We are not very popular. Advice please.

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chipstick10 Tue 15-Jan-13 18:49:54

I need some advice as this is new to me. My darling old dog died last June, he had been with us for 15yrs. He wasn't keen on other dogs and was always happy playing with us or just sniffing around in the park.
We now have a new rescue dog and he is the complete opposite and is very sociable. He is still a puppy and loves rough and tumble. In the park I know he is the dog other owners dread seeing. He play fights all the time. He never growls or barks and just pins dogs down and play bites their ears. Some owners are really happy with this and tell me it is nice to see the dogs playing but I know other owners are less happy. They tut and tell me to keep him on a lead. One woman the other morning pushed him away with her walking stick. I absolutely dread going to the park now, every day is a nightmare. Am I over reacting? What is the eticate I have no idea?
I think perhaps I should keep him on a lead but another part of me thinks why the hell should I. Trouble is once he's in play he doesn't recall very easily.

Grunzlewheek Tue 15-Jan-13 18:57:03

Maybe keep him on the lead unless you know the owner of the dog he is playing with doesn't mind ? I only say that because someone once kicked one of my dogs for going near his dog. angry

How about finding a puppy socialisation class you can take him to, then he can play with other dogs his age ?

Floralnomad Tue 15-Jan-13 19:16:59

I'm sorry but I'm with the walking stick woman . My dog is quite anti social , when he's off lead with his ball he wants to be left alone and despite all the puppy socialising / training classes he is unable to 'play' with other dogs. I get really pissed off when other people think its ok for their little darlings to 'harass ' him and spoil his walk ! I think you do need to keep him on a lead unless you have checked with the other owners and I'm sure most times people will say they don't mind and just occasionally you'll meet someone like me!

Does he get particularly over-excited when he plays? Do people think he's aggressive? Otherwise I can't really understand why they wouldn't want their dog to play - it will tire both dogs out! Recall off a distraction - like other dogs - is pretty advanced stuff, really. Are you attending a training class where you can start working towards that?

Alternatively, bring him to my house. My boy will play with him!

BoneyEm1972 Tue 15-Jan-13 19:35:27

I've got a nutty dog that sounds just like yours !! smile

Most people are fine with my loony but some aren't so for that reason I have gone back to introducing her to other dogs with her on a lead

We are going to training classes but it is sloooooow going sad

I love seeing her playing with other dogs though so it is a tough choice. What actually decided it for me was my lunatic ran up in her usual numpty fashion towards two greyhounds who could outrun her. This threw her completely so she ran off into the car park to escape them, despite me calling her sad very worrying. Therefore leads on for a while yet until she greets other dogs calmly

Roll on the end of the teenage years !! grin

rubyrubyruby Tue 15-Jan-13 19:40:23

I hope he doesn't do this to dogs on leads

My dog is like Floralnomad's. He is only really interested in playing ball, and he will ignore other dogs unless they refuse to leave him alone. Then he will chase them off with a lot of noise. This is because he is actually quite fearful of bouncy, over enthusiastic dogs. I think you need to get the recall nailed and step up the training. Your dog shouldn't be allowed to approach other dogs/people unless you give him permission. Otherwise he could end up getting hurt or you could end up in a confrontation with another dog walker. I am very tolerant of pups/new owners, btw, as long as the owner makes a real effort to recall their dog and doesn't then get arsey if my dog gobs off about it all. How about getting a long line? Then you could let him have a fair bit of freedom but also reel him in if he gets over excited.

Marne Tue 15-Jan-13 19:52:26

Your dog sounds just like my staffie bitch, she loves to play and will pin other dogs down, i now keep her on a lead (after she almost tripped an old lady over whilst trying to play with her yorkshire terrior, i was mortified). We have an extendable lead for when we are in the field so she gets to have a bit of a run).

We got another pup yesterday and my Staffie is not wanting to play at all sad, i'm suprised as she loves playing with adult dogs, she gets quite cross when the pup tries to chase her.

