 03-Feb-13 20:10:39

Non-BD collie has always been barky. Not agressive, just talkative and to let us know something or someone is coming in.

Much much much less barky since going deaf grin.

Taggie - that's what ddog2 is like, but I am finding it really difficult to cope with, as are ds2 and ds3. I have tried praising and rewarding when she stops barking, and holding her attention with a treat so she carries on not barking even though the stimulus is still there, iyswim.

Is there anything else I can do to train her out of the excessive barking?

A Swoose is a Swan crossed with a goose. (I am sure crossed is the right word confused.

You were very lucky not having your dog shot furcoat - round here they shoot on sight if a dog is in with sheep, no questions asked.

gymmummy64 Sun 03-Feb-13 23:21:09

BBBBBBdog tonight. Not with other dogs, but bastardly all the same. We've been on a roll, gymdog and I. Since xmas, a new, deep, genuine level of understanding. He trusts me to look after him around other dogs, he knows I am the centre of his world, we are connected, woman and dog. It's how it's meant to be.

So tonight, rather than take him into our small garden on the lead to do his final wee as I would normally do, I decided spontaneously we would venture forth woman and dog in mutual trust and understanding without a lead. Everything would be fine as such is our level of connection I am now practically a dog whisperer...

I had barely got to the bottom of the step outside the back door when I heard him shoot off and leg it over the fence at the bottom of the garden. HOW?? WHY?? It's weeks and weeks since he's done anything but go a few meters on a lead into the garden. He's been nowhere near that fence since probably November.

WHY when I start to trust him does he make me feel like he;s just been waiting for me to slip up so he can be a 'real' dog again??

it's 11.20, I'm in bed, he's still missing. Bastard.

Hope Cuebill isn't reading this...

Missing shock

(I couldn't go to bed).

Floralnomad Sun 03-Feb-13 23:40:15

I'd be out with a search party , where are you and we can get some volunteers!

gymmummy64 Sun 03-Feb-13 23:41:01

Not much choice Exit, we've been here before <weeps>. I'm in bed, but not about to sleep. 2 hours is his usual absconding time. Back door is open and I'm going down every 15 mins or so. He's in the allotments behind the house doing goodness knows what, but I know he wont come back until he's ready. I'll still keep going out and calling him though <bitter>

gymmummy64 Sun 03-Feb-13 23:48:17

I didn't mean to sound so complacent. I'm really not, but the allotments are relatively safe I think (well, for him, not the allotment owners). He's done this several times before (every time I think we're making progress with recall in fact) which is how I know 2 hours is the usual timeframe. It's his third time in the allotments and they are better than some of his other escape locations.

From what I understand of his past, he had free reign of large amounts of fields in Ireland. He's trying very hard I think but it's a big change from that to a long lead in West London sad

Floralnomad Sun 03-Feb-13 23:57:39

Hope he comes home soon .

Not so much a bd dog but whippet/ corgi age nearly 7 doesnt do rain snow wind and and everything inbetween hates the dark so walks are in the day time does have brill recall however does sometimes runs away when she sees another dog turns round to stare at u while you doing you best to get her back and then you made to look like a crap owner. Needy. Barks when door is knocked not a massive problem but we live now above shops and people radomly knock the door as they go past. When vistors come in becomes more needy and makes out we dont give her cuddles. Follows me everywhere even to the loo. However is she a fab doggywoo and i think she misses our cat who would lay under her and demand a bath

Oh and she doesnt do puddles ever it has been known for me to pick her up across a large puddle that spanned the pavement so we could get home

gymmummy64 Mon 04-Feb-13 00:28:22

He's back. Been gone just under 2 hours. I feel so deflated, I really didn't think he'd do this again, but I guess that's me reading it wrongly. Yet again.

MagratGarlik Mon 04-Feb-13 07:27:42

Stars, the no puddles and needy sounds like a whippet thing. Whippets are known as Velcro dogs because they follow you everywhere! Most don't do weather, or wet of any kind.

TaggieCampbellBlack Mon 04-Feb-13 07:44:55

Bad GymDog.
Although at least he knows where he lives and comes back on his own. That is a Good Thing surely.

digerd Mon 04-Feb-13 09:20:16

I've had my sweet and cute 2 year-old 4 weeks now. She is driving me crazy with her refusal to wee or poo in the dark, where there are street lamps.
She only does her wee on the banks of the canal and after dark I cannot go there. Have even taken her 3 times during the day, and although lots of wees - no poo. Her preferred time and place is in the night in the kitchen on newspaper. 2 mornings running she has weed as well in the kitchen on newspaper < frustrated face.>And she has been pooing only in 3 day intervals. Could be worse.

A good result on this morning's walk. A bouncy, beautiful Golden Retriever appeared out of nowhere and started lolloping towards us. Jas stopped, and I got his attention and we started moving away. The Goldie really wanted to say hello and ran up, which unnerved Jas but he didn't go apeshit. He circled away, while looking at me, and I praised like crazy thus: 'Good boy! EXCUSE ME! Well done! MY DOG ISN'T FRIENDLY! So good, Jas! Yes! THANK YOU!'. The other owner was wonderful, called the Goldie back straight away and it ambled off wagging its tail. I yelled another thank you and he waved.

