Chug dogs - any experience?

(45 Posts)
myflabberisgasted Fri 28-Dec-12 14:17:02

Hi,

We are thinking of adding a chug puppy to our family.

I have researched as much as I can and I wondered if anyone had any experience of living with chugs and any tips / advice I would need to know?

We have a 2.5 year old DS and I have read that they are a family friendly breed.

Any advice would be brilliant.

Thanks smile

D0oinMeCleanin Fri 28-Dec-12 14:22:01

Chug? Is one of those new 'designer' mongrels dogs?

My advise would be don't. I can't stand that people actually pay extortionate amounts of money for what is essentially a mutt because someone has given them a stupid name.

The fact that people are willing to pay means that the 'breeders' are able to continue making a profit from abusing and exploiting their pets.

Further advise would be puppies and toddlers don't mix well.

GrimmaTheNome Fri 28-Dec-12 14:28:14

Is a 'chug' a chihuahau-pug crossbreed?

Bloody hell - just googled and after the images (cute, to be sure) the next two hits are 'preloved' and 'pets4homes'. A little lower down gumtree. Maybe you get similar for proper breeds too nowaday, just made me shocksad .

Anyway, first advice as ever is to be careful where you get any dog from.

scrumpkin Fri 28-Dec-12 14:29:27

I'm sure they're very cute but you can get a mixed breed dog from a rescue and they can be just as cute. smile

clam Fri 28-Dec-12 14:36:27

I would research possible health issues first.

clam Fri 28-Dec-12 14:37:43

Also, I ought to warn you that the only recommendation for a dog you'll get on here is for a rescue staffie or greyhound.

myflabberisgasted Fri 28-Dec-12 15:25:55

Yes a chug is a cross between a pug and a Chihuahua.

The reason I looked into this breed is because they are a small dog which would be ideal for our family life.

I have looked into the rescue dog side but I am a bit weary of bringing a dog that may have had issues and will turn on my DS, that makes me very nervous.

I wouldn't look into a rescue greyhound as a greyhound killed my cat last year and they can be vicious.

I understand that people wouldn't necessarily like my choice of dog but I think it would be the best fit for my family and I just wondered if anybody had one for advice before I made the big step of getting a dog, I want to make sure I am doing the right thing.

D0oinMeCleanin Fri 28-Dec-12 15:33:06

Greyhounds aren't viscous. They have a high prey drive. That's very normal in lots of breeds of dogs, it does not make them dangerous to people.

Not all rescue dogs have issues or have had a problematic past or unknown history.

Pugs have very expensive health issues because of bad breeding and should have health tests prior to mating. No one responsible enough to do this would cross breed their prized pedigree dog. Chugs, Doodles etc. are the puppy farmers dream. Chihuahuas have a tendency to be snappy and ill tempered if they are not trained properly.

The chances you will end up with a healthy pup with a good temperament are negligible. There is a far bigger chance that you'd end up with a pup from a puppy farmer, which would have a massive risk of having health or behavioural issues because of poor breeding and early socialisation.

A whippet or an IG pup would better. They are small, relatively healthy easy going dogs. An older, proven rescue dog would be the best choice.

I think unfortunately, by saying you wish to buy a 'designer puppy' (and thereby line the pockets of unscrupulous puppy farmers) it is impossible for you 'to be doing the right thing'.
Doing the right thing and buying from a puppy farmer are mutually exclusive.

However, this time of year you will find lots of puppies and young dogs in rescues. A reputable rescue centre will match you up with the correct pup for your family and will provide you with support and back-up once you get your pup home.
That is not something a chug breeder will provide.

Oh yes, and greyhounds are not vicious. They have a high prey drive (as most dogs) and are unfortunately a bit faster than most dogs. Which means that they are more likely to catch the cat than the dopey labrador. But both are equal in 'vicious' stakes.

myflabberisgasted Fri 28-Dec-12 15:40:40

Thank you for your advice d0ing I didn't realise that cross breeding pedigrees was bad for the dogs.