Can you arrange for him to spend time with other dogs where it is a bit more controlled so he can learn some doggy manners? Maybe puppy class, or with friends dogs. Sounds like he needs to realise that not all other dogs like to play in the same way.

Or can you take high value treats or toy with you so he comes back more easily?

I had to tell a man to put his bouncy dog on a lead not long ago as she was jumping up a my dogs and badgering them constantly, I could see one of my dogs especially become upset by it and I was worried that my older one would snap and possibly bite the other dog. Maybe until hes calmed a bit it might be better to keep him on a lead until hes properly socialised.

TwoFacedCows Tue 15-Jan-13 20:04:36

It is a shame that you feel like that.

We have become friends with a puppy and his owner. it is great because my well behaved boys are teaching the pup good manners. His recall is excellent, because he copies my older boys. If the pup and another dog are play fighting and it gets too rough ( like all pups can ) my older dog will tell them off and will get between them until they calm down!

What kind of dog is he? where are you?

Porkster Tue 15-Jan-13 20:08:30

I think you need to keep your new dog on a lead until he learns his park etiquette.

We have a newish young dog, who loves nothing more than wrestling with his 'cousins' (family members' dogs), but he doesn't ever try it when out on a walk.

I would be very unhappy if a strange dog tried this with mine, because it's really quite hard to gauge what is playing and what is aggression in these circumstances.

TwoFacedCows Tue 15-Jan-13 20:09:21

I am very laid back. I believe that pups need to learn from other dogs, they need to be told off every so often so that they learn what is acceptable.

I think that unless a dog is very aggressive, then the pup should be allow to approach, and if he gets told off by an older dog who doesn't want to play, then that is a learning curve for it!

chipstick10 Tue 15-Jan-13 20:22:41

Thanks to all for your replies. I feel quite deflated by the whole thing. We have had the dog since August and I feel I've made a real hash of things by walking him off leash so soon. I must say its going to be hard to try taking him to the park now after he is so used to being free. I will try it tomoz.

rubyrubyruby Tue 15-Jan-13 20:38:11

You just need to work on the recall.

Can you use an extending lead for a while?

Porkster Tue 15-Jan-13 20:43:26

But, Chipstick, you've done nothing wrong! The teaching is to let them off as soon as you start taking them out.

My saving grace was that our dog met a few boisterous, aggressive dogs which had made him a bit wary ( a couple made him yelp)- otherwise he'd be wanting to wrestle and play with every dog he meets.

It's still early days. I think focussing on perfect recall really helps. I had so much great advice on here about this and I have finally (he's 2 in March) reached the point where I can whistle and he'll fly back to me 99% of the time, no matter how much 'fun' he's having.

digerd Tue 15-Jan-13 21:00:41

I have a new 2 year-old who was living in the house with several others and she was the smallest. I have had her a week now, and found she is very nervous of stangers and strange dogs. But lovely with me. As she is very small, she doesn't need a lot of exercise, and I have space to walk her at the back of me where no other dogs can get to. At her age, I shall not be walking her where other larger dogs are running free as would be too traumatic for her. She is a quiet very well-behaved and loving dog - just what I wanted. She does not want to chase a ball, just be walked and cuddled and fed. She is not afraid of cats, strangely, and they are slightly taller than her.

Bubblegum78 Tue 15-Jan-13 21:04:40

My Daisy Doodle is like this, we have to keep her on a lead unless we check with other owners.

Shame you don't live near me, Daisy could do with a playmate!

RedwingWinter Tue 15-Jan-13 21:05:51

I am very relaxed about other dogs coming up to play, but if you see another dog on a lead then you have to remember there might be a reason for it (i.e. dog not friendly). It sounds like you need to work on your recall with him, and meanwhile be proactive about keeping him away from those dogs whose owners don't like him playing with them (if you see the woman with the stick, put him on his lead right away, just temporarily). One thing about recall is that in the early days, it's much easier if you spot the exciting things first and call him back before he's already set off to investigate them.