Now that's the kind of interaction I want every time. He gave 'sod off' body language and the other dog paid attention. I asked the other owner to give us some space and he did so no question. It's bloody lovely when that happens.

digerd Mon 04-Feb-13 10:08:37

Wonderful. If only all dog owners could be like him.

Oh Magrat thanks i didnt know that shes a resucse dog so thought it might be due to that though she has no problem getting in sea grin hates having a bath here but is well behaved when she goes for a pamper session where she is washed blow dried and gets her nails done smile

ClaimedByMe Mon 04-Feb-13 20:23:18

BD has had a pretty good day, probably because she hasnt seen any other dogs her only downfall today was BChild 1 rattling the cat flap which turns BD loopy so we spent a while trying to calm her down, BChild 2 has just been scratched in the eye by BCat, BCat is 99.9% feral everyone knows not to approach her but he clearly thought better of it, BChild is nearly 8 and we had the Bcat before he was born, he knows not to go near her!

foolonthehill Tue 05-Feb-13 09:49:00

preen preen (pride comes before a fall) today we ignored all dogs and spanielled about happily doing our thing, until the end of the walk when we very bravely said the briefest of hellos to a ...black dog!!!!!!!!!!!with an owner who read the signs and allowed us to move off quickly.

I am soooo happy#
remind me of this when Foolishdog tries to eat the next furry that crosses our path!

Ah, fool, I am glad. One good walk can really get you through the bad times. Well done that BD grin

I think Cuebill has genuinely gone. I pm'd her a few days ago, to ask her not to leave over this, and to try to explain, as others have done on here, that the black humour of this thread isn't stealth boasting, but the relief of finding others in the same boat - but she hasn't answered.

Maybe she is ignoring my pm, or has taken a few days off - but maybe she really has deregistered.

BrianCoxandTheTempleofDOOM Tue 05-Feb-13 12:53:52

she did reply to me on a separate DH thread last Saturday.

Maybe she just hasn't been around much.

Maybe, Brian. I hope she hasn't deregistered because of this.

Christ, me too. I didn't mean to cause any offence. Have I misread the tone here? I was genuinely looking for a place to offload some of the angst.

I don't think you have misread the tone at all, Chickens - I think Cuebill did.

I'm re-reading, and I honestly can't see anything but people making honest assessments of their dogs, and loving them regardless. We've even had a few breakthroughs. I feel quite shit about this now. Cuebill has helped me with Jas on a few occassions. I didn't intend to piss her off.

Baffledandbewildered Tue 05-Feb-13 13:40:01

Can I join I seem to have a couple of bastard dogs !!
Bd 1 Gordon setter
Age 1 year
Problem. She's a barker and a jumper, loves sleeping on my range oven !! Sits on the work tops steals everything that is not locked in a cupboard as nothing is out of her reach sad cannot be contained as you've guessed it she jumps all gates. Her mother dogs jousts looks on blaming the father !!!!

Good points she's VERY happy shows like a dream and gets on with everyone smile

Baffledandbewildered Tue 05-Feb-13 13:46:33

Oh sorry
Bastard dog 2 Irish setter
Age 8 so old enough to know better!!
Problems unusual in her breed hates small children ! People with shopping trolleys people on bikes people wearing hoods small white dogs . She has learnt recall but now chooses to ignore me so has to stay on her lead when out as there spare so many things she hates!!! She guards our house by barking and throwing herself at the windows if people she has decided she doesn't like walk past our house.oh and she is a food thief . Finally she is so strong willed she stopped showing by laying down and refusing to move lol !! She's very clever smile

Plus points very pretty loves her family great with the cats wonderful shes a mummy dog she's very clean bless her.

pinkbraces Tue 05-Feb-13 16:18:01

oooh can I join in.

BD:3, Black Labradoodle
She loves people soooo much, look at me she shouts, let me jump all over you. Oh you have a dog, I dont like other dogs and she lets them know it quite vocally.
She is ball mad and if another dog is in her vicinity she guards her ball like they are the crown jewels, and if another dog even sniffs her ball, lets just say she isnt happy.

On the other hand she is the happiest, most gorgeous, lovable dog in the world, everyone loves her, and some of the old dears make a special beeline for her with biscuits smile

spudballoo Tue 05-Feb-13 19:45:23

Oh dear I do hope Cuebill hasn't gone? What a terrible shame if so as I really appreciated her measured approach and advice, though I am a terrible lurker.

I don't think anyone on this thread is stealth boasting or enjoying their 'one upmanship' as an owner of a bastard dog. I'm sure all of us would do anything to transform our BDs in to Dream Dogs, and that all of us are trying our best - otherwise why would we be hanging out in the doghouse? If we were hopeless owners our BDs would have long been given up and handed over to a rescue. We are a brave army of Dogged Owners of Bastard Dogs who will NOT be beaten by the BDs!

Mine is an 11 month old labradoodle. I think that covers it all really.

I just gave Jas a haircut. I'm not very good at it. He looks like a child's wonky drawing of a spaniel now. I'm ashamed of myself.

ClaimedByMe Wed 06-Feb-13 13:54:07

Aww poor Jas, you must post a pic of his new haircut so we can see!