I am aware that pugs can have some breathing difficulties but my friend has a pug and has never had any problems with her 8 year old dog so I thought it could just be one of those things that some dogs could have and some couldn't.

What is an IG pup out of interest?

D0oinMeCleanin Fri 28-Dec-12 15:44:47

Italian Greyhound. They look like tiny, mini greyhounds and behave like cats.

It is what I believe my Whippy dog is crossed with and she is lovely, but I still maintain that she is not a dog.

My parents looked after her a while back. My mum got up to use the loo to find my Dad cradling an upside down Whippy in his arms whilst stroking her face and making soothing noises at her. She though he'd lost his marbles until she rang me and I explained that she will have manipulated herself into that position and that she likes being sung to sleep <this is when I remind everyone that she is not my dog, she is dd1's>

myflabberisgasted Fri 28-Dec-12 15:45:17

Ok I take back my comment about greyhounds but after the way they killed our cat (more the owners fault than the dog) I just can't bring myself round to liking them.

I might wait a few months then and go to a rescue shelter to get a pup once some people have got fed up of the newness of a dog after Christmas.

I didn't realise these breeders were called puppy farmers and it was bad for the dogs, I wouldn't want to be involved with something like that <naive emotion>

Sorry of I caused anyone offence by posting this'

MothershipG Fri 28-Dec-12 15:47:48

I have nothing against crossbreeds but I am against puppy farming and the trouble is that's where most of these crosses come from, and they are getting increasingly sophisticated. So you'll go to someone's house where they'll tell you it's their family pet and how loved they are and I guarantee you they're just the front for a puppy farm and in a week or 2 they'll be spinning the same line to the next person who fancies a cross. sad

So if you can find a breeder who can prove that they have done all the health checks on both the dam and sire and is reluctant to home to a family with a toddler (possibly inexperienced?) family then I'll eat my hat you might be able to convince me that they are not a front for a farm or back yard breeder.

If someone is at home most of the day you can get small breed rescue puppies, have you looked at Many Tears?

myflabberisgasted Fri 28-Dec-12 15:48:46

grin Haha I like the sound of your dog d0ing

Do they take a lot of walking, training etc?

myflabberisgasted Fri 28-Dec-12 15:53:07

Can someone please explain to me what a puppy farm is? Do they mistreat the dogs?

Alot of the breeders I have looked at say they are KC registered and that the dogs have had vaccinations and health checks.

D0oinMeCleanin Fri 28-Dec-12 15:53:48

20 minutes twice a day is enough. They were bred as lapdogs so they aren't the brightest match in the box, but they can be trained if you have the patience. Whippy hasn't been and it's not an issue. All she does is sleep, cuddle and eat anyway. She escaped a few days ago, ran to the green opposite our house and then sat there looking confused and bewildered until dd1 rescued her and brought her back inside.

They will walk longer if you want them to, but they don't need more and they don't 'do' bad weather. They don't shed much and don't smell as 'doggy' as other dogs but if you don't like cats, an IG is not for you. They are very cat like.

AgathaHoHoHo Fri 28-Dec-12 15:57:58

Surely all dogs take a lot of training, in as much as training has to be consistent and lifelong to maintain good behaviour?

What is it about the pug/chihuahua cross that appeals to you? If posters knew what it was that you actually wanted, perhaps someone could suggest something suitable that is less likely to be the result of puppy farming/indiscriminate breeding.

D0oinMeCleanin Fri 28-Dec-12 15:59:01

A puppy farmer is a volume breeder. They breed as their main source of income and view the dogs as earning potential rather than sentient beings to be loved and cared for.

They rarely health test their dogs and they are often left without essential veterinary care. The adult dogs are bred from repeatedly, a lot of the time they are literally bred to death. They go without human interaction for most of their lives and are usually kept in less than sanitary conditions, making toilet training their off spring hard.