As a young pup, he won't have worked out his manners yet, and it sounds like he's being rather rude to some of the other dogs. He does need to learn so it's great that you are socializing, but the other dog owners have to be okay with it too.

Don't be disheartened - setbacks are a normal part of training a dog and we've all got embarrassing stories of when we got it wrong. The thing is just to keep working on it. Then before you know it you have a really good dog.

chipstick10 Tue 15-Jan-13 21:10:13

Thanks porkster. When I think of how far we have come. He didn't do cuddles or kisses or any responding much apart from sit and paw when we first got him. Recall was a no no but nowdays he will come after a few stern shouts of his name. I will practice recall for sure.
I am sure my dog is not aggressive.

Ilovemydogandmydoglovesme Tue 15-Jan-13 21:29:50

Who was it who had to tell another dog walker to keep his dog away from hers, as hers was on a lead, and when the man said his dog was ok she said but hers wasn't and would kill his given the chance? Or have I dreamt that?

Anyway. Don't let your dog learn the hard way not to go for other dogs. They might not be very friendly! My dog ran up to a pair of collies that we pretty much bumped into round a corner of a hedge and before the poor lady could recall them they went for my dog and if I hadn't had him on the lead and literally pulled him back and picked him up they'd have had him.

I have one like this too. I recall her immediately if I see a dog on a lead and ask the owners if she can approach once I have control of her. For dogs off lead they will generally match her play or tell her off (she's good at doggy language) but if she does get too full on and won't recall then I wade straight in and get her.

If he won't recall once starting to play (which mine does not do well) then can you recall before you approach other dogs and keep him with you until you can ask the owner whether it's ok?

chipstick10 Tue 15-Jan-13 21:55:31

Thanks everyone appreciate muchly all the good advice. It seems I really need to work on him/with him. He's lovely but yes he is rude. When we got our first report on him from battersea they said he was quite rude when meeting,other dogs (not in an aggressive way) but just a bit bold and overly excited. He doesn't have any manners really. He totally licked my glasses off my head today even when I was telling him no and to get down. (I do luffs him though). I must say I do find it a bit hard to swallow when other dogs are off lead. I can understand if they are on lead aNd my pest approaches though. But I will take all of this on board and will walk him on lead in the morning. Wish me luck he's going to hate itgrin

Floralnomad Tue 15-Jan-13 22:08:10

Can't you just find somewhere quieter to walk him off lead or go at a different time when there are less dogs . I rarely see anyone on our dog field. I feel a bit mean now about my response but TBH I think if another dog 'pinned mine down and played with his ears 'he'd be quite likely to bite and then may get bitten back and I don't see why I should keep mine on a lead as he would never approach another dog although could potentially be left looking like the aggressor !

OP, I must admit when I read your post my heart sank. One of our long term fosters is an elderly reactive dog. We've been working with a professional who has recommended BAT. We are painstakingly working on this, to gradually accustom him to seeing other dogs at a distance he feels safe at, and to build up his confidence. Guess what completely fucks it up? Off lead dogs who come charging over (owner about five miles behind, who then smiles weakly and says either "oh, he only wants to play" or "He's very friendly") angry ON LEAD dogs should be given a wide berth.

The other isssue is that the on lead dog may be ill, frail, elderly or recovering from an operation - again, it is bad manners and wholly inappropriate to go charging up all guns blazing. Imagine for a moment you were visiting an elderly relative. Would you kiss them gently or immediately wrestle them to the floor in a playful rugby tackle? This is the same.

On lead walks are still great fun - you can do lots of different games and training while you are out, vary speed, DH likes to run with ours in a kind of mad interval training - it really doesn't need to be boring.

Good luck smile

Floralnomad, I think we have the same dog. My dog loves to run for his ball, and I walk him mainly off lead (high energy dog, needs to run). I do my best to avoid bouncy dogs, and am working with him much as Scuttlebutter describes. I don't lead him as soon as I see another dog as if he was bothered on lead his reaction would be intensified due to fear and being unable to get away. I tend to ask owners to call their dog back if I see one start thundering towards us.

chipstick10 Tue 15-Jan-13 22:19:48

Just to add I am very aware of my dog and I am not the dog walker who says "he's just being friendly" . I am paranoid and will from the get go say "no" the second he approaches a dog weather they want him to or not.