A friend came over today with her 9 week old puppy and BD escaped out the livingroom into the kitchen where my sister was holding the puppy and BD ran up to the puppy tail wagging and sniffed it, she feckin sniffed the puppy and was tail wagging, almost normal doggy behaviour the strange thing was when I put her gen-con on her so she couldn't lunge for the puppy she turned aggressive, all very very odd!

Floralnomad Wed 06-Feb-13 14:21:41

You are brave chickens , I've always clipped our horses but there's no way I'd have a go at the dog he goes to the hairdressers for his cut ,wash and blow dry .

I only had a go because he was getting a bit scruffy and tracking more mud in to the house than strictly necessary.

My poor, lopsided hound sad

Walking back from the school run today, I spotted a chap walking a staffy towards us. So, I crossed the road to keep Jas below threshold. The poor bloke's face dropped, and I felt lousy for him, so shouted across 'It's not your dog! It's mine! He doesn't like other dogs and we're training!' He cheered up considerably and shouted back 'Oh! Yes! Mine can be a bit grumpy, too. Sometimes he's fine, and sometimes he hates other dogs on sight.' So there we were, two BD owners yelling across the street at each other while our dogs pretended not to see each other. It was on the tip of my tongue to say 'Ah, he's a bastard dog!', but thought that might have been a bit forward.

PointyDogs Fri 08-Feb-13 00:15:08

Can we join please?

BD1 breed: Border Collie
BD1 Age: 5 years
BD1 Behaviour: absolutely loves all dogs smaller than him, especially spanielly types. Absolutely hates/scared of/intimidated by dogs bigger than him, and will have a go if they get too close. Has bitten badly, resulting in being muzzled for 12 months while I figured out his triggers. Trigger = bigger than him... sad

Plus points: Great recall. Typical collie, totally ball focussed, could safely walk him through a pack of great danes by dangling a ball in front of him, so long as they didn't get in his face too much. He does try to ignore them bless him, but it is the stupid labradors dogs who think everyone is their best mate and won't leave him alone that get to him!

BD2 breed: whippet lurcher
BD2 Age: 10 years
BD2 Behaviour: fantastic with people, dogs, our own cats (others are fair game), but obsessed with comfort. Goes through phases (currently on week 2 of this one) when he will wake us up at midnight barking and whining because BD1 is in the comfy bed (both dog beds are identical) and won't make room for him. We shift them around only to be woken again at 3am because he's decided that actually he wants the OTHER bed after all, and BD1 still won't move over...repeat ad nauseum. We have a 7 month old baby who lets us have more sleep than the lurcher!!

tedsmam Mon 11-Feb-13 15:10:26

me too please....

Ted. Labrador. Angelic in every way. 5 years old. Loves people, dogs, cats, helping the poor and sick etc.
Percy. Labrador. Angelic loving sweet tempered and laid back boy. Til he goes out on walkies then become evil twat who barks, growls, and lunges at all other dogs, thus setting Ted off who barks like mad thing at nowt inparticular and therefore I look to all and sundry like I have two rabid killers on the end of a lead.
No amount of treats, distractions etc helps.

The shame.

Toomuchtea Mon 11-Feb-13 18:02:27

Can I join too please? There are a lot of us. I feel your pain, tedsmam.

BD breed: Yellow lab
Age: nearly 8
BD Behaviour: thinks all dogs on leads are out to get her (after unfortunate incident with 2 airedales who were) so now likes to get in there first.
BD frequency: at the mo, almost never as we live in a village and have made a point of introducing dog to all local dogs we meet about and so she knows them and is ok. HOWEVER, we are about to move to a town where there will be billions of dogs, all on leads.
BD training: avoiding, distraction. Distraction doesn't work if we turn a corner and there one is, so place self between dog and other dog and walk on rapidly.

Plus points: Brilliant at recall. Always comes back. Loves all humanity. Comforter of teenagers. Gets on pretty well with cat, though all others are fair game.

BangersAndMashh Thu 14-Feb-13 09:24:09

Hi can I join please smile

BD breed: Chocolate labrador
BD age: 2 years
BD behaviour: Eats shit - any shit - her shit, cat shit, sheep shit, your dog's shit... Will lick a visitors face after eating shit, Humps unsuspecting children, barks at any noise in the house, eats shoes
BD training attempts: Reward based
Frequency of BD incidents: Daily!!

BangersAndMashh Thu 14-Feb-13 09:43:13

Oh and will throw herself on her back screaming (literally screaming) if any dog runs at her - even if they don't touch her. Then the poor owner thinks their dog has viciously attacked my wet leg of a lab and I have to explain no, I just own an idiot smile

BangersAndMashh Thu 14-Feb-13 09:54:27

Oh and will throw herself on her back screaming (literally screaming) if any dog runs at her - even if they don't touch her. Then the poor owner thinks their dog has viciously attacked my wet leg of a lab and I have to explain no, I just own an idiot smile

Welcome, all newcomers grin

My BD is being very good this week, and even played nicely with some known dogs. UNfortunately, he got bounced on by a lab last week and got a bit gobby. The lab didn't seem to mind, and kept coming back for more. I had to actually juggle two squeaky tennis balls to get his attention so that we could make our escape. I'm like some frantic circus act now, using a sing song voice, lobbing gravy bones and also proviiding amusement for the general dog walking populus.