They often use 'front' homes as in they pay a normal family to take in the puppies and pretend they were bred in their home and the bitch is their family pet. When you take on a puppy farmed dog, you won't get to see the reality, only what the puppy farmer wants you to see.

You cannot KC register a cross breed, anyone who tells you they have are lying.

myflabberisgasted Fri 28-Dec-12 16:00:07

D0ing I do like cats and I we currently have a cat so I will look into that breed for more information.

kitsmummy Fri 28-Dec-12 16:03:50

Here you go, I have found you a pugalier, which would be a better cross than one involving a chi on Many Tears site (rescue) and if you'd been asking last week they had a pug x shitzu x cavalier litter of rescues on there too

myflabberisgasted Fri 28-Dec-12 16:04:20

agatha ideally I would like a family friendly dog, that is good with children.
I work 3 days a week but my DSis and DFIL live 5 minutes away so they would be able to pop in on my days at work to make sure the dog is ok.

I would like a small dog like a pug / chihuahua which is when I was researching the pug breed I found out about chugs.

We have a big garden for the dog to be able to run around in on my days at work and then a quick walk in the evening when I get back, then on my days off I will be able to apes more time walking them.

myflabberisgasted Fri 28-Dec-12 16:07:21

I am also aware that a dog no matter what breed would take a lot of training and time and I am willing to spend that time to make sure I have a healthy and happy dog.

We have been thinking of getting a dog for about a year now and I want to make sure I am doing the right thing.

My DH has grown up with dogs all his life and has wanted one for a while but the majority of the work would be down to me which is why we are compromising on a small dog.

myflabberisgasted Fri 28-Dec-12 16:10:29

Wow thank you D0ing I had absolutely no idea any of that went off, I feel terrible now the poor poor dogs.

myflabberisgasted Fri 28-Dec-12 16:14:53

Oh kitsmummy that pugalier harry is so cute.
I will look on the many tears website now at rescue dogs instead, the puppy farming people have turned my stomach!

I will contact them about Harry he looks ideal the poor dog.

Lilyloo Fri 28-Dec-12 16:38:16

Any reputable rescue will find you a dog to suit your family. We picked up our 9 week old pup yesterday, he is lovely.
He has had his injections, health check and is booked in for neutering already, we also had a homecheck.
I would thoroughly recommend using a rescue, the support from them is great our last dog was a great family pet for 10 years.
A chug is essentially a cross breed why line the pockets of a puppy breeder.

Cuebill Fri 28-Dec-12 16:46:59

Pug numerous health problems - which are not watered down by breeding with a chihuahua
Chihuahua's hard to toilet train, generally not good around children can be snappy and guard people. Need to have experienced owners who use positive training methods to prevent the little dogs turning into major behavioural problems

A really bad choice as a family pet with young children.

LadyTurmoil Fri 28-Dec-12 17:06:01

There are several Westies and Bichon Frises on the Many Tears website. My brother has a Bichon/poodle cross from a puppy and she is a very, very good-natured dog, really sweet. That kind of dog needs clipping by a groomer every 6-8 weeks so you need to think about that expense. Cavaliers are also meant to be very good family dogs...try googling some local rescue centres as well. It is sometimes hard to find something other than staffie type breeds but you might be lucky! Avoid all gumtree/preloved type sites because you will have no comeback if the puppy turns out to have serious health issues. There are also rescues like www.romaniaanimalaid.co.uk/ who rescue dogs and bring them to UK (for around £300 which is sometimes a lot less than you'd pay for a so-called "designer" crossbreed.

LadyTurmoil Fri 28-Dec-12 17:08:35

Forgot to mention that you'd be much better off waiting until March/April esp. if you get a puppy. Housetraining will be a lot easier when weather is warmer as you will be spending a lot of time outside (!) and you have a 2.5 y/o at home with you.