Floralnomad Tue 15-Jan-13 22:23:07

Chickens Mine is a Battersea rescue Patterdale X who we got at 14/15 weeks , I just think he missed the socialising bit early despite what we tried to do when we got him. He is completely ball obsessed to the point that he is not allowed them in the house as he drives you mad ,which makes them even more important when he's out! I've read lots of your threads with interest as they do sound very alike but I think you probably worry about what people think of you more than I do !

zonedout Tue 15-Jan-13 22:26:02

While I do sympathise with the owners of friendly but 'exuberant' young dogs, I agree totally with what scuttlebutter said. I have an almost 15 year old dog. She is very slow, frail and stiff but still enjoys a short walk in the park and a few sniffs. I keep her on a lead as she has a lot of 'senior moments' whereby she seems to forget where she is and what she is doing. I really really struggle with her getting harassed by young, crazy dogs. By the same token, some years ago she was very vicisiously attacked by another dog in our local park, requiring surgery. This happened in front of my ds1 (who has SN) leaving him absolutely terrified of other dogs sad. Nothing frightens him more than a boisterous, out of control pup. I would, however, like to re iterate that I am a huge dog lover, having had dogs all of my adult life so I also sympathise with and understand your predicament and really hope things resolve for you and your pup (which I'm sure they will, given time) smile

zonedout Tue 15-Jan-13 22:28:57

blush not sure I was very clear in my post, it is my ds who is now terrified of all dogs but our own and also the dog that attacked our dog was not a young, boisterous pup but an adult dog.

I do, Floral. Bloody anxiety. Jas isn't allowed balls at all unless we're training or on a walk. Even then, the ABOA is the 'big gun' used only as a reward or distraction. It works quite well, as now when he sees another dog in the field he comes back to me waiting for the ball. He's even got to 'know' a couple of bomb proof dogs and will play alongside them fetching the ball, but he has no interest in actually playing with them. Although today was interesting, as he was chasing the ABOA and his fuzzy friend was chasing his own ball. They would both run for each ball, but Jas left the other ball if he got to it first and vice versa. It's the first time I have seen him choose to interact even slightly with another dog and was almost like acknowledgement.

Floralnomad Tue 15-Jan-13 22:50:52

We do walk with one other dog sometimes but she is equally antisocial , doesn't chase his ball and they co exist at 6' apart!

Zonedout - I understand completely. Last year we lost our very much loved darling elderly girl. By the end, her eyesight was failing, she had arthritis, was frail, and then she had a stroke, but was still walking, and enjoying peaceful potters. She had become quite reactive - understandably - after one too many encounters with cannonball Labradors whose owners seem to think that recall is an optional extra. sad We often hear about the socialisation needs of pups, but we also need to remember the needs of dogs at the other end of the age spectrum.

Sorry to hear your DS is frightened of dogs. sad

Hi Chipstick - so sympathise with you here. Our lovely boy is v bouncy and playful with other dogs - and big. So it's a question of management - he doesn't need to be on lead the whole time. Here's what I do:

I try to walk him at quiet times in the park or go to places that are quieter.

His recall is excellent except when he is playing so prevention is the key. I keep an eye out at all times for other dogs.

I call him away from other dogs who are on lead.

I put him on lead if I see other smaller dogs.

If he is playing (with the other owner's permission) and he gets OTT, I don't use the recall word but say no v firmly. I try and grab him and he goes back on lead. This is tricky but the OTT behaviour is getting better.

Our trainer said don't try and recall when he is playing - I agree. it devalues the command so the key is prevention.

I do lots of distraction or training when there are other dogs around - he's food obsessed so that helps.