BangersAndMashh Thu 14-Feb-13 10:45:05

Oh dear, sounds like labs are a bit of a pain to you poor lot hangs head in shame. Mine only wants to jump up at the BD's owner tbh, she just lies on her back and sqeals at dogs! (Unless she knows the dog well then she wants to play!)

Stupid postman left the gate open again this morning, and NuttyDog took it upon herself to make a great escape out the gate and down the hill after next door's cat! Nearly caused about 4 car accidents, brilliant...

TeaAndToast92 Thu 14-Feb-13 11:48:46

Hi, could I join too?

BD breed - Labrador (Choc)
BD age - Just turned 2
BD behaviour - Chases joggers, gets aggressive towards dogs that bound up to her (she's been attacked by other dogs lots, the poor thing), jumps up at strangers with muddy paws, howls when left in the out building, is a persistent hand and wrist nibbler - at 2 you would think she would have out grown this, eats poo (even her own - ewwww)

Plus points - Very affectionate, good at cheering you up, never jumps up at my belly (I'm pregnant - I'm sure she can sense it!), brilliant with kids, house trained, great recall (unless distracted by another dog/person/jogger/duck/breeze.... grin), very good at "tricks" (sit, stay, leave it, beg, roll over etc).

From what I have been told, TeaAndToast, labs grow up more slowly than other dogs, so at 2, she is still a baby really. Poor her having been attacked by other dogs, though. sad I wish you lived near us - we have a choc lab too, who is soft as butter, and submissive too, and maybe they could have met eachother and helped yours get over her understandable fears.

The poo eating never stops, though.

Tea, the reactive fear aggression is a right pig, isn't it? We are having some success using BAT, and in fact my dog managed to completely ignore a curious collie pup this morning even when it sniffed his bum! shock It's hard work, and there are definitely set backs, but it is worth it smile

Toomuchtea Thu 14-Feb-13 12:49:29

What is BAT? We are moving on Monday and poor dog will face a whole new canine society so anything I can fit into my armoury before then will be very welcome.

gymmummy64 Thu 14-Feb-13 12:52:28

Chickens did you look at the link that Beamur posted the other day? here I think, never done a link before Sounds like there's a fair few of us on this thread alone that might benefit from a yellow ribbon...

Here's a link which explains a bit about it. I found that I saw results quite quickly, but you have to take it slowly and build up in tiny increments.

I saw that, gym. It would be great if it took off. I've seen some staffies around here wearing bright collars with 'FRIENDLY' written on them, which I thought was nice, too.

gymmummy64 Thu 14-Feb-13 13:05:20

Though I have to say that if Gymdog continues as he's done over the last week we might have to resign our BD membership <laughs hysterically>. Since his late night trip to the allotments last week he's been an absolute paragon. Personal bests over the last week:
- 35 minutes off lead without scarpering, an all-time record!!
- six dogs in the same field whilst offlead, all ignored and perfect recall if he even looked in their direction (ok, we were in the middle of the field and they were in the distance but even so)
- encounter with very lively boundy puppy this morning who bowed and rolled and yipped and yapped and was utterly and completely IGNORED by Gymdog who is definitely developing a new holier-than-thou look. Fine by me - I'll have holy over barky and snappy any day grin

TeaAndToast92 Thu 14-Feb-13 13:15:20

BAT looks interesting, thanks for that! Going to have a good look through some sites and hopefully get started ASAP with that smile

Anyone know anything about Shar Pei's? A 'friend' has just got one off Gum Tree and is having a few problems with it.

(I know, I know ...)

I know a chap with two shar pei's. He can't let them off lead and they both have to be walked in muzzles. They loathe other dogs and are very dog aggressive. Soft as butter with people, though. I think they were bred as fighting dogs originally. They also suffer with a lot of skin problems.

Shar Pei's have lots of issues. V common for their hair/fur to trigger allergies, skin and eye complaints endemic, ear problems too. Poor dog is prob in pain/itching - need huge amounts of specialist care, bathing each day etc to ensure no problems with skin folds etc. Have heard various problems with them temperament wise. Personally I would steer clear (though obviously a bit late now for your "friend") sad

Well, as you know, we have a reactive BD who is an elderly greyhound and we are doing BAT with him. I've been seeing a lot about the Yellow Dog project and must admit I was initially very sceptical, but have decided to give it a go. So as from this weekend our lovely BD will be wearing a bright yellow bandana and I will see if this has any impact on how people behave around him or how they manage their dogs. Should be interesting. I will report back. Anyone else wearing a yellow ribbon/bandana?
The biggest problem we find with BAT is not so much other dogs on leads, but the offlead dogs whose owners are half a mile away (usually on the bloddy phone angry) completely oblivious to their darling dog while I'm trying to gently steer mine away, with gritted teeth. And then if they do see you they just smile and say "Oh, he only wants to play" - aaaarghhh...... And breathe...