LadyTurmoil Fri 28-Dec-12 17:12:26

What about www.manytearsrescue.org/display_mtar_dog.php?id=5686 He's not a puppy (a huge plus in my opinion!) and sounds absolutely lovely. I know puppies are hard to resist and they're so cute but they are hard, hard work - something you might want to think about if you work and have a young child...

Can I lower the tone? The thread title reminded me of a guy I went to school with who got caught masturbating his dog. He was known thereafter as chug-a-dug. (Glasgow: dug = dog)

As you were.

bamboobutton Fri 28-Dec-12 17:23:06

for the love of god, do not get a pug cross!

My dsis and her dh have spent thousands, actual thousands, on their pug due to collapsed breathing bits, she has a hole in her throat with a flesh tunnel, the same people have in their ears, to keep her throat open so she can breathe. she collapses all the time and my dsis has to hold her throat open!
they had to travel to newmarket to see a specialist vet as the surgery was so complicated. None of it was covered by insurance as the insurer's won't cover congenital problems.

This was a pug that came from a supposedly reputable breeder, god knows what one from a backyard breeder will have wrong with it!

There is a chug near us that's quite snappy and a labradoodle that is fab.

What makes me laugh though is a couple of years ago these dogs were mongrels were the female had "been caught" and sold cheaply.

Now they can be more expensive than the pedigrees.

LadyTurmoil Fri 28-Dec-12 17:40:26

grin agent!!!

pugoff Fri 28-Dec-12 19:25:26

hi, we have pugs and thought I'd add my experience. yes some have issues but ours are very healthy, can (and need to) walk for long times a few times a day and are very active.

Beware, a pug cross is not the easy option, neither are pugs. mine are wonderful, loving but there was no guarantee what they are like personality wise. Nothing can guarantee that - our two are totally different to each other but same breed, both boys, similar age. they need company and a lot of attention, are stubborn and tough to toilet train. they get walked up to 4 times a day (to tire out and make them go to loo). a big garden is great but unless you plan on standing in it and playing with them - forget it. they will only want to be back inside if that is where you are. Fun in Dec / Jan!

in short, I wanted to share my thoughts as people think of pugs and pug crosses as easy, low maintenance options which is far from true. they are characterful but full of beans. add all this to a cross of a highly stressed small yappy dog. sounds to me like you haven't researched either breed properly. they are also not good mix with cats due to delicate eyes which could be scratched.

if you are sure a chug (pug or other 'ug') is for you, a puppy will take over your life for at least a year so maybe an older (toilet trained) dog which can be assessed personality wise would be worth considering. let me know if you have any other specific questions. ooh and their insurance payment a month is extortionate but necessary.

sorry if it sounds negative, don't get me wrong my boys are my life and best things ever. but boy did I think this would be easier looking back.confused

PartridgeInASpicyPearTree Fri 28-Dec-12 20:07:19

I don't think a chi mix is a good idea if you are looking for a family friendly dog. Yes they are small but they are highly strung and can be very snappy. With a cross breed in terms of temperament you may get predominantly the traits from one parent or the other, or anything in between. No reputable breeder with a pedigree pug or chi from good lines would agree to breed a cross litter from it. Also, please don't assume that small means low exercise requirement. Many small breeds would not be okay with one short walk the days you work. Running about their own garden doesn't stimulate them like a walk with new sights and smells. Some will have no interest in running around outside alone.

It's great that you are now considering a rescue dog, but if not do be really careful of puppy farmers as they can put on quite sophisticated fronts. You should expect to have to go on a waiting list and pass an interview for a pup from a reputable breeder. Plus parents should have appropriate health screening for the genetic illnesses in that breed, not just a generic they look okay health check from the vet.