Stick with the dogs that you know the owners are OK with the play. It is often a question of guaging the owners comfort zone. I know one owner who really hates lurchers "lurchers always steal other dogs sticks", but whose dog always comes running over to play. I avoid him.

We're getting there - the biggest problem now is other dogs running over to us and then their owners getting miffed about OTT play.

Sorry so long, but really empathise. you'll get there

chipstick10 Wed 16-Jan-13 08:28:19

Thanks paddy
Reading your bullet points here I do actually follow a lot of them. I try to avoid going at times and places when other dogs are around. I keep an eye out constantly for other dogs.
I call him away from dogs on leads
Trouble is he is part greyhound and so can out run most so I have no chance.

OwlLady Wed 16-Jan-13 09:17:46

I tend to work on the etiquette that if a dog approaching you is on a lead you put yours on a lead too. If it's off and your is off happily then you can leave him/her off. It has always worked for me smile

Floralnomad Wed 16-Jan-13 09:34:49

But with respect owllady that is the issue ,just because my dog is off lead it doesn't give other dogs the right to jump all over him , my off lead dog would simply walk past another dog because he doesn't want to play so why should he be forced to . My dog is off lead having his exercise ,he is not a plaything for other people's dogs!

Gomez Wed 16-Jan-13 09:35:33

Aye me too owl lady. Does remind me of a rather interesting encounter however. Huge Alsatian coming towards us on lead, so I stick my working cocker spaniel on her lead. Say hello to owner usual chat. Note that seeing as she was holding lead quite tight, dog straining a bit that we would move on.

At which point horse sized dog gets out of slip lead and lands on top of our dog and has a nip!

Owner than adds she's not sure what she is like with other dogs (or presumably people/small children as my friend and I are moving the 5 small children out the way) as she just rescued her that day...

There was no real harm down but it did reinforce my dogs fear when on ahead which now manifests itself in much noise if an other dog gets too close when she is on the lead.

Gomez Wed 16-Jan-13 09:36:07

Doh - on a lead. No ahead.

Gomez Wed 16-Jan-13 09:38:27

But Flora my dog off lead won't approach another dog either she is too busy doing her thing.

But if the dog approaching is on their lead I assume it is for a reason and so will reciprocate.

OwlLady Wed 16-Jan-13 09:38:29

why don't you put him on a lead then when you see another dog? I do find if you do that the other dog owner usually will put theirs on a lead.

My older one is a quite a shy sensible dog and if off lead she walks past any dogs that try and play with her and gives them the look confused

Sorry if I have completely misunderstood what you mean but I have only read a few posts regarding on/off lead and old ladies with walking sticks

OwlLady Wed 16-Jan-13 09:40:54

the putting them on/off a lead is signal to other dog owners I have always found

I know it sounds simplistic, but if you don't want bounding dogs near your dog put them on a lead and 9 times out of 10 the other person will too. I do realise sometimes this doesn't happen and it depends how busy the place you are walking is

I agree with Floral (unsurprisingly). Tbh, I think most people are really good at 'reading' both the dog and the owner. They notice if you do an about turn and start moving off in another direction, and they distract their dog from approaching yours. If that doesn't work, most will apologise and remove their dog if mine starts panicking. If they seem oblivious (thankfully reasonably rare), I ask them politely to recall their dog as mine is nervous. Most people are fine about it, apologise and fetch their dog. Occasionally I meet someone who despite all of the above, thinks their dog should be allowed to bounce on my dog's head. My dog will then jump at the other dog, mouth at their face and make a lot of noise. I try not to automatically apologise, and they generally don't let it happen again. The issue for me is that every time we have a negative encounter, it sets back our training which is a pain in the arse. I don't walk my dog in a park, though, or take him to environments where dog 'play' would be expected.