Yep, Scuttle. Those situations are 50/50 as to whether my dog will react. If he does, I try not to see it as a failure on my part. Always feel a bit crestfallen, though. Especially if we've been making good progress.

I'm intrigued by the yellow ribbon idea. Would be fabulous if it caught on.

Thanks Chickens and Scuttles - it is only 6 months old and was given up by its last owner as they wanted a baby. The whole thing stinks to me. It bit the trainer at puppy training shock and lives with two small boys.

I think I will have to have a chat.

Exit, that is not going to end well. sad

nevermindthecrocodiles Fri 15-Feb-13 22:46:55

Please can I join? Or am I too late to the party <panics>
BD Breed: supposedly a jack russell, but a bit of a 'Heinz 57" in reality.
BD Age: 20 months
BD Behaviour: hates all other canines and launches herself at any that pass - including mahoosive great dane- size dogs. Also, on the other hand, is completely completely in love with toddlers and babies and attempts to get into prams and pushchairs with them.....

We have been going to training classes but she is oblivious - she just gets into the trainers daughters pram and they snuggle together and ignore everything else! Frustrated yet adoring. She is essentially a toddler in a fur coat.

Gin please, make mine a double triple!

gymmummy64 Fri 15-Feb-13 22:50:46

Well I guess if all of us on here put a yellow something on their dog and then told everyone who asked what it was for... pyramid selling

Gymdog would look quite fetching in a yellow bandana I think.. <NO undue levity intended>.

So, with Scuttle's comments elsewhere tonight in mind as well, I think we might step up and be yellow!

gymmummy64 Fri 15-Feb-13 22:55:08

Aww never your dog sounds absolutely gorgeous challenging. Does she really try to get into strange kids' pushchairs? Stick with the BD club I reckon - AIBU would shred you!!

springlamb Fri 15-Feb-13 23:03:58

Can I join, only just found you.

BD Breed: Yorkshire/Lakeland terrier X
BD Age: 18 months
BD's Behaviour: Winds up Big Dog by pretending there are intruders; chews every toy to smithereens within 10 minutes; chews the corners of cushions; jumps crazily onto anybody whilst shouting 'DOG PILE' very yappily.

Big Dog is a lovely 8 yr old golden retriever who only barked once a week before Little Dog arrived. Now he is in a constant state of flux due to being called upon to Defend Territory which is a tough job when you're a coward.

Well my BD spent nearly an hour swimming across two reservoirs in pursuit of Canada Geese today. Eventually came out but then went the wrong way trying to find me - he followed the scent the wrong way hmm. He is now sleeping under my chair, doing that wimpy dreaming thing. He is very unsettled so I have pointed out to him that he is getting to old for this malarkey.

nevermindthecrocodiles Sat 16-Feb-13 08:46:51

gymnummy yes she really does! It's very embarrassing. Fortunately she loves & is very gentle with children. We live in a small village so all the mums know her now & are very chilled out (DCs love snuggling with her apparently!) I will never take her out in the town though, would be absolutely terrifying to have a strange dog leap at your child. I tend to carry her when we're around kids we don't know, or in the street etc.

foolonthehill Tue 26-Feb-13 09:46:00

<face...palm...hand....argh>

after weeks and weeks of being perfect dog I dared to walk foolish dog in the nearer but much doggier park today. (as have no time and this gives her a longer walk). Whilst explaining to a lovely lady who i have not seen for ages that "I don't walk with people" because Foolishdog is a BD "and I need to greet and move on"...she (FD) went for her (the friend's) JRT stood over him foot on chest etc. etc.

argh
I am SO stupid.....

that is all
as you were

Oh fool sad We've all had set backs. Honestly. I have had similar cock ups, and come home in tears. Was the other dog hurt? How was the owner with you?

gymmummy64 Tue 26-Feb-13 10:18:24

I relate totally fool smile

I have now trained DCs to chant phrases such as 'don't push it mum', 'the river didn't work last time', 'stick with what he knows' etc whenever I come up with a bright idea like a new park. Other non-dog related useful aide memoires include 'NO, NO, remember the last time you went to Ikea on a Saturday', 'Don't forget what happened the last time you tried DIY' etc

But as exDP so encouragingly remarked once, 'Gym, not all your ideas are bad'

envy

foolonthehill Tue 26-Feb-13 10:42:13

lots of noise and snarling..JRT not hurt and my BD was foolishly wink standing wagging away looking very happy and pleased with herself...much as she does when she brings me her teddy in the morning confused.

other owner was ok...but as this park is very close to DC school i know everyone and soo wanted not to have reputation as an owner with "that sort of dog" especially as she is an angel with children.....

FD is just not quite BD enough...she behaves perfectly for ages and ages and then unexpectedly turns Bastard...for no apparent reason...unless JRT was being rude in dog......!

Did I mention that my BastardDog had caught a Canada Goose the other week? Well, the body has been lying in a distant field for some time now (clearly not many foxes round here) and he only retrieved the effing thing yesterday! I had revisted the same walk for the first time and he suddenly shot under the fence and disappeared, only to return with the sodding thing - I presume the cold weather has kept it from decomposing. There was a bit of audience on the canal towpath so I was shouting "Leave it boy, it has been there for weeks hasn't it" so that people didn't think he had just caught it. He struggled to get it under the fence so he jumped the barbed wire and then dragged it under shock. I had to put him on the lead and march him smartly away. So apologies to anyone who comes across the corpse of a Canada Goose on a footpath blush

And the shar pei I mentioned - the family decided to get rid of it so I suggested they find a rescue, which she did, but he put it back on Gum Tree sad Poor bloody dog.