With a puppy farm, not only may the pup have health and socialisation issues, the brood bitches suffer terrible cruelty. I have one and she is an absolute darling but immensely fearful. Her early life must have been utter misery and she is still suffering the effects, all to make someone a profit. I suspect many decent dog loving folk bought her pups not realising there was a beautiful dog being abused behind the scenes.

myflabberisgasted Fri 28-Dec-12 20:35:50

Wow thank you all for your honest advice and pugoff you last post has really made me change my mid to be honest.
I did think of a pug / pug cross as an easy option for a dog ie small and I thought they needed less walking because of breathing difficulties but I am glad you have told me the truh now!

I think I might wait a while longer before considering a dog. Until my DS is a lot older at least.

I can only thank you! smile

countrykitten Fri 28-Dec-12 21:26:19

I have two dogs from MT - they are fabulous! Both rescue cockers who were used for breeding in puppy farms (have two springers too!). If you could have seen the state they came to me in it would have broken your heart. Puppy farmers are bastards and everyone should know that buying from ads on Preloved etc is a quick way to keep their 'businesses' going. Depressing.

pugoff Sat 29-Dec-12 07:05:37

flabber - really glad you're thinking so hard. part of the hard work is because mine are so young. therefore have oodles of energy, into everything, lots of training and reminding, walking. with an older rescue (even a dog at 2 yes old would make a difference) this would cut initial workload down somewhat and the organisation would be able to match to your needs easier.

One of mine is easy going, likes napping but is a barker and naughty when being walked. The other is naughty at home, full of energy, screaming banshee when he doesn't get his own way and we haven't totally cracked toilet training at 1 yr old ( tho so nearly there). I'm lucky as altho they are much harder work than I thought, I'm at home nearly every day with fields opposite me and a reliable dog walker (and a patient understanding husband blush ). Turns out they really are like kids...

pugoff Sat 29-Dec-12 07:08:11

p.s. love the look of McKenzie in the Many Tears link above. what a sweetie....

my husband would divorce me tho. but oh so cute...

kitsmummy Sat 29-Dec-12 08:24:01

Just to add to what everyone else has said above, buying a designer cross breed is not always the road to happiness, and most definitely it's not a happy life for the bitches they repeatedly breed from.

I have a pug x french bulldog (pics on profile) who I bought (£500!!!) from Wales, on an old farm. At the time, I was very naive about the whole puppy farm thing and thought you always bought pups from the papers, or from websites (pets 4 homes was the one I went by). I look back now and I'm sure it was a puppy farm (once I'd paid for her, someone opened a back door and I could hear loads of dogs barking in the background!).

I was stupid and naive. Betty is a lovely dog at home, but she does have massive socialisation issues, despite going to puppy classes, being socialised by me and going to doggy day care once a week. I suspect she hadn't been socialised at all for the first 9 weeks of her life and that has made its mark. She's now seeing a behaviourist in the new year. Luckily she doesn't seem to have any particular health issues (apart from an over shot jaw but that doesn't impede her eating).

We also have a 6 month old rescue puppy from the Many Tears rescue that I linked to upthread. She's a crazy boxer/terrier cross with a beard and she has the most wonderful temperament and none of the issues that Betty does. I love them both but Esther (the rescue) is much easier a dog than Betty.

myflabberisgasted Sat 29-Dec-12 08:47:37

I really would like a dog but I was very naive thinking a little dog would be easy.

I think I will wait until my DS is in school and settled so i have more time to spend on the dog before I even begin to start thinking again!
And I will definitely not go the puppy farm route at all and will go to a rescue centre and get an older dog already toilet trained!

I didn't even know dogs had to be socialised and go to doggy day care or anything like that! shock

countrykitten Sat 29-Dec-12 10:19:02

Good for you - this sounds like a great plan. Best of luck with finding a perfect canine for your family when the time is right.

myflabberisgasted Sat 29-Dec-12 12:02:20

Thank you countrykitchen and thank you everyone else for your honest advice!

GrimmaTheNome Sat 29-Dec-12 15:03:17

>I didn't even know dogs had to be socialised and go to doggy day care or anything like that!

Doggy daycare isn't an essential grin - but socialisation is - they need to relate properly to both humans and to other dogs.

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