Floralnomad Wed 16-Jan-13 09:46:43

If my dog is playing ball and minding his own business I think the onus is on the person with the dog that wants to play to remove it , if they don't then I move my dog on to another part of the field . I'd be mightily pissed off if the other dog then followed us . I may well be in the wrong here ( I don't actually care) but IMO my dog has a good recall and doesn't approach other dogs so its the person who's dog wants to play and won't respond to being recalled that should be taken away by its owner . I've no problem with them being off lead just take them away if they are a nuisance to other people . I'm not suggesting that the dogs should never be off lead as has been shown in my previous posts.

Floralnomad Wed 16-Jan-13 09:47:33

Thanks chickens , I'm beginning to feel like a minority here!

Problem with that OwlLady is that you don't always get time, and putting your dog on a lead won't help if the other owner can't recall. You end up with a scared dog, on lead, unable to escape the off lead dog bouncing on them. I think that there would be more chance of aggro in that situation, tbh. If a dog runs up to mine to say hello, he will just avoid them. Dogs with manners take this as a sign and leave him alone, but obviously young dogs who have yet to learn their manners carry on regardless. That's why I tend to walk away while distracting my dog rather than automatically lead him.

OwlLady Wed 16-Jan-13 09:50:17

grin @ dogs with manners!

I tend to think dogs with poor recall shouldn't be off the lead yet in very busy situations confused but maybe I am shy and sensible too

It is hard, the recall thing. Because they have to be off lead to learn, and sometimes you think they have learned and the buggers show you up. I remember vividly being stood in a field as Jasper hightailed it over the horizon towards a football match. No point yelling, the wind was howling and he wouldn't have heard me. And he really loves balls. I ran/hobbled/wheezed my way across the field to find him sat in the middle of the field lying across the football. Luckily, the players hought it was funny and no harm done, but I grovelled and apologised like mad. Everyone slips up sometimes, no one is a perfect owner, I just think that everyone should be responsible for their own dogs behaviour. You can't expect other people to be tolerant, although of course it's lovely when they are. For the record I am always understanding and polite when a boisterous dog gets away from its owner as long as the owner gives a shit. I only get narky when they don't seem to care that my dog is now cowering and shaking between my legs.

OwlLady Wed 16-Jan-13 09:57:55

I know, I do agree with you

Christ, I sometimes think that people have stronger opinions about dog ownership than they do about parenting grin

Gomez Wed 16-Jan-13 09:58:11

I think maybe the amount of space / circumstance matters. So in a park, limited space dog walking circuit I would put my dogs lead on if the dog approaching in on theirs, or move in another direction or do something to prevent the dogs walking past each other.

In a field no, out in the country I probably don't. Generally cause she won't approach other dogs and when there is space she darts around hunting imaginary rabbits so few dogs actually bother her/can catch her.

But really dogs are all different and sometimes it will work and other times it won't. Mose people are doing their best. There is a poor woman around here who has a vicious to other dogs terrier thing she has spend years trying to sort it out. Now just walks on a long lead and warns you not to come close.

Floralnomad Wed 16-Jan-13 10:11:00

Where I walk ,which is a quiet local field / trim trail , there is a man who walks a Chow on a lead and I just tell my dog to leave him and he simply walks past , I don't feel that I need to go as far as putting mine on a lead. I agree with chickens that no one is perfect and as long as people try to remove their dog then that's fine ,its the owners that are nowhere in sight or simply can't see the problem that I take issue with. Equally whilst I'm on my soapbox I get mightily cross with people who's dogs take my dogs ball and then they can't get the dog back to get my ball back. Also whilst I'm busy outing myself I'm also cross with the woman who told me not to throw my ball because if her dog got it she wouldn't be able to get it back ! Bloody dog owners !

mistlethrush Wed 16-Jan-13 10:13:42

I am aware that there are some dog trainers who work with their own dogs and their client's dog to get the client's dog to understand a bit more about doggy language and etiquette - if you could find something like this that you could get to it would be well worth it, because your dog needs to learn what the signs are for a dog saying 'stay away, I don't want to play' compared with 'play with me'.