There would have been a reason, fool, but it isn't always apparent. My BD is exactly the same. Lots of 'Raaaaaaah!' and chasing but thankfully no actual damage. The sudden BD behaviour is such a kick in the teeth when they've been doing well, but try not to get disheartened. Work out what went wrong, and learn from it.

Exit, I love your BD's determination. He really, really wants you to have that goose grin

foolonthehill Tue 26-Feb-13 12:07:08

Poor shar pei.

sad Disaster, Exit.

gymmummy64 Tue 26-Feb-13 12:24:35

Exit could I delicately enquire how the goose actually met its, er, death? My BD has not yet met geese (never will if I have anything to do with it) but it would be good to know how bad it might get. Are we talking drowning? strangulation? neck breaking? Or just general ravaging?

thegriffon Tue 26-Feb-13 12:59:11

Exit - you've got a Good Dog not a BD smile. My lab would never give up anything remotely edible he's found, and he does seem to have a knack for finding stuff, e.g. rotting duck excavated from river mud this morning. He parades in front of me with it, woofs if I try to grab it, or him, then manages to stay just out of reach while he eats the lot.

No idea gym - like all good spaniels he doesn't cause any real harm, except of course by keeping hold of them when they are alive. His first encounter with a Canada Goose was in a farm yard when he was a puppy - the goose could not fly so just played dead and pupply as too small to pick it up.

In the most recent incident the goose was already injured, hence why it was seperated from the flock (on the wrong side of a swamp and two barbed wire fences) and could not fly. BD normally ignores flocks of geese, but he set off for this one with great determination, jumping two barbed wire fences and swimming a swamp so he knew it was vulnerable. It couldn't fly but flapped away from him and he caught it, gathered it up in his mouth and carried it to me. Strangely, although he has never been trained, he does react to the command 'Dead' as used in the field, and dropped the goose. It was not dead but on the wrong side of a fence from me so I had no choice but to leave it to its fate. I suppose it died from general ravaging, but not immediately. Days later I returned past the field and could see the body near the swamp, so it had managed to get up and move after we left.

I always imagine that they die from shock.

I console myself with the fact that the goose was never going to be able to fly and would have met its end one way or another, but I do feel hideous guilt. And I speak as someone who has rescued three racing pigeons and various mammals.

BD now generally ignores ducks and only goes into the canal or river if there are Canada Geese. I am wondering what he will move onto next.

Floralnomad Tue 26-Feb-13 13:06:14

gym with my BD and birds I think they die of shock whilst being shaken and generally ravaged , apparently shaking something by the neck whilst banging its head on the ground is the preferred method here. He's still trying to get hold of a cat to see if the same approach will work with them .

Thankfully, Jas is scared of most big birds. He has caught two of my chickens though. Neither was injured, although if I hadn't intervened they would have died of shock. He was merrily lobbing them up in the air and then fetching them again. He got his arse pecked by a swan last summer, and that has somewhat put him off waterfowl. Cats kick his arse as well.

Mine definitely needs his arse kicking by something.

A couple of summers ago we were on the south coast and he leapt into the sea in pursuit of a swan. He was determinedly paddling after it, not realising that 35 of its mates had appeared round the corner and were swimming close behind him. Oh what a shock he had when he glanced back to check where I was grin. I was really worried that they might attack him, but he beat a hasty reatreat.

gymmummy64 Tue 26-Feb-13 13:37:39

Exit perhaps cormorants? pelicans?

Oh dear it does sound as if there's a whole world of waterfowl experiences waiting for me. I've largely avoided water since October because of the absconding risk <bitter experience> but Gymdog hadn't really got focussed on water birds back then. He was more at a squirrel stage..

However, he's now highly interested. Moorhens seem to get him going the most but he heard a couple of geese flying overhead last week and was transfixed. I'm just hoping his ability lags behind his interest, he's no spaniel after all.

<tries hard to lose mental image of dog banging head of cat repeatedly on ground>

gymmummy64 Tue 26-Feb-13 13:39:00

Exit I have to confess to feeling a certain admiration for your spaniel..

Pandemoniaa Tue 26-Feb-13 14:16:15

Can I join? Only while my BD is much improved (age seems to have induced sloth) he was an Utter Git at his worst. He's a JRT who behaved very well (if noisily) until teenage hit. At which point he discovered hunting and developed selective hearing. The three hours spent on open downland in the freezing cold, pelting rain and pitch dark while he "hunted" round a series of bushes is burnt into the memory. As is the day that he suddenly decided to go rabbiting in a nature reserve, wouldn't be caught and then disappeared from view only to emerge on a mercifully quiet road where he walked up someone's garden path and invited himself in. After a pleasant sleep on their sofa, shamefully, he was collected by the Dog Warden. Oh, and the time he walked himself into a well known card shop where they gave him biscuits. The day that our neighbour insisted on introducing him to their chickens didn't end well either.