I've just recently got a rescue - and she's just learning. She got roundly told off by a collie the other day for chasing him whilst he was going after a ball - she wanted to play with him, he wanted to get the ball - she got told off in no uncertain terms. She backed off, and all was fine - lesson learned.

I was in the field the other day with my dog and a couple of friends' dogs. All was fine, the dogs were all pootling, mainly ignoring each other. Then, shattering the silence, came Knob Man. He had his dog on lead and was storming towards us in a right fury. He bellowed that his dog was dog aggressive, so we needed to put all of our dogs on leads. We all did this hmm at him, and my friend politely enquired why he was storming towards a group of dogs happily snuffling under hedges instead of, you know, avoiding them. Well, he puffed up his chest and went in to one about how his dog had the right to exercise too and the world didn't revolve around us. He totally didn't get the irony and was quite pissed off when we started laughing. His dog was stood next to him the entire time, seemingly relaxed, ignoring the other dogs as they ignored it. Bonkers. He eventually stalked off after giving us the hairy eyeball for a minute. This is a large field, btw, holding four football pitches.

Dunno why I told that story, as it isn't really relevent. Ahem. I was just musing on the madness that is dog ownership <slinks away>

chipstick10 Wed 16-Jan-13 11:23:50

Dd has taken the dog to the fields today where there are hardly any other dogs. My dog needs a good run and I couldn't face walking him on a lead today. But I might get myself a whistle and try some extra training in the garden. If I can get him back quickly then I will be more able to get a lead on him when the need arises and I will feel in more control. I am not a couldn't care less dog owner. I am acutely aware of others and dog walking has become less and less enjoyable.

digerd Wed 16-Jan-13 13:10:18

Chickens
I liked your post, and showed how that puffed up chested worst type of male human is the problem and NOT the dogs.

digerd Wed 16-Jan-13 13:11:47

Ps.
Same applies if it had been a human female btw

Chipsticks, one of the things you might find helpful is to contact your local greyhound rescue. We regularly use a field rented by a local greyhound group which is secure and has high fences - this means we can let our four dogs off the lead and they can have a wonderful hour of off lead play/zoomies etc with absolutely no worries about the local Yorkshire terrier convention coming round the corner at us grin It also allows us to practice our recall in a distraction free zone (well, that's the theory anyway). We also go to Sighthound Playgroup regularly which might be nice for your pup - lots of lovely off lead frolics in an indoor riding school. It's fantastic to see them all playing together and doing high speed Wall of Death!

groovejet Wed 16-Jan-13 14:29:37

I used to be the one with the dog other owners dread, Flynn was a terror at recall and I used to get a crick in my neck from constantly looking around for dogs on leads so I could spot them before he did. This is despite him having perfect recall at dog training.

It got better, started to meet other dog owners who were happy for the dogs to play together, in this situation I made sure I worked on recall so I could recall him back from exciting situations.

Now walking is far more enjoyable, he has really improved, he now sits and watches other dogs to pick up their signals, me knowing that his recall is now good I am more relaxed and he picks up on that.

He still does have his moments, border collies are his downfall he loves them.

There are loads of tips on here if you search, on how to improve recall and make it more exciting and that has been the key for us I am now (usually) more exciting than other dogs making Flynn want to come back to me -a kong tennis ball helps on this!!

zonedout Wed 16-Jan-13 14:32:49

Thank you scuttlebutter and I'm so sorry about your darling girl. I must say as much as I feel blessed that my doggy has made it to such a ripe old age (she had a very aggressive cancer when she was young) I am finding it really hard watching and waiting and knowing that it won't be long until her quality of life is no longer good enough. I can't imagine her still going by the Summer sad I haven't been without a dog for 20 years and she has been the most wonderful girl.

As for my ds, taking him on dog walks are now horribly fraught. I am such a massive dog lover and I am devastated that he is so fearful. By the same token I am not surprised as the attack on our dog was pretty awful. Her ear and face/head were absolutely savaged and ears bleed a lot so what he witnessed was pretty traumatic sad

Sorry OP, I seem to have done a bit of a hijack blush

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