I did huge amounts of recall training but terriers are rarely interested in food if the alternative is hours spent under a hedge hunting for invisible prey. For some long time he was walked on a lead and even now (at nearly 8) I don't trust him in open country although he's fine in town. He's very good with children and other dogs too but completely untrustworthy with sofa cushions. For some reason they have to be rogered within an inch of their lives.

I'm now about to rehome a beautiful Collie X/Blue Heeler pup. I am probably bonkers.

Floralnomad Tue 26-Feb-13 14:20:15

I'm not sure mine will ever meet an animal or bird that he doesn't think he can take on ,the only thing that scares him is vacuum cleaners ( of any size or shape) . At least he is good with people .

We avoid all water from May to October because of baby stuff, and also because waterfowl moult their flight feathers after their chicks have fledged so cannot fly for a couple of weeks, which I learnt to my cost a few years ago.

<covers BD's ears so that he doesn't get wind of sneaking admiration>

Yes, we avoid nesting season. Just to be sure. Tricky when you have a water loving spaniel, but necessary.

Twattybollocks Tue 26-Feb-13 22:28:42

Please can I join bastard dog club?
Mine has an annoying habit of bin raiding. Not the kitchen bin, that would be annoying. The nappy bin! She also delights in removing and ripping up soiled sanitary towels and tissues used to blow noses all over my bedroom floor. This is gross beyond all grossness and I can't seem to stop her. The bathroom bin has a lid but she's worked out how to get into it, same with the nappy bin, and will even rip open scented nappy bags to get her fix.

foolonthehill Tue 26-Feb-13 22:32:06

yeugh...too clever for her own good....perhaps one of these is necessary (could never see the point of them before!)www.tommeetippee.co.uk/product/nappy-disposal-system/

Twattybollocks Tue 26-Feb-13 22:48:15

Ha ha ha I have the angelcare version of that, it takes me 5 minutes to open it let alone the dog. Nonetheless she gets in it! She seems to knock it over and stand on it and it opens in the middle. Then she rips open the bag and shreds the nappies all over the nursery floor. And then takes one back to her crate in our room and shreds it on her bed in there. My bedroom now smells of shitty nappy.

nogoodusernamesleft Tue 26-Feb-13 22:52:36

Oh my. This is definitely the thread for me!

I have a BD, he is a Mastiff Staffy Cross who is approx 4 years old (going by teeth). My elderly staff died the summer before last, and I was devastated. Swore I wouldn't get another dog, then Valhalla linked to a picture of a dog who needed a home on this very board roughly around Christmas 2011.

He was in rescue, he was believed to have been used for fighting, then he had been set on fire and abandoned and tied to some railings. hmm. I was completely in love when I saw his picture, and thought "oh I've had a rescue Staffy before, how hard can it be?"

Picked him up Valentines Day 2012 so he has been with us a year now - BD is probably the best description I can think of for him!

He is MASSIVELY dog aggressive, I tried to take him to specific classes designed for aggressive dogs, but he is so strong and so bad tempered when he sees another dog that I was getting into a complete state every time we went. I'm now resigned to him never coming off the lead, harness, muzzle etc, but I hate how people look at him when we're walking.

He eats anything he can get his teeth on, coat hangers, washing, bed sheets, bottle, you name it! I guess this is probably because he's not getting enough exercise to wear him out and he's probably bored.

BUT... he is the softest, stupidest, most loving dog I've ever known. He loves to cuddle more than anything and thinks he's a lap dog. His idea of heaven is to sleep under our quilt in between the two of us! I've not seen any aggression towards people at all in the year that we've had him, which surprises me given his previous ill treatment. But still a BD!!

Blimey, that got long, think I must have needed to get that off my chest! So can I join the BD gang? grin

gymmummy64 Tue 26-Feb-13 23:10:53

oh nogood how lovely that you've given your BD such a brilliant home. What an horrific history

I'm sure I can speak for chickens when I say you;re absolutely in! And maybe we can learn a lot from you? Tell us more..

Meh. A bad day. Recall gone to pot and a reaction to another dog running up to sniff him while he was in a down waiting for the ball to be thrown. Disheartening. Sigh.

Floralnomad Thu 14-Mar-13 18:41:21

Never mind chickens , one step forward and two back !

Too true, Floral. It's just....blah <eats chips in the bath>

Floralnomad Thu 14-Mar-13 19:26:57

I'd like to say that mine ( touching lots of wood) has been really good of late and I've even started letting him off in some new places . Now I've said it he will probably let me down tomorrow !

Hello, old thread. How I love thee <strokes thread>

Things have been good lately. We've even met dogs off lead in the woods and had a polite sniff before carrying on our way. He did hump his mate's head a few weeks ago, but that seemed more out of confusion than malice. Of course, I cocked up today. I let him off at our usual spot, even though DS said there was a lady with a dog coming behind us. Jas ran ahead, happily rummaging. The other dog was then released from its lead and rocketed past us and approached Jas. Jas turned around, froze, then chased it jumping at its face and making lots of noise. The other dog was squealing and crying, which was bloody awful, and returned to its owner. I called Jas back and apologised. The owner was fine about it, and the dog wasn't hurt. Lovely black cocker sad So, I know this was my fault. I should have told the other owner Jas wasn't friendly and leaded him, thus avoiding the whole situation. Bugger <eyes gin longingly>

Floralnomad Wed 17-Apr-13 12:42:28

Don't stress these things happen . I just had mine out in the local nature reserve so on his extender lead to stop him eating the wildlife and we met a lady with 2 off lead border collies . She called one of them back to her and it sat whilst she waved treats at it and then just as we were going past on the fairly narrow path it lunged at poor Floraldog with its teeth bared . Such a shame as she'd tried really hard ,poor Floraldog was just shocked and poor woman apologised and then proceeded to tell the dog that it wouldn't be getting its treat !

BastardDog Wed 17-Apr-13 14:44:03

Oh hello. A thread named after me (goes on ego trip).

My name came about because of my first dog who was a bastard. He was a Patterdale / Lakeland cross that ate the plaster off my walls, the frames from the doors, the table legs and more. He was also an escape artist and almost killed my husband one holiday in Scotland when he jumped out of the car and headed into the mountains with my unfit dh giving chase. The dog introduced himself whenever we went to a house he'd not been to before by peeing against the fireplace or poohing under the table. His many misdemeanours are too many to mention, but I loved him so much and was devastated when he died last year.

I then had a Collie puppy which was mad and hyper. Sadly he developed a neurological problem soon after we had him and was PTS at only 5 months old. sad

We now have a rescue Patterdale who was picked up as a stray. He's about 2. He's lovely in most respects, apart from anything to do with food. He scavenges, begs and steals if given the chance, but I guess that's understandable given his history.

Lucyellensmum95 Wed 17-Apr-13 15:03:45

I have two bastard dogs smile for different reasons

Bastard 1: No recall whatsoever, is 10" high and will take on all comers (well no, thats not true, he is fussy - he likes most dogs actually but will randomly attack others).

Bastard 2: Thinks he owns the house - sleeps in our bed, moans at us if we disturb him, eats everything, constantly down the bin, eaten - my glasses, two phone charges, the lap top cable!, my bed!! other random stuff - the good thing is, DD less likely to leave her toys around. Will growl and whine at us when HE thinks its bedtime and we have to go to bed with him.

3kids2cats2dogs Wed 24-Apr-13 23:09:34

love this thread I have 2 Rescue BD

BD 1 jack Russell
BD age 19 months with us 1 year
BD behaviour barks at dogs, barks at cats, barks at people, barks at birds barks at the wind, barks at himself in the window, barks at things in the garden that are not there

BD 2 Rottweiler
BD age 13 months with us 4 weeks
BD behaviour thinks everything is his to eat totally believes he is a cat and even though he weighs 48kg manages to jump on the work top sending everything flying off just so he can sit and watch BD 1 barking at the things in the garden that are not there
sits when he wants to
lays down when he wants to
comes back when he wants to
unless sausages are involved
other than that they are a delight!!!...

3kids2cats2dogs Thu 25-Apr-13 08:07:49

oh and BD 2 has a liking for bras, even ones being worn at the time now down to one rather grey looking white one sad and spends most of my day looking like something nf the cover of national geographic magazine!!! just love my BD's smile

Oh, hello! I'm new here, so still finding wonderful threads like these smile

BD breed: Weimaraner
BD age: 6 years
BD behaviour: Barking when it's feeding time, barking when I arrive home from work (thought dogs were supposed to recognise their owners footsteps, eh?), retrieving any smelly food wrappings from the bin and relocating them on the stairs, taking up half the sofa, and emitting smelly farts.
BD training attempts: He's got his bronze award, but wont get his silver till he can walk in a straight line on a lead, a seemingly impossible task.
Frequency of BD incidents: Twice a day, min.

Redeeming features: He's gorgeous, and loves a snuggle.

moogalicious Sat 27-Apr-13 22:43:57

Another newby happy to find other BD's who hate visitors

BD breed: collie/staffie x
BD age: 17 months
BD behaviour: REALLY hates visitors, steals other dogs balls, recall intermittent (usually at it's worst when I need to get somewhere), hates puppies
BD training attempts: currently trying him on a house line when we have visitors, seems to be working so far...

I just want my life back - dinner parties, people round for coffee <cries into wine>

Allfurcoatandnoknickers Sun 28-Apr-13 14:59:26

My lovely BD was being unusually good yesterday in the woods. Unbeknown to me there were two large horses right behind us. Cue gnashing of teeth and ludicrous attempts to eat horses tails. My dh heroically rugby tackled BD whilst I put the puppy on the lead. BD escaped, whilst dh flailed around on the floor into the path of said horses....
Why oh why do terriers feel the need to pretend they are ferocious bears??

VivaLeBeaver Tue 30-Apr-13 11:22:32

Hello, just found this thread.

I got a bastard dog last weekend. Six months old, totally unsocialised.

Attacks me, Dh and the cats, other people and dogs. Howls most of the night. Growls and snarls at everything in the house from the kettle, boxes, reflections.

He is besotted with dd though and plays beautifully with her.

We're seeing a behaviourist on Thursday.

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